UFC 91: “Couture vs. Lesnar,” which is being billed as the “biggest fight in UFC history,” is set to take place TONIGHT (November 15) from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada.
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Without further delay, see below for the latest UFC 91 results. (Note: This will go from the bottom up; therefore, scroll toward the bottom for the latest detailed round-by-round action!)
UFC 91 QUICK RESULTS:
Brock Lesnar defeats Randy Couture via TKO (strikes) Round 2
Kenny Florian defeats Joe Stevenson via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Round 1
Dustin Hazelett defeats Tamden McCrory via Submission (Armbar) Round 1
Gabriel Gonzaga defeats Josh Hendricks via TKO (Strikes) Round 1
Demian Maia defeats Nate Quarry via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Round 1
Aaron Riley defeats Jorge Gurgel via unanimous decision
Jeremy Stephens defeats Rafael dos Anjos via knockout in round three
Mark Bocek defeats Alvin Robinson via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Round 3
Matt Brown defeats Ryan Thomas via Submission (Armbar) Round 2
UFC 91 BLOW-BY-BLOW LIVE MAIN CARD COMMENTARY:
Druby here for one of the biggest nights in UFC History, regardless out outcome this will be one to remember. So lets get to the blood and guts and roll out Maniacs.
UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar (265-pound limit)
Round one: Coture goes for a short right, Lesnar clinches and lands a couple solid knees to the body. Another knee from Lesnar. Clinched up against the fence. Brock with a knee to the thigh. Lesnar with knees to the thighs. BIG right hand from Coture but Lesnar barely blinks. Hook from Coture. Lesnar goes for a double leg shot. Coture stuffs it. Now their clinched against the fence again. Lesnar with a HUGE slam for the take down. Randy holding onto the head to stop Brock from advancing. Brock mounts briefly but Coture gets out. Coture now gets a take down, but Lesnar reverses and is back on top of Coture. Coture with half guard. Lesnar with some punches. Lesnar tries to pin down Cotures arm and lands two big punches. Lesnar again looking to pin the arm. Coture spins and is on his knees and back to his feet and the crowd roars. Now their clinched against the fence and Brock looks tired. Knees to the thigh from Lesnar. Coture going for the high crotch take down. Thats the bell, close round but id give it to Lesnar for being in the dominant position. Coture does not looked over matched though.
Round two: Jab from Lesnar. BIG elbow from Lesnar and Randy is hurt. Coture is now holding Lesnar against the fence and recovering b/c he was rocked. Coture with a big knee to the face. Still clinched against the fence. Big knee from Lesnar then a right and Randy lands two HUGE rights but Brock isnt fazed. Hook from Lesnar Coture with a jab. Both fighters exchange rights. Lesnar is cut above his right eye now. Their clinched against the fence again. Randy holding him against the fence trying to wear on Lesnar and test his conditioning. Knee from Coture and one from Lesnar. Lesnar lands a big right to the temple and now Lesnar lands a HUGE hammer fist. Lesnar is on top trying to finish the fight!!!! Lesnar landing a bunch of unanswered rights. Thats it!!!! The fight is over!!! Brock Lesnar finishes the champ, Brock Lesnar is the new heavyweight champ!!!! WOW. An amazing performance. Unbelievable.
Final result: Brock Lesnar defeats Randy Couture via TKO (strikes) Round 2
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Kenny Florian vs. Joe Stevenson (155-pound limit)
Round one: Inside leg kick from Ken Flo. Florian light on his feet Joe Daddy stalking. Body shot then hook from Ken Flo. Flying knee from Florian. Nice right hook from Joe Daddy, then he goes for a double leg. Ken Flo gets taken down but he bounces right back up. Their up against the cage. Joe Daddy lifts him up for a slam but Florian grabs the cage to avoid damage and gets a warning from Herb Dean. Florian back up to the feet. Jab from Florian. Head kick from Florian. Stevenson just a relentless pace and continuously chasing Florian. Ken Flo with a body lock then a big slam for the take down. Joe Daddy with full guard. Ken Flo postures up and then hops right into the mount. Joe Daddy rolls over and now gives up his back. Florian locks in the rear naked choke, and thats it the fight is over. Kenny Florian with an impressive victory over an extremely tough opponent. WOW. Stevenson was doing well and then Florian just put on a clinic in ju jitsu on the ground. Florian impressive, and now it looks like he has a date with BJ Penn in the future, it should be a good one.
Final result: Kenny Florian defeats Joe Stevenson via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) in round 1
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Dustin Hazelett vs. Tamdan McCrory (170-pound limit)
Round one: McCrory comes out with an Amazing flurry of punches and throws some great combos. Hazelett lands a big front kick and goes for a flying knee but misses. Great start. Hazelett with a nice leg kick, Barncat with a headkick. Body kick from McCrory. HUGE straight right by Hazelett wobbles Barncat. BIG leg kick from Barncat. Nice leg kick from McCrory. Nice leg kick from McCrory. Nice head kick from Hazelett knocks McCrory down and Hazelett locks in the Oma Plata. McCrory escapes but Hazelett has another Oma Plata locked in. Barncat looking for a way to get out, and Hazelett cranks the arm and thats it McCrory taps out. Great fight, awesome pace and alot of stand up and it ended in a amazing submission.
Final result: Dustin Hazelett defeats Tamden McCrory via Submission (Armbar) Round 1
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Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Josh Hendricks (265-pound limit)
Round one: Hendricks goes for legs right away. Gonzaga lands a big right hand. Another nice right and left from Gonzaga. Napo showing good power. Clinch from Gonzaga and hes landing big knees to the mid section. HUGE right from Gonzaga and Hendricks folds up, Gonzaga lands 3 more unanswered shots and thats the fight. Vicious power from Gonzaga, a much needed win for Napo. Great knockout.
Final result: Gabriel Gonzaga defeats Josh Hendricks via TKO (Strikes) Round 1
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Demian Maia vs. Nate Quarry (185-pound limit)
Round one: Maia with a quick jab then a shot, Quarry stuffs it but Maia pulls guard. Maia reverses position and now hes on top in half guard. Maia now immediately moves to mount and makes it look effortless. Quarry gives the back, and Maia has the body lock in and is looking for the choke. Hes throwing punches and softening him up. Quarry with his chin down and Maia just waiting it out and using his punches to try to get the opening he needs. Maia with a big shot and then he locks it in on Quarry and thats the fight. Maia makes it look easy. His ground game is next to none. Amazing showing from Maia.
