couture lesnar

Believe it or not but the sportsbooks already have betting lines out for the blockbuster bout between heavyweight champion Randy Couture and Brock Lesnar at UFC 91 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, on November 15:

Brock Lesnar Ev BET NOW
Randy Couture -140 BET NOW

Lock the line in now if you think it’s a good bet … it will likely change between now and fight night.

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Comment by skoler
2008-09-04 20:25:15

are the odds againts randy because thats what happened with the gonzaga fight!!!!!!and look what happened he proved all the doubters wrong period!!!all the lesnar nut huggers get a room with each other!!!

Comment by clayton
2008-09-04 20:36:59

the odds favor randy!!! just because someone thinks Lesnar will win doesn’t mean they hug his nuts!!!

 
Comment by c-war
2008-09-04 23:43:11

I think Brock’s sheer power will win him this fight. I hate to take a gamble against Couture though. Very tough call to make because so many different variables.

Comment by c-war
2008-09-04 23:46:15

I swear to God, if I bet on Lesnar and Randy pulls out one of those magnificint game plans and gets a win, Im gonna be pissed!

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Comment by john
2008-09-05 05:41:07

c-war, I hear you but at even money, I have to go with Brock

 
Comment by john
2008-09-05 05:54:20

tHATS IT BOYS!!!! I am officially going to UFC 91….Why? Because Rampage vs. Wanderlei as the co-main event, is all but signed!

In the infamous words of Matt Hamil…. “Whooooo”!

 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-09-05 09:51:54

I predicted that the odds to this fight would open up very close to even. Then they are even, they are typically about -115 to -115, varying up to -130 to Even for either fighter.

Brock Lesnar at even money is too good to pass up. I just placed a bet now. I say “a” instead of “my” because if the odds start moving alot, I may bet more. But as of this moment, I see the majority of the money coming in on Lesnar since he is even. If the odds were swapped and Randy was even, he would probably be getting most of the action. I do not see either of these fighters moving into the + range. So even money may be as good as the odds will get for either fighter. That is why I jumped now.

 
Comment by Kimura by Fedor
2008-09-05 12:44:25

So, it sounds like everyone is is betting on Lesnar… Interesting. I think Couture has so much technicality on his side for Brock to just run him over. He’s twice proven that he can handle whatever heat you throw at him, and I’m not going to doubt him this time. He showed no sign of ring rust after the long retirement, and I doubt he’s going to have any this time. His game plans are flawless, his age has made no effect, his experience is second to none, and he loves the pressure. There is no reason, other than what Lesnar brings to the table (which is not an understatement) to not root/bet/vouche for “the natural”. But, I guess that is reason enough for the majority… So be it.

John, do you know when the tickets go on sale? I’m almost thinking about becoming a Fight Club member to get that presale date. These tickets are going to sale.. fast!

 
 
Comment by DJ
2008-09-05 05:52:47

I agree to a point… Brock can only win by KO. He has zero ground game - heck, Herring gave up his back a few times and Brock just held on from the side not knowing how to take advantage. Brock has alot of potential, but there are still huge holes in his game. It will actually get a bit strange for Randy because he is not used to facing someone so raw at the UFC level.

Randy’s age is a factor. But he has so many ways to win I cannot go against him. I’m not saying it will be pretty but I’m picking Randy 5 Rd UD.

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Comment by blakemore
2008-09-05 02:05:24

is nobody allowed to like a fighter without being called a “nuthugger”, grow up up skoler.

by the way i really like bisping and think he should get a title shot in his next 2/3 fights if he keeps winning….here comes the abuse..

Comment by chefdaddy
2008-09-05 06:41:56

Shouldn’t be abuse on your comment. I am NOT a Bisping fan by any stretch of the imagination. But, if he gets past Leben (which will make me, a grown man, cry into my beer)and then faces one or two top five MW’s, then he most certainly should get a title shot. For one, they are quickly running out of challengers for Silva.

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Comment by Pat
2008-09-05 06:27:55

Dude, -140 means Randy is the favourite lol

 
Comment by Victory is ours
2008-09-05 13:41:10

ON Bodog, they have over/under odds if this fight will go past the 2nd half of round three. Any thoughts? If you think it will not, the payout is +200. The best payout for this fight so far.

