119 Comments »
Support MMAmania.com
Burn this Feed!
Site Sponsors
Advertisements
Upcoming MMA Events
- UFC 104
- Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009
Los Angeles, California - DREAM 12
- Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009
Osaka, Japan - Strikeforce
- Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009
Hoffman Estates, Ill. - UFC 105
- Saturday, Nov. 14, 2009
Manchester, England - WEC 44
- Wed, Nov. 18, 2009
Las Vegas, Nevada - UFC 106
- Saturday, Nov. 21, 2009
Las Vegas, Nevada - UFC 107
- Saturday, Dec. 12, 2009
Memphis, Tennessee - UFC 108
- Saturday, Jan. 2, 2010
Las Vegas, Nevada
I do believe that 100 %
whoever believes this including GSP is delusional. If he had said wrestling or cardio, it would be believable, but this just goes to show that GSP needs to mentally convince himself he can win! If he’s saying his jits is better, he hasn’t convinced himself!
You probably say the same thing about Serra’s jits. On paper Serra might be better, but FUNCTIONALLY (in the cage) GSP blows him away. You can claim BJ’s jits are far supperior to GSP’s, but the FACTS are they both have 5 sub victories and GSP has displayed a wider array of submissions. Neither one of them has shown they can submit a black belt. Since this is MMA, you have to factor in GSP’s strength and wrestling advantage. This will nullify any advantage BJ MAY have technically. In the later rounds you also have to factor in cardio, (a dead tired BB is no longer a BB). Anyone thinking BJ will be the fresher fighter past the 3rd round is delusional. Neither one subs the other when they are fresh, but it’s very possible GSP could sub a gassed Penn. Bj has to really hurt GSP first with strikes to get a sub.
Impressive analysis Gord… impressive. MMA is not like an arm-wrestling competition where one discipline is tested head-to-head between competitors. Excellent analysis.
Gord: If you are going to take into consideration wrestling and strength advantage, then you must take into consideration BJ’s Freakish Flexibility. His Flexibility allows him to do so many different things that no other grappler besides Shinya Aoki can do. For example, IF BJ gets put on his back his flexibility will allow him to scramble and get to a much better position, bailing him out of many tough situations.
At some point during this fight, BJ is going to take GSP’s back, and GSP wont be able to defend the choke when BJ traps his arms with his legs!
I also believe that BJ is going to beat BJ up in the stand up.
This is coming from a huge GSP fan, I just dont think that a FOCUSED, well shaped BJ can loose to ANYONE!!!
WOrd up John, Word up.
Word!
Word!…lol
Believe me when I tell you, GSP has improved in all facets of his game. His stand-up game is MUCH quicker than ever, his combinations on the feet are more dangerous, his stand up style is now more unorthodox, his angles are more dangerous, and the list goes on…his cardio is also FAR BETTER than BJ’s can ever be. Bottom line, GSP is far too much to handle for BJ. Everyone keeps saying how great BJ is, yeah, but who the hell has he fought lately? GSP could beat Joe Stevenson with one hand tied behind his back, and he already wrapped Sherk’s nose around his ear when they fought (eons ago might I add). Please, you ppl are dillusional if you think Penn will have his hand raised at the end of this fight. G S P will finish him, this won’t even go to a decision…bring on Alves. And then, SILVA !!! GSP is up to the task
Kevin, I saw InsideMMA last night and Jake Shield’s said he has a 30 day clause in his contract. That if EliteXC cant provide a fight then hes out of his contract. He said he cant talk to any other Org. untill the 30 days are up. He said he had 2 more weeks. And he said he wants to talk to the UFC. Big John McCarthy said he would want to see Sheilds/Diego.
yeah, I posted that yesterday, shields said if he gets a fight scheduled within the time, he’d be more than happy to fulfill his contract! Nothing but class!
BJ’s BJJ is superior without a doubt…
Of course his trainer is gonna say that! that doesn’t make him right… NO ONE at 155 or 170 has better BJJ than BJ
or 185 or 205 or 205+…GSP is the better fighter though.
