“It disgusts me. I’ve been busting my (expletive) for 10 years flying all over the planet to show everybody what a great sport this is and what amazing people are involved in it. Then CBS throws this guy who fights at people’s barbecues on the main event because they’re trying to compete with us, and he gets knocked out in (14) seconds by a guy who didn’t win ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ and couldn’t fight in the UFC. Then the guy turns around the next day and says, ‘The promoters actually paid me to not go to the ground with this guy. They paid me to stand up,’ which I’m pretty sure is illegal…. (Slice is) a joke. It was bound to happen. These guys have lost $60 million trying to get this thing off the ground. They’re building their promotion around a guy who can’t fight. It’s kind of (expletive) stupid, isn’t it? You’re in the fight business and you’re building your business around a guy who can’t fight…. When dirty people go out and do stuff like that, it hurts. Promoters have a bad rap as it is because of the last 100 years of boxing. We actually started to turn that around and were doing the right things and then you have these guys coming out and doing (expletive) like that. It hurts us.”
– UFC President Dana White comments via the Boston Herald on the firestorm that Seth Petruzelli created in the aftermath of his 14-second dismantling of Elite XC posterboy, Kimbo Slice, at Elite XC: “Heat” over the weekend. Petruzelli made some curious remarks that the promoters “hinted” before the fight, which was coordinated literally hours before showtime because Ken Shamrock — Slice’s original opponent — was scratched because of a cut, that it would be worth his while to keep the fight standing. Elite XC vehemently denied the statement and Petruzelli has since gone on to indicate that he was referring to a knockout bonus. The Florida State Boxing Commission has reportedly passed on investigating the situation at this time. Regardless, it has created quite a stir that could have global implications on the sport itself and not just Elite XC. Time will tell.
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Oh its on like Donkey Kong now.
The best part about this all is Seth tried taking his words back. Know how he explains it? The Knock out of the night fight bonus was what he says he was talking about. He said the KO of the night bonus made it worth his time to stand up and then five seconds later he says the KO bonus is the exact same amount as the submission bonus?
UFC is the best hands down
i would never pay PPV for anything else but ufc..
i would watch it (affliction,dream,whatever) online after the fight is over but i pay to watch the ufc….
Pride was 2nd best but EVEN PRIDE went under…
UFC the only man standing
Kim-Joke is going to fight people off the streets again in a year.
awesome let me know when new fights r on youtube again
Yes it was pretty fuzzy when Seth tried to take his words back. Also i find it interesting that other fighters had not heard of fight bonuses, and that a submission bonus never has existed, nor have KO bonuses in any other EliteXC event.
Its a pretty poor attempt at trying to change his statement. Regardless, i couldnt agree more with Dana White. EliteXC is in all reality a small time show, stumbling around trying to pretend its a bit time show thinking its actually competing with the UFC. I mean, the events are sooo amateur, and the weigh ins and press conferences are a joke.
Another controversial plot bein’ shredded to bits and pieces. Just keep your trap shut Dana and just revel and bask in your empire that is the UFC…
The best part is the contradiction that Seth and lappen were making in different interviews. There was only a KO bonus according to lappen, which is not ethical. That’s why the ufc awards for finishing or having awesome fights. Then you discover on the SDS radio that Benji was not aware of any of these awards. Elite is crooked and the florida athletic commission was paid to look away.
hey guys, just got through the drunken episode. haven’t watched the rest, just the first segment. I can’t believe Dana didn’t throw these guys off. I do like that he’s making the “talker” fight the other guy. I still say there is no reason for all the booze. These guys are there to train…period!
Now i wish Jose “Hitler, dog” Aguilar was in the house instead of that whiny, “please pity me” bitch. At least Nog said he’s next on list.
Are you watching it on the net? Where?
…and in the end, its all about dana and his company again. just read between the lines. id like dana to explain to us how he kept his mouth shut when hamill lost to his other money maker bisping? what a farce. nothing said about it that right?? and dont bring up the thats he wasnt one of the refs judgung cause thats not my point.
well its true…UFC is a real true brand and dana can and will say and all of us will agree..that the UFC one of the top orgs that truly promotes MMA for the sake of the sport. Your insane…Dana callt he jugdges retards after the fight. that is what happens when you leave it that close of a fight and to the judges. you are very ignorant…how can you be a fan of MMA and then say Dana is wrong about elite xc?
who in the world said anything about elite being right smarty pants? comprehension is best understood when you take your time…so take ur time next time you reply to someones comment my fellow 69er. My point and what i said is that dana is always WE I and ME when it comes to things much like shaw and the others as well. So when he tries to seperate himself from other promoters and make it seem like hes the only one that does no wrong, he sometimes looks like an ass because hes not much different. Yes santi we know the UFC is obviously the most established brand in MMA out there. Promoters obviously put fights together for their best interest first not necessarily for us. why do u think forrest got a shot before machida. or lesnar fighting randy for the title and not mir werdum or noguera first who are most deserving now not later. Not like he couldnt shuffle things around to give one of those guys a shot first, i mean he has done it before. But its all about the money first, so he like tom and shaw will do what they can do squeeze every dollar first.
So again, maybe he should just not come out and say anything every other day about everyone else because to me, he in his own way does the same type of things to benefit himself. oh yeah, so im sure thats reason enough for me not be an MMA fan right? having an opinion thats not to ur liking doesnt mean its ur way or the highway…as much as u might want to believe that sugarbun.
