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Quoteworthy:
“I have a lot knowledge, a lot of secret tools that I haven’t used, I keep it secret and I will do it in the proper moment.”
UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre is already back in Brazil, training for his upcoming superfight against former 170-pound kingpin and current 155-pound titlist BJ Penn at UFC 94 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, on January 31. “Rush” will put his title on the line in a monster rematch against “The Prodigy” on Super Bowl weekend. The pair collided at UFC 58: “USA vs. Canada” back in 2006 with St. Pierre earning the split decision nod — a result that several fans felt went the wrong way. Penn is perhaps the most gifted Brazilian jiu-jitsu specialist competing in his weight class, which is more than likely the reason the uber talented Canadian is already honing his grappling skills. It’s safe to say that St. Pierre is leaving no stone unturned more than three months out from fight night.
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GSP should be able to beat Penn. Penn will not be able to keep up with GSPs speed. Too Good.
GSP will beat BJ, but GSP will not win the standup war, unless he sticks n’ moves and leg kicks… if GSP stays in the pocket with BJ, BJ will cut him fer’ sure and possibly win by TKO. If GSP employs his GnP game, he will win by decision.
BJ’s head is made out of Lava Rock, I’ve seen his face a little puffy, but never bruised or cut and he’s never been KO’d or submitted.
One TKO loss to Hughes, albeit minutes after breaking a rib
anyone who watched the first fight and thought that BJ won was loaded drunk when they watched. watched that over and over and its so clear that GSP won…
Don’t you mean he was STILL holding on to Hughes minutes after (Not) breaking a rib, he would NOT be able to hold Hughes with a broken rib. That excuse is lame, he GASSED his legs, that’s why he couldn’t step away from Matt’s punches. Unless BJ broke his rib BETWEEN rounds it just DOESN’T fit.
The rib injury was confirmed dude. He was medically suspended for it. And BJ never mentioned it. People found out because of the medical report after the event.
There is a difference between injured and BROKEN Dude. Where’s your answer to how BJ could hold Hughes to the bell (with a broken rib) and then all the sudden he can’t even bend his knees or his rubber legs would give out? Are you saying he broke his rib sitting on his stool between round?
His rib was dislocated…… just had it happen to me, IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look gord, you usually have the best GSP arguements out there, but facts are facts bro, the dude tore up his rib pieces, seperated them, it freakin hurts.
He probably did the damage, then the combined factors that after the time at which he said he hurt it, all he did was use his legs to control hughes with that triangle, they didnt move much, plus he was trying to finish it with a burst of adrenaline I could imagin. But your right, the struggle there still probably made it worse, and by the tiem he walked back to his corner he probably new the fight was not gonna be goin his way anymore.
I DON’T doubt the rib injury, I know it takes away your core strength. My point is, if it was bad enough to be the sole reason for losing, there is no way he could still hold on to Hughes to the bell. An injured rib does a lot, but one thing it doesn’t cause is stiff legs that can’t bend at the knee, Burnt legs cause exactly that. Come on, even Rogan though BJ burnt his legs out. So did Hughes’s corner. I’ve watched that fight over and over and I keep seeing gassed legs (i’ve had gassed legs and if you bend your knee, you collapse)I really am unbiased in this case, I couldn’t care a less who won. The only problem I have with, “BJ just used his legs to hold the triangle”, is Hughes said , he wasn’t worried about the triangle,it was the armbar that was tight. BJ went for broke and tried to finish Hughes in the 2nd and he hurt his rib and burnt his legs, however considering he held the armbar to the bell and he had to use the fence to walk back to his corner, I think it’s more reasonable to presume that the burnt legs are what caused Hughes to be able to out strike Penn in the 3rd. Of course you have to conceed that BJ made a mistake, but there’s no shame in that, all fighters make mistakes.
If you watched that fight over and over again you could plainly see that BJ was giving Hughes a beating as bad as GSP gave him, before he damaged his ribs which was medically confirmed. BJ was taking Hughes to school it was embarrasing. I have bruised my ribs by foolishly letting bench press bar bounce off of them. I thought I was going to have a heart attack, every time I tried to take a breath the pain was unbelievable one of the more severe types I have felt. I am sure that BJ’S injury was a lot worse than mine. There was no way tht BJ could have done anything after that, just breathing in and out brings tears to your eyes. If you have felt that sort of pain then you would understand that he did not lose because he gassed. I admit that I don’t particulrly like Hughes, but when it comes to fights I tell it how I see it. I like GSP a lot more than I do Serra, but in their fight I will always say that Serra did not win by luck although he was lucky to win, he clealy beat GSP in the exchanges plain and simple and followed it up nicely when he knocked him down. Luck had nothing to do with it. GSP got tagged. Would happen again, maybe by BJ, but not by the likes of Serra.
I agree with your perception of the Serra – GSP fight. Serra was the better man that night, but he was lucky to get a less than 100% GSP that fight. GSP made a mistake. Why can’t BJ fans admit BJ made a mistake? I said he gassed his legs, I didn’t say he gassed. Did you keep benchpressing when you injured your ribs (BJ kept the armbar on)? Could you still walk normally,(BJ couldn’t)? I did see BJ making Hughes look bad for the first 2 rounds and I also seen Hughes making BJ look bad in the 3rd, because he had rubber legs. We see it differently, it doesn’t matter, it’s up to the fighter to get through a fight uninjured. I’m a fan of Cote, but he got injured and he LOST, plain and simple.
The only guy’s BJ’s dominated in the stand up is, sean sherk and Joe Stevenson, Two guys build like the T rex (Short little arms).
You forgot to mention GSP, you konw, in there first fight.
How did BJ dominate GSP standing up? Look at the fight metric stats. It was pretty even. Are you just looking at the fighters’ faces? If that’s your determining factor, then we need to reverse a lot of decisions in MMA, K-1, MT, boxing, etc.
Penn has been stopped by Hughes. BJ wont be able to jab the shit out of GSP like he did in the last fight GSP is just to fast. Penn has a good chance but GSP is taking this fight by TKO.