He has better Jew-Jif-shoes than BJ? That’s Poposterous!Better wrestling yes, stronger yes, better back flips yes ,nipple tweaks gross
Show me the money. Maia has just as many subs, in HALF as many fights, against BETTER BJJ guys. BJ has never subbed a guy with Jason Macdonald’s Jits, or even Ed Herman’s for that matter. BJ is more well rounded as a fighter, than other BJJ aces, but I don’t think his 5 chokes (against not very good BJJ guys), earns him the #1 spot in BJJ.
gord, if you’re new to the sport or a young kid, I get your comments! If you’re older and been around mma, I can’t believe your comments! BJ got his black belt in record time, and was submitting black belts when he wasn’t even brown. GSP is an impressive fighter, and I give him his props, but when it comes to BJJ, BJ is the best. I’ll apologize for BJ for being so well rounded that he finishes guys in other ways, maybe he can be more like gray maynard in the future and not finish anyone!
Kevin: EXACTLY!!! If BJ wasnt so well rounded, he would have won all his fights by submission. BUt why submit people when you can pound their faces in (like he did to Caol Uno and Sherk)?
Good post Kevin! Words of wisdom Kevin, if you have to defend BJ’s abilities to someone on this site, then that is probably a person you shouldnt be wasting oyur time and wisdom debating with!
BJ is part of the holy trinity of mma!
Fedor = THe Father
Anderson = THe son
BJ= Holy GHost!
Well siad Kevin, very well said. BJ has alwasy enjoyed to stand more, and GnP, the subs are what he relys on if somebody actually is making him try.
haha. you wish.. you should put your money where your mouth is.. hahaha.
i’ve already got $500 on BJ for that fight. yeah, i know the bets are not up, BUT that’s what i can afford for the fight. so yeah, don’t just say he’s going to beat him, i believe he got better skills than his opponent, and whatnot… just put some money down and we’ll see… put it down!!!! chee heee… samoan style!
NO way. bj can do stuff on the ground that gsp cant even dream of. gsp mite be the most complete mma fighter, but bj still had some of the best bjj in the game regardless.
Lol. Here we go with the argument that BJ is the unquestionable God of Jiu-Jitsu and invincible. GSP’s MMA jiu-jitsu is just as good as BJ’s in my opinion. BUT what makes Pierre better than BJ at bjj will be his athletisism and strength/size combined with skill. Im sure some people are going to laugh and say that BJ walks around bigger than GSP, and GSP also says that so BJ will have the size advantage or be equal…BJ may walk around heavy but fat is uselss, and GSP probably has at least 15 lbs of quality lean muscle mass over BJ. BJ’s one advantage is his flexibility.
this is LAUGHABLE!!!! I shouldnt even dignbify this crap with a response but here it is. GSP is one of my favorite fighters, but to say he has better Jits than BJ Penn is a freaking Joke. Give me a break, NO ONE has better jits than BJ Penn, I firmly believe that!
I hate Fedor with a passion but he has the best jits in MMA and I don’t think anyone would disagree that. On a scale of one to ten BJ’s jits is a ten and Fedor’s jits is a twelve. Nobody has better Jits then Fedor, not even BJ.
F.Y.I., Fedor is to Sambo as to Bj is to BJJ.
I’m sure there are some better jj guys out there.
GSP is not one of them.
His flexibility doesn’t seem to get mentioned much lately, either.
There may be better jits guys, but they arent in MMA… and they certainly arent fighting Jan 31
The only fighter with comparable mma jits to BJ Penn is Shinya Aoki. BJ’s flexibility takes his jits game to an entirely different level above the rest. Only person close enough to matching that Flexibility and skill is Aoki.
Nogueira is also up there with BJ Penn when talking about “mma jits”.
Guys like Maia and Jacre are probably more decorated grapplers but they are new to mma and I dont think they have adapted their craft to BJ’s level just yet.
Agree completly John.
i couldnt say it better myself.
that’s exactly what it means. GnP + strenght advantage = better chance in MMA BJJ.
I’m inclined to disagree with him.
what a load of bs i sub in 18 against an over the hill hughes vs 5 in 18 for penn do the maths mate.all gsp has over bj is wrestling.hes gonna take bj down just do enough to keep the ref from standing them up for five rounds for a boring decision.hes not gonna ko penn and he wont submit him.this is the only way he ca n win and i like both guys.just speaking from an mma point of view.
Speaking of MATH, you might want to brush up on yours. First, GSP has FIVE submissions (SAME AS PENN). Second, GSP has 19 fights, not 18.
no way.good luck outgrappling penn.
You all seem to forget they’ve already fought and BJ couldn’t do anything to GSP even as a brown belt. GSP’s learning curve since that fight is way higher so BJ definitely has no chance of doing anything substantial to GSP especially in a 5 rounder.
