ufc 91 recap

UFC 91: “Couture vs. Lesnar” took place earlier this evening live on pay-per-view (PPV) from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada.

And, believe it or not, Brock Lesnar is now the new UFC heavyweight champion of the world. Die hard MMA fans across the nation more than likely all collectively vomited in their mouths with the result … even though heading into the “biggest fight in UFC history” it was a very real possibility.

The highly anticipated bout started off with Couture weathering the typical Lesnar early blitz and keeping it under control. “Captain America” appeared to have a handle on things, despite being smothered by the behemoth for much of the opening frame.

In fact, he tested the suspect chin of Lesnar with some nice clean shots, but the former NCAA collegiate wrestling champion stood his ground like a rooted Oak tree. The first round ended with the two clinched against the cage after Couture escaped from the bottom — he was even working for the takedown before the horn sounded.

Round two began much like the first.

Lesnar, however, soon landed a nice standing elbow that wobbled the 45-year-old Hall of Famer. Couture recovered quick and eventually cracked Lesnar, opening up a cut above his right eye. But the tide shifted quickly when one of Lesnar’s lunch box-sized meat hooks caught “The Natural” behind the left ear.

Couture dropped and Lesnar pounced, unleashing a barrage of hammer fists and thundering forearms on the head of the champion. He was clearly hurt bad and it was only a matter of time before the referee waived off the action.

Yikes … talk about a stepping stone.

Lesnar — a former WWE wrestling super star — has now advanced to the final round of the mini four-man heavyweight tournament put together to determine an undisputed division champion. He will face the winner of the bout between interim heavyweight champion Antonio Rodrigo “Minotauro” Noguiera and Frank Mir, who are set to collide at UFC 92: “The Ultimate 2008″ on December 27.

Couture’s future is not so certain. He came in at a svelte 220 pounds, which is light for the heavyweight division. Whether or not that was by design to counter the bigger and presumably slower Lesnar doesn’t mean much right now.

He has two fights remaining on his contract. And there does not seem to be much for him at the heavyweight class in terms of maximizing his drawing power while it lasts. He’s not getting any younger, so it makes sense for him to get back in the Octagon sooner rather than later.

Couture is a former light heavyweight champion. He can make the weight. And there are better history-making fights for him there than at heavyweight at this time. And what better way to make some history, and some big money, than matching him up against middleweight champion Anderson Silva in another 205-pound special.

That’s a fight that makes sense … or is it cents?

Lightweights Kenny Florian and Joe Stevenson hooked ‘em up in the co featured bout of the evening for the right to challenge division champion BJ Penn next. UFC President Dana White upped the ante in the days leading up to the showdown with a title shot berth on the line.

Florian has reinvented himself in the past year or so as a Muay Thai specialist, adding to his bread and butter, which is is the jiu-jitsu game. Stevenson perhaps didn’t take note. “Daddy” — who has some great stand up of his own — seemed intent on taking the fight to the ground.

Be careful for what you wish for. Or in this case, the gameplan that you implement.

“Daddy” took the fight to the ground, but it was Florian who did damage from the position. He was able to quickly reverse and secure full mount, putting Stevenson on the defensive. Stevenson scrambled to escape and made a fatal error, trying to get to his feet and outstretching his arms to climb up the cage.

The momentary lapse enabled Florian to easily sink in a fight-ending rear naked choke. Stevenson was tapping with about a minute left in the first round and Florian racing around the cage in victory.

It’s hard to tell if Florian has really become this good — because Stevenson is such a force in the division — or if it was simply a major mistake that Florian capitalized on in a major way. It doesn’t make much difference either way because Florian proved once again that he is the man to beat among the top contenders in the division.

In the process, he proved that he is indeed a finisher and that he will make his opponents pay for their mistakes. It’s now time for him to change that nickname.

Unfortunately, the win actually still leaves Florian in the title lurch, even though it appeared he had punched his ticket before the win over Stevenson with a victory over Roger Huerta earlier this year. That’s because Penn is slated to fight Georges St. Pierre for his welterweight title on January 31.

Long story short, Penn — if he wins — will put either the 155 or 170-pound belt on pause for a very long time, meaning either Thiago Alves, the number one welterweight contender, or Florian, will have a very long wait.

Don’t expect either guy to sit idle too long … especially Florian.

In the pre-fight interviews, Nate Quarry talked about the need to keep the fight upright, saying world class Brazilian jiu-jitsu specialist Demian Maia had to get past his fists and hips before he could implement his all word ground skills.

It took about 30 seconds … literally.

The Abu Dhabi champion secured a takedown within the first minute and took his back shortly thereafter. It was only a matter of time after that. In fact, two minutes and 13 seconds before “The Rock” was broken courtesy of a rear naked choke.

Quarry tapped almost as soon as the choke was sunk, earning Maia his fourth submission win in four attempts inside the Octagon. And with the impressive finish, Maia has made perhaps his most impressive statement to date that he is a force in the middleweight division.

Anderson Silva is now on notice, whether or not he is down with taking on a fellow Brazilian. Maia is on fire.

Former heavyweight title contender Gabriel Gonzaga doesn’t do too well beyond the first round (all three of his losses have come after the opening frame). So it’s no surprise he came out guns blazing to start the bout.

And his shots hit their mark early and often on Josh Hendricks. The powerful Brazilian connected with a stiff overhand right that dropped the former All American wrestler like a sack of potatoes, channeling his form back when he Cro Copped Mirko Cro Cop not too long ago.

In short, Hendricks was toast before he even hit the mat.

Gonzaga looked good tonight. Let’s see how he performs when the water gets a little deeper. Cheick Kong, can you swim?

It would be hard to tell that Dustin Hazellet is among the top jiu-jitsu players in the game in the opening minutes of his fight against Tamdan McCrory — the two traded leather from the get-go.

But it didn’t last long.

As soon as the welterweight fight hit the canvas, it was crystal clear just how talented the 22-year-old is on the ground. He worked the rubber guard to perfection, throwing crazy submissions left and right.

He eventually settled on a painful-looking armbar that soon had the “Barn cat” yowling and Joe Rogan creaming.

It was a great display of mixed martial arts all around. Hazelett is putting it all together real fast. He’s a scary dude at 170 … good luck, welterweights.

UFC 91 was a great card in many ways. There were some sweet submissions and some solid finishes — not one fight on the main card went the distance.

In fact, those watching at home were treated to four additional fights that took place on the preliminary card. Four plus five (on the main card) = EVERY FIGHT.

That’s getting your money’s worth.

So what do you think … is Lesnar being the new champion good or bad for the sport? What’s next for Couture? How does Florian stack up against Penn? Is Maia ready for a title shot?

Sound off in the comments section below. To check out complete UFC 91 results and blow-by-blow coverage click here.

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Comment by matthew
2008-11-16 00:57:29

Damn I dont think anyone can beat brock lesnar at this point…not even Fedor! This guy is unbeatable!

Comment by Robert
2008-11-16 01:03:49

Nog will eat him alive!

Comment by BMO
2008-11-16 01:20:03

lol matthrew you must not have any knowledge of mma… Fedor will toy with lesnar, NOG MIR will also beat Lesnar this was truly a bad day for MMA

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Comment by BigPelly
2008-11-16 01:31:43

if you think it was a bad day for mma then you obviously don’t know much….brock has loads to learn but has loads of potential…anyone who continues to bring people to this sport is positive….and he earned that win tonight !!!

 
Comment by BMO
2008-11-16 01:51:50

It was a bad day for mma… Because that Title match just went prove that a Size is pretty much everything.. Brock Lesnar is 1 dimensional powerhouse and he won strictly because of that… I obvisously dont know much?

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-11-16 02:27:35

Lesnar defeated Randy with the stand up. Before this fight, I said that I was leaning towards Randy ESPECIALLY in the stand up. It’s not like Brock defeated Randy by holding him down and using GnP. He put Randy down while standing with him and finished him on the ground. I was upset that Randy had lost, but Brock is getting better and doing great. He was pretty humble with this win and respectful to the always respectful Randy Couture. Brock Lesnar deserves props.

 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 02:42:07

I would have liked to have seen the fight go a bit longer. Brock’s punch didn’t really have a lot on it, but it hit Randy right behind the ear. The follow up shots didn’t have anything on them at all, but Randy’s equilibrium was gone, and he wasn’t getting back up too soon.

