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Let ‘em know Page..
You still have to beat Silva once more just to break even.
nah, move on. point proven. better striker won. ‘Page got more of a future than Silva with the UFC. Silva will always be a draw but never a UFC champ.
Did anyone else notice ‘Page didn’t once ‘howl’ before the fight, normally stops and howls at least once while walking to the cage and then on his entrance – this time only did it after he had won.
thats called nervous, Thats why he never HOWLED.
state of california should be making him way more nervous, lock him up, 18 months and he can howl all he likes up till lights out @ 10 p.m., howl after that and pay the price, good luck dude, your going to need it!!!!!
I thought he was already through that; when is the court date/sentencing??
I could give 2 craps about his legal trouble. When I spend money on a UFC event its to see these guys perform in the cage. I am not going to dislike a fighter because of what he does outside the cage.
MotherF’in WAR Rampage, and WAR wanderlei!
Yea but if he goes to jail then we don’t get to see another Page fight till he does his time. When is the sentencing?!?
yea but if he goes to jail then we don’t get see another Page fight till he’s done doin his time, when is the sentencing?!?
Looks like I’ll have to buy myself a “Free Rampage” shirt..
Rampage is NOT going to Jail! Dana has 1 hell of a Legal team, and Dana is alreday talking about Rashad vs. Rampage for the title… Dana would not give Page a title shot if he was about to get incarcerated.
Rampage will be fine. NO JAIL TIME!!!! U heard it here 1st!
He did howl before the fight. It happened at the weighin after he was pushed by Wand.
-Wand pushes Rampage
-Dana breaks up scuffle
-Rampage does neck slice
-Rampage howls
Daz, you hating to much bro! He got the knockout over one of the best. This guy beat him twice and he got his revenge and a daaaammm sweet ont too.
yea I agree anyone can get caught. Matt Serra vs. Gsp 1
yeah buddy! that was the case!(sarcasm)
RAMPAGE = Best LHW fighter in the world, Shogun #2, Machida #3, Rashad #4….In my humble opinion!
Rampage is the Man, Forrest better hide under his bed, cause Rampage wants him bad! Rampage is going to KNock Forrest’s over rated ass out of the top 10! After that I hope a 2 legged Shogun gets a chance to fight Forrest…..Then u fans ignorant to Shogun, will know what I have been ranting about for so long! Rampage is going to get his title back! Believe THAT! I am a fan of Rashads and I think the world of his skills and his professionalism, But I dont see Rashad beating Rampage. Rampage might have the best chin in the division, Rampage is a better wrestler (not traditionally). Rashad will probably on have speed on his side. Everyone has been wrecking Rampage’s decision t o go to the wolfslair….I always believed that getting out of the states was a good idea. Us Americans need to show the wolfsliar some love. That is a legit camp!
Best possible UFC LHW title fight IMO, would be:
Rampage vs. Shogun!
well John, shogun (who I am aware of who he is and why you rant) has to first get through an aging champion who’s had a long ass training camp. As you know, I got coleman!
Coleman isnt going to fight Shogun. I bet u he pulls out of that fight!
I’m expecting an injury before the fight. Either that, or he’s not training hard enough and he gasses in the first(Coleman that is).
Exactly! If he dopes get in the Cage, its going to be a slaughter! old people cant take so much time off in between fights. Too Long of a lay off for coleman to make an impact!
i don’t see the coleman pick working for you kevin
i am with john i think that the best title fight is shogun vs rampage BUT there its another factor named lyoto after the thiago fight we can figure out i guess
Where will Machida be ranked after Thiago lays him out?
LOL! WAR THIAGO!!!!
Ramage vs Rashad
Sliva vs Chuck
Brock vs Mir
Rua vs Forrest 2
UFC 100?
Rampage is a very good technical striker. I picked him to lose, but he looked great. To be able to put the personal struggles behind him and overcome the things he did, including 2 devastating losses to Wand, I give my props to him!
by the way, anyone can write anything down, if he lost, we’d never hear about the prediction. Thats why clairvoyants are such a sham. I can write 10 things that will happen in 2009 on 10 pieces of paper. I’ ll only show you the 2 or 3 that come true and look like a genius!
He wasn’t trying to be Miss Cleo or anything, he wrote it down for visualization purposes. It’s part of mental preparation. It’s when a person mentally visualizes a desired outcome and walks through each step from beginning to end result repeatedly. Then you write down or say out loud the end result as affirmation. It’s pretty cool stuff if you read up on it and it actually increases the probability of the desired outcome.
