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he wont know that it wasnt an early stoppage because he wont watch the tape.
lol! im so glad this clown lost… heres to hoping he loses three in a row and we never have to see him in the ufc again
I don’t think that will happen….i’m not a fan of Kos either, but he’s pretty damn good. This was a nice dose of reality for Kos, he needed to get knocked down a few pegs. He wasn’t a bit concerned with this dude.
I am with you brendan. I like how cook and camarillo are also on the early stoppage wagon.
you know when i look at it again, i have to agree with the team of Kos.. the ref got scared when Kos went down, if that is how you’re gonna rule the fights Nogueira’s record would have been about 10-20…
Watch the replay again. Just ’cause Joe Rogan said that he thought it was justified doesn’t make it so. Koscheck lands on his back goes to get up, is aware enough that he doesn’t have the time, waits for Thiago do go into his guard, but the ref stopped it. That was an early stoppage. RIGHT AFTER Koscheck is completely aware of what is going on. Not 10 seconds, or even 2 seconds.
Top end experienced fighters deserve more of an opportunity to recover. Early Stoppage.
most fighters instinct is to halfass pull guard to begin with, kos was absolutely out and was even biting his lip on the ground.. that was a late stoppage if anything if that guy jumps on kos like he should have there is going to be serious injuries to koscheck sure he was almost recovered when thiago finally got over there but he was done all dude would have had to do was hit him again and kos wouldn’t be saying unfair
If you’re not gonna give someone a chance to recover cause you’re scared when someone’s down then there’s no point in being a ref or even watching a fight.. the ref stood at the other side of the octagon and there’s noway he could’ve seen Koscheck’s eyes there, the ref “killed” the warrior while Paulo wasn’t even ready to rain down blows!
Also Thiago even raised both his hands like “he’s out, you really need me to hit him.” I find it hard to believe that a 10 fight vet who’s a proven finisher doesn’t know how to pounce on wobbled guys. Kos just paid the price for a sloppy hopping jab probly looking for the overhand right.
and i say watch the fight again live! that’s how you see what really happened, Kos was ready to stand back up the second he hit the ground and had his hands on the side to push himself up and when he saw Paulo coming in he held his hands to defend! and that’s a fact! sure the uppercut knocked him out for a split sec, but as i said if that’s how you call every fight both Tim Sylvia and Heath Herring would own wins over Nog..
NNR you need to go back and watch the fight.. Paulo didn’t even have a chance to see the ref coming, and the is jumping on Kos the same second he went down, the only thing that is is a rookie ref robbing a warrior like Kos a chance to recover..
the ref is*
FIRE THAT MOTHERF’IN REF!!!!!
Never seen Nog stiffen up, ever; so that doesn’t apply. Kos did. Mind you, he recovered very fast. And i realize that the ref was behind him but look at his hand gesture, he knew there was nothing there to finish.
plz, nog got stiffed by herring
ok check out Herring vs Nog he is out the moment Herring almost kicks his head off, just like Kos is out the moment Paulo lands the uppercut, but he is back when he hits the ground looking to get up and then sees Paulo coming at him so he holds his hands up.. If you have the possibility to watch the fights again do it!
and it wasn’t like he was unconscious on the ground so i don’t see the need to fly in like that.. a scared ref is a bad ref!
I think i have to knock on that ref’s door and personally take him out of the game.. these fighters are professionals and their careers are on the line here ffs!
Well bottom line is that Kos lost, he friggin’ rolled his eyes[he was on queer street!], and I called the upset! I actually have 100% accuracy with all my UFC 95 picks! 1st time I aced a UFC card[including undercards!]*pats own back…
Some guys will defend any stoppage because it protects the fighters. It seems these days any flash knockdown will be a career altering stoppage.
Sorry but if that figher would have pounced on Koscheck as soon as he knocked him down, we would not be having this debate. It is only because he didn’t jump on him straight away to inflict more damage which he easily could have done, that you are able to bitch about an early stoppage. I have always hated Kos, but after his Alves performance ad his interviews afterwards he seems to have matured and lost a lot of his arrognace. This was actually the first time ever that I was hoping he would get a win. Nog of the past has proven he is capabe of recovering from something like that, if the ref had let Kos continue and he was hospitalised because of it, you same guys would be bitching that the ref should have stopped it sooner.