 
Comment by Rich B
2008-11-16 03:06:14

You are clearly a stupid person.

 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 03:09:37

You are clearly a 16 year old kid in a Tapout shirt.

 
Comment by Brandon
2008-11-16 03:46:22

Nog won’t go down from a cross that grazes him.

 
Comment by Da Monkey
2008-11-16 07:48:31

Getting hit behind the ear, and with the size of BRocks meat hooks you could say temple area is 1 of the most diblitating areas to hit. Your equilibrium, all you sense of balance are completely disrupted with even slight grazes to that area, let alone when some giant neanderthal is swinging giant size porkchops at you. Brock deserves credit but I think Randy had the right idea. Had Randy taken him in to the deep waters, and got out of the 3rd he would have taken him I believe. Lesnar was starting to show signs of slowing down, breathing heavy. If Nog can avoid the big punches for the first 2 or 3 rounds I think he will have a great chance. He is also much better off his back then Randy or any other HW in the UFC right now.

 
Comment by jjsixxer
2008-11-16 09:04:25

naturalshadow- r u kidding me? let a 280lb+ man rain down fists to ur face/head and see if theres
“nothn on em” his equilibrium was off? ya- take one to the temple and see how ur balance is…

 
Comment by EMM
2008-11-16 09:28:43

I totally agree. Brock was already winded and knew he could not take randy in the later rounds. That punch was GSP Serra all over again. Brock is a one dimensional cartoon character with limited skills. I will bet on Randy when they fight again.

 
Comment by BobC
2008-11-16 09:50:12

It is somewhat disappointing to see someone with so little MMA talent win, but he is an unbelievable physical force. Randy had a good strategy to start and had Lesnar winded, but the ham hocks are just deadly. Clearly any challenger needs to think about how to neutralize them.

For those who think Fedor would walk on Lesnar, I don’t think it would be so one-sided. Lesnar outweighs Fedor by a significant margin. A single punch could end it.

 
Comment by BigPelly
2008-11-16 11:14:25

Obviously not BMO….if you think a fighter using their skills to win a match is bad because they aren’t multi-diciplined ‘enough’. Did you like Royce Gracie ?? I didn’t see loads of stand up in his wins….mma is training everything and using whatever is needed to win the match ….don’t hate because Lesnar is ‘too powerful’ and one dimensional….he is learning and in a few years will be scary as hell….stop hatin’

 
Comment by Darryl Foy
2008-11-16 12:15:51

Agreed Big - it should be called the Ultimate Weapon, and Brock is proving he’s just that

 
Comment by ufcaddict
2008-11-16 14:26:58

omg it makes me sick that he even got a title shot 4 goin 1-1 in the ufc….. it was such a bad day for mma

nog is the only 1 that can save mma now
if brock ends up fightin him

has nog ever been stopped, tko’d????

 
Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:15:53

WTF are some people here talkin’ about? Bad day for MMA? Nog’s gonna save MMA? WTF is NOg, Mighty Mouse going to save the day?

 
 
Comment by Lycan
2008-11-16 01:23:03

Nog will eat him, and by that I mean he will eat his man meat!

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Comment by Tom
2008-11-16 02:58:39

The strange thing is I can see Nog beating Lesnar, but I can see Couture being able to beat Nog. Each one has strengths that capitalizes on the other’s weakness.

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Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 03:10:12

I could see that happening as well.

 
Comment by RedDog
2008-11-16 04:18:04

I could see Couture beating himself for taking a year off to squabble over money. I guess it’s for the best Randy didn’t fight Fedor…it might have been an even worse @ss whoopin.

 
Comment by newfie
2008-11-16 09:33:01

anyne else think that was a shot to the back of the head??? illegal blow??

 
Comment by Jas
2008-11-16 14:52:13

I’ve seen nobody else say that, and I didn’t think it was.

 
Comment by GregC
2008-11-16 20:42:05

I hope your joking about a shot to the back of the head. i would love to hear joe rogan’s take on that idea.

 
 
 
Comment by Holdin_Ropes
2008-11-16 01:08:01

Personally I think Fedor could take him. Randy is an amazing fighter but if he can’t wear you down for the ground and pound then he will not be an immediate threat. Fedor has many weapons to threaten Brock with

Fedor has striking
Fedor has GnP
Fedor has Submissions

I’m sure Fedor at this moment and time will put Lesnar away. However what would be scary is if Lesnar turns out to be the GSP of the heavy weight division (as in improving by miles between each fight). If thats the case give him two years and he will be a monter.

Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 02:43:45

If that is the case ” and that is a big IF” then in 2 years he would crush Fedor the way Fedor beats Japanese cans.

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Comment by Holdin_Ropes
2008-11-16 01:10:29

And don’t forget guys like Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez they are both up and coming true heavy weight contenders

Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 02:44:36

I think Cain is still a bit smaller than Carwin and Lesnar.

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Comment by jonsey
2008-11-16 03:34:45

valasquez is scrappy tough and young. i think we could see him as a contender soon. he also has the always important “brown pride” chip on his shoulder. i would say that brock needs to improve the power behind his gnp but the weight of his arms falling would be enough to knock out most. kenny looked slick as usual and a fight with bj is much deserved. i guess the real question is, what will his gameplan be for the “new” bj penn and will he be able to execute it?

 
Comment by wildman
2008-11-16 10:18:05

Size is not everything. Usually huge guys like that tend to lack speed and coordination. Look at Bob Sapp. He went pretty far on the juice, er, I mean his size. But he’s limited, and much smaller men found the way to beat him. But Lesnar has the speed and agility to go with the size and strength. Not to mention, his wrestling skills. He is an annomolly, a freak of nature. He shouldn’t be so capable, AND that big. I really wanted to see Coutour win, but I wasn’t suprised at the outcome.

I don’t think Lesnar is unbeatable at this point, but I do think he will take Nog. Lesnar, like it or not, is the future of the HW division, for a good while I believe. I would even say it’s his for as long as he realy wants it.

 
 
Comment by Da Monkey
2008-11-16 07:58:48

I myself was thinking Kongo would be a great fight for LEsnar. LEsnar actually gives on the height against Kongo who is 6′4″ to Lesnars 6′3″. He also is like 240# of solid muscle, if he improved sometake down defense-he has been working with Rampage… If he could stuff a few intitial takedowns, work some of them big leg kicks, I could see him being big trouble for Lesnar. He has a much improve ground game as well. Just thinking on the size and strength pattern here anyway. I just noticed JJ coments as well and was thinking Gonzaga with the kicks, but Gonzaga first has to develop his endurance somemore.

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Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 16:01:45

Kongo has possibly the worst takedown defense in the hw division, and is a terrible wrestler. Even if he has worked on nothing but wrestling since his last fight, he still would never be able to stuff a takedown from Brock. I think Kongo would get killed.

On the other hand, I do agree that Gonzaga could give Brock a very hard time.

 
 
 
Comment by JJ
2008-11-16 01:10:31

I think we need to see Brock perform against someone more of his size and that can deliver good kicks! Gonzaga and Kongo I believe would give him a lot of trouble. It would be great to see Lesnar against Kongo, even though Kongo does not deserve a title shot, but by using his strong leg kicks it would trouble Lesnar too much.

Gonzaga is probably the strongest and most well rounded fighter in HW division that I think can beat Brock. I dont think Lesnar would be standing if Gonzaga landed a punch. Gonzaga will probably be the next challenger for the HW title when this little tournament is over.

Comment by COR
2008-11-16 04:21:28

brock will be fighting nog next unless mir gets lucky. and kongo would gt destroyed by lesner. kongo has some of tthe worst wrestling and take down defensive.

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Comment by JJ
2008-11-16 09:28:43

Thats why I said he will be fighting either Gonzaga or Kongo after this mini tournament. And Kongo may have piss poor wrestling take down defense but he has got some of the most dangerous kicks in MMA. I think he could trouble Lesner with his kicks.

Everyone is getting ahead of themselves saying Lesner is unbeatable. He beat a 45 year old Couture who hasn’t fought in over a year and a half and whos striking has never been the best! Lets see how he does with a real HW whos constantly active.

 
 
 
Comment by NameNotRequired
2008-11-16 01:56:31

Unbeatable? Fedor? come on man be serious.