Did you just say smarty pants? Fudge packer
Dana… well put.
agreed! he has every right to be disgusted. elite xc reflects on all mma.
I know the standard mma fan is meant to hate Dana but i very rarely disagree with him apart from when he’s talking about Fedor.
Once more he is bang on the money.
I usually agree with him, f-bombs and all. haha
The worst part is that so many more people see this Elite garbage than UFC because Elite is on network television, probably because they know nobody would actually pay to see their crap. There’s probably a lot of people who will assume that MMA is pretty much like pro wrestling with scripted endings.
That’s it??? I guess because it was printed in a Newspaper.
I want to hear Dana go off on Elite on like a YouTube video or something. Maybe he can even film it in a parking lot or a backyard in the ghetto?
I was surprised too at the lack of f-bombs. +1 on the video idea.
He’s right… Dana and the Fertitas have doen so much for MMA, and CBS and Elite XC are undoing some of that with all their bull shit!!
for sure. Elite is dirty and putting the sport down bringing Kimbo to the table as MMA star. It’s the UFC is promoting the sport and they started from zero. Elite just jumped on the wagon.
Not good for EliteXC.. I agree pretty much with Dana’s entire statement.
Elite XC = WWE with UFC dropouts
TNA then
lmao! TNA’s frank trigg will save them!
Couldn’t agree more Dana. XC seems to be more comparable to corupt boxing than the UFC. At least all the idiots know Kimbo sucks now. And if that made them into fans they can come over to the UFC and see quality fighters going at it.
Quote from Gary Shaw
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Elite XC consultant Gary Shaw said he wouldn’t hesitate to “go to a fighter and say, ‘We’re looking for a stand-up fight.’ You’re not asking him to throw a fight. You’re talking about a fan-friendly fight, not about protecting Kimbo.”
“Do I think that’s unethical? No,” Shaw said. “Because in MMA, you get bonus money for a knockout. I don’t see it as unethical . . . asking him to be TV and fan friendly.”
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This is contradicting Jared Shaw and Jeremy Lappen. This is as close to fixing a fight as you can get. And once MMA gets a reputation of fixing fights thats it! Dana is right about this sh*t hurting the UFC too!
Nice JV… All these XC higher ups are so full of sh*t. Sucks for them that this time their fix back fired. I am over XC… Were their ratings any good?
Their ratings were good, 4.38 million viewers.
4.38 million people saw that Kimbo sucks… LMAO!
And not only that he sucks! In the eyes of the “casual” fan he got beat by a smaller pink haired guy! And the pictures that were on cagepotato suggest that Seth is gay! Which makes it even worse!!!!!!!!
JV. i just read gary’s statement on fight opinion and thought “damn i wish someone would post this on mania”. good job! elite supposedly “demoted” gary shaw, but you can tell he still has a big influence over them, hell he formed elite xc in the 1rst place not too much longer after he said that mma was a fad and would never make it.
Yea, its stupid to “demote” Gary and then put Jared in front! Like if Gary isnt going to have an influence over Jared.
MORE ELITE CONTRAVERSY: roy nelson is now saying that some of a.a.’s people came up to him after the fight to compliment him and told him they had been watching film on him for 3 WEEKS. the fight wasnt even announced until 10 days before it happened and nelson didnt find out until the next day. very strange.
Very interesting!
But the UFC also gives a best submission of the night. It’s fixing a fight if you tell a guy he can’t utilize his strengths but he has to fight in a way that caters to the strengths of his opponent. It’s an indirect way to fix a fight and if the fans don’t know about this then they are not getting the product they bought.
paco, thats exactly what EliteXC asked Seth to do (not try to take Kimbo down) They must have thought Kimbo had the advantage on their feet. Sh*t he outweighed him by 30lbs. Then they deny it, then Gary says it not unethical to do it? The UFC has those bonuses set. They dont pick and chose which fights are going to have that bonus.
Like I said before… Dana’s been doing this crap for years by telling/paying Liddell’s opponents to keep it standing. If you look at a lot of Liddell’s fights (the ones after he lost to Couture) his opponents all say something like “I’m gonna stand and bang with Chuck”, including the wrestlers and BJJ artists (e.g. Jeremy Horn, Couture II & III, Babalu). Why would you go that route if you know Chuck has KO power and your bread&butter is wrestling or submissions???
stop posting the same stuff, you’re te only one that thinks that…it’s not very realistic.
I’m talking about cbchwa
Well, I don’t disagree with Gary, until you start paying the guy to do so. Then you’re fixing the fight. You can ask someone to do anything and there’s no harm done. The guy either does it or he doesn’t, and he wins or he loses, it’s still the fighter’s decision. But when you start paying them to do so, you’re a nefarious mofo.
But a request from you boss can be seen as an implied threat. if a fringe fighter gets on a promoters bad side he could be ran right out of the organization.
I believe Dana is right on on this subject, as he is on most.
Dana if this the way youi feel then you MUST get rid of Junie Browning ASAP he is trash!
Junie might be trash … but the difference is that (from what I have seen) He can fight!
I agree he can fight, but Pacman Jones can play football too but he gives the NFL a blackeye if you know what I mean. Junie will do the same to the UFC,
Agreed mmafreak. Junie needs to go. That guy is a joke. I was getting really annoyed watching him.
Junie only has 2 major emotions he has to get out at most times, Sadness or Anger.. they’re pretty much the same underlying emotion.