Dude, what? Get out of town with that lame comment. Being a fan of GSP and a fan of MMA are two different things: That is why this is a Super Fight, two well rounded fighters in their prime going head to head, too close to call!I give the nod to the Prodigy because he’s on a roll and winning convincingly and with a chip on his shoulder. He’s a bad man!
Ya, you’re right.
GSP certainly hasn’t dominated anyone since his loss to Serra.
Lol.
His win over Serra the second time was pretty dominating.
He may of not finished Fitch but he won all 5 rounds. Don’t you think that is dominating Jas? Plus GSP is fighting tougher comptetion. Example, Fitch and Kos both could beat Sherk and Joe Daddy.
Uh … I think Jas was being sarcastic. We all know GSP has dominated every fight since.
And GSP isn’t on a roll, destroying better competition, even more convincingly?
no he shouldn’t, but now that he can spit fire from his mouth and throw ice from his fingers as well as throw more superman punches than anyone else in mma history, Im scared he may win!
“secret tools” lmfao, so secret no ones ever seen them…kinda like that spinning elbow that’s useless in a fight that he does in all the pre fight videos!
secret weapons? Go Twist your nipples GSP, you gonna need it!
only chance GSP has is to out point BJ Penn. gSP doesnt have the ability to hurt BJ Penn!
BJ doesn’t have enough nipples to twist, to give him the LUCK he will need to beat GSP. GSP said he will finish Penn, and he WILL. It’s not even going to be a close fight. Yeah, Yeah BJ’s different, just like Fitch and everyone else you (and many others)said would make it a close fight. Did you notice the tone change in GSP’s voice when he said there won’t be any controversy this time. He has something to prove and when he has something to prove, He PROVES it, plain and simple.
Don’t forget that BJ can’t hurt GSP, unless his vision is impaired, not to mention he can’t even finish GSP when he is hurt and vision impaired. I’m surprised they didn’t stop the fight (like they usually do) to let GSP recover his vision. Thumbs in the eye are ILLEGAL, whether intentional or not. Sounds like some people are counting on GSP getting poked in both eyes this time, because BJ sure didn’t do anything once GSP got his vision back.
Excuses excuses. Eye pokes happen in like 1 out of 5 fights, that is alot. Nobody has EVER blamed them for a loss. GSP could have taken a break like everyone does when they actually need one. So either he is stupid, or his eye wasnt as bad as he and you say.
I’m not blaming them for a loss, because GSP WON. Maybe you are right and it wasn’t that bad and it was just a coincidence that BJ’s most damaging blow occured seconds after the poke. I think it was a little stupid on GSP’s part to not take a break against a dangerous guy like BJ. Like you said,”1 out of 5 fights eye pokes happen”. Those odds say it’s not likely to happen again in this fight. That’s my whole point when ever I mention the eye poke. That shot to the nose really hindered GSP’s cardio and performance and I’m just suggesting without the poke, maybe there wouldn’t be a broken nose. I just hope there are no eye pokes or separated ribs or any other excuses and they both show up better than they ever have and may the better man win. Hopefully convincingly, I don’t know if I can go through another 3 years of this never ending debate,lol.
I’m willing to bet that Anthony Johnson blames an eye poke for his loss when Burns detached his retina and Mazz ruled it a TKO. But that’s beside the point. This is going to be a great fight. I think GSP has the edge due to his cardio, wrestling and overall striking game, but anything can happen in the fight. Also, GSP has performed better in the second fight against both of the previous opponents he has faced multiple times.
No offense to all the BJ fans but am looking forward to George destroying him. BJ should stay in his own division and be happy.
That division belonged to BJ when GSP was still a teenager.
GSP rules now. This is not the past and GSP is way to dominate. I really do hope the best for BJ and that he doesn’t get hurt to bad.
Wish in one hand and sh*t in the other. This fight will be right down to the wire, and there will be no destruction from either side. I wish fans of certain fighters would be more objective, and not just shout about their favorite guy until fight night. If I were a betting man, I would place alot of money that this will be the greatest fight in MMA history, but it will go to decision.
You are right this will be a very exciting fight. No I don’t really like BJ but GSP is in a class by himself. If you ask a BJ fan he will say BJ by destruction. To each his own.
UT. i agree. 1rst off, i think you can throw their 1rst fight out the window, i dont think it will have any bearing on their upcoming fight, both fighters have improved drastically. i dont see one fighter having any huge advantage over the other in any department of mma. if anyone thinks 1 fighter is gonna just run right through the other, they are nuts imo. i do slightly favour gsp though .i think he has been more impressive in his wins against toughter opponents in his last 4 fights against kos,hughes,serra and fitch than b.j. has been in his 3 wins over jens,joe daddy and sherk. i know the mma math thing is b.s., but there aint much left to go by. i still say this fight is 50/50 and could go either way.
also like ive said before, picking the winner of this fight is like picking who is the hotter jessica, alba or biel. i like biel, but you cant go wrong with either.:)
BJ is a very good fighter, IMO he can’t hang with the level GSP is at. As far as not counting thier first fight if BJ would not have lost there would not be a second. BJ is consumed with avenging a loss when he should be consumed with defending his title. He is way to arrogant and that is why I am not a BJ fan and really hope GSP rips him a new one.
BW, You’re right that MMA math is not applicable here. Especially when youre bouncing around weight classes. If you want to talk about who would dominate their respective divisions better, I’d give the edge to BJ. I truly believe that he would finish ANYONE at 155, and there would be no decision wins. GSP has shown that thats not the case for him at 170, even though he does dominate the decsion wins. Stylistically, I think this fight favors BJ. His TD defense is second only to GSP himself, and his striking style gave GSP fits before, not to mention he has an iron chin. On the ground, we’ll have to see. GSP did nothing against BJ’s guard in the first fight. I’m sorry, but you can’t just throw that out the window. I guarantee both fighters have based alot of their training on how they did against eachother in the first fight.