 
Comment by Next big thing
2008-11-16 01:56:32

Brock would definitely beat Fedor and hope he does sometime in the near future, Fedor was scared of fighting a competitor like Randy and thats why that fight never happened. I hope Brocks win showed hardcore MMA fans that Brock is for real! Is he bad for the sport? I can defintely see some fans argument, but in his defense and I am obviously drinking the Lesnar kool aid, he is a legitimate wrestler,he even said himself he is the only wwe wrestler that could make the transition, he takes the sport very seriously, he is exciting to watch and his massive draw and appeal means higher buyrates, more media exposure which is good for everyone. I was also glad he showed the much deserved respect to the MMA god that is randy coutour after the fight.Where will Brock go from here? Well looks to me like Nogueria will be his next challenge (crossing fingers). If that does indeed happen Brock seriously needs to step his game up because considering Nogueira is even a better submission artist than Mir..might be a short title reign. As far as that mai guy deserving a title fight against Silva? No he doesnt! He wasnt even that impressive and look who he beat tonight, Nate the I didn’t even do well on the reality show so why am i even on the fight card quarry.Seriously Dana why is Nate on this card? As far as KenFlo he does indeed need a name change badly and on that note Brock needs a nickname! what should it be? KENFLO VS BJ well i think BJ will win, but i hope GSP destroys BJ …..GSP..4 LIFE!

Comment by zheka.
2008-11-16 03:38:18

lol, Lesnar had dodged Hong Man Choi last year and now you think he take Fedor out? you need to learn more on MMA

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Comment by FightBuddha
2008-11-16 03:38:42

U R clearly mad “Brock would definitely beat Fedor”…nope….lets put everything into perspective….Cock beat an ageing champion who got the title from a Numty (Timmy Poo). (Feck MMA Maths)….but Fedor kicked Numpty’s hole in 30 secs….sooo feck it…. Cock is a big fecking tool who has a chance against anyone but never should have een there in the first place if is wasn’t for Dana and his uttter greed to feck MMA for Dollars.

Nuff said….belive Cock is the best MMA HW fighter if U wish……

but…..then

U would be a Cock also.

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Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:34:22

WTF are you talkin’ about man?

 
 
 
Comment by Next big thing
2008-11-16 02:01:28

i hope brock fights fedor someday and brings the pain, fedor was scared of fighting randy thats why that fight never happened. Brock would make fedor his bitch. Brock is good for the sport from a business standpoint,but from a professional standpoint he is a legitmate wrestler.The reason he got a title fight is because from the start he was leaps and bounds ahead of most of the heavyweight fighters out there, it was a pretty dry weight class. I would like to see Brock vs Cheik Kongo though lol. Kenflo and BJ bj will win even though kenflo is awesome BUT before that GSP WILL DESTROY BJ…
GSP FOR LIFE!

 
Comment by MMA24
2008-11-16 02:25:07

Good win for Brock, but are some of you for real? Fedor would run through him. If you are a fan of MMA how could you even want this guy fighting. How can you say “it’s good to have him in MMA” when he acts like an ass 90% of the time. You also can’t say Kimbo is a joke then tell us Brock is for real.(Both are here to make money, not to demonstrate their weak mma skills)
The UFC heavyweight division is weak, and Dana White needed something to bring in the money. And guess what…… we all bought it. And we will continue to do so. Just like his comments about Gina C and female fights, he was 100% against it, but now ….. “Its ok for a one time thing in the WEC”. It all about money! Why is Brock L making more than GSP, and 90% of the other fighters?
Good for Brock getting a win against a big name… but if you have actually been watching mma other than what the UFC tells you to watch, then you would realize there are plenty of others fighters that will beat Lesnar!
Nog,Fedor, Arlovski,,Barnes,etc.
Did anyone think Lesnar hit him in the back of the head? Or was it pretty close?

Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 02:48:39

Brock at least has wrestling and size/strength. There is absolutely nothing that Kimbo brings to the table. Kimbo’s entire ground game is horrible, and his striking is only effective if he fights behind a Taco Bell. Add in a glass jaw and you have the worst big name fighter in MMA history.

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Comment by kevin
2008-11-16 02:48:54

got to disagree! Brock has enough money, and his wife does too! To compare him to Kimbo, who is still waiting for a top 50 fighter to fight, is just dumb! Brock has fought 2 former champs and a guy with more experience than almost every UFC fighter combined. He earned my respect tonight, not because he won, but because he won in the stand up! He’s evolved so quickly! Randy actually won the wrestling aspect of the fight, and controlled Lesnar quite easily, but then brock hit him! Same as when he hit Herring. This guy has some power!!! But anyways, he’s no Kimbo, go check my t-shirt out if you wanna know what Brock would turn Kimbo into!

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Comment by LG
2008-11-16 02:54:15

brock will kill fedor bring it on it wont happen but rock proves tontight in his 4 fight hat he sn animal if he land on anyone there done, he grazed couture and kncoked his ass out he will beat fedor if they ever fight which i ubt because fedor always backs down just like he did aginst randy,they had a year to work it out and fedor wouldnt except the facts are there, brock will take him down and maul him or knock him out, and i cant wait too see it, and by the way lets see demian miea or whatever the hell is name is take on the best p4p fighter in the world anderson silva before he retires that will be a challenge to the middleweight belt

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Comment by kevin
2008-11-16 03:17:34

I love the weekend, night after event comments! what is LG on? silva would beat maia, and lesner would need to pray against fedor!

Fedor does fight cans, but cmon!

 
Comment by SkeletonKey
2008-11-16 03:25:15

It’s okay to use periods, LG. Really, it isn’t that difficult. And it helps the rest of us understand when you’re transitioning from one retarded thought to another retarded thought.
I won’t even touch the abysmal spelling or lunatic comment about Brock killing Fedor, just please, show some love to grammar for fuck’s sake.

 
Comment by Da Monkey
2008-11-16 08:18:30

Why does everyone say he grazed Randy, it might have not been dead on, but it was the location of the punch, not the accuracy of the punch. It was perfectly behind the ear and that was why it was so damaging.

On a different note I was out and about this morning at the 7-11 and it was odd hearing the casual fan talk about the fight like it was a fix. They sounded like they were comparing it to boxing. They felt that it was fixed because the Referee did not call the fight as soon as Randy took the initial hit and hit the canvas. They felt that that should have been the stopping point and that Randy was actually fine when he was getting ground-n-pounded into the canvas. REally weird take on it and I did not feel like getting into it at 6am on Sunday and explaining why they let the fighter folllow up rather then stop the fight as soon as someone is stunned and given an 8 count.

 
 
Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:35:43

Fedor won’t run through him. No one for that matter, could run through Brock. But my money’s on Fedor if ever.

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Comment by Ultimate Fighter
2008-11-16 03:53:21

Fedor would and will KTFO with ease Brock Lesner. Too think that randy stood a chance against fedor is bordering on stupidity. Fedor by KO over brock, 1st round.

 
Comment by hardcase
2008-11-16 14:21:26
 
 
Comment by squarechoke
2008-11-16 00:58:46

felt so sorry for randy! brock is gonna be hard to beat! his phallic object tattoo looks scary as it is.

 
Comment by Charles
2008-11-16 01:01:09

The hit from Brock was a lucky graze look at it again. Joe needs to go back to school and learn what he is talking about on big hits etc…Let the fights talk for themselves the pointless drivel that Joe spouts is starting to take away from what actually happens.

Comment by NameNotRequired
2008-11-16 01:26:19

I was at a bar so i couldn’t hear. What did he say?

Comment by DirtbagHtr
2008-11-16 01:43:17

Me too, couldn’t hear Joe, but I kept yelling, “not a solid hit” lucky graze if you ask me. Nog will eat him alive and Fedor would toy with him, school him, and when he feels like, tap him out.

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Comment by NameNotRequired
2008-11-16 01:54:30

I’ll be rooting for Big Nog for sure, favorite fighter of all time. It’s truly a shame that Nog-Couture won’t ever happen. This is the second time in a tournament that couture lost when being one fight away from him.

 
Comment by THORAZINE
2008-11-16 01:57:20

That punch Lesnar threw to knock down Couture reminded me a lot of that 1st punch Matt Serra grazed the back of GSP’s head before Serra capitalized on a seris of punches to end their 1st fight.

