“I think B.J. is going to be in phenomenal shape and be ready to go, and that’s great because you never want a fight with those excuses. You want two fighters at 100%, that’s when it’s the most fun. We don’t count on B.J. gassing at all. He’s an amazing fighter. I mean, holy cow, that guy’s phenomenal. It’s a real honor for me to be coaching a fighter against him. So having B.J. Penn gas out is not part of our game plan, I’ll put it that way…. B.J. is endlessly creative, it’s amazing. His comfort zone is anywhere he’s comfortable. I can’t say too much, but that makes it a real challenge. The stuff he comes up with on the fly, it’s just amazing.”
– Mixed martial arts super trainer Greg Jackson talks about BJ Penn in a recent interview over at CagePotato.com. The mastermind out of Albuquerque, N.M., is currently putting a plan together for welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre to counter the prodigious skills of the Hawaiian at UFC 94: “St. Pierre vs. Penn 2″ on January 31. It appears, according to him at least, the he has his work cut out for him … and “Rush.”
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St.Pierre will loose this one in my opinion.
It will be very close, fight of the year (IMO)!!!
BJ sub 2nd
yeah, not going to happen. GSP will win, but it will be a war. GSP has progressed more since their first fight, and he is just too strong and athletic.
LJ, stop looking at it logically, people don’t like that here, lol.
LOL! I’ve noticed that.
I don’t care that GSP is bigger and stronger, can dictate where the fight goes, and has better cardio and athleticism, if I plug my ears and sing the BJ song then I can believe whatever I want.
Logically speaking…on paper, GSP should have crushed BJ in their first fight. He also should have crushed Fitch, Serra (the first time), and Koscheck. He didn’t finish a single one of those fights, unless you count GSP tapping due to strikes on the ground from Serra. Logically speaking, GSP is more athletic and has better cardio and wrestling. Logically speaking, BJ has a better technique on the feet and on the ground, and a better chance than your giving him. If you think this is going to be a walk in the park for GSP, think again.
Oh yeah…BJ!BJ!BJ!
hahaha man I almost wanted to applaud utapout.
I’m still waiting for a GSP fan to post a well thought out and plausible scenario for GSP to win. Saying that GSP is going to crush BJ is not what I’m talking about. I’m just waiting for one of them to actually say, “GSP will win by decision after a 5 round war”. Mark my words…that is THE ONLY WAY that GSP will win this fight.
utaptout, I’ve said it before and I will again. BJ will not win a round! There it is in black and white. I’m just wonering if when it happens, I’ll get “okay, you were right” or excuses.
You know AdamG will be emailing out lists of excuses to fellow fanboys. Ovaries – are you on AdamG’s list for saying no rounds for BJ?
Punch, that’s exactly what he’s talkin about. that’s not a good explanation of what happens either. You gotta describe how he’s gonna win those rounds, and explain why u think he will do so.
Put me on the no rounds for BJ list too. This is part of Greg Jacksons plan, to make BJ even more over confident.I said it before and I’ll say it again, there is no way BJ’s cardio will be over 3 rounds better than Hughes’s and Serra’s. Both of them were gassed before 2 rounds were over. BJ’s cardio will never be as good as Hughes’s and he didn’t last long at GSP’s RELENTLESS pace. GSP can go FULL OUT for ar least 2 rounds and BJ is going to crumble. BJ can’t andle dat riddum, plain and simple.
Ill put you on that list Gord, you’re rediculous dude, BJ’s never lost a first, not even to George, we’ll see what this tards plan is in 3 weeks, really i dont give a sh*t, GSP will lose regardless. When was the last time someones plan went they way they wanted it to against Penn if ever throughout his entire career. To Hughes and GSP he lost, but they won in a way that i gaurantee you they didnt plan on before the fight and they went through HELL to get there while once again still losing at least the first to Penn and in Matts case the 2nd, tell me im wrong. AND he hasnt lost a round in 3 fights (i know against LTWT’s, lame argument, Serra was a LTWT and he actually beat your boy, at least BJ is BEATING the LTWTs he fights LoL!) Hes only lost 3 rounds in his last 6 fights going 4 and 2 in that span including a W at 185 lbs over Renzo Gracie, oh yea, 185 lbs, a weight class hes still undefeated in standing 2-0, 2 Gracies, 2 Ws. He gave GSP a run for his money, better than anyone and not with some fluke KO, oh, excuse me TAPOUT. As an out of shape chunk he almost had GSP, get real dude, you’re guys arguments are retarded and laughable, mainly GORD, but thats just cause he likes guys in spandex, anyone like that kind of sucks to me regardless of opinion. You guys dont even give Penn achance, i just giggled i swear to GOD, i cant believe it to be honest, i hope he BREAKS Georges Arm and he never fights again just so when you eat your words you make sure and get your full. BJ BJ BJ!!!
