
Event: UFC 94: “St. Pierre vs. Penn 2″
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, at 10 p.m. ET on pay-per-view (PPV)
Location: MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada
Main event:
UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre vs. UFC Lightweight Champion B.J. Penn in a 170-pound title bout
Main card (Televised):
205 lbs.: Lyoto Machida (13-0) vs. Thiago Silva (13-0)
205 lbs.: Stephan Bonnar (11-4) vs. Jon Jones (6-0)
155 lbs.: Nate Diaz (10-2) vs. Clay Guida (24-9)
170 lbs.: Karo Parisyan (18-5) vs. Dong Hyun “Stun Gun” Kim (11-0-1)
Under card (May not be broadcast):
170 lbs.: Jon Fitch (17-3) vs. Akihiro Gono (29-13-7)
155 lbs.: Manny Gamburyan vs. Thiago Tavares
170 lbs.: Chris Wilson (14-4) vs. John Howard (10-4)
265 lbs.: Jake O’Brien vs. Christian Wellisch
170 lbs.: Matt “No Regard” Arroyo (3-2) vs. Daniel Cramer (0-0)
*Fight not yet officially confirmed by UFC.com.
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So excited for this fight, could go either way. Im canadian so if gsp wins it ill be happy but bj penn is among my top 5 fav fighters so as long as the fight is exciting ill be happy
I’m not from Canada but I like these two guys too. I’m hoping for a great fight.
I’m hoping for an mma clinic, with GSP winning in the 1st round, 4 min. and 30 sec. High speed chess match.
GSP is gonna walk through BJ… it will be a beautiful double leg takedown by GSP and he will pin him against the cage and pound his Hawaiian ass to a TKO stoppage in the first round….
but this is a very stupid match up for GSP… BJ is not the number one contender one thing so thats one reason he shouldn’t have taken the fight, and the other reason is he already beat him… and he is not even a challenge for Pierre…. i think kenny floarian will even destroy BJ… but the crowd wants to see it… but talking as a fighter sometimes fighters need to think about themselves more than what the crowd wants to see…. IF, IF Pierre loses his belt then he will be fucked… and whats gonna happen for UFC 100 where all the belts are suppose to be on the line? is BJ gonna fight twice, i mean that will never happen cuz BJ wont beat GSP in the first place… but just a thought…
BJ is going to win. You are an idiot to think that BJ doesn’t belong there.
LETS GO BJ!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got BJ by 4th round rear naked choke. If GSP wins, it will be by decision. I don’t think GSP will be able to finish him (BJ has been finished only ONCE in his career after he got injured), but he has the ability to do just enough to win at least 3 rounds.
what the heck? 4th round? i doubt BJ will even be able to answer the bell for the fourth round, let alone choke GSP out… if BJ wins its in the first or second
george wont be answering the bell between the 4th and 5th, george doesnt have the skills to last 5 rounds with bj. george is a great fighter but bj is on a level of his own lets see george move up and down in weight. hes never done maybe 185 it is my dream match up and should be an instant classic
I agree with most of your post dave except i dont see BJ finishing George faster then he finished Sherk and even with Hughes the 2nd time (although out of shape) without the injury it would have probably atleast went into the fourth, Matt hung in there and George has twice as much heart and will as Matt (as shown in the first Penn fight) Near the end of the 4th, RNC, BOOM!
Well for starters saying that that Matt Hugues has less heart that GSP is way off. Matt is one of the greatest fighters to ever step in the octagon and help put ufc on the map along with evan tanner randy couture and a few others. Now i see this fight being a great match up between 2 amazing fighters. This fight has could end early or be a 5 round war. Now BJ is a great fighter but i think gaining 15 pounds and still having to train everyday will take its toll. niether fighter is has the condtioning it takes to last 5 rounds but i wouldhave to say GSP takes this one even thou i like BJ Penn better… Surprise me BJ!
He doesnt have to put on 15 pounds dude . . . forget it, ill informed.
r u guys crazy…GSP is gonna kill BJ, 2nd round at the most whether it be submission or TKO!!!!!!
how are you going to say that neither fighter has the conditioning to last five rounds you honestly did not watch the GSP fitch fight because gsp beat the hell out of him for five rounds and could of went ten if he wanted and GSP ALL THE WAY BJ PENN I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR PERFORMANCE
Mitch, I think GSP is going to set a tone, “a la Anderson Silva vs Leaban”.
This fight won’t go to decision! I see GSP finishing this one in the 4th round by TKO. BJ won’t be able to take GSP down so if it goes to the ground GSP will be pounding on BJ and since GSP’s Gn’P is conservative Bj won’t be able to catch GSP in a submission. if BJ gets close to a sub GSP will be able to power out. BJ’s cardio is better than the first time they fought but GSP has gotten better in every way (don’t think BJ will be able to handle the pace GSP sets for long). GSP’s striking is better than BJ’s plus GSP has the size and reach advantage (think he’s faster as well). GSP from bell to bell! BJ should stay at lightweight where he will reign supreme for a long time. But the welterweight division belongs to GSP. Either way this should be a great fight between the 2nd and 3rd pound for pound fighters in the world! Got to say i also want GSP to win because after this win he will get a shot at Anderson Silva’s middleweight title in what would be another amazing superfight. save comments on that one ’till the contracts are signed.
Cause it will be BJ signing that contract with Ando, not George.
Dana White announced a few weeks ago that BJ Penn will not fight Anderson Silva no matter what type of fit BJ throws. You must have missed that article.
I dont care what Dana says, just like BJ, thats why.
I don’t think bj would make it to the fourth with gsp without pukin.
Gsp has way to much energy hes faster and sronger than bj.
But if bj does win it will be in round 2 via armlock but i personally don’t think it will happen.
Gsp will win by tko late 3rd.
I hope BJ kicks the shit out of St Pierre.This fight i am so excited to see,two fighters at the top of their game and a whole bunch of fan trash talking this early. This is mma at its finest not fuckin wwe superstar vs an almost 50 year old has been.Randy ruled back in the day but this is a new era of fighters.Anyone excited about the prospect of liddell vs silva.Interesting isnt it. maybe feb 21st
BJ Penn … Baby Jay Penn … LMFAO/LOL/LMFAO !!!
GSP is going to make little Baby Jay need his pampers changed, after he wipes the mat with his face.
BJ is going to get beat down like a redheaded step child.
probably worse…
So true.
I expect another razor-thin split decision, hopefully in BJ’s favor this time
BJ’s going to be too big (fat) and he’ll gas and lose. He’s great where he’s at right now at 155lbs. He should stay down there and dominate until retirement. He’s one of the great phenoms along with Miguel Torres, Uriah Faber, GSP, and Anderson Silva.
Of course in BJ’s favor!!! BJ BJ BJ!!!
GSP by 4th round TKO
1: GSP and B.J. Penn are great fighters. This will be a war of cardio and talent. I think at 170 lbs. GSP will have the cardio and B.J. will have the talent. Remember, during the first match it was a RAZOR thin decision for GSP, and 170 is not BJ’s natural fighting weight. He is a threat (and champ) at 155. I watched GSP tear through Matt (overrated) Hughes. I watched him tear through Matt (one time) Serrra. But when is the last time GSP has fought a REAL contender?
2: B.J. Penn has outboxed the best including Jens Pulver who has been deemed the best straight up boxer in the division. He beat the shit out of Joe Stevenson. For sure. And I dont know if anybody remembers this, but he has beaten Matt Hughes. And he is just getting better.
I think they are both GREAT fighters but when you think about it, B.J. Penn is just better that GSP. I may be wrong, and if I am, then rip me a new one, but until then, watch B.J. own two belts for the first time EVER!
To answer your question: August 9th, 2008.
you said Matt Hughes was overrated when it comes to GSP beating him but you still state his name in wins that apparently are legit for BJ? make sense please. and Matt Serra isnt any worse than Joe “suddenly amazing” Stevenson.
BJ , i like him but hes too cocky and hopefully that will be his downfall. and if you actually want to break it down then in my mind GSP has the slight edge on paper but its debatable either way i guess. one thing i can say for sure is GSP likes to push the pace and already has a win over Penn. i think Penn wanted this fight too soon and may be talking too much. should be a war either way. GO GSP!!
Because the Hughes BJ beat was the best Hughes to enter the octagon (throughout Hughes’s career) and he Hughes that GSP beat was outdated. Not to mention BJ is not a nat 170er so that adds to it and that GSP has a huge height and reach advantage over Hughes and pretty much every 170er out there. Too bad GSP cant finish any one that stands over 5′11, decision after decision if he isnt half a foot taller than his opponent and armed with at least and 8 inch reach advantage. While BJ goes all the up to 205 and is undefeated at 185 against 2 Gracies . . . Wouldnt that new black belt make GSP somewhat a Gracie now . . . In Hawaii, besides “the Prodigy”, they call BJ the Gracie Killer since he beat both those Gracies in Hawaii for all his people to see. Add Serra to that list of Gracies to huh, thats 3, GSP is just another one about to bite the dust.
