Rashad Evans on Chuck Liddell win and Chuck Liddell on Rashad Evans loss:

The remaining UFC 88 post-fight videos after the jump.

Rich Franklin on Matt Hamill win and Matt Hamill on Rich Franklin loss:

And Dan Henderson and Nate Marquardt on their respective wins:

September 7th, 2008    

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Comment by TTT
2008-09-07 11:17:44

FIRST

Rashad vs Forrest… Could be boring or exciting as hell

Comment by blah
2008-09-07 12:38:13

chuck never deserved a title shot even if he would have won simply because hes had a subpar record the last few fights, and lyoto, thiago, and rashad having better records. Im just glad rashad reinforced that!

Now rashad vs crybaby dumbo has the makings of a really exciting back and forth match, i ll go even further and say possibly light heavy match of the year!

Comment by TheNegation
2008-09-07 13:35:11

I’d go with Forrest Griffin any time of the day! Rashad may have a skillfull technique w/that 1-KO punch but someone has to put an end to Rashad’s showboating. I just want his record blemished! His time will come. Calling The Dragon[in case he wins againt Forrest]!!!

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Comment by Robert
2008-09-08 06:54:10

I have to disagree with you….If Chuck whould have won that gives him wins over 2 top ten fighters, Compared to Sliva and Lyoto who have never beaten anybody in the top rankings.

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Comment by The_Cannibal
2008-09-08 18:30:32

prior to this fight Rashad was not in any top 10 rankings, so no he is not a top 10 fighter, however prior to getting handled by Lyoto Sokodjou was ranked in almost every top 10. therefore Lyoto would be far more deserving than chuck regardless of whether he would have won. Undefeated versus someone who was 50/50 in his last 4 fights (not including the Rashad fight)i think the pick should be obvious… the only quality win chuck has recently is over Wandi, and it was awesome but that’s it… fighting top competition only helps your rank if you don’t get KTFO (Rampage)

 
 
 
 
Comment by c-war
2008-09-07 11:29:53

The Rashad win can only mean one of two things. He has either improved drastically or Chuck is officially old.

Comment by DirtyML
2008-09-07 11:33:34

Maybe both?

Comment by DJ
2008-09-07 11:47:56

Agreed… a bit of each.

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Comment by Buster Bluth
2008-09-07 11:58:05

Definitely a bit of both. Chuck is old and he showed it…plain and simple. He’s almost 39 now and he’s still the same fighter but a little slower and not nearly as intimidating as he once was.

Rashad was calm aand he fought a very smart fight and stuck to a great gameplan. It was nice to see him in great shape and come in very focused.

 
Comment by Lycan
2008-09-07 14:30:55

Chuck has had that moron trainer forever HE NEEDS to find a new camp and try something new.

 
Comment by crowls
2008-09-07 18:37:41

all intrigue of a chuck v anderson fight is gone, if rashad can land a loopy shot like that anderson would really damage chuck. he threw the right punch with the uppercut but was just a bit slow, pretty sad to me cuz it felt like the end of a career… hopefully the haters can appreciate this guy and give him his due…beer belly and all.

 
Comment by THORAZINE
2008-09-08 00:34:35

It’s nearing the end of Chuck’s career, his body is looking a little more saggy each time out. Around his age, the testostorne stops producing and the estrogen starts… not everyone can be a Randy Couture. Chuck’s had his heyday of KO’ing just about everyone, now he’s getting KO’d. He’s still got a few fights in him and he beat up Wanderlei not to long ago, and Rashad didn’t do anything to Chuck except for that one perfect devastating punch’.

Chuck still has some talent to give the best fighters fits, but he’s got to have a lot taken out of him from this KO.

 
 
Comment by staples
2008-09-07 12:11:44

A bit of both Chuck just isn’t able to effectively attack any longer he more a counter puncher now which is was Rashad took advantage of

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Comment by john
2008-09-07 18:23:58

I think Rashad really looked good. some fighters come off long lay offs rusty, suga was sharper then ever and I never imagined that he had power like that. Much respect to Rashad.