GSP has lost 1 round his whole career thats’s a bit longer than 3 fights. (yes hes been submitted once and TKOed another but he was winning the round to that point each time)
Umm he lost a round to Serra, wasnt dominating or winning that round at that point right, it looked up for grabs to me til Serra grabed it. He lost a round to Hughes in their first fight, he was winn ing this round though i agree but he lost it, period. He then lost the first round to Penn and in no way was he anywhere close to winning that round, you have to be kidding to say otherwise. That one round put him in a hospital for 2 days. Thats 3 ound in 3 seperate fights against 3 seperate opponents all of which you could argue could be LTWTS and 2 of them were and are and Hughes aint much bigger. He beats down SHerk, a LTWT, Hughes a small WLWT, Serra a LTWT, but when he fights a guy his size or stature in ability he decisions them everytime, Penn, Kos, Fitch, and i wish he would have faught more guys than just Hughes and Serra ffor the last 3 years so i could put more decisions on that list, probably Thiago, Sanchez, etc etc. Penn hasnt let it get out of the 2 or 3 round almost 50% of the time in his career and didnt just start doing that, ask Uno, Thomas, Gomi, Gilbert, Hughes (beat him faster than GSP ever did, faster than Thiago as well, and GSP had 3 chances LOL!) Hes lost more than one first round dude, what are you talking about??? And they occured almost once every other fight or two, Penn only lost rounds to Champs while out of shape, or to HVWTs like Machida while out of shape. Your boy sucks. BJ BJ BJ!!!!
No way you could say he was winning the first Serra fights first round, no way dude. I ant say Serra was winning it either, niether were bro, get real, it was dead even cause GSP is a timid b*tch, BJ would have dropped him in their first exchange and out rolled him on the ground like the others, would have been just like Gomi, all over his back til the finish this time, Serra faught a young, sour bout his loss to Jens BJ before, i think after he lost to Jens the first time he stopped taking things seriously cause BJ is a b*tch like that and one little loss and hes a baby about it as GSP has found out = ) But it was even and Serra took it, GSP wasnt winning it at that point dude, no way. Therefore he lost it with no quams, strait loss. period. BJ BJ BJ!!!
Not to mention that BJ has faught waaaaaaaay outside his weight class! What would his loss round ratio be if he would just fight at LTWT and never challenge himself like GSP does???
Adam I’m not going to waste my time to rebut all that irrelevant crap about winning rounds, because winning fight is all that really matters. I’ll just mention a few points where you are dead wrong: Hughes is a small WW, LMAO he fights at 190 (that is a HUGE WW). Saying I like guys in spandex, again you don’t have a clue. The bottom line is Penn is 5-4 against top 10 fighters and GSP is 9-2. GSP has consistantly shown he is the more dominant fighter and in a couple of weeks he will be 10-2 and BJ will be batting .500 (50% is not exactly greatness). You should stick to only attacking a persons arguements, rather than personal attacks, because it just shows your arguement lacks substance.
I attacked you cause your lack of respect for Penn is shocking! And 9-2 . . . Now Fitch and Serra were Top Ten Fighters . . .????? Who is on that list of “9-2″??? When we talk Top Ten lists around here we mean in the world not just the UFC dude. Hughes is there, BJ is also on the list, so so far GSP is 3-1, go on . . . Sherk is Top Ten but not at 170 where they faught, are you counting Karo or Kos or something dude . . . enlighten me please = )
BJ has beaten Gomi, Hughes, + the Hughes Loss, Sherk is Top Ten at LTWT so he counts here, the Loss to Jens was while Jens was Top Ten but the Win over him was not while he was even Top 25 so we’ll just count the Loss Loss to GSP, (Both GSP and Hughes are at higher weight classes, in case you forgot that) Dwane Ludwig was Top Ten when they faught so another Win there, Both Uno and Thomas were Top Ten LTWTs when they faught BJ, both times for Uno, so lets see where we are at now; 6-3-1 with all 3 of those losses coming to champions and 2 at higher weight classes but was game in both fights and he beat Hughes anyways (fastere than GSP ever did with 3 shots at it) And hes beaten 2 Gracies at 185, Top Ten or not, a LTWT doing that . . . Show me another LYWT that would duplicate hes resume there, or fight Machida for that matter, would GSP even do that?
And if MANIA posted the spandex comment without moderation then it wasnt that bad ya baby, sensitive just like GSP huh, you say something and then i come back at you directly with my own comment and now you’re mad at me LMAO! BJ BJ BJ!!!
Its funny that yuo (GORD) point out one tiny thing that i say out of all that, you dont address Serra, Sherk, pretty much everything except Hughes is a big WLWT. BJ BJ BJ!!!
I think St. Pierre is going to Wrestle and ride him. He tried stand up last time and when it didnt work he resorted to take down after takedown not really doing anything but scoring points. I see more of the same. BJ is going to Bust him up standing and St. Pierre is gonna go to the tackle, ride, get up, tackle again gameplan.
I think GSP’s posturing will be much improved and he will deliver much more effective GnP.
I think his striking has improved a great deal since their first fight. GSP mixes his strikes well.
Exactly Ovaries, not too many people have noticed his balance and hip switch when he postures up as opposed to laying in the guard when he GNPs. Also in the first fight, BJ’s jab was what gave him the most trouble. Now GSP has developed his own excellent jab. With his reach, i think GSP will land it more. Also GSP has a more diverse striking skillset but BJ still has better boxing.
