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Couture has had a problem with bigger, stronger heavy weights earlier in the past.
I really think lesnar will use his strength and size advantage, and grind out a decision.
Any thoughts?
I used to think that too but Tim Sylvia and Gabe Gonzaga were his last two wins. Those are/were like two of the biggest heavyweights in the UFC. Granted, they weren’t wrestlers but you see what I’m saying. Brock is inexperienced and Randy knows what it’s like to transition the wrestling background into MMA. There are weaknesses in that that he will try to expose.
I agree, but that picture doesn’t even do Brock justice. In reality he will be even bigger when standing side by side with Randy. Still, I hope Randy wins this one.
Yeah. I hope Randy wins this fight as well. It would certainly help for the case of Fedor being brought into the UFC. I understand the Brock poses a severe threat to Randy, but I still think that Randy could pull out a victory. I am just stating possibilities as to how he could go about doing so.
We have not seen how Brock responds when he is in trouble. I wonder if has the instincts to recover or close guard quick enough for him to recovery if he gets hit with a hard punch. We also have not seen his chin tested. He may very well have a weak chin.
Just looking at this photo makes me think Randy is in trouble.
Randy looks like he has lost weight and Brock looks like a f-ing monster.
I’m trying to work out what Randys game plan would be. He is gonna struggle if he stands and trades because he is not known for his striking and Brock has a big reach advantage.
If you add that to Brocks speed and power, if it stays on the feet Randy is in the sh*t.
So can Randy dominate in the clinch with his dirty boxing/wrestling, er sorry but no, Brock is too strong and will throw him around like a rag doll.
So the only way i can see Randy winning this is to sub him off his back, which is a problem because he has never been slick on the ground.
I could see Randy pulling guard after working out that he can’t win any other way, a la Tito vs Machida. Then scrambling around for an armbar whilst eating hammerfists.
The more i think about it the more i see Brock winning.
Man that photo didn’t look right. I don’t ever remember Randy looking that skinny even when he fought at 205. If that’s a current real picture, Randy better hit the weights.
AS for who I will root for, I am kind of in a dilema! I cant stand Randy Couture. He was the main when he was Captain America, now I dont really like the Greedy senile version of Couture. I would like to see Brock smash him, but if that were to happen, then I would not get to see nog rip his arm off in a fight that I wanted to see for years now. So I dont know who to root for. If the UFC could garentess that with a loss, Brock would fight Gonzaga next, then I would be OK with Randy winning.
F it, i wont root for anyone and I will just enjoy the match up!
Got to get to work, Check back in around 3 or 4. Peace, Maniacs!
WORK???? John got a job???
Quick Note about the poster - Where is the cheesy name? Like UFC 91 Collision Course or UFC 91 WWE SuperStar vs UFC Champ or UFC 91 Senile Old Man Gets Killed. They always have a dumb name for thier PPV’s. But isnt UFC 90 called Silva vs Cote or did they have someone pull something out thier rare end for that one yet? Like UFC 90 RIP Cote.
As for Brock vs Randy, I still got Brock winning. I put my bet in the moment the lines opened and got him at even money. I suggested at the time that anyone else considering a bit on Brock should do so at that time because I don’t see either of thee fighters becoming +anything. Last I checked Brock was -130 and Randy Even.
Since my money is on Brock and Randy has been super greedy, I think I will actually be rooting for Brock - I can’t beleive I just said that! However, Randy vs Fedor is the fight that EVERYONE wants to see. Although, most people, including myself, think that Fedor would tear right through Randy. However, a win over Lesnar and Nogueria would change a lot of minds on how he may do against Fedor.
HA i said it first from that first blog video of when Randy was having lunch with Dana white,i said that Couture looks much smaller!! and this picture just proved my point.. even when he was on that show couture didn’t look as beefed up as he did against Gonzaga… hope he bulks up, cuz if not he’s in trouble…
Vm: Its lunch time at my JOB! Yes a JOB! Drexel University as a 6 month co-op program where I have to get a real job and complete it for 6 months or I cant graduate, thats why I havent been posting as much. Work in this hell whole for 6 months, and then graduate in June. The end is near!