Kid needs to go the Jessie Taylor route, via Dana Decision… kick Junie out of TUF for now, keeping a crack in the door, send him off to counseling & rehab for 6 mths. If things look good let him have a undercard fight in the UFC, this kid needs to learn the hardway and it’s going to take longer.. TUF is no place for Junie right now.
It’s either a pair of 5 Oz Gloves or a Bright Orange Jump Suit for this manic case.
It hurts.
Dana is awesome. Straight shooter, doesn’t pull punches. EliteXC is bush league.
EliteXC won’t fold, haven’t you heard…Tito (and his new back) will save the day!! Soon all the UFC cast-offs will be trying to get back into the UFC.
Ha, there’s Fergie’s new job — he sucks as a fighter, but he can go back to bodyguarding Jenna.
Dana’s spot on. It’s got to be frustrated on his part since he and the Ferritta’s are the only one’s really trying to grow this sport, putting the money into globalization and going and talking to different states trying to get MMA legalize. What have Elite EX and Affliction done to help? Nothing! That’s got to piss Dana off when you are the one putting in all the work and money and then some dumb ass like Jared Shaw and Company continue to embarass the sport of MMA (at least from the hardcore’s perspective) by doing shit like this and continue to promote Slice and some legit “badest man of the plant” moniker or whatever the hell they refer him to. I don’t blame Slice at all, he has been humble and seems to want to learn, it’s EliteXC that I have a problem with.
Hold on Jason, Affliction just barely got going and they’re in survival mode. They’re a baby trying to get their legs under them and trying to get an audience and fighters to fight for them etc. Don’t implicate them into this because you don’t know that. Elite is less than scrupulous, but the verdict is out on Affliction, and the idea of two great organizations is way better than one monopoly.
My point is that Afflication and Elite XC are always whinning about Dana not wanting to co-promote their events. Why should he? Why should Dana have to do all the work and spend all the money so Elite XC and Afflication can reap the rewards of Dana’s hard work or the UFC brand name. Why do you think that Afflication and Elite XC have no problem mentioning the name UFC in their broadcast? It’s because they want the average MMA viewer to correlate their company with the best brand out there. Besides Afflication doesn’t know what the hell their doing, they’ve changed their minds so many damn times on their cards, cancel this postpone that, hybrid MMA and boxing card, now its just an MMA card. I mean, make up your fricking mind Atencio, it’s making you look like you’re an idiot.
You’re blaming Affliction and Elite for being self-interested, but defending Dana for being Self-interested. FWIW I haven’t seen a lot about Affliction whining about UFC not co-promoting. Also, and as said before, Affliction JUST STARTED! Everyone makes mistakes when they’re first starting out. It’s a learning process. They’re going to do whatever it takes to be successful, and making mistakes is part of that process. You forget, The UFC spent years trying to figure it out.
THE VERDICT ON THE JASON V DAVE SHOWDOWN: Jason by TKO
Who really gets cut before a fight??? has it ever happened?
Anyhow, REAL MMA is in the UFC others are just minor leagues
KIMBO - FEDOR - CRO COP - Other big names….join the big league and then win some fights and I’ll be a fan
Kimbo Kimbo Kimbo - Funny dude, but no power! just one of those guys that look buff and scary but are weak. Just my personal opinion.
FEDOR - Love the russian but I’m not a fan, dream,pride, affliction where ever you are stop hiding, sign with the UFC and let’s see what you can do
CRO COP - ohh boy, got a taste of the big league and when back to minor league, I understand that.
What I saw on EliteXC was sad for the sport of MMA and seeing Jared Shaw’s experssion after the referee stopped the fight was even worse, there are no words actions speak louder.
You think Fedor is hiding? He’s beaten almost every top HW out there. He has nothing to prove. Tell Dana don’t make the contract so ridiculous, like the one he was offered, and maybe he would join.
The only Top 5 HW Fedor hasn’t beaten, he would flat out murder = Randy.
Andrei Arlovski is too tentative and Fedor would be able to submit him on the ground with relative ease.
Fedor is not HIDING from the UFC. They just have not been able to come to terms. Do you really think he’s afraid to fight a 45 year old man or someone he already beat twice? (those are the 2 UFC champs)
Yeah, Randy has to get by Nog first, which isn’t going to be an easy fight. By the time Randy get’s to Fedor, I’ll pray for him, but Fedor is a lot to handle.
If Lesnar goes ahead and wins 2 straight agaist Randy and asuming Nog then I can see Fedor signing to fight randy first and then lesnar. LESNAR IN A$$ BEATING, LOL. I know you Fedor guys are going to freak after seeing that.
Fedor’s not scared or hiding. He’s greedy, plain and simple.
Greedy because he wants a contract that he’s not willing to compromise on? This is his livelihood dude. Better not to sign the contract than to sign a contract you’re not happy with.
Kimbo is a joke, Crop Cop is 1 dimensional, but Fedor would kill the HW’s in the UFC. The only one that stands a chance at “some point” IMO is Brock Lesnar, because of his freakish size and athleticism.
Didn’t the Athletic Commission deny any wrong doing on Elite XC’s part? They were in the room when the whole “we’ll pay you to stand with Kimbo” thing was apparently said, and they said it was never said. Are they lying too?