Fantastic comment. Your the first person to comment on his hip switch. Also, the heaviness of his hips (his mount position) has improved all around. That’s the kind of thing I usually only hear from a person who actually trains MMA. (That’s not meant to be a slight to anyone, it’s just hard to understand until you feel it) It seems subtle, but it’s extremely important.
GSP loses 2 fights in his career… 1st one he give too much respect to his opponent. 2nd fight was the opposite.
I mean… the fact that BJ gets all the flowers before the fight. GSP will come out so focus and ready.
Overpower him with Two eyes (only 1 in the first fight) to beat that prodigy for good.
I just cant beleive BJ can stand 5 rounds againt GSP. And he wont.. no way.
The only thing “loose” in this fight will be the fake black belt on BJ’s shorts. GSP will neither “loose” nor “lose” this fight.
I’m 100% behind GSP in this fight.
I’m pretty sure BJ’s BJJ black belt is Gracie, even if its not he has proven he has black belt bjj skills over and over, I just don’t think it’s going to do him any good against GSP ^^;
&Uh, maybe his comment was over your head.
Time to fire Greg Jackson, after a comment like that I’d be like “WTF are you on Penn’s nuts for? You should be trumping up my skills, not talking about how great BJ is.”
I like it. Can’t properly prepare for a fighter without being honest. Looks like he’s gonna have a good plan for GSP.
I think everyone knows that Greg Jackson thinks GSP is amazing, but if he can build up BJ that’s only good for GSP. If GSP loses, so what…he lost to an amazing fighter. And if he wins, then GSP becomes…well, better than amazing!
Guarenteed, that regardless of the outcome, the yankers will have a very bias opinion on how great Bj Penn is. Even if BJ literally gets tossed around, beat up, out-grappled and KO’d, well, “he’s not a natural welterweight”. He will recieve the majority of the praise, win, lose, or draw. See the threads and posts after the Fitch ass-kicking. Some how Fitch was heroic, and “stood in there”, what a warrior. It was one of the most lopsided fights I’ve ever seen, but “GSP isnt’ that great, he didn’t finish him”! You watch!
i think gsp lost the first time but this time we’re getting the best gsp vs. the best bj and i can’t bet on this one. may the better man win
Oh REALLY!
Greg jackson is the Phil Jackson (NBA coach) of MMA
I would agree..Couture.. would be Pat Riley i guess.. but Couture is still stuck in fighter/Coach mode.
Agreed
sounds to me like he realizes GSP is gonna lose!
I have a question for everyone, I read a lot of comments and a few “regular” comments make me wonder. I’ve asked endlessly about why you care about salaries, but this question is different. If a fighter uses an elbow, cuts a guys, why do some of you see it as cheap to win by a cut? It’s mma, is he not supposed to use his elbows? Don’t use the argument that you can’t do it in Japan, because in Japan you can soccer kick and stomp on the face of a downed opponent!
Maybe it’s a bad comparison, but I liken it to watching cinimax late night and complaining there’s no money shot, well yeah, if you want a money shot go rent a porno! Maybe you guys can explain to me how a cut from an elbow is a cheap win, better yet, how is it worse than a guy like gray maynard laying on someone for 3 rounds?
I may not seem like a “regular” to most of you, but i read all posts everyday, just rarely post. imo, the elbow-causing-a-cut-stoppage may not be cheap, but it does seem less decisive. cause the fighter does not quit, tap, or get knocked out, he just gets cut, and if the doctor would let him, he would keep on fighting. how bout fedor’s one loss? that was from an ILLEGAL elbow, yet it was still stopped due to a cut. if that fight was in the ufc and caused by a legal elbow, i bet tons of people would still say that fedor didnt lose that fight. just my opinion.
I agree with you say Andrew.. I think the whole elbow, knees to the head of a down figher.. soccer kicks.. stomps.. that whole convo will never make sense to all of us.
I don’t like it when I fight is stopped do to a cut.
Ex: BJ Penn vs Joe Steveson.. BJ cut Joe to the point Herb Dean or the Doctor could of stopped the match.. but it was allowed to continue..and in the end Joe lost via tapout.. but he could of lost cuz of the nasty cut on his fore head.
Vitor Belfort vs Couture 2.. before the fight started it was over.. cuz Vitor’s glove grazed and cut open Randy’s eye lid.. before the fight even got going Vitor was the winner.. and that sucked to win liek that.
Pride I think of Shogun.. and Wanndy when it comes to soccer kicks.. me personally.. I would rather see Stomps to the head.. knees to the head.. and soccer kicks to a down fighter rather then take away elbows.. the elbow is part of the fighters arsenal.. you can not come down with the point. which makes sense.. but I think how we all view a fighter ending is subjective to who is fighting..how fight is unfolding.. and if the winner broke his opponents will..not his skin.. this will always be up for debate.