I’m glad Rampage is back, I’m still a fan even after his legal troubles but the whole “the first two times I lost the fights were fixed; the first two times I wasn’t nervous; the first two times I had no good sparring partners” crap needs to stop. You don’t see Wand sitting there making excuses like that about getting KO’d by Page. Personally I don’t believe any of that; so your sparring partners weren’t good enough to prepare you for Wandi; yet you tko Chuck Liddell??? With two guys like that in the ring, the winner is whoever lands that big shot first; this time it was Page, the last two times it was Wanderlei, the excuses aren’t necessary.
Your soo right about that.
Is it really excuses or is he just stating facts? From one educated man to another, are you really saying that the quality of sparring partners has no impact on a fighters performance? Seriously? Then you go on to use his win over Chuck as evidence? Hello? You post on this site regularly and you have yet to learn that styles make fights? C’mon dude, don’t let your bias steal your ability to reason. I’ve read some good posts by you from time to time but I don’t know about this one.
Remember Page is talking about a fight from years ago. So even though Wand isn’t making excuses now doesn’t mean he may not introduce new information down the road about why he thinks he lost.
Machine, I agree! I am not a fan of excuses but like u said sometimes excuses are FACTUAL!!!! Spparing Partners makes a HUGE difference. Coming into a fight with a torn ACL like Shogun did, can be used as an excuse, but it is Factual and played a role in the outcome.
Great post Machine. I am not one for fighters making excuses but Facts are Facts!
Regardless of What Rampage says, Facts are simple…SAince 2004, Rampage has been one of the most improved fighters in the world… It cant be a coincidence that he got better when his training, sparring partners got better….its FACT, NO excuses, just reality.
As big of a wandy fan as I am, I do think that Pride helped him out on occasions, like standing him up too quickly. All rampage is asking for is the even playing field that the UFC has given him! Then again Wandy got screwed over in Pride as well, for example the decision lost to Mark Hunt! Wandy had like 8 takedowns in that fight. If that were in the Octagon Wandy would have easily been awarded the decision!
FACT Wanderlei KO’d Rampage twice
pride didn’t hold rampage well wandy knee’d him to death,rampage is the better fighter now i don’t care for the excuses, we could say that rampage never beat wandy in his prime and only beat him on the downside of his career.
Roy thats true enough, it does go both ways.
First off, if we’re talking about quality of sparring partners as in a partner that can mimic another fighter then who did Wandi have in training that could mimic Rampage? Why do I site him tko’ing Liddell as evidence of good training? Because at the time Chuck was in his prime and at the top of his game. You can’t beat 2 world class athletes in Bustamante and in Chuck Liddell and then claim you don’t have good sparring partners. He then goes on to beat Arona and Ninja.
We’re talking about the same guy who, before he even stepped into the ring with Wandi had wins over, Kevin Randalman,Igor Vovchanchyn, Bustamante and Chuck Liddell. Then he fights Wanderlei and suddenly he doesn’t have good sparring partners?? ARE YOU JOKING? Sell that BS somewhere else.
Watch the first fight, listen to the commentary, neither Randy Couture, Bas Rutten nor Damon Perry disagreed with the stand up. Bas Rutten has to be one of the most up front commentators I’ve ever heard, when a fights boring he says so, when a fighter doesn’t even belong in the ring like “Ohara” he says so. He said nothing negative about the stand up; AND in that fight both him and Randy are commentating saying “Rampage should move to side mount, rampage should do this, Rampage should improve his position” After the stand up Couture says “Thats why you need to do more, and to be more active.”
I don’t buy his BS, he’s basically saying that Wanderlei is incapable of beating him, it’s egotistical, pig headed and down right rude. I like Rampage, I’m a fan but when it comes to getting KTFO take it like a man and give the other fighter their due. All he’s doing in these interviews is belittling Wandi’s previous wins and trying to take something away from the guy. Not cool at all.
I’ll tell you why he lost those fights, because Wanderlei stuck his knee in his damn face, thats why. Sparring partners, nervousness and “dirty referee’s” be damned.
Also wondering, if his striking was so behind because of his training than how did he go over to K-1 and KO Cyril Abidi in a kick boxing match?? Maybe not the best K-1 striker but certainly not terrible either. All I’m trying to say is, at the time those fights took place, the two were on an even playing field, Rampage was winning most of his damn fights by KO/tko anyway, that night the better fighter won, and the better fighter was Silva, quit making excuses.
Nevermind, I’m wrong, lets blame the ref’s, the sparring partners and the lack of nervousness on his loss’s; Wanderlei had nothing to do with them. Who the hell is Wanderlei Silva? He’s not any good anyway…
I hope my comments came out clearly. THere is no doubt in my time that out of there 3 fights…the best fighter won every single time. NO excuses but factors like Rampage mentioned do play a part. Luckily in those instances the best fighter always won.
