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Comment by Jared
2008-11-20 15:31:20

nice to see stephan still on the show:D

Comment by introvert
2008-11-20 15:52:22

I wonder how much he pays Dana to borrow his “name and likeness” for the show.

Comment by BNF
2008-11-20 18:31:56

Fitch is already back in the UFC! LMFAO! What a joke. Lorenzo to the rescue.

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Comment by JV
2008-11-20 18:38:13

Yea, and under the original terms he had rejected! What a f*ckin tool! But the damage to the relationship is still there. He better win his next couple of fights! And in good fashion!

 
Comment by James S
2008-11-20 18:42:24

Joh Fitch is officially back with the UFC

 
Comment by James S
2008-11-20 18:45:44

He spoke personally with Lorenzo fertita and signed the video game deal, still saying he does not appreciate how dana handled the situation.

 
 
 
Comment by NameNotRequired
2008-11-20 15:59:28

I haven’t watched this episode yet but again - McNeil has to go. Seriously that guy sucks TREMENDOUSLY.

Comment by Bojo
2008-11-20 19:48:48

McNeil is a tool, its seems he has a “source” for everything probably better then his own opinion anyway what a douche bag

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Comment by RedDog
2008-11-21 04:23:10

McNeil is a douche but someone needs to tell Bonnar to clear his throat before speaking. He sounds like he’s gurgling flegm when he talks.

 
 
 
Comment by kevin
2008-11-20 16:13:18

other thread too packed, just got home and have a few points:
John, I don’t know what to think! I’m glad you read my posts and didn’t take your thoughts as bashing! I think what gets overlooked is Swick! He’s the deal breaker for me! He called UFC to make sure he was in! Leads me to believe he knew something was up, has a mind of his own, and fixed it! Hey, the AKA has some top ww’s, that won’t fight each other! So what’s next for them?
Roy, I’m not spinning anything! so 80 guys are on the video game and 2 or 3 from the same camp say no, what’s there to spin? And it’s John Fitch! If this were GSP or BJ Penn, I’d say wow, maybe something is wrong, but it’s only a few guys.
Brendan, yes I opened myself up, those guys I mentioned were big stars in Japan, my point was, how many video games did you see them in? My bigger question is, how many video game deals does Fedor have? The U.S market is where it’s at, not being elitist, just stating facts.
Just a background on me (for guys like gobrowns). I don’t live with my mom or unemployed! I went to a private university for business management, owned a business and sold it by the time I was 25! I live in one of the most expensive areas in this country to live! I work for a fortune 500 company that make billions a year!
Finally, Jeff, thanks for your posts, they are by far the best when it comes to business!!

Comment by john
2008-11-20 17:11:51

kevin: HOpefully this can shed some light onto Fitch and Swicks point of view. Most recent Fitch statements that he made to Mauro renallo:

“It’s 100 percent a power play,” Fitch told Ranallo. “Our management team is one of the toughest and best management teams out there. Honestly a lot other management teams look to us as far as what we’re doing and what we’re saying about other contracts and he knows that. So his answer is to shut down that management team.”

“They are coming out and they are trying to break us,” Fitch continued. “They are trying to break Zinkin Entertainment and get us to jump off a ship. They are trying to send a message to the rest of the (fighters) out there.”

“It’s 100 percent personal,” the former welterweight title challenger said. “They are making an example of me because I haven’t done anything wrong. I’m the perfect example of what a UFC fighter should be; someone who goes out there ad lays it on the line (and) fights their ass off. I never say anything negative about the company. I always put a positive light on everything and anything that has happened to me. Even the s— (about) getting left at the airport from the first season of The Ultimate Fighter; not being shown on the main cards; (and) not getting some of the best fights…”

“Dana is saying ‘Oh Swick said he doesn’t care what his manager said’ or whatever,” began Fitch. “No Swick has a special deal with the video game agreements and a some of this other stuff. A lot of these guys that he says he doesn’t have a problem with are guys that got special contracts along the way. They don’t have the same contracts as everybody else. They get special things, which is fine, and I’m not even asking for those things… The only thing that we stated and stated over time is that we don’t want to sign lifetime contracts.”

“(Dana White) said in the process of the threats that they were making about us signing this video game agreement,” he said. “He made those threats. ‘What are you going to do? Where are you going to go? Good luck trying to fight somewhere else.’ This was in the process of the negotiating. This is what he was saying to us.”

“He tries to blame this and put this off on management but my management was telling me to sign this video game deal. But out of principle, I didn’t. It’s on me, not on my management.”

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Comment by john
2008-11-20 17:13:58

GO to fiveouncesofpain.com top fitch interview…. He is getting pissed and saying that Dana is lying and that Swick only agreed because he already had a special contract with the UFC….and basically the situation had no baring on Swick’s special contract! U really should read it!

