UFC Quick Quote: Wanderlei Silva wants a rematch with Rich Franklin after ‘unbelievable’ show
By: Jesse Holland
“The show was incredible. It’s amazing, It’s unbelievable. It’s our first show here and sold out. A lot of people. It was incredible man. This crowd, I don’t know how many people standing … The ground started to shake. It’s unbelievable … Please, I want a rematch. I know it’s the judges opinion, but I’m thinking I won. It was fight of the night. I want a rematch.”
UFC 99 headliner Wanderlei Silva sounds off after his thrilling back-and-forth three round war with Rich Franklin at “The Comeback” from the Lanxess Arena in Cologne, Germany on June 13. “The Axe Murderer” came up on the losing end of a razor-thin unanimous decision to “Ace,” who was buckled in the second round by the former PRIDE smashing machine — who once again leaves it all in the cage. The fans were certainly grateful for another gritty performance, but was the losing effort enough to warrant a possible rematch? Opinions, please.
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My opinion is that he lost and will continue to lose unless they throw his to someone with a weak chin
How so?? although i agree he can’t hang with top fighters rampage, Evans, machida silva… he won that fight against Rich- he won round one with the take down and controle that he did, he ROCKED rich in the second round and but couldn’t finish him, and third round it could of gone either way- he gassed out cuz of the weight cut. but he clearly won that fight.. the judges sucked last night.. THE REF DAN IS A MORON HE SHOULD BE FIRED!!! worst ref in history of any sport
after rewatching the fight twice now wandy clearly won that fight no doubt about it, the only reason rich could have won the thid is those last 30 seconds where he did absolutely NOTHING with his position on a takedown..
i also think marcus davis won the fight with hardy based on his control but that one could have gone either way
seriously, those judges were on crack… wanderlei got a big takedown in the first round and had rich on his back for a good portion of round one, almost FINISHED the fight in the second round, and landed some good shots at the end of the third… what did rich franklin do to win the fight? move backwards the whole time and throw the occassional jab/kick? totally weak, but i think wanderlei will come back stronger in his next fight since he will be more preparedfor the weight cut
i agree completely. Wandy did more than enough to win the decision.
I think Wand gassing out really hurt him with the judges. Cause otherwise I thought it was Wand’s fight. Surprised it was unanimous too.
I have been saying that i’m not a Rich Franklin fan and that he would likely deliver another decision. A weak performance backpeddling the whole time with no killer instinct left in him. I hope we wont have to see Rich Franklin headline a ppv ever again.
Rich won round 1 and 3… Wand’s takedown did nothing! takedowns and control doesn’t mean anything if you can’t take advantage of your position!
Wanderlei needs better footwork and mix his striking up better, you can see his powerpunches coming from a mile away so why move in on him too much..
wanderlei doesn’t need a rematch. It was clear in my eyes that he lost. he was a step slower, and he couldn’t catch him with his haymakers. Too bad for him. He’s gonna slide still, I’m tellin’ ya.
CRO COP NEWS:
Mirko has not signed with the DREAM and that a UFC contract extension is still an option. This is what Mirko had to say:
I don’t now why Dana fell for the hype and rumors before talking to me. I hoped we could talk to continue working together and the only problematic thing is how long I have to wait between the fights. I don’t wan’t to sit at home for months and wait for somebody to call me to fight.
I’m greatfull for opportunity in Collogne and despite Dana’s harsh words I’m ready to prolong my contract”
stay Tuned….
Other than landing a couple hard shots, Wandy was outperformed. Wandy did nothing when on top, Rich did. Rich outpointed Wandy with strikes as well. Wandy had Rich hurt…..it comes down to how much credit you want to give that.
I wouldn’t have been too up and arms if they called it a drawy, but Rich was screwed on the Hendo decision IMO so it would have been terrible if this decision went the other way.
For all the sour grapes, Wandy left in the hands of the judges and was outperfomed in some areas so I don’t know how you can be too pissed. While there’s room for differing opinions, it certainly wasn’t one-sided in Wandy’s favor so get over it.
And be happy Wandy’s performance proved he can be a force at MW.
John,
Do you know where Dana got his info?
Dana’s a kid! It’s about time somebody steps up against him , all he wants is to make money on the fighters, but the fighters needs to make money too so if he wants Cro Cop than he needs to give him a good contract with good fights..
If by “good fights” you mean good opponents, Cro-Cop would be getting destroyed. Cro-Cop apparently knows that, which is why he allegedly turned down every other possible opponent, including Velaquez. Mirko needs to be fed a steady diet of cans to have any modicum of success at this point.
Ovaries – it probly had a lot to do with the fact that Mirko bailed after his fight straight home and didn’t even show up to the press conference. But the story Iole ran says cro cop himself told Dana after the fight that he signed with dream. We’ll have to wait and see dana’s reply.
Doesn’t Mirko always bail on the presser?