Final result: Demian Maia defeats Nate Quarry via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Round 1
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Randy Couture
Joe Stevenson
Amir Sadollah
Josh Hendricks
Demian Maia
Dustin Hazelett
Jorge Gurgel
Jeremy Stephens
Alvin Robinson
Matt Riddle
Is Quarry and Maia a number 1 contender match?
i wouldn’t pay for this PPV, this card stinks and i’m not even excited to see a wwe fighter wanna be, fight a guy who might hang up his gloves after 2 more fights.
i love randy but he is wasting our time cause i want to see the best fights and he is waiting around too long to fight fedor
fighter wannabe? Have you seen his two fights? Absolute domination until the mir submission
Mazzagatti dropped the ball in the Mir fight. Mir was well on his way to getting TKOed, but Mazagatti seemed a little to anxoius to punish Brock for his lack of experience and because he came out extremely agressive. Brock will always have that stigma of the WWE. Even if he destroys Randy people will say Randy was too old, ect…
BNF, I saw an interview with Bobby Lashly on MMArated. He said something like, there are fighters who used to be teachers and then got into MMA. But wrestling is a martial art of MMA. So why would a guy that was in pro wrestling but has real wrestling credentials gets hated on? It was something like that, and it made good sense. WWE may be fake, but Brock has proven hes for real!
mikeybear? not sure what you mean but Randy is the UFC champ defending his title….you want the best, Randy beat big Tim and Gonzaga….not sure what else you are looking for? Brock vs Randy is a pick’em fight. Not bad for a title PPV
JV, I am not sure why he gets hated on so much either. He was a National Champion wrestler. Who else has done that in MMA? At least Koscheck gets hated because of his horrible personality. Brock was a millionaire WWE guy who decided to give up all that to train his butt off in MMA. He came into the UFC to fight the best and that is what he is doing. People don’t have to like him, but I just don’t see how people can’t respect what he has done.
I agree 100%. Its really no joke what he is doing. Dude is serious business. I agree that he is too young in the sport for a title shot.. but he has been thrown to the wolves, and handled it very very well so far. He might just have the title for a long time. I really hope to see Mir beat Nog… just so Brock can have a revenge fight. I guarantee the outcome would be different.
Tough chance for Mir tho… I have always thought he was way overrated as a fighter. Fantastic jits tho.
I agree with Mikeybear. UFC cards have been mediocre lately. They pretty much have best fighters in the world. To come up with these kinds of cards are quite disappointing.
first of all, Brock hit mir in the back of the head repeatedly, it was a good stand up. I’m not saying this because I was rooting for mir, it was a legit move on mazagatti’s part!
This card is weak. I truly don’t believe Brock is ready for Randy, but I also didn’t think he was ready for Herring either. This is me admitting I was wrong to disprove you guys saying I’m a moron for the Mir comment.
I’ll buy the ppv, but am not looking forward to it.
stinky, if you truly paid those guys, I wanna play this time, cash flow is low, not working!!!
ufc 91 could be better, but it’s not mediocre. you would have to have something else to compare it to, to call it mediocre. it probably wouldnt matter if they did have another “big” fight on this card, some people would still complain. ufc 92 is off the charts, but i can remember some douche posting that ” besides the 3 main event fights, this card (92) sucks!”. so if they had the wandi/rampage on 91 would it be great? sure it would, but then 92 would be considered “weak” or “mediocre”. i think i’ll wait and see how the fights unfold, before i’ll deem an event a success or a bust.
ufc 91 sucks, hands down… there isnt one match im really excited about on there
your not excited about brock/randy or florian/stevenson? even quarry/maia and mclovin/barncat are interesting. wasnt elite xc your thing? i think telling someone that they are or are not a”real mma fan” is stupid, so i wont go there, but maybee, like your buddy introturd, mma is not your thing and you should take up watching figureskating……..or ballet.
Kevin, go back and watch the Mir fight. Brock only hit him in the back of the head 1 time. Generally during and GNP flurry, 1 accidental hit to the back of the head does not constitute a restart. Mazagatti, new Brock was a newbee and anticipated a rookie error, a veteran would not have been stood up.
BNF, there was a gif of it, it was a lot more than 1 strike, I’ll try to find it and post it!
yea i forgot about kenflo/daddy match up… thatll be a good one
b.w. you are absolutly right. People who don’t consider the UFC the best organization will always find an excuse to bash them or a PPV card. 91 is not as good as 92 on paper, but what is? 92 is probaly the best or 2nd best card of the year.
People should have learned their lesson this weekend. Last week I joked about Sherk/Griffen staying on the feet and being fight of the night, well that is exactly what happened. Just because it looks lame on paper to some people, that by no means makes true. There is nothing better on a Saturday night than some beer and a UFC event.
BNF. right on!
Kevin, I have watched it several times and I thought it was an unfair restart. Post it if you want, but that is my opinion.
BEER & UFC!!!!!! you can count me in! Oh and Mir did get hit in the back of the head, but Mir turned his head trying to hide from Brocks hammers! And what was up with the point taken away? Theres warnings for that first right?
Exactly JV. Mazzagatti jumped all over Brock, I think unfairly. If that were Randy pounding Mir’s head in, I gaurentee no restart and definatly no point taken!!!
I agree BNF! Mazzaggatti messed that fight up. THats why Brock and his management wrote a letter to the commission asking that Mazzagatti not be allowed to referee the Couture/Brock fight and the commission granted him his wish. Mazzagatti didnt even give him a warning…
Great point about if that would have been Couture pounding on the back of Mir’s head then the fight would have never been stopped!
My beef with UFC 91 is that the best fight on the entire card and my fight of the night prediction, McLovin vs. the Barncatt wont be aired!
mazz didnt give him enough of a warning to merit a stand-up and a point reduction. even worse, he never acknowledged the error and should have apologized afterwards. agreed on the barncat/mclovin fight being on the undercard, it should be on the main. hopefully there will be a quick fight and they show it like they did lietes/mcfedries after the cigano/werdum fight, or it is a great fight and is shown for free on ufc.com. does anyone know who josh hendicks is? could he be the next upset fighter like cigano?
i just looked up hendricks on fight finder and see that he has won his last 4 fights by sub or tko, but they are against nobodies. before that he lost to the likes of sam hogar and travis wiuff. he doesnt look that impressive either (not that it means anything). gonzaga should be fighter a tougher opponent.
fighting.
hopefully Gonzaga comes into the fight in shape, if not he is suspect!
lol, he’s suspect no matter what, and I’m a fan!
Better not be. I am a giant fan of Maia, but i know that he’s at least two fights away from a title shot. Quarry is just there to answer questions about his standup which it won’t. He’ll sub him at the end of Rd1.
I would love to see Randy drop to 205 and fight Anderson Silva.
This card is a freakshow. Biggest PPV of all time my ass.
+1. Brock Lesnar is a can
I really like the Couture odds at + 100
been saying it for 2 weeks, finally a thread to put it in. mania puts the lines up, but doesn’t let us (ME) talk about them!
Lesnar is nothing to Couture man
Lesner Couture fight was obviously fixed! Give us a break. Glancing blow in the second round causes Randy Couture to fall helplessly to his back. Nice job trying to go out to a highly publicized opponent, but at 45 we all should have figured that he was done. How much money did they pay Randy to go down in round two? It’s funny how Lesner came out with tons of sponsors all over his gear while Randy came out in a sweatshirt with Couture on it. I suppose Dana White paid Randy enough to refuse Tapout’s offer to sponsor his disgraceful dive. It’s going to be real hard to take UFC seriously after this.
randy was hit HARD behind the ear. you take the same shot and i’ll tell you you were faking when you wake up.
Couture
Florian
Sadollah
Gonzaga
Maia
Hazelett
Gurgel
Dos Anjos
Robinson
Riddle
(yawn)
elite xc cards were better than this eh intro?
Better? As far as quality of fighters?…no. As far as entertainment?…..yes.
If you want entertainment over quality then go to a strip club in the bad part of town. And don’t forget to duck when things start flying.
well the last rumored elite xc card looked alot better than this one, id rather watch alvarez/diaz and villasenor/lawler over this freakshow event
I got lesnar with gnp stoppage….