 
 
Comment by TheNegation
2008-09-04 20:33:52

Wow, weird odds for LEsnar at even. They didn’t even give him a plus. Fair enough I believe…

 
Comment by clayton
2008-09-04 20:35:11

I’m a little surprised by these numbers. It’ll be very interesting to see how they change over time. If they become a little more favorable for Couture, I’ll probably be putting some money on Lesnar. I really don’t think Couture can win this.

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-09-05 08:21:23

I would think that more than likely odds will start to favour Brock as we get closer to fight night. If Randy goes + then i’m betting on him. The second he’s officially the under dog he’s going to win..

 
 
Comment by Toad
2008-09-04 20:42:16

In some peoples minds randy is still the underdog, and he most likely will always the underdog now in his career due to the fact of his age and size at heavyweight. But i have stopped doubting captain america a long time ago and i think everyone else should too.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-04 20:55:57

yeah in alot of peoples minds randy is the underdog. But i think hes gonna win and i hope to god he fights Fedor before he retires.

 
Comment by Rubberman
2008-09-04 20:58:55

Randy better have a damn good game plan or he’s going to be eating fist all night.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-04 21:03:56

Randy is a master at coming up with great game plans.

Comment by clayton
2008-09-04 22:32:39

The game plan is going to be Mir-esque leg-locks. That’s pretty much his only option, and Randy’s skill in that department is not quite noteworthy.

 
 
2008-09-04 21:05:01

Since I can double my money on this one, I will be taking Lesnar… Can’t stand the guy, and I hope 100 % Randy somehow wins, but I just don’t see it happening.

 
Comment by skoler
2008-09-04 21:09:14

he wins one fight and hes number 1 in the world!!!!now i now what hansen means by the average american mma fan. they turn their back without hesitation!!WAR RANDY I WILL NEVER DOUBT U AGAIN!!!!

Comment by JV
2008-09-04 21:27:40

Where is Brock ranked #1??? You brining up Hansen? LMAO! Hansen would get destroyed in the UFC! Thats why he’s in Dream, the only place he could be champ!

Comment by clayton
2008-09-04 22:35:01

Hansen’s no slouch. I’d pick him over most of the UFC lightweights. He’s already beat some of the best in the world.

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Comment by skoler
2008-09-04 23:01:23

thank you hansen would knock out alot of the ufc lightweights…see his fight with alvarez it was a fu@kin war… not a machida quote”i want to knock him out” yeah right same ol boring match that goes to decision.. this aint a karate match its boring and ur fan base is going to fade with more boring fights!!!

 
Comment by john
2008-09-05 05:42:22

Hellboy, would give a beating to many of the UFC’s top lightweights….RECOGNIZE!!!

 
 
Comment by yohnstoppable
2008-09-04 23:01:00

Dream has a damn good lightweight division. You probably haven’t heard of any of them since they haven’t been on tuf, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t solid. Dream has more ranked lightweights than the ufc does

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Comment by JV
2008-09-04 23:09:45

Sure guys!!! You can believe the biased rankings if you want! And Hansen only got the title shot cause Alvarez was hurt. He beat Aoki, again LMAO!

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-04 23:40:35

hansen is a bad dude… anyone who beats shinya aoki is a bada$$.

 
Comment by john
2008-09-05 05:43:29

JV: there you go sounding stupid again. Come on, you are better than that. Hellboy is a beast and a legit top 10 lightweight. Get a clue man!

 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-09-05 09:57:27

Shinya Aoki was the #3 ranked LW on just about every list coming into that fight with Hansen. (1 Bj, 2 Gomi)

BIASED RANKINGS? Then why isn’t there a single LHW in the Top 10 that does not fight for the UFC??

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-09-05 11:27:05

JV. i didnt care too much for hansen’s latest remarks and dont like him personally, but he is a legit lw and and most the lws from dream would be top 10 fighters in the ufc. aoki is a stud and i would love to see him fight nate diaz. the ufc’s lws are very good as well and hopefully we will get to see some great former dream vs ufc fighters, except hellboy, who has already stated that he wont ever fight for the ufc…..btw aint none of these dudes getting past b.j. penn and until he leaves the lw division for good it’s all pretty much a moot point.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:13:32

Aoki is my favorite LW because of his spandex. and he has some of the craftiest jitz out there.