And whats funny, is that besides Serra, George is the smallest of the four Gracies = ) Maybe the best of the four Gracies, but not the strongest or the biggest in any catagory. And BJ was doing all that Gracies whoopin when he was out of shape, now, its a wash. Lamb to slaughter. BJ BJ BJ!!!
What are we talking about here, Jiu-Jitsu or MMA? Unless you’re talking about Rixson or Royce, Gracie is just a name in the MMA world. IF we’re talking about pure grappling that may be a different story. SInce when does height or reach matter when it comes to grappling anyway? Also, everyone is talking about BJ outboxing everybody…Pulver, pretty sure he submitted him…Sherk, well hes about 5′5″ with a reach of about 40 inches. Stevenson, got submitted. I cant see anything happening in this fight except a standup battle with the occasional takedown by GSP, But it will be incredibly hard to do much damage to BJ even on the ground. All GSP has to do is stay away from the jab. GSP should win it in the championship rounds. IT was a great thing for GSp to go 5 rounds with Fitch, it shows his cardio and mind are both right
Did he not out box Pulver for the few seconds they stood, as well Stevenson got peppered while standing with Penn in the 2nd, he out boxed Sean for 15 straight minutes, he outboxed Rodrigo Gracie at 185 (while out of shape) for 15 minutes, KO’d Uno, Standing Knee for Thomas, Gomi ate it in the clinch, Hughes was outboxed tilthe 3rd (injury) in the second fight, in the first fight it was a punch that won BJ the belt not th RNC, AND GEORGE DEFINITLY GOT OUTBOXED!!!! For one round atleast, but its not like George went on to outbox BJ after that, BJ just got tired, George didnt do anything to BJ, not a scratch. Thats why people say BJ has hands, the submissions usually come after he outboxes someone and drops ‘em, what else can he do, say “get up, i have to keep boxing you or people will only my BJJ, its not my fault my punches are fucking devistating!” NO! He goes down and finishes, something George should learn a little about, finishing.
Again you show your ingnorance when you say GSP has decision after decision against guys over 5′11″. He decisioned Fitch and Miller. What the hell does height have to do with it? Don’t you think Fitch’s CHIN had a little something to do with the fact it went to a decision. Do your research, GSP has MORE finishes than BJ.
Kos as well.
how about fich?
. . . Ummm, yep, didnt finish Fitch either . . . even though the chance presented itself several times. Yep, Fitch to buddy . . . <—- Loaded.
I don’t know what the point of your theory is, BJ is 5′9″ and GSP has FINISHED plenty guys around that height. Have you noticed there’re very few guys over 5′11″ in the WW division anyhow so you have a MOOT point.
gsp and bj are both finishers. whether or not they do it often is irrelevant. but i don’t see gsp finishing bj in this fight. i thnk bj’s defense is gonna be too strong for gsp. but gsp pace is what’s gonna win him this fight. i am a bj fan so my heart is betting on bj. my mind however is going with gsp split decision. he’ll stay busier like the 1st fight…spend alot of time on top in bj’s sick active guard, not do much damage but will eke out the decision victory.
You have to give it up for Fitch though. He’s got one hell of a chin and took the beating. Not many fighters could take the shots delivered to Fitchs face for 5 rounds…I gotta go with my heart on this one. GSP, probably gonna be a decision. I just bought tickets and I can’t wait.
I think BJ is a way different fighter, as is St. Pierre. BJ is the only fight at 170 IMO, That can stop Georges takedown.
I would not be surprised if GSP had problems bringing Tiago Alves down. Koscheck, who is one of the best wrestlers in mma, could not bring him down. He, Alves, is forgotten in all of this. What happens if he beats the winner of this fight this summer?
Hold on a second, did you guys forget that bj also lost to matt hughes by TKO, in there second fight. GSP in the first fight against Matt he was destroying him until he made a stupid mistake.Anyway GSP just destroyed one of the toughest guys at 170, Fitch could be a 185 fighter.The first time GSP fought BJ it was a close fight and everybody is saying how good BJ is now compared to then but look how amazing GSP is compared to then. GSP beats everybody at there own game.
I like BJ alot but he wont be able to handle the pressure and pace that GSP will set. This fight will go the distance becuase they are so evenly matched but GSP will control the whole fight.
GSP!!!!!!!!!
In the Penn Hughes 2 fight, Penn was destraying Hughes untill he gassed out.
Broke ribs, torn stomach muscles, and tired ass hell, Hughes is lucky and he knows that, ask him or read his book dude, do something, just update your knowledge before you type again. Everyone but you seems to know what would happen if Hughes and BJ squared off again (especially for the way Matt decided to get his TKO) Im sure of all the people BJ wants to fight, the GSP’s, the Lyotto’s, Hughes is wanted most, and will get the worst beating of them all, maybe even a broken limb for what he did, we’ll see im sure.
excuses excuses adam… theyre like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink… quit crying he got beat fair and square, shoulda spent more time in the gym then at dunkin donuts
Check the MRI’s and xrays (im sure you can find them somewhere, they were available a few years ago) no donuts, actual injury, but whatever you say man, Matt slaughtered him from the first bell lol, just like GSP, from the first bell BJ didnt have a chance, he’s outclassed, out of his league . . . HA!! Hella lame with the excuses analogy, BJ has none now huh, thats why he had to hunt your boy down, without BJ this fight wouldnt even be happening, your boy is satisfied with that razor thin W and doesnt care if people think he should fight BJ again to settle it, lame!!!! Or Scared . . .
AdamG: I’ve never seen someone type so many excuses than you. BJ this, injury that, boxing this, submission that, outta-shape this, injury that!! I’d swear if you were’nt 16, you’d be probabaly just around 18, with you’re “hella” excuses analogy. Lame!!!! Or Scared…Get off your computer already, and go watch some more BJ wins in BJJ home videos.
Gsp will be lucky to make the fourth round, with the brutal punishment Penn will unlease on him. If the ref doesn’t stop this one gsp might have to learn how to talk again, oh i mean he might have to learn to take the first time. Gsp pulled that last fight out of his ass, fighting a out of shape unmotivated BJ. If you thought serk took a beating wait til the 31,Bj will once again be licking gsp blood off his gloves with a sweet victory. Gsp won’t win a round, unless it’s in the gay bar after the fight. Who wears bannana hamocks anymore anyway what a flamer.
BJ in the 2sd round by submission. this time he is more prepare with better condition, this would make the difference from the first fight
simple and to the point. But id say 4th round sub victory. Hes not goning to finish George faster than he finished Sean, but he will finish George, just like the last 3 fights, a finisher.
IF BJ makes it to the 4th round hell be too gassed to do anything… defending GSP takedowns in round 1 and 2 will tire him and hell get beat to a pulp rounds 3-5
BJ Penn 13-4-1 (29)
Georges St.Pierre 17-2 Age (27)
GSP has accomplished more wins with a better record at a younger age.
BJ Vs. Matt Hughes 1-1
Georges St.-Pierre Vs. Matt Hughes 2-1
Enough said. But incase thats not enough for you, GSP is a pure athlete he could outlast BJ like 5 times over. GSP only gets better and better everytime he fights. Not taking anything away from BJ, he is a great fighter who has lately matured from his old cocky self. GSP is 10 times better than when they last fought. BJ while better can’t get much better than he already his and has been, the only change that made him any better was him taking opponents seriously. I think GSP by TKO. BJ is only better in BJJ, he is a wizard on the ground, no doubt. GSP is better at everything else, he is the best wrestler in MMA, he has way better cardio, and he can outstrike BJ anyday.
LoL, Joe stevenson 30something and less than 10 losses
Sean Sherk 30something with less than 5 losses
YOU and YOUR math make no sense dude, sorry.
Heres some math for you; GSP punched in the face in GSPENN1= between 25 and 35 strikes from Penn.
Amount of times BJ Penn was punched in the face= 0.
Amount of nights GSP spent in the hospital= 2.
Amount of seconds BJ Penn spent in the hospital= 0.
GSP’sbroken bones= 1 (nose)
BJ’s broken bones . . . LMAO!!! Come on, you have to hit the guy first. My math = correct. YOUR math . . . not so much dude.
dude! did you not even watch the fitch and gsp match?? sure, penn beat sean sherk, but look at the reach advantage and the fact that sherk sucks. st. pierre is the better fighter all the way. get over it. penn wont touch em.
