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Quoteworthy:
“I have nothing to say, he was better than me that night and now I have to go back to my training and work hard to get this belt. There are a lot of thing in my camp that was a mistake. Now I see the mistakes that I did and I’ll fix them and won’t let it happen again. St. Pierre is a great fighter, fought very well, but I couldn’t find myself in the fight. I learned a lot with this fight, I saw what the best fighter in the world has at his best, seen the best of the best fighter and I know I can beat him…. The only problem that I had in my preparation for this fight is that I wasn’t with my Muay Thai coach, with whom I train for the last three years. He had to go away three months ago and I missed him a lot. I felt out of timing in the fight…. My cardio was good, I was strong, but my timing wasn’t good.”
Former number one welterweight contender Thiago Alves talks about what went wrong during his five-round unanimous decision loss to 170-pound kingpin Georges St. Pierre at UFC 100. “The Pitbull” — who still feels he can defeat “Rush” despite the lopsided drubbing — makes no mention of “weighty issues” having any impact on his performance. Instead, he reveals that his striking, which is clearly the most dynamic aspect of his game, was what failed him because his instructor was out of town for the final three months of training. Regardless, Alves will have to get back in line and work his way up the welterweight ladder for another crack at the unstoppable Canadian. Who’s next? His next fight is still up in the air, but perhaps you want to play matchmaker in the comments section below — Jon Fitch, Marcus Davis, Dan Hardy … what showdown do you want to see?
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Alves is a shark, Hardy is fairly humble so i think he should fight a lesser guy than Alves. Davis on the other hand thinks he is ‘all that’, mix him up with Alves. I wanna see Hardy take on some one like Kos or Rumble – maybe even Serra.
I think Marcus Davis and Matt Serra would make for a great match up. Dan Hardy vs Anthony Johnson would be a great match up of up and comers. Both are capable of ending the fight. I wouldn’t know who to give the edge to. LETS SEE IT!
GSP, Alves and Fitch are head and shoulders above any WW in the UFC. Below that you have about 12 guys who are really good, but not good enough.
Give GSP some time off and let the WW division grow a little.
Fitch vs Swick (b/s teammates aside) to see if swick is for real, Alves vs anyone (lets see a sweeeeeeat knockout)!!!
Alves may be able to win if he gets some wrestling skills.
GSP too good right now.
Bill Simmons on Lesnar:
Q: I watched UFC 100 and was thoroughly entertained. A pretty great night for the UFC, methinks. Then I read all over the Internet that what Brock Lesnar did after his match was unacceptable, unprofessional, etc. Really? It was unacceptable? This is the freaking UFC, not the PGA Tour! Who do they think they are fooling? Can I get you, Sports Guy, to give everyone an official “settle down” on this issue with Lesnar?
– Tony N., Minneapolis
SG: Well, this was the same card in which Dan Henderson coldcocked Michael Bisping and gave him a flying elbow three seconds later for good measure, then later told reporters the elbow was to “shut him up a little bit.” What possible line could Lesnar have crossed after that? I appreciate the honesty of the UFC guys — unlike boxing, if someone trash-talks you in the weeks leading up the fight, you don’t just shrug it off right after the fight like it was “part of the promotion” or some crap. There’s a code of honor to it. You talk crap about me, fine. But I WILL make you pay, and after it’s over, I’m not going to just shrug it off and forget what you did. Isn’t real life a little like that?
Besides, I have been pushing for real athletes to embrace a “heel” character for years. Why not? Bill Laimbeer made a career out of it. He wasn’t out there to make friends. He didn’t play by the rules. His opponents hated him. Well, do you remember watching him? I sure do. He was great. He made the league more fun, even as you wished for one of his ACLs to split like an atom. Lesnar wasn’t winning that UFC 100 crowd over, he didn’t care, and he had fun with it. He ended up turning the night into “The Last Night Frank Mir was a Decent-Looking Guy” and positioned himself as the single biggest “sports bad guy” since Mike Tyson. I loved it. And if you didn’t feel the same way? Then SETTLE DOWN!
Ive been wanting to see Serra-Alves for a while now.
Wonder how much MMA Simmons actually watches. It is simply a difference of opinion across the board about brock’s comments and Henderson’s “late” elbow. I will say he knows nothing about the “code of honor” as he puts it. Normally, one can trash talk all they want, and after the fight, all is forgiven. It is quite rare to see guys truly carry a grudge after the winner is announced.
yeah, the last one I can really remember prior to the Brock fight is Junie Browning vs Cole Miller. Miller still said he had a beef with Junie after the fight was over. And you guys know what, Cole yelled at Browning and taunted him after the win as well and no body really had any complaints after that, other than Miller being thin skinned. And Nate Diaz flipped off the crowd durring his submission victory over Kurt Pelligrino. Agian people didn’t have much objection to that, in fact Joe Rogan loved it, but he seemed fairly entertained by Lesner’s antics as well. It’s just the fact that it’s Brock Lesner in UFC 100 that makes this such a hot button. Brock just aggrivates a lot of people what ever he does. Were his antics unproffessional and disrespectful? yes. But were they extremely uncommon? No.
You make valid points DB, and had listed some incidents I had completely forgotten about. Perhaps I’m used to ones like Hughes/Serra or Shamrock/Tito, where when it was over….it was over. Unfortunately, Brock casting himself as the heel makes a big difference in the ‘ol public opinion. It does (with me as well I guess) depend on whether you like/dislike one of the combatants as to how much we critique afterwards. I would like to think that one of my favorites behaved in such a way, they would would drop a few notches in book (Leben dropped OFF my fave list after that idi*t took ‘roids).