Not sure why the Hazelett vs. McCrory fight isn’t on the televised portion. Hazelett’s fights are always entertaining. Amir vs. Catone should be on the undercard.
They never put TUF winners on the prelims.I think its in the contract for the winner.
Just a BUNCH of fights I’m looking forward to on this card! Looking for Lesnar over Couture, Florian for the win (but should be a nice fight), Amir (curious to see how he’s progressed since TUF), Maia over Quarry, shame Hazelett might not be seen. Think this will be enjoyed at a bar, beer and shot in hand!
Agreed.
Am I the only one that thinks the fight card should be stronger than it is?
All it needed was a good co-main event! It will still be a big success with Randy/Brock. But it could have been bigger.
i like the nat the rock quarry., hope he can beat maia. good card but could be a bit better. like dec card.
I really like Nate as well. If he can keep it up he will win. If it goes to the ground, he better get up quick or its over.
yeah dude i really want Nate to win…he’s screwed if the fight goes to the ground. hopefully Nate can showcase some good takedown defense.
i got:
Couture
Florian
Gonzaga
Amir
Quarry
Hazelett
Gurgel
Stephens
Robinson
Thomas (I can’t stand Riddle)
Should be a good set of fights. I’ll probably miss them, because my Army ROTC unit has an FTX that weekend. Pissed I was when I heard about it. lol. That will be the slowest weekend EVER!
Florian beats Joe. Couture beats Lesnar. Dana loses more hair. Oh he’s already bald,haha
I lot of people are picking Randy and I get that. I am going to pick Randy to pass the torch to Brock. What he lacks in technique and experience, he will make up for with his physcial gifts.
Pretty shi**y main card, honestly. Main event and co-main event are good, as is Rock vs Maia. McCrory vs Hazelett should be on the main card, not Sadollah. Considering the size of the December card I feel like there should be at least one more big fight on the main card. Something like Marquardt vs Okami.
I agree with you completely.
I don’t know why they didn’t move one of the match ups from UFC 90 that was on the undercard to this card.
I like Amir but I really don’t care about him fighting Catone, and if he loses he is going to look like a moron on PPV.
I would rather see Jeremy Stephens vs. Rafael dos Anjos, that fight has fireworks written all over it.
im very skeptical of the quarry vs maia it could be very boring or stupidly exciting!
agreed…let’s go ROCK! i want to see him win again…by knockout…or tko…something exciting dammit!!
I really think Randy looks skinny lately. He had beefed up a bit for the Gonzaga fight but he seems to have lost mass during the layoff. Seems like a bad thing for fighting such a huge guy. any other opinions?
I agree, didn’t couture come in close to 230 against Gonzaga? I bet he needed that to bully gonzaga and dirty box him, smother him against the cage.
Lesnar takes this. This is a 45 year old man
Randy Couture looks so small/skinny standing next to Lesnar.
i used to not like kenny florian but after meeting and talking to him face to face during ufc 87 weekend he is cool in my book looking for 1st round stoppage by hellbows.
Brock will win by F5
I think maia and quarry has fight of the night written all over it but IMO I need to take maia
lol F5 ftw
brock will destroy randy
This is Randy’s fight, he might lose the first 2 rds and take some dmg but if he can avoid the big shots he’ll take it. I think Brock’s cardio will be the downfall, if Randy can make him work without gasing himself in the process the big guy will be sucking wind hard by the 4th rd. I think Couture drags this into deep water and gets a split decision, sub or stoppage via gnp in the 4th/5th rd.
Have you ever seen Brock suck wind? The guy has incredible cardio. I agree that the longer the fight goes, the better are Randy’s chances of catching Brock due to Randy’s experience. But Brock won’t lose because of lack of cardio.
I just realized. If you multiply Brocks entire record by 8, you get Randy Coutures record.
I pick:
Lesnar-it could end in the first round of go all the way, there’s no way to know. but i think Brock will take it home.
Florian-he’s the man. he wont beat BJ but he’ll beat everyone else
Amir-im with you guys..i dont care about this fight. Amir will win though. Probably by decision.
Gonzaga-who cares about this fight…
Maia-fight of the night!!! Maia by sub in second round!
definitely agree with the maia pick, he might eventually be one of the greats if he can develop a good stand up, on the ground theres no equal for him
this is actually a bs card…bring on ufc 92!
whatever happens between lesnar and couture i just hope minotauro subs the winner and gets the undisputed title he deserves!!
I’m confused on why people are questioning brocks cardio, maybe someone can help me out on that one. I personally think brocks cardio is excellent and he probably is top 3 in that department for heavyweights. I also feel that when brock takes randy down that if he ends up on top, randy is not getting up the entire round. I only say that because brock is bigger, faster and stronger than couture. So I’m going to predict brock will beat randy in the same fashion he beat herring. I’m just praying that something can be done to get randy and fedor in the cage before the end of next year so fedor can finally put randy back into retirement.
those are pretty valid points, especially the cardio, but i also think randy is much more skilled than herring in every way. plus, lesnar got that one punch in the beginning of the fight that really messed herring up. i think randy can take this one
its not possible lesnar got 100x better betweeen fights last time so even if he only gets a little better he wins brutally
I detect a lot of accuracy in your comment.
Sherk has a ton of muscle mass, and he’s got better cardio than practically any UFC fighter. And I think Lesnar trains with him. I mean, how many good MMA gyms can there be in Minnesota? Besides, Brock fought some marathon matches in WWE, so 25 minutes shouldn’t be a problem for him.
lol yeah the WWE really gets you ready for an MMA match
lol right on brendan!
It’s just the fact that he’s so big, the more muscle mass, the more oxygen/harder the heart has to work to keep his body working/moving at peak performance. I think for a guy his size he has the gas tank to plow ahead %100 in a 3 rd fight, but 5 rds imo is a different story. Also curious to see how his cardio holds up after taking some solid shots to the chin, assuming Randy can land a few good ones before the clinch/take down. Besides, bigger doesn’t always mean better, look at Bob Sap, even when that guy was in shape and ready for a fight, he gassed 3-5 mins in. Granted he’s even bigger than Brock, but still, Brock’s a really big guy, and his lungs/heart are gonna be workin overtime tryin to keep up with Randy in the later rounds.
I totally agree with you Marz that couture is beyond herring in the skills department. I think the fight will be somewhat boring with brock taking the safe approach by taking couture down, controlling him and avoiding any posistion where he could get submitted. But we all know couture is never to be counted out and he does come up with the best fight plans to counter his opponent. I’m very anxious to see how this fight plays out.
yea man same here haha
Couture only has two submission wins in his career, a RNC over Tony Halme in his second pro fight in 1997 and an anaconda choke win over Mike Van Arsdale in 2005. Brock would be making a huge mistake if he shows the same respect to Randy’s sub game that he did with Herring. By contrast, all eight of Randy’s losses have been by TKO or sub, four of each, so it’s more likely that Brock pounds Randy out than it is for Randy to get the sub win.
Anyone else thinking Hazelett vs. McCrory will be Fight of The Night?
I think fight of the night all depends on how the brock/randy fight goes. If their fight goes 5 rounds then they will win fight of the night but if it doesn’t I think the hazelett/mccrory fight will be.