Comment by crowls
2008-09-07 18:54:08

he did look good, that herky jerky odd timing and head movement gave chuck problems… nobody except for wanderlei goes forward against chuck anymore and he can only stalk tito so i’m disappointed and think chuck may be done. i don’t know about rashad’s “power” tho, he’s always thrown hard punches but that was a home run swing and it landed, lots of guys would look like they have impressive power if they sat down and swung that hard, it’s guys like chuck and anderson and others that can counter punch, punch flat footed or backing up and rock ppl that impress me with their power

john, were u as confused as i was by the end of the franklin hammill fight, hammill didn’t look rocked or anything…great body kick but i didn’t get the stoppage or the fact that he had no problem with it. he was outclassed and i though rich looked bigger and far better throughout but the end of the fight left me unsatisfied. matt recovered right after and looked fine a minute later when he congratulated rich…i dint’t get it

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Comment by c-war
2008-09-07 21:02:50

Hamill was gassed and taking massive amounts of kicks. That last one knocked the breath outta him that wasnt there to begin with. Not sure how you can gas out by not doing anything the whole fight though. He looked terrible.

 
Comment by john
2008-09-08 07:04:22

Dont under estimate the pain that comes with a liver shot! I have NO problems at all with the stoppage. I have seen VERY tough guys like Herring BUCKLE to liver kicks.

I knew Hammil would be a stuborn idiot and try to stand with Rich. Hammil is not the most intelligent fighter, just too damn stubboprn for his own good. His chin and iron will are impressive but he needs to start thinking! THats why I had $400 on Franklin.

 
 
 
 
Comment by UFCAddict
2008-09-07 11:30:02

Wow! This is the FIRST UFC I’ve missed in a long time (wife’s best friend’s 25th birthday). Looks like it was a good one.

Comment by Buster Bluth
2008-09-07 11:58:50

It was definitely a solid card and I feel bad for those that dissed it and decided not to watch it.

Comment by Toms Bombs
2008-09-07 20:20:02

Yeah they showed all but 1 fight, which was put online anyway for free. Great card, especially when Liddell ate dirt lol.

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Comment by Djs3467
2008-09-07 11:30:23

I hope Chuck sticks with it. I enjoy watching him fight win or lose. If he can fight three times next year and win impressivly, he can get his title shot before he turns 40.

Comment by c-war
2008-09-07 12:15:51

Maybe 2 brutal knockouts of top competition could land him back in contention. But if mediocre, then I would agree 3 more wins.

Comment by TheNegation
2008-09-07 13:36:52

I think he should retire. Another decapitation like that and his body’s gonna go straight to the ER!!

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Comment by Soups
2008-09-07 11:30:57

Any fighter who announces a one-dimensional game plan (”gonna knock him out”) and sticks to it the entire fight, he’s going to get beat by any fighter that can effectively nullify it.

The same thing is happening with Matt Hughes. All he’s got is his take down… when other fighters are able to stuff the take down, Hughes is in trouble. If all Chuck brings to a fight is his right hand, and the other fighter can deal with it effectively… Liddell is screwed.

Now take Rashad for example, he’s is first and foremost a wrestler. But Rashad didn’t use ANY wrestling in that win over Chuck. Even though I don’t really care for Rashad as a fighter, kudos to him for reinventing himself for each fight. (Mr. Couture has done the same thing, which is why he’s still around and a threat to any other fighter.)

Comment by c-war
2008-09-07 12:20:20

Well said. I agree with every bit of that. Couture is good but isnt really great at anything except knowing the opponents weakness and attacking it.

One dimensional fighters are getting cleaned out of their division slowly but surely.

 
 
Comment by DJ
2008-09-07 11:33:17

Rashad has alot to be proud of. There were many doubters, including myself. Watching such an icon fall over like a tree was just scary. Rashad, you belong.

 
Comment by Toad
2008-09-07 11:40:35

who’s next for hendo? I’m thinking a big named opponent.

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-09-07 12:50:36

Hell yea, that was a great fight for Dan, his Take down defense looked great, and he made Palhares pay on almost every attempt. He should get Marquardt to see who gets a rematch with A. Silva.

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-09-07 13:10:38

Just a side note, Palhares must have a hard ass head, cause Dan cracked him with that right hand so many times..