Vm: I am happy I listened to you and threw money on Brock when the lines opened because Randy has always been underestimated so many people will bet Lesnar swinging the odds even more away from Brock. Great call and thanks for the heads up!
They should have put Lesnar behind Couture. It would have been a funny picture showing how much bigger Lesnar is than Randy.
Happy to hear about the Co-Op and that you are only months away from graduating.
And reagarding the Lesnar odds, no problem and any time!!!! I knew that neither fighter, especially Brock would be +anything. Lesnar at Even seemed like the way to go, and didn’t that line move FAST!
Am I the only person who thinks Brock Lesner is a total joke and has no place in the UFC?I just watched the Heath Herring fight and Lesner had his back for 1/2 the damn fight.He didn’t do anything.He has no ground skills.He couldn’t even sink a simple guillitine choke.He didn’t know what to do with side control or even how to make a good take down.Dana White should just hire a bunch of fat asses to lay on each other.They would work for less than a true athelete and by the way if Joe Rogan thinks as he said on TV that Lesner is for real and has skills then he is more of a DOUCHEBAG than Lesner.Maybe Dana is just getting greedy and wants mindless idiots to watch a 260 former professional with no skills but I think the public is smarter than that.
I hope Randy wins more than any fight I have ever wished for. Maybee Lesnar will learn something about sportsmanship. Yes he dominated Heath Herring, but you know what, Herring NEVER gave up and showed heart. This ass clown Lesnar points and laughs, pathetic as far as I am concerned. I hope he gets his arm broke.
He had, but he is much more game than Brock as well. I think his experience and skills will “outpower” Lesnar.
to close to call.
KICK HIS ASS SEABASS!!!! and by that I mean Spank his his ass Randy like you did to Titi. HA!
Freakshow! Without a co-main event 91 is not that great. None the less, i want couture to win then he has to face Nog. You got away ten years ago and last year but nowhere to run now, handy!!!
There is not one ounce of my being that thinks that Randy is in any way afraid of Nog. Lesnar poses a much greater threat to Randy IMO. On top of that, Nog is a great fighter, but is FAR from intimidating.
naturalshadow- I couldn’t agree more. Styles make fights.
Agree as well. Lesnar is harder fight for Randy than Randy fighting Nog. For Lesnar, Nog is a MUCH harder fight than fighting Randy.
Good point VM.
Not to crap on your opinion VM but that should be obvious considering Mir got the best of Lesnar despite taking a beating.
Given Nog’s rep for endurance and the superior jits he has, that is a no-brainer.
BTW - I think I am the only one that has Lesnar ripping through Randy.
Lesnar has that nasty boy arrogance that translates into a fierce, aggressive style.
He is also in his physical prime, while Randy is older and has not been in competition since ???
Too much for Randy at this point in his career.
Excuse me??? Crapping on my opinion whey you 100% agree with me??? That makes zero sense.
And as far as “that should be obvious” goes, from what I’ve been reading on this site lately, I noticed that things that are obvious to me, are certainly not obvious to most other people. I do look forward to one of your next posts, so I can take a nasty poop all over it! LOL
Also, you say that you are the only one that has Lesnar tearing through Randy. Scroll up buddy, I have had my money placed on Brock since the day after the fight was announced.
Are you delusional????? Or you should change your screen name to “Mr. Contradiction”
Wow.
I am sorry that you are so sensitive.
Lesnar doesnt pose any threat aside from top control. Not enough time to develop new skills since herring. Nog is more battle tested and the better fighter. He never quits but unlike him we have seen Couture fold under crushing blows and tight submissions.
You don’t think he would fold from a crushing blow from Lesnar? Like the one that dropped Herring? You do make a valid point. It’s strange I have debated as to why each of these guys would win which tells me that I am undecided as to who will indeed win.
I’d have to agree. I think Randy can beat Nog and Mir and I think Lesnar presents a big threat to Randy. I think Randy might pull this one off but man it’s going to be tough! Can’t wait!