Eyes rolled back in the head = fight over
When have they ever allowed a fighter whose eyes were rolled back in their head, biting their own lip, arms stiff out to the side, continue to fight? NEVER! It was a beautiful knockout, quit trying to take credit away from Thiago
We have this stupid debate after every single UFC event.
This time, this debate is not warranted. i was fine with ALL the stoppages. Do you guys really want to see mma fighters walking around like mohhamed Ali after they retire? Letting a fighter take more shots to the head after a flash KO, is a very dangerous thing. Kos was OUT momentarily, and guess what, thats all it takes in the rule books for the fight to be stopped, so what the F are you blood thirsty lunatics complaining about?
tHiago knew Kos was out, like many previous posters said, all thiago had to do was pounce on him, but for what? Kos was done!
same people that bitch about the early stoppages are the ones that complain after Rampage delivered to Big BLows to a Knocked out wanderlei.
We bash referees a lot on this site, but I have no beef with any of the way this past events fights were refereed or scored. I didnt even notice the refs, and thats how you know they are doing a good job!
I dont want to here any of the accusations that I am biased against Kos or that the ony reason I am happy with the stoppage is because I was the one who predicted it and had money on tHiago, because that is not the case at all! Kos was out momentarily and thats all that matters!
Kos is to blame for terrible striking technique. He jumped into the uppercutt while throwing a lazy jab…his eyes were on the ground, he never saw the uppercutt coming and paid the price. Stop Bitchin!
Kos.. was out.
Paulo did the right thing.. he was ready to inflict more damage till the ref did his job. Like John said.. I really didn’t notice the refs either during the card… it was great event start to finish. great job.. by the fighters.. and the refs.. and great job bitching about it.. for Koscheck.. and his bend over buddies.. all riding his cock.. and massaging his ego.
Kos.. you got Ko’d.. via the Knock out of the Night.. own it.. suck it up.. move on.. its nature of the sport.
Guys.. do you know what Paulo Thiago does.. google/youtube ” Tropa de Elite “.. it’s a brazilian movie about Rio de Janerio’s Military Police’s special unit called B.O.P.E. These mofos’ are no joke!!!! Their like navy seals/ Isreali special opps.. BOPE is who go save the cops when the regular cops.. go and get in trouble inside of a favela.. Paulo is one of these cats.. I find that out.. during the pre fight talk on UFC 95.. what he goes thru and sees on an average day on the job.. is insane.. google ” Tropa de Elite “.. and peep for yourself.
ok then let me just say that Paulo Thiago should get some killer instinct and go in for the finish.. cause if the ref wouldn’t have stopped it there Kos would have gone on, and for those of y’all that claims he was gone on the ground needs to go rewatch the fight, he tries to push himself up with both hands and then he sees Paulo coming in and he defends, that is not worth a stoppage.. Griffin’s eyes rolled back against Rampage, Nogueira eyes have been rolled back a hundred times without a stoppage, it was an early stoppage the ref was all over him right after he hit the ground and you all know that.. I could go on and list hundreds of fights where the action was allowed to go on, the rules needs to be same in every fight
RoB, obviosly two people can watch the same fight and see two completely different things. I, however, saw the same exact thing you did! I wrote something similar on the UFC 95 recap and final thoughts post. That Ref was too far away and should have been on top of the action! Kos got dazed, but was never unconcious. He was immediately attempting to intelligently defend himself. I could see possibly stopping a childrens’ MMA competition! But, this is at the top! If they started stopping every fight because someone gets dropped, we’ll never get to see true champions of the sport! Guys who can fight through adversity and come back to win! The Ref in the Per Eklund fight did a good job! He may have even stopped it one punch sooner! But, there is no doubting the outcome of that fight! And any fighter can end up like Ali! Forrest is well on his way with some of the headshots he’s taken! A lot of them get hit thousands of times during their carreer and don’t end up like Ali! Besides, one punch could put a fighter in a coma or worse! Bottom line, it was clearly an early stoppage!
Rob,
The rules are the same for every fight. It is the officials interpretation of those rules and his interpretation of the fighters condition that determines the officials’ reactions.
yes i do know that, but that ref’s interpretation of the situation was a little off in my mind, Kos is a professional and has proven in other fights that he is great at recovering from hard shots.. what i think should have happened is that the ref should have stood right beside them and jumped in right away if Thiago put on some GnP like in the Dunham – Eklund fight..