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Comment by TheNegation
2008-09-07 13:38:59

Hendo even admitted it that Palhares has a helmet! “Strong chin” he says. Well it’s true. Because I thought Palhares was knocked down. Seemed like he was just playin’ possum….And did you see that wicked downward punch Hendo made at the end of the 3rd?! Reminded me of Shogun…

 
Comment by Pat
2008-09-07 16:13:24

Yeah, it was the same type of punch he used to finish Wandy after he knocked him down.

 
Comment by dia mette
2008-09-07 21:55:22

Dan is Back, Hey joe silva when you put a great striker, grappler, wrestler like Dan in with a one trick pony like palhares thats what you get a uneventful fight.

How about putting dan in with a well rounded fighter, Marquardt vs Dan would be awsome but I think he decerves a rematch with silva

 
 
 
Comment by TheNegation
2008-09-07 13:39:52

How about a rematch w/The Spider after another big win…Is that name big enough?

 
 
Comment by Mysterio
2008-09-07 11:51:20

Hendo vs Marquard maybe..

Comment by Ca$z
2008-09-07 12:18:11

Thats what I was thinking. Would be a sick fight.

I was hoping Kampmann would put up a good fight but he took a few too many solid shots early. Still think he is quality though. He’ll be back.

Comment by b.w.
2008-09-07 14:16:56

kampann looked like a pipsqueak compare to nate. i know its the cliche thing to say do when a fighter loses, but martin does look like a ww and would do better to move down a weight class.

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Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-07 14:53:22

I always thought Kampmann was pretty swoll for MW untill he was standing next to Marquardt

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sureal
2008-09-07 11:57:09

What a weak gameplan Chuck had. The entire fight it was obvious he was trying to load up his famous overhand right. With that much telegraphing I’m not surprised at the outcome.

Maybe a legkick or bodyshot or heaven forbid mix in a jab or two. Having the willingness to rely on only one weapon is a recipe for an early nap

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-09-07 12:09:01

It wasn’t just that, Rashad did a good job of throwing him off, he came out with good head movement, foot work and it looked to me like Chuck didn’t wanna open up cause he was waiting for the take down. Rashad kept switching stance’s and putting his right leg forward like he was gonna shoot. The threat was always there, even though he didn’t use it. Then like he said, he got Chuck chasing him around, and at the end of the first round you could tell Liddell was frustrated, he threw that head kick at the bell cause he was pissed off.

I think Chuck still has another year, maybe 2 in the sport, Rashad caught him with a good game plan. But you could also see that coming too, he threw that overhand right so many times in the first round and missed a couple times in the second as well, Chuck shoulda picked up on that.

Comment by Chadx23
2008-09-07 16:29:23

I noticed Rashad throwing that overhand right many times as well…it was obvious he was hoping to land that on Chuck’s face and he finally did.

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Comment by day1er
2008-09-07 12:12:35

that was an impressive ko it looked like chucks neck bone did the wave when they showed the reverse angle slow mo shot. glad to see hes ok. i hate to see any fighter move forward with their hands down

 
Comment by tuffguy01
2008-09-07 12:22:19

im kinda upsetwith hamills performance.. i wonder what that was about. i missed this ppv but was able to find some of it on youtube lol.

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-09-07 12:28:16

Hamil didn’t look terrible, but Rich chopped him down on the body. By the second round, he had no shot cause his legs and his mid section were probably hurtin pretty bad.

 
 
Comment by Fidel Cashflow
2008-09-07 12:29:50

Chuck needs to change his style or he’s gonna keep taking losses. Like an aging pitcher, he’s gotta throw something different if he doesn’t have that 95mph fastball anymore. His chin seems to have betrayed him with age. He’s lost 3 of his last four fights (rampage(L), jardine(L), Silva(W), Evans(L)) and has been knocked out in 2 of the 3 losses. Sorry Chuck, the “hands down, load up” approach isn’t going to do it for you anymore.

Comment by Brandon
2008-09-07 21:48:25

He’s been knocked down in his last four fights too

 
 
Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 12:34:22

I’ll break it down.. Chuck’s boxing sucks, he’s a fake.. all he’s been doing is knocking out guys with no power in their hands or boxing at all! he was just begging to get knocked out against Rashad that is what happened.. he needs to go to his boy Dana so he can fight chumps like Vernon White and Jeremy Horn again..