BJ couldn’t do anything to GSP but completely negate his ground and pound. BJ left there first fight without a scratch or lump on his face. He did exaclty what a Black Belt Jits person is supposed to do off his back when they can not get the submission, and that is taking damage. He did everything perfectly. He did get some sweeps as well if I remember correctly, GSP did eventually take him down again but basically all he was able to do was lay and pray. So for someone to go from brutal gnp to brutal to watch LNP, I would say BJ did what he was supposed to.
them thars fightin words!
haha
I’m calling BS on this one. I also thing these videos GSP’s camp are putting out have the sole purpose of getting in BJ’s head. The thing is, an angry BJ is a mean, determined BJ. GSP’s the one with the shaky noggin, not BJ.
I agree, GSP is trying to pull out all the stops now… deep down he knows he is in trouble!
He definitely doesn’t have better straight BJJ than BJ. Better wrestling? Yes. Better ground and pound? Yes. Better MMA BJJ?…Not sure, but I doubt it.
This fight is so huge!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both fighters are two of the biggest stars in MMA. Both fighters are at the top of their game. It’s gonna be amazing when this thing goes down!
I believe this fight will open alot of doors for MMA and make it even MORE popular than it already is. After this fight, I guarantee that you’ll see bigger sponsors, more tv deals, more name recognition, etc. It’s that big.
Whether, you’re an MMA fan or not, you simply cannot ignore the magnitude of this event. I know that the UFC overhypes many of their cards which is fine by me, but THIS one… Man, they are gonna turn this into the biggest hype machine ever – and its totally deserved.
It’s good to be an MMA fan!!!!!!!!!!
I totally agree. This is without question the biggest fight in MMA right now. This is even bigger than Randy vs Fedor ever was.
i agree. i would rather watch gsp/bj any day over fedor/randy. i gave up on that fight ever happening anyways…
i agree with clayton gsp’s camp knows that bj’s bjj is better than gsp’s by a long shot..
OR, they see it for what it IS. GSP amassed the SAME amount of wins by submission as a BLACK BELT BJ , while he was a PURPLE and BROWN belt. Now GSP is a BB.
Gord in comments like this you lack so much subjectivity its unbelievable.
Lol, thank you, I try to be as objective as possible,but the thing is, all opinions are subjective. You say it like it is a bad thing. What good is a subjective opinion if it isn’t backed up by some objective facts. Also sometimes when I post, I may have had a few to many beers, so don’t expect those one’s to make a lot of sense,lol.
I think the post you just put was a prime example haha. Nah I was pointing out that you dont seem to take into account quality of opponents that he is submitting or anything like that. For exampe, rear naked choking frank trigg is not that big of an accomplishment(the way he out wrestled him positioning wise, was), given Frank trigg’s history with Rear nakeds.
I’m not saying I agree or disagree, but translating BJJ to MMA is not a direct connect. Jorge Gurgel has great JJ, but how’s he been doing? Got sub’d last time out.
This is MMA, NOT a BJJ clinic/competition.
i love how everyone is focusing on BJJ onlY… ya i agree Bjs bjj as raw bjj is better, but in mma bjj where you can ground and pound, and even use wrestling to keep an oppenant down then you have to say its GSP- you all think that BJ is some GOD of BJJ and that is a Jui-jit-su fight… guess what it ain’t it’s MMA, so striking is including that goes to GSP, wrestlin that goes to GSP.. i wouldn’t be suprised if bj wins.. but don’t be saying its a sure shot cuz on paper GSP is an all round better fighter P4P
how can you gsp has the better striking? have you seen their first fight?
I guess it depends. If they’re standing BJ definitely had the advantage striking.
How can you say GSP has better striking? Easy. Because he uses a far more diverse striking attack. Not just boxing, but using his punches, kicks, elbows, and knees.
Boxing: Penn>GSP but Striking GSP>
The same can be said for grappling and I think this is where they’re coming from.
Jits: Penn>GSP
But grappling (combining the jiu-jitsu with the wrestling and striking on the ground to open opportunities for subs) GSP >
The Gracies themselves have said when speaking strictly about disciplines that the best group of skills to counter jiu-jitsu is strong wrestling. It cannot be argued that St. Pierre’s wrestling is leaps and bounds above Penn’s. This will better enable GSP to put Penn where he wants to apply his offensive attack. GSP’s BJJ doesn’t have to be as good. He just has to be able to put it to use.
to throw a spanner in the works id say gsp has better karate than penn but penn has better mma striking than gsp lol
Thanks for the crash course in MMA….. I had no idea you could punch in this sport
He didn’t directly say that his bjj is better. The headline of this article is stretching it a bit. I’m sure BJ has better BJJ, but GSP has better complete skills.
your right. he didnt. alot of people dont actually watch the vids or read all of the threads they just read the captions and get their panties in a bunch. ha! way to sensationalize things MANIA!