Jeremy you must wanted him to come back and lose right away, cause that is what would have happened if he fought Cain..
Now Cro Cop can start looking at better opponents, he needed to get some confidence back and that is what he got with this win!
You can’t just jump right in against top comp after coming back from major surgeries…
I didn’t want him to fight Cain. You’re saying Dana needs to give him good fights… I’m saying:
1) He can’t handle good opponents.
2) He doesn’t want good opponents.
And I don’t think this win will give him much confidence. He looked terrible against a widely acknowledged can until he landed the eye poke.
I’ve enjoyed watching Cro Cop over the years, but he has not impressed me in any of his recent fights. I’ll concede he shouldn’t have been matched vs top comp coming off surgery, but I see a predictable fighter with gaping holes in his game and questionable desire. I can’t see him winning vs any of the top several guys in the division.
I think it did him good, he needed that feeling back of just being out there.. with this fight back i say that he’s ready to take on better competition even if he’s gonna lose, a fight between him and MIr after Brock takes him out would be sweet!
I’d put my house down on the fact that he beats Mir up badly too..
Al-Turk is not a ‘widely acknowledged can’. He is a former ADCC Champion and Cage Rage title holder. Crocop made him look like a can. And WTF would Crocop fight someone like Cain only 5 months after having his knee reconstructed?? There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a tune-up fight after having major surgery.
European ADCC Champ.
And to be fair Al-Turk lost from what looks to me like a double eye-poke, the ref should at least of known something was up from his reaction – if it was fake he’d be ran out of the UFC just like Kalib Starnes in any case.
It was not a convincing performance from Cro Cop to me, though that could be ring-rust and he was carrying a little bit of weight. To say he was going to win anyway is ridiculous in this sport, plenty of people have been “losing” only to pull out a KO victory – you should not win by eye-poke and the fight should really be declared a NC.
***Mania Alert***
The blogger formerly known as JOHN has changed his Mania name to John G. This is something I should have done a long time ago. Too many JOhn’s post on this site and they always post the exact opposite of how I feel, so its pissing me off.
So when you guys see JOhn G, just know its your BOY!!!!
The blogger formerly known as John as Changed his Mania name to John G….All the bloggers who I respect on here, make a mental note of that. Others like JV, need not apply! lol
Thanks for the heads up JG.
I feel that Rich did enough to win the decision and his little takedown at the end of the third sealed it. Its a shame too because they were having a pretty clasic battle. Every war that Wanderlei has been in in the UFC, his opponent cheated us out of a memorable stand and bang finish. Chuck took him down with 30 seconds to go in the 3rd and so did Rich. Where is the pride guys??? How do you battle for 14:30 seconds and then feel satisfied to lay n pray the final 30 seconds? I myself felt a little cheated both times, but more so when Chuck did it because that was the only takedown attempt the whole fight.
As for Cro Cop, he looked prettty good once he started to fire away. It was as if someone said that he had to win the fight within that 30 second span of time in the first. However, he is in no way, shape, or form ready to take on the top of the HW division. Someone above said Cro Cop would destroy Mir. I’d have to disagree, that would be a relatively easy submission win for Mir.
i knew there had to be more to the cro cop story. i’m ashamed of dana that he would down trod a man of mirko’s capacity. here’s a man who was croatian SF during the Bosnia/Serbia war. Not a canadian SF that only see’s combat as a last resort. Mirko was in the preverbial ’shit’ during that conflict. and then to go on a become the elected member of parliament for the capital city of Zagreb, which is the equivalent of a senator from Washington D.C.. Dana isn’t 1/4 of the human being/man that mirko is
Yeah VM, I too felt really cheated out of the endings to the wandy/Liddell fight as well as the Rich/Wandy fight!
All fighters talk Sh*t! None of them ever back it up! They all promise this all out stand up war, but always bitch out and go for takedowns. Marcus Davis does it all the time…prior to this event, Rich was so happy that he finally got an opponent that wouldnt punk out, and actually stand with him…and then he pulls this crap! I cant respect that! Wanmderlei is the only fighter, that promises fans a stand up war, and goes out there and delivers, regardless of how the fight is going!
whats even worse, is guys like Chuck and Rich who NEVER volintarily take fights to the ground, punked out, and cheated us out of epic endings to classic fights!
THis is MMA, and I love the ground game…but when you go out and promise about how ITS GOING TO BE AN ALL OUT STAND UP WAR, and then win the fight with a takedown in the last minute of the fight…I call that a BITCH MOve!
When you shoot for a takedown in the last seconds of a fight…Only 2 things can occur:
a) you take the opponent down, and lay n him, holdin on for dear life until time expires…. or
B) THe opponent defends the takedown until time expires.
Both scenario’s lead to boring ends of epic fights, and the fans being cheated out of the last 30 seconds of an epic stand up war!
I have no problems with takedowns, but I am sick of fighters squeeking out wins, with a last second takedown.