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-09-05 12:21:43

true. and he wears those spandex for a reason as well, not to get his shorts grabbed im sure. board shorts have become the in thng in mma now, but if you look at some of the greats like gsp. a.silva and fedor, they wear the tights for a reason.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:46:17

Yeah the tights seem to be an advantage for gsp.

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-09-05 12:59:25

lol!

 
 
 
 
Comment by box91
2008-09-04 21:09:56

yea as cool as it would be to see him win and as many times as hes pulled off the upset i cant see randy winning

Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 00:06:22

You can’t see Randy pulling off a submission or even winning via GnP? How do you see Brock winning? We don’t even know if he can go 5 rounds so if he can’t finish the fight, he better hope that he can go the distance with Randy and win too.

 
 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-04 21:11:25

I cant see it happening either, but when he came back to fight sylvia i didnt think he would beat him. Randy will win….. I hope!

 
Comment by obsessedwithsports
2008-09-04 21:44:16

even?

 
Comment by dave
2008-09-04 21:45:01

randy will win dont worry, yes lesnar did work over hering but randy is a much better fighter than hering and he is always right mentaly (besides when he was goin through the divorce witch is understandeble), it will be a good fight but randy will win dont wory belfort_fan lol.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-04 21:57:57

Haha i just dont want to see randy go out there and lose.

 
Comment by Brian Allen
2008-09-04 22:21:19

Why are so many of you saying lesnar will beat Randy!? Frank Mir subed him easy. Randy is way more danerous than Mir! Lesnar beat a lesser fighter in herring. Lesnar cant out strike Randy, and if goes to the ground Brocks in more trouble! How can you people crown Lesnar champ when he hasnt even had a fight with a top 5 fighter!? Are you all WWE nut huggers!? Get real! This is MMA!

Comment by ViolentMike
2008-09-05 09:59:45

You say that “Randy is way more danerous than Mir!” However, you must remember that Mir won the fight off of his back. Mir has the 2nd best guard in the HW division. Randy has never been known for his guard because he is rarely on the bottom since leaving HW division years ago.

Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 11:36:25

Im sure he is training alot from the guard for this fight.

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Comment by PW
2008-09-05 12:43:50

I don’t think Mir would say that was an “easy” win. Brock put him on his can with one punch and was wailing on him until The Moustache intervened and gave Mir his only opening, which he seized.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 14:09:26

i dont think lesnar will be an easy win for anybody

 
Comment by ASR
2008-09-09 21:08:14

Mir got so lucky the ref helped him. I watched that fight and really think that if the UFC wasnt setting up Mir to be on the ultimate fighter that the fight would of been called. He was getting rocked hard and if the fight wouldnt of been stood up he definitely would of been pounded out. The punches in the back of the head were not enough to be stood up for at all and everyone that watches MMA knows it. Mir is going to get crushed against Nog. Lesnar should of won that fight.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DrPepper
2008-09-04 22:30:00

Although Randy is more experienced and well-rounded than Lesnar, I am a little surprised that Randy is favored. I am trying to figure out how Randy can beat Lesnar. Can he knock him out, submit him or take him to a decision? Any one of these scenarios is hard for me to imagine.

To win, Randy will have to stop Lesnar from taking him down. As a former Olympic wrestler, if anyone can, Randy can. But I question whether anyone can stop Lesnar from taking them down. If he could figure out how to land a knee when Lesnar rushes in, that would certainly help. If Lesnar does manage to take him down, the question is, can Randy manage to get back up, unlike Herring who just got ground and pounded. Or, can Randy submit Lesnar from his back? I am sure that Randy’s submission game is good, but I just can’t remember seeing him submit anyone. Who would last if they go 5 rounds? That is the big question mark.

Anyway, Randy is my favorite fighter and I would love to see him win.

Comment by clayton
2008-09-04 22:39:35

If he spends the match defending the take down and getting up when he fails, I think he’ll either gas pretty quickly and get KO’d or simply lose the decision. He can’t win a 5 round match defending the take down against a guy so much bigger, stronger and quicker, no matter how accomplished a wrestler he may be. I really think his only chance is a submission, and I’m sure Lesnar knows how to defend the RNC by this point and I don’t think Randy will hurt Lesnar enough to lure him into a RNC. Lesnar’s too strong for arm locks, so that leaves a win by leg lock.

Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 00:14:24

Good assessment. I think that Randy will utilize the clinch. I think that he will try to get Brock into it quickly, and use knees to the legs to neutralize Brocks take down and his punching power. After being able to do that, he will try to defend the takedown, and will have more of a chance of doing so with Brocks legs so injured. At this point, I could either see him being taken down, or going for a takedown himself and utilizing GnP on Brock either way. I think that he could reverse the position and eventually catch Brock in the mount. These are just possibilities of what Randy could do. This isn’t even including the possibility of using submissions. Randy can win this fight. The problem with this fight is, you never know what to expect from either guy. Brock is constantly learning new stuff and Randy is always bringing in a unique game plan.

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Comment by GSP4Prez
2008-09-05 01:31:58

Couture submitted Mike Van Arsdale via RNC.

Comment by Chase
2008-09-05 02:32:00

I thought it was like an anaconda choke?

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Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 02:51:01

I think you are right.

 
Comment by john
2008-09-05 05:44:29

speaking of Van Arsdale. I believe the AFL offered Tito a fight against Van Arsdale

It was an anaconda choke/gator roll….same thing!

 
Comment by chefdaddy
2008-09-05 06:49:19

It was an anaconda choke. Way back in 2005. His only other submission victory was in 1997 vs Halme (rear naked choke).

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 09:49:38

Van Arsdale is like 43. Hasn’t even competed since like 06 I think,. good luck haha.

 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-09-05 10:04:24

Randy fighting Mike Van Arsdale to get another shot at Liddell was just crazy…

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 11:37:48

Yes it was an anoconda choke… van arsdale put up a scrap though.

 
 
Comment by clayton
2008-09-05 02:59:42

he’s certainly capable of pulling it off in a fight, but probably not against Lesnar.

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Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 03:11:53

Remember when Randy beat Tim Sylvia in the stand up? Tim Sylvia had almost a foot long reach advantage. He dominated Tim at his own game. This was at the age of like 42 or 43. Tim had the height advantage, reach advantage, and size advantage. I know that Brock presents a different challenge than that of Tim Sylvia but So did Gonzaga. Randy figured him out too. He has 3 full rounds of Brocks most recent fight to study. Talking about this fight is exciting. I have no idea who is going to win! If I had to choose, it would be Randy. But I could easily see Brock win this as well.

 
Comment by ASR
2008-09-09 21:13:45

Tim has no ground game and no threat of shooting on anyone. Randy was just able to tee off on him and never even looked down to see if he was going to get shot on. Gonzaga wasnt strong enough to stop a the much smaller randy from pushing him up against the cage and impose his will. Neither of these game plans are even close to feasable with lesnar. People can say what they want but everyone knows it. I think even the people that are saying randy is going to win are heavily doubting it. This is a huge mismatch on every standpoint except for subs which randy only has a small advantage in, and experience which I think is not going to help. Not to mention the fact that not only is randy 45 but he is 45 and hasnt fought or been training to fight for a year.

On another note who is betting Kim Couture will divorce randy shortly after he gets pummeled out of mma.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jason T
2008-09-04 22:38:32

Lesnar will win. Mark my words.

Comment by AJ
2008-09-04 23:05:51

Agreed. Lesnar has knocked his past 2 opponents on their asses with powerful right hooks, which you know will be coming Randy’s way. Randy has been knocked out before and has only KOed somebody early in his career. Lesnar wins via KO or TKO.

 
 
Comment by skoler
2008-09-04 22:56:09

i dont doubt randy at all …now with him and fedor randy would get murdered!!!!sorry randy but after i seen affliction i think its hard to see who can beat fedor..when people say who takes it fedor or brock i just laugh what kind of stupid dumb ass question is that compare someone that has dominated all of his aponents in 30 profesional fights foght fu@kin giants.. to someone that use to fake wrestle in the wwe that was probably on roids..that first punch landed hard but after that he really did nothing but laid on himi for the rest of the fight..if you can compare that to and even match then ur on crack go back to watching wwe and watch lesner be the most dominant heaviweight that walks the planet…

Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:30:34

Randy and Fedor will be a great fight… just wait till it happenes.(if it does). if fedor wins. randy will have dominated the fight until he got caught in a submission.

