"Brock Lesnar will never be able to beat me because he has no submission skills. What’s he going to do, knock me out? No one has never knocked me cold. What’s he going to do, armbar me? No way. He is powerful. He is big. But martial arts isn’t filled with guys from the NFL. Lesnar had to grab the cage not to get taken down by Randy Couture, who’s 220 pounds. Lesnar isn’t the phenom that everyone makes him out to be. He started at 30. Have you ever seen a boxer start at 30 and become a world champion?"
-Former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir takes exception via MMA Fanhouse to the recent Lesnar hype heading into his showdown with interim division titlist Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro Nogueira at UFC 92 on December 27 from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada. Mir, who also doesn’t consider WAMMA heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko in the top ten pound-for-pound list, bested a very green Lesnar at UFC 81 after being bludgeoned with mutliple hamhocks. A rematch would naturally be in order if Mir can get past Nogueira at the end of the month. Easier said than done.
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he almost got TKOed but I see his point and hope he’s right
He is right… Brock “Hamhocks” Lesnar will never beat Frank Mir because Frank isn’t going to fight him again. Big Nog is gonna beat Mir and then (hopefully) beat Hamhocks and then Its gonna be Shane Carwin’s turn to be in the spotlight and everyone is gonna stop giving a damn about Brock “I’ve eaten a child whole every day for breakfast for the last ten years” Lesnar. (Hopefully)
it’s called mixed martial arts and thats why i love to watch
mir is a idiot
Mir is a complete douchebag and I hope that he beats Big Nog, just so Lesnar can rip his head off when they meet again
All you fans of Lesnar are the same fans that love KIMBO “glassjaw” slice. These guys are a joke and there is no room for them in the sport. I love Randy but he is in the wrong weight class and Lesnar exploited that. Mir clowned Lesnar and would do it AGAIN!!
Tell Mir that punching Lesnar’s hands with his face made it look like he got a lucky sub last time. And about the age thing, didn’t Hopkins start after he was 30?
I take offense to the remark saying the same people that pull for Brock ,pulled for Kimbo ,hell no .Brock actally has skills and he just beat Randy ,yet people still do not want to give him respect.Kimbo has always been a joke,and Mir,why are you not talking about the white flashes you saw everytime Brock hit you ,if it was not for the ref saving his ass,he was going to be out in the first 20 sec.So he,and all the people that support him,sit back watch him get destroyed by Brock,that is if he survives Nog(which I doubt)
No.. Hopkins started at age 26 after his incarceration. He didn’t start getting noticed until he was like 38 years old and started to make real money
Mir is right, the odds are against Brock in facing a big submission guy, but what he says is all in vain because the odds are against Frank for beating Big Nog. If all goes as it should (granted, in MMA, it almost never does) we will be crowning Big Nog undisputed champ in a couple fights.
Regal…. 99% of us can not stand Kimbo slice…so go back to Junkie or where ever it is you come from!
Mir is only saying this because he’ll never have to back this up. He knows he’ll lose to Big Nog.
what an idiot..how can a pro MMA fighter be such a douche? he doesnt need to have you KOd in order to beat you…its called 270 lb beast on you dropping hammer fist and the ref stops it..thats how you lose
Man, I can’t believe I’m gonna say this, but I hope Mir beats Nog somehow so Brock can knock Mirs teeth all over the cage. Mirs a cocky s.o.b.
Brock Lesner is a big FAT BULLY. oooohhhhhhh i have muscles so i think i am a bad mother fucker. really???????NNNOOOOOOOOO no you are a piece of shit. i hate brock lesner and he is going to LLLOOOOSSSSEEEE! He thinks because he weighs 100000 pounds more than everyone in the UFC that he can come in at heave weight and kill everyone. fuck you brock. Randy is FFFOOORRREEVVVEERRRR the champ!!!!!!!!!! we all know you are a fat bully like on the play ground in third grade!!!!!!!!!!!
Well Ive never seen a boxer start when he was 30, but at the same time Ive never seen a boxer start when he was 30 that worre 4x gloves that was as big as a rhino and as quick as a cat.
100% agreed!
There were guys in prison who started boxing late and became successful. Dwight Braxton, changed his name to Dwight Qawi, was around 30 when he started boxing and he won the lightheavy weight championship.
Lesnar’s been wrestling for a lot longer than the last few years. (And I am referring to his “real” wrestling background).
yeah i think for 22 years brocks been wrestling at high levels
And the Mir shit talk train keeps rolling. Frank, a bit of advice, you first need to beat Big Nog. Then, you can talk about Lesnar.
Where’s the logic in that?
He has to beat someone else before he can talk about a guy he already beat, who is holding a title he never lost?
Exactly, even though Nog will win, and rollover Lesnar anyway. Expect (I’m dreaming of course), Nog/Fedor IV?? That’s if Dana will ever come around and actually pay fighters their due after earning $200 million per yr in just PPV’s.
I actually don’t….Brock is the current champ and he did start at 30, so Mir makes no sense. Not a brock fan but fact is fact he did beat Randy and Randy was still champ. Mir got destroyed by Vera mostly from punches and kicks so he is wrong about the too…….
Clearly Mir “must” have forgotten the fact that Vera knocked his ass out.. TKO…
I remember Vera dropping Mir with a straight right to the head and then following it up once Mir hit the ground with even more punches.. In a relatively “quick” TKO victory for Vera against Mir..
Maybe Mir needs to get his head checked for multiple memory loss.. Brock has an easier chance at knocking Mir out than Mir does at catching him in a leg sub again..
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! mir couldn’t make it past the 1st round against Fedor
he cant really make it out of the first round with anyone
I’m back to being a mir fan!!
everyone seems to already have lesners dick in their mouth, and christening him the guy to beat Fedor! He couldn’t finish heath herring, and he KO’d an old guy who is prone to get KO”D. Not to mention out wrestled by a guy that weighed at least 55 pounds less than him! I know all you guys will say it was a bad stand up in the mir/lesner fight, but you’re the same guys who complain about early stoppages and when someone doesn’t get penalized. Bottom line is this, they were illegal strikes, Brock has improved, mir/nog winner beats him! By Submission!!
Lesnare wins next ime.
Kev, Randy did not outwrestle Brock.
Exactly. Randy couldn’t get the takedown whereas Brock did like 2 or 3 times I think. Now granted, Randy was able to stand it up, but should that really discredit Lesnar? I think not. We all know that Lesnar has a great wrestling pedigree. No one questions that. In all 3 of his UFC fights, he has dropped his opponents with his hands. How many wrestlers have been able to do that with only 4 fights under their belt? Brock nearly got the TKO on Mir just like Brandon Vera did. Lesnar had better work on his stand up if he wants to defeat Nog or Mir because going to the ground is probably the worst thing that he could do with those guys.