Couture was doing pretty good but what shocked me about the fight was Couture’s physique’ he looked a lot smooth and a bit smaller. Lesnar was right when he said Couture looked like a guy that took a year off. However, I don’t think the lay off is necessarily the case, it’s physiology and changes Couture is going through at his age, his body is producing more estrogen and even less testostrone.. it looked like age is finally catching up to him.

The Couture that fought Gonzaga looked like the best Couture I’ve ever seen and we won’t see that type of performance from Couture again. Time to let the younger lions rule the cage.

 
Comment by THORAZINE
2008-11-16 02:00:12

Also, FEDOR would definitely beat Lesnar… Goldie comentating..

Goldie: “Are you kidding me”!!

 
 
 
 
Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 01:01:31

BROCKZILLA!

Comment by JV
2008-11-16 01:11:53

Dam that fight had me tense! Brock will start to destroy HW’s if he gets his boxing straight! What do you think about the Florian/Penn fight? Florian might be able to give BJ a good fight!

Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 01:20:05

JV. i agree. brock is only going to get better and better and kenny does deserve a title shot. loved how he called out b.j. after b.j teased him at the press conference. florian will give him a good fight (he beat joe-daddy quicker than bj), but i don think he can take him just yet. i commented on the live events thread about how every fight was shown. what a great ppv. :)

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Comment by JV
2008-11-16 01:27:47

Definitely a great PPV!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Robert
2008-11-16 01:02:51

Okay for all those that complained about this card, I have to say I was throughly pleased, money well spent. I’m actually excited down the road for Kenny vs BJ, I’m not sure how I feel about a guy in his 4th fight winning the title, I still have to process that. I thought Brock looked like a beast and Randy looked good but the size was to much for him. Nog if he wins and beats Mir, will destroy Brock not even close but a Mir vs Brock fight will def be entertaining. Your thoughts guys?

Comment by JV
2008-11-16 01:22:28

Nog will not destroy Brock! Brock will punish Nog, and Nog will just be looking to pull gaurd and try to get a sub! Brock has a ways to go, but you got to respect the fact that in 4 fights hes now champ!

Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:39:48

Yep. Nothin’ but respect now on the Lesnar-hater wagon.

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Comment by LJ
2008-11-16 19:51:39

Thank you JV. All these people saying that Nog will kill Brock are the same ones that said Randy would win. Fedor might kill Brock, but not Nog. Give Brock some more fights and he might be the only guy around that can give Fedor problems.

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Comment by JV
2008-11-16 01:03:47

Maybe now Brock can get some much deserved respect? Everybody was crying about Brock being an @ss. But as you guys can see he showed Randy the respect Randy deserved! I cant believe Brock looked so gassed though. Also, I cant believe how good Florian looked! I was pulling for Stevenson! And Hazlett’s sub was sick!

Comment by NameNotRequired
2008-11-16 01:23:40

Do u think florian can offer anything to BJ?

Comment by JV
2008-11-16 01:30:05

Sh*t man, thats tough? I think Florian can make it a good fight! But BJ at 155 is just too dam good!

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Comment by Ultimate Fighter
2008-11-16 03:58:37

I will be pissed if kenflo don’t get a title shot after this, however bj at 155 is totally awesome and not sure if flo can offer him enough of a challenge. I like kenflo as well as the new improved bj but bj is just awesome at 155.

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Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:47:47

I bet he could offer somethin’ on the stand-up dept. Other than that, he’s got nothin’ on BJ.

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Comment by LiFt
2008-11-16 01:08:35

wow this guy is ridiculous. he’s only going to get better from here and dominate the hw division.

 
Comment by savage
2008-11-16 01:11:00

I hate Brock, but it was a justified stop….he will lose against a top notch BJJ guy though…either Big Nog or Mir again…feel sorry for Randy though…was hoping he would win this one…OH and by the way, Fedor would demolish Brock in 2 rounds…Fedor wins most of his fights by submission, and that’s what Brock has problems with…if the UFC feeds him cans he will be champ for a minute…but it looks like it will be short lived since he will be facing either Big Nog or Mir…thank god, can’t stand him

Comment by Ultimate Fighter
2008-11-16 04:01:13

wake up out of your dream, fedor in 2 rounds? give it up already, 1 round tops and fedor has brock on the ground ko’ED.

 
 
Comment by DB
2008-11-16 01:11:39

I can still see elite level jiu-jitsu guys beating Brock, especially jiu-jitsu guys who have better striking than him. People like Gonzaga and Noguera.

 
Comment by Oh Please
2008-11-16 01:11:59

“This guy is unbeatable!”

Whatever your smoking pass it on! Fedor would kill him. Randy just doesn’t have the knock out power anymore. Let’s be honest, at 45 his power isn’t what it used to be. Brock hasn’t beaten anyone other than an old Randy.

What Brock does have is a very weak division.

Comment by Robert
2008-11-16 01:17:55

Don’t worry my friend Nog will beat him silly

Comment by Ultimate Fighter
2008-11-16 04:02:16

dreamer

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Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 01:28:12

a weak division? who’s is better? the notion that the ufc’s hw division is weak is unjustified.Affliction only has fedor and arlovski, 2 guys that’s it! barnett fights for sengoku. sylvia and rothwell fight for adreneline. who gives a crap about rizzo and fat fuck nelson. fedor’s management will probably never let him fight in the ufc after seeing what brock did to randy. what was fesor doing while brock and randy were training and fighting, eating ice-cream cones?

Comment by zheka.
2008-11-16 03:44:48

nope, he was shooting a movie in Thailand. Let’s talk about great Brock when he’ll face big nog.

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Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:50:02

Yep. And let’s stop all the Fedor-Lesnar cr@p. This won’t happen, OK? Unless Fedor’s management wants it to happen.

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 21:42:27

ZHEKA. he was also busy losing his precious sambo tournament as well. he did come in 3rd though. im sure you knew this, but were praying no one else would. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Natas
2008-11-16 01:14:18

Once Lesnar learns some BJJ defence [Not stick his leg or Arm out), he will be unstoppable. :)

 
Comment by InsaneConker
2008-11-16 01:15:27

I think Brock can be beat, Randy was actually beating him he just got caught, (behind the ear) nearly an illegal hit. If “Big Nog” beat Mir i think he has a good chance. If Mir wins then i think he will be scared Knowing what Brock can bring to the table first hand.

 
Comment by big billy
2008-11-16 01:16:43

BillyBoB!

 
Comment by J
2008-11-16 01:17:36

What I want to know is, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND ACTUALLY BET ON COUTURE FOR THIS FIGHT? seriously, what were you thinking?

Comment by BMO
2008-11-16 01:25:08

lol ya you say that now…. Do you know who Randy Couture is??? When has he ever been the favourite… He could have easily beat Brock if he didnt get caught.

Comment by J
2008-11-16 01:37:29

Blue could easily be orange if you change it from blue to orange. And I could totally beat Brock Lesnar if I was able to beat Brock Lesnar.

Whoa your comment was amazing!

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Comment by BMO
2008-11-16 02:06:56

lol your a clown you must be a WWE fan. The bigger the better huh? Wait till he fights Nog or Fedor.

 
Comment by PW
2008-11-16 10:44:35

And you were probably saying the same thing before he fought Randy Paycheck.

 
 
Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:52:39

Yep. obviously doesn’t know Randy “the underdog winner” Couture. However, I still placed money on Brock, so I guess it’s all about the money.

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Comment by Coontang
2008-11-16 01:20:02

Holy S&*% did we really just see all nine fights…? Crazy!

Comment by J
2008-11-16 01:25:15

Almost, they didn’t air Aaron Riley whopping Gurgels ass.

Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 01:30:36

i watched it.

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Comment by kitsunex
2008-11-16 01:35:08

they showed it on direcTV. it was a pretty entertaining fight. i got to see all 9.

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Comment by DirtbagHtr
2008-11-16 01:46:51

Yes they did, after the Randy/ Brock fight, 3 rds, and they showed Alvin Robinson fight.

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Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 02:54:04

I missed the Alvin/Robinson fight. Was it any good?

 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 03:14:14

Subtract the / haha

 
Comment by SkeletonKey
2008-11-16 03:33:11

Damn, natch. That made me laugh. I started thinking, how embarrassing would it be to lose to your own last name. That’d be terrible. One lonely man beating on himself in the octagon is just downright barbaric.