I’m typing like a idiot nowadays, leaving words out all over the d@mn place….figures I would do this after critiquing someone on an earlier thread.
well cole miller is a biatch and he made himself look stupid for sure with what he did, and so did nate diaz, and so did brock, all unprofessional acts from these clowns… however, brock is the champion, and has a way bigger following and fan base… thats the difference i guarentee you WAY more people were watching the lesnar fight then nate diaz and cole miller fights
Bill Simmons knows as much about MMA as he does fashion. I don’t know why sports writers try to pretend that they actually know something about sports they know nothing about.
Diceman-
Truth.
Its actually simple. Scratch the Carlos Condit vs. Lytle fight and book a Muy Tai WAR between Alves vs. Condit!
I’ll give the advantage to Anthony Johnson in any fight he’s in!
all the ufc 170lb division has 1 thing in common..
jt money would knock them all out..
that’s the truth WAR JT MONEY
hahaha. He actually hasn’t done too bad lately. He has won his last 6 fights. Finished 5 of them. Four by rear naked choke. His most notable win was against Drew Fickett.
i know i follow him.. i’m probably his number1 fan and will ride this war wagon all the way even after he re-signs with the ufc and gets kicked out again..
honestly those fights were against cans fickett was good but that’s about it
WAR JT MONEY!!!!!!
Ya I was pretty impressed by the fact that he beat Fickett.
Granted Fickett has been on a skid lately, and I am not sure if anyone saw the weigh in pics (for the Fickett vs JT Money fight) but Fickett looked like shit.
hahaha agreed. I check up on the guys that get kicked out of the UFC from time to time. War Machine being one of them as well. I think JT’s last fight was against a guy making his MMA debut.
who cares man, he beat matt major and matt major doesn’t lose to noone cause matt major can yell real loud and pick on people half his size.. remember him from the tapout show season 1? he lived in his gym in san jose haha
WAR JT MONEY!!!!!! or cocoa the monkey either one works ;]
he is the answer to all mma problems he’ll shutup a prick like brock lesnar, and make jokes the entire time
I can’t say I was a fan of JTMoney, but I didn’t mind the guy, he was just a meathead. I recently found out that he wrestled at the same junior college I did… haha so I do follow his progess and think he’ll eventually be in the UFC if he can just keep working on his weaknesses.
WOW, what a fucking pic!!!!!
Agreed. Great work by the photographer on that one!
how scary is it that GSP keeps getting better? He ran through Alves who was a monster compared to GSP. Alves is a tough kid and showed great heart and a ton of class in defeat. Thats what the spirit of MMA is. Skill vs. skill. Take a lesson Brock.
if I were alves I’d learn takedown defense rather then class in defeat
come on enough with the excuses, you got beat yeah you need to train harder or do something different, but dont make excuses
oh yeah forgot to mention doesn’t matter what you do you wont beat GSP
For real! Enough with the excuses. I think GSP played a big part in Alves not feeling himself. It wasnt your Muay Thai coach, it was GSP that took your timing!
“I saw what the best fighter in the world has at his best” GSP had a pulled groin for half the fight for christs sake! lol
agree with all of the above. and with what’s below.
I don’t even think we saw the “best” GSP in this fight. Even in his injured state, GSP easily controlled the whole fight. Guaranteed GSP had more in the throttle.
Is anyone else losing a little respect for Alves? 2 days ago it was the weight cut, now it’s the coaches fault for leaving, I mean if the fight was close I could understand but he didn’t win a round, infact he didn’t even get close to use his Muay Thai at all…
shut up with the losing respect crap! Same crap was said about GSp after he lost to Serra, making up a million different excuses why, but Golden BOy, st Pierre has his cock jammed so far down your throats that YOU all forgot already!
Fact of the matter is, these fighters are getting interviewed constantly by different reporters, that ask them the same questions over and over again, so Different answers will be given from time to time. No need to lose respect for a fighter over it!
DAMN!!!!
jeez get your panties in a bunch there jonny? gsp has never made a single excuse for any of his losses… and alves saying “I saw what the best fighter in the world has at his best” is just ignorant, the guy had a pulled groin for cyring out loud
Indeed. All he’s saying is that he thinks he could beat him. He knows GSP beat him fair and square but knows he can improve. He’s not even making excuses. He’s talking more about holes in his training that he can improve next time.
kobajack the silly thing about your statement is gsp beat him at half strenght, and he is way more athletic, stronger, faster, more reach than alves, gsp is going to improve at a much faster rate than alves, so no trex armed alves will never beat gsp, the gap will just keep growing, and if they fight again gsp will beat him even worse
The stupid thing about your analytical skills is that you think I agree with Alves. Who the f-ck said I think he could beat GSP? I don’t think he can. But form his perspective of course he thinks he can.
Read it properly next time. I repeat, all I was saying is that form his perspective he’s gonna believe in himself that if he had another opportunity he would have a chance. Just because I am understanding where he’s coming from doesn’t mean I agree with him. Fukkin hell.
kobajack: u will learn that you cant say anything about gSP around here without people twisting your words around to sound like you are bashing GSP. Hell, Gsp is one of my favorite fighters in the sport, and I get bashed cause I bet against him in his last two fights which were the only times i ever bet against him in my life.