I’m not so sure about that. Yes, Brock did get a takedown, but Randy was able to get right back up. On top of that, Randy was able to control Brock and keep him pressed against the cage. Randy would have been able to take him down if Brock didn’t use the fence to keep himself upright. IMO Randy looked like he was wearing Brock down and making him gas, and may have been on his way to another giant upset before Lesnar landed that final shot.
naturalshadow: 100% agreed. The fact that Randy was controlling Brock for sustained periods does in fact mean he out-wrestled him. Wrestling isnt just about getting a takedown, its also controlling your opponent and maintaining dominant position. Which is exactly what Randy was able to do. Had he been able to avoid the KO, I saw him beating Brock for sure because he looked winded and flustered towards the end of the fight.
Yea I agree with naturalshadow, Randy did outwrestle Brock, I’ve never seen someone with that type of size advantage have problems staying on top of a guy 55 lbs lighter and being controlled in the clinch. Couture would definatley have had that TD had Brock not grabbed the fence, both his feet were in the air and he was about to get dumped on his back. And no Lesnar isn’t all that great yet, but if Mir eats another big right hand like in the last fight it’s nap time. It’s hard to root for Mir when he comes off as an arrogant prick.
I just want to add to my post that the reason its such a big deal that Randy out-wrestled him at times is due to the weight difference because it shouldnt have happened.
I doubt anyone would make a big deal about it if they were the average 10lbs apart but it was the equivalent of seeing Frankie Edgar shine against Matt Hammill.
Also, wtf is Mir’s point about Brock having to grab the cage to avoid the take down?? He doesn’t have near the wrestling pedigree that Randy or Brock has, no one’s going to be grabbing the cage anytime soon to stop a Frank Mir take down; maybe the other way around.
I’d go watch some Mir fights if I were you.
Hardonk?
Exactly, “Hardonk?” about sums it up, since when does he have any type of ground game??
I agree with Machine and naturalshadow. Very well said. Randy being as much smaller than brock as he was, controlled Brock much better than Brock controlled Randy. Randy is the man. Still thinks he has the best chance at Fedor, except for maybe NOG, which we have already seen.
VM, you’re crazy on this one! Brock held the cage, and randy controlled him against the cage. Randy definitely out wrestled Brock!
i don’t see anyone else saying randy out wrestled him, maybe it was close but no way out wrestled him.
Watch the attempted Randy takedown carefully. Brock didn’t use the cage to prevent it. He had his hand in the cage PRIOR. The ref warned him. He took it out. Randy exploded for the takedown. They moved LATERALLY ACROSS THE CAGE a number of feet as Brock hopped on one foot. How can he be holding the fence preventing a takedown and moving along it at the same time? He wasn’t holding the fence during Randy’s takedown attempt. Watch it.
After the attempt, Brock stuck his finger back in the cage, and the ref told him to take it out and he did. In no way did he prevent a takedown by grabbing the cage.
Now Kenny Florian one fight earlier, that’s a different story …
I guess we’ll all agree to disagree on this one! I’ll take nothing away from Brock, he’s improving and will be a force for a long time, I just feel he should have finished Heath, after that punch )in the first) he didn’t attempt anything! He had his back etc! He wasn’t dominating Randy at all up until he caught him, and mir beat him! If his learning curve is like they say, he could possibly go unbeaten from here on out, I just don’t see it happening. His ground game is weak.
@Kevin
I see nothing crazy about Randy being able to control Brock against the fence. That is Randy’s bread and butter. He is better able to do that type of control on someone than anyone else in MMA. Maybe even in the world. Randy was an olympic greco roman wrestler.
Also, did you get my myspace request?
@Everyone who says Brock was looking gassed
Bullshit. I watched the fight a few times because of this post… it is simply not true. He looked fine.
KEV. alot of fighters haven’t finished heath. you also have to remember that the herring fight was only brocks 3rd fight, so i dont think he was taking as much chances as he will in the future. as far as mir goes, frank greatly benefitted from the undeserved(imo) mazagotti stand-up.
Here’s a good test of how you view whether Randy outwrestled Brock. Picture the first round exactly as it was, but with Brock as Randy and Randy as Brock. If Randy took Brock down twice, and was on top doing GnP, while Brock briefly got Randy’s butt on the mat for a second, tried taking his back, and was thrown off, then missed another takedown attempt, would anyone ANYONE say Brock outwrestled Randy? No way. They’d say Randy OWNED Brock. It’s only when you filter the action through the lens of “one guy’s 45 and giving up 60 pounds” that you can view it as close.
Pancake; then your saying size had absolutley nothing to do with this fight or fighting in general? It’s not the least bit impressive that Couture at 220 lbs is holding his own and imo outwrestling the 275lbs guy with the wrestling background? Give me a break. IMO Couture should have been rag dolled, but he controlled Brock in the clinch and nullified both take downs. I got no clue why everyone is so hell bent on taking anything they can away from Couture’s performance in that fight. Its just the Randy haters trying to say either he didn’t do anything against Brock or outwrestle him. It’s like putting Matt Hamil or Rashad Evans vs Sherk or Tyson Griffin and then not being able to dominate a 155er in the wrestling department, except there was an even bigger difference in size between Couture and Lesnar.
Pancake; then your saying size had absolutley nothing to do with this fight or fighting in general? It’s not the least bit impressive that Couture at 220 lbs is holding his own and imo outwrestling the 275lbs guy with the wrestling background? Give me a break. IMO Couture should have been rag dolled, but he controlled Brock in the clinch and nullified both take downs. I got no clue why everyone is so hell bent on taking anything they can away from Couture’s performance in that fight. Its just the Randy haters trying to say either he didn’t do anything against Brock or outwrestle him. It’s like putting Matt Hamil or Rashad Evans vs Sherk or Tyson Griffin and then not being able to dominate a 155er in the wrestling department, except there was an even bigger difference in size between Couture and Lesnar.
I’m a huge Randy fan, and was impressed with his performance. I agree he didn’t get ragdolled and “held his own” given the size disadvantage, and may have even won the fight in later rounds. I just can’t agree that an objective viewing of the action leads to any conclusion other than Lesnar won the first round convincingly. The size difference is an unfortunate disadvantage for Randy, but the fact are they’re in the same weight class.
I guess it depends on how you look at it, if your going to score points for take downs where Brock did absolutley no dmg and had no submission attempts fine, but if I’m scoring I think it’s more impressive that the smaller guy gets out from under the 275er twice. I’d give it to Couture based on which feat was more challenging/skillful.
Well, I guess if you want to score a fight on a curve and not based on the action, go nuts. Meanwhile three judges gave it to the guy who controlled.
The UFC isn’t Pride, they don’t give a fighter credit for fighting someone who’s bigger than they are. If Randy didn’t want to be at a big size disadvantage he would fight at LHW and not HW. And I think the takedown gets more credit than the guy getting back up, just like submission attempts are worth more than escapes.