 
 
Comment by AJ
2008-09-04 23:02:27

I wonder if Randy will come out to Back in the Saddle Again, even though he already did his last post-retirement fight.

Anyway as much as I love Captain America, his age has to catch up to him eventually, he is clearly out sized and weaker than Brock, he has cage rust of over a year, and in Brock’s other 2 UFC fights he knocked his opponent on their ass with simple right hooks, which had big impacts on the fights. We have not seen Lesnar’s chin, but I would image it’s strong. Couture always rises to the occasion, but I don’t see him taking this one. He has been knocked out twice and only knocked somebody else out early in his career. I think Lesnar wins KO or TKO.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-04 23:21:54

why so negative about it damnit!!!!!!!!11

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 00:17:08

Mania,

I have noticed that lately, my comments haven’t been going through very often. Is there any reason in particular?

 
Comment by nev
2008-09-05 00:21:35

i hate lesnar but i will put 100 bucks on him and double up, sucks but he will win, he will outweight couture by 60 pounds and they are both wrestlers so that is a big deal. I’m not sure why randy is the favorite here, his mma record kinda sucks, he has 16 wins and 8 losses, that’s really not good at all. He losses 1 in every 3 fights??

that’s pretty bad. and this is his 3rd fight….

Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 00:38:42

Randy has a great record!!!… he beat liddell, he beat belfort twice, he beat tito ortiz, pedro rizzo twice, tim sylvia, gonzaga, van arsdale. his losses are to great fighters such as liddell, josh barnett, ricco ridriguez, enson inoue. Yeah what a crappy record.
Anyone else agree???

Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 00:45:08

In terms of numbers maybe, but in terms of the caliber of fighters that he has battled, not at all. Not to mention, he has been able to beat top heavyweights while in his 40’s. He has also had 5 UFC titles in 2 weight classes.

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Comment by ViolentMike
2008-09-05 10:07:29

You have to consider his strenght of opponents. Randy didn’t start out fighting in backyard underground organizations. He started right out fighting in top orgs against top fighters. COmpare that to someone like a Sean Sherk who has like 30 wins against fighters that NO ONE has ever heard of.

 
Comment by nev
2008-09-05 10:39:39

the fact that he had the ufc titles 5 times also means he has lost them 5 times. How many times did fedor lose his belt? um……

 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-09-05 11:05:58

Why? WHo’s talking about Fedor?

 
Comment by nev
2008-09-05 11:07:29

i’m just trying to put it in perspective that couture is the best heavyweight in the world, and def not next in the line to fight fedor.

 
Comment by nev
2008-09-05 11:08:16

haha spelling mistake

“is not” **

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 11:39:35

Last time i checked we were talking about RANDY not FEDOR!!!!!!!!!!11

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 12:23:24

By getting the belt 5 times, it also tells you that he is all about comebacks. Although he is technically the champ, this is still some sort of a comeback fight. Randy is not next in line to fight Fedor….Arlovski or Barnett is. Oh and btw…I agree with Lesnar. Stop talking about Fedor. He may not even join the UFC and fight Randy so what’s the point in discussing him when we are talking about Randy? It’s an intriguing match up but an unlikely one sadly.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:35:28

I agree.. The fight will propebly never happen. and this is somewhat of a comeback for Randy. allthough he is still the champ. but yes people need to stop talking about Fedor Randy, we’re past that now.

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 12:44:19

Agreed. At least for now. We will see in the future. On a side note, I always thought about the possibility of Brock becoming a great heavyweight fighter and Randy returning to fight him. Granted these aren’t the circumstances that I had once visualized, but the fight is still happening. I’m pretty excited.

 
 
2008-09-05 00:48:05

Yea, and now he’s what 45 ? He’s not 25 or 35 even….
Serious man, Lesnar is gonna put a hurtin on him, he wont even be able to do what he did 2 gonzaga, cause he will have ring rust, is a year older… not 23 turning 24, were talking 45 ! Yes I would LOVE to see Randy win, but 60 pounds is a HUGE wieght difference.