I don’t know if people think it’s cheap Kev. I think it’s just a dissapointment. Most fighters don’t want to win that way. Most guys will want to continue and be capable of continuing, but be forced to stop. That’s disatisfying for the winner, the loser, and the fans. It’s unreal how much blood loss it takes to actually stop someone. I don’t like it from an image standpoint. So many viewers see it as violent even though the non-bloody stuff can have a more devistating effect on the body. I also don’t like that nasty cuts keep guys out for a while. I wouldn’t want to see elbows go away, but I don’t like when a fighter is going for a cut stoppage.
You’d have to be an incredible douchebag to believe that these comments indicate that Jackson thinks GSP is going to lose.
It’s pretty plain what he means. BJ is a great fighter, and Jackson wants and expects BJ to be in shape so that there aren’t more excuses from Penn nuthuggers this time.
obviously GSP’s “coach” doesn’t think that! I was being “funny!”
Agreed. Except the douchebag part, I don’t like to name call. I think that Jackson does want and expect BJ to be in great shape. If I were planning to fight someone I would want to set up a plan based on BJ gassing and then go into the 4th round and he’s still in good shape. It would be foolish to base your plan on BJ running out of steam.
would not want to…correction.
I don’t think that GSP should plan on BJ gassing, but he should still push the pace and give him every opportunity to do so. I think that’s what Sean Sherk did wrong in his fight with BJ. He kept it on the feet where he was at a clear disadvantage instead of making BJ work to defend takedowns and get off his back. I don’t think that fight showed much in terms of BJ’s cardio because it was a kickboxing match that didn’t require him to exert himself in any scrambles.
Kevin,
I too think that it is part of the sport. Look, in football if you lose by a field goal with time expiring in the 4th qtr., you still lose. Moreover, the objective of this sport is not to permanently damage your opponent. A doctor stoppage could save a guy his career. It is not always the most exciting way for a fight to end, but I would rather see a guy live to fight another day.
I am ok with the “elbow cut” if it hits and opens up a cut and the fight is stoped the fighter who made the hit is the clear winner, what is the differance if the fight is on the ground and in the first 30 seconds an armbar ends the fight, a fight ending move is a fight ending move!
the difference is with an armbar, the fighter quits. With a cut, the fighter is forced to quit.
Yeah but, the blood has to be going into the eyes and impair vision. The odd one might be stopped to soon, but for the most part the guy clearly can’t see properly and is talking a beating because of it and he would get KTFO sooner rather than later anyhow. It’s a legit way to win, just like all the fights stopped do to a cut by knee or punch.
I’m not saying I don’t think it’s legit, just that’s it’s dissapointing IMO.
as longh as the rule applies to both fighters i dont see a problw with it
gsp could lose this fight because of a cut and i don’t think bj could. thats gotta be a big factor in the result of the fight as well because bj’s skin for what ever reason seems to rarely ever show damage and gsp cuts, brusies and swells much easier.
I’m going with B.J. on this one! Awesome fight though and I can’t wait! Hats off to Greg Jackson for being realistic about the situation and not just trying to “side with his fighter!”
“His comfort zone is anywhere he’s comfortable.” dont know if i’m if full agreement.
Do you know who BJ Penn is? Have you watched any of his fights. The point stands if Penn is standing he’s got some fast strong hands and a strong chin. If the fight goes to the ground and he some how fell on his back he can still prevent you from doing any real damage… unless is ribs are broken. And if the fight goes to the ground you better pray Penn is not on top. Penn has KO’d Franklin, gone to a decision with Lyoto, and owned the LW and MW belts (not simultaneously yet). I think its an understatement to say BJ is comfortable where ever a fight goes.
I think a lot of people forget that at the end of the last fight after he was totally gassed BJ still almost gogoed GSP from his back.
Jackson puts together great game plans, but BJ’s ability to adapt and get out of or avoid bad situations is unmatched. His TD defense is ridiclous. GSP may be able to hold him down for 5 rounds and win a decision, but I just don’t see it happening. BJ FTW!!!
I think people may “forget” that because Penn was never close to getting the gogoplata on GSP. He was trying to maneuver his foot under the chin for the gogo, but only pulled down on GSP’s head (which is what you have to do to finish it) for about 3 seconds. That’s not even close. GSP then treated him with an elbow and passed to half guard on Penn’s left side and then time expired.
What is unmatched is GSP’s ability to mix elite wrestling, striking, GNP, and submission skills, and do it repeatedly against the best WWs in the world.
Exactly… Look what he did at the very end of the fight when he was half dead from lack of oxygen. Imagine what he will be able to do when the gas tank is no longer a problem.
Fitch and Kos, yes. Serra and Hughes, no.
Penn has KO’d Franklin?? they never fought.
lol no doubt man I just thought of that Lyoto ko’d Franklin
Yes Sir..= )
a small detail, but BJ had the WW belt…not the MW
Anyone who’s near Albuquerque for the fight is invited to my place to watch BJ take his beating. We could also take a tour of Jackson’s gym. I’ve lived here a long time and I’ve never stopped in although by buddy trains there and says they don’t really keep the pro’s all that separated.
AdamG, get a plane ticket.
What you mean u not in full agreement? If BJ wants to fight standing he will. If he want to fight on ground he will. He is good at both. I dont think this fight BJ will be the one making that choice though, but no matter where GSP takes it BJ will be better.