IMO, all the mma judges need to be rounded up, and UNIVERSALLY, they should stop awarding points for late second takedowns….when fighters do NOTHING with it, but ride out the victory til time expires…if you take your opponent down, the last 30 seconds of a fight, and proceed to pound the FOCK out him, then thats acceptable….but to lay n pray at the end, or do some BS form of “swicking out”, just to show the judges that you are staying busy is unacceptable in my eyes!
UFC went to Germany for the 1st time ever….as a Headliner, Rich, owed to it to the fans, to bang away for the last 15 seconds….IMO, he cheated the 1st time German fans out of what could have been a classic ending!
just my 2 cents!
John G,
1. No one “promised” a stand up war. Rich said he was excited for one.
2. Wandy went for takedown. (You’ll say not at the end, but so what, it wasn’t off limits).
3. Rich wasn’t “content to lay n pray.” He definitely wanted to inflict damage and try to finish the fight from there.
4. If you feel rocked even a little and you know your safe on the ground, you would be an idiot not to take it there.
5. Even if one were to promis a standup war and it wasn’t working out, it’s fine to change it up especially when a fight goes the distance.
6. You bust out with some total biased sour-grapes rants sometimes and it always catches me off guard. No one jipped anyone or you. Your guy lost. It happens.
Good post John G! Late second takedowns are terrible – especially by fighters who normally do not look for takedowns at all. I dont care if it is the smart thing to do – it sucks for the fans.
At the end of the day, Wandy was fighting for the fans and Rich was fighting for the judges – And unfortunately, fighting for the judges is what will get you the W.
John,
I sound like more of a dick than I intended, lol. I just wanted to make the opposing case.
either knock someone out or get knocked the f*ck out. layin on somebody n taking them down with jr.high football form tackles doesn’t mean u’ve kicked anyone’s ass in my book. leaving someone with knots and gashes on their face is, not bumps n bruises
ovaries is a franklin nuthugger!
Last minute takedowns are within the rules, part of the sport, and an intelligent strategy in a close fight. They can be defended, and if they are the defending fighter gets a nod from the judges.
Do you guys get mad when your favorite football team is up by a field goal with a minute left and takes a kneel-down?
Good points JJ!
Thankyou JJ,
It’s intelligent. Do guys have an obligation to entertain? I think so. Is it there only responsibility? Hell no. Winning is still pretty important even if you have to take someone down at the end of the fight.
Have seen fight about 3Xs now.. Clearly Rich won… Round One take down??? Wand controlled Rich??? He barely landed a few punches(about 4 good punches) and Rich reversed it and controlled and punished Silva against the cage… Rich RD1 landed many more punches and kicks… Rd 2 Rich drops Wand with a Jab… Silva stuns Franklin but good movement by Franklin avoids punishment… Franklin lands kick that stuns Silva at end of RD2. During RD 2 Franklin landed more punches and kicks… RD 3 Pretty even on exchanges… Franklin gets stunned a bit by punch but due to good movement avoids punishment and gets takedown… What fight were u watching??? Franklin picked him apart standing… One take down each… Two good punches by Wand without anymore punishment… Franklin stuns Wand with kick at en of RD2… LOOK AT THE FACE BUDDY!!!!
CRO COP QUOTE!
“I don’t know why White listened to the rumors instead of talking to me. I hoped that we will talk about a continuing of our collaboration, because the only obstacle was the long period between two fights that has been offered to me. I don’t want to sit at home so long and waiting that someone calls me for a fight.”
“However, I am grateful to Dana White for an opportunity to fight in Cologne and despite his harsh words, I don’t see the reason that we don’t prolong the contract.”
I didn’t think he would just bail like that, good thing I’m not as fickle or gullable as most “fans”.
the dude has lost like 6 of his last 7 fights, cant even beat a can like liddel even, who has lost pretty much against evryone lately. its time for his nutthuggers to give it up and put him out to pasture. His brawling style doesnt work, against any good technical striker, or someone like rampage with way more power
you are smokeing crack. Silva got picked apart like a scab.
how can you say he cant hang with top fighters he beat the hell out of rampage TWICE! in brutal fashion and was winning the third fight before rampage caught him with the left,.. he has beaten dan henderson too and sakuraba 3 times and koed a decent fighter keith jardine
Wanderlei needs to take a step down from top contenders and take on a middle weight “Jardine”. Someone with a good name but is only average-good. Maybe Kendall Grove or Nate Quarry, someone like that.
at this point, i wouldn’t mind watching him fight some middle -of-the-roaders. give him patrick cote, that would be a slugfest. but seeing as how ripped wandy looked and much the weight cut looked to affect his cardio, how in the f is he gonna make 185??
N joke! he’s gonna have to cut some serious muscle to just to stay at a catch weight of 195, more less make 185. And that cut in muscule is gonna take away his power and his ability to bully people around.
If Wand cuts properly and gradually he can easily make 185. Look how much bigger Franklin is, and he makes the cut.