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Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 01:12:10

Randy wasn’t 25 or even 35 when he beat Tim Sylvia or Gabriel Gonzaga. Sure he may have ring rust but this didn’t effect him when he came back to fight Tim Sylvia. He had been out for over a year when he came back and defeated big Tim. Experience is also a key factor in this fight. Randy is great at coming up with game plans and against someone as inexperienced as Brock, it might be easier that you’d think. I am by no means counting out Brock Lesnar, i am just saying that you should never count out Randy Couture.

 
Comment by Chadx23
2008-09-05 10:44:11

no one will train harder than Randy….but the question is, can Randy avoid Brock’s punch? If Brock mounts Randy thats BAD news.

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 12:25:10

Not necessarily. Brock mounted Herring and Herring was able to get out of it before Brock could even hit him. I think Randy could handle the situation. This is all pending on what Brock learns between now and fight time.

 
 
Comment by nev
2008-09-05 10:38:06

really? um then he lost to liddell twice after he won, which makes his win look like a fluke. And about Tim Sylvia and Gonzaga being hard opponents to beat, really?? are you serious? Tim Sylvia is the least athletic heavyweight, he has no wrestling ability at all. He couldn’t even get up, and also fedor put him away in 36 seconds and it took randy what 25 minutes????

And Gonzaga=? who has he beaten besides Cro Cop that matters? And the only reason randy won that fight is because their heads collided during a take down. Which caused Gonzaga not to see anything during the fight. His quote during the fight was ” I can’t see!” .

I’m pretty sure Brock will see just fine when he tosses randy around the cage. And I don’t think Lesnar is that good, just good enough to beat a guy 60 pounds smaller….

???????????

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Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:44:39

Do you judge every fight by who the fighters have beaten and how they did it and who beat them faster??? WTF. yeah gonzaga losing to couture had nothing to do with randy whooping his a$$.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:50:16

do you judge all fights by who they have beaten and who beat them faster? you obviously dont know what your talking about so get out of this blog cause this doesnt seem like your topic. you dont know $hit about it!!!

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 12:53:11

OOOOOH! Double burn!

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:59:10

haha The first one didnt post right away so…. didnt mean to post them both

 
 
 
 
Comment by ArlovskiRush
2008-09-05 00:46:18

So much for Brock’s beat down on Big Bad Coleman. Great test for Lesnar to eat some fore arm shivers in the clinch. I just hope Randy doesn’t get cut by that big pen!s on Lesnars chest. I still think Lesnar is to big and strong, maybe if Brock wasn’t a wrestler his chances would be better.

Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 00:56:36

(Thinks about Sylvia vs Couture….thinks about Gonzaga vs Couture)…….I’m never counting out The Natural again.

Comment by Chase
2008-09-05 02:36:24

Gonzogo is over rated, and so is tim, and i think so is Couture, Lesnar is a wrestler, they weren’t he outweighs COuture By 60 pounds and his way stronger, He didn’t seem tired at all after 3 rounds with herring, He will out wrestle couture, and win. - Fact.

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Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 02:49:40

you ever think that Brock is over rated too? sure he beat Heath, but so did Jake Obrien. heath ain’t that great against wrestlers. I am a huge advocate of Brock, but if you want to say that Randy is over rated, then you could easily say that Brock is too. Wins over Gabe Gonzaga and Tim Sylvia are much better than a loss to Mir and a win to Herring. I am a huge Brock fan and i think that he has a TON of potential. I am just comparing both of them based on your statement. Randy is not over rated and neither is Gonzaga….maybe Tim is though haha.

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-09-05 03:01:34

Basically what I am saying is, don’t count out either of these fighters. This fight could go either way. To count out either fighters is ignorant. Randy could utilize the clinch, stand up, GnP and submissions as well. We all know what Brock brings to the table….including surprises of what he has learned.

 
Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 12:57:04

Chase, I dont like Tim but how is he overrated? he beat Arlovski twice, monson, assuario silva… anyways tim has proved himself. and gonzaga how is he overrated?? i think he was one of the most underratted fighter until he almost killed Crocop. Brock may be a bit overrated though, a guy who won him mma debut against Min Soo Kim, woo hoo! then lost to frank mir. then beats herring by decision. now he is fighting couture.. he might be alittle overrated.

 
 
 
 
Comment by MeanGene
2008-09-05 01:29:33

Not good odds, who would feel compelled to bet on this?