 
Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 12:43:02

Rashad and Chuck could go at it 100 times in the standup and Rashad would win 99 times cause Rashad has more power, better chin and everything that counts in boxing and the speed Rashad could throw 2 punches before Chuck throws 1..

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-09-07 13:05:39

I wouldn’t go that far, I still think Chuck wins that fight on the feet 4 out of 5 times, Chuck was landing more shots, and out pointing Rashad up until he got caught.

Comment by Toms Bombs
2008-09-07 14:34:38

Actually, Rashad was winning that fight untill that point.

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Comment by naturalshadow
2008-09-07 16:38:57

No he wasn’t. Chuck took the first round.

 
Comment by colton
2008-09-25 13:16:55

chuck was winning on all 3 judge’s score cards at the end of the first. read the articles on ufc.com

 
 
 
Comment by Chadx23
2008-09-07 16:33:32

look how many times Rashad threw the overhand right before he finally landed it. Rashad won because just like Jackson said after round 1 “your pissing him off” and he did piss Chuck off and Chuck made yet another stupid mistake and paid for it dearly. I’m sure Chuck’s chin is less durable now than it was before, but whos isnt after being in this sport 10 years??? Plus I dont care who you are, if you took that punmch from Rashad the same way Liddell did 99% of guys are getting dropped except maybe Hendo who has a steel head

 
 
Comment by Khaos_warrior
2008-09-07 13:17:40

Rob your an idiot…. If Liddell wanted to be boring like Rashad he could easly beat him. Throw like 7punches per round and win a boring ass 3rounder. He was trying to go out their KO him so that he could for sure get that title shot. To say Rashad has more power LOL!!!! Please watch more mma before even commenting dude. The only thing you got right was Rashad has more speed thats it.

Comment by Its2bad
2008-09-07 13:45:53

Why does he need to watch more MMA? The fact is Chuck was not able to put Rashad down when he connected, but we see the result of what happened when Rashad landed solid on Chuck. I’ve never seen Chuck put anyone out in the brutal fashion that he himself was put out with last night, so Rashad could possibly have a power edge. It’s not as far fetched as you attempt to make it sound.

Comment by naturalshadow
2008-09-07 16:41:29

It is far fetched, and obviously you never saw both of Chuck’s knockouts in Pride.

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Comment by brendan
2008-09-07 20:14:37

lets see, babalu, vernon white, randy couture, alistair overeem just to name a few? must have missed all those knockouts eh? whatd you start following mma last week? do your homework before posting

 
Comment by RoB
2008-09-08 09:29:29

Have you guys ever seen Chuck win with a one punch KO like that? no you haven’t so obviously Rashad Evans punches harder.. sure Liddell has got power in his hands but Rampage punches harder than him too! i’ve watched MMA and Boxing for many years dude! you’re still caught in the Liddell hype and you need to let it go.. I like Liddell too but Rashad could take shots from Liddell and punch back even harder

 
 
 
Comment by scott
2008-09-07 14:25:07

I second that ,have you even seen Chuck fight before .Everybody knows who has the hardest hands in light heavyweight.Chuck just got caught,Rashad threw all his strength in to that punch.Chuck has knocked out people when it seems that he barely threw it.

Comment by Chadx23
2008-09-07 16:35:15

yea he dropped Randy twice and Vernon White once with some shots that did not look that hard compared to what Rashad threw

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Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 15:57:01

ok so why is it that Chucks head almost fell off?

Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 15:59:19

the technique and speed he had in that punch made it harder than any punch Chuck could ever throw.. obviously Chuck is bigger and posseses another kind of power..

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Comment by naturalshadow
2008-09-07 16:44:40

Chuck was also caught in the middle of moving forward with his own punch. That makes Rashad’s punch that much harder. If you hit a fastball with the sweet spot on a bat, it doesn’t take much to knock it out of the park.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ruan-fiy
2008-09-07 13:40:48

did any1 else notice rashad rubbing his nipples like gsp did b4 his fight? maybe his camp told him to do it.