GSP had the reach on Penn and didnt touch him, isnt that right. But yea, im sure the guy that hasnt let an opponent leave the ring (win or lose) without being covered in his own blood in pretty much every fight of his entire career (including if not the worst, George St Pierre) wont even “touch George”, right man, way to be realistic. And whos comparing GSP to Sean Sherk . . .? Just you dude . . . George always has a reach advantage no matter what, thats what happens when you’re a natural 185er and you fight guys that are natural 155ers, you take an advantage into the octagon, something George doesnt often fight without, while BJ will give up to 30 pounds and several inches to anyone that wants a slice, thats the kind of fighter i like, but thats just me.
Penn would challenge Anderson Silva if he thought Dana White would let it happen. BJ is a warrior he don’t care how big you are he just wants to fight.
Here is some math for you Adam.
Georges St Pierre vs. Bj penn
St Pierre: 1-0
penn: 0-1
I know you have trouble seeing things realistically, but this takes the cake. You acutally think BJ hit GSP in the face 25-35 times and GSP never hit BJ in the face once, LMFAO. Here’s a little satistic (the ONLY one that counts) to add to your list, times GSP WON that fight= 1
Times BJ won that fight=ZERO.
Well played = )
Calling Adam G: BJ says, “get off my jock please, I have women for that”. Forget the past man, focus on how both fighters fight now. GSP has significantly improved his striking and defense since his last fight w/ BJ. And yes, BJ has also improved, however, comparing how many times one guy got punched in the face or punched someone else, like Sherk has no relevance for this current fight.
You have to focus on their current skill sets, not who was losing against different fighters who do not possess the same skill sets that GSP will have. They both appear to be at the peak of their games and it will be evenly matched for sure but on pure athleticism, GSP has that one edge over BJ. Speed very well will make the difference, as well as defense and I think GSP will have the edge in that dept. as well.
heres some further math for you Adam…GSP 1-0 vs Penn 0-1 in head to head match-ups…Dont matter if he spent the night in Hospital or the Holiday inn, He got the win…And your math and excuses are extensive.
Bj Faught Matt when he was in his prime. Georges only beat Matt when he was starting to lose it, then again when he didn’t even belong on the same stage as Georges. so i dont think you can compare each fighter by there record against hughes. BJ 3rd RNC or maybe Gogaplata (nearly caught him with it in the 1st fight)
LMAO, Who do you think was the one who made Matt start to lose. You do realize that same washed up hughes you speak of, beat BJ, RIGHT?
Penn vs Matt Serra 1-0
GSP vs Matt Serra 2-1
Ive been reading all these pro GSP posts and it makes me wonder if any of you saw the first BJ GSP fight. BJ beat the hell out of GSP for three rounds and was straight up robbed of the decision. BJ dominated that fight and turned GSPs face into hamburger! If there was ever a fixed fight, that was it! Supposedly GSP got all these points for takedowns where he did absolutley no damage!! When his bogus hand was raised at the end you could’nt even tell who it was through the bloody mask. As far as GSP being so much improved now, did any of you see Matt Serra steamroll him? GSp is one of the most arrogant cocky fighters in the UFC! BJ by 3rd round tko.
What? I’ll grant you the fact that BJ utterly dominated the first round. But what 2nd and 3rd round did you watch. BJ did NOTHING. It shouldn’t have even been a split. When BJ’s trainer at the end of the fight said Of coarse we won the fight, look at his face, now look at BJ’s”. I wanted someone to congratulate him on winning 1 out of 3 rounds. You need to show up for the whole fight, not 1 round.
For the record. I have no clue who’ll win this fight. If BJ has addressed his conditioning it’s gonna be a warr between two of my favorite fighters. If he hasn’t, GSP just needs to weather the storm in the first round and BJ will hand the victory over, just as he did againt him the first time and as he did against Hughes.
Two more for ya . . Amount of times GSP showed that he’d rather hug Penn then trade punches with him= 3-4.
Amount of blood loss (all) from 4 of the 6 holes in GSPs head (too bad ears dont often bleed huh, would have been 6 for 6)= roughly 2.5 pints. Would have been less if GSP could have went a full round without breaking his nose and geting a cut on his forhead, and getting poked/punched/blackened both of his eyes. Its called head movement, tell George to get some so he can go into the 2nd round unscaved and make this thing interesting. . . Whats the point huh, BJ’s never lost a 1st round in his career at 4 of 5 weight classes, and only lost one second round (to George)(barely) while out of shape LoL, its a wash.
And BJ is a champ in two weight classes, in georges weight class LoL, and he became that champ a long time agao dude, as a kid, at like 24, come on!!! Who has accomplished more??? Not to mention that GSP just got his Black belt in BJJ LoLLLL, BJ has been a master 10th degree black belt for over a decade and its validated by his gold medal from the mundials, you know, the most important BJJ comp on the planet . . . ANd he did that as a kid also, at around 21 bro, George didnt even have his yellow belt in 2000, wasnt even a spec on the map in 2000 LoL, i say BJ has accomplished more, 2 belts should say that right, 2 or 1, which number is higher 2 or 1??? Not to mention the mundials, fighting at 4 weight classes etc etc etc . . . But George did beat Matt Serra, pretty tuff to do huh . . .
Who gives a shit about belts? BJ is an insanely awewome grappler, but that black belt at 21 years old (or all 10 degrees of it..which is bullshit by the way) didnt help him when he lost to Pulver, Hughes, or GSP (and a draw to Caol Uno?) BJ lost to Hughes not even 2 years ago, which was his first fight after fighting GSP…so lets not dismiss the Hughes that GSP beat as pathetic. GSP made him look pathetic but thats only because GSP is that much better (Alves is better too). Bj will have to bring more than his jab to win, and all that talk about broken noses and lost blood ( in the first round no less) only further proves why GSP had every reason to lose but still won the last two rounds. What’s going to happen when he soesnt have to deal with getting hit in a broken nose and cut…hell dominate. I still can only see a decision though unless BJ gasses out again.
Come on Adam, you know BJ’s WW belt is a JOKE. What other champion has 2 LOSSES and his ONLY win is getting the belt. I’d put him in the Serra champion catagory. You must think Serra accomplished a lot too, with his UNEARNED title shot. GSP accomplished beating the whole WW division (minus Alves). BJ accomplished beating Hughes to get his belt and then he LOST to Hughes. It doesn’t take much to impress you does it. If you want to say anything possitive about BJ, you should steer clear of the WW division, because the little bit he has accomplished has been negated and then some, 1 win, 2 losses= NEGATIVE accomplishments. All that has to be said about GSP’s accomplishments ,is he has beaten EVERYONE he’s faced. What more can one accomplish.
Oh Gord, BJ’s WLWT belt is a joke now huh . . . Whats that gonna make GSP when BJ takes it back? The biggest joke ever huh, since he lost his belt to the 2 biggest joke WLWT champions of all time, making him the biggest joke of all time, no? We’ll see bro.
AdanG your are an idiot!!!
But i guess all that matters is this one;
Amount of rounds won by GSP = 2
Amount won by Penn = 1.
Ill give you GSP fans that and its actually the only number that matters so it should leave you feeling warm and fuzzy inside . . . til Jan.
holy crap!!! adamG, you’re on a ROLL!
brah, bruddah BJ PENN will toy around with GSP until the third or fourth round, then finishing GSP via submission. this is only my prediction.
BJ all the way!!!!!
gsp beat sean sherk in the second round 8 mins into the fight.
gsp made sean drop down a weight divison bj penn said it himself before his fight with sean when he said he will have enough cardio to finish the fight.
bj penn beat sherk just before the bell at the end of the 3rd round.
GSP WINS over top opponents
fitch,hughes,serra,koscheck bj penn,sean sherk, frank trigg,and karo parisyon.
BJ PENN WINS
sean sherk,hughes, serra (bearly)
ps gsp finished all 3 of these guys
gsp all the way
GSP also lost to two of those guys in that list. GSP will be fighting his biggest challenge, a motivated and focused BJ Penn, who has the time to put the weight on right. In my opinion cardio won’t even play a factor, I think GSP is going to get caught in this fight.
WE should really stop talking about BJ being able to put the weight on in the right way and that 155 is his normal weight…he has stated himself that he hates the cut to 155 since he walks around at like 190 (lets be honest, he was a pudge in the ring after the GSp fitch fight) Theres no reason to make the weight a built in excuse if he loses already , especially when BJ is calling GSP out and already won the 170 belt
Adam G. did gsp beat penn last time they fought? yes he did so who gives a shit about who broke bones and who spent nights in the hospital. i’m betting those nights gsp spent in the hospital were after a win? right? that just goes to show the heart the gsp has that penn doesent. penn can be push to the point in where he will quit which happens to be the thing gsp is best at. gsp will be able to stop penn from takin him down and will beat him in the stand up. as far as you “doing your math” goes look at some of the ppl sherk and stevenson have fought u idiot. everyone gsp have beaten the ufc was either a contender at the time or a top fighter in his weight class. last fight penn had at 170 he gased badly, thats not going to happen to gsp. penn has improved but as much as gsp? not even close lol. i hope penn isent training to hard for this fight cuz its not going to last long. gsp is gonna mop the floor with him.