Yeah the CSAC is always reliable. I would be more comforted if they stated they had shadowed Seth the whole night. That is really doubtful, so its not like an EXC official or even run around guy for EXC didn’t take the time to stop by Seth’s locker room to ask him to stand and bang. but your right, if they were going to be crooked and ask Seth to stand and trade, they would have done it right in front of the CSAC. Makes a ton of sense
LMAO!
The CSAC does suck, but in this case it was the FSAC that handled this card.
Lol my mistake then. Either way it still stands that EXC officials would not mention this deal in front of officials. Its like making a drug deal with a cop present.
You’re right about that!
Look, Seth was offered a bonus for knocking the guy out…he clarified his statements. Why all the hate for Seth? WTF did he do wrong? He said “they KINDA HINTED to me they wanted me to stand with him”…..that’s all he said.
That could easily be talking about a KO bonus, just as easily as not.
This whole “Elite XC is corrupt” thing, based on Seth’s easily misinterpreted and vague comments are ridiculous.
Unreal.
Nobody has an issue with Seth. Most posters on here have a problem with the Shaws.
Agreed Jeff. I have respect for Seth for taking the fight on short notice, and even more respect for him to say what he said publicly. I guess the fact that they have the conversation recorded and a transcript really shows how easily his words were manipulated.
The second thing I’ll point out is that Seth is now saying that the KO bonus was what he was talking about. This is posted on 5 ounces with a transcript as well, where he stated that he did it for the KO bonus but then also stated that the KO bonus was equal in value to the submission bonus. So what we have is Seth saying that he was paid a six figure wage for standing and trading but later stating that included his pay, win bonus, KO of the night, and of course his own side promotional deals*. If you read both transcripts “word for word” he clearly trips up. Keep in mind that this doesn’t make me dislike Seth, rather it makes me think he knows EXC is going to grill him if he doesn’t retract his statement. Not his fault
Awwww….did poor Dana get blown out of the water on saturday night by a joke who only fights at barbeques?
Talk about sour grapes.
Entertaining show….period.
That doesn’t change the fact that it reflects poorly on the UFC. There has been a bad stigma in MMA in previous years and the UFC has worked very hard to remove that. Dana has every right to be upset with this second rate company.
The UFC is a 2nd rate company. Maybe Elite XC is a 3rd rate company, but the UFC is NOT a 1st rate company. Only certain fans of Dana’s think they are….nobody else.
“The UFC is a 2nd rate company”
Congratulations on the dum*est quote ever!
And does Dana really have fans? We are all fans of the fighters not the boss. Anybody with half a brain can see Dana is absolutly spot on with his comments!
Dumbest quote ever is right!
Um….you’re a fan of the UFC and just proved my point.
The UFC is not even on the radar as far as sports are concerned UNLESS YOU ARE A FAN!!!!!!
NFL, MBA, NBA, NHL…they are first rate sports organizations, and even if you don’t watch sports you would still agree.
UFC being grouped in with them?….no, not unless you are a fan of the UFC.
A UFC card would demand more of an audience share than either a NBA or NHL game.
Ummm… Apples and oranges… I don’t mean to be a di*k, but you don’t make any sense.
Well for what we have in MMA,UFC is a first rate company,they brought it up from nothing to what it is today.So it is very understandable for Dana White to be upset about it .These organizations are jumping on board now ,when they see that it can be profitable,all to tear it down like promoters tore up boxing.The reason it hurts the UFC,is because people like you, introvert,can not tell the difference between the two ,so when one puts on a fix,they think all of them do it
Right….apples = NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL (1st rate)
oranges = UFC (2nd rate)
Thanks
Scott hit it right on the head! Well said!
If it were a fix, and people don’t know the difference between the UFC and EXC, like you say….
Then shouldn’t Dana be smart enough to publicly say something like “EXC did NOT try to fix a fight…it’s just a misunderstanding?”
BTW…I’ve been a fan since UFC 1…so you can stuff the “introvert is a newbie…doesn’t know the difference…blah,blah,blah” you know where.
No, because he doesn’t think they belong in the business of MMA.They prove it almost every event,look at the last two times Kimbo has fought,and you are telling me that it is not a joke ,and it is bad for the business,Everybody thought the Josh Thompson fight was a fix (you saw the tap)then the crappy stoppage,now look at this .
Introvert, why don’t you get it? We compare the UFC to other MMA organizations. Period. Comparing the UFC to any other sports is pointless. These MMA organizations are made up of individuals from all over the world, not teams. The UFC is like a team not the American monoply of the NBA, NFL, ect…
In what way is the UFC second rate? popularity? In the most important age demographics the UFC is more popular than the NHL and the NBA and prob MLB. In value? The selling price of the UFC has been valued at 1 billion dollars. In ability to draw an audience? More people watched a ufc card the the stanley cup series. The NFL is the premier organization, with baseball I guess a distant second. but after that the UFC can compete with any of them.
If you compare a UFC PPV to one game….then sure.
The leagues play every night in multiple cities….good luck competing with that.
Sorry Introvert but you really are comparing Apples and Oranges. To prove it all the sports you named are team sports. Second none of them host events overseas. That imo shows that MMA is universally uderstood and the UFC is a first rate business because it is International instead of just National.
@Intovert.
You’re comparing the UFC to sports that have been around for more than 50 years? More than a hundred in Baseball’s case, and closing in on a hundred for Basketball and Football. Small minded dwarfs that can’t see distinctions like the one you’re trying to lump in make the world a dumber place. I do think you’ll get it eventually, but right now you’re way off. Good luck with that.