 
Comment by scott
2008-09-07 14:32:46

Now to talk about the great fighter Rashad ,you know the guy that some people on here all of sudden people think is the hardest hitter ,and best boxer.I remember Tito beating his ass,but you same people hate on him .If i am not mistaken he beat both of the fighters in the next title match,but remember Tito is a has been.I do not want to hear people saying it was a draw ,the only reason it was a draw was because he grabbed the fence and they took a point .

Comment by tuffguy01
2008-09-07 14:52:59

scott the ortiz rashad fight was a wrestling match and tito just happened to be the better wrestler. lets face it tito is NOT known for his hands. rashad beat chuck tito couldnt. rashad beat bonner and jardine and i seriously dont think tito could do that either.

Comment by scott
2008-09-07 15:19:56

oh ,but he can beat the guy who won the TUF ,but not the guys that lost it ,styles make matches and Tito would take Bonner and Jardine straight to the ground and gnp the rest of the fight ,maybe we will see one day .All i was saying was does Tito really deserve all the hating that he gets,say what you want Tito beat them .Actually Rashad was suppose to be the better wrestler,remember he was a amateur wrestler in college

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Comment by tuffguy01
2008-09-07 16:09:54

i was a huge tito fan till i woke up and saw the big picture..that tito cannot beat a top 10 fighter. say what u want about the forrest fight but 9 times out of 10 forrest would win. tito has proved that he is an idiot by the comments he makes and by thinking he is worth paying over a million bucks to lose.

 
Comment by Sheriff
2008-09-07 16:24:45

I think Chuck and Tito should fight one last time with the loser officially retiring. Both are still great fighters but their age is showing. Younger guys with quicker speed and punches will still do more damage than someone who wants to wrestle. You can learn to block the takedown you have to have a good chin to stand and take a punch. Hey, I hate it that Chuck lost but the bell is ringing and his time is almost up.

 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-09-07 16:47:38

Chuck would kill Tito for a third time. It is not like either of the first fights were close.

 
 
 
Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 16:29:19

no, Tito has way better defense than Chuck so the same thing would never happen to Tito if he fought Rashad.. Rashad was just not scared of Chuck’s hands and kind of exposed him!

Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 16:34:06

Yes scott you’re right styles make matches.. and Tito doesn’t deserve any hate i love Tito.. and he would take out Jardine, Wanderlei and many top fighters.. just like Chuck loses to good strikers with speed and power cause almost nobody can take him down, if they wanted to make sure Chuck loses like they did with Tito it’s just to match him up with Vera and the big boys..

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Comment by tuffguy01
2008-09-07 17:17:00

do you seriously think that tito can beat wandy??? lol and please expain how tito has better defense than chuck??

 
Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 18:57:08

I’ll just say that Tito doesn’t carry his hands down by his waist and he actually uses head movement and keeps his guard tight.. That’s why Tito wouldn’t get knocked out like Chuck did.. Chuck’s best thing has always been his takedown defense when he fights good wrestlers with no punching power and bad standup! I do think and believe that Tito would beat Wanderlei and should be the favourite in that fight since he is much bigger and a much better wrestler he would take him down and punish him!

 
Comment by Vick
2008-09-12 22:41:18

Noooooooo wayy… Tito is a little crybaby.. It’s either his way or no way.. He is a little pretty boy who would have had a much better carreer in WWF wrestling than in MMA… Tito had WAY to big of an ego to begin with… I don’t understand why anybody would like that dude.. He isn’t even that good of a wrestler.. The Ortiz Liddell fight was the hilight of titos carreer and when he lost he acted like a little bitch.. I never liked him on the TV show and never liked him as a person.. He’s a big meathead who somehow got a shot in MMA and won a few fights with his wrestling and size… I 100% guarantee Liddell would win against tito 10 times in a row - and YES liddell is WAY past his prime.. Do you actually think tito has the balls to fight Rampage or Silva?? Hell no.. He’d run away like the scared little fake ass bitch that he is.. End of story!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Don
2008-09-07 14:46:51

I am tired of hearing the “I got caught” line from Lidell. How about giving some props to your opponent dude? He said the same thing about Rampage. I think Chuck needs to be a little more humble in defeat. He didn’t even stay to talk to Joe Rogan right after the fight, he just walked out like the sore loser that he is. Grow up Chuck!

Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-07 14:56:32

He didnt take anything away from Rashad!!! He said he got caught, because thats what happened!!! he got caught!!!! dum f***!!