Also, you can’t say Brock vs. Randy is the same as a LHW vs. a LW. Even though it might be the same difference in weight, the 50 pound difference is a much greater percentage of the LW’s overall weight than for a guy who weighs 220 pounds. Same as you wouldn’t be bringing up what a huge advantage the bigger guy has if it was a 400 pound guy fighting a 350 pound guy. It definitely makes a difference, but the comparison isn’t valid.
Amen. Also, where does grading on a curve end? If a boxer with no jujitsu gets his back taken by a bjj blackbelt in the first 30 seconds and spends the rest of the round narrowly avoiding a rear naked choke, are you going to score the round for the boxer, saying “it’s more impressive that a guy with no bjj can nullify a black belt”? Or are you going to be sensible and say one guy dominated the round 10-8?
Size, skillset, conditioning, etc. are all things one guy may possess a definitive advantage in. But that’s THEIR ADVANTAGE. Not something to be held against them in whether they “should have” done better given their advantage.
GREGC. once again, good point. comparing a lw to a lhw is not like brock and randy, not even close.
Pancake: you’r a very smart dude, you make a lot of sense with teh grading on a curve thing and it forces me to take a step back as a Randy fan and try to be a bit more subjective.
However, I think when they say Randy outwrestled him, it is becasue of this: Brock got the take downs, but couldn’t control, Randy scrambled, and got himself out. So I give the purely ground aspect to Brock. But when they say outwrestled it seems to me many are including the stand up clinch, which techniqually is wrestling, greco roman more specifically, and while the 2 were agaisnt the fence, curve or not, I saw it in Randy’s favor the whole time.
So it all depends, I think it was very even, with it slightly leaning in Randy’s favor more and more as the fight went on(besides the take downs), until the big shot of course.
I’ve heard no one say that Lesnar will beat Fedor.
no, where were you the night he beat couture and the few days following that? if you’re new to the site, use the search engine and go back to those threads, then come talk to me!
you think i got time for that?
Because anyone who would say that would be a complete moron.
I’ll say it. Right now? NO but down the line when that fight has a chance of happening Brock will tear that Russian fool apart! The size will be just too much for Fedor and by the time that fight happens, I don’t see Brock stupid enough to follow Fedor to the ground in order to fall into a sub. Brock by decision or TKO. Honestly, I don’t see how more people DON’T see that.
they don’t see it anthony because they know better
“I don’t see how more people DON’T see that.
Because, unlike 99% of the top heavyweights in the sport, Fedor is extremely well rounded. He has much, much better striking than Lesnar, and that is where Fedor would beat him handily at this point (I’d assume Lesnar would want to sprawl and brawl, avoiding the ground game).
Lesnar hits VERY hard, though, and has all the tools if he keeps improving. But we’re talking someone who has easily outstruck K1 caliber strikers, and who will submit Lesnar if that fight hits the ground. So until/unless Lesnar can become a “world class” striker, I don’t see him beating Fedor.
haha word. You had at “Fedor has outstruck K1 caliber strikers”. Not in his peaking of days will Lesnar outstrike the Russian.
i agree with him on the lesnar thing but lesnar is better than him and he would beat mir, and i wouldn’t say randy is prone to getting knocked out he had only been knocked out by chuck pior to that and has face alot of dangerous strikers taking there best shots and not going down.
Agreed with all that, I think Mir is back believing in himself and believing that he can go in there and rip off the first limb available… I think he could. And maybe it’s just me, but I do believe that Mir wins in a BJJ match.
I like how the former reigning HW Champ ( and LHW) and HOFer with 2 consecutive Title bout wins is considered some old guy because he lost!
and i dont see how Brock was “outwrestled” either!?
BROCK/MIR II
i dont get this outwrestled 1st round baloney.the last i looked randy had him up against the cage twice,once with a knee in the air which brock just pulled out spinning randy around in the process with just the power of his hips.ok brock did grab the cage once and apart from getting caught with a couple of jabs he also got top positon so it was an even round.watch it again closely theres no way randy won that round!!!
fix your statement. it was an illegal strike. one strike hit the back of the head. not multiple strikes. watch it in slow motion if it’s too fast for you.
if mir beat nog then we will get to find out if lesnar can beat mir. but if nog wins then we will never know. mir will never fight lesnar again unless forced to.
Randy is prone to getting knocked out as far as I remember he has only been knocked out by Chuck,come on now Kevin, you are usually a little better with your statements
Kevin, you are either talking out of your ass or you haven’t watched any of Lesnar’s UFC fights. First of all, Couture didn’t come close to outwrestling Lesnar – Second: It doesn’t matter that Lesnar couldn’t finish Herring. Herring has only been seriously finished (TKO via strikes or submission) twice in his career. Lesnar gave Herring the worst beating of his life and made his face look like the elephant man’s by the 3rd round. Lastly, I agree that Nog could, and probably will beat Lesnar if they fight because Nog is a much more complete fighter than either Brock or Mir. If somehow Mir gets by Nog, there is no way that Lesnar would lose the second time around. He would win by complete destruction in the 1st.
agreed kevin…. brock lesnar=way overrated
I agree and for someone to have the belt after only a few fights is almost an insult to the guys that have been in the business for a long time. Brock will most likely loose in his next fight.
lol you mean lose or that the belt is loose around his waist?
No i dont see his point since he said “He started at 30. Have you ever seen a boxer start at 30 and become a world champion?” because firstly its MMA not boxing where anything can happen and second hes implying that lesnar will not amount to anything when he already IS thee world champion!?
Frank Mir, quick question for you. When did Randy Couture begin training MMA?? Oh, really? That old? AND he is considered one of the greatest champions of all time.
Frank Mir is quickly becoming the one of the biggest douchebags in all of MMA and will soon be giving Tito a run for his money.
IF he were to fight Lesnar again, Lesnar would NOT follow him to the ground. He would KO him on the feet. Frank Mir has only truely stood toe to toe with Wes Sims and he nearly got KO’d a couple of times. Remebmer when Mir stood with 215 lb Brandon Vera??? LOL. I was always somewhat of a fan of Frank Mir, BUT ever since this season of TUF and ALL of his comments, I truely hate the guy now.
He is just jealous of everyone (Nog and Brock’s) else’s talent, skills, natural abilities, fame, money, I can keep going…
I think Frank Mir is an excellent commentator and coach. But as a fighter and promoter of himself…he sucks. Plain and simple. He’ll be silenced when he fights Nog. IMO I think Nog will drop Mir and finish him on the ground by TKO.
I think the TUF series made me not like him as well. Even my wife made the comment… talking about Mir “Does that guy do anything other than sit on the couch and talk crap”
His statement towards Brock shows no intelligence. I think he got real lucky with Brock. It could have went the other way very easy. I know it is taken, but Mir is the true Nostradumbass.