 
 
Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:53:17

Yeah, they showed the Gurgel fight here in the Philippines…

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Comment by savage
2008-11-16 01:22:32

Either Mir or Nog will take him out no problem….can’t wait..that was a F’d up place to get hit, back of the neck..

 
Comment by The Buffalo
2008-11-16 01:22:34

I love to see all the haters keep raising the bar for Lesnar before they give an ounce of credit to him. It’s actually fun to watch you guys in so much pain over this. LOL

 
Comment by Vanilla Gorilla
2008-11-16 01:22:36

Moral of tonight: Don’t sue the UFC.
Tonight was payback for the legal fees Randy cost Zuffa.

Comment by Nate Dogg77
2008-11-16 01:26:36

I really hope Dana didn’t feel good about Randys loss tonight or maybe Dana really is evil.

 
 
Comment by Colin D
2008-11-16 01:22:53

Hopefully Mir wins his fight so we can see him getting the rest of his well deserved 280 pound ass woopin.

 
Comment by r/p
2008-11-16 01:23:47

Nog will beat Brock because of his chin and heart let alone skills.

Brock will beat Mir in a rematch.

 
Comment by Nate Dogg77
2008-11-16 01:24:30

Did anyone else notice that Randy looked smaller than he did a year ago in his fight against Gonzoga? Randy looked a bit flabby too. When I seen him take off his shirt I said to my friends that I had a bad feeling about this match now.

44 yr old Randy would have won that fight! I don’t like Lesnar but he did show respect and concern for Randy. I felt bad that he got booed in the biggest moment in his carrer.

Florian is very good but his mouth get’s way out of hand after he wins a fight. I hope B.J. gives him a good spankin’.

Fedor would destroy all the heavyweights in the world. Fedor already said he would like to fight Brock and now that he beat Randy I hope Fedor wants to fight him even more.

 
Comment by savage
2008-11-16 01:25:15

It was a justified stop, but lets face it, he really isn’t that good…Randy isn’t a submission guy, he likes to wear you out and GNP….from what history has shown (albeit brief) Lesnar has problems with top notch BJJ guys..I don’t see him beating Nog or Mir

 
Comment by Lycan
2008-11-16 01:25:51

QUIT THE BS FEDOR TALK THAT CLOWN ISN’T EVEN IN THE UFC!!

Comment by SkeletonKey
2008-11-16 03:39:38

I ENJOY CAPITAL LETTERS VERY MUCH! I HATE LOWER CASE LETTERS BECAUSE THEY’RE WEAKER THAN CAPITAL LETTERS! WAR CAPS LOCK!!

 
 
Comment by savage
2008-11-16 01:27:39

HE WOULD DESTROY BROCK….BOTTOM LINE

 
Comment by Primary Knuckle
2008-11-16 01:28:26

Hated to see Randy lose like that, always do. Big props to Lesnar though, he won fair and square. This was an excellent event, damn near all stoppages (what the fuck is wrong with you, Jorge Gurgel?), and every fight was televised. Well worth the PPV charge, even if I can’t afford to feed ny family for two weeks now…….shoulda thought this one through. Evil mma.

 
Comment by Fuck Lycan
2008-11-16 01:29:35

Clown? You ever see Fedor fight? he would destroy couture and lesner. Lesner is the clown, he is a black eye on the sport. Can you honestly tell me the guy has never done a deca cycle? Next we are gonna have to put up with watching the big show in mma

Comment by SkeletonKey
2008-11-16 03:42:56

And just wait until the MMA tag team match-ups start getting introduced.

Wait….that sounds kinda cool, actually.

Comment by Syd[a.k.a.["The Negation"]
2008-11-16 18:57:36

Not a good idea Skeletonkey.

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Comment by zulu9812
2008-11-16 01:30:23

Does anyone else think that the punch that dropped Randy was to the back of the head?

Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 01:33:27

no it was to the side of the head, maybee a little behind the ear, but not behind the head. he’s a 285 lb man thats figuring out how to put his weight behind his punches.

 
 
Comment by mctapout
2008-11-16 01:31:17

mania, they actually showed all the fights on the broadcast, including bocek v. robinson, which was the last fight shown…after gurgel v. riley

 
Comment by zulu for the win
2008-11-16 01:32:30

yes behind the ear is the back of the head. Tell me you didnt choke back puke when randy went down

Comment by DDT
2008-11-16 19:14:43

Not true. The mohawk definition is what the UFC uses. Sorry.

Why can’t you just enjoy watching the fights?

 
 
Comment by savage
2008-11-16 01:32:33

I’m not sure about that but it did remind me of the punch that Matt Serra landed on GSP in their first fight…back of the neck just below the head

 
Comment by Colin D
2008-11-16 01:35:11

Anyone else think Florian should rematch Sean Sherk? It would suck if Florian lost and Sherk would only have to win two fights to get another shot. Dunno not sure about kenny unless he can beat sherk for some reason, even though i prefer kenny more.

Comment by Primary Knuckle
2008-11-16 01:39:19

I think Kenny would take Sherk this time around. If K-flo doesn’t wanna wait for BJ then I belive thats the only fight that would make any sense whatsoever. Kenny’s cleared the top of the division with the exception of Sherk.

 
Comment by J
2008-11-16 01:39:41

Kenny and Sherk will fight next for sure. They are both coming off wins, and BJ is already occupied with his upcoming fight against GSP.

If Sherk wins however, he won’t face BJ again, but if Kenny wins he will definitely face BJ after he loses to GSP.

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 01:39:42

he may have to, unless he wants to wait a long while.

Comment by JV
2008-11-16 01:43:20

Florian already has a title shot with this win! Why take the risk with Sherk? I say he should wait, and get his shot!

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Comment by b.w.
2008-11-16 01:53:06

i agree. good night JV. :)

 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 02:58:33

I agree as well. Sherk is very tough, and there is no reason to risk the title shot. I would actually pick Sherk to win again.

 
 
 
 
Comment by danielle
2008-11-16 01:35:30

I don’t see how this is good for the sport. Brock has only 4 fights and becomes champion when the UFC has other fighters that are on 5+ straight wins and are not even close to a title shot. All of this is based on his previous popularity as a pro wrestler.

I understand the business side of why Brock is the champion right now, but I feel that some hardcores may go the other way. I don’t like what I am seeing right now, I think this fight would have been more meaningful had it been Brock’s 8th or 10th straight win.

Just seems like the legitimacy of the sport is out the window now.

Comment by Space
2008-11-16 01:50:46

I think to the casual fan it could help to reinforce the misconception that MMA takes little or no skill.

Comment by casualfan
2008-11-16 03:04:55

Speaking as a casual fan,I’m not ignorant or disrespectful.
It takes tons of skill to be an MMA fighter,much less at an
elite level.

For purity’s sake,Lesnar was undeserving of a title shot
w/a 1-1 record.Unfortunately,it’s a buisness;UFC is paying Brock big money b/c he’s a draw and they plan on making a
return on their investment.For all parties this was the
best way out of a sticky situation.

Couture was my pick,Lesnar was just too big&strong for him.
Now,he has to get through Nogueira or Mir.Time will tell.

BTW-you’ll be happy to know this casual fan knew enough to
tell all his buddies to watch Hazelett/McCrory.

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Comment by SkeletonKey
2008-11-16 03:51:32

Two problems I have with all this whining:

a) everyone who claims to ‘understand the business side of the UFC’ before going directly into bitching about the fairness of a guy like Brock getting a title shot, clearly DOESN’T actually understand the business side of the UFC. Quit claiming you do.

b) people are way to f’in obsessed with what the ‘casual fan’ of MMA thinks. You’re never going to be able to educate every casual fan out there. This sport has been around for 15+ years, and if there are people out there who aren’t fans at this point, they probably never will be. If they’re just becoming fans, they’ll learn what the sport is all about, just like you and I did when we first were exposed. IF they give a shit, otherwise they’ll simply move on to what they do enjoy. Either way, quit worrying about these ‘casual fans’ so damn much.

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Comment by FightBuddha
2008-11-16 14:28:46

But that fight was for the casual fan (feckin obviously since a noob was fighting)

What u on about Mr Business Maan (Michael)

Seriously guys….don’t swallow the bullshit… Mr Lesnar shoulod never have been there in the first place…..money talks and by the looks of it many arseholes on here listen. !!!! FACT

 
 
 
Comment by Vanilla Gorilla
2008-11-16 01:53:04

See my previous comment…

 
Comment by SoCalStunNa
2008-11-16 02:18:40

Randy was also champion in his 4th fight. and BJ fought for the belt in his fourth too!