Bet your screen name on George then with me James. George loses and it changes to something along the lines of BJPENN.COM or BJ’s#1Nuthugger etc, youcan cange mine to whatever you want as well, deal? Im sure your confident with your fighter and everyone on this site knows im confident with mine (check the archives bitch, ive been here for a couple years now newbee so dont call me an idiot) When was it that BJ quit?? Oh yea when he broke his ribs and ripped his stomach muscles in a 2nd round but still came out for the 3rd . . . Oh yea, when he quit LoL. I think you’re referng to when George tapped that mat, twice, once via Matt Serra (WTF!) Are you serious? So George quit 2 times and BJ quit how manytimes . . .0 . .Yep i think 0 dude, sorry. Not even in a Matt Hughes crucifix, still didnt say stop to Big John, thats not quiting, thats heart (and some stupidity) but mostly heart. BJ’s arm could have been on the line instead and he would have let Matt take it home with him, no quiting here buddy, you should check BJ’s archives as well kid, learn something about him before you trade opinions aabout him. BJ BJ BJ!!!
All loses via decision (besides Hughes2 which i just explained above, no quiting, tapping, KO’s etc) George loves to tap out!
BJ PENN AND REGAN PENN (BJJ)
http://www.bjpenn.com/video/video/show?id=2022293:Video:371940
BJ PENN Discuses GSP Gameplan With Trainers . . .
http://www.bjpenn.com/video/video/show?id=2022293:Video:370853
GSP Talks Fitch, Penn, Silva, and P4P List . . .
http://www.bjpenn.com/video/video/show?id=2022293%3AVideo%3A308155
How in the hell to Karo and Manny get so many fights? And why in the hell is Karo on the main card??? Fitch vs. Sanchez #2 would be nice to see!
I’d rather see Fitch beat up Karo
Holy shite (adam G) you know you stuff on bj penn!!!! I don’t agree at all with your logic and if ufc 58 was a 5 rounder it wouldn’t have been a spit decision it would have been a majority in gsp’s favor. I agree penn is hard to stop by ko or submission but I still see gsp winning a majority decision or winning by tko in the later rounds come ufc 94. I would laugh my ass off if an exhausted penn got subbed in the later rounds, it would make my night, there would be a suicide alert going out for all the penn nut huggers out there LOL. I was really surprised when gsp subbed hughes, penn is better than gsp on his back but I feel right now thats his only advantage over him, gsp will be in top position for most of this fight other than exchanges on there feet where I feel gsp will dominate if he can avoid the eye poke :P, I wasn’t impressed with penn in his fight with sherk at all.
Gsp will win this fight, just my opinion but nobody really knows, which is why MMA is such a great sport, there are upsets on every ufc event too many to count.
Yea people talk alot about who GSP has faced lately and who Penn has faced as of late and all i have to say to that is that he didnt want to face these chumps, joe, sean, jans, but what can he do. He can call out George since the day after thir first fight and hope fate takes care of the rest, hes done what Dana has asked (kind of, but for BJ he has done enough) SO its not like he was thinking man these guys are some tuff comp, hes thinking this is what i have to do to get back to George and get MY belt back, looking to fight the best but stuck fighting the lesser, nothing he can do but what hes done and thanks to BJ and BJ ONLY we get to see the rematch. And because hes BEYOND dedicated to this fight especially, things should be interesting for more than the first 3 minutes. Remember, George did win, but barely, hes gotten better all around, but BJ didnt really need to improve, just be in shape and focused so he can do what he does already but for much longer = )
And i think he was waiting for another take down attempt from Sean for a large part of the fight, ready to defend it. But once he settled in he went for the clinch, a take down of his own attempted, then the combo a la the kneecap finish, i think he really wanted to make sure he won those opening rounds and a take down can sway judges ;P as history has shown. Caution is all, respecting another mans take down abilitys is somthing BJ takes to heart, especially after GSP1.
And you’re wrong my friend, if UFC 58 was a 5 rounder, George would have finished BJ, period. Good thing thats in the past and its an entirely new day, an entirely new BJ (mind and body). But im sure that George has written BJ name on a rock and tossed it into a river like he did for Serra so you GSP fans shouldnt have much to worry about = ) (And stop calling us nuthuggers dude, i refer to you (GSP fans) as just that, fans) Argue your points, when youve run out of arguements, shut up (not you, in general), listen, read, research, do something, but dont resort to that shit, i can see the sweat on your brow when you do, nervous? I would be nervous if i started to see the light that you guys do in George, id be really nervous. . . Name calling might be necessary . . . If i were nervous, friend = )
Dude you deff have a man crush on bj!!!
Its gonna be a great fight…Neither will dominate because there both very evenly matched…
You think too highly of bj and underestimate gsp way too much.
just watch what happens when they fight it will be a war but gsp will control penn from top position most of the fight and win a decision… I dont see either of them finishing this fight..
A guy like you probably doesnt even read what i write except the opening lines, Im ready to watch bro, been ready for almost 3 years now, so has my fighter (BJ). I give tons of credit to George dude, you really dont even read what people write huh, just cut and paste one time that i underestimate George . . . And you can never think too highly of BJ Penn, best fighter in the world. But since you’re soooo sensitive, BJ BJ BJ!!! George George George!!! Guess we cant have favs anymore, fans should be distributed evenly, dude, stand up for your fighter instead of atacking me, well, it is George so i see where you’re coming from, not having anything to say and all.
Im actually not a big gsp fan but i just dont think bj is gonna beat him… george has improved alot since there last fight which he won and all bj has done is finally get in shape.. So i think an improved gsp beats a in shape bj.
Not stops him cause bj is crazy but he will control him for most of the fight and he might even win the stand up exchanges, not realy sure about that last part though.
And i looked again and i still dont see much credit for gsp just alot of bj penn love. which is cool man he’s your guy, but dont act like your not biased… I know i am with my fav fighters.
But whats the deal with george winning gets him a shot at the spider and if bj wins he cant fight silva???
And i still think you have a man crush on bj!! lol
Yeah man I think both Penn and GSP fans can agree that is a BS double standard.
He’ll fight ‘em, you’ll see.
I think Dana said that because he would expect BJ to defend both belts at least once before going after the spider.
No doubt, he wouldnt fight Ando for years.
GSP by TKO in the 4th! Penn will come in with a lot better cardio then in their first meeting, but that will be the only difference. Meanwhile GSP will show up with improved strikes, improved wrestling, improved GnP and the knowledge that he can endure a 5 round war with the toughest WWs in the world. I see things being very close for the first 2 rounds and then Penn fades in the 3rd and gets mauled in the 4th.
BJ Penn Training (Plyometrics) (10/21/08)
http://www.bjpenn.com/video/video/show?id=2022293:Video:388146
BJ Penn and Charuto (BJJ)
http://www.bjpenn.com/video/video/show?id=2022293%3AVideo%3A383206
I know going to say who is going to win this fight. But i going to say who has the advantage in this fight and its gsp. Gsp is bigger stronger faster and has a longer reach. I say gsp has the advantage because he can dictate where the fight goes. Is bj penn going to take gsp down lol hell no. If gsp wants the fight on the ground he can take it to the ground. If he wants to stand and bang he can bang. And bjpenn its hard to submit a guy from your back so you better be practicin reversals. Is gsp going to get caught in a guillotine triangle or armbar hell no he got a black belt in jits sorry.
Yall people that Say Gsp is gonna lose must be out of your mind Bj is not on another level He is on a light weight level Where Gsp is on any level he wants to be on… Have we forgotten that Bj penn Has had fights with sean sherk and Jens pulver When gsp has faced fighters like Jon fitch and future hall of Famer Matt hughes And Josh Koscheck and ohh Bj penn Even though it went to a spilt decison he still has a win And trust me If gsp Is on his Game He Is Ten times better then bj penn…. Gsp Will Win and then He will fight Alves which I think would be a better fight then him and Bj
LMAO!
Even Jon Fitch would beat BJ. GSP will dominate this fight and most likely end it in the first. BJ is te best Light weight no doubt. Key word there is LIGHTWEIGHT.
I do not agree with c-war.
How would Jon fitch beat BJ, on his feet, on the ground, you tell me. Wherever that fight went, Bj could end it.
He wouldnt, dont even waste your time with such invalid comments dude, save your energy, something BJ has learned to do very well (Doesnt run to the ring, no more slapping his own face, no more being overexcited while he still has 10 minutes for the other guy to even enter the ring, saves it all for the fight) Just let BJ do our talking for us. (But it is nice to see that even the GSP fans are looking past George like us Penn fans are, whats next right, always exciting with BJ Penn, ya never know = ) But Georges accented attitude and never give the fans too much mantality is chill to.