 
Comment by Pat
2008-09-05 06:29:02

I think Randy will pull a Machida on Lesnar. It’s gonna look similar to Huerta-Florian, with Randy being Florian. Randy will use Lesnar’s bull aggressiveness against him.

Comment by belfort_fan
2008-09-05 13:15:23

I hope your right man.

 
 
Comment by revjames
2008-09-05 09:07:48

Randy’s best gameplan IMO would be to keep the fight standing as long as possible, circling away and picking apart Lesnar with strikes. I believe Lesnar when he says he has a hard head, he may be difficult to KO, but Randy could rack up points and soften him up a little. Plenty of dirty boxing in the clinch as well, obviously, maybe he can open up a cut.

Randy is known for his great Greco and ground and pound, but don’t forget that he has beaten some of the best stand up strikers at their own game (first Belfort fight, first Chuck fight, Silvia). He fought super smart against Gonzaga, with that bobbing head action, getting off strikes and then clinching whenever things got hairy.

Naturally, against Lesnar, Randy’s normal go-to wrestling advantage is going to be thrown out the window. He’s going to have to avoid Lesnar’s shoot at all costs, which will be tough. Lesnar may not do much on the ground, but he can hold a guy down and control a fight. Randy has no submission game to speak of and that’s a big problem, seeing as that is, and probably always will be, Brock’s biggest weakness.

I think Randy can survive and take the fight into the later rounds where his experience will pay off. Despite his lack of sub skills, he still might be able to catch Brock in a RNC if he can soften him up with strikes (elbows in the clinch and a lot of jabs while circling away).

Couture, I believe, will find a way to win, but it’s going to be hard. This is not a great match up for him, but it’s winnable. Lesnar is a freight train and Randy’s going to have to sneak under a bridge at night and plant some TNT to derail him. Or he’s gonna get run over.

Randy by third round RNC.

Comment by MMACrossfire
2008-09-05 10:47:25

revjames - Great post, and good points.

In my imagination Lesnar is a giant, while, in fact, he’s only two inches taller than Randy. So, the striking game seems like his best opportunity to pick apart Lesnar. Strikes up top and well-timed kicks below. If he can loosen up Lesnar, weaken his legs, and weave and bob like he did against his last two opponents, he can out-point Lesnar for sure.

Whether he can submit Lesnar is another question.

At the moment, I still believe Lesnar’s camp will put together a solid plan that will take into account all of the above. They have great footage of Randy’s last two fights, so they know how smart he is, and how he moves. This will be one very interesting fight.

Comment by ASR
2008-09-09 21:04:42

I agree with you that Randy really should want to keep this on the feet and try to jab his way as much as possible. That should be the game plan but lesnar not only so much larger and stronger than Randy he is much quicker. That is what is really going to hurt Randy. He will not be able to physically pull off the stuff he did against other “big men”.

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Comment by rydinlow
2008-09-05 09:25:10

My pick goes to Lesnar. Randys only chance imo is to win by submission which I don’t see happening. I don’t think randy is strong enough to hold lesnar up against the cage like he did gonzaga nor do I think randy will be able to take lesnar down, and he sure as heck won’t be able to stop any of lesnars takedowns

Comment by Chadx23
2008-09-05 10:47:13

he wont have to stop the takedown, he can just jump out of the way when he sees the freight train charging….lol seriously though, this is a tough fight for Randy. If he loses then what??? I’d like to see Randy fight Kongo….

 
 
Comment by The Bruiser
2008-09-05 12:55:56

Have we learned nothing from the Couture v. Rizzo, Couture v. Ortiz, Couture v. Silvia, or Couture v. Gonzaga fights? When Randy fights… you bet Randy!

It’s not like Lesnar is even good. A few months ago people were calling him a UFC sideshow act come over from the WWE. He beat one mediocre opponent and now he’s going to beat the #2 in the world? Please!

Comment by ASR
2008-09-20 16:44:41

First of …Bet on Randy… Seriously? The many has a 65% win average. Those are not much better than flipping a coin. I think the most impressive win Randy has was against Gonzaga, everybody else heavyweight wise nothing. I am not saying he was not a great fighter but besides gonzaga who has Randy beaten in the last 4 years, big timmy the sloath who has no ground game at all and from what I understand had some nagging injuries for the fight. Randy is by no means no. 2 in the world and although a good fighter in his prime people are giving him way to much credit. Nog will run through him given the opportunity. Randy should go down to 205 were he belongs. Evolution of the sport is catching up with him. Too many bigger men that can move and strike. Without a wrestling advantage Randy is in a bad spot with this one.