The thing though is that 1- submissions are clearly the way to beat Lesnar, 2- Not enough time for Lesnar to drastically improve his BJJ game. Couture has more experience and Drysdale and Jacare. It would be easy to change up his game if in trouble. Lesnar however has to keep playing a safe game because he doesn’t have that experience. That’s why handy isn’t worried in the slightest bit. As far as randy beating Nog, he has as much chance of that happening as Nog beating fedor.
exactly.. I wouldn’t give Handy much of a chance to beat Nogueira, Nog has better boxing and he’s soo much better than Randy on the ground that he would submit him and if not he would knock him out..
joe stevenson vs. kenny florian is the co-main event for ufc 91
I hope not especially for what is supposedly the biggest PPV of all time.
laaame!
couture purely by experience. definitely gonna be a decision though. I don’t think he can hurt lesnar.
hey guys, i’ve been waiting for a Couture thread to come up for a few days now. I have to write a paper for college on a hero, and since I want to try to base a bunch of my speeches and papers on MMA (the thing I love most), I am doing mine on Randy Couture. I’ve looked around online, and couldn’t really find what exactly he did in the Army. I know thats where he learned Greco-Roman wrestling and boxing, and was on the All-Army Wrestling team or whatever, but I’ve gotten mixed results on his MOS and whatnot. If you would like to help, see what I have written, or offer suggestions, email me at furnera@erau.edu thanks guys in advance for the help (assuming it comes)
Don’t really know what he did in the army mate, know this is pointing out the obvious but buy/borrow/rent his book. That should explain all.
yeah thought of that.. broke college kid though. i need every penny i can get.
Check your local library. The book will contain WAAAAAAAY more info than you will find on the web regarding his life.
I believe there is a video online for the 1 hr show he did for the biography channel. Gives a quick summary of his life. You might be disappointed to find out that he’s human and not that great of a human at some points either though if you read his book written by Loretta.
reply to josh: i don’t see how you can say he’ll win on experience alone, hearing was supposed to win on experience and has had more fights than randy, he was also supposed to be the more skilled of the two. i’m not saying randy can’t win but i just see it being a hard night for him, i think lesnars size, speed and strength might nullify anything randy tries to do, i do however think randy has the advantage standing, as of late he’s been hard to hit and I think he has faster hands, if you watch the hearing fight i think in about the 2nd round lesnar tries a combo but it seems really slow, he has huge power but i don’t think he has fast hands. I can deffinatly see randy getting the better of the stand up but when lesnar wants it to go to the ground i think it will, if randy can stop his takedowns i will be unbelivably impressed, if not then I don’t think he has good enough bjj to catch lesnar in something. I see lesnar taking him down and finishing him with GnP but not sure what round. I am picking lesnar to win but by no way am i counting randy out.
KICK HIS A@@ SEABASS!!! GO RANDY GO!!!
Man, it’s amazing to see that picture. Randy is a huge guy compared to 95% of the other fighters in the division. That picture makes him look like a skinny high school kid compared to Brock.
Randy is the master at coming up with a winnable game plan. This will be a good test for him for sure.
Bigger than 95% of the guys in what division? Not the heavyweight. Randy is one of the smaller heavyweights.
True. I believe he walks around at about 225 lbs. I can’t think of any smaller heavyweights off the top of my head out there in the UFC except for Vera and he dropped down to 205.
I believe randy was around 235- 240 against Gonzaga.
True, and I mis-spoke. Randy is a pretty big guy though, and he looks small next to Brock. Randy doesn’t have to cut weight to fight in the HW division, Brock does. Brock walks around at more than the 265 top weight.
Regardless, it’s going to be interesting for sure.
Alot of people are saying that they think that Randy looks way smaller than Brock in that picture and that it may have even been edited to make it look more drastic. I actually think that the pic was doctored to make Brock loock smaller.
I want to see the two of them side by side at the weigh ins.
Randy larger than 95% of HW’s???? HUH????
i dont agree that he is bigger than 95% of the other heavy weights, but randy looks scrawny in this picture. Heath Herring is a big heavyweight and weighs around 250 and when he clinched up with lesnar he looked like a little middleweight i cant wait to see the size advantage during the fight in november
So…has this event sold out yet?? Last I checked, the “Biggest Event in UFC History” still had tickets for sale….
alot of people hate on lesnar because they beleive he doesnt deserve a title shot but guys last time i checked who does deserve a title shot ??? werdum? he is the most boring fucking heavyweight who would get wrecked by randy. herring was next in line for beating kongo and if he beat lesnar he would have had a shot but he got bitch slapped to the so called ” one trick poney” when i saw the fight i saw him outstrike a veteran and took him down at will. lesnar is exciting and is a big draw who i believe will upset randy
The fight makes sense from a business standpoint otherwise Werdum would deserve the shot. Either that or Big Nog. If it wasn’t for TUF, Nog would be in this fight.