GSP is gonna tool BJ.
That’s like saying GSP has better Muay Thai then Anderson Silva.
he does!
BJ Penn has the best MMA BJJ in the game hands down. It pains me whenever I hear that guys like Aoki have better MMA BJJ then Penn. BJ doesn’t have to do fancy shit, because he has grat fundamentals. BJ calls his style “advanced basics”, which is a perfect description. BJ’s defence from the bottom and his control from the top are phenomenal.
That said, I’m a bigger GSP fan, so I hope he’s not planning to use that reverse elbow in a fight. Otherwise, he’s gonna get KTFO’d like Urijah lol.
Jew Jif Shoes!
hahahaha funniest video ever
All tings considered, I would say that GSP is going to win because he’s STRONGER!!
Just curious, WDC. That isn’t your alma mater is it?
you guys are giving me a headache with back and forth. both great fighters, but different nonetheless.
He said “MMA Ju-jitus”, meaning jujitsu as incorporated with other MMA skills like wrestling and Gnp, two areas GSP is light-years ahead of BJ on. Settle down kids. BJ’s BJJ has become so legendary people have no idea how good it really is.
tito ortiz said this on the most recent inside mma
It’s either going to be with the UFC or it’s going to be with Affliction, but guaranteed, you guys will see me fight — no matter what — by July.”
tito in the ufc nice
Awesome news…. I have been waiting along time to see the return of Ortiz….Can not wait for him to get back in the cage or ring and get his bobble head knocked silly.
i agree. i cant see tito beating anybody in the top 10 anymore. i see him in the same boat as matt hughes, neither fighter evolved a are too 1 dimensional.
liamd, I saw that too, did you see how fat he looked?
Did anyone actually watch it? or are you just arguing over the topic?
His trainer was the one saying it, also all he said was ‘There’s no high level then bj’s JJ, George has strengths in other areas which i think is going to give him the edge on the ground”
We all know George has better wrestling, and if he has his jj high enough where he’s not totally outclassed then he has an advantage.
nope. i dont think hardly anyone watched it. just reacted to the caption.
The headline for this video is clearly deceptive, his trainer said no such thing and said penns bjj is as good as it gets. Serra is also a top bjj fighter and far more acomplished than gsp but look what that got him gsp passed his guard at least twice. I’m not sure how gsp is going to deal with penns flexability though. In this fight gsp is fighting someone for once that has a clear advantage on him in at least one area, unlike anyone else he’s fought in years, serra on paper is better at bjj but when was the last time he submitted anyone?
Gsps fought 19 times has 5 submissions and was submitted once
penn fought 18 times has 5 submissions and has never been submitted
serra has fought 14 times has 4 submissions and has never been submitted.
This is MMA people not a bjj contest with a gi on were penn has a clear advantage. Or a kickboxing match where I think gsp has the advantage regardless of what happened in there fight 2 and a half years ago or a wrestling match where gsp would have the clear advantage. If anyone thinks this fight plays out just like there last fight they’ll be in for a surprise I think as almost no two fights are the same. One guy come get injured have a bad night, get cut etc etc. I hope to god its at least a 3 round war and ends with out controversy and no excuses where one can clearly see who the better fighter is, which I hope is gsp. And another thing why is gsp always talking about how big penn is?????? He has atleast 30lbs of lean body mass on him, gsp walks around 185-187 cut with a six pack and penn doesn’t even look that lean at 155-157, weird.
Bj out boxed gsp for half of one round in a fight over two years ago and everyone keeps bringing up how much of a better striker penn is. I look at the BIG picture in a 5 round fight I’ve seen one out strike the other and in the next round one clearly beat the other. You guys have so little information to go on, completely disregarding all of gsp’s other fights how he uses combo’s,spinning back fist’s, high kicks super man punches etc etc, to me it just show your MMA ignorance. Serra embarrassed the hell out of gsp in there first fight but look at there second fight? Penn ko’s caol uno in 11 seconds in there first fight WOW !!! but in there second fight didn’t and it came to a draw after 5 rounds. Look at the gsp/fitch fight, gsp dominated fitch on the ground and standing in the first but in the second it was very close, then gsp dominates again in the third, going by one round is just plain stupid in my book. If you’ve seen as many MMA fights I have I really don’t see how you could argue my point.