“I’m still in shock. Cro Cop was punking all of us. I hope Cro Cop goes on a three fight losing streak and gets the hell out of MMA. He’s a disgrace.”
“…He can’t even beat Mostapha Al-Turk without poking him in the eye.”
this is a quote from ariel halwani, while we normal bloggers can have this opinion, is he a UFC employee or fan boy or is he supposedly the best mma interviewer and opinion giver? These statements are biased and dumb. First, Cro cop can sign with whomever he wants and 2nd, who cares??!!
who is he fooling? punking all of us? what he does is none of his, mine or dana’s business.. Mirko wasn’t signed to anything! He does whatever the hell he wants, it’s his career and his life..
I agree rob. His contract was for 1 fight….he has every right to test the free agent market and sign with whatever organization he chooses. I dont even get how this is an issue…not only does he have every right to sign with whoever he wants, but he is OLD and cant compete with top UFC heavyweights anyway…so who the fOCK cares?
Anyone who knows anything about law will tell you that a verbal agreement to sign a contract is absolutely LUDICROUS! Dana White must be out of his mind if he thinks Crocop is obligated to sign with the UFC just because they discussed it over the phone. He can go wherever the f0ck he wants and good luck to him!
I would love to see Cro Cop against Jardine.. I find them both to be exciting fighters when they need to be…in this case, they would.
cro cop vs. liddell would be a fight to see
That,s the beauty about these guys..they are part of the older one or two dimensional fighters, but I would still pay big bucks to see a guy like Lidell fight.
yeah wand sucks, just a poor mans version of rampage, with much less power, less strenght, and poorer boxing, and wrestling. He needs to retire, he is embarrasing himself, and his fans are sick and tired of him losing evrytime
The FIght was ok, Wanderlei straight up lost, maybe it was the weight cut. He needs to evolve his game up a bit and be a better wrestler.
u r a jackass. hes a great wrestler a black belt on the ground in jiu jitsu. that fight was close but he won. he controlled the fight. rich fought smart. wand landed the bigger shots. dude ur a moron
I had it 29-28 for silva but yea, it was obviously the weight cut that gassed him. Seriously, how hard is it for people to start cutting months ahead? I will always be a fan but this just sucks.
Has Wand ever even cut weight before? Rich looked way bigger than him and Wand only had to cut ten pounds… just lay off the carbs for a week and go for a run before the weigh-ins and you’re there.
If he did cut it last minute that is dumb as hell. I’ve never seen Wand tired to start a second round before… and the Pride first rounds were ten minutes!
your telling silva how to cut weight.how many mma fights have you been in.you are your biggest hero
I’ve fought MMA rules as many times as you’ve had intercourse with a woman. Now go lie down on the train tracks. I’m sure there are some behind the trailer you live in with your meth-addicted relatives.
Hey JJ, What did you think about Cottley-Cotto? I was already exhausted from ridiculous judging on the UFC card, i just couldn’t handle it anymore after that fight. 116-111? 115-112? Are you fn kidding me? The fact that joshua threw away that last round also had me reeling in disgust.
It was close as hell NNR. Tough to call. Cotto had the early knockdown and fought through a headbutt later on, but Clottey was landing combinations. To be honest I was smashed by the time I got around to watching it, but the scorecards were bullshit!
Mayweather is injured (allegedly) and the Marquez fight has been postponed. Manny is on the verge of fighting Cotto. I think Cotto should be fighting other welterweights like Williams and Manny should stop fighting bigger guys, but it will be damned interesting.
It’s going to be strange after the TUF Finale next weekend; there are NO fights for three weeks. Get ready for a ridiculous amount of UFC 100 hype for the next month.
Wand and the guys from Chute boxe never got tired in Pride and now that they’ve layed off with the illegal stuff we’re seeing them tire no matter how hard they train..
Sean Sherk looks tired to me too when he fights now after the steroid suspension
Wand was not a huge guy fighting at 205, and I believe typically walks around at a weight close to that. I could be wrong, but I have a hard time believing the weight cut was the reason for him gassing early. Ten pounds isn’t that much. From some of my own experience, sometimes for no apparent reason, energy levels fluctuate and there are down cycles. I believe Wand has some good fights left in him, but also think he has harder miles on him than most other fighters his age.
Rob, I like you, and usually I agree with you, except for when you talk about that Moron TITO…but lay off the unproven steroid allegations…its just not cool to tarnish a fighters name like that without having proof. U r better then that man!
Not to mention the fact that Steroids are used to increase strength. U dont get better cardio by shooting yourself with roids. only way to have great cardio is by busting your ass in the gym, and putting in the necessary work. THere isnt a substance known to man, that can make you a cardio machine just by taking it, or shooting it into your system.
i actually dont think as many fighters did Roids in Japan, as many of you guys make it to be. Did some fighters in Pride use roids? ABSOLUTELY, but guess what, there are athletes in every single professional sports league that do roids. I’d bet that there were far more fighters in Pride that didnt do roids, then ones who did use them. so, iMO its not fair to tarnish every fighters name that came over from Pride.