Joe Daddy by GUILLOTINE in the late 2nd round.
Brock Lesnar by TKO or BRUTAL KO
Kenny Florian by UD
Nick Catone by UD
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Josh Hendricks (who cares)
Nate Quarry by TKO
Under card
Dustin Hazelett by submission
Jorge Gurgel vs. Aaron Riley (who cares)
Jeremy Stephens vs. Rafael dos Anjos (who cares)
Mark Bocek by submission
Ryan Thomas by TKO
who cares about stephens vs dos anjos…. are you crazy? that is going to be fireworks… i bet stephens gets knockout of the night or maybe fight of the night…
Updated:
Aaron Riley by TKO
Plain and simple; Brock Lesnar will be a long reigning HW Champ someday, if not on the 15th. However, he doesn’t deserve a shot yet and although this is a huge money maker for the UFC it seriously hurts the professionalism of the organization. Further, it’s a slap in the face to other HWs who have toiled for years to get a title shot. This point cannot be argued!
Well put SilasM . Even if a fast up incomer like “Alves” or “Lesnar” look great , you need to be “PROVEN” . We seen fast rising stars get knocked flat in the past while true , full of heart warriors stand by the wayside waiting and waiting to get their chance . As for the fight , because it will sell tickets ,maybe , never count out Randy the Wizard . He will find Lesnars weak spots and train to bring them out in the fight . Lesnar is a large S.Sherk but experience usually prevales if it goes past the 1st .
I’m putting money on Couture, ever since I heard he was training with Shane Carwin. Shane is as big as Brock and probably just as strong, he’s 6′3 and cutting weight to make 265 as well, so it’s definatley not BS when Randy says he’s rolled with a guy just as big/strong as Brock Lesnar. If he’s handling Carwin in the gym, then he’s gonna handle Brock too.
Who says he is handeling Carwin in the gym?
the sentence starts with the word IF
Randy will Destroy that BIG JUICER. I really think lesnar is lesser.
HA HA! in nelson from the simpsons voice
i cant wait to see if brock can take a punch. randy cant hit that hard so this will be a good test for him.
True Randy isn’t known for his punching power, but he did put big Tim on the deck, that has to count for something.
true, but imagine if shane carwin would have landed that shot on tim. he woulda been out. if randy lands a square on on brock, if he has a good chin, he should be able to recover and not get submitted or mounted.
I think Brock has a good chin, but it’s not just about the chin some go down just because they don’t like getting hit and takes the easy way out, lets see if has the will to continue or if he’s gonna look for the easy way out after taking some good shots and getting rocked..
lol you guys have to get off the Couture wagon. Randy’s days are over.
yeah, I’m trying to think of who proved that!! The last time he lost was to chuck at LHW. I’m not a randy fan, but he’s still relevant in the HW division!
But he’s relevant at best. He is, no offense, over-rated, and IMO, anyone who thought he would actually hold on to the belt, was simply delusional. Not to rub it in, cuz I’ve had a few beers, and a shot or two, but TOLD YOU GUYS SO. lol. Figures. I don’t bet on fights and I get every single one right. If I bet a penny, I lose. In my best Bart Simpson voice,”Craptacular.”
I’m going with…..
- McLovin and BarnCat as fight-O-the night. McLovin to win.
- Maia and Quarry as submission of the night. Maia to win.
- Couture and Lesnar as K.O. of the night. No clue who wins.
The other fights I’m not sold on.
nah.. mcclovin for sub of night
Kenny will finish Stevenson i hope.
I think the fight of The Night will go to Couture/Lesnar
Barncat by decision
and Maia by triangle
Is nobody as stolked on the Joe/Kenny fight as I am?
it just sounds stupid when they keep mentioning that fight all the time when they’re talking about Couture vs Lesnar, ít should be the 2nd fight of the main card or something not a co-main event, sure they’re both good but they’re names are not good at all..
Early prediction: Nate gets a vicious knockout leaving Maia injured and requiring assistance to the locker room! Some will find this idea funny! But, I’m not joking! Quarry will power through anything thrown at him, and he will destroy his opponent in his next several fights! This guy is something different, now! He’s not the same guy he was before his surgery!
HA HA! in nelson voice from the simpsons
Here are the future results:
Lesnar
Ken-Flo
Sadollah
Gonzaga
Maia
BArn cat
Bocek
Riddle
this is what i think right now:
Lesnar brutal KO
Ken-fag
Sadollah
Gonzaga
Maia
… the biggest ufc ppv event..yeah right.tickets are still available up to now…how long has it been since they started selling it? a month? its gonna draw big but still far from the lidell vs ortiz in 2006..the tickets were sold out right away in that fight amounting to 5 million…right now its way cheaper with the total amount if sold out is 3 million…
and Dana’s favorite DEAD sport of boxing.has an event in dec 6.de la hoya vs pacquiao..mgm also.they sold out in 2 minutes with a total of 17 million dollars. and these guys are fighting at 147lbs ONLY…..far from being heavyweights
anyways cotoure would win!!
hey buddy kevin the only reason why the liddel against ortiz sold is becuase everyone literally everyone that has never watched ufc before loves chuck there all nut huggers liddel is junk
lesnar tko
kenny split dec.
Saddolah UD
Gonzaga tko
Narry ko
Mclovin sub
UFC is banking on the main event being so popular (which it most likely will be to the casual fan) that the rest of the card leaves something to be desired. It’s a shame that the McLovin vs. Barncat (meowww) fight won’t be televised. 2 if not 3 of the televised fights shouldn’t be above it.
Can Lesnar hold Couture when it goes to the ground? Thats my question. The way he held Heith.
I cant wait to see if brock can take a punch. randy cant hit that hard so this will be a good test for him.
It should be the other way around can Couture take a punch from Brock
I think Rampage and Brock should fight if you want to see a fight!
Does anyone see this fight as a passing of the torch? i saw couture’s first fight(s) in the ufc and i saw a pure althlete using wreslting abillity and “natural” talent dominate oppenents as he learned to become a hybrid as they say in mma and be a massive success ( does anyone see that potential in lesnar? ) i really think the ufc is hoping for a passing of the torch so to speak and when you here couture say he doesnt care if he wins or loses its obv he just wants fedor and retirement rite after. I am a huge couture fan but i really think lesnar can do it.
Here is what wil happen and you will all know that I stuck my neck out and called it: Randy will come out like Fedor did against Tim Silvia and hit Brock with a one-two. Brocks stand up suck he can’t kick can’t box and has no foot work or head movement. Randy will beat on him slam him and choke him out in round one.
Doesn’t anyone remember Royce beating guys 100lbs more than himself over and over again. Wrestlers like Severn and brutes like Kimo. Skill matters, size helps. Brock is a one trick pony he can wrestle and he is big. The vanilla gorilla choked out round one remember I said it.
so basically what you are saying is couture has gracie like bjj skills? couture was one demensional when he walked into the ufc look where he ended up.
Randy also lost about half his matches when he walked into the UFC. However, now he is well rounded and can wrestle, strike and knows enough jits to beat Brock. It took Mir less than 2 minutes to submitt Brock. Randy lost more than those two times to Chuck. 4 other guys beat him before he learned wrestling is not enough. Lesner still needs to lear than lesson and getting choked tonight will do it.