Great post VM. I agree on all counts. I suggest yo guys going back to reading this entire interview instead of just the part that mania put up. Its a great read. Mir says that he can beat every heavyweight in the world except Fedor….Then he says the only fighter with a chance to beat Fedor wouyld Be Nog if the fight had no time limit and No judges….Then he goes on to say that because the fight with Nog has a time limit, Mir will win.
This guy is losing his mind! I cant wait till December 28th because thats the day Mir becomes Mr Irrelevant all over again! What a classless c-level fighter!
Mir should be fighting guys like Eddie Sanchez not title fights! What a joke to give Mir a shot against the biggest Warrior in the sports history!
Brock would annihilate Mir in a rematch. Brock lost due to a rookie mistake. It would never happen again!
In his motorcycle accident.. I thought he hurt his knee.. not his head??
A few screws came loose also – happens
I gotta agree. Mir is losing me as a fan. I think the junior highish comments about him being able to run faster, jump higher and pretty much beat him at anything in the world (except Soccer) kinda had me confused.
As far as a rematch with Lesnar, I don’t think it’s going to the ground either. I’m also not a huge Lesnar fan, but it is what it is, and he beat the champ, plain and simple.
…he is not the world champion. Fedor is.
lol. you acknowledge WAMMA?
haha well I acknowledge that the UFC does not have the top heavy weights in the world on their payroll so how can he be the champ?
Nope, he probably just acknowledges EVERY HW Top 10 list
Yeah haha I do and then I take them and their reasoning into account and form my own opinions. That such a crime?
Just because you are the best in the world does not make you the world champion. Who is the best football team in the world? Brazil. Who are the world champions? Italy. Mayweather is not a world champion in boxing (at least I dont think), yet he is the best in the world at his weight.
That’s fair. I would consider the champion of the UFC to be the world champion because they are the preeminent mma organization in the world. However, that certainly doesn’t mean that their champion is the best in the world at their weight class. Fedor is a perfect example.
Ahh I hear you but how can we know for sure unless UFC pulls the stick out of their ass and co promote or at the very least let Fedor compete in his Sambo deal? I just dont believe that just because somebody can beat all the UFC’s thin HW division has to offer they are called the WORLD champ.
Why doesnt Fedor go to the UFC then? What’s a years worth of sambo competition to cementing yourself as the #1 HW in the world. He is the one who is calling himself the best in the world… it should be up to him to prove it.
he already is the #1 hw
I donno about Musket but I believe its because the UFC always wants more than that. If Fedor walks into the UFC and tears the champ apart(not saying he will for sure) the UFC isnt going to let him just walk away and do what he pleases. They own the “champ” so in the end ur not the champ. In the end tho its all shit and wont happen. Just my drunken opinion so take it for what its worth there lad. Cant wait for me boy Franklin to take on Hendo here in IRELAND ill tell u tho.
One question to solve this little yet ongoing debate
If Fedor isn not the best heavy weight in the world….who is??
tHERE IS NO DEBATE! This is the dumbest debate ever. The one thing that is not debatable is who the best Heavyweight in the world is. Its Fedor! Fact! Take a poll of all the fighters in the UFC and ask them who the best Heavyweight in the world and I promise that 85% would say Fedor!
Personally, I dont ever want to speak to anyone that doesnt acknopwledge Fedor as the best HW in the world because if you dont know that Fedor is the best than I probably shouldnt be wasting time talking to!
he’s the best RIGHT NOW because you just can’t make a case for anyone else that betters his case BUT when Arlovski beats him in 6 weeks it will be Arlovski. Am I right? I mean if the Pitbull beats the man, he obviously has to become the man, you would all agree with me on that?
K, so after that and Fedor continues his fall from grace, guys like Nog, Mir and Lesnar, hell even Gonzaga and Barnett (if he ever fights anyone of note) will be in the running now.
hahaha….eeeaaasssyyyy there big guy.
When did this become about whether or not Fedor is the #1 HW fighter in the world? I don’t think anyone in this little discussion has made the claim that he isn’t the best in the world. This was about who the WORLD CHAMP is. It was just a question of whether you can be the champion of the world if you’re not the champion of the preeminent mma organization in the world.
Best organization is the UFC, everyone knows that. The REAL: UFC champ is Big Nog. Fedor literally DESTROYED big NOG the UFC champion twice already and he went on to beat EVERYONE else that has been in his way! No other heavyweight in the world can say this. The only other HW that can even say that they beat Nog is Barnett, But Nog beat him as well.
This is not debatable… Fedor is the best HW in the world, if you cant see that, then u need to do your homework!
UFC champions are not world champions;
There are about 10 other mma orgs which each have a word “World” in their champion’s title – does that make them all number 1’s in the world?
So the argument is that UFC is the prominent MMA org – therefor when they use title “World Champion” it matters.
- Not really – if you dont have best fighters in the world – the belt means crap. UFC HW division is a joke & so is this title contention – until they get Fedor & Herman & Big Foot to fight for title – it does not matter who holds UFC HW belt – as at best they are #2 in the world
I guess he does make some good points, but if the ref hadn’t of “helped” Mir so much in their first fight, there is a good chance that Brock would have won that first fight they had. AND Mir better just worry about Nog right now and he had better be working his cardio instead of his mouth.
Frank makes it very hard to still like him with some of the stu*id sh*t he says. I don’t even want to see a rematch because I think it will be such a mis match in Brock’s favor. He made a rookie mistake… Won’t happen again… It’s all moot anyways because Mir won’t beat Nog.
Brock needs to start slamming people through the matt!
How old was Randy when he started fighting? When Mir loses to Nog he will be back where he deserves to be in the lower level of HW’s in the UFC. Mir is lucky the ref sucked in his fight with Lesnar.
Randy was an olympic caliber wrestler and boxed while he was in the military. He’d been in the fight game a long time and at a higher level than Lesnar. As for Mazzagatti, he stepped in when Lesnar had hit Mir in the back of the head over five times. Watch the fight again if you have to.
Brock would have pounded Mir into a coma if Maz hadn’t stopped him to take away a point for “blows to the back of the head”. He’s singing a different tune that he was right after the fight. Mir thinks he’s so much better than he is now. Yes a couple years ago before the motorcycle accident he was a force to be reckoned with.
Where did you hear that Frank doesn’t consider Fedor in the top 10 P4P?
He said it a while back. However, if you continue to read the rest of the interview he also calls Fedor the best heavyweight in the world and also states Fedor is better than him (Gee no sh#@). Mir is becoming to cocking, Nog is going to hand him his ass.
“He started at 30. Have you ever seen a boxer start at 30 and become a world champion” – ehh i wonder who the current UFC heavyweight champion is.