I’ll point out one example of how BJ just feels his striking game: In GSP/Hughes 2, GSP threw several leg kicks, and then Hughes started checking them. GSP then kicked PAST the front leg check and tripped Hughes with a very nice inside leg kick to Hughes’ back leg; GSP tried the very same maneuver against BJ in their fight and BJ hopped over it with his front leg, and checked it nicely with the back leg, all the while not even glancing down, or losing focus. Watching BJ strike is like watching an art form. Everything flows in and out, and he is always calm and composed, which may come from the confidence he has on his back, knowing he’s safe if he does get taken down.
UT.you say gsp did nothing in bj’s guard, what did bj do? he never came close to a submission and georges seemed to be able to hold him there at will. some people say all gsp did was get a couple of takedowns, but what did b.j. do, he did nothing, just laid there. gsp did get the side mount with about 10 seconds left in the 3rd and if that had been a title fight for 5 rnds, gsp would have stopped bj and this fight might be a non-factor. i still dont belive their 1rst fight will have any bearing on the 2nd, but thats just my opinion. as far as their competiton since they last fought, gsp not being able to finish fitch or kos is more of testament of them being superior fighters as compared to jens,sherk, or stevenson. gsp has fought bigger, stronger, better fighters than what bj has. i think the gsp of today would finish jens, stevenson, and sherk in the 1rst rnd easily. yes mma math doesnt work, but if you are going to bring up who is more dominant in their respective divisions, comparisons must be made.
No offence, but I’m not sure how GSP would do against Pulver,Sherk, or Stevenson at 155. I’m not even sure if GSP is able to fight effectively at 155. He seems to big and has too much muscle mass to get to 155 imo. By the way, this isn’t a dig on GSP. He’s a class act and incredible athlete. Penn is a great fighter as well. I can’t wait for this fight.
oh there’s no way gsp could make 155, i was just speaking in general.
B.W.. Ill tell you what. GSP could not issue the GnP he wanted on Penn in fight one, and what did Penn do from bottom you ask? Exactly what he wanted, STAND BACK UP. He wasnt going for subs except in the last 5 seconds going for broke. GSP held Penn down for like 1 minute at teh longest, THATS what Penn did from bottom.
ANAMOLY. he got back up and got put right back down. you saw the fight the way you wanted to see it.
I could beat Tito at 155 because for him to make weight he’s have to cut off a leg
Let me correct myself. GSP was 22 or 23 when BJ won the WW belt from Hughes at UFC 46. Interesting to note that GSP made his UFC debut with a UD win over Karo “Don’t you know who I am?!” Parysian on that fight card. Funny how things work out.
HAHAHA “Do you know who I am?”…”DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?” Yes, you are mister gatekeeper of the ww devision aka mr. decisions who got ktfo by Alves.
Karo said that, not Hughes.
He was refering to Karo.
DAMN, I was referring to KARO.
Can you honestly say BJ has ever been destroyed? All of his losses come by decision with one exception and that loss was in the last round. Even the loss to Lyoto MAchida giving 30lbs, he went the full 3 rounds and actually did ok. GSP chances of destruction are slim to none. GSP’s chances of a split decision are more likely. There is actually a better chance of GSP actually showing a secret weapon then him destroying Penn.
I wonder what the secret weapon will be! Maybe a little, “Get Over Here” as a snake magically flys from his palms or better yet maybe he will pull off the crane….Get’em a Body Bag! Sweep the LEg GSP, Sweep The LEg!
this is the best statement, even when hughes (dominated the last round) won, bj was dominating hughes the first two!
Its gonna be a great fight, but I think Gsp should take it!
GSP 4th round tko!
LOL, that’s exactly how I’m calling it mmanutz! 2 good rounds followed by Penn fading in the 3rd and getting TKO’d in the 4th by GSP.
GSP couldn’t do it to a off the couch BJ, then how is he going to it this time? Let me guess your from Canada! This is how i see it GSP will get the take down and maybe get top. BJ plays rubber gaurd like he did before in mission control, then he go’s for the sweep with the olma plata and then takes top passes and gets mount and from here its domination!!!!!!!!!!!
Although I would love to see it that way, NOONE has mounted GSP. He spends little to no time on his back. I’d love to see BJ finish him with a triangle from the rubber guard though.
Well what do you know.. it’s some more of this “you must be from Canada” bullshit. Get a clue, pal. GSP is legitimately a true champion and I know that he’ll have what it takes to beat BJ for a second time. Needless to say this will be one hell of a fight.
Yeah, what’s with the dummies that keep saying,”you must be from Canada”? Did they miss that those (apparently from Canada guys) said, “Cote WON’T get destroyed in the 1st”like they WRONGFULLY predicted. Since when do you have to be from the same country as the fighter you are a fan of.
Why do all the Penn fanboys assume those who think GSP wins this rematch are from Canada? Why do Penn fans think that it’s inconceivable for GSP to beat Penn? Fear?
Not all of us think that way. Believe me, I routed for GSP against Hughes and Kos. It just so happens that BJ and Wanderlei are my favorite fighters, so I always root for them. Lol, now don’t go and assume I’m from Hawaii or Brazil! I’m a lifelong NYer.
And why don’t GSP fans call BJ nut-huggers Hawaiians[or should I say, Americans]? LOL!
lol! true. some people such as myself like both fighters alot, but eventually have to decide on who they think will win.
I’m with you b.w. I went back and forth on who I wanted to win for a while finally settling on GSP due to the tie-breaker: I don’t want the belts and the champs of each division to get thrown all out of whack…plus I want to see Alves challenge GSP for the title.
b.w. whats up homie? Maybe Im posting abit late but f*ck it! GSP is the f*ckin man at WW! Theres no way BJ will take that from him. I just got in and I saw this thread. Im kinda drunk, man there was alot of cops on the street.
lol! yeah you gotta watch out for old john-law. i know from experience.
What ever your smoking Caz, have another, it must be some really good shit.