That’s where Brock is different. It’s not like the old days, when the huge guys were slow, unskilled and not agile. No one was giving Brock enough credit (myself included) for his striking. One punch from him, is one punch to many and he has punched EVERYONE he’s fought.
i almost forgot to drop u guys my stinky~bets and picks..
i just touched~down in vegas early this morning~ i cant wait 4 tonight~
sooo lets get crackin on the action~
thomas – brown = 1k on thomas
bocek – robinson = 1k on alvin
rafael – stephens = 1.5k on stephens
riley – gurgel = 1k on gurgel
barncat – hazelett = 3k on hazelett
maia – quarry = 6k on demian
hendricks – gonzaga = 2k on gg
kenny – joe = 6k on joeseph daddy
lesnar – randy = 20k on randy paychecks~
and i only got one par~lay with a 5k straight~up bet on-
maia-daddy-hazelett.
thats what i put up~ and i expect to do pretty darn good.
i should get around 7 out of 9 right. and hopefully my parlay fighters~ win
say word to big~bird!
how do i watch this other than ppv. anywhere online?
U just lost 6K meat…well i doubt you bet that but your broke!!!!
Rer u gonna pay up not trying to be a dick but i heard that u did pay some one hear once. just hoping u own up. as i would have.
was just thinking, how different would the UFC be if Lesnar have beaten Mir? For one, TUF would be different, and would Brock still would have got to fight Herring, or would they have put him against someone higher up the chain? or lower? just something to think about.
dont know if this was discussed but, the ufc is really hyping this fight as we all kno, so much so they are expecting like 1.2 million buys, perhaps gathering another 250,000 new fans(wwe), but what if the fight stinks, not saying it will but what if, sure the rest of the card would make up for the main event, but is thats not why people are buying this, could this put a damper on growth/future paperview buys??
yeah that might happen if the fight blows…but i honestly think it’s going to be action-packed….i hope i’m right and it’s not a feeling-out process for 5 rounds!!
Aaron Riley has a solid chin and great power in his hands. Riley will take this from Gurgel in the first round by TKO.
wow i can’t believe this fight is tonight…i’m so pumped. I think Brock might be too much for randy…but we all know randy is the master when he’s the underdog.
BillyBoB!
I Like Randy. He’s a specimen.
But Yikes! Lesnar ain’t no couch potato!
I hope he doesn’t toss him around like a rag doll.
I hope it makes it at least to the second round.
dang… alvin lost. i’m disappointed. oh well. glad matt brown got a win. that guy he fought as 3 losses all by armbar.
Bocek is sick. i would love to see him develop into a main card talent someday.
Alvin Robinson has cost me for my first treble!! Im raging im at work and cant see this one, totally gutted!! Can you guys keep me posted, many thanks
Man I want to see the Jeremy Stevens Fight from what i just heard it was a bad ass fight
gee Gurgel lost AGAIN. who would have guessed.
Good Luck too Randy. Lesnar will have more oppurtunities in the future, awesome potential.
Why is Jorge Gurgel still in the UFC?
rich franklins mate, that simple!
Nate the great took a great a$$ kickin’
damien mia for a title shot?
he wont be far off a title shot total domination against nate would like to see him fight someone higher on the food chain now
who though? bisping/palhares/Nate Marquart…??
Palhares would be great
good stuff had a Damian Mia/Hazelett double, just won £66. waiting on Kenny Flo and Brock for another £60!!
nate marquart would be a nice test what you think
ive made 220 tonight with a patental of 4 k if stinky is for real . so far im 5-2
I was gony back brock but i just dont know yet, theres so much that hasnt been tested in him, all be it i think he will win? Yeah Nate would be a big test for Damian Mai, get it on Dana!!
I want Kenny to beat Joe Daddy, only because I love to see Kenny war with BJ.
Brock is going to cause Randy huge problems unlike Randy has ever faced in the octagon….I want Randy to win, but Brock is a beast and will slam Randy on his head.
Kenny Just Made me some money and just made me believe bj might be in a lil trouble
this has been a great event first 4 televised fights ended in the first round dana was of told the fighters to finish there fights to make this the event the best ever and so far its lived up to expectations jeremy stephens ko unbelieveable matt brown looking good
Bispings a chump….If he’s so great let’s have him fight Silva and get throttled….
waiting on brock for anther £60 now, so if he wins im up £120!!
Ken Flo by the sounds of it looking good!!
lol just noticed all fights on the main card so far have fin in round 1!! Good chance next one will also!
it lived up to the expectations every televised fight finished only one fight going the distace cant wait to see brock vs mir/nog that shoul be themain event for ufc 100 which i heard has to have all the titles on the line which would be great
BROCK IS THE NEW HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!!!
right on! who stands a chance to take the belt away from him??
I think Shane Carwin might have a good chance! Carwin has some power and good strikes! That would be a case of who lands first?
Gonzaga,he’s got some SERIOUS power in his hands, feet and now it looks like his knees also. At a solid 256 lbs he won’t be totally dewarfed by Brock and if it goes to the ground his subs are pretty decent too. Maybe Nog too, but he doesn’t have the best striking defence and he always seems to take a beating first before he gets the sub. Even the mighty chin of Nog might not stand up to that right sledge hammer of Brock’s. Brock’s speed, not only allows him to connect,but it also increases the force of all that MASS.
HA! Now who is gonna beat Brock???
LOL whos gonna beat Brock who the fuck you kidding, BIG NOG or MIR for the 2nd Time thank you, Gonzaga would beat Brock aswell
Nog? Yes. Mir, for a second time? NOPE!!! Gonzaga? A big maybe.
Nog.
What are all the haters gonna say now? War Brock!
Overall a very good PPV!
Brock Lesnar the new UFC HW Champion!!! How does that taste for some of you haters???
Yeah, where are all you “BROCK DOESN’T DESERVE THIS” whiners?? HAHAHAHAHA
Im still a big Couture fan! I think if Randy would have been able to survive and take it to the later rounds, then who knows? Brock looked pretty tired! Just to big, to strong! And if Brock connects on any HW its a wrap!
taste like crap…
I still can’t believe Brock is the HW champ. My thought was as long as randy could make it to the 4th rd that he would win, but I never pictured brock landing a shot to the temple for the win.
There were a lot of entertaining, albeit quick fights tonight. Kenny was very impressive and I’m looking forward to the title fight vs. Penn. Congratulations to Brock on winning the title, he sound very humble in the post fight interview. But did he say God Bless you…to God?
LMAO, I’m glad someone else noticed that!
Hahahahaha! That is so fuckin funny. I noticed the same thing. I think Brock noticed it too and just hoped that noone else did.
Brock is a beast. Noone can say he didnt get tested. He took some serious shots from Randy. A huge knee and a few really solid punches to the face… He is serious trouble for Nog or Mir. Mark my words, you will see some highlight knock outs from Brock in the next couple fights. Nog and Mir better do something cause both of them are in serious trouble. Especially Mir, he has an ass kickin comin within his next two fights for sure.
where is all the haters at,I have been reading your post every day for months ,can you finally give him credit now
wow, never seen the fight but sounds like randy was coping pretty well with the size difference?? Is lesnar goin to stay champ?? im thinking nog finishes him!! was randy out, or just a stoppage?