They should have treated arlovski right and given the shot to him.
Lesnar will hurt Randy real bad[like he did to Mir] and if Randy doesn’t bring a sense of urgency into this fight, he may end up losin’[loosin’, hehe]this one to “The Monster”, Brock “Freak on a Leash” Lesnar…
Okay, if this wasn’t a joke, then I apologize, but was this comment a joke?
No, it ain’t a joke. Randy will win, but he can get hurt in the process. Whose side are you on anyway?
Well I thought it was a joke based on your “like what he did to Mir” comment. I think Mir got a scalp laceration and that was it. I could be wrong though.
I am on nobodies side in particular. I think that this is either mans fight so I just debate with people who seem set on either man winning 100%. (I think that makes sense) I understand the logic behind each theory being as I have bounced back and forth on the subject several times myself. But all in all, this fight is a tough one to call and I don’t think that anyone can be certain as to who will win. (I know that ANYTHING can happen in MMA so no one should be certain about any fight but this one particularly stands out as a fight that is too close to call)
Agreed even though i want randy to win.
Brock is a freak of nature! but then again….so is RANDY COUTURE!! for 44 or 45 anyway….
Brock by decision. Look at the difference between their arms. Randy will be lucky to weigh in at 225 for this fight, while lesnar will be coming in around 280, If not more. Think about that size difference.
Saying Randy will beat Brock is like saying GSP would beat Randy. (In accordance to weight)
yeah but gsp weights lik 180 almost after weigh ins it’ll be like bj penn fighting randy after they weigh in for weight classes..
i dont care what kind of “big heavyweights” randy has fought NONE are anywhere near brocks weight,or skill level (i give gonzaga his fluke win over cro cop) brocks gonna just steam roll the heavyweight division outmuscling everyone hes not a sim sylvia size or gonzaga those guys have a lot of body fat brock doesnt have much at all
It would be like a 45 year old Bantomwight defeating a MW fighter with wrestling abilities.
yeah exactly dude and there isnt another guy in heavyweight that big not FAT and out of shape mir has a gut,timmy has a gut,herring has a gut, the ones that dont have fat stomachs and man boobs are either 225 lbs or named brock lesnar
Word VM. Word.
FYI, the max in heavyweight is 265 pounds. I think the poster shows an accurate side-by-side comparison; Lesnar isn’t way bigger than Couture (like I thought he’d be), although Couture is looking really skinny.
Couture going to pull off the upset, and be the end of Lesnar pretending to be an MMA figher, IMO. haha
we all know the weight limit which brock BARELY can make and after weigh ins (the day before the fight so he has 30+ hours to put on more weight) brock will be over 280lbs randy will still only be 225 i dont care if people say brocks muay thai is terrible and his bjj isnt up to par he has POWER and unlike kimbo slice a real chin and a gas tank about like a mack truck hell everything about him is like a mack truck
We really haven’t seen if he has a chin no one really hit him hard yet.
accurate? that picture shows them being almost the same height. that pic is nowhere even close to being accurate. do you remember how big brock looked againsta 250 lb heath herring?
Randy is listed as like 6′2 and Brock as 6′3.
Randy looks tiny in that pic.
Brock is just to big! Unlike The Sloth Sylvia- Brock is fast. The only way to beat Brock is to put him in a leg or arm lock, and only Mir, Nog, and Fedor have that skill. Couture lacks BJJ skills, and he will not be able to bang with Lesnar like he did Gonzaga. Brock is Huge!!!!!!!!!
You don’t need to have great BJJ skills to submit Brock. Brock is an incredible strong and fast fighter but he is still a rookie.
I agree… I picture Randy on Brock’s back with a RNC locked in for the victory. Brock will not be able to stay calm - he is too inexperienced for Randy.
I hope Randy can get his arms around that neck. Those traps of Brock’s are going to be in the way too.