I see this one going 5 full rounds, BJ winning the first 3 and GSP winning the last 2. Maybe another split decision, going either way. GSP has a TON more to lose on this one, and he has folded under pressure at least twice before, and almost did against BJ in the first fight. I also couldn’t care less about BJ’s weight, as long as he looks as lean as he did in his last 3 fights. As far as secret tools, thats GSP’s sad attempt at head games. What else could he have? We know his striking, his wrestling, and his jiujitsu. All top notch, but he’s not THAT much better than he was when they fought the first time. Did he learn magic or how to fly? If he did have secret tools, then he’s a chump and an idiot for not using them against Fitch or Koscheck, both fights he did not finish. That’s just GSP running his mouth and hyping the fight. If he is that over-confident, he will lose that belt again.
gsp running his mouth? have you heard bj’s allegations that gsp is on steroids? it was in a joking manner, but bj definetly has the edge when it comes to trash talking, being cocky and running his mouth.
School-em b.w.!!!!!!!
hahahahahaha B.W. did you see the site of that magazine apologize for putting words in BJ’s mouth? Never happened bro. Niether dude here is running there mouth.
hahahah what? ive seen video footage of bj talking smack on gsp, saying he went for a points win and such. remember bj is the one calling out gsp, wanting to make his legend off of gps name. bj always talks smack, so no surprise. bj is always a classsy guy in victory, but how about in defeat? just wait till the fight nears, we’ll see who does the most trash talking and who does their talking with their fists.
The only point that Utapout was making though is valid. If you have these incredible secret weapons why did he not use them to finish his KOS or Fitch…You can’t argue that. FActs are fact yes he dominated them both but why not finish the fight if you have some sort of hidden ability.
B.W., BJ doesn’t need to use GSP to establish his legend. He’s done that on his own.
lol can’t wait for this fight!
it’s gonna be a huge wake up call to BJs fans!
HUGE, wake up call. GSP will make BJ look bad and he WILL finish him. If you look at this fight objectively, it WON’T be a close fight, like so many think. BJ has a chance to win, but it doesn’t look good. Against most opponents, BJ’s great TD defence, great hands and ability to get a choke, would be to much for them. The problem is, GSP is FAR above most opponents and he will have very little problems with these hurtles. BJ will have a HUGE hurtle and that will be keeping up with GSP’s relentless pace. I don’t care if BJ has better conditioning, he was breathing pretty hard after 2 rounds with Joe and his cardio will STILL fall short to make it 5 rounds with GSP. BJ WILL get FINISHED, mark my words.
5 rounds HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA,, how can anyone for a split second think this one is going 5 rounds. BJ has no cardio, even in the sherk fight it was an avg paced fight his hands were low and he kept sherk at bay with the jab, he looked exhausted!!! BJ has done well in the stand up against guys with T rex arms, GSP has leg kids a strong long Jab, phenomenal wrestling, the best cardio in MMA. HAHAHA its a joke to think this is going 5 rounds. BJ will be pounded out by the 3rd or 4th round, I really believe he will be caught he same way he did in the crucifix against Hughes. Noone can control GSPs hips and hes not going to be submitted cmon guys. Even the first fight the only reason he got caught except for the bleeding out of his nose (that was a legit shot) was that open thumb punch that BJ did. Im still pissed that we are prolonging the real super fight with Silva and GSP screw this fight, GSP will put a clinic on BJ and the only reason this will be fun to watch is because he will be without a doubt the number 2 pound for pound in the world. (Fedor being number one)
As for GSP hiding his tools, bro he brings new stuff to every new fight if you can beat someone why not save them, especially when your fighting guys like Koschek,, what tools do you need when all youhave to do is put him on his back. Fitch,, he brought out a few but still he handidly dominated him so easily that it didnt look like he needed to.
GSP is not over confident he will never make that mistake again and he s not. the only person who has a huge ego is BJ whining about wanting to fight everyone for the title,, hes a spoiled fighter who is a very good fighter but not as good as he thinks. since coming back he got pounded out by hughes, lost to GSP convincingly, won against stevenson whose still a kid, beat sherk because of reach and he took care of pulver which was good. Even his trash talk is simple, umm he takes steroids hahaha im going to lick man sweat off my gloves when im done blow job penn is going to learn something in MMA january 31st!
Someone needs to teach you a few things about MMA, and a few more things about how to punctuate your sentences. Your argument seems alot less convincing when you sound like you’re 8. Also, he didn’t dominate Kos. He won a clear cut decision, but he didn’t do any damage. Thats not dominance. We’ll see where everything lies when its over. I’m not going to bother wasting my time arguing with someone that can’t be objective.
Maybe he didn’t dominate Kos like he did Serra, Hughes and Fitch, but he broke him mentally just the same. Kos was congradulating GSP with a couple of minutes left in the fight. Kos gave up and quit before the fight was even over, so he must have felt some sort of dominance over him.
Kos admitted later that he hadn’t trained in the right areas. He was too confident in his wrestling, and trained only stand up.
WTF are you saying? Hello, you don’t use every single technique you know in every single fight!! It has to be the appropriate move for the appropriate situation.
I guarantee that GSP will not show us anything we haven’t seen before in this fight.
Well, GSP WILL destroy Penn and I haven’t seen that before,lol. I must say I’m looking forward to it though. Come on now, how can you gaurantee a fighter that is always adding to his game and getting better every fight, not bring something new. Some BJ fans will be surprised, some will be pissed, but you will be in the RUDE AWAKENING group.
Hey dude, your NEVER gonna hear the end of it from me when PEnnn upsets. This whole situation reminds me of the BJ coming up from LW the first time agaisnt Hughes.
“Hughes will be to big and strong for BJ”
“BJ has bitten off more then he can chew”
SOunds familiar eye chaps? Some people just never learn from history, so its just gonna have to repeat itself.