I’m calling veracity. I think GSP has this fight and I think on the feet he’ll keep his distance (BJ is kind of a flat footed striker) and then he’ll power BJ down, stay in the “safe zone” and GnP. Rinse and repeat, 2nd or 3rd RD TKO. You heard it first here. BJ: stay at 55! I can’t wait to see him cry like Forrest!
here’s the deal: bj, who so many people consider a submission god, mounted jack shit in his fight against st. pierre. he has excellent DEFENSE. with a ground monster like georges, however he can’t mount any meaningful OFFENSE against because georges is A) stronger, B) a better wrestler, C) has the most bad ass top control at WW or LW, and D) also has awesome sub defense.
Bottom line, they have two different type of JiJistu. You can argue whose is better till you’re blue in the face. They’re just different.
i seriously can’t wait for this fight. i admit i prefer st. pierre in this fight from an objective standpoint i just don’t see bj being very competitive after 3 or 4 rounds, which is when georges will start owning him on the ground with his relentless cardio and top control…from there it’s only a matter of time before bj gets finished, and i for one would not put it past st. pierre to wear him out and then go for the sub just to make a point like he has against previous opponents strengths.
All I know is anderson silva is one of the few thats really stands alone in one area thats his striking, and penn stands a lone in his flexability. Not sure who the best MMA wrestler is but gsp has to be in the top 5. With take down defense I think penn and gsp are the best in MMA, they both have balance second to none. This is going to be a wicked fight because both guys are outstanding in different aspects of MMA.
Tickets go on sale next week! It will be a great fight.
Who really cares?? Aoki would sub them both one after the other in a BJJ match, and probably sub pen in a LW mma match.
But anyways yeah i believe GSP’s JJ is just as good as Penns if not better.
BJ wins in the 2nd rnd via gogo choke
Yeah like he did the first time right nads. Gsp was a brown belt then and is a black belt now and somehow gsp will do worse?, penn has never submitted a black belt in MMA, if he does get gsp it will be his first. The odds don’t favor penn in a five round fight plain and simple maybe a one round fight LOL, penn is a great light weight champion who should stay at light weight for his own sake, in my opinion he’s all over the place and would fight anderson silva if given the chance, and would get ko’d in the first round. Penns a very talented, slightly overrated and very eccentric person, damn I wish this fight was november 15, the suspense is getting to me.
First of all, I didn’t get the impression that the trainer was outright claiming GSP to be superior to Penn in jiu-jitsu. He was making a qualified statement that takes into account his strength and size advantage and his obvious wrestling superiority. And second, who cares who has better jiu-jitsu? They both have black belts so they both know what they’re doing in there. It will be a very close fight, like the last time. Ultimately, you gotta give the fight to St. Pierre. He’s more well rounded and with his improved BJJ, he has eliminated the only hole in his game. And I think that’s what the trainer was really getting at…
GSP being better at jiu-jitsu than BJ Penn
Ha ha ha ha o he ha ha ha o he ha ha ha
and I thought my jokes were bad
The exact words were
“There is no higher level than BJ’s jiu-jitsu, Georges in my opinion has greater strengths than BJ in different areas. I would’nt put it passed Georges to try to beat BJ on the ground because with his style he adapts to anything. And I think mma jiu-jitsu with the ground and pound and all that I think Georges has an advantage”.
BJ Penn fans need to actually watch the clip first perhaps. I think BJ’s only chance at a submission is rear naked cuz they both are BB jits so it will likely cancel itself out. So it’s a matter of who is better at everything else that will decide the fight.
And I think Georges is better at everything else. BJ could bust Georges in the nose again and he’ll move on to lose a decision just like the last fight or he could lose by TKO. Either way GSP will win.
Ok guys lets break it down…
Hand speed (Standing) BJ(gotta love GSP Superman and BJ Jab but the jab wins)
Kicking GSP (Can kick every where and BJ baby kicks low)
Takedowns GSP (Lets not even go here)
Takedown defence DRAW
Guard passing (GSP) Close but no cigar.
Attack from Guard (BJ) No question.