Kos has NEVER been hit as hard on the button, as Thiago hit him….so to say that Kos has proven that he can recover from a shot like that is a baseless Claim. YOu all know alves is one of my very favorites, and even he didnt hit Kos with a shot like that!
Justifiable stoppage!
Quit whinin’ guys, we all know majority of you picked Kos to win, that’s why you just can’t get over it. One message, get over it!! Kos was out[even for a sec].
Hey RoB, Tito’s nuts are getting lonely what with all the “love” you’re showing to Kos’ pair. Man, you just can’t see things objectively through the man-crushes you apparently have for both those guys. This stoppage was legit along with all the other stoppages on that card. It figures that it takes the regulars on this site (john and Phil) to drop in and “settle” this thing with a couple quality, level-headed posts. Thanks guys.
haha, what are you talking about? I’m talking about the stoppage here not Koscheck, and i don’t bet on MMA so that has nothing to do with it.. a stoppage is a stoppage and that is something they have to get right in this sport, cause a loss just b/c the ref says so can tear someone’s life and career apart instantly… the Dunham – Eklund was a good stoppage minus the last punch that landed and i believe that was the same ref, so i don’t know why he couldn’t have let the Kos fight go on for a few more seconds.. and for the record why i like Tito is b/c he is one of the most charismatic fighters in the business, I couldn’t care less about some loser that is good at fighting
I wonder if this site can take the post i feel i need to make.. cause i could probably list about 1000 fights atleast where the ref has let the action go on for a few more seconds to see what happens.. If all you have to do is to score a knockdown and the fights over the moment he hits the ground than there’s something seriously wrong with that! Mike Goldbere is screaming he is out, when he’s already back on his feets and were already looking to defend or get up the moment he hit the ground
I believe this is only his 2nd fight of his current 6 fight contract so at least 4 more fights left for him.
Okay, this feels weird to me to have to defend Kos, but WTF? The stoppage looked early to me even if his eyes did roll back a bit. His hands went up and it didn’t appear to be the typical Knocked-out-hands-up reflex that we see with harsh KOs. I think Kos was doing great. He never makes excuses and he’s a tough kid. He fights all the time. He trains his ass off. He said GSP wasn’t greasy and took the loss like a man. His stand up improves all the time. I’m done hating on the guy. I think he should have been hit a few times before they called that. I do think he should mix in GnP more often, but it sucks to see him lose that fight when he was clearly a better fighter.
Ko’s had a decent enough chance to defend and recover…. maybe not, but he deserved a few seconds.
We’ve all seen Kos take a decent amount of punishment particularly in the Alves fight. He always shown great recovery time, I think the ref should have given him a few more seconds.
Very good point. He got rocked several times in the Thiago Alves fight. Stood toe to toe the entire time and didn’t get knocked out. This will be good for Kos. He likes to fight and he will be back very soon. The wekterweight title picture is preoccupied anyways. Should GSP get past Alves, he will likely face Anderson Silva. That gives Kos some time to work back up.
I think this fight was stoped based on Paulo’s reaction NOT Kos’s. It was clearly early because we all know Kos would have grabed him in his guard and kept going.
He never got a chance to recover or defend himself, bad call.
The worse case if he really was out is that we’d get to see Kos eat a few when he’s KO’d, sounds like a win win to me.
It could go either way…Kos was beating the heck out of this guy and recovered nicely from Alves but he was out so who knows….Again don’t know why all the hate for kos….he comes to fight and fights anybody.
“The worse case if he really was out is that we’d get to see Kos eat a few when he’s KO’d, sounds like a win win to me.”
lol. Thats some serious hate there, but i was thinking the exact same thing
I’m not really liking how the refs are stopping these fights too early with some of the established guys. I thought Karo and Thiago was an early stoppage same with this one. To be fair I guess in the other hand if ref don’t stop it they could’ve end up like Yoshida just laying on the ground for ten minutes motionless
“he was done all dude would have had to do was hit him again and kos wouldn’t be saying unfair” -randy murders
exactly! so the ref should let thiago hit him! it pissed me off to see that. kos is a veteran and took alot of punishment in the alves fight the ref should’ve given him more time or atleast one more punch.
These are profesional fighters, to assume you must stop a fight that early is bush league. I don’t really like Kos but he puts on some great fights, the fans were cheated on this one.
i think KOS will be a gatekeeper for the 170lb. division.
Just like Keith “Techno Viking” Jardine is for the 205’s.