ANAMOLY. did you just compare gsp in his prime to hughes in his prime? LMAO! i respect your opinion on most matters, but you have no objectivity pertaining to this fight whatsoever. whats next, are you gonna bring up his supposed “glass jaw or his “mental weakness”?
I’ll take my chances of never hearing the end of it. It’s not that I don’t learn from my mistakes, it’s just that GSP doesn’t let me down (I haven’t been wrong yet on GSP). I analize his fights to death and I read between the lines in his interveiws. He always does what he says he is going to do. He never said he would destroy Serra 1 and he didn’t. His prefight Serra interveiws had me worried and his entrance to the fight seeled the deal. He lost that fight before it even started. I also beleive he won his other fights before they even started. With his new found confidence in BJJ, you are going to see some sick subs in GSP’s upcoming fights, just like the wrestling clinics he put on in his last few. Listen to GSP when he says,”It is up to me to make these guys (his BJJ team) proud, so I have to use my BJJ to win fights”. You won’t hear very many “I told you so’s” from me when GSP beats Penn , but AdamG is going to get verbally RAPED,lol
Gord, why would you verbally rape AdamG? Because you’re butt-hurt that AdamG has been right in his last 3 predictions on BJ’s fights? As far as me fitting into the “rude-awakening” group, just read my other comments. I am one of the only objective posters on here. BJ is my favorite fighter, but I’m not so stupid to think that He’s going to crush GSP. I can definitely see GSP winning this fight. Like I said before, I think its going to be a razor thin decision, and could go either way.
No, that’s not why. Adam went on and on how Bj would DESTROY Sherk in the first few minutes of the fight. 90% of my argument was Sherk will last at least 3 rounds (and he did). Adam was right about about BJ winning and I was right about almost every other thing we were debating. After the fight he went on and on about how he was right, when in fact he was wrong about everything, except the out come. I never really thought Sherk would beat BJ, but if you haven’t noticed, I will ALWAYS go against lack of logic and objectivity. I can’t help it,lol
Lets hope GSP doesn’t get injured training.
I would hate for this fight to be delayed any further
lets hope niether fighter gets hurt, and both are in tip-top shape. dont jinx it! lol.
And I said something wrong Mania?
they blocked a couple of my posts too…check em tomorrow and see of they went up. I think there are some keywords they look to moderate pr something.
In the interview GSP said BJ Penn was a big guy, even bigger than he is at this point. I just think that’s funny because GSP would naturally have the size advantage at any moment.
i think he’s right. b.j. has dwarfed guys like jens,stevenson, and sherk at 155. there very well could not be much of an advantage in size and strength between these 2.
B.W, my 3 year old son dwarfes Sherk. lol
Sherk may be short,but he isnt small.
If he’s bigger, it isn’t muscle. I’ve never seen a big BJ Penn that wasn’t chuby.
look at bjpenn.com to see some of his training videos. He’s definitely packing on some muscle.
This is a great fight. You could break it down all day, and still make a legitimate argument that either fighter could win. I must admit a slight bias toward BJ, but I believe this will be back and forth. My one predition is that they will likely NOT come out guns blazing, but instead will feel each other out. Both have improved since their last time out, it’ll be 3 years by the time this happens. These are two fighters that don’t make a lot of mistakes, I don’t think this will end quickly, GSP is a better athlete, and BJ is physically tougher. On paper it’s likely neither will completely dominate. But $*!T happens, so who knows.
i agree, i pretty much said the same thing above, before i scrolled down and read your post. i think this fight cant help but be an all-time classic.
well stated…couldnt agree more
Great post. Classic confrontation. The better athlete vs the better fighter. Could go either way.
With the success GSP has had in his last 4 fights by attacking first, I DOUBT he will piss around. The last time he pissed around (Serra 1), he got TKOed. I could count the seconds on my hands and feet that it took GSP to take-down Serra, Kos and Fitch, combind. Hughes didn’t last much longer. BJ will be on his back before he knows it and he’s going to gas with that powerhouse on top of him. I wouldn’t doubt if he gets up a few times (he good at that), but he’s going to eventually gas. GSP top control is amongst the best in all of MMA. He really makes his opponents expend a lot of energy on the bottom. He also has recently (since Jackson) made everyone pay for attempting a submission. I could come up with a few ways Alves could beat GSP, but BJ, not ONE.
I wouldn’t consider feeling out and pissing around the same thing. I know what you’re saying though. I just feel that BJ represents some problems that those other fighters don’t. Both guys are bad @$$e$ and have been tearing through competition lately. I don’t mean that I expect a staring contest for the first round, just not a bullrush.
The loss to Serra was what it was, I think that monkey really is off GSP’s back now. But the last guy to really do anything with him was Penn. It was a close decision. GSP clearly out worked BJ, but his face got all jacked up in the process. He had to work hard for his takedowns, and BJ was quite successful at getting back up. And for all the talk of how bad BJ gassed in that fight, he did get a takedown in the third, he just couldn’t keep him down. And he almost got a gogoplata at the end of the fight, not exactly the type of thing that Fitch or Kos are known for. BJ’s cardio will be in question until he clearly proves it is not. This fight will more than likely tell us that. Both have improved alot since the last fight.
The question is not whether BJ has the talent to hang with GSP, but whether he can keep pace with him. On the other hand BJ was beating GSP to the punch during the first fight, which is why he took it to the ground. That eye poke was minor, and was a factor for only a few seconds. But like I said what I love about this fight it that you can pick it apart all you want, but there is reason to believe that either fighter can win.
Can BJ overcome the super athlete? Can GSP bang with the crazy Hawaiian? Should be fun. God I hope this lives up to the hype.
It took him some time before he got the take downs against BJ the first time around. Nobody has ever really taken BJ down at will in the begining of fights and I do not see it happening here. If he is able to take BJ down at will it will not be till the at least the 3rd.
I for one love BJ’s new health regime and though it may not be that of GSPs, it will pose GSP with more problems then you all realize. I for one am completely looking foward to this fight.