Jackson’s quote will generate 120+ comments. And GSP will win this one, but it will no doubt be one of those great fights
In a fight like this, where the fighters are so evenly matched, the ref could make the difference. I hope Yves L. is the man for this one. Last thing we want as fans is a quick stoppage or bad judgement call to end the fight.
GSP by ‘GNP’.
I think adam G wrote and said all this. he calls bj “amazing” a lil too much lol
GSP
Kevin- just wanted to make sure you saw that your question got at least one humble answer, so i’ll re post this:
I may not seem like a “regular” to most of you, but i read all posts everyday, just rarely post. imo, the elbow-causing-a-cut-stoppage may not be cheap, but it does seem less decisive. cause the fighter does not quit, tap, or get knocked out, he just gets cut, and if the doctor would let him, he would keep on fighting. how bout fedor’s one loss? that was from an ILLEGAL elbow, yet it was still stopped due to a cut. if that fight was in the ufc and caused by a legal elbow, i bet tons of people would still say that fedor didnt lose that fight. just my opinion.
I saw it buddy, I don’t worry too much about responses, I know I’ll get some. Thanks for your opinion! Sorry I didn’t write back to you guys, I slept all day!
war gsp!
I love when Kevin and others say stupid things like “sounds to me like he realizes GSP is gonna lose”. It seems to me that when haters say this stuff GSP goes out and destroys his enemy. Same sh*t was said prior to the Fitch fight; some of these clowns actually said GSP looked scared at the weigh in. Keep it coming lads, just don’t cry too much when GSP TKOs your boy in the 4th.
lol, obviosly he doesn’t think that, I was making a joke! a fighter or coach isn’t going to come out and say “where going to kill him!” sorry some of you didn’t realize I was being sarcastic, most of you got it, but a few didn’t!
so how is saying “dont cry too much when GSP TKOs your boy in the 4th” any stupider than saying “sounds like gsp knows hes gonnna lose”? im pulling for GSP in this one but fans are gonna post things supporting their fighter. thats why this site exists.
Pretty much summed up what I was thinking. Thank you.
no problem.
I am a Canuk so I am justifiably biased so take what I say with that in mind. However, I will try to be logical.
GSP has improved his stand up greatly since their last fight 3 years ago but it is still not in the realm of BJ’s, especially in the timing department. BJ won the Brazilian mundials at 20 years of age and we’ve all seen his ground wizardry. So I am also giving him a sizable edge in this department.
Wrestling is clearly GSP’s world, he has shown that he can handle Hughes and Kos in that area and despite BJ’s ground brilliance, it’s performed via BJJ skills, not wrestling. However BJ’s take down defense is legendary, not dramatically different from GSP’s level.
GSP’s pure strength is a huge advantage, he has such smothering ground control, which is utilized by excellent BJJ coupled with top top wrestling. Strength is a factor that doesn’t get its due. We all know that strength means nothing if there is no technique but when there is the technique that GSP brings in conjunction with his strength, it’s a formidable challenge for anyone, even including BJ. An above poster commented that even gassed, BJ almost gogoed GSP. There is a big difference from a good sub attempt and almost gogoing somebody. BJ had a good gogo going but GSP was nowhere close to being subbed.
Muay Thai. You have to give GSP the edge here. His strength in the clinch will be an advantage and he should be able to generate more offense than BJ here.
Willpower/heart/guts. Don’t give me that crap. They both want it and there will be no “mental” breakdown. These guys are pros.
Gas tank. BJ’s training like crazy I’m sure but come the 4th and 5th round, no way he’ll be at GSP’s level. GSP’s riddum will still be going strong in the 5th. BJ’s not so likely.
If I were GSP or I was responsible for making his game plan, well I guess for sure he’d lose. It’s just not my biz however I’m allowed to have some beers and talk with the guys about it. I would stay the hell away from BJ’s boxing, wouldn’t throw kicks too much to avoid being jumped by BJ and getting underneath him. I would muscle him to the cage and dirty box him using my Superior strength and take down defense. Beyond that, I’m not Greg Jackson so I have no idea.
After all that, I believe and hope to hell GSP wins and hope it’s the fight of the year. That and I’m quite drunk now so it’s all I can think of. I have some more shite to provide but it’s just below the level of my drunkeness and I can’t seem to squeeze it out of my brain.
A good gogo going. That’s a lot of go’s…haha. Good analysis, I think GSP’s striking will be better than it was and they’ll be pretty close to even in this fight, but I agree with a lot of stuff you said.
Seems like a very logical post for your current state. I’m stuck in the office so have another for me. Cheers.
WAR BJ!!
If randy couldn’t keep bj down then i don’t see st. pierre being able to keep bj down if bj doesn’t want to be down. I also don’t think st. pierre is stronger…again, based on what bigger guys have said that have rolled with penn. Randy says that penn is much stronger than he looks. In the fight with lyoto penn didn’t look like he was at a disadvantage based on size or strength. Maybe i need to watch it again but Penn looked out of shape and he still thoroughly impressed me in that fight. It should be a great fight and i’m looking forward to it.
And if you don’t know, you better axe somebody.