 
 
Comment by T-bone
2008-09-10 21:47:40

Just dropped the $$$$ on Couture at -110 (Brock is showing at -130). Couture for the win!!!

 
Comment by missionviejofighter
2008-09-18 00:36:06

I will be there for the fight and i will put $500 on Brock just for the pure dominating power. Randy wont be able to clench that huge upper body of brock. I hope i’m right, i need extra cash.

 
Comment by Lez-Nar the Barbarian
2008-09-20 23:19:26

I honestly don’t know. I was right about Randy losing the 3rd time against Liddell, but for the wrong reason. I thought age would catch up with him. I thought his win against Gonzaga was much bigger than his win over the Stainiac in showing his skill…but I still don’t know whether its because the fluke nose thing.

Randy’s age, reaction time etc will catch up with him at some point but I honestly dont know when. UFC brass probably always thought the Nog fight would be too risky for Randy and so they pick good style matchups for the hero. Who knows, Lesnar may pulverize randy, or Lesnar might gas in the 4th or 5th. He seemed kinda winded at the end of the 3rd round against Herring. This would leave him open for a choke etc

 
Comment by bob
2008-09-29 00:02:52

lesnar is goin to beat coutre. coutre will struggle to stay alive and not get beaten into a pulp. im very suprised coutre is favored by -140. u can have skill but coutre is just to old and i hate to say it.

 
Comment by gsavoie
2008-10-01 12:17:51

i have to say randy is the man. he was one of a couple who carried the sport and made it what it is today. dana and the ufc are throwing him to the wolves. brock is too big for this weight class, yeah he cuts down to 265 but he really is 300+ lbs. i hate to say it but i think he will win(not from skill but from size and power) and this will only go on to make the heavy weight division even worse. right now it is the poorest division in all mma who is out there other than frank mir, nogeria, and randy,? chek gongo, heath herring, tim silvia, arolvski, fucking lame class and lesnar is an idiot with no respect. his antics are like tank abbotts(at least he was fun to watch) and early tito. oh well if the ufc wants a weight class dominated by a dipshit with no skills lesnar is the MAN, but at least his marketable just like the WWE. another great call by Dana. and i am curious to see what happens with the skill set of the fighters in the ufc with the other organization getting bigger, now there is more than one kid on the block. ask yourselves this why are so many good fighters leaving the ufc? and how many fighters are the “best pound for pound fighter in the world” bring on you stupid comments about my thoughts.

 
Comment by joe
2008-10-22 22:05:34

lesner has no talent just being a big guy that’s all

 
Comment by EInkkuwait
2008-11-01 12:15:53

Couture is finished. I see the future and its with Lesnar holding his hands high. Lesnar is underestimated and is a real contender. A true athlete. I think Lesnar wins with a TKO in the first or second round. I think Lesnar would pound Sylvia much worse than the beating Couture gave him. I also think Chuck in his prime would’ve gotten beat down by Lesnar. Either way, I plan to bet on Lesnar every time from here on out. I use to wrestle and I’ve never seen a heavyweight move like Lesnar. I know Couture is very smart but I just don’t think he has another victory like what happened with sylvia and gonzaga. I’ll be at the fight on the 15th. My two big bets will be on Lesnar and Gonzaga. Also, I’ll be doubling my winnings at the roulette table afterwards.

 
Comment by nima
2008-11-15 07:23:37

Randy all the way, u gotta be kidding me, I dont even think brock has even earned the right to fight randy, its all because of that air head dana white. This is simply power against skill and I am gonna go with skill. Not to mention the fact that how nervous lesnar is gonna be because he knows that he is going against the best. I think randy will have a little challenge on his hands about 2 or 3 minuts into the fight in which lesnar will show his explosive power. I know randy will survive those 2 or 3 minuts and then Brockkk see yaaa I wouldnt wanna be yaaa because the great randy will make u goback to your fake wresteling.

 
Comment by tarik
2008-11-16 00:50:06

brock lesnar the stupid ogre won
were can i find the fight

 
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