Randy looked good vs the size…but he should move back down to 205 which is so wide open. The HW’s are huge now…Lesnar,Nog,Gonzaga,Muir,Congo, etc….I think him fighting rampage or Wanderlei would be awesome!!!!
damn there were a heap of Lesnar haters before … now where the hell are they ??? I cant wait 2 here the excuses now .. “He got lucky .. lucky punch , lucky punch ” its a proffesional fight u gotta b lucky 2 land a punch !!!!
Wanderlei would hurt Randy bad!!!!!! forget that idea
How do you figure?? I think those would be great fights…
Lesnar might have won, but (at the risk of pointing out the obvious) considering that he was fighting a guy over a decade older and 60lbs lighter, that was far from impressive. His conditioning in particular looked mediocre.
Of course, short of displaying previously unseen technical brilliance, there was really no way for Lesnar to impress in this fight, not with things stacked so heavily in his favor.
…also, pretty sure Couture’s temple is not at the back of his head. It wasn’t a foul, Couture leaned into it, but Lesnar clubbed him across the base of the skull. Hate seeing good fights end that way.
damn ..just cant give any credit can ya ??? I was waiting 4 the “excuse train ” to rock up
Blah blah blah!!! Randy is older…blah blah 60lb lighter…wa wa wa!
Who was the champ,nobody bitched when that old man beat silvia,gonzaga.That is the division 265,so you Brock haters will never give him credit,face it ,the albino gorilla,the guy with the dick tat on his chest,the disrespectful a hole,the guy that did not deserve to be in the fight,the fluke ,and all the other crap that has come out of people’s mouth,is the champ,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
YES!!!!!! I WAS SCREAMING THAT! Lessie caught him WAY behind his ear. I agree it wasn’t a foul, but it wasn’t exactly a clean, fair shot. Nothing to do about it though. It also didn’t look like the follow up shots were not doing that much damage. BUT FAAAAAAAAACK!!!! I am SO pissed. It looked like Randy would have been able to win in the later rounds, or by doctor stoppage from Lesnar’s eye. I still don’t like Brock though.
I don’t know if Nog will have as easy fight with him as most people say. I thought Randy had the best chance to get him. Remember how Nog was getting thrashed by Timmy till it hit the ground. I dunno. I am going for Minotauro all the way (and yes, I for one am looking past Mir).
NOG TO SAVE THE UFC HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION!!!
It wasn’t behind the ear – it was a legal blow.
Yep!
crap, that gorilla won
I see the UFC arranging a couple of non title super fights involving Randy from here on end. I think a Fedor deal is a real possibility now, because a one off fight won’t damage the UFC because Randy doesn’t have a title for Fedor to run back to Affliction with after the fight. They wont need Fedor to sign a long term contract. Dana White will push for that ultimate PPV fight and i can’t see Randy fighting for the HW title again. 205 is too stacked as well, so bring on Fedor for that final fling before retirement.
205 is stacked, but I think that belt is going to change hands about 3 times next year. The UFC will pull out the Rich Franklin (you should change weight classes) card because even though I’m not a big fan of Lesnar…he’s holding that bitch for 09…
IMO, the Fedor fight would’ve been one sided before. Now, there is ABSLOLUTELY NO REASON TO HAVE IT! A guy that was, what, 16-8?, now 16-9, has no business fighting Fedor. At least not on the same merits that the fight would have once had.
lol mikeybear…the first UFC where every single fight(all the prelims) is aired on the pay per view and you trash on it…good one. Well worth the money if you bought it.
yeah, this was probably one of the best night of fights I’ve seen from the UFC. for arguements sake, who can name a better event?
Definitely one of the best cards of the year. UFC 84 is right up there too.
Agree with mattNY’s last part but wont go so far is to say i agree with the first part. Cotoure is a animal. cant wait till the next meeting between these 2
i called it all but couture. and i would trade all the other results for that one. jesus. i am full out depressed cause randy had a chance to win it and it all went to plan until one of those bricks glanced by his temple. but good on brock, he has put in as much work as he could. he is a monster and randy put on a great showing until physics got the better of him.
like i said all the time though. this is short lived. either big nog takes lesnar’s leg home. or in a world where MMA has gotten much more competitive and heavy’s are all 265, lesnar dies at the hands of carwin.
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Shane-Carwin-1401 = death…
peace out guys. im just gonna drink myself retarded now.
“drink myself retarded now” i wish i could too…
I honestly think by time Brock is due to fight again, he will have learned so much more and neither Nog or Mir will stand a chance. You can’t compete with raw explosive power that Lesnar has at his disposal. Maybe the UFC need to raid the WWE for more competition. Gee thats a sad thing to say but heck if they all take it as seriously as Brock why not
Get Batista in There!
nog can take a pounding like no one else, he survived fedor’s gnp (it wasn’t pretty, but he survived) so he can survive brock’s.
That punch Lesnar threw to knock down Couture reminded me a lot of that 1st punch Matt Serra grazed the back of GSP’s head before Serra capitalized on a seris of punches to end their 1st fight.
Couture was doing pretty good but what shocked me about the fight was Couture’s physique’, it looked like age finally got to him. Lesnar was right when he said Couture looked like a guy that took a year off. However, I don’t think the lay off is necessarily the case, it’s physiology and changes Couture is going through at his age, his body is producing more estrogen and very little testostrone.. Time to let the young lions rule the cage.
I’m posting alot here.. but I TOTALLY agree on the Serra analogy. As I said before, nothing to do about it, and it wasn’t an illegal blow, but still.. leaves a sour taste in my mouth
I don’t think his physique had much to do with the loss,like you said, he was doing pretty good. I think it has more to do with physics. Huge mass x a lot of speed = KTFO. Forget about Brocks wrestling, he has shown he can tag his opponent. He has DROPPED everyone of his opponents with 1 punch and by the looks of things, one punch is all it takes from a gorilla. Not only that, Brock has shown that his big, thick neanderthal noggin can take a punch and not even be phased. I though Randy might be able to pull it off with his experience, I though wrong,lol.
I lost my respect for Couture when he “stabbed the UFC in the back”. He was outclassed by Lesnar. It looks good on him.
Brock Lesnar Won the Fight. I was going into this fight actually wanting Brock to win But once it Started. Instantly Me and the whole Audience we’re cheering for Randy “The Natural” Couture! It was like David vs Goliath!, Good vs Evil, The Underdog. I really feel good the way Randy Handeld that Big Beast! I feel he brought it too him like no one else can. Randy had a chance to win the fight through Conditioning, the Cut on Brock’s eye, maybe a submission. Either way at the end I felt HORRIBLE!!! that The Beast won! I reminded me of Liddel vs. Couture 2
So when is Couture vs Lashley? haha, just kidding… Big Nog will reign supreme! Props to Lesnar though, he is evolving quickly!!!
what a great ppv. every fight was shown! there were alot of 1rst rnders, but still in the past, the ufc would’nt have shown them all. hopefully this is a trend that continues. the scary thing about brock, is he’s only going to get better. hard to tell where randy stands, he got caught by a 285lb juggernaut. i would like to see him move back down to lhw and see if he still has it. ken-flo=all heart and maia was incrdible as was hazlett. the under card was awesome imo. i already cant wait to see brock in the cage again.
As for Maia getting a title shot,I think he needs another win against a bigger name. Quarry isn’t exactly a number one contender fight. Maia vs. Marquardt anyone?