It’s nice to see a respectful coach, Freddie Roach should take some pointers from Jackson.
I really don’t see how BJ will win this fight, GSP is a monster… I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
BJ lost to Matt Hughes in his last 170lb bout. He’s got no chance against GSP. GSP better in EVERY aspect.
Yeah a fight that was two years ago, BJ is different fighter. GSP does have a strength advantage, and better wrestling, but BJ’s boxing is better, and his BJJ is off the charts.
GSP lost to Matt Hughes also
And GSP avenged that loss. Twice. BJ on the other hand has not. But why would he since he gets handed title shots without having to earn them?
he didn’t have to avenge anything since he submitted Hughes when Hughes was in his prime…in the first round too!
GSP was geting killed in their last fight. BJ is 2 times better now. He’s going to finish GSP by GNP.
BJ BJ BJ
I’m pretty sure BJ is only 1.7 times better now while GSP is 1.8 times better. This proves without a doubt that GSP will win this fight. Haha I don’t care for your math too much but I have to respect your absolute faith in your fighter.
I just get the feeling like BJ is going to TKO GSP. His going to be looking for that shoot, and time it. I like both fighters, but BJ’s boxing is scary right now.
I agree with what most of what you said drunken Nepal except ” If I were GSP or I was responsible for making his game plan, well I guess for sure he’d lose.”
I doubt that, I’m sure jackson helps but look how he helped jardine and diego sanchez. Gsp is the reason he wins, and its his rededication to the sport which is why he’s gone on a tear.
After such a humiliating loss to serra I can see why he started to take things much more seriously and change who he was working with. I think people are giving Mr.wizard jackson WAY too much credit. Jackson is always very respectful and complimentary to his fighters opponents and never underestimates them he said some similar things about jon fitch, and look how competitive that fight was LOL.
Gsp is a phenoninom and so is penn both are very gifted just in different areas. I highly doubt it will be a one side fight, will be much competitive in the stand up, and one the ground than penn nut huggers believe. Gsp has been learning new bjj skills for almost 3 years how can he not be much more technical on the ground, and he didn’t do so bad against world champion penn on the ground last time.
I think penn peeked years ago with his bjj and to be honest the only real difference I see in him since there last fight is stamina, he looked real good in the sherk fight, and look as good in the third as he did in the first.
Gsp is the one who has improved much more technically how can your not if you go from the different belts in bjj to the next ones?? His wrestling is now considered at the top of MMA if anyone can take down penn its gsp, who will be now a black belt on top on top of penn. I still think penn has better boxing and gsp has the better mauy tia so this fight should be very interesting, a think a lot more interesting and tougher than any fight gsp has ever had.
Bottom line for those who think its a sure thing for penn just because he has better conditioning now are in for a rude awakening. Yes he did gas in there last match and gsp was greener, but now gsp is much more technical and penn has more dedication and gas, it all points out to a pretty even match again, which should make it fight of the year. Go gsp!!!
GSP’s standup is vastly underrated. He absolutely destroyed Fitch standing up. While i realize that stand up isn’t Fitch’s strength, Fitch is no slouch in any aspect, and he’s never been dominated by anyone in any particular facet of the game. When I look at how GSP completely dominated Fitch in all aspects, and considering he completely dominated Koscheck on the mat, this guy is just way too strong in every aspect of the game. I think this guy would give Anderson Silva all he could handle. I know Penn is solid, but looking at GSP’s dominance in all facets, and the fact that he’s the much bigger fighter, i think Penn is in for a long night. Does anyone know the current betting odds on the fight?
Last i checked, Penn was something like +160 and GSP was -170. I think Penn was higher at one point, but the line has moved a lot. IMO Thiago Silva at +250 is a more attractive bet.
“gsp was getting killed in there last fight” LOL Gsp won the fight. In case you haven’t checked ktwon. Penn out boxed gsp in the first 2 or 3 minutes, eye jabbed him and clipped his nose causing all that blood, these are facts not my opinion, the only damage penn did in the entire fight. Gsp controlled rounds two and three doing no damage to penn and winning the two rounds on take downs and control. Please explain to me how the above is in anyway killing gsp??? I’d love to hear it.
I’ve seen that match many times, penn was the aggressor in the first, gsp in the second and third. Penn out boxed gsp with gsp landing several leg kicks, gsp out pointed penn and penn caused more damage(eye jab, nose punch). One dominant round or a lot of blood or a nasty gash doesn’t win a fight, not in the UFC anyways. Sherk was bleeding like a pig when he fought florian but did florian kill him? We aren’t in elementary school it’s a competition with rules based on effective grappling, striking and octagon control, and on a 3 round or 5 round scoring system. Get it, or do I have to write it in braille and shove it up your ass(clint eastwood) ;P
yeah penn gassed early but gsp spent the night in the hospital recieving treatment. bj spent the night up in a dime giving a treatment.
Last time I heard kg it was -210 gsp and something like +160 for penn.
Bj’s fought much bigger fighters, it won’t be a problem. Also Fitch is no Penn on his feet or on the ground. He doesn’t have BJ’s timing, hands, or balance. GSP will be bloody again.