I can’t stand Dana, but his love for the sport seems to be his motivating factor. He tries to put on great fights, he promotes good talented fighters, and the success that the UFC enjoys flows from that love of the sport, not a need to profit off of it. I shouldn’t waste my time on small minded nymphs like you but this time I couldn’t resist.
Almost every pro sport has done something overseas. The nfl, mlb, nhl and i think the nba, but not positive.
Are they still popular overseas? Doing PPV’s overseas. You can try to cut down half my arguement but in the end BNF is still right, these are Apples and Oranges. I guess we should expect all the fighters to be fighting every night and you know forget training, just step into the ring and knock someone out. I mean the fighters protection is just as good as pads and helmets and such, They have Mouth gards and shorts, give me a f*cking break and stop reaching.
the nfl europe totally tanked. and baseball is only popular in japan, but they have their own big leagues. the nba has been the only sport to crossover to other countries. boxing is still big overseas, probably more so than in the u.s. thats why i see mma being sucsessfull overseas as well, b/c everyone understands a fight and what is going on. everyone saw what happen when chuck went over to the phillapenes(spellling?). 4 thousand people showed up just to watch him spar. i can imagine alot of the ufc’s fighters becoming big stars overseas someday.
*blink* Baseball is popular all over the place, not just Japan. Go to a game in The Dominican Republic, or Cuba. They’re fanatics over there.
true, but their good players all come to america to play, while the japanese are able to support their own major league and be financially succsessful. thats the arguement. i would add mexico and canada as countries that are into baseball, just to a lesser extent. btw i dont see myself going to a ballgame in cuba anytime soon. lol.
The question wasn’t what sport is overseas but what US leage that Introvert named. NHL, NBA, ect. Of course baseball is popular all around the place but that doesn’t mean that the American baseball league has any games in Cuba or else where
Ok, first of all introvert is totally right.. ofc every big sport is being played all over the world and that’s really what matters.. NBA, NHL, MLS are just the American leagues in some of the world’s biggest sports, and that’s why they are doing the best, they’re on another level when it comes to money and it’s also being televised all over the world.. The UFC is the biggest company in the small sport of MMA ok and it’s not even worth mentioning in top sports or top leagues in sports.. U can’t compare the UFC and MMA to another sport that generates so much money all over the world that it’s just stupid.. And for some of you thinking that baseball is a big sport it’s not haha it’s definitely not..
Introvert is officially the d*mbest poster this site has ever had. Period.
Follwed by RoB
listen the UFC is controversial too..
@Dave,
The UFC’s been around a long time and started off on alot shakier ground than Elite XC is. UFC will always be #1, but there is romm for #2. Why does it seem like all of you guys are UFC fans, but not MMA fans? That’s just strange to me.
I’m going to be blunt. I really hope Mania posts this because you need to see it for yourself. Nobody has said a thing about any other Org except for EXC on here. EXC is not number two, It would go UFC, WEC, DREAM, Affliction, all small MMA leagues, backyard brawling, then EXC. yea I said it what?
WTF Mania? You edited my comment, I get why, but seriously he needed somebody to say it to him.
I’d put Strikeforce in fron of XC
The only reason it was entertaining is because Kimbo got his ass whipped other than that I was not entertained.Second of all ,do you actually care about watching a real sport that you can actually believe the results,come on what EXC did was wrong ,and anybody that defends them for it are too.Why do we not care about boxing anymore ?Uhh, maybe cause every big fight for years , people believed to be fixed ,and MMA stepped up with real fights ,that you could believe the results
I wonder if Dana would have endorsed my Elite XC boycott?
He would have endorsed it, and gave you a hefty bonus!
Well I would have to say that Kimbo didn’t deserve to be in a main event, since he has such a lack of experience with top tier opponents. Yet Elite XC on cbs was damn good showing in my opinion. Pretty much all of the fights that I seen were exciting and fun to watch. Which is more then what the UFC has put out in SOME of there PPV’s. So I think that Dana White should worry about his own business and keep it going with some good fighters. If Elite XC fails so be it, I don’t think it should with the influence of Dana White continually bashing down their organization.
Correct.
Dana does not have ANY pull with the viewers of other events, and will never have any. He just toes the line for the UFC by insulting other orgs, and that retains all of his worshippers. His routine is getting old for anyone else IMO.
Question for you Dana lovers…..
If the president of MLB took Manny Ramirez aside and said “I sure like what you’ve done for the Dodgers by hitting those home-runs, and I’ll give you $1,000,000 if you hit one in your next game”…….would that be fixing a game?
No because that is sort of out of a batters control,but a 238 lb hw striker should knock out a 205 lhw mma,who has been told to not take it down to the ground any day of the week.It was not a fix ,I never said that it was ,but it was as close to fix as you can get.
Seth is a kickboxer…why would they tell him to stand if they wanted Kimbo to win the fight?
He was a light heavy weight,what do you not get,they know that Kimbo sucks on the ground, so they did not want somebody to get him down on the ground and their golden boy would have looked terrible like he did against Josh Thompson
If they know he sucks on the ground and wanted a standing only fight, then why did they match him up with Shamrock in the first place?
You guys a grasping at straws….
“Shamrock was matched up with Kimbo, because he’s a ground fighter”, then…”Seth was paid to not take it to the ground, because Kimbo sucks on the ground”…LMFAO!!!!!!