I agree if he watches the tape he’ll see he was out! I thought it was an early stoppage till I saw the replay. I think Kos’s problem is that now he thinks he’s a stand up fighter. His bread & butter is wrestling. Diego looks to be doing the same thing.
At least Diego still practices the ground game. It sounds like Koscheck’s training pretty much consists of nothing but standup.
well, if the only thing he does is training standup he should know by now that a good jab is the most important punch in boxing.. you can’t just go in wide like that without setting things up! especially in mma when one punch can change everything.. he was overconfident from the knockout in his last fight.. It’s the same thing that has happened with guys like Wanderlei and Chuck Liddell, they’re just swinging wild without any defense! defense is CRUCIAL and gives you the oppurtunity to counter your opponent ala Rampage who happens to be one of the best in biz at just that..
Why doesn’t the freak learn something from GSP. Change it up. Keep the guy your fighting guessing. Mix some wresting with his standup. All the guy does is standup now. He has the physical tool to be a champion, that is unless Georges St. Pierre didn’t exist. Still he has the tools. What an idiot!
Exactly Derek!
Agreed!
hes a f*cking Div 1 NCAA National Champion who was an UNDEFEATED wrestler.
WTF is he thinking!??
He stand-uo has vastly improved but PLEASE for F*cks sake Swicth it up GSP status and take him down as well.
And start watching some f*cking tapes….
He is the ABSOLUTE best (pure) wrestler in the UFC. he needs to start showing that.
his fights should be to take the guy down and wear him out all throughout the first, then stan-up and finish in 2nd and 3rd.
SoCal I agree with your last quote that he should try to wear his opponent out before standing. The odds of him finishing fights would go up dramatically.
I also enjoy how you disguise your curse words (i.e. F*ck) *ucking hilarious.
SoCal, you obviously didn’t see Kos fight GSP or you wouldn’t be saying Kos is the “best (pure) wrestler in the UFC.” GSP completely outclassed Kos at his own game. Kos is a solid wrestler, but not the best in the UFC.
For Christ sake- when he was GnP’ing everyone couldn’t stand him and called him boring and a blanket. If he thought he was in trouble in the stand up he would have changed levels like everyone else does.
Its’ actually what Thiago did (or didn’t do) that is creating the buzz here. He didn’t finish KOS when he had the chance. One more punch would have ended the fight and this discussion.
It reminds me of Nate Quarry vs Pete Sell (I think it was Pete) only Nate finished business.
lol
LOL! Good one Newfie. He got careless and got KTFO!! I personally jumped out of my seat!
He shouldn’t be mad at the stoppage, it was legit. Sometimes they miss those types of KO’s and don’t stop it. He was out even if it was a flash KO, it was a KO.
That foo was knocked out. he should be thanking the ref for saveing him from getting some brain damage
I agree with your statement, but what the f*ck is up with your name?
HA! …that’s what I was thinking. ..and Kos got knocked out. period.
Like I said earlier, when Kos sees the replay he’ll see he was out— he recovered quickly but he was out.
Yeah, no doubt?!?!
Nope. Early stoppage. You are letting the fact that he is a tool cloud your judgment.
This was pretty close and Josh has a reason to complain, The ref usually doesnt stop the fight unless the fighter is not defending and it appeared to me even though Josh was stunned he was still able to defend? By the books the ref made the correct call but usually the ref will allow the fight to go to the ground before he stops it? Rampage vs Wandy, Forrest against Evan’s are how about the Hardy fight the same night. He has a right to complain but the decision was made and on one hand it’s the right call on the other hand it’s the wrong call? On mind right now I remember NOG being rocked a few times like that and win the fight.
Kos’ head was stuck in the air..he hands were on his side, on the mat…he didnt need to take 3-4 more on cable tv..he was OUT
on cable tv? if the rules are gonna change when it’s on cable tv, then they should never have it on free tv…
Kos’s head was up because he was looking at his opponent, and his hands were in the air, as were his feet ready to pull guard.
did u watch the same fight? his hands were at his side and his head in the air cause he didnt know what the fuck was goin on cause he was KOd..simple as that
no newfie, i’ve watched the fight several times now.. and his hands are on the side at first to push himself back up.. he’s actually already on his way back up the same moment he hits the ground, then sees Paulo and holds his hands and legs up to defend..