I didn’t get the fight, but it sounds like it was pretty good. Maybe I’ll buy it tomorrow. I’m just sick of paying around $600 a year for all these UFC PPVs. Dana needs to come up with some sort of a package plan like buy 4 and get one free. Something to show some fan appreciation. I’ve bought every single PPV from UFC 48 through 89 but with the economy the way it is I just won’t do it anymore. I bet the UFC is feeling the crunch too as I imagine I’m not the only one who watched a replay of Calzaghe vs. Jones instead of UFC 91 because it was free.
hhahhahahaha buy 4 get one free — it kinda is usually 4th one is free. when it goes to england.or somewhere out of us.
To all of the Brock haters – DEAL with it. Quit your whining and give the man the respect he deserves. He came into the UFC with one freaking professional MMA fight and is now the champ 2 fights later. That’s pretty impressive. He wasn’t given cans. He beat top competition.
He hasn’t even begun to tap into his true potential yet and he already is the champ.
And for all of you saying he would lose to fedor. Save it. It’s a tired argument. Yes, Fedor is the best in the world, but until he signs with the UFC, no one will ever know and no one will really care. Why even say he would destroy Lesnar if they probably wouldn’t fight anyway. Regardless, Brock is still a rookie and once he gets more fights, he will be more of a threat to fedor.
Bottom Line: Brock came into the UFC and has proven that he is not fake WWE wrestler, but instead is a legitimate MMA HW fighter with boat loads of potential and may one day prove to be the best HW ever. Only time will tell.
Brock will be a short lived cham no bjj and sepsesably t armbars even with a loss randy shoed weaknesses in brock.
I told you retards he would win. God you are all retarded thinking the 45 year old bantamweight would win against the middleweight with wrestling skills.
This was one of the worst events I have seen in a long time… it wasn’t just bad for the UFC, it was EliteXC bad!!!
Lesnar should never have been in a title fight considering that was only his 3rd UFC fight… and he had a pathetic loss in his first start.
And I respect Randy, but that drama he was in that kept him away for a year meant a fight with the winner of Mir-Nogueira fight should have fought Randy first to determine who the undisputed UFC Heavyweight Champ really is before some over-hyped newcomer like Lesnar gets anywhere near a title shot.
Look at how Brian Stann won his shot after only 6 fights only to lose his first defense fight to someone he already beat. Stann wasn’t ready for that kind of pressure yet, regardless of his talent. Putting Lesnar in a title fight against a champ who was MIA for a year puts the fight on the same tainted level as Kimbo’s last fight.
Dana White should know better.
Here’s two more reasons for saying Lesnar’s win means zero.
1. The Guy who beat Lesnar (Mir) is set to fight the guy who was the “fill-in” as Heavyweight Champ for Randy and that fight at the end of their TUF season run would determine who deserves to be called the “Interim” Champ – and that means they would also be the #1 contender to Randy’s championship claim… until a fight of the two champs can happen.
2. It’s an insult to the UFC & MMA to say that Lesnar’s success/experience from his short time in MMA wouldn’t get him a return call from the UFC promoters because he had one bad loss and a half ass win over a has-been. Compare that to Randy’s Hall-Of-Fame status, Mir’s cred as a former UFC Champ, and the long success record of Nogueira… and try not to laugh at how stupid the thought of putting Lesnar on that level this soon is before realizing what a mistake it was to let that fight happen.
At the very best, Lesnar would be lucky to be near the front of the line of people deserving to be behind Nogueira & then Mir in the rankings. This decision is why people still don’t accept MMA as a legitimate sport… this choice puts the UFC on the same level as WWE & the other “fake” organizations of the “sports entertainment” business who put ratings & other bogus concepts ahead of talent/achievements.
The best & most deserving person deserves the title shot, not the guy who gets the most buzz in public opinion polls… otherwise it’s not real competition and a belt means nothing.
Another thing adding to this lack of cred in the UFC is how someone like Jorge Gurgel or Marcus Aurelio can be praised at masters of BJJ while losing almost every fight they get. Or how people can still get fights while usually losing over other more deserving fighters… this only leads to MMA being on par with fake “professional” wrestling.
Dana White once said he has something like 200 fighters under contract at any given moment, and with only 5 weight divisions and less than 20 events a year for those 200 men to fight at… how can people with 2 or even 3 consecutive losses get ahead of other fighters doing better?
Or how can Dana keep a tool like Tito around long after he deserved to be around while letting an up-and-coming prospect with better results like a Houston Alexander, Keith Jardine, etc have to wait for a slot to become available once or twice a year? If Dana had more faith in a Seth Petruzelli he would have been fighting for the UFC and not being at the bottom of the fight card & hoping for a miracle to happen like what went down a few weeks ago.
It would also mean that people who finally do drop off the UFC ranking charts like Tito, Tim Sylvia, Ken Shamrock, Robbie Lawler, Phil Baroni etc wouldn’t have a lower tier organization just waiting for a fighter with a name people know to fill the ever growing events popping up everywhere while a Nick Diaz gets tossed aside so the next batch of reality stars show losers can get a spot because a person might buy a ticket just because they were on tv.
The TUF concept was a good idea… but having new “seasons” so soon after one another means a lower quality fighter with recent tv time is a bigger draw than a much better fighter that got lost in the shuffle of whatever is being sold as the “flavor of the month”.
People who know better realize that the UFC is the top of the MMA game, and they got there by being better than PrideFC as Dana got the best fighters available. But that success meant that any half-assed promoter could put together a motley crew of fighters just wishing to be the next GSP or Rampage & say he has a legitimate organization to represent MMA.
Everyone knows that UFC is king, that WEC is second best, and that all the rest (KOTC, EliteXC, IFL, and the tons of lower level regional groups out there – blah blah blah) are like the lowest level minor league teams of baseball – or more like a carnival side show attraction than they are on equal levels as UFC & WEC.
It’s not like the NFC & AFC of the NFL or National League & American League in baseball… it’s like a Pop Warner team trying to outshine the Super Bowl champs… and it’s because MMA became so hot that the Dana White’s let money/ratings/profits mean more than the integrity of the sport.
Brock Lesnar getting a championship belt this soon is just like calling Kimbo a legitimate MMA fighter. It’s the same level of dumb thinking as bringing a long retired fighter like Royce Gracie back into the cage to fight Hughes in a match more about hype & publicity than trying to determine who the best really is on that night… or like having three Ortiz-Shamrock fights when both fighters were 3rd tier quality.
Anyway… tonight sucked ass & Dana White is to blame.
If he had paid Randy what he deserved as champ rather than grossly overpaying Matt Hughes & Chuck Lidell way beyond their time then Randy wouldn’t have gone missing for the past year – and some douchebag wanna-be like Lesnar would have had to earn his way by fighting up the rankings… and when a couple of years go by with Lesnar winning fights against quality people – THEN he deserves to get a shot at a title.
And if Dana cared about the best fighting the next best for top ranking we wouldn’t have a shitty fight card like tonight that has THREE people from the list of losing fighters from the first season of TUF still getting chances to fight (and at least one other non-winner from another season of TUF on the card tonight) when someone else could get that chance who deserves it more.
Why are so many people from season 1 still here so long after they showed us they didn’t deserve to be in the big leagues?