Knocked out cold… no… he hasn’t. At least not as a professional. Has he ever been TKO’d… YES! as a matter of fact, every time he’s lost he’s been TKO’d. I’m finding it easier and easier to hate this guy after watching TUF. Big Jake has it right… brock was pounding his lights out. If the stupid mustache hadn’t stopped the fight to give Mir a breather, this guy might have been talking through a straw for the rest of his life. I want brock to lose eventually, but not the way he lost on that night. I think brock will win if mir can beat big nog. That’s a big if though…
I agree that Lesnar wont b that big in the end. Yes Randy Couture started at 34 and yes Lesnar is 31 or so but the key difference here is Randy is a smart guy who has survived off his game planning ability and his heart…Lesnar only depends on his size and strength which fade faster due to age for the bigger guys.
to be fair to the Randy argument, Randy entered the sport as a one-dimensional wrestler but he did so when everyone else was still one dimensional. it’s a terrible comparison that isn’t fair to either one.
that being said, i still think brock could do well in the game.
Now we do agree on the “Brock could do well in the game”. I just don’t believe he will be a true champion or even a top 10 p4p fighter. He is the first guy to have freakish size/strength/athleticism and not gas in 1 round but I just don’t see him being smart enough to get subs or sub defense down but hey I have been wrong before.
I think everyone is underestimating Lesnars intelligence…. I am not saying he is Steven Hawking but the guy isn’t as stupid as everyone thinks.
Good, because I don’t think Steven Hawking would do particularly well in the cage.
This is true bout Hawking and I dont mind the big guy myself cuz he can entertaining sept for that god awful Crazy Horse fight but he is simple minded. The mans threats sound like those of a wee lads. Makes me laugh.
Lol….you know what I meant P-DUB
Sorry Psyqo, I just pictured him pushing buttons to punch people and saying ‘take that, you bastard,’ in a robotic monotone.
LMao!
thats sumb dumbass s*^t right there .. ” Lesnar only depends on his size and strength ” ???
In order 2 make the change he has and the dedidcation he has 2 the sport, u would have 2 say he has one of the biggest hearts going around .. he became the champ (regardless of which organisation) in 2 years . Imagine half of theses douchebags showed that sorta commitment .. BJ Penn would be a blackbelt in every style of fighting on the planet with his natural abilities … if he worked that hard !!!
“He started at 30. Have you ever seen a boxer start at 30 and become a world champion”
Brock Lesnar started MMA at 30, but he already had a great wrestling base. He didn’t just get off the couch and say “Hey, let me try MMA”. That’s like a K-1 champ starting boxing at 30. If someone were to actually do that, they would have potential to be a boxing champ.
First off Brock was nervous as F*ck when he fought Randy….anybody who fights Randy Couture in their 4th pro fight the belt would be and should be.I hope if Brock gets to fight Mir again he can magically pull off an armbar and snap it off. I want to see this sequel happen now but I’m going to have to wait because ol’ Murr isn’t making it passed Big Nog.
You could tell he was nervous, that’s the only reason Randy made it out of the first round. Brock would destroy Mir in a rematch and I think he has a very good shot at beating Nog.
There is only one true FACT about MMA. Anything can happen, anytime, anywhere. It is idiotic to say that someone does not have a chance to win. Even if they win by “accident” or get “lucky”, they still win. Would they win 3 out of 5 fights? maybe not, but one is all it takes.
For being a “genius” your post sure doesn’t make much sense. I am assuming you were referencing the fact that I said Brock will destroy Frank in a rematch. Funny thing about this type of forum is that people tell their opinions. Could you imagine how boring it would be if we were all “logical”.
Good Lord, could you see Lesnar slapping an armbar on some poor sap.
If he did that with his gorilla strength, the arm would be in millions of pieces before the victim even had a chance to tap.
I think Mir has a better chance with Brock. Noguiera in most of his fights gets hurt and comes back stronger but i don’t think that’s an option going against Lesnar.
My money is on Nog beating Mir in every aspect of MMA, but I think Mir has a better chance of defending and geting a sub against Lesnar than Big Nog.
lulz @ all the people saying the only reason Mir beat Brock the first time was because the ref stood them up. All that happened was the ref delayed the inevitable. Let’s look at how the fight went down.
Brock takes Mir down
pounds him with hammer firsts
Ref stands them up
Brock takes Mir down
pounds him with hammer fists
gets subbed.
I really cannot see Brock beating anyone with an outstanding submission game. I really do not understand how anyone thinks Brock has amazing hands either. Yeah he out boxed an old Randy Couture, big fucking deal. He’s not going to out strike Mir, or Nog.
good comment, couldn’t agree more!
Since when is Mir a worldclass striker??? Randy would outstrike him all day. And its not like Nog has the greatest stand up ever either. His hands are good, but that’s about all he really uses.
How many fighters has Frank Mir dropped with a strike? Wes Sims and ummmmmmmmm…. Wes Sims?? And he has had more than 4 times the # of fights Brock had. So far in every fight that Brock threw at least 1 punch, he dropped his opponent.
I’m not saying Brock is a world class striker, not by any means, but presenting the facts. I am by no means a Brock-lover but I have quickly become a Mir-hater. I am a Nog-Lover, so you can guess who I’m rooting for in the little tourny.
Lesnar is no world class striker, but the power is unreal. I remember Heath coming to a stop somewhere near Barstow after Lesnar hit him. Let’s not forget Heath was fighting at minimum 260 lbs.
Beeyd, you’re assuming Brock has not gotten any better at all since his first fight with Mir, which is obviously not the case. If Mir happens to beat Nog and has to fight Brock again, Brock will knock him all over the cage. To use your narrative style of their first fight, it will be punch to the face, Mir falls, Brock makes him stand back up, repeat until Mir quits/is decapitated.
I don’t doubt that Brock is getting better, but let’s face it, it takes years upon years upon years to reach the submission mastery of guys like Mir and Nog. Mir even said after the first fight he was surprised that Brock took him to the ground, and he was planning on working leg kicks on Brock. I think if they fight a second time Brock will be hesitant to take Mir down, and Mir will do exactly what is game plan the first time around…work leg kicks, and frustrate Brock, who will eventually again take Mir down, and get submitted.
But all of this is kind of moot, because I don’t think Mir will beat Nog. And Nog has an amazing chin.
It does take years to develop the kind of BJJ mastery that Mir and Nog have, but I don’t think that’s what Brock is going for. I see him more trying to develop BJJ like Sean Sherk. He’ll train to avoid submissions and maybe catch someone in a RNC if he takes their back. It’s often said that it’s far easier to learn submission defense than offense, so I think it’s the right strategy to take.
people say he has good hands because he hit mir and mir dropped, he hit heath and he dropped, then he hit randy and He also dropped, heath and randy have very good hands, not sure about mirs boxing.
i find it funny how before the brock fight, randy is a legend and a top 5 hw; after the brock fight, he is an old washed up fighter.
I always said he was old, I also said (before the fight) he would out wrestle brock)…both are true!
he hel his own aganst brock in the wrestling i wouldn’t say he out wreslted him, how many take downs did he get?