At full speed when it happened, i thought it was an early stoppage….but when you slow it down, its pretty obvious that the only thing the ref stopped was Thiago punching Koscheck in the face 5-10 more times.
yea his hands were flat on mat, thiago coulda dropped some vicious strikes, guess well never know
No, his arms were up. They were not up to defend but up. It kind of looked like Nate Quarry when Rich Franklin KTFO’ed him.
Not even close, Nate was stiff, twiching and OUT. Kos might have ate a few more, but he did recover fast and Thiago didn’t exactly have the killer instinct. There is no doubt that Nate would have lost, can’t say the same for Kos.
i’ve only seen it at regular speed, but i saw it a few times and it looked to me like he was ready to defend almost immediately after hitting the ground.
No, his eyes were back in his head and he was out completely. He was just made because he did recover very fast. Regardless, it was a flash knockout and should have been stopped.
No, I just looked at the picks on another site and you can see his eyes are locked onto Paulo’s.
yes he was back, of course not a 100% back.. but that was a bad call by the ref, if that’s the way to call then every fight should be stopped after a knockdown.. Rampage would’ve won via KO when he knocked Forrest down in the 1st and Forrest’s eyes rolled back
The one fight I wasn’t sure about was this, maybe because it was early on in the televised portion they didn’t want to let anything run longer than it should. Kos has a little reason to be upset, but only a little. Next time he should try not to get caught instead of relying on a ref to give him a chance to get a second wind.
I thought it was early.
Yes he got rocked and yes he may have been stunned but out… I dont know. I think he still could have hung in there.
I dont wanna see the sport turn into “lets be super cautious” game.
I dont think it was a horrible call, just not the right call.
KOS vs KARO
He Was Out On The The Uppercut And Left Yes, But He Recovers Quick Like We’ve Seen On Plenty Of Occasions,But He Was Out Then Hands Up And Putting His Feet Up To Pull Guard, This Looked Like Shitty Ref’s Most Of The Night… Alot Of Quick Calls Which Our Normal Top Refs Would’ve Let It Go A Bit
Thiago baked him what I like to call a little “Humble Pie”. Good sportsmanship Kos. The high road would of been clearly to say “I got caught” but this guys shit don’t stink so beat up the training room….that’ll show em…atta boy!!!
he lost me £50 bet on 5 fights and he was the only one who lost, i was 100% thinking he would win and maybe some of the other fights were 50/50. no way that was a bad stop, he was out cold. and the guy knew did not even jump on him
I personally thought he was putting his hands up to try and pull guard. He was on queer street no doubt, but I think the ref should have let it go for like 5 more seconds. Joe Rogan did say he agreed with the stoppage though.
Boo Fucking Hoo. Maybe next time he will look up when he is punching.
The stoppage was premature but Kos’s standup is overrated. He leads with his head and throws hay makers that start from his waist.
do you mean look down? the first strike was an uppercut, Moron!
I don’t know first it looked primature to me but after seeing replays i have to agree with ref decision
Only argument Kos has that Thiago just stood there he didn’t jump on him so Kos could recover but we will never know
EXCUSES EXCUSES!!! hahaha
and yea dude seriously what is up with your name cemetary rapist??? i saw something on TV about people like you… please tell me im wrong but i hope your not one of those sick bastards that takes advantage of lifeless bodies….
i dont think the bodies will care too much
It’s a name. I’m not really a dog.
How would we know your telling the truth?
I think Kos has proven himself in the octagon enough times to give him the benifit of the doubt… I feel he was ready to defend… BTW i’m not a KOS fan I was actually hoping he would lose to Diego when they last faught
that’s what happens when you’re too arrogant to bother studying your opponent.
haha that was awsome watching him get ko’d, the ref saved him by stepping in, its about the safty of the fighters..
Kos is just upset because this was immediately after the fight. If he had won, it could’ve put him in line for a rematch w/ gsp. When he watches the tape he’ll realize it was the right call.
ITS RONALD MCDONALD!
i have to agree that Kos didn’t look out. i think he could have continued.
Doesn’t matter what Kos thinks, he already lost.
He can complain all he wants, but his complaints aren’t going to turn into a magical time machine and alter reality.
Move on Kos, get back in the gym and stop leaning in when you throw lazy jabs.
He also should have used his wrestling. His striking has improved but his bread and butter is wrestling…I don’t know why he did not go for a take down once in that fight!
I don’t like Koscheck but I have to agree with him. The refs need to be more consistent. Look at Heath Hering vs Nog. Herring had Nog in a worst situation and they let Nog take a beating and recover to eventually come back and win the fight.