Which one is it?
I suppose they probably realized that Ken may sub Kimbo, then they paid Shamrock to cut himself, then they told Seth “do not take the fight to the ground” (which Seth was never even quoted as saying BTW).
Too funny.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose Introvert. The fact that Shamrock has not won any fight in quite sometime could have a part to do with him being put up against Kimbo. The fact that Ken is a natural LHW and has a glass jaw could be a factor. The fact that Bas was training Kimbo on his ground game to be prepared for Kens ground game could be a factor. Ken was a safe bet for EXC. Then Ken gets cut and cannot participate. They need to find him another fighter on short notice. Lets go with a LHW. On top of that if you did watch the Kimbo Thompson fight, you’d notice that a guy falling over would knock Kimbo down if he was in the way. A guy with zero ground game can control Kimbo easily on the ground. They didn’t want that so they asked Seth to stand up. Your right its not fixing a fight because Seth has the option to take it to the ground, he wasn’t bound by contract. But let me say something here, lets say you bet on Seth to win by submission. You were just cheated on of winning because the fight isn’t even going to go to the ground. Lets say you bet on Set to win period, well they just lowered his chances to win but since they didn’t publicly state that this fight was going to be a stand up war the betting odds remain unchanged. Its crooked to do such a thing and bad for business. Now most people don’t think EXC has been doing this for other fights but the fact that they bend over backwards for a guy who doesn’t have any MMA skills (brawling is not any kind of art) and let him be the face of MMA is degrading to the sport as a whole. Not the UFC but MMA as a whole. I don’t care who is the better company EXC or UFC, I care that they represent this sport well so that we can get more fans and build this sport into something big, something we can all get together on and appreciate. If you are making crooked deals it steals that dream from us fans and thats a FACT.
BTW…when did Seth say “they told me not to take it to the ground”?
This is the problem with you people…you spin the whole thing to suit your fancy. He never said that.
INTROVERT . go away! your the only person who is not a “real mma fan”. your only a gary and jared shaw fan b/c you hate the ufc so much. ive never seen anyone talk so much about dana white as you. you seem obsessed with him for some reason…….hmmmmm.
you go away.. if real mma fan means being blinded by some baldheaded guy then ok
On the radio ,where did you think all this came from ,Oh my bad they said We will make it more worth your while if you keep it standing ,and do not take it down to the ground.Basically we will pay you alot more if stand up with Kimbo,come on you are really pulling at straws
Question is why are you defending this crappy organization that you know is not worth a damn compared to UFC
Because monopolies are good for nothing, and I like watching MMA.
DW is attempting to monopolize the entire MMA market SO he will take shots at the other orgs.
In this case, unfortunately for EliteXC, his words speak for a majority of the hardcore MMA fans.
Everybody has an agenda.
I don’t hate EliteXC or Kimbo per se but the antics by Jared and Seth’s statements give MMA (as a whole) a bad rep.
Is anyone here loving Dana? No, people are simply saying Dana is correct, IF the fix was in(or if it appears the fix was in) this looks bad for ALL of MMA, including the UFC.
Then Dana should say “no, there was no fix”….No?
So Dana should back them up when they clearly have wrong the sport?
Introvert,
Has proof come to light that EXC didn’t have a fix in? Moreover, there only needs to be the apperance of a fix for nay sayers of MMA to have a field day. I can’t say if the fix was in. However, something doesn’t smell right coming from EXC.
Are they guilty, no. There is no proof of their guilt and I will not say EXC fixed a fight until there is absolute proof. However, is Dana right saying this makes all of MMA look bad, yes.
Introvert,
My apologies, I didn’t answer your question. Dana should only say there was no fix, if he knows there was no fix. A
Intorvert,
My apologies, I didn’t answer your question. No, Dana doesn’t need to say the fix was not in, because Dana never said a fix was in. Dana simply pointed out that if a fighter comes out and says what Seth said about his promotion company, it makes all of MMA look bad.
First of all that is business,second of all stop giving him reasons to bash your organization.We all know that when he bashes EXC is for a good reason .The reason usually always has revolved around them promoting Kimbo ,like he is the greatest heavyweight in the world
Their promotions for their fighters got them 4.3 million viewers.
Maybe Dana should start promoting his fighters instead of himself?….Hmmmm what a concept.
Yeah on Free television lets see how their PPV does ,oh yeah thats right they are probably not going to have one now that Kimbo lost
Exactly scott. Who in their right mind would pay to see Elite XC?
Why does that make you happy? What is your vested interest in MMA orgs failing? Do you prefer less events, and less entertainment?
There are other MMA orgs as well, examples would be DREAM and Affliction. Nobody is calling for the down fall of either of those orgs. Is that what we all want everybody? We want to see Dream and Affliction fail as well because of EXC? Yes that must be it, down with all companies except the UFC!
Ok F**K Dana.. What he did with Chuck Liddell was almost the same thing just that it’s a higher level of competition in the UFC, and his matchmaking is sometimes so obvious that you don’t even want to watch it, and he’s good at doing it the other way around like he did with Tito when he didn’t want him around, fair matchups my ass.. I see right through some fights that they set up so one guy will have a huge advantage in every way to beat the other, and that is why i’m so satisfied that Rashad Evans almost knocked the head of Liddell (Dana’s bf).. now there’s been some controversial decisions by the judges in UFC fights, Forrest Griffin, Bisping,Tyson Griffin and about 30 other fights, bad stoppages from the refs now don’t tell me that this isn’t controversial and not worth having conspiracy theories..