Submit from back DRAW
Submission defence (BJ but not by any big margin)
Knees (GSP)
Aggression (GSP)
Octogon Control (Draw)
Mental (BJ but not by much) (he lost once it must weigh on his mind)
Flexibility (BJ)
Strength (GSP)
Speed (GSP)
Endurance (GSP)
Gameplan (BJ)
Adaptability (GSP)
Durability (DRAW)
Guys you gotta ask yourselves these questions…
Why did BJ move down in weight divisions if not to run away from all the true competition.
2nd has either ever been submitted…
Who can truly win the stand up game…
BJJ is quite different than the level MMA is right now. Miai will not win his next fight if its anyone slightly even top.
I do not believe BJ should get the match vs GSP as both should have to defend it atleast once.
BJ will have his hands full after the beating he takes from GSP and he has to face off vs K-FLO.
GSP armbar submission to Hughes at UFC 50.
And I think GSP has the durability category as well. BJ punched GSP in the eye and broke his nose but ended up losing still, so GSP has more durability.
I have to add my two cents because i believe i know each fighter very well.There is something that gives the illusion that BJ has this phenomenal bjj skills.That something is his flexibility,people see him get his legs all over and they think that is superior BJJ ,well it is not.All it means is that he has a better chance at a move because of his flexibility,but there are MANY other factors that can nullify it like the main one>>>knowledge.You won’t see GSP try to run from a hold the way Lesnar did allowing it to sink in,he will instead stay tighter and over power penn.
There is no question this fight will end up on the ground with GSP on top.There is a slight chance BJ may with some hold reverse the positioning,but GSP will win the ground game in the long run.While they are in the stand up BJ will do quite well with his jab,however i believe BJ lacks the leg kicks to truly have a stand up game.
I wonder what the hawaiian’s excuse will be when he loses?
GSP on roids; the ref didn’t like me; I was hurt in training – blah, blah, blah
I don’t know if its a hawaiian thing, but i find most of penn’s fans to be complete assholes; they’re ignorant, immature and they LOVE to denigrate other fighters
anyway, I think georges beats “BJ” – but I think it’s a hard fight (penn has that hard hawaiian coconut and is tough to hurt)
BTW I can’t wait for his next excuse either. But I also want to see BJ get humbled at the same time too. He’ll probably just say that he got beat by someone bigger. I guarantee it will be the first thing to come out of Rogan’s mouth when BJ defends the LW belt afterwards.
You can bet on that and it’s probably the reason GSP is making it a point that BJ walks around bigger than him. They are both fighting at 170 lbs and there should be no excuses that GSP won because he is bigger.
BJ has flexible legs and was the BJJ world champ a long time ago, that’s what all of BJ’s famed BJJ is based on, whoop de do. They were on the ground plenty of times in their first fight for BJ to work his ungodly jiu jitsu and he didn’t do shit. Flexible legs help out in a few positions in jiu jitsu but when they are expected and trained to counter, become useless. BJ’s rubber guard is the only thing to really worry about and I’m sure GSP is training to counter it. He should bring in Eddie Bravo, who has better flexibility and BJJ than BJ.
BJ > Eddie Bravo in BJJ any day.
BJ Penn won the BJJ title only after 3 yrs of training! I think GSP’s trainers has taken one too many bong rips.
All I have to say to clear this up real quick,have we ever seen GSP come to the octagon not better than he was in the previous fight ,NO.He is always getting better and better.Can we say the same for Penn ,NO.To me he looks like he has the same skill set that he had when he came in years ago,the only thing that he has improved is his cardio,and we really do not know if that is really better,how do we tell when he is fighting Pulver,Stevenson,and Sherk all people that GSP would kill and he has been fighting at a lower weight class,what is going to happen when he puts the weight back on.Prediction is that GSP clearly beats Penn with a third round stoppage due to ground and pound.Reason is when Penn fought at 170 he was always dead tired by the third,and I do not see anything different this time around.
GSP has improved? Against tailor made opponents. Serra is a LW and 5′5 at best. Sheer size won that for GSP. Koscheck is still very green and one dimensional. Fitch is an execpetion, although he does not have near the natural talent or experience in big fights like BJ. One thing we do know is BJ never gets beat a second time around. BJ seems very, very dangerous right now.
BJ by TKO.
Hughes, Serra, Kos, Fitch > Pulver, Stevenson, Sherk
And a lot of fighters have never been beat twice by the same opponent, it’s not that huge of an accomplishment.