Maybe Koscheck could have done the samething? We will never know.
It was a flash knockout, but Thiago did not go in for the finish. This gave Kos the split second he needed to recover. He was trying to defend when the ref stopped the fight. I think it was a bit early. Thiago also helped his cause by raising his hands in victory before the ref stepped in, good salesman.
With that said, it seemed that the refs were a little to quick to pull the gun on some of the other fights.
Kos was out, period. He was looking at the stars through those glazed over eyes. Everyone who gets ktfo doesn’t realize it, BECAUSE THEY JUST GOT KTFO!!! It’s very funny to watch them argue with the ref after they come too though. “No seriously I wasn’t out, I just don’t remember the last 5 to 10 seconds that’s all.” LMAO!!!
hes a f*cking Div 1 NCAA National Champion who was an UNDEFEATED wrestler.
WTF is he thinking!??
His stand-up has vastly improved but PLEASE for F*cks sake Swicth it up GSP status and take him down as well.
And start watching some f*cking tapes….
He is the ABSOLUTE best (pure) wrestler in the UFC. he needs to start showing that.
his fights should be to take the guy down and wear him out all throughout the first, then stan-up and finish in 2nd and 3rd.
Maybe he wants to stand up because he won too many fights by Decision, which UFC probably told him could be more “spectacular”. Of course, maybe he forgot that “winning” is more important than being “spectacular”.
A winner always fights longer than a “spectacular” loser.
Hahahaha that was the best part of the card, watching kos get floored by an unknown. Stop crying kos, you were out get over it and get to the back of the welterweight title contention line bitch.
The UFC should send a memo to all its fighters:
“We encourage UFC fighters and their trainers not to complain to the media after a loss. It tarnishes the sport and the organization. If you feel you’ve been treated wrongly, appeal to the appropriate sanctioning or UFC body (i.e.: ref committee or judges committee or ombudsman or whatever) for retribution. The UFC will make sure the process is fair and every party treated equally.”
The UFC doesn’t need the yapping tournaments it may have rested on in the past. The UFC should focus on sport legitimacy and respectability. That’s how the sport will reach new heights. The UFC already has all the yapping WWF fans it can get. It now has to focus on boxing and mainstream sports fans.
Like they said, the sport is not boxing, but to be honest, Koscheck could have taken more shots to really justify that it was a TKO. Its not like he was completely out. It wouldnt have killed anyone to let the fight go on just a bit longer to find out.
In my opinion I think Koscheck is right. Could he have defened his self I really think so. The ref should have let the fight go on for a little bit longer. But we can change it so its whatever.
In my opinion Koscheck got screwed. I think he would of be able to protect him self it the ref let the fight go on for a little bit longer. But it is what it is so whatever.
Just glad the blonde headed tool got tooled and schooled, haha I was jumping out my seat when it happened. Bisping is the next champ.
I was calling the upset for the longest time now. I know Thiago had some fundamental striking flaws, but man that right uppercut + left hook combo was sweeter than nectar!..>That’s what you get Kos, for not respecting your opponent! Man that’s like the most basic lesson in fightin’[and in any other sport in general].
Reeeematch. Lets give him another chance to prove himself. Too bad Thiago would never accept that fight and neither would I.
But imagine how hard Josh would come at him.
Bottom line he’s tough and he’ll be back.
i also think it was stopped early. thiago just stood there over koscheck. he didn’t go in for the kill. there’s no way that should have been stopped that quick. if thiago would have pounced, then yeah. but he was just standing there, so i don’t think it should have been stopped that quickly.
ps – does anyone else think thiago looks like the lead singer of type o negative (with short hair, of course)?? LOL
You people are not whining when Miragliotta stopped the fight between Brandon Vera and Werdum and now we saw Koscheck’s eye clearly rolling and his body straighten up like a tree and whine that it was premature stoppage? Men, talk about consistency!
Actually, many people complained about the vera fight. (tho i was not 1 of them)
haha yeah seriously where were you at man? everyone jumped on that.
Without a doubt, Vera got robbed, he wasn’t hurt in the slightest and stood up emediately without a scratch.