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Truth!!!
$KALA? is this really you? you k-fed looking douchebag!
Those controversial decisions are like a bad call in football or basketball. All of those controversies are close and are clouded by people who simply wanted the other fighter to win.
As for Dana’s matchmaking, that’s totally totally different from paying someone to fight in a certain style. I’m finding more and more now that Dana just wants great fights, a la GSP vs Penn, Wandy vs Page, Liddel vs Wandy, Couture vs Lesnar etc. All of these are intriguing and appeal to lovers of the sport. Sure the Liddel vs Rashad fight was going to favor Liddel, but any fight you arrange is going to lean in some way to one fighter or the other. 50 percent of the people here complained about Liddel getting a contender fight, while 50 percent defended it, and both had strong points. Sure Dana wants to make money, but he wants to do it through great fights and great fighters. The fact is, Liddel was going to have to beat someone undefeated in 9 fights to get there. BTW, I was happy too that Rashad won.
Sure he didn’t like Tito, but it’s still up to Tito to beat Machida, and he could have done it if he was smarter. It was in no way a sure thing. It was completely fair. Machida was an up and comer, winning would have been huge. What would you have suggested? A can? At Tito’s career.
Listen, you just don’t like Dana and you’re trying to come up with a rationale for it. That’s fine, but just admit it and stop attempting to defend it with limp logic.
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what some people dont realize, is that they are only able to blog on a site like this, due in a large part to dana white. he pretty much raised mma from its deathbed and has been its most postive advocate. if not for dana, we wouldnt be debating over elite, affliction, elite xc, the shaws or himself. if someone does not believe that, then let me remind them that this website itself was known UFCMANIA for quite awhile. if someone does’nt like dana, thats fine, it’s their business, but when they try and defend a corrupt org. like elite because of that hatred, it crosses the line and does a diservice to themselves.
I’m not defending anyone and definitely not Elite XC you are the one’s that are reading it that way.. What im saying is that Dana’s company might be dirty too.. I agree with you the UFC is more professional and there’s obviously a higher level of competition and everything that makes for better fights and all kinds of things, but what i was basically saying was that we don’t know what’s going on and i gave some facts about things that have happened in the UFC that is worth having theories about, they’re a whole lot smarter and professional about how they do things that’s for sure.. One thing that really gets to me is when ppl are acting like Dana is some sort of a god.. He didn’t create the sport of MMA like some seems to think, he and 2 rich friends took over a Company, an MMA league in the US and they’re the best right now.. If you don’t think that Dana can affect the way he wants a certain fight to go in some way then you’re insane.. I’m not saying they’re doing it but i have my own conspiracy theories every now and then..
Which Organization is actually worth money and which one is in debt ,thank you very much
one is worth about 1 billion, the other 60 million in the hole. ratings dont mean $hit if you dont have any money to pay your fighters. cbs sure isnt going to pay their salaries.
Time will tell.
No company starts off in the black…just business. A companies net worth in the first year, compared to a company that has been around for years, is no indication of it’s worth 2,3,4,5,6, years from now.
Most companies fail within their first two years of existing, so lets wait and see if EXC even makes it to 3,4,5,6 years.
yeah but it took zuffa about 4 years before they went 44 mil in the whole and elite has gone 60 mil in the hole in about a year and a half. i’ll say this, if elite gets rid of the shaws, gets rid of kimbo(a must for any kind of long term success) and merges with affliction, then they might have a shot at getting out of debt. just think instead of paying kimbo a million dollars over the last year or so, they could have used that money to market their REAL mma fighters like alvarez,shields,diaz and even lawler. or they could have used that money to try and sign guys like fedor, a.a. and barnett when they were available. they still could have signed kimbo for alot less money and not made him their #1 star and still would have drawn in the viewers. they tried to make a street fighter who cant fight mma as their #1 attraction and now its blowing up in their face.
If I remember correctly, the UFC was 20mil in the hole when the Fertitas and Dana took over? And then they lost another 20mil. But this was a time when the previous owner wasnt sanctioning his fights. And was banned from PPV. So it took a while for Dana and the Fertitas to turn that around. Just look at how many states now sanction MMA. So for EliteXC to just pop up and not go threw those problems and still be 60mil in the hole. That should tell you what kind of morons are running it.
JV,
Excellent point.
i know that they purchased the ufc for 2 million. i dont know if they incurrred their debt as well.i get your point though. plus zuffa was pretty much on their own when they 1rst started out(there was pride, but they werent even on the radar in the states) and didnt get the benefit of “piggybacking” off of anyone like elite and affliction have the ufc to. you would think it wouldnt be so hard after what the ufc has done to bring mma to the mainstream. but like you said, these guys are morons and tried to get rich quick and it does not work that way.
This argument holds no clout. For years the UFC struggled. The real question is, which organization promotes truly talented fighters? Which organization makes money through loving the sport, as opposed to love making money off the sport.
I should quantify this with the fact that both have good fighters, as Diaz, Alverez, and Cung show. But the Kimbo ordeal shows that Elite isn’t below making a facade for money.
4.3 million people were laughing their ass off when Seth beat Kimbo,and what did EXC get for it nothing just more debt and embarresment
4.3 million people that were entertained and will most likely catch the next show.