Hey adam gay you wanna suck bjs wang or what? Bj is a joke at 170 fitch koscheck, alves, sanchez, would all beat Bj. He doesnt deserve a title shot at all, but whatever when st-pierre destroys him hopefully it will shut up you hawaiians that suck at every sport for a while.
Retard.
toally agree with Nick on his one man, BJ can’t fight his way out of a paperbag against some of these guys in this division stay in 155 where he can actually beat someone
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! koscheck and sanchez would beat bj? have you been smokin crack? alves would put up a bit of a fight but bj would sub him in 2nd round if not the 1st and if fitch was to beat bj its coz he laid on him for 3 rounds… thank you nick for posting that comment it made me laugh.
GSP
&
KARO
they will win
all the people that are going to bet against GSP are retarded..just looks at the facts..yea sure you can say that the first fight between them could have gone to BJ but GSP definatly did not lose that fight..its definite that BJ took round one..no questions asked on that..but in rounds two and three GSP landed more takedowns and got alot of points off his ground and pound..i think that this fight coming up in january will be the same way..there is no way that BJ is going to take george down..anyone that is gonna go against that should be in a mental hospital..just look at the top notch wrestlers that GSP has beat..you can make the argument that both fighters have excellent standup..and you can probably make the argument that BJ’s jujitsu might be a little better than GSP..but like tito ortiz said jujitsu gets thrown out the window when your getting elbowed and punched in the face..if GSP can utilize his strengh advantage and be on top of BJ then BJ has no chance at all against george..i cant really see this fight being stoped by a TKO..the only way i can see this fight being stoped is if BJ gets gassed like the last time they fought..but other than that i see a clear unanimous decision for GSP
Hey chicken choke hazard Bj has nothing at 170, it almost took him 2 rounds to beat pulver and pulver is terrible. Joe lozaun ko’d him. Bj has a 1 in 50 shot at best against gsp. Not even top 5 at 170, you will see.
JON JONES sucks…Stephan Bonnar is gunna rip him apart…i dont see where the hype is for jon jones…his first fight was so sloppy…he just got lucky…he dosent deserve to fight someone like stephan bonnar…but he just came from an injury so i guess its time for a comeback
How about Diaz vs. Roger Huerta?
I’m sorry for all those who think BJ will win. He will only win by a lucky shot that rocks GSP.
GSP is king at 170. He is bigger, faster, stronger and 10x better than when they first fought. BJ takes GSP to his back and even choke him out? HAHAHAHA… sorry, but GSP has amazing take down defence and is usually on top. GSP has not spend more than 5 minutes total on his back.
I dun even think anyone can touch Jon Fitch, let alone hang with GSP? I dun care if it’s UNAM decision or TKO or KO. GSP wins. Like I said, BJ by knock out and don’t even expect to see GSP get dominated by a 155er moving up. GSP will weight about 190 in this fight.
GSP is the best in the world at 170 BJ Penn could very well be the best in the world at 155 but thats 155 not 170 I think GSP will get victory no later than the 3rd round.The fight that should be happening in the near future is GSP vs Anderson Silva now I will admitt I believe Silva would win but it would be a good fight.
adam and the BJ nutthuggers.. heres fact. easy break down of the fight:
wrestling- edge to GSP
stand up- GSP
cardio- GSP
athletism- GSP
game plan and strategy- GSP
strength- GSP
Speed- GSP
baby face- BJ
more body fat %- BJ
cockyness- BJ
illegal strikes- BJ
simple
wierd, no BJJ on your list??? And all of BJ’s plus’s are jokes, yep, you sound like a real credible source for info man. T-O-O-L!!!
And all that for GSP (lets say that list was valid) and BJ will still whoop that *ss!!! LoL!!!!
point being nuthugger wait til the fight happens and see… i find this entire bj group a bunch of hopefuls… that list was meant to be a joke with some trust… BJ is a great fighter but lets put things into perpective… 9 out 10 times they fight GSP will win… scenario in hand liek the first fight… GSP got rocked (eye poke and broken nose) and he did what he NEEDED to do to win the fight… mma people… he did what he needed to do to win and thats whys he is going to win again… he may stand and who knows gets rockedbut like he showed he survived BJ the frist time. oh what about penns cardio hes new and improved? whatever… i dont care… at LW hes shown it… regardless GSP is gonig to come in with a game plan.. if something happens he will do what he needs to, to win. im a huge GSP nuthugger cause hes legit
Was he lagit against Serra? Anyways, ill bet my screen nameon BJ and if he loses you can change it to whatever you want, care to bet the same on George?
*legit
I think that BJ penn will win i think that GSP will try and take him down like last time and when that doesnt work he will have no option but to strike with bj penn and he will probably get his nose broke just like last time. LOL go the prodigy he will win for sure unless its a lucky punch but i seriously doubt it for sure bj all the way first person with 2 title at once in the UFC for sure cant wait. And if Norm if u ever read this try adding me on myspace its nibrack11 from our team just try to message me back on myspace or something i want to talk to you like old times.
ill bet my left nut on GSP and my screen name… well maybe just my screen name
nice, so its a deal. . . . Not my nuts though, BJ’s good, but he aint that good = ) and neither is George.
not left nut worthy… no way in hell… good luck
in all honesty it shoudl be a great fight
man, i dont think bj could even beat jon fitch , let alone st pierre. GSP is going to kill him. you guys points are no longer vaild because both have grown as fighters. i think gsp has just grown more. RIP bj.
ok so we wont talk about this fight anymore since our points arent valid, no body talk!~!!! Shut up!
at least we now agree on something adam
discussion is finished.. were in valid..
the other part i do agree with tho that i think BJ woudl ahve problems with fitch as well
BJ is VERY overrated at welterweight, and in general… but BJ is still an amazing fighter, at LIGHTWEIGHT… I think GSP is a bit overrated too, but he’s a much better fighter at welterweight than BJ… Pierre by tko in the third.
wow. i dont know how you could say GSP is overated. he has destoryed just about every person he has fough in the UFC other than BJ Penn. but i think GSP now is way better than BJ now. BJ’s stand up is to slow for GSP. and GSP has a much better kick than BJ penn. any attempt made by BJ to even try and kick GSP will end up with BJ on his back. i just dont see any game plan that BJ Penn can bring to the table to be GSP right now.
GSP is not overated at all. if anything he is still underated by people.
OHHH MAN FITCH!!!
I want Fitch to fight Jake Shields!!!! Jake submitted him in a jujitsu tourny, but MMA is alot different and think fith will crack him in the face over and over and over lol, GO FITCH GO
just like GSP crack fitch in the face over and over lol.. gotta love fitch tho after getting right back up everytime he was rocked.
That is going to be an awesome card, i think Nate Diaz should fight Roger Huerta in that fight since Clay Guida got hurt that would be the lightweight battle of the century right there and that match up between Parisyan & Dong Hyun Kim would be interesting but i think they should of paired him and Fitch up instead that would be a welterweight superbattle right there.
How bout a Fitch and Thiago rematch? That would be great.
This is my take on it.
athleticism gsp
leg kicks gsp
hands equal maybe penn in the pocket
bjj penn
flexability penn
take downs gsp
cardio gsp
strength gsp
takedown defense equal
penn is extremely hard to submit and the only way I see gsp submitting him is if penn gets rocked hard and was out of it. I see either gsp winning a majority decision, or a late tko. Penn I really can’t see getting the decision I think he would have to catch gsp with either a punch or a submission, in my opinion the odds favor gsp but this is mma anything can happen regardless of the most rational arguments one can make up. Betting anything substantial is foolish, both these guys are top fighters, very talented but we’ll see come january 31, can’t wait.
Like gsp said himself he better bring his A game or else its going to be a bad night for him. No two fights are the same as we’ve seen with hughes/gsp 1,2, and 3. Also serra/gsp 1 and 2. Who knows who learns the most from the mistakes they made last time if they fought 10 time I THINK gsp would win more times but who really knows unless they did, ufc 94 will answer a lot of questions, something fans have been waiting for almost 3 years now. I respect most bloggers opinions on this site but most seen blatantly biased towards one or the other and exaggerate in favor of there favorite, its very hard to be objective with your favorite fighter, mine happens to be gsp, but I also know he could lose. Someone could get hurt, sprain something,eye poke, quick ko, gas too quickly, zig instead of zag like matt serra said and get ko’d like he did to gsp and got tko’d himself from shonie carter. Who would have thought cro cop would have gotten head kicked and ko’d by gonzaga or gsp kto’d in under 4 minutes by serra(his first tko in mma), or rashad ko chuck liddel? Shit happens in this sport, I hope gsp wins but wouldn’t be overly surprised if penn catchs him in a sub or tko’s him these guys to me are a close match.