The only way courture wins is by submission and its not going to involve brocks neck or arms so that only leaves his legs. GL randy but I think its only a 1-8 chance he can win.
Rememeber the way that Brock stood over Frank Mir before he got submitted? He stood in a similar way above Heath Herring. I wonder if he will make that same mistake and get caught in a submission…
Remember, Randy has only two submission victories. I think.
He has time to prepare to submit a wrestler transitioning into MMA though.
If Randy can keep the fight standing for long stretches he can outpoint Brock. Randy’s stand-up has come a long way. He’s has fared well standing against some great strikers (Belfort, first Chuck fight, Silvia, Gonzaga) in the past. Brock probably hits hard but I doubt he has the movement that Randy has and he could be picked apart a little and might force his takedowns. That said, Randy doesn’t have the kind of knees that could punish Brock in an ill-advised shoot. Brock is going to be a beast to sprawl against. Randy isn’t great off his back either.
This is a tough one for The Natural. You can be sure Randy will fight smart and be ready to rumble, though. I wouldn’t bet against him, but he’s going to need to dirty box his ass off and probably break his hands on Brock’s head if he’s going to get a W.
Randy will get KOed in the first 3 min if he keeps it standing, we know he doesnt have a great chin and u saw brock has a lot of power.
i wonder if the ufc is trying to make randy look tiny in that poster on purpose. i guess it helps promote the fight and both outcomes either way. cant wait to see this one. i never wanna count randy out but holy crap.
Brock will overpower him and cave his face in, that’s just the way it’s gonna go even in the standup if he connects with Randy’s face which he will it’s OVA.. I don’t think this PPV will be bigger than UFC 84, there’s too many uninteresting fighters other than Lesnar and Couture..
Randy’s gotta survive the first 3 minutes, then I think he’s got it in the bag. No proof, No reasoning, just a hunch.
That sword on Brocks chest gets to me every time. Why a sword on your chest!!!
Can’t see Randy having the strength to live with Brock but I hope to God he can pull off something like the first round punch that rocked Sylvia. Will be interesting to see how the bookmakers price this one.Presuming Brock as slight favourite
Lines opened at:
Randy -130
Brock Even
Now they are
Randy Even
Brock -130
seriously.. a friggin SWORD.. on his chest.. ><
Couture’s gonna lose i think
I hope he wins so he can get his arms submitted off his torso by nogeura…
That’s no sword son, that’s a penis.
randys got better muay thai, better jiu jitsu, way more experience, a great greco clinch, more intelligence, and better wrestling for mma.
brocks bigger, stronger, faster, has a better wrestling pedigree, heavier hands and is younger.
brock has an edge in conditioning because he trains like sean sherk and is in the prime age.
randy on the other hand, even though he trains very hard, is past his prime and his VO2 max levels are declining.
kurt angle also said that brock is a mental midget, while randy couture is known for always being the victor in battles of wills.
im also judging by the tremendous size of brocks neck that hed be able to take a solid punch, im giving the physical chin to brock.
breakdown:
striking: randy
submission: randy
strength: brock
power: brock
athleticism: brock
conditioning: brock
mental: randy
chin: brock
experience: randy
gameplan: randy
haha love to see couture try and greco clinch brock!
conditioning: brock?
chin: brock?
wow, thats bold since we havent see Brocks chin yet and he hasn’t gone 5 rounds yet… you may be right, but we don’t know that yet. We may see Brock on his back in this one, that will be very interesting, I wonder how much he trains from his back. Probably not too much and when a guy like Randy is on top of you, you are in trouble. If Randy can get on top, this one could be over pretty quick. If not, Brock has a great chance of winning a decision!
randy will rnc brock in the 4th (just like hughes did to him at miletich’s gym when he first started out). brock will be lost in the later rounds. when you get tired and beat on lack of experience really shows.
Its tough to RNC a guy with no neck!
those neck muscles of his dont really protect his carotid artery, hughes did it.
True. I remember hearing that Hughes did that.
Hughes choked out Brock? when did this happen? I never heard this? That’s kind of cool.
Is this the first time a sponsor has had their name on the event poster? Never noticed that before. Wonder how far they’ll take it. We already get to hear it during the fighs: “Now let’s go to the Burger King replay. According to the Harley Davidson Dark Custom time clock there were only ten seconds left.” At least it is well done on the poster.