Comment by Chadx23
2008-09-07 16:39:41

lol yea Chuck should have stayed and interviewed with Joe Rogan after he was layed out on the fukin mat for 3 minutes…, why didnt Rashad’s boy Jardine interview with JOe after Wanderlei grabbed his throat and pouned him into oblivion?

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Comment by naturalshadow
2008-09-07 16:48:57

Exactly!

 
Comment by Brandon
2008-09-07 21:54:09

for real. Chuck was in no condition to give an interview.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scott
2008-09-07 14:57:59

Well ,what would you say ?That is what happened,he got caught .He got caught very badly ,but that is what happened,But i am tired of whenever any body loses they throw the mike right in their face,but I have yet to see them do that to Chuck.Chuck just gets to walk right out of the octagon ,lets humilate him a little bit.

 
Comment by Don
2008-09-07 15:09:22

Belfart fan you are an idiot! Of course he got caught! but whenever he says that chuck is trying to say, “I’m a better fight and that was a lucky punch” and if you were a little bit more knowledgeable, you would know that that punch came from hard training and meticulous analyzing of Chuck’s style. But why am I wastin my time trying to explain this to you? you were obviouly dropped on your head when you were a baby

Comment by scott
2008-09-07 15:26:13

There was no need for that,did you hear him trash Rashad,no .Have you heard him trash Jackson ,no.It is what it is ,he got caught .He was not getting his ass whooped ,it was pretty even then he got nailed,END OF STORY

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-07 17:29:04

He never said anything about Rashad. He said he got caught. Chuck never said anything about being a better fighter or a lucky punch!!!

 
 
Comment by RobWhiskey
2008-09-07 15:17:18

Rashad….you got babied a long time…and i still say.. That when Rashad fought Sam Hoger…Sam Hoger won that fight!

 
Comment by Aaron_W
2008-09-07 16:50:17

Chuck got his ass whipped. Time and MMA have caught up with him. A great fighter whose time has passed.

 
Comment by Damein
2008-09-07 17:33:39

You people really amaze me.All the people talking shit about Chuck he is washed up, does not have any power, he needs to retire-WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????I will give props where they are do Rashad rocked him with one hell of a shot an it was not luck it was perfect timeing,an gameplanning for a fight.Chuck was right though he did get caught,an if rashad would have missed with the overhand right an that uppercut that chuck threw connected rashad would have been the one saying chuck caught me what can I say.This is mma anything can happen at anytime.No fighter could take a clean shot on the button an remain standing it just does not happen.Everyone talking about the way chuck was acting well what about rashad.Look at the way he was acting before the fight,during,an after the fight an to think I was starting to like rashad I can not wait to see him get beat down an you noo it is comming.

Comment by RoB
2008-09-07 19:29:50

You really amaze me.. hands down, chin up = knockout! it’s that simple he can have any gameplan he wants to, but if he keeps his hands where he does bad things will happen when he actually fights someone that can punch (Evans, Rampage) so far.. and the thing that you’re talking about, how can Rashad miss the overhand right when Chuck uses no head movement and has his chin straight up? Chuck’s uppercut was very slow, you never see good boxers throw uppercuts like that without protecting themselves do you? I think he should move to Juanito Ibarra’s camp to learn some boxing!

 
 
Comment by Monster
2008-09-07 20:50:34

Did anyone see Chuck’s face at the post fight conference. I didn’t realize he got hit in the face that hard, the chin of course though. Anyways anyone who knows how to box is going to win the fight and Chuck must have missed the lesson about keeping your hands up and chin down.

 
Comment by dia mette
2008-09-07 21:59:07

DANA F***kd up in garenteeing rashad the next title shot, does he deserve yes I think so but it would have been better to match up rashad with wanderlie.

I think wanderlie would do to rashad what he did to jardine and he would do the same thing to forrest if givin a chance as well

 
Comment by sooper822
2008-09-07 22:01:53

WOW, ok if you started watching MMA 10 minutes ago please spare us your expert opinion on how to fight. If it was that easy YOU would be doing it. Do some research on some bouts that took place before this year and then come back and make some educated comments that don’t make you look like an absolute toolbox.

rant off