AH Yeah, BJ does get beat a second time. I know BJ fans don’t like to count the TKO Hughes gave him the SECOND fight, but it counts as a LOSS just the same.
Bj did much better against Pulver and nowhere near as good against Uno the second time (draw). Now lets look at how GSP does in rematches, when he knows exactly what he’s up against. GSP is 3 for 3, complete OWNAGE. The one thing we do know is GSP is 9-2 against top 10 (ranked) opponents and BJ is 5-4. GSP has fought more top 10 guys and faired MUCH better.
There is one time that he didn’t show up better, Serra 1 he didn’t even show up period.
It doesn’t really matter who has the better jew jiff shoes, because this is MMA. When you look at what they’ve done in the cage with their jits, it’s close and can be argued in BJ favor because he has the same 5 sub vitories, he has one less fight on his record and GSP has 1 sub against him. It can also be argued that GSP’s 5 subs were more diverse and he got them while being a purple and brown belt.
What can’t be argued (or at least shouldn’t be) is who the better MMA fighter is. This goes to GSP, HANDS DOWN. You can speculate all you want, but the facts are the facts. Against TOP TEN competition GSP is 9-2 and BJ is 5-4. These aren’t my ratings, it was the way they were ranked when they fought BJ or GSP. They both faced roughly 10 top ten guys and it’s not even a debate as to who faired better. GSP is the TOP of the top ten, it’s not looking good for BJ.
Well BJ is always fighting guys bigger than him while GSP is shedding 20lbs to beat up on little guys so those figures are deceiving. GSP doesn’t have the nuts to step in the cage with a 215lb Lyota Machida like BJ did.
Word! Figure it out Gord!! Yea, BJ is running from the good comp, LoL, hes been chasing GSP for 2 years now, get real.
how is he chasing gsp? he went to lw? gsp doesnt duck people- he will fight silva next. i talked to silva about this and he says he likes gsp a lot, so i think this fight will happen! it will be a close and exciting fight- #2 and # 3 in the world fighting. I like gsp with his reach and stand up- bj has done well with his jab against shorter guys and guys with weak stand up- joe stevenson- i like gsp with a convincing decision due to dominate stand up and dominating the ground game with the odd takedown lnp with the odd strike thrown in. either way- its a real treat! we are blessed to see this fight! i want gsp after he wins to say to bj- hey you can come to montreal to trian with me anytime!
I think I get what you are talking about. Is it kinda like that 205 lb BJ who fought Machida, that cuts 50 lbs to beat up on the little LW’s. They are both big for their divisions, it’s completely within the rules and it’s SMART. What’s your point? You make it sound like Hughes,Kos and Fitch don’t cut a bunch of weight. The fact that BJ walks around HEAVIER than GSP and is fighting in a lower weight class, doesn’t really help your point much.
Cant wait til Jan for this to be over between me and your stupid *ss Gord!! Your 0-3 and looking for 0-4, not looking good for Gord!
gord took a beating
Yeah, I got clobbered with a bunch of STUPIDITY,lol. You guys ever hear of reading comprehension? You know, like actually understanding what you read, before you respond. I said,”They both faced roughly 10 top ten guys”, yet AdamG comes back with this crap,”Yea, BJ is running from the good comp, LoL”.
Gord is one of the few guys on this site with a brain, his comments actually make sense and he can back them up with actual statistics. Gord your one of the few guys on this site that I enjoy reading there comments because you seem to be looking at things more analytically than with emotion with out saying dumb things like my favorite will destroy your favorite without anything to back it up. Oh and “gordslord” in gsp’s last 4 fights he fought fitch, serra, hughes, and kosckeck. Hughes, fitch, and koscheck are very close to gsp’s size walking around weight 185-190 in shape. I honestly don’t know what serra walks around at but he definitely isn’t as big as those three and is more like penn and should be fighting at 155. I have to give penn credit for taking on guys bigger than him he’s won 1 (hughes)and lost 3( gsp,hughes and machida)over 155 and most likely will have 4 to his loss list come january 31.
Guys ok i love gsp one of my favorite fighters and being a fellow candian myself im hoping he wins it. But anyone here who says gsp’s bjj game is better than BJ is a fucking dumbass…All i have to say about that is watch the abu dhabi combat club open submission champs……Andre galvao caught gsp with an arm bar in the first round……Gsp won all his other fights besides that cuz of his wrestling……If he cant win the adcc…..and BJ wins the Pan Ams…i really wonder who really has better BJJ….At the end of ther day this is not BJJ its MMA and anything can happen no matter how much we sit and say this guy is more well rounded than that guy end of the day who knows how the fight turns out just look at the silva,Cote fight….