This is such an interesting fight because it pits strength vs skill; youth vs experience! Who will win, it’s acutally hard to say… Randy has proven himself before and suprised us more than a few times (at 45 years old!). But Brock is the biggest and strongest heavyweight the UFC has ever seen.
Despite the fact that this fight shouldn’t even be happening IMHO (Brock should not be getting a title shot, but that’s another arguement for another time), this is still going to be an interesting match.
This could be a really short fight (via Lesnar’s cannons), but Couture could still pull of an upset, tag Lesnar in the right place, submit him, or any number of tricky things that comes with that kind of experience.
All I have to say is: my money is on Couture (metaphorically), let’s see if I’ll be living in a cardboard box under a bridge!? lol.
many of you are simply underestimating how frickin strong randy is. his muscle strength compared to his muscle mass, in my opinion, is greater than brock’s.
Um, ok. But who is stonger / more powerful? We ain’t talking lb for lb. or breaking out physics equations.
its closer than you think especially when you consider
on how to apply it in mma. he is not goig to get thrown
around.
Mir and Herring were man handled pretty easily. I’m not counting out Randy in terms of strength but face the facts, Brock is huge and incredibly strong. He could easily throw around a 225 man in Randy Couture.
to be honest. im excited with this fight but did i miss some shows? how did Brock became nr 1 contender?
I hope Randy wins but I think Brock will be to big and to strong for him, Brock will take him down then he will lay on top of him and ground & pound him until the fight is over. I understand the Brock has little experience in an MMA fight but he is not inexperienced. I also understand the at Randy is the man with all the skill and experience, I just dont think he will be able to handle Brocks size and strenght in this fight, we will see though and personally cant wait for this one.
anybody worried for Randy that he’ll get beatdown worse than Herring? this guy Brock is dangerous.
I am.. the old man won’t have even have a chance at winning, it’s gonna get ugly and it will definitely not go any longer than 2 rounds..
randy looks like a shadow of his former self in this picture. he resembles an emaciated old man.
that picture of randy reminds me of wilfred bramble out of steptoe and son ha ha.no seriously we all know hes a lot more muscular and thickset than that.this is a pickem and the earlier poster making comparisons between silva/gonzaga and brock are way off.lesnars an animal.hes definitely the stronger out of the two but randys body positioning and greco roman trips could be the difference because we all know great wrestlers are no good on their back.im gonna stick my neck out(im always wrong anyway so bet the opposite lol)randy decision!
three words, old man strenth. As long as randy doesn’t get knocked out i think he’ll win this fight. I hate Brocks WWE like attitude he’s trying to bring to mma. Honestly who yells “can you see me now” and does a little lame dance (he has obouisly practiced in the mirror a thousand times) after winning a decition, all he really did was lay on keith, and mir im not impressed with his skill at all just his size and speed.
the can you see me now was a reference to everyone saying they couldn’t see him being able to become a top heavyweight because he started training for mma so late in life.
Randy looks almost as big as Brock in that picture. What is everyone talking about? Oh wait… I just put on my glasses. Randy looks about 65 lbs. less. It would be like my wife trying to beat me up.
randy needs to break lesnars nose early like he did gonzagas. get him breating out his mouth to tire him out and prime him up for a knock out. what are the odds of that happening? not a real good chance but hey… i’ve said that before. i dont like lesnar but i think he’s gonna be really dominant in this fight and pretty much every fight if he just settles down a little and sticks to his strenghts and his gameplan.
i looked on stubhub just to see how much the tickets were and front row is 20,000$ thats crazy and randy is definitly gonna win and show once again that he is the best heavywieght then he is gonna beat minitauro then it should be couture vs liddell 4 and couture is gonna kill him too but i hope that before next year is over we can see fedor vs couture
i wanted to see fedor and randy fight, but not now that he’s 45. i just want to see randy get away from this sport without ending up like most pro boxers, if brock doesn’t give him brain damage ol fedor will. fedor wants that fight every bit as bad as people want to see it, just to prove what most already know, fedor and silva are the best in the world period.
on second thought if fedor would be willing to step in the cage i would want to see them fight.
fedor is willing,but dana isn’t willing to pay him what he is worth.