The stoppage was early… plain and simple. I’m not saying Koscheck would have recovered and won, but I am saying that the stoppage was premature. Koscheck was never unconcious. He was staggered, and most definitely in bad shape, but not out. If I were him I would be pissed. No matter how the term “intelligent defense” is interpretted, it needs to be done consistently. You can’t stop some fights after a flash KO, but not stop others. How much would it have really hurt to let Thiago mount him and drop some hammerfists… at least we would know who the winner really was.
Here’s one thing I know for a fact, refs are VERY inconsistence, some refs lets guys get beaten to a pulp and others get hit a couple of times and they stop the fight. Koscheck was out cold for a split second IMO and SEEMED like he could had defended him self as he got up quickly but he was stumbly. I feel 99% certain if thiago jumped on him and pounded him a couple more times there would have been no controversy to the stoppage.
I say a little too early stoppage, let koscheck get hit once or twice. GSP was getting smashed by serra for what seemed like 5 seconds and big john didn’t stop it, serra even looked over at big john and GSP had to tap before he pushed serra off, last stoppage IMO. I think the Koscheck stoppage was a little premature, thats my oppinion. GSP and Koscheck IMO are much better fighters than serra and thiago but I just believe both guys got careless, unestimated there opponent and got caught, it happens.
I hate everything with Koschek and I’m glad that he lost, though it was an early stoppage.
I had a great weekend, however can I just say Rampage is a dick….he was right next to me in the way into the seating area and i asked him for a photo which would have taken 5secs tops, however he would not stop!! It would have made my weekend instead I hate him now!! Then he goes into the vip and takes pics with all the rich dicks, out of order, IMO its his job, absolutely no excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats why I’m a Chuck fan…the dude could be taking a piss in the bathroom and if you ask him to take a picture with you he would just say “ok”
Anderson Silva did the same thing to me. Some of these guys act like they care about fans, but they are like any other celebrity now a days. Bunch of over-paid dicks.
now bj penn and koscheck fans can whine and cry together about how unfair it was that they got their asses kicked!
I agree with the refs most of the time, but no doubt that was an early stoppage.
Same shit happend here just like with Vera. Fire the refs god damnit.
If fights should be stopped everytime someone gets knocked down then Nogueira would have been TKO’ed like 15 times!
I think his TKO was better than the one he dished out at his last fight.
How funny is that?
He got rocked with the uppercut and then swatted like a fly. You guys have to admit that it was brutal looking. Imagine being just few feet from that?
Kos thinks he is a baddass and a little humility is always good for his type. Maybe he’ll mature from this fight.
thats unlikely….now we will just hear over and over about how it was stopped early and he was A OK….My opinion, it was an awesome uppercut and hook, but since he wasn’t “out cold” then I guess if you wanted to really complain you could…this reminds me of Thiago Alves against Kayro…same type of situation.
ive never seen so many dumb ass comments he got caught he went out good stoppage he was not trying to pull guard his hands were flat on the mat and his head was off the mat looking up at his opponeent about to get his block knocked off i agree thiago should have went for the kill then there would be no doubt this idiot lost maybe he shouldnt have been looking past thiago and took him as a serious opponent
high pitched pot-head voice: “you got knocked the f*ck out!”
This guy has had it coming for a long time. Lets face it, if i was the ref i would have let koscunt get his face smashed in a little more. If anything the ref spared him further damage, and gave him another excuse to talk sh1t.
It was the same thing that happen to Liddell against Rampage. Rampage clearly knocked him out. But one of the extra punches woke up Liddell and he didn’t think he was out.
In this case Thiago didn’t need to hit Kos anymore, dude was out. Kos is lucky that he didn’t get hit anymore. Could have resulted in some serious injuries.
Next time I would recommend checking out your opponent. I heard Kos say he didn’t even know what Thiago looked like.
I think this looks good on him.
Not a fan of Kos, but I am a fan of MMA, and if that is all it takes to end a fight, there goes the sport. Early stoppage; fire that ref. “Nathan” has it right.
forget Joe Rogan’s comments for a second, for the most part guys who post on here are educated mma fans so why is there so much controversy on Kos’ loss. I watched the replay of this fight 6 times in HD, kos’ eyes rolled back in his head all you saw was the white of the eyes,he was out and further shots would be pointless, I blame Thiago for being so slow to get down there and beat him some more. i think kos has improved alot but his bread and butter shot is that overhand right, it was only a matter of time before someone picked up on it. kos got caught it happens to the best!