One of the bigger fighters he fought was GSP, and LOST.
He also has two wins at 185, where he came in at 170
And….????
That’s a bummer…..i was hoping to get a better number on GSP. Probably best to wait until fight time, hoping Penn will receive some late action.
I’m not saying GSP can’t win, but he will have a fight on his hands.. BJ will keep coming.
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i got bj in this one, i picked st. pierre before but my guy and heart are telling me penn WAR PENN
Really Parks I thought penn would just stop in his corner like mike tyson and give up and not go to the next round
Freak dude you know what I mean. BJ won’t be mental wreak if he gets in a bad spot. He’s already said he’s ready to die.
ok guys, im not much of a betting man, so would someone please explain the whole +170 to -210 thing? sorry for my ignorance, i fight to make money and i watch mma for the entertainment, stepping into the cage is the biggest bet i make
+170 means bet 100, win 170. -210 means bet 210, win 100.
thanks stevo!
Jackson “bj penn is amazing”…………in the sack. He’s now a double agent.
-he doesn’t question his cardio anymore.
-he has amazing flexablility.
-he can do anything on the fly.
-his comfort zone is anywhere he’s comfortable.
-his name is bj and holy cow he’s phenomenal.
-he’s endlessly creative, “karma sutra”.
Just kidding penn nut huggers he left himself open for that one
i agree with getrawbc and punch you in the ovaries. I think BJ will start the first round aggressive with impressive boxing and he will be in great shape. But GSP will outwrestle him (mostly up against the fence) and control him on the ground, since he is bigger and stronger. I believe gsp’s gnp will be effective. BJ can sub him, but i dont see it happen…GSP will be very prepared, and like Jon Fitch said after their fight…”i couldn’t control his hips…look for the same in this fights. prediction: GSP by decision
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Personally, I don’t think this fight is as even as some people has made it to be. GSP still has many advantages over BJ. BJ’s striking is overrated. He doesn’t use his full reach, his footwork is slow and predictable, and he doesnt use any kicks. He doesn’t set up his punches. GSP is strong in all those areas that BJ lacks in striking. He has been overrated due to his strong striking performance against Sherk but Sherk is far and away from GSP’s striking skills. Also, Sherk’s reach is also not even close to GSP’s.
GSP will control where this fight goes. He is stronger and many in the UFC has said that he is the best wrestler in the UFC today. It’s very difficult to take him down but he takes you down at will. BJ, on the other hand kind of flows with where the fight takes him. Stevenson took BJ down almost every time he shot and he isn’t as strong or as explosive as GSP.
The only edge I see Penn having is his BJJ further increased by his sick flexibility. He is very dangerous on the ground but he will definitely have problems holding GSP down. I mean, does anyone even remember the last time they saw GSP on the bottom position? I know I don’t. Also he has been training in Brazil and received his blackbelt recently. Greg Jackson will have him well prepared to defend subs.
So I hope I made my case.
This is all from my observations and is based on personal opinion of course.
Stevenson never took Penn down. He never even attempted a take down.
Couldn’t agree more Boston. I know there are tons of Penn fans out there, but i don’t see this fight even being close quite frankly. GSP is gonna wipe him out. I’m still trying to figure out exactly what it is that Penn has done that makes people think he’s so great? The guy is a fricking Gumby, i’ll give him that. From the ground, he uses his flexibility to do some pretty sick stuff….but what else has he done? what am i missing? Ever since his “re-dedication” to training, who’s he beaten? Little Evil, Sean Sherk and Joe Stevenson? The more i think about it, the odds for this fight are a pretty fair reflection, GSP is a considerable favorite at -210.
BJ is just SOOOO amazing, STFU get off bj’s d*ck. GSP’s gonna destory this goof and leave him where he belongs at 155 or the WEC thank you BMO OUT.
i agree BJ is wayyy over rated at welter weight. hes only a good welter weight but a great light weight. I dont see GSP losing this one.
Bostonmmajunkie, your memory isn’t so great. I’m a big gsp fan and fitch got gsp on his back after gsp failed with a rearnaked choke attempt but it was brief as gsp shortly after reversed it. Koscheck reversed gsp and put him on his back for about 90 seconds or so, but did nothing with it.
I agree with kg and think the odd’s makers have it about right, -210 for gsp seems fair, but I also know in the last ufc event the top three favorites lost. Forrest was the fav -140 lost, nog was the fav -350 lost, silva was the fav -130 lost, seemed logical enough but resumes and MMA math don’t always work, too many factors involved in MMA.
Shit happens, serra, a guy with not one tko on his resume tko’s gsp in the first round, one of the best mauy thai fighters at 170, cro cop gets ko’d by a head kick and by gonzaga, nog gets finished for the first time by f**king mir???? I was even surprised when gsp subbed hughes, never saw that coming and everyone thought aryanni celeste was a moron for predicting it.
C’mon both gsp and penn nut hugger can’t we agree to disagree, its anyones fight each guy could win, for gods sake if serra could take out gsp, penn could. And if hughes could beat penn, gsp sure as hell could, shit happens.