Im so sick of people bashing fighters and LOSING respect for fighters over a few words that they say. Certain fighters rub me the wrong way when they talk crap, like Mir…but I judge fighters first and foremost on a) HOW GOOD THEY ARE AT FIGHTING. b) How entertaining they are as fighters….all that other stuff is just EXTRA. UFC ppv’s arent cheap, I just want to see good and entertaining fighters. I dont like a lot of things that come out of fighters mouths but I chose to judge them on their fighting capabilities not how they answer a few questions.
Not a GSP FAN dont know what you are talking about? Alves just has to say he beat me fair and square
My coach wasn’t here
weight cut was too much
whatever…..
i know who can beat GSP….chuck norris
I agree, he’s saying that he could, which is great. Problem is his actions proved he got completely schooled by GSP. Talk is cheap Thiago!
exactly alves is a moron, reason you lost wasnt because of your standup, its that gsp took you doen at will. 10 times i believe
Hm so if he could have timed his shots better and took GSP out of his element, or if he could have thrown some nice knees that connected when GSP went for the takedown it wouldn’t have made a difference? See how easy of a concept it is to understand when you take a moment to think about it?
Problem is, Thiago could never setup a knee. GSP was timing the takedowns when Thiago would overcommit himself. No chance for a knee. And I dont recall GSP just blindly going for a takedown unless Alves was doing something offensively.
And what kind of friggen coach leaves during his fighters biggest moment? Classy.
The problem is Thiago, as you go back to your preferred coach and get your timing …. GSP is evolving even more. It has nothing to do with what you are going to do, the fight will always depend on GSP’s game plan. He is just that good.
Next match up: Fitch v Alves 2.
Fitch vs Alves 2 sounds like a good fight. Winner faces Mike Swick. Does anyone know who Anthony Johnson faces next? I forgot. I still want to see him throw down with Matt Brown.
He’s supposedly fighting that japanese guy who Koscheck KO’d.
Yoshi Yoshida or whatever his name is. That lizard from Mario Kart.
dayamn talk about a freakshow fight!
Oh yeah I think I remember hearing that he’d be fighting Zenko.
Personally, he should be fighting someone better. I’m not so much interested in that match-up now.
Not that I don’t like Yoshi, but Rumble’s gotta face a higher-ranked fighter.
That’s what I would like to see as well.
lol nice pic there buddy. Jeez GSP hits hard seems like alves got hit with a bat.
how many ko’s does he have? gsp is one of my favorites, but he doesn’t have powerful strikes. he controls and grinds them down.
i think its too soon for alves vs fitch. hardy vs alves is too one sided, alves would crush him. Maybe the loser of swick vs kampmann can fight alves.
You are dreaming mate. Fitch would finish him the same way GSP did.
Thiago Alves is and has been my favorite fighter for a while. I really thought he was going to win, but GSP just completely out wrestled him. He even out striked him. However i know Thiago can do so much better than what he did. He didnt look as crisp as he usualy does, his cardio was great though.
I still think he is the only fighter at this time that can beat GSP. He definitely did better than GSP’s recent competition. I think Koscheck is the only guy whos done better than Thiago with GSP.
Right know i really want to see Thiago rematch with Jon Fitch. He has a loss to him but i think he has evolved enough to beat him. Plus for some reason Fitch has to fight anyone who beat Koscheck so he can go ahead and try to beat the Pitbull.
KOS only looked decent because GSP was tentative. It was his first fight back after losing to Serra.
jrv you problably bellieve in the tooth fairy also, what could alves do different next time? gsp is stronger, faster, more athletic, with 6 inches of reach. he will continue to evolve way faster than alves. gsps wrestling will allways ensure that if alves is too agressive he will be taken down, that gives gsp the advantage striking and on the ground. alves will never win a round of gsp. hE IS just a more muscular bj penn with no ground game
it’s clear from this pic that Thiago is a demon. Or vampire. They always come out in photos like this.
good observation, reminds me of the black chick on the devils advocate
I think GSP should start fighting middleweight fighters. Just like Anderson Silva is fighting lightheavyweight contenders. GSP vs Michael Bisping? That would be interesting.
look what happens to michael when he fights wrestlers hes get his ass kicked but i guess if he made it the distance the judges might give him another win like in the hamill fight
george st ortiz,sorry george st pierre is miles in front of anyone in that division.i dont know about him fighting a.silva though.could anyone say hand on heart that gsp would even beat henderson,franklin(i know hes moved up),maia,marquadt(same camp i know just an example).
Well thats the thing. Before throwing him in with a guy like Anderson Silva, he should compete against other middleweight fighters. Everyone keeps talking about Silva fighting GSP. Lets see how he can do against other middleweight fighters. Problem is, his fight against Silva would likely be at a catchweight. So his fights against other middleweight competitors would have to be as well. Unless GSP went for Silvas title.
what about gsp/bisping in manchester november?i think gsp is ready to start training in september?that will give him 8/9 weeks to prepare and bisping even though he started his career at lhw isnt exactly a big mw.it would be massive over here but if bisping did lose its massively detrimental to his career!
Agreed. Thats what I was thinking about was UFC 105.
silva probably isn’t going to cut much more weight than he does now.
Yes I could say GSP could beat Franklin.I could also say that Hendo is a much tougher fight for GSP than Silva. GSP will take Silva down at will, but he won’t have that big advantage against Hendo.