I think this kevin plays with himself too much!
Typical… Caption Obvious says Brock will get submitted by a Black Belt. Very insiteful… His trainers said he was purple belt level before the Randy fight. He is obvioulsy working tons of sub defense and will be much improved by the time he has his next fight. He will be able to power out of most submissions. BTW, the fight will only go to the ground if he wants it to.
EXACTLY JB!!! Before the Brock fight, people on here were claiming that Randy can beat Fedor and Randy is the #1 HW and he’s smash Nog and so on and so forth.
I suppose these same posters are hiding in an underground bomb shelter with all the Chuck Liddell and Kimbo Slice nut huggers.
compairing chuck and randys to kimbo’s nuthugger is messed up mike
so brock out struck and old man , and the old man outstruck tim sylvia , tim sylvia pepperd big nogs face , how does your logic go again? you people love to hate brock lesnar. In reality he is a huge athletic guy who comes from a wrestling backround,which wrestling breeds hard workers and and he has improved in every fight and continues to work his ass off. Nog and Mir are great submission artist but brock continues to get better , works with a squad that puts together some of the hardest training camps and some of the best game plans. i am not gonna sit here and say brock is going to be the best heavyweight ever but you act like mir and big nog will go in there toy around with him and then submit him when ever they feel like it. who ever brock faces will be a good fight, keep watching for brock to improve and then you all can make up your excuses, big nog or mir will have very tough times with brock and will be lucky to pull out wins , my money is on brock lesnar
if i remember correctly randy was out striking him and even cut him but he got caught by his big f*cking gorilla hands
he is not going to out strike mir? he already did, the second one he did not take mir down he dropped him and its mir who would not want to stand with him.i don’t even like lesnar but he would kill mir if they ever fought again
plus, how many times have we seen hammer fists by brook already? all 3 of his fights! and he hasn’t knocked anyone out! YEA hes a real beast!
yeah you’re right……except the fact that Frank Mirr was balled up like a bitch taking shots in the face in a “chick fight”…..point taken.
The fact Frank calls out the whole world is a perfect example of why Karo, Nick Diaz, and the rest of the idiots do it….no one’s paying attention to what they have to say because they don’t belong there. For all the guys it here on Mirr’s sack, remember that this is the guy that just said Fedor doesn’t belong as a top 10 P4P.
I’m not a fan of Lesnar, but face the facts….Mirr got lucky….Herring got owned…Couture got overpowered.
Another dilusional fighter like Chael Sonnen who has been hit way too many times in the head.
Chael is an intelligent dude. And that is being honest. He is one of the most well spoken fighters in all of mma.
He’s also a big baby. How could anyone “intelligent” argue the ref’s decision to stop his fight against Filho? No he didn’t tap, he just scream with a look of agony on his face as his arm bent the wrong way. Then after the fight he bitches and complains “I didn’t tap, I didn’t tap!”. No you didn’t tap, and the ref stopped it, that’s why your arm still works properly. Chael Sonnen is not intelligent.
Chael is very intelligent and well spoken, but I can see why some people think he’s delusional. Hearing him talk about “finding out who the real champ is” between him and Anderson Silva was kinda silly. He is perhaps the most honest fighter out there and I think that rubs some people the wrong way. People don’t like hearing him say that he hopes Paulo Filho has to be helped into the cage by his trainers and then all he has to do is finish him off. But I respect him for honestly sharing how he feels.
Lesnar may be new to fighting but he has amazing timing and quickness. Frank took advantage of a very green Lesnar but I am not convinced this would happen again. I think we learned that Brock has good hands, knees and speed in the transition to take down. At this point Frank has not put enough fights together gain my confidence.
Mir needs to shut his mouth. Yes, I kinda see the points I’m hearing on both sides. I do honestly feel that the standing up helped mir out a bit because the first time Brock was pounding him before the stand up, Mir looked just about done. After the breather, and the second onslaught of hammer fists, Mir looked to be more alert and defending more intelligently, so I feel the stand up DID help Mir.
However, I also agree with what I’m hearing about Brock not being all he’s being hailed as. I don’t know who said he has amazing hands, but he doesn’t. He’s just strong as all hell, so if he happens to catch you, see you in the hospital. He didn’t KO randy because of amazing hands. Randy got caught. It happens. Ask anyone who lost to Chuck Liddell, then ask Chucky himself. It happens. He also does-from what I’ve seen-have a shit ground game, in way of submissions and submission defense.
HOWEVER, he’s still young, and can learn these things and improve. I don’t think he’s gonna be the ‘man to beat fedor’ or w/e crap people are worshipping him with, but no one should write him off as another Kimbo Slice, either. He will be good. I doubt he’ll be a legend, but he has the potential to be great, and probably will be. I just pray he destroys Mir. Mir needs to wake up and realize he is NOT what he was.
Brock Lesnar WILL BEAT Frank Mir 9 times out of 10!!!!Frank Mir is a plug
mir got lucky last time.brock by pound out.
Sorry Frank, but as you yourself admitted, he was kicking your ass until the ref stopped it. Your jits is good, but I don’t think you’ll be given the opportunity to catch Lesnar in a last-ditch leg submission attempt again.
Jeez – I never watch TUF (it’s painful) but it seems that everyone has soured on Mir due to the show. I agree with the general sentiment that Brock needs to pound Mir out and shut him up.
Frank Mir Seems to Tell it like it is no matter how much of a doucher it makes him sound, in this particular instance I happen to Agree With Frank 200%(No Pun Intended) Sorry WWE Fan Boys, Your current Champion is Paper Thin and will soon be exposed, (by Nog,Or Mir, Nog Im Betting) as being in way over his head!!!!!!!!!
WTF is up with all this hate on him just because he was in WWE??? The man wanted to make money and wanted to do it with athleticism, and there’s no Pro Wrestling that’s REAL and pays the way WWE does, so he took the paycheck. You would have too in the same situation, or you would have done a 9-5. Now MMA is finally paying better, so he’s jumping on it. I guess entering WWE immediatly made him loose all his crudentials in REAL wrestling…orf maybe wrestling backgrounds are set-ups for failure… Cos lord knows there’s never been a real wrestler in MMA like Matt Hughes or Randy Couture that ever did anything.
also ken shamrock, dan severn, josh barnet, don freye, tank abbot and a bunch of japanese fighters all did a bit of pro wrestling in there day, im not gonna do it, but some one could make the claim that pro wrestling helped mma get off the ground, at least here in the states. all that aside, i like mir, and think he will shock the mma world! because like 85% of mma fans believe nog will take this fight. nog has two wins, but has looked terrable in the ufc and i’ll take brock to stay champ!
UFC President, Dana White, has confirmed that Brazilian ground wizard, Thales Leites is on the verge of being named the next man to face UFC middleweight champion, Anderson Silva, for his title. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? WHY DOES THIS GUY GET THE NEXT SHOT???