Gord to rebuttle on you comment that GSP has some of the best top control in MMA, BJ has the best or among the best bottom control in MMA, alot of times not expending a lot of energy. So those 2 things could essentially stale mate.
Da Monkey, I won’t argue with that. I have said many times to give BJ the credit as to why GSP didn’t do much when he was on top. BJ’s defence from the bottom is unreal. GSP was able to get side control on BJ a few seconds before the end of the fight, because he was gassed. I hope people don’t think I under estimate BJ’s skill. I don’t see either one of them taking the other one out while they are fresh. I don’t see the degree of one’s TD defence really mattering either against GSP. He’s proven he can take anyone down 80-85% (average over his UFC career, probably a lot higher as of late) of the time. My take on the fight really boils down to GSP being able to wear Penn out and then finish him. The pace of GSP’s last 3 fights, makes me very confident this will happen. I’m well aware of what BJ brings to the table, I’m not so sure some BJ fans are, of what GSP brings.
Alves beating GSP HA your betting the wrong way. Anyone who thinks Alves would beat GSP is crazy or doesnt know what they’re talking about. Alves got TKO’d by Fitch and GSP would do the same thing.
If Bj’s cardio is where he says it’s at, then this would be another problem GSP has to face. not only that, but sklls-wise, IMO GSP has made leaps and bounds since the last fight. BJ I believe has already peaked.
In any case, I believe in the comment above by utapout. This will definitely go down the wire once again. Gsp won’t out-strike Penn because Penn is no slouch on the stand-up department, and GSP on the other hand would just negate all of GSP’s submission attempts. They’ll just virtually cancel out each other, though their fighting styles are way different from each other.
GSP is a class act and always shows respect for his opponent, which is one reason I like him so much. I lost all respect for BJ after all of the insults and trash talking he did about Sean Sherk prior to their title fight. I would love nothing more than to see GSP dominate and humiliate the arrogance out of BJ Penn. I realize that may be hard to do, but if anyone can, it is GSP.
What about all the trash talk between GSP and Serra before the 2nd fight? Its meant to hype a fight. BJ is a classy guy too.
I definitely think BJ can run his mouth off before a fight and come acroos as classless. However, you’ll notice after the Sherk fight that he was cool with him, invited him to Hawaii, and were hanging out and joking at a photo shoot. I think BJ likes to hype a fight whilst attempting to mess with his opponents psyche. It’s all part of what makes BJ, BJ. That being said, I hope GSP drills his pumpkin head into the ground.
Lol, I like that last comment. It was unexpected. Very nice.
No way BJ wins and no way this goes the distance. GSP is in his own league. BJ wants to avenge a loss but will not work out in his favor. NO OFFENSE TO BJ WHO IS A GOOD FIGHTER JUST IMO DONT THINK HE CAN BEAT GSP.
I’m just waiting for someone to call you a nuthugger. Thats what happens to me when I say Fedor is in a league of his own. GSP is a phenom, but 170 is too tough a division to call him that. Mark my words right here. If BJ doesn’t beat GSP, then Alves will. He sure beat the crap out of Kos the other night.
I just don’t like Bj, it doesn’t matter who he is fighting. A hater maybe but not a nuthugger. BJ is a very good fighter but his arrogance is his downfall. He should be more worried about defending his title than avenging a loss. MY PERSONAL OPINION.
And Fedor is a monster in his own league and until someone puts him down he will stay that way.
I wasn’t calling you a nuthugger. I hate that crap. People say that stuff because they can’t formulate a good counterpoint to an argument. I can understand why you’d hate BJ. Thats the same reason I hate guys like Kos, Karo Parysian, Nate and Nick Diaz, and Melvin Guillard (especially that clown). I hate it when guys run their mouth like theyre god, and can’t back it up. I just think BJ’s confident in himself. He’s good to his fans, and he always shakes his opponents hand afterwards, win lose or draw.
No offense taken there UT and I totally agree with all the guys you mentioned.
Good to know Vette. I think we probably would see eye to eye on most things. I will admit that I’m biased to BJ because I was a student of brazilian jiujitsu, and BJ’s is about as good as it gets(in MMA anyway). Watching BJ for me is literally like watching a master of a craft.
GSP clean out the division !
Beat every WW who had chance to be Champion…
He is in a league of his own !
Can you say CONTRADICTION? You mention how tough 170 is then say GSP isn’t in a leage of his own. GSP has BEATEN EVERYONE (owned most) he’s faced in that tough division. If that doesn’t put him in a leage of his own, WHAT DOES?
Throw 10 wins over “CANS” on GSP’s record like Fedor has and GSP would be 27-2. You can’t compare apples to oranges. GSP hasn’t fought as many cans (freebies),so you either have to take 10 wins off of Fedor’s record or add 10 wins to GSP’s,because neither one of these guys is losing to a can. Fedor has 1 less loss and 7 decision wins and GSP has 5 decision wins. It could be argued GSP has more wins over top guys in his respective division. Fedor beat Nog,CC,Sylvia and from lighter weight classes, Arona, Sobral and Lindland. Is this list really more impressive than the top guys GSP has beaten? When you compare their opponents win-loss records, it’s clear GSP has more wins against better opponents. Sylvia is the only top guy (in Fedor’s weight class) that he finished. GSP has finished several top guys.
I know Fedor has finished guys like Hunt 5-4 , Colman 15-8, Randleman 17-12, Futgita 15-7 and HH 28-14, but look at their loss columes.
Truthfully i love GSP and i think he will take this fight, but i can see a upset- penn is no kid himself.. but is he tougher than fitch?? no is he better than fitch only in BJJ- not in striking or wrestling.. and GSP took care of that nicely.. the problem is that GSP is a better MMA fighter than BJ yes bj has great ground game, but his stand up isn’t as good as GSP plus gsp is faster, stronger, so the edge does go to GSP. but again its mma and anything can happen
ricky, I mostly except for GSP’s stand-up v Penn’s. GSP has been a little gun shy after his loss to Serra and has reverted more to wrestling his opponents. Also, when the two went head to head, GSP HAD to take the fight to the ground because Penn was destroying GSP’s face in that first round. I know GSP has great stand-up but he needs to get his confidence back and steer clear of Penn’s legendary jab.