I just cant wait for this fight cuz i know it will be the best fight ever
Serious you guys. The GSP fans that are putting all there hopes and dreams on GSP’s size advantage saving him, you act like Penn has not handled this before!!!
Penn when the distance, competitivly, with a 205′er in Machida, now this isnt some 205 chump, this is an undefeated, never really been in trouble, LHW who most think is most deserving of a current title shot. And now, Penn gets to fight somebody 2 classes below that? Oh yeah, he’s in REEEEEAL trouble size wise, oh brother, give me a break.
get a life dudes!!!
LOL The anomaly whats penns actual WINS with bigger guys, the point is he lost LOL. His only win against a bigger guy is hughes years ago. I think size isn’t really the issue as I think strength and positioning is. Gsp is stronger hands down than penn, more athletic and without a doubt he’ll have more gas in his tank. I know size means squat a 200 lb guy might out lift a 275lb guy it has a lot to do with genetics. Gsp, fitch, koscheck and hughes are very similar size and strength wise but the X factor in those fights in my opinion is gsp is faster,smarter and a better athlete than them. Fitch is the toughest of these guys IMO and the only difference between the two is gsp is the better athlete there evenly match in pretty much every area gsp’s a little faster with better cardio and it made all the difference. Hughes is just plain too slow and koschecks striking is still behind gsp’s he is very fast though just not as advanced as gsp’s. Gsp seems to have better game plans than koscheck too IMO, he has a great camp and he seems to really focus on his opponents weakness, really learns from his mistakes as we have seen with serra 1 vs serra 2 and hughes 1 vs 2 and 3. He looked bad against penn in there first match and I fully expect him to do what he’s done in the past come back stronger, and not make the same mistakes and I fully expect him to go home with his belt after ufc 94.
That is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while.
GSP? Come on, it’s B.J. Penn, he’s The Prodigy. He just knows whats up. haha.
Ahh, well, we all know BJ Penn has better jiu-jitsu than GSP, no matter if you admit it or not.
The Anomaly: ur talking like BJ fought Machida yesterday when Machida was in his prime. Did u even see the fight?!? i doubt it bc u woulndt brag about BJ in that fight. Machida was not even half as good VS BJ yrs ago compared to what he is now, ur such an idiot. When u try and pretend u know what ur talking about, do some research b4 u make stupid comments that have no relevance with regards to todays news/topic.
*** BTW is BJ is so good and fought Machida at 205lbs, then why not set that match up right now and see who wins. BJ would have to add alot of weight and he would be good for half a round, not even b/c…….. Machida would have him KO’d, Tapping out or TKO b4 the 1st round even finsihed.
Brinnging up a lmae ass stat that was yrs ago and that the 2 fighters back then are nothing alike compared to them today makes me wonder y so many stupid people like ur-self even know how to type, or did u get ur mommy to do it 4 you?!?!?
YOU BJ HATERS ARE SMOKING CRACK. fIRST OF ALL BJ IS MORE FOCUSED IN HIS CAREER THAN EVER. SECOND I DIDN’T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH HIS CARDI IN THE SHERK FIGHT OR WHEN HE DEMOLISHED PULVER, AND THIRD, BJ IS A MUCH BETTER FIGHTER THAN SERRA AND GSP LOST TO SERRA. AND ABOUT THE ARGUEMENT OF BJ FIGHTING MACHIDA, MOST FIGHTERS WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MACHIDA BECAUSE HE’S THE ONE FIGHTER THAT PEOPLE CAN’T FIGURE OUT. hIS STYLE IS SO UNORTHODOX THAT FIGHTERS GAME PLANS GO OUT THE WINDOW WHEN THEY GET IN THE RING WITH HIM. WAR BJ PENN BEATING GSP, FLORIAN, AND KOSCHECK. WAR BROCK LESNAR KEEPING THE TITLE FOR A WHILE AND WAR MIKE BROWN TAKING FABER’S TITLE.
no matter what anyone says about either fighter, i’ve got 50 bucks i’m willing to wager that GSP beats penn decisively.
how many people expected GSP to take down and control a great wrestler like koscheck?
obviously not many think georges can do that to BJ. i’m thinking he can. besides, BJ is a jerk and deserves an embarrassing beatdown. i hope he’s a bloody mess by the end.