Only time will tell if gsp handles penn like he handled hughes or serra I won’t think there in the same ball park anymore. Gsp so has hughes number and is a bad match up for him. I didn’t really believe this until there third fight where gsp humiliated hughes. If penn kicks gsp’s ass in a convincing fashion and not a serra/gsp one my hats off to him and I’ll say he’s the better fighter, until then I think there close with gsp having the edge.
VERY well said nathan…I will have to agree to disagree on the edge part (you know me), but this was a very well thiought out post.
Ehhh forget it, too much to say to that crap nathan so i wont bother, i disagree. BJ BJ BJ!!!
It ain’t the size of the dog in the fight… Penn is the one who made this fight happen, he wants it more. Penn wants to kill or die… it’s his religion… GSP doesn’t have that fierce fighting spirit. I pick Penn to win.
It ain’t the size of the dog in the fight…. Penn wants this fight more, he made it happen. He has a fighting spirit that GSP lacks- kill or die- that’s BJ’s religion – and now that he’s training with that focus he’s a true fighting genius. Penn will win.
Hey, I’m not saying GSP will definitely win. Fighting is unpredictable, especially with top tier talent. Guess we’ll all have to wait and see.
You’re right nathan, I dont remember Koscheck putting GSP on his back.
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These are two of the very best both well rounded. Jiu-jitsu edge goes to BJ. Wrestling to GSP, kicks and knees to GSP, boxing to BJ. I think GSP will use kicks to keep BJ from getting close enough to score with the jab. BJ has been working on checking kicks and stuffing the shot. Both fighters have a game plan but I think BJ gets the submission in round 3 or 4.
Koscheck did havs gsp down for a bit but gsp was never in danger, fitch too I think in the end of a round but also was unable to do damage, I just wanna see a finish
I like both fighters and I think gsp will win but I’m good wither way
No prob, bostonmmajunkie, I’m ususally careful about what I write and try to be as factual as possible, and have seen pretty much all of gsp’s fights some many times. I think I have a pretty good idea of penns capabilities, I know he has fast hands and is very good off his back. One thing I’m curious about is if any penn fan reads this do you honestly think penn could man handle hughes,koscheck,fitch and serra the way gsp did? I highly doubt it myself. Gsp is one freakishly strong, athletic dude, something which will be very difficult for penn to overcome. If penn wins it will be on technique alone not brute strength or athleticism. Penn talking about dropping gsp on his head is laughable, I think he needs to finish gsp to win this fight and I highly doubt he’d win a decision in my humble opinion, penn fans feel free to disagree. GSP,GSP,GSP!!!!!!
He beat bigger guys like Rodrigo Gracie, Renzo Gracie and did manhandle Hughes for 3 out of 4 rounds, he beat him faster than GSP ever did and GSP got 3 chances. Not to mention that he fights outside his weight class all the time, GSP would never meet Machida at HVWT and if he did so what cause BJ still did it and is a LTWT, and was out of shape! Come on . . . Factual??? Plus GSP did win against all of them, agreed, and Penn gave him a run for his money (the guy who beat all the guys you just named) (and not just a run, he broke his face bro! 2 nights in the hospital from just one round of damage, imagine if he was just in a little bit better shape. Let alone the shape he has gotten into for this fight, not better than GSP ok, i get it, but he wasnt last time by a long shot either and look at what happened)so what does that say about how he would do against Kos, blah, blah, blah Serra who he already beat like a decade ago in their natural weight class blah blah blah? BJ BJ BJ!!!
lol, his comfort zone is anywhere he’s comfortable?
HA HA ((adamg)) you disappoint me. You obviously don’t know what manhandled means. He “man handled” hughes for 3 out of 4 rounds LOL. In there first fight hughes was on his back most of the fight, penn caught him with a big punch and them rear naked choked him, not manhandled. In there second fight it was a three rounder, the first round consisted of penn stuffing hughes several take down attempts”man handled”???. Second round hughes took penn down and after a couple minutes hughes misses with an elbow penn takes hughes back and almost summits him with an arm bar and triangle choke again”man handled??”. Third round well it was all hughes and we all know how it turns out. Hughes is obviously stronger than penn but penn obviously has better technique. “Man handling means physically throwing someone around and smothering them with top position using brute strength and athletic ability. Hughes/gsp 3 hughes got man handled and so was serra in there second fight. True he beat gsp faster than gsp ever did the first time but so far its 1 hughes 1 penn and its 2 gsp and 1 hughes, facts bro just the facts.
ok, thanks for the def of manhandles, either way, it may be because Penn isnt even a WLWT and GSP should be a MLWT . . . And while he should be a MLWT hes beating, oh excuse me, manhandling guys that should or were LTWTS, lame.
And it was ONE night in the hospital just as a precaution, his nose wasn’t broken and there was no nerve damage to his eye the next night he was out partying with his friends get your facts right.
Again ((adamg)) you disappoint me do your research for once, hughes walkes around 185-190, fitch 190 ish, koshcheck 185-190 lightweights LOL. Gsp walks around at 185 ish, your MMA ignorance is lame, too busy thinking about bjbjbj!!! I guess, I look up things before I write, you should too.