Some Pride fighters have looked amazing in the UFC, and others looked crappy, but there isnt a direct correlation leading to steroid use.
THere have been fighters like Fedor, who were Dominant in Pride, but then came over and started fighting in the USA, were all fighters are tested, and havent lost a step like: Fedor, Rampage, Anderson Silva (yes he is a Pride guy. THe debate is PRIDE vs. UFC, not Prode vs. UFC vs. Cage rage).
THen there have been guys from Pride that havent been as stellar as they were in Pride, but there are reason’s why some havent panned out.
Lets take Shogun for example. I dont think its fair to say that he was on Roids in Pride, and now he isnt fighting up to par because he cant take them anymore.The guys has suffered the most devestating injury in pro sports, TWICE over the span of only 1 year….Isnt that a good enough explanation. Shogun actually fought in America under the pride banner and looked Phenomenal. He dominated both Alistar Overeem (everyone’s new favorite fighter) and Randleman, and he did so, in typical dominant shogun fashion, fighting as good as he ever fought in Japan, all while passing the Vegas athletic commission’s steroid and drug tests!
Then there are guys like Wanderlei and Nogueira, who have fought at a high level (minus the mir fight), but arent their Dominant selves like they were in Pride. I dont think lack of steroids affected their game…I just think they have been through too many WARS over the years and now find themselves a step slower having to face top competition on a constant basis. THere are no Zulu fights for NOg in the UFC, and Wandy hasnt been fed Guy Mezgar in the uFC…they are consistantly being matched up against the best of the best, and when that happens, someone has to lose….but I dont think that means that they are done! Look at wanderlie…his decline actually started while he was still in Pride. He lost his last 2 fights, one against Henderson in America (no he didnt test positive) and one against Cro cop in the OPen weight grand prix. A hater will say, 1st time wandy fought in America he LOST, so he must have been on roids in Japan…what an silly statement! He lost to Dan Henderson, not some Can, in a fight that wanderlei came into with over a hundred degree fever and it was a very competitive fight that lasted close to 20 minutes. Also, if Wandy’s terrific career was due to steroid use, why did he get demolishede by Cro Cop in the open weight grand prix? Did he stop taking roids when it was tim to fight MOnsters? if I were a chronic steroid user, you better believe I would be extra juiced up when entering an open grand prix where he could have faced Heavyweight MOnsters like Nog, Aleks, Barnett, Cro Cop, who would all outsize him by a ton!
Then there are fighters like Henderson, who are simply OLD! Hendo has looked like a former shell of the PRIDE version of Hendo who would just knock peoples heads off, yet NO ONE ever accuses him of roid use….Father time has caught up to him. Simple as that. I would also group Cro Cop in this category and Injuries have also played a part in his demise….getting his head Kicked off by GOnzaga also played a part Im sure!
THen there are fluke fighters from Pride like Sokoudjou. He has looked like crap since leaving Pride, but no one ever attributes that to steroids. He just wasnt that good to begin with. He was untested, but made a name for himself by kO’ing 2 top fighters who probably overlooked him. BOth Ko’s came right at the beginning of the fight, and we had really never seen him tested in a fight. He is basically the PRIDE version of Houston Alexander.
I think Generalizing Pride as basically the steroid era of mma is an extremely exaggerated and inaccurate statements. Like I said, I am sure some athletes in Pride have taken roids, but thats no different then the UFC or any other pro sports league. its easy to say, they were on Roids so now, they arent performing how they did in Pride, but I think if you take it on a case basis, and dig a little deeper, there are other factors explaining their UFC losses.
Actually John, EPO (the blood doping agent common in the Tour de France) pumps extra oxygen into the blood, increasing endurance.
John, Pride IS different from the UFC in that they didn’t test for steroids! Of course athletes everywhere are using them, but it stands to reason that Pride would have a much higher percentage based on the fact that they were allowed! Especially in the fight game, where strength and size and injury recovery (another benefit of juice) are such a huge advantage.
and some asthma meds
Which fight were you watchin’ keef? Wanderlei lost, get on with the program. The bad thing was that it was a UD. the loss should have been a split decision. Stupid scoring by the judges, but Wanderlei lost.
Watch it Syd, dude might call you a jackass.
I love Wandy, love Rich, but Rich’s technical game was, well..umm, more technical, Wandy was the aggressor, but unfortunatly, not enough to win a fight. I was in my opinion more of a split, but Franklin had that little edge more.
wand landed a few shots, but rich landed like way more shots, and pretty much dominated evry round
Dude gives his honest opinion & you call him a moron. Maybe you should go to http://www.cagepotato.com instead. Lotsa one-liners for you to chew on there ;o)
Listen Silva won. He won round one with the takedown…while Franklin had no takedown. As far as stand up went I think it was even. More than half of Franklin’s kicks were brushed off in the first. Admit a lot more of Franklin’s kick hit their mark in second but for the most part Silva was able to counter for points. So up until Silva rocking Franklin I have it tied. I am not sure how they do judging but from what I see Franklin should have most definitely gotten split decision. But what do I know I also think Davis probably should have won an even tighter fight. Think he will get rematch unlike Silva. Franklin is not dumb and probably want nothing to do with him.