I’m glad that someone else recognizes that GSP is afraid to strike with a good striker now.
Boys this is getting a little old. Ever since the loss to Serra (4 victories ago) a lot of people talk about GSP being gun shy. The bottom line is that GSP now puts together incredible game plans and sticks to them. If they call for strikes he strikes and if it calls for takedowns he goes to a ground game. Everyone said the same thing before GSP’s last fight and not only did he put on a striking clinic he took some pretty good shots and stayed in there. So in all seriousness, where do you see evidence that he is gun shy?
Yeah the Fitch fight did kind of poke a hole in our argument. IMO, GSP’s only real weakness is his mental state. I know he hasn’t shown any evidence of it in a while, but I’ll never fully trust that GSP is all there mentally.
SilasM, I want GSP to win but he hasn’t been the amazing striker he used to be. When I say “gun shy”, I’m comparing him to how he used to be. Yeah, he’s had four fights but that resulted in two decisions, an armbar, and knees to Serra on the ground. His being gun shy will be old as soon as he knocks someone the f out. That’s fine that he puts together incredible game plans…they just often include lots of wrestling.
GSP’s striking credentials are better, but that doesn’t mean anything. GSP has been lumped up a few times, and KTFO’d once by Serra. BJ has never been cut, and Ive never seen him rocked or even bruised. Meanwhile, BJ has brutal standing KO’s over Uno, Din Thomas, and Sherk, to name a few. He also rocked Joe Daddy and Pulver before finishing them. GSP is good, but BJ is better in the striking department. And Fitch is kind of out of that ballpark. Fitch is a really tough guy that works really hard to get the best out of what he has, but he lacks the natural talent that Bj and GSP have.
your kidding right?? BJ got his ass fed to him by Matt Hughes.. never seen a bruis?? and GSP tapped out due to strikes.. he wasn’t knocked out at all… do you watch ufc??BJ has been hurt many many times-
You’ll notice that I said stand up. And Hughes didnt hurt BJ at all. BJ was trapped and the fight got called after Hughes hit him with about 100 of these tiny little grazing shots. You say he’s been hurt many many times? Please name any other time that BJ has been hurt and in any real danger. GSP tapping due to strikes is your other argument? I’m sorry but you have one twisted sense of what matters in an MMA fight.
Let’s just hope that this fight won’t climax as Sliva-Cote and at the end GSP wins and says “I am impressed with BJ perfooormaaance”
That reminds me of a funny video on youtube…i hope embedding works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrd4T5emiH4
Seriously Mania, I have excellent points to contribute, and I’m always respectful. Why oh why, do you censor some of my best work?
Ok so right after I posted this, my comments went up. As pennance for my lack of patience, I am going to superglue my d*ck to my stomach.
HAHAHA WTF?
WOW GSP LOOKS LIKE HE COULD FIGHT AT 205 LOL!!!
All this debating is useless, fedor and anderson silva are the only super dominate fighters in there weight class’s right now. These guys seem invincible and are in a class of there own. Gsp and penn are good in there weight classes but in my opinion not as good as fedor and silva. Ever other fighter seems to get ko’d or submitted in a shocking manner too many examples to name. Nobody know’s what will happen in this fights and all I know is most gsp fans will be surprised if penn wins and penn fans will be surprised if gsp wins. Personally I think gsp will win but no one really knows for sure gsp/serra 1 really messed with my head. Every fight is different you really need to fight 10 times to see who the better fighter is. Serra and penn fought and it was very close, surprising eh, there are so many factors than affect a fight its not even funny. One thing I know for sure is there are no guarantees in MMA, thats what makes the sport great, anything can happen. The mighty fedor or silva or penn could get ko’d there human and I guarantee it can happen. I think people place too much emphasis on previous fights as a predictor of the next but way too many times the fight is very different, can’t wait for jan 31 to see what happens, too bad its so far away.
Meh… there’s so many talents in the WW and LW division… I mean MW is the weaker division in the UFC… And Fedor…I love him but I’am tired of seeing him fighting cans…
Yo know I like the next person am dying to see Fedor get NO’d in wonderful fashion especially after the way he hung on to the top rope vs Matt Linland after getting his face busted open like a faucet, I think that completely effected the outcome of that fight. Credit is due thogh where credit is due. FEdor stompped a mudhole in Tim Sylvia who took the UFC Belove Randy Couture 5 rounds. There is nobody left for Fedor. After seeing the Sylvia fight I think he would make an example out Couture as well. Lets see how he does against Arlovski. ARlovski has great Top game but only an average ground game and with Fedors ability to submit at will, it will be interesting to see how he does.
Yes the MW division of the UFC is week, but Rich FRanklin, Nate MArquardt, and Dan Henderson are not-and Anderson made simple work out of the 3 of them.
This time I don’t agree with you. If GSP fought the extra 10 “CANS” Fedor fought, his record would be 27-2. The only top HW Fedor has finished is Sylvia on a LOSING skid. If you concider the UFC WW division the WORST place to build a great record and the fact that GSP has FINISHED many more top guys than Fedor has, than I don’t see how Fedor’s 1 less loss can account for more than GSP’s more dominant wins,(finishes)against tougher competition. GSP’s competition has steadily gotten better and Fedor has amassed 1/3 of his wins, by beating up nobodies. Don’t get me wrong, Fedor is great, I just think if he fought all the top HW’s (there are more HW’s that pose different problems than Nog, CC and Sylvia) he might just have 2 or 3 more loses.