GSP tapped, no tko, maybe on officail paperwork, but you can see him tap dude, he’s tapped twice, and against Matt Hughes he didnt even let Matt complete the arm bar before he was reaching for the mat to tap, wheres the counter!! Im bias cause BJ is better and George has been living off that win for 3 years now, us BJ fans want it back and want things correct for historys sake, and we wnat that shiny little ‘ole strap thingy, ya know what im talking about, that bling blingy thingy bolted to Georges hips, we’re coming with wrenches and screwdrivers to get whats ours.
It’s WELDED on, the wrenches in BJ’s tool box won’t be enough. BJ’s cutting torch will be out of GAS before he gets a chance to spark it up. I like your analogy about the tools, because BJ just DOESN’T have the tools to take GSP’s belt.
George doesnt have the tools.
Shit there are alot of GSP haters out there……….
I say screw you all i’m glad the belt is in canada where it is going to stay for a long long time… BJ has just improved his cardio and his jui juitsu game is old. GSP on the other hand is inovative other then bj’s dextarity he aint going to do shit against GSP because George will never be taken down against BJ…Plane and simple after George kicks BJ’S fucking ass all the way back to Hawaii you wont see the bitch again.
Matt Hghes may be overrated bujt the last time BJ stepped in at 170 he lost where GSP killed the guy… i Take George in the second tko
who hates GSP?
GSP will win this fight BJ Penn is a good fighter but he is not ready for the best at 170 and I’m not just talking about GSP.BJ Penn I’m sure is not going to like the results win GSP arm is raised.
BJ BJ BJ!!!
adam .. heres fact. easy break down of the fight:
wrestling- edge to GSP
stand up- GSP
cardio- GSP
athletism- GSP
game plan and strategy- GSP
strength- GSP
Speed- GSP
baby face- BJ
more body fat %- BJ
cockyness- BJ
illegal strikes- BJ
simple
Adam just wont go away so I reposted the funniest comment on here so he can get upset. Keep fighting the good fight Adam it sure is entertaining. The illegal strikes part is the funniest. WAR GSP!!!
I agree, it is the funniest.
I’m sick of all the talk, I just want to see this fight already.
BJ will win this one i guaranteed! it will be 1-1 & they will have a 3rd fight in the future..
MARK THIS WORDS!
man bj will be blown out im sorry. GSP is at the top of his game. a real fight would have been anderson silva vs gsp notbj penn, 3rd tko gsp watch if you think im wrong. hes to skilled now and bj is just not ready for someone the size of gsp. last time they faught the were evenly matched and you guys arfe looking at that. this time there not even close! sorry gsp from good ol canada 3 rd tko
honestly cmon
I hope your predictions are better than your grammar mad_drummer because if not your boy will lose LOL.
His predictions ARE better than his grammer.
UFC 100:
Georges St. Pierre vs Frank Shamrock
Hey,give the guy a break.He’s probably not from this country.He’s just typing the way he talks & probably backing up his fellow country men. Bj’s still gonna prove all you haters wrong just like before! So don’t get your pantie’s in a bunch if a guy can’t talk right.
I’d like to see GSP type something in on a blog! You can barely understand him enough already,let-alone trying to spell something…Now that would be funny! I always said GSP sounded like a robot when he talked.
GSP fans better hope that his fighting skills are better than his grammer!….Doesn’t really matter! Bj’s fists are gonna have an affect on GSP’s speech at the end of the night anyway.
BJ is just too much of a loose cannon half the time he doesnt know what hes going to do case in point his stint as coach on TUF and that is just one of many examples of his unpredictability, this can be a good thing against less skillfull rivals (hughes,pulver etc,etc)but when up against someone with the skills of GSP (unrivalled takedown defence, his striking is second to non, excellent BJJ and top conditioning),his unpredictability may be his downfall cos GSP will go in with a plan (probably to keep bj at range, pick him off from the outside using his superior reach and gas him out with his superior conditioning and take it to a decision win) and he’ll stick to it, having said that if bj does manage to get in close then rush may be fucked
BJ WILL get in close enough, has he ever not, even against George, has he ever not . . .
How about Jon Fitch vs Dustin Hazelett??
I seen the promo for st.pierre and BJ and St. Pierre brought up a really interesting fact. Besides the first round of the first BJ fight, he has never lost a round in the UFC in a match that he won. The only rounds he has lost besides the BJ round one, r obviously the 2 against serra and hughes.(amrbar and KO). Now I havent looked it up but he did say that in the pre fight press conference. BJ is my favorite fighter and i am rooting for him but I cant see him winning a decision. He has to take GSP out. If this fight goes 5 rounds GSP has way more in the tank then BJ. I know BJ is in way better shape but the pace that GSP will set will take its toll on anybody, especially BJ. Even great conditioned athletes get tired in the 4th and 5th. And there is no way BJ will win all of the first 3 rounds.
I know he will win the first 2 for sure, including against George, BJ has never lost a 1st round. And including George and Lyotto Machida, BJ has only lost two 2nd rounds. When he was out of shape. And its not like Georges cardio has improved or something, its still the same, good, but still the same, BJ has seen it all before. He stood up from George plenty off his takedowns while tired, im sure he’ll be fine for atlest two rounds if not 3 and then just be smart and keep the last 2 rounds close, defend the takedowns and play defense, get all Lyotto on GSP in there for 10 minutes. BJ wont be tired from 3 rounds of standup, he’ll definitly have the energy to play keep away and score when needed, goat George into chasing him in need of points, in need oif a sub or KO. Speeking of KO’s, Matt Serra did not KO George, he made George TAP (watch the replay), like Hughes, George is a tapping machine, scarred to be KO’d or seriously injured, he didnt even wait for Hughes to secure the arm bar or try to defend it, he just tapped. I know George will have to crucifix BJ and deliver around 50 to his face to get anywhere serious to stopping the fight, and even then it wont be stopped by BJ, hes not scarred to go out or risk a limb to stay in a fight. BJ BJ BJ BJ!!!
BJ lost the first round against Jens at UFC 35.
I second that spenc
EVEN GEORGE CALLS THE “EYE POKE” A “JAB” = VIDEO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV4yGT_2-Rk
GSP eating CAT with BJ PENN in Hawaii = ) ENJOY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpedveNR-jI
Ya he does say jab but he also says thumb too((adamg))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1js0V_fG0&NR=1
I think you have a serious man crush on penn or really hate gsp, I don’t think your being very objective. When a ref stops a fight because a fighter is getting punched its called a tko whether he taps or not. Letting someone seriously injure you, break your arm give you brain damage is just plain stupid, who’s the smarter fighter? And you know penn will win the first two for sure, what are you a prophet? can you tell me the next lottery numbers cause I could sure use the cash. The fight could go either way, nothing would surprise me too much in this fight, penn isn’t super human and didn’t even impress me that much with his fight with sherk he never did a think gsp wouldn’t have done, I actually think guys would finish him quicker, like he did the first time.
I think gsp will win and hope he does but I have no clue what will really happen just like penn said himself at one of the conferences when asked how it will start or end its funny you seem to know more than penn himself.
And ((adamg)) his name is georges not george gets it right.
All i know is that until he got to the UFC his name was George St Pierre, go back and look at his fight with Sprat for exapmle on youtube dude, GEORGE. Enough of this Hollywood BS, just cause the guy has to pronounce his own name with an S cause he cant pronounce it right doesnt mean that im going to call him that, sorry man, nothing special, just George LoL. I think im just going to call him “Spandy” from now on anyway so no use posting back, not interested, busy with my man crush on BJ. BJ BJ BJ!!!
((adamg)) IMO your ridiculously over confident in penns ability to beat gsp. I KNOW this fight could go either way. I actually think gsp and penn both are over confident in there abilities and I’m a big gsp fan and think penn is very talented but both are a little over rated. Fedor and anderson silva IMO are very humble and seem under confident IMO who unlike gsp and penn don’t seem to be convinced of the hype surrounding them. I think maybe its there age there both older than these guys. Bottom line gsp and penn are tough as hell, very good fighters, it would surprise the hell out of me if one dominated the other.
You have a lot of “IMO” . . . I like Georges, but im arguing with die hard GSP fans here dude, not people that would enjoy to blow with the wind, which ever way it goes, you’re satisfied huh. . . So lets make the difference know, “Nathan” is a fight fan, “( (AdamG) )” is a BJ Penn fan. Problem solved dude, and judging by the amount of times you reply to my posts id say you have a man crush on me kid. BJ BJ BJ!!!
LOL Sorry bud there’s no man crush here, I just have trouble with people who seem biased to the point that there unrealistic. I would have to say “gord” is the greatest gsp defender on this site but actually has some pretty convincing arguments, he seems to care more about facts than goes by emotion like you ((adamg)). I guess we’ve a like in the way that we both feel we have to get the last word in LOL. I myself am more interested in facts or the truth and am a gsp fan more than a penn fan but I don’t dislike penn. Who do I think will win….gsp who do I want to win…gsp there you have it, and for the record this is my last post on this blog, I’m sure you’ll comment again and I won’t reply, audios.