Thats true. Hendo would be a really bad match up for GSP.
gsp is too good thiago ur timing was bad cuz he is 2 good.
I like how before the fight he said I’m in the best shape of my life and I trained hard.
Now he’s like my timing is off and my Muay Thai coach went away for 3 months. Oh brother please stop with the excuses.
Everyone says they can beat GSP but when they get in that cage its a whole another story.
What fighter is going to expose his weakness before the fight?
Reporter: How has your training been for this fight, Thiago?
Thiago: Well my striking is a little bit off. I am hoping that this doesn’t effect me. My left knee is injured too so I am hoping that he stays away from that area. Everything else is pretty good though. I am very thankful for this shitle tot.
Since first serra fight GSP’s striking has been damn near flawless. Earlier in his career his footwork was really fancy but now its a lot more realistic couse he has become more of a wrestler these days. i don’t think he got hit more than 5-6 times in alves fight
St Pierre destroyed you for 5 rounds. Matt Serra beat St Pierre so anyone can lose on any given night cause the better fighter doesn’t always win the fight. GSP would beat Alves 9 out of 10 times. He’s a smarter and more tactical fighter and he has more tools to beat Alvez. Only way for Alvez to beat GSP is by knockout..case closed.
He beat you up even though he could hardly stand. Get a f’n clue!
look at all this gsp nuthuggers because alves feels he can beat gsp alves is being honest
was gsp making excuses when he felt he could beat hughes in there rematch
Hughes did not dominate GSP for 5 rounds.
Hughes was getting BEAT in their first fight before the arm bar. Alves was getting BEAT before GSP hurt his leg and then still won rounds 4 and 5.
Alves is neglecting to realize that his best chance at beating GSP has already passed him by. It’s not going to get any better than an injured GSP.
i wanna see Alves vs Marcus Davis. that would be a great fight. I think Fitch beats him and Swick too. Actually a great fight would be Alves vs Condit
great match ups:
Alves vs Condit
Swick vs Hardy
Kampmann vs Fitch
Davis vs Thiago
A rematch between Fith and Alves would be sweet! Fith TKO’ed him the last time. Alves has to want to try his luck again.
Never mind that GSP took Alves down at will, and then pounded him on the ground. Alves had no takedown defense, which would likely not have been helped by Alves’ muay thai coach.
Alves needs to grow up,and accept that he has some big gaps in his game. GSP has no gaps, and excels at every phase of MMA. That’s why he’s a champ, and Alves will be a runner-up.
I just finished watching some interviews with BJ and he says that he plans on beating KenFlo then beating the next guy after that and then if GSP is still around ” lets see what goes around comes around” haha just found that hilarious.
I don’t think Dana White has the patience to put up with another fiasco like GSP/Penn II. Who can take another round of pre-fight wimp-whining from BJ about how GSP is talentless/worthless/heartless/no effort/no honor/blablablah? BJ got completely destroyed by a way better fighter, and we all know that training with Jason Guida and Justin McCully in Hilo hauling rocks underwater at the beach is no substitute for getting after each of the main MMA disciplines with real trainers who fight the best in the world. Dana’s got bigger fights to put together than that…
You mean GSP Penn III.
They’ve already fought twice.
You’re right about that- my mistake!
Thiago’s striking was on strike during the fight, sure, but having watched it twice I think that had everything to do with GSP running a superior game plan and very little to do with anything on Alves’ part.
You got out-classed, dude. It ain’t pretty, but it’s reality.
you are right WB matt finished GSP with a sub which is much worse than a decision
so alves now ha no takedown defense?
maybe it is because gsp is the best wrestler in mma bj penn has the best takedown defense in mma most likely and he got taken down
bj does not hav the best tdd, not at all.
You are right. BJ doesnt have the best takedown defense, St. Pierre does
Yeah, not the best, but he does have very good takedown defense though.
Alves lacks the reach needed.
Considering the closeness in age between him and GSP, it is amazing how far GSP has come (not a slam on Alves).
Yeah right…
EVERONE THINKS GSP IS THE BEST WRESTLER IN MMA OR THE BEST POUND FOR POUND IN THE WORLD ITHINK THAT IS WRONG HENDERSON HAS HELD TWO BELTS AT ONE TIME AND BATTLED AT THREE WEIGHT CLASS AT THE SAME POINT IN HIS CAREER NO ONE FIGHTING CURRENTLY HAS DONE THAT THE SPINDER WILL LOOSE TO FOREST BECAUSE OF FORESTS SIZE AND I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS SPIDERS BOXING DEFENCE IS BAD HE KEEPS HIS HANDS WAY TO LOW AND THAT WILL COST HIM IN HIS NEXT TWO FIGHTS SPIDER WILL LOOSE TO FOREST THEN HENDERSON WILL TAKE HIS TITLE EVERYONE FORGETS HENDERSON GOT HIS RIB BROKE WITH A KICK IN THE FIST ROUND WITH FRANKLIN AND STILL WON
no way forrest beats silva. he keeps his hands low to lure you into his web of strikes. he could keep his hands at his waist against most mma fighters because his hands are much quicker than most. did you not see the franklin fights. better yet, have you ever heard of Cassius Clay aka Muhammad Ali? he kept his hands low, and we all know how good he was as a boxer.
I’m not even reading that crap. Do you write in caps so people notice your post? Because it has the opposite affect. It looks like spam to me. I got as far as “EVERONE THINKS” and that’s it.