I don’t see why not? Both these guys don’t really have anywhere to go. I do think Franklin won the fight yesterday, but it was definitely a battle!
No one was pumping up CroCop and Silva before and during this show than me. But after last night. I can’t talk about Silva like he’s entirely relevant anymore. And after CroCop pulled his BS, I have to withdraw my support for him as well.
At least Silva was throwing down as hard as his fight ravaged body could. CroCop left all of his american fans out to dry on this one. Have fun fighting the easy fights in japan my old friend. I hope Overeem destroys you in an alley somewhere.
I have no interest in seeing a rematch between Rich and Wand, Rich would beat him again. He has to length over Wand and it would imo be the same exact fight. Rich would keep his length and do enough to ease out a dec win
Screw a rematch. Let Wanderlei take on a MW banger like Cote. Someone who doesn’t have a big size advantage over him. I’m thinking Wand has a couple more big wins in him but it’s almost a wrap.
the best solution for everyone in these types of situations is to have ALL main events 5 rnds
Yeah, or a “sudden voctory” round.
That would be awesome… but we wouldn’t have gotten six guaranteed fights then, due to PPV time restraints. I agree though, I’d like to see all main events be 5-rounders.
i dont know if im the only one who did not like that fight. but i thought it was kinda boring. the standup was horrible. i def do not want the sequel
Wanderlei Vs Kendall Grove!!!!
WAR KENDALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You must be kidding?
I think this should be wanderlei’s next fight after kendall Tko’z almeida at ufc 101.
Kendall would submit wanderlei, then grove could get a possible title shot.
I know this all sounds far fetched but i’m a big time kendall grove nut hugger.
WAR GROVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry buddy but kendall grove has already peaked and he is on the downhill slide.
Kendall needs to lay off the smoke, same as Vera, good fighters but lazy, kool guys though
Wasn’t it a unanimous decision for Ace? Love’d to see a rematch tho!
Rich is a boring fecker, feck him
Wanderlei won that fight… obviously the judges only saw the fact that he was exhausted; which he didn’t look himself before the bell rang.
Great fight although not a split decision as mentioned,I would rather see these guys compete in their new weight classes. Wandy vs Cote would make for a great matchup.I want to see Franklin in the LH mix.
Who cares who won the fight? It was a great fight at a weight class that doesn’t exist. Only way the rematch would ever happen is if they actually did make a 195 division. I would rather see them make a division between 205 and 265 personally.
It wasn’t a split decision, it was Unanimous for Franklin.
it was a great fight .. but Franklin clearly won . im seeing alot of people online saying wandy got robbed . I strongly disagree.
I guess he has not seen the replay yet brcause he clearly lost
Wandy won that fight….rematch really doesn’t sound that great but I wouldn’t turn down watching it either
First of all it wasnt sold out, don’t know where Silva got that from.
Second id rather not see a rematch, it would most likely go the same way again and i want to see both of them fight other fighters next.
Wot fight were u watching Rich def won that fight all 3 rounds. No way split descion. the only ones that are for wand are the geek boys of mma. wand has never been as good in the ufc as he was in pride, he should retire like ufc record win 1 lose 3 wot does that tell u. . . washed up. . .anyone?
How do you think Rich won the second round? All he did was backpedal, and he didn’t do anything substantial all round. Wand had him rocked and on his heels.
If it wasn’t for that last takedown with 30 seconds or so left, I think it was Wand’s fight.
rich couldnt finish a washed up fighter,whats that tell you
i was pretty shocked that it was a ud for rich, i thought it could have gone either way, and if it was a close fight, wich it was, then i thought the ufc would have gave it to wandy, to build up the anderson silva beef.
Wandy is done like dinner. Go home and retire!
Come on really. Rich is done like dinner if he thinks he is just going to waltz through the LHW division with no problem. Rich did hurt him in the first round and Wandy did gas but Wandy showed a lot more heart last night. Wandy was trying to finish the fight where Rich had no interest in finishing the fight. Wanderlei also was getting the better of the exchanges and rich would just stick and move. I wouldn’t say that Wandy is a championship caliber fighter anymore but neither is rich and Wanderlei beat the old gatekeeper of the MW division last night IMO.
Rich is not and has never been a gatekeeper. With the exception of Anderson he’s never been dominated by anybody in the UFC.
Rich will get his a$$ kicked at LHW.
Rampage, Machida, Evans, hell, even Tito might give him a run for his money if he were around.