After you read that interview, I want your honest assesment. weather I agree with you or not, I know you always keep it real, you dont pull any punches and I am curious to hear what u make out of this whole situation after hearing both sides.

Get back to me with your thoughts!

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Comment by James S
2008-11-20 18:40:16

Its tough to say without all the details. Dan lambert, who manages ATT, says the deal isn’t bad. ATT is believed to be one of the other camps that Dana has probs with. He says that the current UFC contracts all include non-exclusive merchandise contracts. If the UFC sells a Thiago Alves shirt, Thiago gets a small profit, but he can sign with other companies to sell Thiago shirts as well. The only exclusiveness is involved in the video game, and the fighters do not recieve any profit. They can’t be a part of any seperate video game. So, john fitch and company can’t produce an AKA all star cagefighter game, which wouldn’t do so well anyways. I think dana’s problem is that they have already hyped this game, and THQ won’t fully sign off until they have all of the top fighters. So by #2 WW Fitch not signing, the only ww opponent for GSP in the game is Alves. THQ has made a trailer, but doesn’t want to dump a lot of production money into creating a full game without having a large enough stable of fighters to make it interesting.

 
Comment by kevin
2008-11-20 18:41:52

the game wouldn’t do well because all the fighters wouldn’t fight each other, just train and spar!

 
Comment by James S
2008-11-20 19:33:30

LOL, exactly.

 
 
Comment by roy
2008-11-20 17:23:45

you work graveyard shift at a wharehouse sit and spin j/k

it just seems everytime there is a difference with the ufc and a fighter or the ufc and anyone there you are making excuse for them.you want to downplay the importance of signing away your rights that fine but what if someone called you and gave you 2 days notice to sign away your rights(to anything a game or chewing gum) for life and said sign it or your out, dosn’t sound like a great company.

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Comment by kevin
2008-11-20 17:58:11

lol, you’re right, I do. I have a 5 year contract in which my medical, dental, vision etc Is 100% paid for! That right there is worth more than a good majority of people make in a year alone! Never mind the fact that my wages are pretty damn goo too! I don’t have to explain what I do to anyone, but choose to keep it real, and like John states, I won’t pull punches! I’m explaining this to you roy, because even though we rarely agree, you seem to have a good grasp of the world, life and mma as a whole.
John, to not sign a contract, basically risk losing 80% of your sponsorship and more importantly, in a nut shell, throw away your career, it’s dumb! Fitch was brought up with many “cup cake” fights, bult a name (though not a big one) and the UFC is the reason why! To compare other contracts to his is irrelevant, roy stated my occupation, but look at my benefit package! Jeff (hope you don’t mind me using you as an example) obviously (I think) has a better job than me, but I’d bet my left nut that he doesn’t have the benefit package I have! My wife works for the government, her package isn’t even equal to 10% of mine! So to mention Swick as an example is dumb, the game is going to have guys “swicking out”, not fitching out!
Like you said before, he’s not going anywhere, but if he is, who does it affect besides him? not me, not you, and not one of the most stacked divisions in the UFC!

 
Comment by kevin
2008-11-20 19:09:22

lol roy. I got a 5 year contract that pays my benefits (health, dental and vision) 100% yes, 100%. that alone equals more than a lot of people make! I make a good living too. I’m an open book, like John says, I keep it real!
“sign your life away?” how? do you really think he is going to ever make another video game as a character? thats what the bottom line was!

 
Comment by roy
2008-11-20 19:14:12

i am just f-ing with you, i am sure you make good money doing what your doing(not as much as me though)and you come with some good stuff i think we just come at it from a different view, i still see you as a dana boy or ufc guy though because you seem to hate on everything else and always seem to side with them, like you said it won’t effect you but why get all involved with the business excuses they don’t effect you either are you a fan of the sport or of dana’s business moves.

 
Comment by roy
2008-11-20 19:19:19

i never said sign you life away even though you put it like you where quoting me, i said sign your rights away and why wouldn’t you look into that before you signed it try to get what you can or have a limit on it, you don’t know where mma is going or where john fitch is going thats say in a couple years mma is bigger than anything and there is multiple games or other orgs do make it or john fitch is the champ or something, guess what all his rights to his name and image in a video game are gone. i am not saying he shouldn’t but i would try not too as well, unless someone forces you to you wouldn’t either.

 
Comment by john
2008-11-20 22:23:07

told u Kev that he would be back in the UFC fighting GOno.

-The mma GOspel of JOhn!

 
 
 
 
2008-11-20 15:58:08

God I cant stand that Hansel guy…. I mean Mcneil…. He is a complete douche bag….. Love to see Florian and Stephan, they actually know what they are talking about and cut up a bit. Stephan just seems to me that he has hit up the Botox a bit.lol

 
Comment by dk
2008-11-20 16:09:19

I love how all the not so smart people say frank mir’s win is a fluke because lesnar was…keyword was winning

listen people, brock’s leg would of been snapped off and he wouldn’t be in the ring anymore, but instead in a emergency room to repair his leg

that is why mir is ahead of brock in real top ten rankings

Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-20 16:40:14

Where the hell did that come from….. Just can’t get off the hate train even when has stopped running. Who gives a F#ck about that anymore, guaranteed if they meet…keyword “if”, the outcome will be different.