Thales is a great fighter, but he should not be next in line. His only loss is to Kampann, but he has a controversial win over Marquardt and IMO he should have to beat Okami, Bisping, Henderson, or Franklin in order to get a crack at Silva? Does anybody agree with me?
If thats the case, I REALLY disagree. I would prefer to see Maia vs Leites in a #1 contender fight first, its not like Demian ever got hurt in any of his fights!
Although a fan of Thales (2nd or 3rd biggest fan of him on this site, LOL), after seeing Leites’s performance against Marquardt, he simply is not ready to face Anderson.
i wouldnt doubt this beingg the case. This is upsetting to me. I did leave Maia out of the list above. Leites should have to go thru Maia or any of the 4 (henderson, bisping, okami, or franklin)to warrant a title shot. Of course I will watch Silva fight Leites because I love to watch Silva fight, but I would much rather watch him fight somebody who represents a threat to him.
everyone should
Mir’s just pissed because now if they fight again mazagatti wont be able to save him from getting ktfo.!!!
mir is an idiot indeed
Mir is an idiot. He sucks. He was “good” when MMA was young. There is much more tallented fighters now. And i think Nog is going to prove that. Like it or not, Mir got a little bit of assistance from the ref in the first fight. Lesnar would KO Mir in a heartbeat. Forget being a fan of Lesnar, i just wanna see Mir get his ass beat! I see Nog vs Lesnar for the undisputed championship. Mir, you’re an ass. Go away, PLEASE!
And by the way..WAMMA is the gayest thing ever. And whoever acknowledges it is gay as well
nuff said!
um fedor
enough said
also, Mir loses the stand up. almost every time
go look at his record. he does well against submission guys because he’s so good at that, but not stand up. even if brocks is mediocre it’ll be enough to stop Mir’s which is pretty much non existant.
like i said, this dude sucks
Never been knocked out? Vera did a pretty good job to floor him and then gnp, and Vera is only really a light heavy. I think Brock would smash him next time.
Frank, Brock was absolutely whoopin your ass until he made a rookie mistake
Mir can’t beat Randy! Lesnar has come a very long way since their first meeting and will have alot more defense against armbars! And another thing, something that’s different in Lesnar’s eyes, he’s not afraid to lose! He doesn’t put that pressure on himself! Maybe it’s because he was made to lose his fake wrestling matches, or, just understands that it could happen to anyone! But, Mir’s first victory over Brock will not give him a mental edge at all! And I believe Brock will hold on to that belt for quite a while! So, let Mir keep running his mouth! It just means that he will look stupid after Lesnar makes quick work of him next time they meet!
What do you guys want Mir to say? He needs to convince himself of that if he wants a chance to win. Mir is okay. Man, we have this fine line of what we allow these guys to say anymore. It’s like they can either complement their opponent, say it will be a tough battle and that they feel they have a strong gameplan OR we jump all over them. If everyone comments like Arlovski and Wandy, what are we going to talk about?
Good point! I really like Mir! I just have a big mouth sometimes! lol
Notice my post wasn’t a reply to yours. I was talking to everyone. I mean, it’s cool to disagree with what Mir says, but he’s not a douche for saying it. I mean, you have to convince yourself your better than your opponent or you’ve lost before it starts. The guys who show nothing but respect….that’s fine, but it’s PR or simply a humble disposition. On the inside, they have to tell themselves things like what Mir said. Not to mention, with a beast like Lesnar, if you don’t curb the instinct to be afraid, your probably not going to perform to your potenial.
Oh how true. Oh soooo true.
Mir is a joke in the standup, Brock would have no problem finishing him.. in my mind he won by TKO in their first fight, because Mir is a quitter, he has no heart he gives up..
Yeah, RoB I see that too it’s as plain visable as the penis on Brock’s chest!
NFL????
LOL.
Yeah and Walmart isn’t full of people from the NBA.
Last time I checked, any good NFL player earns 10 times what MMA guys make.
let me get this cause your 30 you to old to become a good fighter lol
Mir already beat lesnar!!!!!!!!!!! LMAOOOOOOOO
I have never seen a boxer start at 30 and become world champion but i have seen a mixed martial start at 34 and become champion
5 times
Correction: Mir said Fedor IS the best heavywieght in the world. Read the interview.
I believe Mir. Brock was gassed with Randyat the END OF THE FIRST! Randy should have won that fight. everyone took notice on that. Randy was 220 and he controlled Brock well for a substantially smaller guy.
Randy is the shit.
I tend To Remember Vera Knocking Mir On His Ars Let that fight go another 20 seconds Mir Is out! But hope he fights Hamhocks Again And subs him again!
Brock will eat Mir in the rematch
Mir just keeps sounding dumber and dumber with his comments that are coming out of his fat mouth.
personally i like lesnar i think he is different from alot of the heavyweights now in the ufc it good to have change but he is way to one dimensional to be the heavyweight champion and mir will beat him for the second time or even if nog does beat mir which probally wont happen nog will do the same its gona be like watching vinny an bader fight bader gona wrestle vinny gona break his arm classic wrestler versus sub what do you think is gona happen
I think Lesnar is probably going to be the hardest guy to arm bar….
I hope mir and brock do fight again and brock beats the shit out of him brandon vera style.
A nog-lover and a NUT-lover. haha
I give the advantage for brock on nog or mir. Why? Because of the simple strategy of lets stand up and bang and if you get knocked down i going to let you up and pound on your face some more. Is brock going to wrestle with world class jits guys and make the same mistake again? Hell no! He has bricks for fist and long reach. Mir and nogs boxing is not great in any means. And mir or nog takedowns are really pathetic. They not going to take lesnar down. So this going to be a boxing match and i dont know about you but i pick the guy who has knockout power and reach and speed. Whoever fight him is going to have one messed up face after 5 rounds of being hit by a brick.
Brock’s doubters underestimate his work ethic and his commitment to improve. He WILL be remembered as an all-time- great. Mark my words.
And I’ve still yet to figure out why his pro wrestling job makes him a joke in some eyes. Is Rich Franklin any less of a fighter because he used to be a math teacher? Dude had a job, and moved on. Get over it.
That’s a perfect “caption this” pic.
Mir – “The only reason I went for a heel is because I didn’t want to touch your chest penis”
he’s getting deep throat with that makeshift battle sword.
I think Mir is just trying to talk himself into a confident mode, just in case he does have to fight Brock again. If Mir looks impressive even in a losing battle to Nog (say it goes to a split decision) he might wind up facing Brock relatively soon since he has a W over him.
Of course, he is wrong about Brock having to sub him for a win when he could most definitely KO or TKO him, either standing or on the ground. I didn’t take Lesnar that seriously when he showed up, until he started displaying stand up striking skills. He’s got a good right hand and I bet his knees are going to come along. He hits hard, let’s face it, how can he not, he’s a giant. So anyone that faces him (particularly Mir, who has a weak stand up game) is going to have to deal with that.