Win, lose or draw, Wand always brings it. I hope he continues to fight in the UFC for a very long time. His time’s not up yet.
wandy has a point…..when i saw him go for a clinch i thought pride silva is comin but he let it go….he had so mamy opps to finish him
There is a valid argument for either of them winning. It should not have been a unanimous decision for either fighter. I am partial to one of the fighters but the fight was a draw. A rematch doesn’t interest me either. The only thing I would be interested in seeing in the way of Wanderlei is him moving all the way down to 170 and fighting GSP. That is if he could make weight. He would come under 185 by a couple pounds for some of his Pride fights. He could make waves at welterweight.
listen to jeremyjackson telling silva how to cut weight.what a fn joke.
Wanderlei walks around at 205. Ten pounds is a minor cut by today’s standards. Many welterweights cut 20. If he cut all that weight the day before the fight, as it was said he did on the broadcast last night, then the cut was obviously not done correctly. Wanderlei never gasses early and he gassed early last night. Seeing as he trained his ass off like always, the weight cut is clearly to blame.
wandy walks around near 215. the only fight he never cut weight for was crocop and he came in at 221.
Wanderlei quote to MMAweekly on fighting at 185:
“Yeah, I could try because every guy in my division have to cut to 205 and my normal is 208.”
he’s around 208 when training. when not training he is between 215 and 220. i have a friend with ties to chute, and he said wandy is always around 220 when he comes back to train after time off. he also doesn’t believe wandy can make the cut to 185.
i guess it depends on what your version of walking around weight is. your training weight or your natural weight. if you’re training everyday and you are at 208, it would be hard to cut another 23 lbs. that is more than 10 percent of your body weight.
I agree JJ. I had to do a couple 10+lbs cuts in wrestling in one night before, and I can tell you I felt like ass…and certainly didn’t wrestle that well. When I did it over a couple of days, I felt much better. I thought Rich won…Wandy’s face was battered (more than usual) while Rich’s face looked pretty fresh. Wandy couldn’t even give Rich a black-eye, which I’m pretty sure a strong wind can do.
LOL, no kidding MM. This is one of the first fights I’ve seen where Rich HASN’T came into a fight with a mouse under his eye.
i dont understand why everyone thinks this fight was so close like the rich hendo fight was a hell of a lot closer then this fight. rich cleary won the fight i def had it 2 rounds to 1 and it was even hard not to give rich all 3 rounds.
you said, “2 round to 1″
so you had a split decision for Franklin
that sounds like a pretty close fight to me
He meant Rich won two rounds clearly, and Wanderlei had one round. If all 3 judges saw it that way, it’s a unanimous decision.
I’d have to agree that the one round in question could have gone either way, but it doesn’t matter anyways. Even if Wanderlei won that round it’s still a unanimous decision for Franklin so…
Wanderlei did lost that fight, in my opinion. I had it scored 29-28 for Franklin. But, it was an unbelievable fight. Wanderlei fights for the fans, and it shows. People who hate on either Franklin or Silva because of the decision should give both of them the respect they deserve. Neither of them judged the fight.
It was a good decision, but Wandy salvaged some pride by making it at least close.
Very simple; Rich won the first. Wandy the second. And Rich took the W with that last take down. It came down to who closed best in the final minute and that was enough for Ace.
Overall, apart from being mildly rocked in the second, Franklin appeared much more in control of the fight. Wandy seemed desperate to me and he appeared tired early. Did Franklin break his nose like he thought he did?
Either way, as far as losses go, it shouldn’t hurt Wandy’s stock that much. He needs to go to MW with a proper weight cut and KO a middle of the road guy like Grove or Quarry and then I’d like to see him fight Bisping if he loses to Hendo.
good call
Personally, Im not a fan of rematches, unless it really warrants it like a no contest.
Calls for a rematch is usually followed by excuses why someone lost.
You lose, you lose. Move on.
rich will never do shit at 205 . ufc should have a washed up tourny, chuck,wandy,jardine, plaenty of others and let them fight to the death
‘razor thin’ would be a split decision unanimous is ‘unanimous’ 3, that’s THREE judges (and me) thought Rich won .. ‘razor thin unanimous’ makes no sense.
I don’t think a rematch makes since. They’re headed into two different weight classes. And I think Silva can win some fights until he gets to Anderson Silva or Maia. And Franklin will be competitive at 205.
I didnt think there was a clear winner here. Not sure why some people think its a clear win for silva or rich. BUt if i had to judge id prob give it to rich. But very close.
everyone that i watched it with agreed that Silva won it, both Rich and Silva fans…
Oh and if i hear one more war im going to puke.
War puke!!
I’d rather see the fighters move on. No more point wasting time in “catch-weight” land. Put Wandy against the Bisbing vs Hendo loser. If he wins that he is one win away from Anderson.
i think Wand won also
AM I THE ONLY ONE who heard wandy congradulate Dana & the Fertittas for getting MMA legalized In New York. .