Kos got knocked out his hand raised looked more like a plea for mercy than a defensive position. Well deserved. Kos needed to be put in his place. He lost this fight because he was to cocky looking to stand and land that overhead right, never even went for a takedown. He must have figured if he could last 3 rds in a stand up fight with ALves that this new comer had no chance of ending his night early. WRONG!!
“He’s clearly upst with the stoppage.” Not that you could tell with everything he said being bleeped out. If I hadn’t seen him on camera at the beginning I might have thought it was Dana.
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my bad
Early Stoppage…bullshit ref. There did seem to be a pattern from the new refs to think they were on CBS and not Spike or PPV.
wouldnt be surprised if Kos ends up beating a guy in road rage. his behavior is unprofessional.
He should have studied the tapes, big mouth – aiming for the fences, dumb ass
i used to watch Kos fight JUST to see him lose, but as of late his willingness to step up and fight literally anyone has made me respect him, however, this was his management’s FAULT for taking a fight with little to gain and EVERYTHING to lose….and in the fight game….all it takes is one punch. this shouldn’t have happened b/c this was a poor fight to take, period.
he is a sore loser he was knocked da F his eyes where in the back of his head the ref saved his life he should thank the ref
hahaha Kos can lick my nut sack. On second thought, better not. He’ll like it too much .
that ref was trying out Mergliotta Mergliotta (stop fights even more prematurely than Dan M.) and was nearly successfull. However, Mergliotta had an even more premature stoppage against Struve. No one cares about that cause Struve had nothing for JUnior in that fight.
ok time to straighten this out. it was an early stoppage if you disagree your one of to things. you know it was but you dislike kos or your a fucking idiot. he falls ya he was out for a sec but he was back had his gead arms and guard pulled. and was in no danger. Thiago wasn’t even jumping on it. for the ref to stop it was fucking retarted if you thing it was a fair stoppage your just as fucking dumb.
its pretty obveous that your a rilly smart guy. smarter then evryone else hear. the rest of us are retarts. you shoed us all. some truely fucking grate logic and shit to! thanks for straigtening it all out.
It was an early stoppage. Thaigo should’ve went in and finished, Koscheck was hurt, no doubt, but he should’ve had a chance to defend the “next punch”. In all likelyhood, he woulda lost, but still…..
Kos disrespected his opponent, refused to look at any of his tapes, is cocky as hell……carmas a bitch.
i just love when fighters don’t take care of business, then blame everyone but themselves…
the ref. the judges. the athletic commission. etc, etc.
i like kos ok. he’s become one helluva fighter.
i used to hate him, but he SEEMED to have grown up over the past couple years.
my $.02:
yes, the stoppage was questionable.
the ref had a better view than any camera angle.
judgement call. bad judgement? i don’t think so.
the ref has the toughest job on the planet, with flash KO’s.
- if he let’s it go too long, he gets crucified for not looking after the safety of the fighter.
- if he jumps in when it looks like the fighter may be/probably is hurt or unable to intelligently defend, he gets crucified.
STOP BLAMING THE REF.
kos did not take care of business, plain and simple.
and like a lot of fighters who thinks their fight got stopped too early, of course his first reaction is to “blame” someone other than himself.
this serves as a nice does of reality for kos.
he’ll learn, and he’ll be back.
I agree with John completely.
The way the rules seem to be currently, as long as a fighter loses consciousness at all, even if it’s momentary, the ref has the authority to stop the fight. They should use good judgement, but it is THEIR judgement.
If fighters don’t want their fights to potentially be stopped early, then they have to make sure they don’t go out, even if only for a bit.
The rules are set to protect the fighters, and sometimes that means protecting them from themselves, even if later they’re not happy.
And in the long run, I think the rules are good, and are for the benefit of all (fighters (because it protects them), fans (because the fighters aren’t unduly injured and can continue performing for them during long careers), and the sport itself (it makes it safer, and helps with public relations))…E
The problem is that the refs are not enforcing the rules consistently. I have seen multiple UFC fights where a guy is clearly out. The guy who hit him knows he’s out, Rogan and Goldberg know he’s out, and damn near everyone in the arena knows he’s out. Even so, the ref all but forces the other fighter to hit him again, sometimes two or three times before he calls it. Then you have what happened the other night. The refs were early ALL night long. Fighter safety is certainly a concern but the refs have to see if they can defend. Let’s not forget, a big part of their job is to get hit in the head! Kos looked like he could defend. No way it should have been stopped that quickly!