Why is it acceptable (as Frank Mir recently said on his commentary of a WEC event) for fighters with 5+ losses on their record being counted among the top contenders when other sports use that stat to separate them from the ones with a more successful record.
Look at the college football rankings for example. Very rarely will you see a team with more than 1 losses to their name get anywhere near the top of the heap (meaning bowl game invites & the money that comes with it) – hell, it’s rare that people will consider a 1 loss team for the #1 title came spot because they realize that too many teams are out there for a team not almost perfect being able to call itself a title contender.
I know it’s not exactly the same, but when even someone like Chuck or Wanderlei gets 2 straight L’s on his record – it’s time to move on to other people… and if the guys who were once on top can get better than the rest of the crowd after awhile goes by – only then should they get a shot at regular rotation of fighting – not before.
Dana had it right (bust lost the idea soon after) when he had that season of TUF where people like Matt Serra got put on the show & had to prove they still deserved to be in the big time – or get cut if they can’t find a way to win again.
Matt Serra deserved to be on the chopping block… and he also deserved that title shot after he worked his way through the crowd to win the TUF “Comeback” final fight. But he also showed that he only deserved one final chance, because his comeback was just a fluke as shown by the way GSP destroyed Serra in the rematch.
Bottom line, Dana needs to either create more weight divisions or cut a huge portion of the 200 or so people under contract – unless he doesn’t care about the integrity of the UFC as a legitimate sport.
No more letting fighters move up/down a weight class to avoid being beaten by better fighters. No more letting people (even former champs) get all-star treatment even if they rack up two, three, or more L’s without beating a quality fighter.
I like people like Mike Swick, Rashad Evans, Josh Koscheck, etc. but it’s bullshit that Dana is letting people change divisions like underwear. It’s just as bad as when he let Silva bump up to 205 & fight someone just to have a main event quality fight on the card when Silva belongs at 185. It’s tarnishes both divisions, no matter how much fun people think it is to see them fight. It’s the same as when people come out to look at a car accident or a police bust just to get some entertainment in their loser life… or when someone idiot thinks it’s a great idea to get Royce Gracie to take on the best fighter at a weight class that Gracie didn’t even fit into so many years ago when the UFC was David Vs Goliath events more like Clint Eastwood in a movie than what we know as MMA combat today. So what if Royce beat people mutiple times his weight, or fought for hours on end more than once per night – it was many years since he competed (or even trained) at the level we expect of a true MMA fighter today.
Tonight should be the point where Dana hopefully realizes that he needs to get back to making quality a priority (and soon) if he wants the UFC to remain the top dog of MMA organizations. If he keeps going with the current plan it won’t be long before UFC becomes the next EliteXC or PrideFC that became extinct because the way they do business causes them to not be in business anymore.
Do the math – it’s easy to see that having 200 fighters and only 5 weight divisions equals too many people to have successful competition ending with an accurate idea of who really is the best of his competitors.
And if you do an even spilt, there’s no way to have 40 fighters per division get equal time for what ends up being no more than 20 events each year. Dana sticks to 1 “main event” (labeled UFC # whatever) each month, and if you have an “Ultimate Fight Night” once every season of the weather & the same for the “Unleashed” events – you get 20 events per year.
If Dana could manage to have 10 fights every event, that equals to 20 fighters per event, and only if Dana has each fighter currently under contract fight TWICE each year could he manage to have all 200 of his fighters get equal time… but we all know that would never happen.
Dana isn’t going to force people to see all of the fighters get fair time to prove their worth, because that means alot of fights where the guy who placed 6th on the recent TUF show against someone like a Ken Shamrock (who should have been gone months even years before they “retire” only to show up on a fight card at another organization) when they could put a retarded fight together for ratings & profit.
40 people for only 5 weight classes is 30 too many per division (or a total of 150 fighters total who should really be working the door at a Vegas club, being a body guard for some loser sports figure or actor… or just taking my order at McDonald’s not fighting for a living & getting paid more than 10 or more of us fans that make the UFC rich enough to do what it’s doing) so it’s crazy for Dana to have 3 extra guys on the payroll for every guy that’s needed – unless they add more divisions.
That would make more sense, because some freak like Lesnar or Tim Sylvia shouldn’t be put up against a legitimate Heavyweight like a Mir or a Gonzaga. So, it’s back to me calling for the SHW class to come back like Dana brought back the one at the other end of the spectrum when 155 came back to the UFC.
And the gap between the other 4 divisions makes no sense because too many people fall in the cracks between them when they are better off with a weight class close to their natural weight.
It’s bullshit for someone to be walking around at something like 195 lbs normally, but gets away with dropping 10 pounds for the weigh-in on the day before the fight only to get back to that normal weight by the time the fight begins.
It’s not fair competition for someone to drop 10 or more pounds & get it back to fight someone who might actually maintain the correct weight for his division all the time. What is cool with someone making the 185 weight but get back to say 195 and can fight someone who was always 185 & still is? That is a pussy move & is perfect reason for more weight classes.
Here is what the UFC should do to have close to 200 fighters busy so that healthy competition means the best guy wins most of the time.
Keep the divisions they already have, but add a SHW beginning at say 255 or 265 lbs. That way Lesnar can compete with someone closer to his abilities… and not have someone like Randy be close to 205 go up against someone possibly 50 or more pounds bigger.
Then make the divisions be 15 lbs apart, or something like that to prevent someone from having 10 or more lbs advantage on fight night.
The only problem is that means the UFC has divisions like the 145 of the WEC – and most likely ones even lower like in Boxing.
That is so retarded in my opinion… I say that 170 should be the lowest division – unless you are fighting in the women’s catagory. OK, I’ll let 155 stay, but anyone who can’t get above that weight really should be doing something else (like horse jockey) and not fighting. My kid is only 15 and he’s already 150… so if you are under his weight you are not a fighter (I’m talking to pussies like Urijah Faber & the other munchkins of the WEC) and it’s not something I want to see because it reminds me of a freak show like midget wrestling of the old days of the WWF or a circus side show.
Or better yet, if you are a lightweight pussy like Faber, you get to fight with women who also weight 145 lbs… but it woulnd’t be fun for too long as people like Gina Carano & Chris “Cyborg” would keep beating the men of the lollipop guild on PPV. But for the first 5 or 6 times I’d enjoy seeing those pussies get exposed as frauds because they fight in a class the same as girls do.
I’m done… I ranted enough & I’m done with Dana White & his WWEFC
hmmm…paragraph after paragraph and I still smell a Randy fanboi taking his ball and going home.
i quit watching mma it’s the new wwe
wow brock is the ex wwe and now ufc champ.im not really into that karate wrestling but i hope brock comes back to the wwe maybe that biker guy dana white will let him.long live pro wrestling/ufc
Geez…some people are angry. I read some comments of fighters w/ 2-3 “consecutive” loses getting opportunities. Let’s just take the “consecutive” out…Its 2 or 3 losses. How can you count someone out w/ 2 or 3 losses. Even GSP has 2 losses. he also lost his 1st title defense. The fact is Brock got an opportunity and he took advantage. Freak show or not…i paid, i watched, and i enjoyed!
I’m ready to see a BL vs BL…
decorated wrestler vs decorated wrestler…
ex WWE superstar VS ex WWE superstar…
Clash of the Titans, Its for Real…
Bobby Lashley VS Brock Lesner