There is a a fine line between an excuse and a reason…. and rarely do people understand that. These are reasons that would hinder anyones training
All this does is belittle Silva, thats all it does, and you guys; John, Machine and Psyqo are just contributing to it. If you’re going to sit here and blame ref’s, nervousness, and training for the loss’s, than you’re not giving Silva any credit for the win. Those two highlight reel KO’s are almost made completely meaningless following this line of reasoning. Thats a damn shame because in my book Wanderlei is one of the greatest of all time, he will go down in MMA history equivalent to a Frasier, Foreman, Robinson, Tyson, Ali. His name will be part of those types of conversations and to sit here and say that KOing Rampage twice isn’t an accomplishment, that he had nothing to do with it and that Rampage basically beat himself twice is a farse.
BTW Machine; there’s definatley a lot less condescending ways to write a post, if your gonna sit there writing little sarcastic bits of crap like “Hello?”, “You post on this site regularly and you have yet to learn that styles make fights?” etc.. then just don’t reply to me, I’m looking to have conversations or semi intelligent debates, I’m not here to sling mud. You can go look down your nose at someone else o high and mighty one.
O’damn…. I am not defending Page, at all. I hate excuses…if these things are in fact truths then they are reasons and not excuses that’s all I am saying….believe me I am sick of hearing it as well.
I hear ya Psyqo, but the only viable reason I can see is “IF” the ref’s were told to stand that fight up and were also told to favor Silva. If thats the case then the wins really are meaningless. As far as training, over the last few years new methods have been developed, there’s a lot of cross training with the best in the world going on, there’s a flood of new talent breaking into mma.
With all that going on your going to get better; and this is where I think Rampage got ahead, he was willing to learn and improve where as Silva really hasn’t picked up any new tricks. The only point I’m trying to get across, is that regardless of training or some feeling of nervousness a fight is a fight, and the first 2 fights they had he didn’t just drop a UD or a split decision, no one was DQ’d; he got straight KO’d/TKO’d; gotta give Wandi some credit here, who else was putting Rampage away back then?
Btw, didn’t Silva get a yellow card in one of those fights?
Did you see that? I think O Damn’s bias just showed up again. It’s funny how you extract the negatives in my post and completely overlook the compliment I gave you. I’ll admit it was a back-handed compliment but it was a compliment nonetheless.
No need to get all emotional here. You posted something with a theory that had some holes in it, I called you out on it and now it’s done. Don’t take it personal. It’s happened to me before and quite a few others on this site. Look for the lesson in it and use that to improve your overall knowledge instead of getting all salty.
By the way, it’s a bit hypocritical to accuse me of mudslinging and looking down my nose at you when you started off this discussion by down-talking a man who isn’t even here to defend himself (rampage).
Yea I’m done talking with you Machine, there went another condescendning post; so you taught me something? I must have missed it. I still think their excuses and in my mind Wanderlei will have KO’d Rampage twice fair and square. Just ignore my posts, I’ll be doing the same with you. Peace.
Oh c’mon let’s not turn this into more than what it is. I’m not going to ignore your posts. You have and will post things that will make me think, give me another perspective and maybe even enlighten me. On the flip-side, I’m sure we’ll disagree on other things in the future as well.
I read virtually every post when a particular thread catches my eye. The more opinions and perspectives, the more I stand to gain in terms of overall MMA knowledge. We have a difference of opinion, nothing more. At the very least our controversy and others helps to keep things interesting around here.
lol, yea I guess I do get a little too carried away when it comes to my favorite fighter of all time. The difference of opinion doesn’t bother me, I can go back n forth all day no prob. It’s the little sarcastic “??” jabs inbetween the facts your opinion is based on that get to me. Lets just state the facts, stick to the conversation and leave eachothers assumptions about another persons intelligence/understanding of overall mma knowledge out of it from now on and we’ll be good. I’m out for the day, you all take it easy. WAR WANDI!
O Dam:I hope my comments came out clearly. The last thing I want to do is diminish what wandy has done. He will always be one of my favorite fighters of all time and would be definetly be included in my Mount Rushmore of all time great. THere is no doubt in my mind that out of there 3 fights…the best fighter won every single time. NO excuses. Luckily in those instances the best fighter always won.
Having good sparring partners and factors like that help make you a better fighter, not cause you to win or lose fights. Wanderlei was the better fighter at the TIME PERIOD! I will never dispute that. He had what, a 6 year title run in Pride. to lose he had to be matched up with Hunt a man who weighed 100 lbs more then him, and I still think Wandy was robbed of that decision. People talk about how Cro Cop KO’ed him but many forget about how Wanderlei out struck Cro Cop for like 5, 5 minute rounds in a semi K-1 style striking match in their 1st match up. O damn, Trust me….I know wanderlei and his whole history, and I am very Fond of the man. Did not mean to diminish what he has accomplished and I appologize for that.