Right now, only a couple guys I can think of (Fedor and maybe Gonzaga) could really hand Lesnar his ass on his feet, while not being overly worried about the takedown. Guys like Kongo will be crushed by Lesnar, IMO. Cro Cop, if he wasn’t looking like a shadow of his former self, would be a real threat as well.
Mir would have about a 50/50 shot at him if they fight again. Nog, on the other hand, I would make a pretty sizable favorite.
Id have to agree with Mir, not only are the days of one dimensional fighters being able to dominate in MMA long gone but now the two dimensional fighters are a dying breed as well.
lesnar will not unify the titles and I dont see him in the sport much longer after a few losses
time will tell
Wow does Mir really think Fedor isn’t in the top 10 pound for pound list?
Antonio Tarver turned pro at 28 and became a world champ boxer.
Well this big inexperienced nobody nearly beat him the first time and beat down randy a legend who dominated tim and smashed gonzaga. Mr.nobody also beat heath pretty easily a veteran who almost tko’d nog and made it to a decision and went 10 minutes with fedor only losing to a cut. Lesnar is no joke and I can pretty much guarantee a few doubter will be surprised in the next year. Did you read the article zzz? mir said fedor is the only guy who he knew he couldn’t beat.
Well if brock started at 30 who cares, he’s the champ now, also he’s completely disregarding the importance of wrestling, like it doesn’t count and submission are everything. They all matter equally if anything wrestling is more important, look at the most dominant welter weight of all time matt hughes the wrestler.
never been KOed eh Frank!? uhhhh… how soon we forget our fights with Vera and Cruz… if it weren’t for the ref steppin in… u woulda been out cold alright!
First, Brock IS a monster not just in terms of size (because that ain’t everything) but in terms of his athleticism, the guy moves like a Welterweight. The physics are tough to beat, with all that Speed & Mass.
Generally speaking, a lot of technique can go to hell when you have 270lbs charging you like an angry bull, throwing you against the cage & pummeling concrete cannons into your face. Sure, he got caught in a heel hook, or whatever… but he’s getting wiser on the ground and probably won’t let that happen again. I mean, can you imagine a rear naked choke on this guy? Could you even sink it in? A heel hook is about what you’re going to get on him… or a pinky-triangle or something like that… maybe a “Moe, double-poke in eyes”. But in all seriousness, fighting him is going to be a bitch for anyone.
Frank almost got his block knocked off in that fight. Crazy Horse did get his knocked off (see his face?) from those anvils?
Having said that I think Fedor would finish him.
Can Mir beat him? Mir has to get through Nog which also ain’t easy. The guy is a slow starter and perpetually comes back from the brink and gets the ‘W’.
Whoever gets Brock has a handful to deal with. If Brock keeps improving and gets some Jits, he’s going to be a tough one to beat for a long time.
He’s also good for the UFC as he’ll draw huge crowds. Everyone wants to see the big guys rumble.
I can’t believe this many people have posted comments about this.You people really care this much about Frank Mir? The guy isn’t even a top 25 heavyweight!The last time I post on this site.If you guys think Frank Mir is top notch you wouldn’t know good MMA if you saw it.What A Joke!
by tyler, you’ve added nothing to the conversation over the past week, and I for one will be glad you’re gone. Name 20 HW’s better than Mir! Like it or not he’s probably top 5 in the UFC, top 10 in the world! You are #1…#1 douche!!!
You’re HIGH!
Then don’t post….read the damn comments. Not one person has said anything about Mir being “top notch”
i hope he beats nog so they can rematch, and also carwin or kongo vs lesnar will be awesome
damn mania!! 204 posts. why would mir want to give lesnar extra motivation
For God’s sake. Stop the madness. This argument is silly.
Mir will NOT beat Lesnar if they meet again. Per-i-yud. Brock will be MUCH more prepared for any submissions Mir tries to throw at him. The fight will go exactly like the last time in the beginning, except this time, he will finish him TKO. You’re kidding yourself if you disagree.
Now, Brock beating Nogeira, that’s a tough one…ahhh what the hell – Brock all the way
does anyone else think his face in this pic looks like couture
hey just heard.pacquiao vs delahoya made 1.25 ppv.on initial tabulation in ppv.and would probably reach 1.4 million in the final tally—huge for guys weighing at 147lbs…
im wondering how come it takes tooo long for UFC to realease the so called historical numbers of UFC 91 when it is held 2 to 3 weeks before the delahoya fight–they keep publishing no basis report..Are they holding the real number of 850,000 until such time that nobody’s interested in knowing.because its far from the 1.2million Dana the prophet–predicted…
You guys are on drugs. Brock outwrestled Couture severely. The only time Couture was “controlling” was when he was leaning against Lesnar. Ooh… exciting. If Randy didn’t lean, he got taken down, kneed into dirt, or hit with hard fists and elbows. ALL Randy COULD do was lean. Right, real fighter, there. Adios gramps.
your an idiot
Has Mir forgotten that Lesnar is a wrestler? No different than Koscheck! They both are wrestlers! To say he has no takedown defense is just ignorant. He didn’t know much about submissions when he fought Mir. That is true, but he is not the same fighter that he was then. Wrestlers learn Brazilian pretty fast. I also hope Mir beats Nog just so Lesnar can kick his ass.
I dont care to piss in your cheerios but the odds of mir beating Nog are slim to none, better hope for some hail mary knock out. Same odds go for Lesnar vs Nog. So in short i think the Mir vs Lesnar fight will eventually happen again once Nog unifies that belt, which most likely aside from any hail marys, he will ! Then the 2 who lost to him will fight and their fight at that time will put the ticket sales even higher.
Mir is a chump who never should have won the belt the first time. His ignorance is pretty obvious if he thinks Brock is just a brawler, he fucking man handled Mir in their match but Brock’s excitement cost him.
Mir’s filler title is about as lol as his payday was for the fight. He was an asshat on TUF and his guys got rolled.
wow iv read more than enuff of this garbage…u guys think brock sucks ??…lets look at his record>>3-1….in his first fightin k1 against min soo kim he took kim down in 3 seconds into the bout and made him tap from strikes at less than 30 seconds in….>>his ufc debut he beat the crap out of mir …he dropped him like 3 times and was spinning around on him on the ground..he was exited and got cought.. mir was lucky… 2nd ufc fight he broke heaths orbital bone and toyed around with him for three rounds…and last but not least he won the belt from a under weight old man…i take nothing away from coture at all..he did what he could…but by no means am i riding brock cock..lol…i just often wonder if u guys actually watch the fights..keep in mind brock is about 10 out of 12 in his takedowns in ufc and has dropped all 4 fighter that went in the ring with him..u have to give credit where it is due…
hahahahahaha wrong bitch u got ur ass whooped mir
lesner beat the living shit out of mir he’s a dickhead