Yeah come on guy, no one wants to read an alcoholic rant from the Caps lock dipsh*t of the universe.
Indeed. I wish I could drag his naked corpse from a rope tied to the back of my car.
How is life in the Deep South?
LMAO Kobajack.
I’m not even a GSP fan and as soon as I saw this headline it pissed me off. He made a lot of bad decisions because GSP is a better fighter then he is. If GSP brings his gameplan in the ring against any fighter in 170 then they are all going to think that they made mistakes because GSP is good enough to take them out of their gameplan. Like BJ Penn….. just admit that you got beat by a better fighter, that was not better then you that night, but better then you right now at this point of your career.
But to be as good as he is, just like in most sports, they usually go forth with the mentality that the better opponent was “better on the day.” It’s not always a deluded perspective, it’s that they really think they have what it takes to improve. That’s not disrespectful. He’s very respectful of GSP. They even hung-out together afterward.
Of course you can beat GSP, silly.
Anything is probable.
Lets take my chances, for instance. I have a .0000000000000000000000001% chance of beating him.
Another difference between the two is like GSP said he’s not fighting to be the champ he is the champ he’s fighting to be the best pound for pound fighter, alves just wants to be “the man” as do most of gsp’s opponents the want to be champ and thats all they think about is beating the man and being the champ, which if you are the champ doesnt make you the best
I give you much props for enduring a 5 round lay and pray fest by St.Pierre as most top tier WWs have endured. Although, Greasy wanted to lay on you the whole fight you still got back to your feet and kept pressing. GSP who is a “black belt in BJJ” couldn’t even finish you. You’ll be alright.
YOU ALL TALK ABOT 170 HE REALLY SHOUD FIGHT AT 185 HENDERSON OR SILVA WOULD DESTORY HIM AND HENDERSON IS A BETTER ON THE GROUND OR ON THE FEET AND SILVA WILL LOOSE HIS NEXT TWO FIGHTS FOREST WILL BEAT THE SPIDER BECAUSE OF SIZE AND SPIDER KEEPS HIS HANDS TO LOW THAT WILL COST HIM IN HIS NEXT TWO FIGHTS
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
lmao. Nice.
I think he thinks it’s like a banner or something and his post will be more noticeable. Oh, alpha, I noticed it alright, enough to not bother reading it. In your post above I got as far as two words; in this one, I got as far as “YOU” your first word.
Alves game plan (like every one else who has faced gsp) was all wrong. The way to beat gsp is to beat him at his own game. You have to put him on his back.
Gosh…that would be easy.
How do you put the best wrestler on his back and keep him there?….and avoid the onslaught during the process of getting him there?
?????
Ain’t gonna happen.
That’s it? Put him on hs back? That’s your game plan? OK, tell me, now, how do you put one of the best guys in takedown defense on is back? That’s like telling a football team, you have to score more points if you wanna win. OK, now what?
Now you train on your wrestling and takedowns. I didn’t say it was easy but it would have been a better more effective approach to try beating gsp Imo. If you stand with him he’s gonna counter look for an opening and take you down. Now do you want me to tell you how to execute single leg takedowns? Or how about a good ol hip toss?
He needs to learn to finish.
man, suck it up…..you lost every round in that fight. blame it on what ever you want….you lost so deal with it. It pisses me off how guys like Alves cry about a loss and claim they should have…..or could have. (BJ ring a bell?) Just deal with it and know you got owned by GSP.
I hate it when a fighter does this crap- you had your chance to beat him and you didn’t. Don’t give me this next time I’d beat stuff!
it dont matter thiago. Learn all the muay thai you want gsp still took you down and thats what won him the fight. He controlled you on the ground mainly and he barely stood with you. Am i the only one who thinks this is just an excuse and its fuckin bullshit. lol just don’t like people that make excuses like that
Yeah right, it wasn’t even close- dude didn’t win a round.
I’m a GSP fan but I wouldn’t bet against Swick in the next fight, just because a psychological letdown is always possible for St. Pierre.
He’s coming off huge wins over Fitch, Penn and Alves, who were all supposed to test him. He said he trained very hard for them.
He wouldn’t have to be at the top of his game to defeat Swick, so you never know what could happen. It could be a major upset in the making, similar to his first fight against Serra, who nobody thought had a chance.
Sorry, make that Swick or Kampmann.
swick has no chance of beating GSP. stop smoking crack.
Do you honestly think that GSP will train less because he is facing the winner of the Swick/Kampmann fight? Serra won against GSP because he came with an awsome gameplan that GSP wasn’t ready for. Now, like he says, he trains like his opponant is better & trains more than he does. One of the main reasons why GSP is so good is because of his work ethics. Why would he change that now?
Trigg vs Davis
I beleive GSP will be champ for a while. While Kampmann and Swick are good, they simply aren’t in the same league as GSP, and it’ll be another fight like Anderson v. Leites.
The UFC is gonna have to find someone to test him, because right now, he has beaten the shit out of everyone in his division. Fitch, simply doesn’t have the skill set to test, Thiago is good, but obviously not good enough.
Who knows.
Ryan Hobbs, didn’t see any1 answer ur question. I dunno how to spell it, but rumble gets yoshida yoshiama or whaaaaatever. His name may as well be yoshi yoshi so we all remember. That’s if I’m not mistaking feel free to fill me in if I am. And gsp is # 1,2,&3 in ww. Every1 Dana tries to scare us into believing is a legit contender gets raped and thrown back to there cornermen swolled and scared. He’s an animal.