I see GSP going to this fight as a favourite but I also see vision of BJ taking RNC in the second
its quite rare to see title fights these days where i am actually torn between who i think will win… at present we have been given 2 huge fights randy vs brock and BJ GSP where i honestly cant pick a winner
GSP is looking huge but id say BJ should be able to overcome the weight issue (guy who walks around at 165 vs guy who walks around at 190-195), better than randy will at 230 vs close to 300
GSPs wrestling is at an unbelievable level and he has the best mma wrestling at 170, probably better than most of the 185ers too
my head says brock + GSP
but my heart says randy +BJ
wont be able to bet on either fight as randy brock is close to even money, and i never bet against captain america
BJ will be no more than +170, and i guess with me not seeing much value in the bet, that GSP is the slight favourite imho
his secret tools are his friends from canada
Oh that’s something new, another stupid comment about Canada. Another example of why cousins shouldn’t fuck. It must be legal down there.
I think BJ is gonna go for the KO aswell, this fight will be a stand up war. I dont think GSPs jits is as good as BJs and Im sure he knows that. BJs jits is on another level man.
Secret tools? please! its a fight, punch kick, elbow, takedown – no secret there. whats he gonna do, fart on his face
Spoken like a true WWE fan.. Strategy is a HUGE part of MMA bro. If it was “punch kick, elbow, takedown” Greg Jackson would be out of a job.
LOL. GSP 2nd round TKO via Canadian stink face.
This fight imo will be a very close split decision.
If this fight goes 5 rounds, IMO Penn better have won the first 3 because he’s not going to be at the same cardio level as GSP late in the fight.
I know that this is not the case, but if BJ wants this fight so bad against the champ of the WW division than he SHOULD have to put his belt on the line as well. If he loses than he works back up to get it. A loss is a loss wether you decided to fight out of your weight class or not. It’s not even the same as anderson silva dabbling at 205, he didn’t just get to fight for the title right away. And if he did, the ufc should have put both belts on the line.
Woodie, totally agree with you man. I truthfully dont understand why this fight is going, BJ is 0-2 last two times he fought at welterweight, thats the reason he dropped weight to get some wins under his belt. Also the WW division is stacked there are so many people GSP can fight and so many people for BJ to fight. I want to see BJ Florian i think thats going to be a huge war 5 rounds with the fans seeing it 3-2 for Florian but because of Politics they ll let BJ keep the belt. But i def agree with BJ having to lose his belt if he loses, because no matter what happens when GSP wins people will say oh BJ is a lightweight, he wasnt as strong, he s got balls for taking that fight blah blah blah
The only way they could go title for title, was if it was a 155 fight. And if you think he should be stripped just because he lost in a different division, then why didn’t Hendo lose his Pride 185 belt after losing to Rampage?
Sorry,but you can only lose the 155 belt to someone who fights you at 155.If GSP wants to cut weight and fight at 155 then I agree.But if he’s gonna fight at 170 then he has no claim to the 155 belt.
Good point. When Anderson Silva fought at 205 it wasnt for his 185 title either. excellent point.
D@mn straight. In fact, I think that BJ and Alves should take on GSP and Kenflo in a tag team, falls count anywhere, winner take all, loser leaves town, tag team extravaganza…Oh wait. This isn’t the WWE forum? My bad.
Anyone know what the reach is of Penn vs GSP. Does one of them have an advantage?
GSP has about a 3″ reach advantage.
I don’t remember their reachs but I believe GSP is an inch taller than Penn. That doesn’t automatically mean he has a longer reach though.
In the first fight, the reach was listed as GSP 76, Penn 73
GSP got this. BJ as much as I like him he is not in the same league as GSP. No shame in that I don’t anyone is in the same league as GSP in WW division. I personally rather see Alves vs GSP would be a better fight.
lmao r u serious gsp gonna win bj penn didnt even finish matt hughes in the second fight and gsp finished him pretty easy hes to strong got more power now and hes always gonna be more conditioned
where is the supposed video / how do i get too it? when you blick on the ion all i can get is the picture…
Click on the InTheGuard.TV link.
BJ rocks! Fuck GSP. GSP done first round. BJ fights accordingly to each fighter. He’s a type of fighter that can kick it into the next gear if the need be. GSP is wicked. He is one of my favorites. But BJ is the bomb. He is so flexible, black belt jijitsu, not like GSP who just started taking lessons last yr and calls himself a blackbelt. Lets see guys. I call BJ in the 1st round. And just so everyone knows, BJ is a close friend of mine and he’s so ready for this fight. I’ll keep things posted
You know BJ personally? cool.
GSP has been training in BJJ for a long time. You don’t get to his level without BJJ. That said, his BJJ is not on the level that BJ’s is.
I cant wait to hear all the BJ fans excuses as to why GSP won, the rib thing in the Matt Hughes fight is a classic…
He was medically suspended for it. It was a confirmed injury. And while I have never exprienced this myself, I hear that separating a rib hurts like hell, and makes it extremely hard to breath. I’m not saying he would have definetly won had the injury not occured, but it was a factor in the lose.
or loss. Oops.
I think if it goes more than 3 rounds, BJ will be wearing out and GSP will put on a clinic. We know GSP can go hard for 5 rounds but when have we seen BJ go 5 rounds?
It will be an entertaining fight, not matter who wins.
Did you watch the video? GSP did joke over Brazilian Wrestling
http://www.intheguard.tv/portal/index.php?channel=2§ion=2&action=1&id=86
The point is even a unfocused and ill condition BJ Penn took GSP the distance and gave him a lickin’. IMO I think BJ won. People say that GSP is new and improved since the Serra fight, but really he’s had favorable matchups which play into his cards. Serra is 5′5 and a natural LW. GSP outsized him dramatically. Koscheck is very green and still to one demesional. Jon Fitch is a bit of an exception, but still he doesn’t have near the stand up or natural talent as BJ Penn. BJ’s also had way bigger fights and has fought more top tier fighters. Besides did I mention BJ is freakishly flexible?
Best GSP video on youtube LMFAO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6f1aPR15GA
same song, better vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-beMYQ-K0&feature=related
LOL, now that’s a f*cking funny vid!
That was pretty funny
hah that was funny
GSP learned how to fart fire. Thats his secret weapon.
That was a very funny video.