O.K I lied I’ll make one more quick comment. Part of the reason I want gsp to win is if penn wins it would suck for both divisions. Tying them up for a long time, which isn’t fair to the top contenders of either division. I would kind of feel sorry for penn if he loses because now he would be 2-0 but he did call out this fight so in a way he would deserve it. Kenny flo deserves a shot at him and alves deserves a shot at gsp, period hope gsp sends penn back to the light weight division where he belongs and will do well.
so much for not replying LoL, just did since you did bro, we’ll see on fight day. BJ BJ BJ!!!
GSP is gonna take BJ into deep waters, i.e rounds 4 and 5 and then penn’s gonna be standing there with his hands in his pockets ala penn vs hughes II, and gsp is then going to have his way with him. BJ will be lying on the canvas asleep after round 3 is over.
LoL = )
Anyone else unsatisfied with the overall card? I love GSP/Penn, and that’s enough to have me tuning in come Jan. 31st. And I can’t wait to see Machida in the Octagon again. But beyond that, I’m not excited about the remaining fights at all. This is supposed to be a big opportunity for the UFC, to really put on a great show over Super Bowl weekend. They better have another big fight planned for this card or it will be a missed opportunity.
That said, GSP vs. Penn II is epic. Can’t wait to GSP wins and then sets his sights on Anderson Silva.
#1 this card isnt complete yet even by rumors standards cause here at MANIA there are only 8 fights listed (only 3 at the UFC website are official), #2 Like you said, the main event alone is well worth your rent money but besdies that Lyotto is fighting a very explosive and talented and unddefeated opponent in Thigo Silva (dont count your eggs yet), #3 John Fitch fighting anyone aint bad, #4 Karo never dissapoints (and especially against “Stun Gun”) “Gun” is like an asian GSP that utilizes his elbows on the ground better (Just watch his fight with Jason Tan, a mess!)(Although i do wish Fitch was fighting Stun Gun and Karo was fighting Gono but all 4 are decent anyway you mix ‘em), #5 Bonnar delivered one of the most amazing fights in UFC history with Forest and always has his heart on display regardless of his opponents lack luster star power, #6 Nate Diaz could be fighting in a major battle at 155, lets say he is fighting Roger Huerta, how would you like that? #7 The majority of this card is fiction right now so all but the confirmed bouts could not even happen, #8 BJ Penn, #9 Georges St-Pierre, AND last but not least, #10 The highly coveted and most repected, UFC Welterweight Championship. (Not to mention the chances that Big John might be back in the octagon by Jan and be refing this main event and all the history to be made regardless of which side the coin lands on for these two champions . . . You tell me, worth it now?
*One “d” in undefeated and i ment “Thi”A”go” (forgot the A)
I would have to agree that the addition of lets say . . .Kieth Jardine Vs Chuck Liddel 2 would be nice and welcome.
i would like to see this one too and if forrest was to lose in december iv been wanting to see that for ages too, forrest vs chuck
Hmm, They are putting on huge fight on this card and acouple that are good enought to make it worth the buy, I would like to see more cards like ufc 92 there is a deep talent pool in the ufc, it would be nice to see.
Roger Huerta didn’t look all that good in his last fight, he was trying to throw that superman punch like every 30 seconds, i would like to see him fight that punk Nate Diaz!
Huerta lost because he trained to FIGHT Kenny , and did’nt build a stong statagy as Kenny did .
The winner of GSP vs BJ should fight ANDERSON to see who is legit #1 pound fer pound!!! split the weight at 177 pound for the BEST of da BEST!!!! theres a fight
Ya right.
I think we might agree on this one nate LoL, BJ would have sooo many fights before he would ever (if ever at all) get into the cage with Ando. GSP, Flo, Alves, now Diegos in the LTWT division and sure to make a splash, Sherk rematch, maybe a Fitch or Swick fight, GSP3, Hughes3, the list goes on and on with several rematch option possible. LoL, Ando would probably be in 2013 or later (if ever at all). With that said, BJ BJ BJ!!!
Not to mention Machida as the last L to avenge.
AdamG I like BJ too , as well as GSP. But I dont think BJ has much of a chance in this fight, I think it will be competitive for the first couple of rounds but then gsp will start to take over and maybe stop bj or at least win a clear ud. All I want to know is if bj clearly loses are you going to admit that he just can’t beat GSP or are you going to make excuses about bj losing
I call it like i see it, about the first fight i think GSP won 12 minutes of that fight, about the 2nd fight, we’ll see. You cant say that BJ wasnt tired (because of GSP, congrats) but, he was tired and he wont be this time IMO, therefore the pace BJ set in the first round and the damage caused in that round will just continue for a longer period of time now. I think this because even though GSP won the fight, he never even came close to stopping the fight, if it had a 4th round maybe. BJ always has his “KILL!” face on, til either he loses, or the bell rings. He even attempted a last ditch sub attempt (when he was exhausted at 4:40 of the 3rd round) and even though he probably knew it wouldnt land he at least attempted it. Thats my kind of fighter, ill still like him more than Georges for that reason alone, hes ballsy! And NO excuses from you guys about some “eye poke” B.S. (JAB I SAY!)
AFTER FITCH FIGHT: Im more confident than ever in BJ winning now because of how GSP looked in this fight. It was an amzing performence for GSP against Fitch, but GSP wasnt able to land take downs after the first round as he normally does, he looks extramely flat footed recently for him ( added muscle probably the cause), much stiffer, and too be honest a little slower but seemed to be ok with it, he would pick his shots carefully and they would land. Fitch just wouldnt stop! LOL! But BJ will be extremely fast, enough energy for at least 3 rounds or at the very least 2 (but thats crap, i say 4, at the least, realisitcly, 7, with 3-4 of those dominated by standup action) George could easily go 12 rounds with 5-6- of them being domintated stand up. But standup agaisnt each other, we saw what happened when they stood and BJ was fresh last time so yea.
PREDICTION: BJ in the opening seconds of the 4th working from his back, on Georges first successful take down attempt of the fight, sweeps, gets back, body lock, GnP while having back, sub or into the 5th with Georges being really worked over like Gomi/stevenson were from that position and BJ does the same from a GSP takedown to start the 5th but finishes GSP with a RNC TAPOUT with just minutes left in the fight. MEDICS! BJ BJ BJ!!!
And from the first fight, that “fresh” BJ, would get his *ss kicked hardcore by the new “fresh” BJ. 5xascrazy!!
By fresh do you mean the not fat BJ?
you guys are talking out of your butts but it does relieve my boredom
gsp vs penn 2
stanging and trading punches with sherk is one thing but being thrown around on the ground bj’s cardio will quickly drain out
This is quietly becoming a better card then the one on December 27th.
i think its going to be a no contest after throws a flying head kick and and bj throws an overhand right in which they will both connect and be ko’d instantly, leaving gsp paralyzed and bj a retard
Why is Chris Wilson fighting at 155? are you crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bj is goin 2 kill him end of story
are you kidding me karo parisian is on the main card and jon fitch isnt wow thats lame karo is such a douch bag and shouldnt be on the main card hes such a joke he thinks hes good but hes shit, like common fitch has a 5 round war with gsp and his next fight he isnt on the main card when karo gets knocked the F out and he is that is pretty a pretty shitty deal ” karo should be kicked in the nuts”
thats so crazy, i looked at the card and i was scrolling down to say just about the exact same thing u said here. Karo fucking SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant believe Karo is on the main card either. but i dont think we will have to worry about seeing him fight. Just like he did against yoshida karo will problly pull a bernia right before/after weigh ins and puss out again.
Now this is a decent all around ppv. Good show.
I just want to add my 2 cents: Previous fights/performances/opponets are poor indication on the current ability of a fighter.
From my view, my money’s on GSP. He his naturally bigger, stronger, faster, and more explosive. He spent time in Brazil recently improving his BJJ. GSP is an athlete that is constantly evolving and that is the key to success in the ring. BJ, on the other hand is more focused and is probably in the best shape of his life. He is a gifted martial artist no doubt but I don’t see him evolving the same way GSP is.
i don’t understand… if bj wins he will become welterweight champion as well as lightweight. but what if gsp wins? the fight is in his weightclass so its just a title defence? they should have met at 175lbs for a winner takes both belts fight. anyone agree?
that doesn’t make any sense. If you meant 155 instead of 175 there is no way in hell GSP could make 155.
I agree Boston. GSP is a true athlete which will make the difference.
Yeah bj’s are awesome. bj! bj! bj! wooo!!
Doesn’t matter who wins, Alves is taking the strap.
It will be an awesome fight though.
Fitch is on the undercard instead of Karo?
Alrighty then.