 
 
Comment by langotang
2008-11-16 01:36:03

brock stole my pants

 
Comment by CL
2008-11-16 01:37:24

I was surprised that Lesnar was winning most of the stand-up exchanges. Randy held his own in close quarters, but was definitely out-punched. Lesnar is for real, but I still believe there are a few who would give him problems. We’ll soon see? What Lesnar lacks in technical boxing skills he makes up for in simple laws of physics. The mass and power behind his awkward punches are tough to deal with. The HVWT division still lacks pizzazz however. The guys with better technique and not great athletes, and the physical beasts (Lesnar)are either inexperienced or have gapping holes in their games.

Florian looked great and is as clear cut a #1 contender as there is in any division. As much as anyone else I can think of, he shows improvement from fight to fight, and I believe he’ll give BJ a good battle.

 
Comment by Ginny McEyetie
2008-11-16 01:37:43

Sherk doesnt deserve Florian, Florian is above Sherk. Florian needs the penn title shot.

Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 03:00:54

Except for the fact that Sherk beat Florian.

Comment by COR
2008-11-16 04:31:24

before he got caught for roids!!!

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Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 04:57:17

He tested clean for Florian, he got caught for roids against Franca.

I sm still not sold on the validity of the failed drug test. He still looks exactly the same, and is testing clean, he had a ton of evidence to show that he didn’t use steroids when he went to his hearing, and on top of that he was supposedly busted for taking Nandralone/Deca. Nandralone is a steroid that can stay in your system for about a year. Even your common gym rat would know not to take that steroid.

 
 
 
 
Comment by See What Had Happend Was
2008-11-16 01:38:34

Riley and Gurgel fight was freaking amazing, shot after shot after shot. I dont think i have ever seen a fight with as many leg kicks in it. Nice war between these two, glad Gurgel lost, im not a huge fan of him, but i did gain an ounce of respect for him after that fight. He took some crazy shots and kept going. Great win for Riley. If and keyword is If Brock beats Nog or Mir, hopefully the Haters might give him alil credit. The guy is a freak of nature, he is only going to get better. Herring is a descent fighter, and well Randy is Randy. I was suspect or Brock’s chin, but he did take some solid shots to it and Randy did land a big knee. Brock got a taste of his own blood as well with the cut. It will be interesting to watch Brock progress and see what his next fight turns out

Comment by PW
2008-11-16 10:51:17

Cabana Boy Gurgel is a freaking idiot. He’s got a BJJ black belt, yet insists on standing and trading in every fight until his face looks like a catcher’s mitt.

 
 
Comment by tar
2008-11-16 01:38:56

batista would beat brock lesnar hahaha.ufc just wont get credit for this one..i hope they give nog a chance to fight brock.also fedor would kick brocks ass….funny cotoure in his peak has been beat by smaller guys.now at 45 and with ring rust…whats the big deal??? its a great night for the WWE!!!!

 
Comment by Ginny McEyetie
2008-11-16 01:48:46

I hate the WWE and all there fans

 
Comment by mo
2008-11-16 01:58:32

get the ICEMAN in with brock and let him fell some pain!! lol

Kongo for sure gives brock problems, this should happen if brock loses to mir/noguiera, im not suprised at all about the result and Im not a brock fan at all, im a chuck fan!!

i just felt that the size difference would be too much all be it, it sounds like randy done quite well?? maybe a re-match down the line who knows?

Any news on liddells next fight?

Comment by THORAZINE
2008-11-16 02:07:00

Mo WHTF?…”Kongo give brock problems”?… Heath Herring took Kongo down at will, what do u think Brock will do to Kongo??

Comment by naturalshadow
2008-11-16 03:04:59

It would be interesting to see how Brock’s chin could stand up against a Liddell haymaker. I think if Chuck hit anyone (yes, even Nog) with a huge overhand right, they are going to sleep. He may not be the best 205 anymore, but he can still drop anyone if given the right circumstance.

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Comment by ARodOfIron
2008-11-16 02:02:44

I realllly do NOT look forward to a Brock reign as champ… He’s strong, big, anything you want… Except interesting to watch as a fighter.

I hope Minotauro or Mir stop his train… But I have a bad feeling that if Brock got a title shot on his 4th fight, he would just get another shot to recapture anytime he wants.

God bless… God?!!?

 
Comment by WDC
2008-11-16 02:03:04

WOW! Randy looked pretty fragile in there with Brock’s punches. It was only a matter of time before he got caught with that head punch behind the ear. Brock was just too big for Randy.
Florian kicked ace. I don’ know why I love to see Joe Daddy lose. He thought he was all Diego Sanchez a year and a half ago, now he just can’t bring it.

 
Comment by TouchdownJesus
2008-11-16 02:03:51

Hardcore MMA fans are the biggest sheep in the world. Just respect Lesnar as a great athlete. Who gives a shit if he was in WWE? 4th fight he got a title shot? SO DID COUTURE. The guy’s a freak of nature athlete, WITH SKILLS, he will be dominate.

 
Comment by Jrandolph
2008-11-16 02:06:53

I was pulling for Randy in this one but, I don’t understand the desire to dis what Brock did tonight. All the premature talk already about Nog and Mir “destroying” Lesnar seems ignorant to me. Unless Lesnar is a complete idiot, he will probably adapt to handle Mir’s submission attempts. As for Nog, I like him but he had his hands full with Heath, and maybe he can get a win over Lesnar as well but, “eating Brock alive”? Come on guys, this is supposed to be an intelligent discussion of MMA. By the way, you guys do know that nobody can actually see you wearing your ironed blue jeans, and child size Affliction t-shirt, while your online. Relax, it’s a joke…
…kind of.

 
Comment by THORAZINE
2008-11-16 02:10:26

WDC, Joe is still an amazingly young at 26 yrs… the bad news is yeah’ he’s falling off pace, the good news is… I don’t think we’ve seen the best Joe Stevenson yet.

 
Comment by Dylan
2008-11-16 02:19:03

Fact of the matter is Brock has power and Brock can wrestle. Brock’s only weakness is submissions which in my opinion is the hardest aspect of mma. Whoever wins between Mir and Nog will beat Lesnar. Randy is one of the best heavyweights ever, but it was a terribe match up for him, Rand has no submission game. Mir anf=d Nog live off of subisions.

 
Comment by MMA fanatic
2008-11-16 02:20:46

To all of the Brock haters - DEAL with it. Quit your whining and give the man the respect he deserves. He came into the UFC with one freaking professional MMA fight and is now the champ 2 fights later. That’s pretty impressive. He wasn’t given cans. He beat top competition.

He hasn’t even begun to tap into his true potential yet and he already is the champ.

And for all of you saying he would lose to fedor. Save it. It’s a tired argument. Yes, Fedor is the best in the world, but until he signs with the UFC, no one will ever know and no one will really care. Why even say he would destroy Lesnar if they probably wouldn’t fight anyway. Regardless, Brock is still a rookie and once he gets more fights, he will be more of a threat to fedor.

Bottom Line: Brock came into the UFC and has proven that he is not fake WWE wrestler, but instead is a legitimate MMA HW fighter with boat loads of potential and may one day prove to be the best HW ever. Only time will tell.

Comment by Jakob
2008-11-16 02:45:22

amen !! best fukin comment on here … theses haters r full of shit .. Im readng peoples comments on youtube saying the fight was fixed !!!!!! wwe is fake as fuck boring shit .. this dude just bashed Randy Couture … plain and simple

 
Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-16 03:46:04

Thank you…. was scrolling down, waiting to post and you took the words right out of my mouth.

 
Comment by pancake head
2008-11-16 13:23:28

Amen

 
 
Comment by Semesy
2008-11-16 02:22:44

Nog will beat Mir. Nog will beat Lesnar. End of story.

 
Comment by JB
2008-11-16 02:27:20

Brock = top shelf wrestler with weak but improving all around mma game
Maia = top shelf bjj with weak but improving all around mma game

If you are going to hate on Brock, hate on Maia while you are at it.

Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-11-16 03:44:43

OOOOOOOOOH! I like that point. Good point. Only problem is that Maia isn’t as hyped or getting a title shot. But you are right. I see where you are going with it.

Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-16 03:47:45

Ryan…. a few days back saw your video on youtube, great man…. very impressed!

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Comment by El
2008-11-16 02:28:17

For all haters, Brock is Champpppppppppp

 
Comment by juggalomike
2008-11-16 02:40:16

i would b willing to bet my house the wwe champ lesnar doesnt see the 2nd round against big nog…and lesnar isnt the champ neither was over-rated randy..the champ is big nog

Comment by FightBuddha
2008-11-16 03:56:16

Correctamundooo !!!

 
Comment by pancake head
2008-11-16 13:28:14

Nog’s the champ because he beat Sylvia. Randy was the champ because he beat … Sylvia.

Brock and Nog have equal claim to the title, and it will all be settled in 2 fights.

Comment by PW
2008-11-16 23:35:32

And when Lesnar goes Donkey Kong on Nog’s head to unify the title I’m sure you will all have some handy excuse or claim he doesn’t belong there anyway.

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Comment by B_Hos
2008-11-16 02:59:43

anyone who thinks lesnar would beat fedor at this point is clueless. watch the fight again. brock was dropping his head when punching in the second round. fedor would pounce and destroy him. fedor would destroy couture as well, obviously. this just further proved to me that there is no one in fedor’s class. no one.

 
Comment by jonsey
2008-11-16 03:46:44

hw division still needs like 6 more solid fighters to make it more interesting. its probably better than it has ever been but pales in comparison to every other division. the winner of a maia bisping match should get a shot at silva. feed karo the gate keeper to hazlet so he can get his arm torn off by a nerd and then maybe he’ll quit running his mouth so much. and for god sakes someone tell rich franklin to tell george gurgel that he needs to find another occupation like i dunno, hair stylist. this guy is gonna be peas and carrots in like two more fights.

 
Comment by Psyqo78®™
2008-11-16 03:48:47

Oh Casey, Where are u my friend?

 
Comment by FightBuddha
2008-11-16 03:54:48

I wish some folk would get a life and stop believing the shite hype that is fed to them.

Nog & Fedor will beat Cock Lesnar.

Deal with it and until Dana gets the best in the UFA ….sssshhhhhh da feck up !!!!! (AA & Barnett also will beat da penis)

 
Comment by rhys
2008-11-16 03:55:55

Brock would probably beat Fedor for the following reasons:

He could take Fedor down more then once

Fedor will not be able to armbar those treetrunk arms of Lesnar, and I think Lesnar has learned his mistake from Mir.

Fedor has a great chin, but even Randy who has a good chin and the heart of a lion, dropped like a bowling pin from Lesnar’s XXXXL fist.

Fedor will not be able to handle the ground and pound. I mean if Mark Hunt could hold Fedor down in side mount for a good 3 mins, imagine what Brock could do if he mounted Fedor?

Comment by jonsey
2008-11-16 04:07:10

fedor is the master at swarming early and accurately. none of us have seen lesnar have to deal with something like that and honestly i don’t think anyone else test lesnar the way fedor can. plus fedor is used to giving up size and strength to freak shows and phenominal fighters in pretty much every one of his fights. check his record. how can you ever bet against fedor?

 
 
Comment by rhys
2008-11-16 04:01:34

Id give Nog a 70-75% chance of beating Brock. Nog has definetly proven he has the chin and heart to deal with the power of a superheavyweight punch for nearly 20 minutes, but can he deal with the punching, the repeated guard pass attempts, the constant ferocious slam takedowns, and the crushing pace and top game of The Next Big Thing - Brock Lesnar?

 
Comment by GSP4Prez
2008-11-16 04:10:04

lol are we honestly even talking about Lesnar vs Fedor. Lets not forget Couture was on a 2 fight winning streak at heavyweight and hadn’t fought in a year. Lesnar was simply a terrible match up for Couture as Coutures biggest strength, his werestling, was nullified do to the 60 pound weight difference. You obviously have never watched any of Fedor’s fights if you think Lesnar would even stand a chance. I will bet any amount of money though that Nog has no problem beating Lesnar in March or April when that fight goes down.

 
Comment by Insain
2008-11-16 07:49:03

i feel sick

 
Comment by Schiro
2008-11-16 08:04:03

I have read most of the respones and all I see is numerous people who are either delusional, in denial, or have anger/disapointment clouding their judgement.

A) Nog will eat Lesnar alive? (Delusional)

Nog has recently made a habit of getting his skull crushed in before he ends up pulling out a victory. (Herring, Sylvia) If this tactic holds true, which I suspect it will because Nog looks like damaged goods, then Nog won’t get past the 2nd round either. 5 years ago I’d a liked Nog’s chances against Lesnar, but not now.

B) Mir will eat Lesnar alive? (Denial)

Anyone stating this is in denial in regards to what happened the first time these two fought; a dazed, desperate, and wounded Mir pulled a knee-bar out his ass and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Won’t happen again, Brock will finish Mir, Pe-De-Pano style in the first round.

C) Fedor would kill Cock Chestnar? (anger/disapointment)

These are obviously pissed off MMA fans who hate Brock with a passion. But, I agree with them. Brock IS a behemouth, but Fedor has NO weakness, well, maybe a slightly weak chin, images of Fujita come to mind. Brock would have a puncher’s chance, but I would bet on Fedor.

With all that said, Brock is the UFC champ, so people better get used to that fact, cause I don’t see Fedor fighting in the UFC.

 
Comment by DubNub
2008-11-16 08:11:54

I smell setup. Something didn’t seem right.

Setup for another fight that is.

Randy coming in light? That man always executes a plan and why the heck would he come in light. He could have come in at 240 and still speed.

Dana White likes his sport but his true love is money.

 
Comment by the dude
2008-11-16 08:39:12

why is this a bad day for mma?? just cos lesnar was in wwe?? thats bull!! if lesnar had come in2 d ufc through the ranks everybody would love him. just because he made a shit load of money in d fake world of steroids and vodka and pain pills doesnt mean he shouldnt be there. granted i think the ufc over looked so many ppl 2 giv brock the chance (werdum gonzaga kongo would be just 3 to name) and i did think randys experience would win in the end, but dis is a business and hes clearly marketable, but he still beat randy, we are seeing d beginning of a force in the heavyweight division!!

 
Comment by Jared
2008-11-16 08:59:29

haha i liked the comment about jorge gurgel becomign peas and carrots but i just feel bad for avles and florian and IF bj wins against gsp one of those guys are going to have to wait forever to get a title shot, i no that probably wont happen cuz i love penn but i think gsp is too much of an animal and will destroy him

 
Comment by tallimeca
2008-11-16 09:52:57

Guys…..did any of you really think Randy would win this fight? Especially coming in at 220? Fact of the matter is heavyweight division is 265. Brock makes weight…..he’s a heavyweight. Don’t use the …he’s too big and that’s all he had. He went toe to toe standing up with Randy and finished him. Those grazing and short punches from a guy that big are DEVASTATING. Some of you guys that have never been hit have no idea. A 155 could knock out a heavyweight…..but even a short throw from a guy like lesnar….probably equals a full out blast from a LW.

From a marketing stand point, i think this puts the randy vs fedor fight to rest. Doubt we will ever see that.

I really think the 1 guy that poses a threat to Lesnar is Gonzaga……. and not Noguera. Gonzaga can throw, he can kick, and he can roll. And…..he’s one of the biggest heavyweights in the division.

 
Comment by introvert
2008-11-16 10:34:19

Hate to say I told you so, but…………

The UFC HW division is now officially a joke.

Just like I told you so.

 
Comment by Mrs.Featherbottom
2008-11-16 10:58:23

Lesnar by Viking pillage!! War Hellboy!! Vikings FTW!!

 
Comment by joe
2008-11-16 11:43:09

ufc=wwe that’s how it is.