Im gonna re watch it but i swear he said that at the end of the fight.
i just watched the fight i gave it to silva
Is that you Hellen Keller?
ha!
Heres my opinion – didnt see this fight, but dont think rematches are really worth it. Whats the point at the end of the day.
If GSP defeats ALVES, i like to see him move up for a fight and take on Rich or Wanderlei. I dont see Rich or Wanderlei competing for another title shot at 185. But both are still strong competitors.
*correction* i forgot Franklin has moved up. Wanderlei or this loser of Bisping, Henderson
Considering the fight was at catchweight, and so close, it won’t matter. It was a fight for the fans.
I felt Silva won the fight, and I say that as the guy who was making fun of you all for saying he would. He needs to bring back that thai clinch.
they should make a 195 division that would be interesting lol
I just watched the fight twice….I gave it to Wande. Wande is to talented to get caught up in these wars. He loves pleasing the crowd probably more than any fighter and thats what everyone loves about him. Read his comments, sometimes I feel like he cares more for the show than winning. I will always be a fan.
Wand is definately a top 2 fighter in the 195 lb class.
wandy only lost cuz his cardio wasn’t there, otherwise franklin would have gotten messed up bad
give wandy a rematch. wat a legend. gassed after round one . still throwing bombs in the last round. he deserved to win. rich was scared. so he got a takedown in the last 30 seconds. he didnt do anything. wandy got straight back up. . wandy should have got the decision
“bring back that thai clinch” True story… More then a few times Franklin had his head low and it the spot for a nice knee. The Clinch game was there for wandy IMO he was just to gassed to see it. hmmm gassed at 195 with his crazy snorkel training not sure i want to see him at MW. No rematch plz they left it in the cage.
I don’t want to see Silva/Franklin II. I want to see him at Middleweight. There are a ton of opportunities for Wanderlei at MW…the Rich Franklin ship has sailed.
LOL at “razor-thin unanimous decision”!! C’mon, Mania! Most of us love Wand; but he clearly lost that fight. It’s a gift to even award him one round. Swinging wildly and connecting with nothing but air doesn’t get you points. Wand was game and aggressive; but he clearly lost. Takedowns and one-two combos which connect (like Rich executed)are what won the fight for Rich.
I have no problem with a quick rematch; but there is no question that Rich won this particular fight. Wand still has a lot of work to do if he wants to compete for any more titles. I see him losing to most of the top MW contenders at this point.
Nothing happened in round one other than Wandy taking Franklin down he had round 1 in the bag till he tried to pull guard with that gullitine. I still think that was a 10/10 round or Wandy won it. Round 2 we all agree was Wanders, he almost finished Franklin and even Rich said he went black. Round 3 Wandy had it won until the last 30 seconds. Takedowns count for too much. Plus Wandy got right up and started to throw elbows.
The gave it to Rich because he was somewhat screwed against Hendo with the headbut and eye poke.
Wanderlie is gonna crush the 185 division. Let him fight Leben or another brawler
id rather see wandy take on leben or maybe cote next. rich vs . . . luiz cane?
A REMATCH WOULD BE A GREAT FIGHT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WAND FIGHT AT MIDDLEWEIGHT, I SEE MORE THER FOR WAND
REMATCH!
WAND GOT ROBBED BIG TIME! NEVER WAS HE HURT.FRANKLIN WAS HURT SEVERAL TIMES IT SHUD HAV BEEN 2-1 SILVA . FRANKLIN SO DAMN LUCKY
SILVA NOT USED 2 CUTTING W8 YET. WANDS GUNA KTFO HIS NEXT OPP FOR
DAMN SURE
WANDS STILL THE BEST EVER!!! NO1 WILL EVER DO WUT HE DID IN MMA.SO ALL U SILVA H8ERS CUD MUNCH ON A FAT 1!
unbelieveable show my left nut, i thought Cain and Kongo should have got fight of night although it was a little bit one sided.
WTF U GUYS NO BOUT CRO COP SIGNING A 3 FIGHT DEAL W/ DREAM RITE AFTER THE UFC FIGHT???
so
The UFC needs to award points to the aggressor in a fight.
If you think Silva won that fight you have no idea how to score a fight, and you are smoking the crack pipe way to often. Silva got picked apart the entire fight. Silva is an outstanding fighter, but he lost this fight without a doubt. Now in his defense, I think the weight cut hurt him, and once he gets used to the weight cut, he will be a force to be recond with.
why would you say that silva cant hang with top fighters he has beaten rampage near to death twice and has beaten dan henderson and sakuraba 3 times so why can he not hang with top 205 fighters go watch his first 2 fights with rampage it was an epic knees sent rampage lifeless on the ropes silva is a beast and i can admit there is more competition in ufc and soccer kicks and stomps are not allowed all that said,… he has had trouble being more aggresive but he will find his groove soon enough he may never have an impact like he did in pride or be as dominant but we have not seen the last of silva taking out big name fighters