People Bitch about his losses. People tend to forget that most of the people he has lost to, he has beaten as well. Only 2 fighters can say that they beat wandy more times then wandy beat them….Liddell (U tell me that wandy’s 1st fight in the octagon against Liddell didnt play a factor? Not an excuse, but it made an impact on the fight. An Octagon comfortable wanderlei will slaughter Chuck right now!…Other fighter to hold a win over Wandy is Hunt who shouldnt have been awarded the decision anyway.
All his other losses he has avenged:
He is 1-1 against Arona
2-1 against Rampage
1-1 against Henderson
0-1-1 against Cro Cop. 1st fight had no rules and was considered a DRaw, but wanderlei clearly won that fight. Not even debatable!
0-1 vs. Hunt…BS decision wandy should have won
0-1 against Liddell
0-1 against Tito (I always forget that he beat wandy. He pulled a kailb starnes in that fight!
HOw can anyone hate on a guy with this kind of a resume. Moral of this story is I KNOW all about wanderlei going back to the Vale Tudo days. I could Never diminish his accomplishments! I am a DIe hard.
On the excuse topic, on the flip side of the argument. NOt an excuse but a factor:
Wanderlei had strep and a very high fever when he lost to Henderson. Wandy didnt use it as an excuse but he brought it up in an interview. Stuff like that has to be a factor, not an excuse.
THis post was written off the top of my head…NO research necessary so I hope that shows that I am fully aware of what he has accomplished, and u r absolutely correct that he will go down in history like Frazier and Ali and the rest of the greats!
I would like to add something to this conversation, although I think O damn might be done with it…I don’t think Rampage was necessarily trying to take away from what Silva did. I think it was more of an explanation as to why he felt he lost, and what’s different this time that makes him think he will win. In other words saying, “I had crappy training partners, I feel the refs sucked, so on and so forth…” doesn’t necessarily mean he thinks Silva is a chump, just that those things are different now, therefore he thinks he will win. He even said, “I don’t think Silva is the same fighter as he was in Pride”. That sounds like he’s giving props to the guy that whooped his ass to me. Just my take on it. I’m a huge Rampage fan so take it with a grain of salt.
Great post John, I can agree with that %100
WELCOME BACK BOYS i said before Wandy haven’t change anything but THE MMA WORLD have change a lot since his PRIDE DAYS …
QUINTON RAMPAGE JACKSON = NEW LHW CHAMPION OF THE WORLD = 2009
Rampage is the man, I knew he’d own Wandy. Although I picked him over Wandy, that guy is still a beast and there both 2 of my favorite fighters. But I pray that rampage doesn’t have to serve to much time, preferably none at all and that we get to see him fight Rashad, Forest or Shogun
I’d be mad if I was him, being stood up while G’n'P’ing wanderlei in the Pride fights. Pride fed wanderlei lots of cans for easy knockout wins. I’m also pretty sure when they did stand them up when they fought in pride it was because rampage was doing damage and wanderlei was in a bad spot.
When Wanderlei fought Crocop I coudln’t believe that they didn’t stop it when they stopped the fight to look at the cut on wanderlei’s left eye. His eyelid was totally cut open and bleeding a lot and his eye was totally swollen shut. They didn’t want to have him lose by a doctor’s stoppage, though, so they let it go and he got knocked out. There’s a difference between fixing fights and doing what you can to accomodate a certain fighter during fights, like the stand-ups.
it is just like when Roy Nelson was in side control, working on a kimura and GnPing arlovski and the ref stood it up. That was terrible and because they wanted to protect Arlovski.
Also, when Kimbo fought Thompson and the ref stood them up when thompson was completely owning him on the ground, hitting him multiple times and kimbo was doing nothing to defend….instead of stopping it as a TKO they stood them up so kimbo would have another chance to knock him out.
Quinton, still making excuses as to why he got KTFO in Pride. If they were so bad there, then why did he stay? What a bunch of underhanded softballs the guy interviewing him asked.
After reading comment after comment, I am officially crowning mexicutioner as the most negative poster on this site. Congratulations!!!
Thanks. You are the best. You forgot most honest as well.
LOL I don’t know about the most honest award. There are quite a few posters on this sight that are uncomfortably honest. I’ll say you’re a contender for sure.
No that would go to introvert…… Mexi just clowns on Page for the most part…But I am sure Mexi will gladly accept that award
Now I’m gonna go hunting for Introvert posts. I gotta see this…..
I think it was yesterday that I saw his first positive post….
“strickly fighting . com, the fight media on the net” … my ass, I knew the answer to everyone of those questions .. because Rampage has been asked them a million times already. Boring as interview.
rampage stand up is not solid…no foot work always leads with the left no head movement too predictable…..Wandys stand up is even worse always open up the middle never sticks and move and definetly doesnt block after throwing punches.