If you have ever watched GSP you will understand his commitment towards fitness. He will outlast BJ physically until Penns hands become heavy and begin to lower his guard. Just because some of GSP’s fights have not made it to the 4th or 5th does not mean he is not prepared to go the distance.
How funny !!!! GSP is a girl. He will reveal this on January 31st as BJ Penn gives him 10″ of foot in his ass !!!! Boss, that was some funny shit !!
The only possible way BJ Penn has to win this fight is if he catchs Georges with a big shot. If that doesn’t happen then gsp will control the fight from the first round to the last round.
Moving up in weight class will definitely make BJ a bit slower. I just hope his conditioniong is top notch cuz this fight can go 5 rounds- but I doubt it. GSP’s hip movement is extremely quick and his athleticism is superior as mentioned in a Jon Fitch post fight interview, but BJ is a master at submitting opponents in any position cuz he can maneuver his friggin’ body like a pretzel. The only way GSP will lose this fight is if he receives an unexpected punch like the Matt Serra loss. I don’t believe BJ will be able to submit him. If GSP gets him on the ground repeatedly, it will be like a replay of the Jon Fitch fight. BJ Penn has one of the best take down defenses in MMA, but GSP’s take down defence is also at the top. I believe George will win this one again cuz he is much more stronger, faster, and will have way better cardio than BJ.
KS- you’re not a very astute fan of the game I see. Yeah, Alves is tough, but his striking isn’t going to carry him through the deep water against GSP or Penn. I think anyone who understands these two fighters picks GSP although it’s not a stretch to say Penn could pull this off. If he does, it’ll need to be some time in the first three rounds because if it goes longer, I see GSP by UD. Alves, on the other hand, is in for it. GSP will take him down, punish him and probably submit or (T)KO him. Sorry Alves, but you’re too one-dimensional to last too long with guys like Fitch, GSP, etc. Yes, he looked good against Kos, but then again Koscheck thought he could hang on the feet when he clearly should have looked for the take down much earlier and before he’d taken some big shots.
PENN COULDNT BEAT GSP EVEN AFTER BLINDING HIM IN ONE EYE FOR THE ENTIRE FIGHT! Lmfaomfers! BABY JAY WILL NOT EVER BEAT GSP WHEN HE SEES OUTTA BOTH EYES CHILDREN! GSP P4P CHAMPION!
Here is my analysis for UFC 94.
On the main event, there are obviously many outcomes to this fight. IMO, GSP’s only way to win is by decision. I don’t understand why everyone is saying he will GNP Penn, when Penn has never been finished except by Hughes capitalizing on an injury. GSP has never taken someone down and proceeded to stop them with strikes for a classic GNP stoppage. You can make the argument with the Sherk fight, and with the Serra fight, but I don’t think the Serra fight was really what you would call ground n pound. I mean, technically it was, but not like you see other people do. Thiago Silva/ Mendes was GNP, Hughes Penn 2 GNP, Kos/Lytle GNP, Kenny Florian GNP. Those fights/guys are all what I consider GNP. GSP does a very good job of mixing everything together, and he cannot be labeled a stand up guy, jits guy, or a wrestler. He is a MMArtist. But he will not finish Penn in this fight, IF he evens wins this fight.
I am a big fan of both, but I thought BJ won the 1st fight, and I think he will win this as well. I have 2 theories for the outcome of the fight. My initial thought was Penn 4th round rear naked choke submission. That was my gut instinct, especially after someone mentioned that he wont finish GSP faster than he finished Sherk. I have revised my first prediction and will now go with a TKO due to Doctor stoppage, or corner stoppage at the end of round 3. I don’t think Gsp will be able to do much with his takedowns, and I think Bj will get the better of the stand up as well, busting up GSP’s face worse than their first time and worst than Sherk’s. I don’t believe he will gas either.
So my final prediction of the main event is BJ Penn by TKO at the end of round 3.
For the co-main event, I am VERY excited. If I had room, I would add Thiago Silva to my name, but I don’t want a very long one. I think 2009 will be the year that Silva breaks into the upper echelon of the UFC LHW division. While I know that Machida will be a HUGE test, I like to think that if Thiago can get him to the ground and avoid his guard, he gets the win. Thiago has MASSIVE power in his GNP attack, unlike anyone Machida has faced before. You can make the arguement that Tito’s ground attack may be better, but he was unable to shoot in effectively, and not able to set up his strikes for takedown. Silva has the ability to set up his takedowns with his strikes, and to get in close and get him to the ground. Once in side or even half guard, I think Thiago will pass to mount and proceed to hammer away, getting a stoppage in the 2nd round. I think the 1st will be a feeling out process, and if Thiago doesn’t stop him before the 2nd, then Machida will proceed to hunt and peck through the 3rd round for a UD.
To wrap up real quick, I think Stephan Bonnar will overwhelm Bones and submit him in the 2nd.
I really want Stun Gun to stop Karo, but I have a feeling Karo will get a UD.
If it wasn’t for PENN/ST PIERRe, then Guida/Diaz would be a lock for FotN. I was one of few that was angry with Guida’s performance against Danzig, and since Diaz’s jits are WAYYY better than Mac’s I think Guida will use more clinching against the fence. Diaz by either sub or tko. If you haven’t seen Nate fight Hermes Franca, check it out. He was schooling Franca until the armbar both on the feet and on the ground.
Fitch by SD
Tavares by UD
Wellish by TKO my upset special
Wilson by TKO
Arroyo by Sub
What say you?
Anyone know where in San Diego fights get shown? I will be in San Diego for UFC 97 on Vacation and DO NOT want to miss the fights. Thanks. redrhino24@aol.com - to let me know.
BJ will win this fight by ref stoppage in third rd. georges will be bloodied from repeated jabs&uppercuts.and anyone who thinks jon fitch could beat BJ needs to quit drinking the bong water
I’m just wondering about some of Dana White’s logic. He says this is one of the biggest fight and yet you have a guy who took GSP the distance in Jon Fitch and Fitch’s fight can’t even get on the main card. Jon Fitch is getting shafted on this PPV. Hopefully some of the other fights finish quick and they have to show that fight to fill in some time.
As for the main event i like GSP. BJ Penn looks like a jacka$$ talking about I’m going to fight to the death, the guy runs out of gas after the 2nd and 3rd round so i don’t know if he can fight that long.
GSP is going down. it will be B.J.’s hand raised after the fight is over not GSP and then B.J. Penn will go up to 185 and kick andersons ass
The utmost respect to both fighters. Whether it’s BJ’s natural talent or Georges St.Pierre’s heart and conditioning, I believe we have a classic in the making with both these men hungry and willing. We’re all MMA fans and can quote the sport as an “anything can happen” game. Trash talk is great marketing; especially on primetime TV. BJ Penn has his own style, it’s not heartfelt (like st.pierre), but it’s BJ. St.Pierre comes walks in the ring, in tremendous shape, and BJ walks in the ring as BJ. We all know the deal, but its the mystique of being in the octagon that tells no truth. For bettings sake: St.Pierre (late round 3) by (TKO). -The514
with all the talk about BJ and GSP, and rightfully so, peopel seem to be overlooking the fact that this card is pretty good overall!!!
Thaigo vs Machida: hope Thiago can dominate and knock out Machida.
Diaz vs. Guida: Im really excited for this fight, it could be Nates first loss, Guida always brings it.
Karo vs Kim: The return of Kar, an new and improvd Karo, in his own words. Kim is a good up and comer, should be a win for Karo though.
Jon Fitch vs Ghono: Sucks that this isnt on the main card.
The return of Stephan Bonner
its an overall goo card!!!
GSP is a way classier person, I was very disappointed with the way BJ acted in UFC Primetime show. GSP is stronger, faster and better, I will say BJ does have allot of heart though.
Here’s my prediction of how the fight will go. This what they will say.
Georges St. Pierre dominated B.J. Penn on Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. The UFC 94 main event ended when Penn’s corner called the bout after the fourth round.
Penn, the 30-year-old UFC lightweight champion, fought off takedowns in the first. St. Pierre, the 27-year-old UFC welterweight champion, grabbed gesingle-legs but couldn’t finish them, though he used his length on the feet to score points in the end of the round.
St. Pierre finally finished a single-leg to start the second. He was able to posture up and land a solid left hand to his Hawaiian opponent’s jaw, which helped open a serious pass to side control. St. Pierre landed a right as before Penn got his guard back. Penn showed his flexibility from the bottom, but he could not control St. Pierre, who punched and elbowed from the top.
It was a round that clearly belonged to St. Pierre and set the tone for the rest of the fight.
The French Canadian GSP fed Penn some jabs to open the third. Penn’s nose began to leak blood, and St. Pierre began to dominate. On the ground, St. Pierre passed to side control and punished Penn with short punches and elbows.
Revjames thats how I predict how the fight goes ;P