Wow alpha and xxbaxx are real fans. Ha ha. Just flat out tells us spider WILL lose his next 2? Umm ya good idea. And gsp needs to finish fights? He is riding a 1 fight no finish streak! Ooooo. Last I checked there wasn’t a round 5 in the Penn fight. Wow you guys are good @ this. Maybe watch the sport so you can appreciate what gsp does. Alves kept gettin up? Ya and gsp kept sitting him down with double digit slams! 10! Ha ha. And ya lay n pray? How come alves went into the fight Brazilian. and came out Chinese? Must have been all that laying and praying. Yay gsp! Boo part timers.
Yeah, their comments kinda bore me. The are probably brothers too. I have no problem with comments that are not mine, but come with something to defend it. The MUST be new & hate Non-Americans or something.
Dammit blackberry! I do all this from mine and it takes forever to update my comments section so I can kee arguing. Or else its mmamania…hmm…do you guys h8 Canadians? You trying to hold us back?
My man dan hardy should be next and he will knock gsp out
THE LAST TIME I LOOKED SILVA HAS NEVER BATTLED ANYONE WITH THE SIZE OF FOREST AND HE KEEPS HIS HANDS WAY TO LOW LIKE SAY LIKE CHUCK DOES FOREST HAS A VARY GOOD CHANCE TO BEAT SPIDER AND HENDERSON WILL TAKE THE TITLE THIS TIME IN THE FIRST FIGHT HENDERSON SHOULD HAVE BROKEN HIS NOSE WITH HARDER HAMMERFISTS ALMOST THE WHOLE FIRST ROUND I THINK HE TOOK IT EASY ON HIM IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN
Punctuation is not the work of the devil CAPSLOCK MAN!
Yikes! I thought mmamania didn’t post ppl who just use caps lock the whole time. Oh well. And ya he will have his hands full with forest but I still expect him to pick him apart. He is undefeated for a reason in the ufc. He’s top 3 in the world for a reason too. Its no surprise that gsp spider and fedor are the men to beat. There fucking incredible. Guy hit the caps lock button its to the left.
silva keeps his hands to low and this will catch up with him I hope when he fights henderson again he grabs henderson behind the head because henderson will overhand him in the ribs not his head and probably break rib causing him to drop his hands then ko him
Why are you anti spider? I don’t like his last 2 performances either but that’s not all his fault. He had a guy that didn’t wanna fight. He fought smart. And he is unsatisfied with Danas matchups. Understandable. Forest will test him. And henderson is deserved of the #1 contender @ 185. I guess I have trouble looking past my boys is all. I love hendo too. And forest I just think he is too inconsistent, for mr consistent.
I think GSP knocked this motherfuckers brain loose because he clearly isn’t talking sensibly. He wasn’t close to beating St.Pierre ONCE!!! Now he gotta get back in line and pray for another shot…sucks to be him.
Alves is completely f’n retarded to think he wants anything more to do with GSP. Dude needs to move up or to Strikeforce. GSP completely outclassed him….doesn’t belong in the same cage as him.
Being a huge GSP fan, I still disagree. Alves has skills & power that not a whole lotta cats have in the 170 lbs have. I thik he should maybe try in the 185 pounders if the weight loss it too much. Alves is a beast. GSP for President!!!
Whatever. Tom Atencio would have beat the Alves that showed at UFC 100.
I don’t know why it was hard to come up with a game plan, GSP did what GSP Does he DRY HUMPED and held down the opponent for the duration of the fight…
IF, and I do repeat IF, Trigg beats Koscheck I think he will fight Alves next. Otherwise, loser of Swick and Kampman.
I’m confused. I can’t find the excuse. Was it “I have nothing to say, he was better than me that night and now I have to go back to my training and work hard to get this belt.”? Maybe “St. Pierre is a great fighter, fought very well”? Nevermind I got it. It was the part about a striking coach being gone and his timing being off. Yeah that’s crazy talk, what a tool! Guess he would have been better off saying
http://www.ultimate-fighter.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=80585
Thought this was a very interesting radio interview with George St. Pierre. He answers some questions that we were all asking about his fight. Some interesting points:
-He said he had a knee injury, and only trained two weeks for his fight with Serra.
-If his opponent have been Matt Hughes he would have postponed the fight.
-Said that he thought he could beat Matt Serra regardless.
-He basically had no human contact until the following Monday morning, when he was already back in the gym training.
Theres some really good stuff in this interview. Everyone needs to check it out. Click on the link below and then go about halfway down the page to a link that says :”George St. Pierre with “Showdown” Joe”.
heres the link: http://www.fan590.com/features/hotaudio.jsp
Alves should step up and give some real excuses like any of these fine choices. Saying the best fighter in the world beat you fair and square and your striking couldn’t get a rhythm because your head striking coach left camp suddenly 3 months out is such a d!ck move. Everyone want him to say he will never beat GSP and stop saying he lost fair and square? Wow I hate those guys who learn from fights too. I hope GSP only hurt his groin and it wasn’t anything else, all the people hangin from your sack could screw some stuff up. YIKES! Just in case any of the “ALVESHADZEROTAKEDOWNDEFENSE” people weren’t watching I think he stuffed 5 or 6. I don’t know though maybe someone else stuffed GSP’s takedowns and thats who I’m remembering? Well if it wasn’t Alves then I’m stumped because I’m positive nobody else stuffed any. Alves, what a dick! lol
I didnt read anything past the first two posts. ( no disrespect to anyone) just to long. So dont flame if Im repeating. Im gonna say Serra is far underestimated. Granted he lost to Hughes. Witch was a huge split decision. I honestly gave it to Serra. I think hes a top guy in the division. Not number 1 contender by any means. But up there. Id love to see an Alves vs Fitch fight. Id go for Fitch for the win again. But who knows. Maybe a Kampmann v Alves fight. Or a serra vs Fitch. Just a few fights for the top guys. Hughes I dont think will ever be in contention again with the new young breed of mma. Let alone the WW div of the UFC. Its deep.