 
Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-20 16:40:37

WTF?

 
Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-20 16:47:14

How is that relevant to anything?

 
Comment by knox sue cow
2008-11-20 16:56:20

How is this relevant to anything?

Comment by Anthony
2008-11-20 19:11:09

uhhh it’s a lot more relevant to this video thread than all this Fitch/Dana talk…

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Comment by Psyqo78
2008-11-20 19:29:50

Yeah… but I asked that way before there was any video game talk…..

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jason G
2008-11-20 16:12:09

I’m about to watch but am curious if they mention anything about the Fitch situation? Since they’re just about the only people allowed to show UFC footage you have to wonder if they would mention a story that puts the UFC in a negative light.

 
Comment by introvert
2008-11-20 16:12:57

Hansel isn’t great, but anything is better than Kenny Rice from Inside MMA….that guy makes me want to punch a hole in my plasma before he even opens his mouth.

2008-11-20 16:35:29

Hansel…. he so hot right now…Hansel

 
 
Comment by dk
2008-11-20 16:19:00

on bloody elbow they said they’re talking with fitch andhis managment again…i guess they resumed talks

Comment by randy murders
2008-11-20 17:06:06

the problem there is management, terrel owens had the same problem, randy had that problem for awhile, chad johnson has that problem..

people who deal with it themselves seem to have much less problems, but at the sametime i think dana finally had a manager stand up to him and say no way dude,

why would someone give the rights to them to someone? what if they got his rights and let him go? he could always be a voice in a video game or something…

i hope they make a dana white character on that game so we can punch him in the face :)

Comment by onthebutton
2008-11-20 18:54:44

fitch is back hetalked to the what’s thier names above white and they brought him back

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Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-21 00:04:55

reboltx, the same question on every site? On topics completely out of the realm.

Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-21 00:06:13

wow…that got put on the wrong spot ….my bad.

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Comment by pUniSHment
2008-11-20 16:29:18

**ATTENTION**

For those of you in Oahu who will be attending the GSP/Penn 2 fan rally, it has been moved from the Waikiki Shell to the Neal Blaisdell Arena. Get there early, because the first 2,000 people receive free t-shirts.

 
Comment by Colin D
2008-11-20 16:42:01

If Chuck Liddell doesnt accept this fight he will finally prove that he doesnt have that fight anyone, anythime mentality and for that reason alone i think he will accept this fight.

P.S. DOES BONNAR HAVE BRACES?!? Stephan ‘Dental Plan’ Bonnar.!

 
Comment by HauAreYou
2008-11-20 17:14:54

great show, McNeil is good man…(NameNotRequired). Why hate ?

Comment by Kimura88
2008-11-20 18:29:51

Cause that’s what people do. It’s a fact of life. I don’t mind him so much. His point of view holds less weight than the actual fighters though.

 
Comment by mecca hiny ho
2008-11-20 19:25:59

Listen to the episode of Tapout Radio with Joe Rogan on it (And don’t listen to any others, - it’s a horrible program.) Joe outlines exactly why the guy is a douche and shouldn’t have such a great platform for his hack opinions.

 
 
Comment by mo
2008-11-20 17:41:50

I hope chuck and anderson are both on the ufc95 card just dont see them fighting each other?

Chuck v jardine 2
anderson v nate marquart 2

Whats your thoughts guys??

Comment by Colin D
2008-11-20 17:47:09

Chuck vs Jardine would be ok but i dont wanna see marquart get killed again..

 
 
Comment by RoB
2008-11-20 17:59:52

Chuck vs Jardine would be a good fight for Chuck and that’s the highest level of competition he should get in his next fight if they were to make a fight that makes any sense career wise for Liddell..

 
Comment by onthebutton
2008-11-20 18:38:25

Fitch is back in the ufc acording to 5ouncesofpain

 
Comment by Charlie Sharlow
2008-11-20 19:15:49

Cruiser weight devision I think is a great idea! The fights would be more exciting.Lets do it!

 
Comment by Moderated
2008-11-20 19:33:01

The stupid fitch/dana talk hadn’t leaked on to this thread when that question was posed.

 
Comment by Scott
2008-11-20 19:55:05

Haha, yeah you cant knock out nogueria, youve got to shoot him. Good call stephan~

 
Comment by Bruiser
2008-11-20 19:55:08

Is it my imagination or is there an echo on this show? Kenny and Stephen say the same thing every time they ask them for an opinion. Seem like the studio might be getting a little crowded.

 
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