 
Comment by chad
2008-11-16 12:06:56

Some of you really need to do your homework on MMA…Randy had legit reasons for backing out of the UFC but its nogueira coming into the UFC that set those plans in motion. Nog has tapped those who have tapped cotoure, Nog has tapped Dan henderson , randys Teammate, a teammate that Randy doesnt just tap. Nog has only lost on paper and it was to Fedor twice, lets not forget that had the 2nd Nog vs Fedor fight been under ufc rules Nog would of won first round, instead it was ruled a no contest instead of a win on a cut. Is nog what he used to be? I dont believe so, all his wars i belive have taken a toll on him, he doesnt quite take a punch AS WELL as he used to. Nog is the rocky balboa of MMA, the mans fought serious wars in the ring especially against fedor. There is nobody in mma that hits like fedor so dont even compare Lesnars strikes to Fedors, thats a joke, and Nog rules the game on the floor. Lesnars only chance of beating Nog is to hope for a lucky hit on Nog and they have been happening more and more each time because theres always a toll to pay when youve been pounded on like Nog but thats the only hope lesnar has of beating Nog. Other then that Nog has layed waste to people who have tapped randy, or at least beat people in the ring that randy could only beat on paper. So dont be so 1 dimensional for a bunch of peanut gallery folk. Nog is a much better fighter then randy…how the hell does someone go 16-8 well 16-9 now and still even get compared to the REAL champions of the mma world, thats a hoot and that only happened because cotoure was state side fighting in what was at the time a smaller franchise of mma and the american public is more familiar with him. But pride over extended themselves and fell now Nogs in the house and you all better do your history and recognize.

Comment by juggalomike
2008-11-16 14:44:06

u are 10000000percent correct

 
 
Comment by day1er
2008-11-16 12:07:52

lesnar is apparently a supreme being. When he said God blessed him with a body and a mind he in turn looked to the heavens and did not thank God but rather blessed him back for blessing him. Its like the two of them worked together to create this monstrous piece of flesh worthy of dominating the hw division

 
Comment by joe
2008-11-16 12:08:00

it’s a dark day for mma

Comment by BigPelly
2008-11-16 21:35:45

shut up joe….watch water polo or something

 
 
Comment by rb
2008-11-16 12:13:35

remember mir was toast for not brock leaving a leg dangling beside him. mir was visibily shaken after the lesnar fight; brock took him down like no one has.. i dont think mir fares as well if he gets a seconf fight. on the other hand, i dont think mir gets by nogeria. nogeria takes a shot a lot better than mir, and i think hes at a higher level of bjj than mir. the ability to take the shots is what will get him ktfo against lesnar. nog cant handle lesnar.
theres only one fighter in the world i see handing lesnar his ass, fedor.
as lesnar’s mma game catches up and gets to speed, theres no one except fedor who will beat him.
by the way, for any of you that dont understand how demanding a ground game is, you’re just gladator specators looking for blood sport instead of true mma fans. you wimps have no idea what it takes to dominate someone on the mat. step up to the line and get some understanding instead of sitting in the stands drinking beer and booing, pussies.

 
Comment by fl
2008-11-16 12:22:47

Hello. The shot was not to the back of the head! Was anyone even watching this? If was more right above the ear. Definitely not a shot to the back. I didn’t hear the ref, commentators or anyone else commenting on thinking if was an illegal blow. You all are just pissed that your man got his ass beat and looking for an excuse!

 
Comment by chad
2008-11-16 12:38:34

…one last note on the Nog vs Herring match. Nog has made quick work of herring in the past but for you einsteins that dont even compete or train in mma the more you face off with an opponent the more of a fight it can be because you know / understand their game that much more, Nogs fight against herring in the UFC was his 4th fight against him…Check your archives of mma before you spout off at the mouth about ones performance.

 
Comment by Denny
2008-11-16 14:59:48

quick thoughts:

1) Although Couture/Nog would’ve been a better fight for hardcore fans, the rest of the card set up better possibilities for the future.

2) Couture actually gave the HW division a little hope because he didn’t get steamrolled even when Lesnar got him on his back.

3)Penn/Florian might actually be competitive.

4)Nog will beat Mir but while he is a much better striker than Brock, I don’t think he has the power to hurt him or the wrestling to get him down. If Brock comes with a game plan of keeping it on the feet, I don’t think Nog can elude the big shot for 5 rounds.

 
Comment by Morpheus
2008-11-16 15:16:12

Damn, that sucked to see Randy lose. Especailly to chubacca uncircumsized! but, I just hope that Nog whoops his ass and then taps him out….

 
Comment by KING
2008-11-16 15:36:14

Randy, this is what you get for crying over more money and asking to fight Fedor. Yesterday’s fight proved you ain’t worth much $ anymore and clearly you are nowhere near Fedor’s league.

 
Comment by KingKeith
2008-11-16 17:22:05

what i don’t understand is why do people still hate on this man. brock proved many things tonight. he has a chin, he has decent endurance (enough to manage to win the fight in 3 rounds or less), he beat the “master” game planner (so much for that), experience means nothing, what matters now is size, ability, strength, endurance….imagine that, the ref didn’t even stop the fight, it was though the ref wanted randy to win. what he didn’t prove is what can he do on the ground besides wrestling based moves and GnP. he looked lost when he was on top i must admit. Stop all this “this is a bad day for mma” bullshit. this is actually great. a big name in heavyweights is exactly what is needed in the division a bunch of okay fighters aren’t enough, we (as in ufc fanboys) need a big name. so please respond back. i would love to here comments

 
Comment by ALEX
2008-11-16 18:19:38

damian maia and nate quarry = THE KISS WTF WAS THAT

Comment by BigPelly
2008-11-16 21:34:23

It was on the lips right ???? The boys told me I was full of crap when I said that ….lmao….Nate is turning into Charles Barkley….if you can’t beat ‘em, make out with them …

 
 
Comment by fleet
2008-11-17 00:34:02

I was sad to see the Randy/Brock fight won by size (and frankly, luck kind of…) over skill. I believe Randy was doing all the right things and as someone else pointed out (and mmamania), Couture weathered everything that Brock’s “bread and butter” wrestling could offer.

I know Brock won, and I don’t want to take anything away from him for that, but my only complaint is that the new heavyweight champ had to squeak out a 10/9 first round on a guy that he had 60 pounds on and a 15 year advantage. Now to me if Brock’s skill set had truly progressed as fast and as far as his camp was boasting before the fight, he wouldn’t have had to power out of things and could use technique to conserve energy. He was already gassing at the mid way point of the first round(!!!) despite being on top. In all actuality he was coming apart at the seams, which he wouldn’t have been if his skills were truly at par. If he hadn’t scored that elbow, and the punch to the temple it would be very likely that because of his extremely muscular build he would have gassed by round 3(ironically because HE was facing an opponent with stellar wrestling and not the other way around).

Congrats to both guys i suppose but especially to Randy considering that the media was painting him as half in the grave before the fight even started. Also because it’s likely that the next guy to fight Lesnar is at a great advantage because of Randy. I believe 100%… actually 300% (that’s right, I believe to an impossible degree) that if Randy fought Brock again he’d wear him down and win either by decision or KO/TKO with cardio as a major contributor.

Quick side note: I was impressed with the quality of this card over all, I have to honestly say I bought it because of the undercard bouts and the possibility of seeing some of the pre-lims and I was very impressed all around. Sad day for the heavyweight division… perhaps…. but the UFC raised the bar for the kind of shows that THEY have to put on to bring in viewers new and old, here’s hoping they keep it up.

cheers.

 
Comment by Chad
2008-11-20 09:02:01

I dont hate on Lesnar at all, my hats off to the guy for his transition. But lets get 1 thing straight, Couture dodged Nog pure and simple as he has in the past, now Lesnar holds what Nog is coming after and Nog isnt some hyped up 16 and 9 wonder of the world fighter that the UFC made him out to be. Nog is the real deal and if Lesnar happens to beat Nog then he has all my respect. But Nog has weathered all so dont try and bring out his weaknesses, the only weakness hes had is Fedor and try and expalain that weakness. Hes fought people bigger and stronger then Lesnar and hes taken hits 3 times harder then what Lesnar can even throw ( Fedor ). So I believe you have it bassackwards…Were not askin can Nog take out Lesnar, its can Lesnar take out Nog. I really do appreciate Coutures chicken shyt move of duckin Nog because it sure has led to a mess of drama thatll help boost sales in UFC. All that being said thats the real fight ! I know the franchise had to sell the couture / lesnar fight as the biggest in mma but thats just them supporting their franchise made 16-9 wonder of mma. The biggest mma fight ever was Fedor / Nog ALL 3 times …dont be brainwashed by the ufc tactics to sell itself.

 
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