Also on a sidenote. I know Hughes has called out A. Silva before. Id be much more impressed if he dropped a class and beat a fighter than if he went up a class and beat someone. If Silva gets passed griffen then defends his title aginst Hendo. Id love to see him drop to WW and fight even someone like…..Hardy. or condit. Id be SO much more impressed. Cut the weight and still dominate.
Man so many gsp haters. Alls y’all needs to do is learns the sport to kno gsp does not dry hump, he let’s y’all barely escape with your life. Ha ha he is insane. Its actually scary how talented and above and beyond he is. Sorry I’m talking Kentucky for the newbies or non gsp fans cuz u gotta be a putz to not kno he IS MMA! Whoop whoop go pierre!
I think only man that can probably possibly beat gsp nowadays is koscheck.
Only reason for that is cus koscheck has best wrestling in ww besides gsp.
(Don’t get me wrong id say gsp can win many ways)
But if kos has chance…
Koscheck needs to go back to roots and shoot dynamic and stall out a decision, sure it would be very difficult and a boring match but its possible. I give him maybe 35% chance of that happening.
In the first fight kos chose to do stupid mistakes, and like fitch said he stopped training wrestling which was bad mistake. Who knows but to beat gsp u need world class wrestling. Not a kos fan at all but yea.
I’ll add to this mess of cup envy. First so I don’t get a lot of the “if i could only be red spandex fight shorts for a day” guys jamming me up for being delusional, I’d like to say for sure GSP won 5 rounds and kept the fight where he wanted it. I think he is the lb for lb best. The guys who pointed out it doesn’t even read like an excuse, way to read guys that’s impressive apparently. Everyone else take off the Kyokushin bandana, stop trying to read through the cup ventilation holes, and actually read what the guy says. I don’t even think any of the guys who posted before me defended Alves and got blasted, just pointed out what was actually written and said in the interview. I have no clue how “I have nothing to say, he was better than me that night and now I have to go back to my training and work hard to get this belt.” and “The only problem that I had in my preparation for this fight is that I wasn’t with my Muay Thai coach, with whom I train for the last three years. He had to go away three months ago and I missed him a lot. I felt out of timing in the fight” was taken as an excuse. Alot of guys have days they just couldn’t find a rhythm, that’s a reflection on what they did wrong not why they lost. That’s why the rest of the response from Alves he talks about learning a lot from the fight and finding a lot of things he needs to fix in training. What an excuse your head striking trainer suddenly has to leave 3 months out and your timing is a little off. I can’t believe this guy compliments GSP, never says 1 bad thing about him, and only says he needs to work on things and people are acting crazy like he is saying the complete opposite. I guess if you fight GSP don’t get interviewed after because if you answer the questions asked you might aswell act like a tool and go to court with mommy.
brendan
jeez get your panties in a bunch there jonny? gsp has never made a single excuse for any of his losses… and alves saying “I saw what the best fighter in the world has at his best” is just ignorant, the guy had a pulled groin for cyring out loud
FOR PEOPLE LIKE brenden WHO THOUGHT SERRA VS GSP2 WAS GSP’S DEBUT FIGHT, HERE IS A LITTLE TREAT. YOUR AWESOME BRO, KEEP THOSE AMAZING RESPONSES COMING. TO MAKE IT WORSE THE GUY THAT YOU RESPONDED TO ACTUALLY HAD HIS FACTS STRAIGHT. SO HERE YOU GO, ILL ALSO LET YOU KNOW THE EASTER BUNNEY DOESN’T EXIST. WE WILL GET IT ALL OUT OF THE WAY IN 1 SHOT FOR YA BRO LOL. AND HERE YOU GO…
http://www.ultimate-fighter.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=80585
Thought this was a very interesting radio interview with George St. Pierre. He answers some questions that we were all asking about his fight. Some interesting points:
-He said he had a knee injury, and only trained two weeks for his fight with Serra.
-If his opponent have been Matt Hughes he would have postponed the fight.
-Said that he thought he could beat Matt Serra regardless.
-He basically had no human contact until the following Monday morning, when he was already back in the gym training.