Where is your source for the “more debt” assumation? Dana’s above statements? LMAO
Dana’s the man. Couldnt have said it better.
“..throws this guy who fights at people’s barbecues on the main event because they’re trying to compete with us..”
did anyone else almost die laughing when they read this?
I did….because the “barbeque guy” blew Dana’s re-run out of the water on Saturday night.
I guess Dana needs to fire up his barbeque.
Like you said, it was a re-run, a few months old by now. If they ran events at the same time, who do you think would win then? How do you think an Elite XC rerun would do, because I know Stikeforce on NBC (Elite’s form of unleashed) gets relegated to practically negative airtime.
Introvert - you’re a fool. no one cares what you think. You’re just a loser trying to get people angry for no reason. You can’t compare the UFC to MLB, NFL, NBA etc.
You can only compare the UFC to OTHER MMA promotions! And NONE can touch the UFC. If you actually think Elite XC is a legitimate competitor to the UFC, you have absolutely no business being a fan. Go away and don’t come back!
PLEASE!
Dana is always more than happy to bash on anything that is not the UFC. Is this that much of a surprise to anyone?
He said the same thing about EliteXC before Oct 4th.
1 thing that the UFC can do to seperate their business from the immitators is come up with stats, brackets, and playoff tournaments. All major sports have that: NBA, NFL, MLB etc. Other mma orgs don’t have the depth in roster and talent to do that. It will reduce BS bias treatment, is better for credibility, and gives every serious fighter a fair chance to be the CHAMP! Doesn’t mean UFC should stop the super mega fights. UFC has the best fighters, cash, and the guy with the vision: Dana White! Go ahead and let the other silly orgs put on their silly fights. Time to seperate the UFC from the wannabes and keep touting the best fighters! I wonder what other hardcore fans think about this… anybody?????
No Fedor….no “best fighters”
I like the tournament idea and showing some more stats but ranking the fighters is very hard. You have to compare who they are fighting, how fast they finished the fight, in what fashion. You know it would probably get pretty complicated pretty fast. Another problem is that if you don’t have all the fighters in one Org its hard to cross compare them, so the UFC could be touting Nog as the number 1 HW when Fedor really is. And if they try to include Fedor in their rankings it gets a little messed up because Fedor doesn’t have the same opponents since he is in a different org. Just seems really hard to get a good rating system for the fighters.
That’s easy….Fedor owned Nog (multiple times) therefore Fedor is #1.
The best fighters are not in the UFC….definately not the best HW’s.
NCAA mens basketball tournament did it. UFC can do it too. During the initial rankings, there will be different opinions about whos above who, but thats better than confusion top to bottom and crying bias all time and stalling fighters.
As far as Fedor goes, he’s legendary, but he’s not in the picture. The UFC is the org with 90% of the best fighters. If they have a fair system to sort out the best, that guy IS the UNDISPUTED CHAMP! I don’t care what anybody says! And if #1 is matched up with #20, there WILL be 1 sided beatdown highlights, upsets, and sick fights on the way to the title shot. lol. And other orgs will look silly trying to match up 2 random guys, that in the grand scheme of things doesn’t determine anything. Thats why the NBA has no problem with the AND1 tournament doing their thing. But what do I know? just some ideas. ESPN, holler! lol.
WTF people, if you think it is so easy why don’t you try to make a ranking list. All the wins and losses for most fighters are listed over at Sherdog, best of luck to you. and stop comparing this to team sports this is solely one on one.
Champions league of MMA i’m all for it.. but there needs to be the same rules everywhere, the same playground and steroid testing everwhere then we’re talking..
Cogito. its easier than you think. i’ll do it if you buy my lunch. UFC has a list of each weight class. They know who the top 10 is. Expand that list by 10, then you got a 20 man tourney. so simple, pop u like a pimple.
What are you talking about, because the UFC’s top ten only include UFC fighters. That means that many fighters are getting shafted. On top of that what criteria are you rating them by. Just because you say you can do it doesn’t mean you actually can. Talk is cheap and so show me a top 20 list of one weight class and we’ll be talking. Just remember the second you post it, it’ll get ripped apart by everyone on this forum because your not best equiped to make a top 20 list. If you cannot make this list then I suggest you stop blowing hot air.
Im hearing alot of good stuuf in this debate and also some contradictory stuff.
my first point is the comparison between the debt the ufc had and the debt elite xc have. When the ufc were in debt, they had a strategy that they could sell the sport as mma, instead what was known of at the time as “cock fighting”, thus being the key reason behind their debt!! Once the sport was revamped and almost re-produced, the ufc had a clean slate to work from. Building the ufc as a structured sport and through this putting on exciting fights, which as the years have went on, has endeered itself to the mma fans and continues to grow.
Elie xc on the other hand have started their company based on the work the ufc have done, only trying to find their own stars (Kimbo), builing them in to something their not!! if elite xc are sensible they will and should know that they should cut their losses as they are never going to be able to compete, unless they can find ligitimate fighters!!
The unfortunate thing here is they still have to compete with the ufc!
In relation to intrevert’s ridiculous comments, iv never heard so much nonsense, from a so called fan!!
says a guy who bring gay ass gfake wrestlers in to mma and who let the biggest and best organizxation die… thats the real bringdown of mma. dont judge others while your own actions stans on top of that mrs dana white…..
use your regular screen name, fag