Theres some really good stuff in this interview. Everyone needs to check it out. Click on the link below and then go about halfway down the page to a link that says :”George St. Pierre with “Showdown” Joe”.
heres the link: http://www.fan590.com/features/hotaudio.jsp
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dtoto
kobajack the silly thing about your statement is gsp beat him at half strenght, and he is way more athletic, stronger, faster, more reach than alves, gsp is going to improve at a much faster rate than alves, so no trex armed alves will never beat gsp, the gap will just keep growing, and if they fight again gsp will beat him even worse
TOOL, TOOL, TOOL. You find me a link that says GSP was 50% for the fight. I can’t wait to see it. The injury occurs in the 4th when he is swept and Thiago attempts to pass guard. GSP admits he didn’t want to stand with Alves because Alves standup was superior. Also GSP says maybe 100 times Alves is bigger and stronger. It doesn’t make him any less of an amazing fighter, its just facts guy. Your point about people improving, yeah because older fighters always do better in the sport. lol couture yes, most no. He is closer to topping out then Alves is. Am I saying Alves will ever beat him no, I’m saying don’t be a tool and hit those keys for the sake of wasting space.
Quick facts for everyone else:
GSP did not hurt his groin halfway through the fight or in the 3rd or start with the injury or any other way you would like to say it. He hurt it in the 4th after he was swept by Thiago and was on bottom and Alves pushed off to attempt to pass guard. Watch the DANA WHITE BLOG GSP says that’s when it happened in the fight. Yes GSP said the 3rd in the post fight, but he mentions it in between the 4th and 5th to Jackson and tells Dana in his blog. He fought 1 round with it. Very impressive still but not for 2 1/2 hrs like most would like to say.
Thiago defended 4 takedowns, was taken down 8 times, got back to his feet 7 times. The 2nd round he ended on his back. Tell me who has defended more? Not any of the top ranked fighters, 2 of whom are all american wrestlers.
GSP’s point of why he didn’t want to stand with Alves was shown very well up until the 3:20 mark of the 3rd, when GSP got it back to the ground. Might be another reason Alves see’s some good even in the loss.
3:07 of the 4th GSP was swept onto his back. 1st time in 3 yrs, again not by the elite all american wrestlers, and before the groin was injured. Injury happened soon after. Also GSP was there longer then ever before.
Basically yes GSP was dominant all 5 rounds, but nobody including Thiago is denying that. He is the #2 WW in the world who else do you think he wants to fight? His wrestling has come a long way in a short amount of time since the Fitch fight and he just lost to the best out there. The guy said he has stuff to work on and repeatedly calls GSP the best in the world. Why aren’t people gaining respect instead of losing it? That’s the kind of comments you look for in fighters. Respectful to the guy who just beat them, and only excuse is he needs to patch some holes in his training. Bash the people who want judging changed, or do everything except get a slot on Judge Judy, or took their opponents lightly (especially that last if it comes up 5 or 6 times), but don’t slam the guys who give credit and seem humble by the situation. GSP is awesome, I agree, but at this rate all the people posting stuff like this should feel lucky it was just a pulled groin and not something worse. You almost caused your hero to be out of competition a lot longer then he would have been with this pulled groin. You get that many people hanging from your sack, super sack or not, a serious injury is bound to occur. YIKES!
U guys need to chill some times,I’m a huge fan and am on mmajunkie,mania,playground,weekly and ufc.com religiously,but refuse to post cuz u guys r brutal..if u misspell u get crucified,if u have a different opinion or favorite fighter people hate on u and if some dude wants to use caps he’s the anti christ
Great picture! Is this the moment when GSP dropped him you guys think? Lay and pray my ass! I’m glad St-Pierre didn’t submit him with that rear naked choke in the first round, that way we got to see how dominant he could once again be. If Couture could still be champion at his age, imagine how long GSP could be champion. 10 years? 15 years? Do I hear 20 years?
Wow, look at that pic! When did St. Pierre fight Golum? My precious………
lol
10 years of Dry HUMPING OOO HHH LORD
He’s almost as bad as Sherk when it comes to finishing fights and he even has better sub skills than Sherk! P4P? What a joke.
LOL to the haters, “the dry humper” made his last 3 opponents face look like hamberger after the fight…ya real lay and pray, its called “ground and pound”, since you don’t understand MMA terms. LOL, the above picture is another lay and pray shot too eh?….that dropped the best striker in the welter welt division, and also out struck his last 6 opponents standing, not bad for a lay and pray fighter. He also finished three of them, not bad either for a boring decision fighter. Something tells me the gsp haters on here bet big time against him on his last 2 or 3 fights and lost big time, sorry for your loss but face reality gsp is the most well rounded fighter in the world, deal with it.
I don’t think anyone was hating in here on GSP. Dry humping comments seemed a bit sarcastic, as they should be. The only hating from the few I saw was on Alves. People on every site I’ve been to have been acting like the guy has said something wrong about GSP. He was class the whole way. Even this thing, how many people actually read that? Maybe 5 or 6 who posted comments pointing out it wasnt an excuse lol. Weird responses to this. I expected people to gain respect not lose it. Very odd.
I think most GSP fans are still pissed by that little man called BJ Penn and his conduct before and after his beating. Here’s how we expect any future contender to GSP’s throne to behave:
1- I am honored to face the greatest mma fighter out there.
And then,
2- It was an honor to have my ass kicked by the best mma fighter out there.
3-Thank you sir, may I have some more?
Any other form of demeanor is childish, immature and down right annoying.
There are way too many BJ Penn and Brock Lesnar in the UFC already. I am not a WWE fan and never will be.
As for Alves, he is better that I thought. He has a bright future as #2 or #3 welterweight.
Yea what a world class fighter. One who can’t finish a top ranked WW and has to grease to gain an advantage…
He finished 13 of his 19 wins. If you’re in the trolling business, my advice to you is to try to make it look like you know at least a little bit about the subject. You fail. Miserably.