Hell hasn’t frozen over just yet, but the temperature is definitely dropping.
What started as an ugly rumor is now snowballing into the biggest news story of 2008: Randy Couture’s return to the UFC.
Say what?
Dave Meltzer is reporting that exiled UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture is not only negotiating a new contract, but that his return could come as early as November at UFC 91 against the albino gorilla known as Brock Lesnar.
That means an end to his nine-month legal battle with Zuffa, but does it mean an end to his desired dream match against Fedor Emelianenko?
Not so, according to Ariel Helwani. MMA Rated says the UFC is also considering a proposal from M-1 Global to co-promote a Randy Couture vs. Fedor Emelianenko bout following the Lesnar fight in November and a possible third fight against current interim champion Antonio Rodrigo “Minotauro” Nogueira sometime after that.
That of course begs the question: What happens to Minotauro’s belt if Couture returns? And what happens to Couture’s?
Since Randy is reportedly negotiating a new three-fight contract and not a repair of his old one, the landscape of the UFC heavyweight division could change significantly upon his return.
In fact, an announcement could come as early as next week.
But let us proceed with caution, because contracts are an ugly business. A verbal offer is worth as much as the paper it’s printed on. And “negotiations” are worth even less.
Am I to believe that Randy Couture would stand on ceremony for the past year, hemming and hawing about fighter poverty and a dream match with Emelianenko, only to be reinstated with the promise of a fat paycheck and a pasty ex-wrestler?
That means Randy is like a junk bond, easily bought and sold at the mercy of the market. I’m not ready to go from “Captain America” to “Corporate America” just yet.
And how could the UFC bag the Russian Regulator from M-1 for just one fight? Why would UFC President Dana White grant Fedor a one-shot deal to face “The Natural”? It doesn’t make sense, unless Randy relinquishes his title.
Forget about the 6-10 million Couture wants to fight “The Cyborg”. Dana isn’t going to forfeit the credibility of his heavyweight division by letting Fedor come in for one fight, because if he wins it’s not just egg on the face of the UFC, it’s the whole chicken.
Not to mention the UFC heavyweight division is a much different place than it was when Randy went AWOL. The UFC has a very worthy champion in Nogueira and fans who haven’t warmed up to Nog yet will certainly get their chance when he appears on The Ultimate Fighter 8 opposite Frank Mir later this year.
And is anyone not excited to see more of up-and-coming superstars like Brock Lesnar, Cain Velasquez and Shane Carwin?
What prompted all of this? Who really needs who? Does Randy need the UFC or vice-versa?
I guess the answers to these questions will be very telling as they’re revealed over the next few days.
Of course none of us our privy to the negotiations that are rumored to be taking place, and I’m not looking to make anyone the villain.
But after a year of mud-slinging it just seems unlikely that Couture’s return can happen without someone looking like a money-grubbing liar.
I hope for legacy’s sake it isn’t Randy.
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oh snapppppppp!
Ohhhhhhhh Snap! even.
Wow didn’t see this coming!!!! Great for fans….good fight…Randy just looks stupid coming back to the UFC but hey as long as we get good fights why not.
Well if this one happens, we can clearly see what Randy is made of nowadays. LEsnar will be an ACID TEST!!!
WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
Won’t believe it til I see it, but at least it will be some resolve and no more bickering. So long as both Randy and Dana could swallow their pride, and make things happen for everyone as a win-win-win situation, Dana, Randy, and the FANS. $$ shouldn’t be a problem, this will be the mega super-deal of the century, to actually co-promote with M-1 and get Fedor in there too…. Not holding my breath though. This could be MMA’s Superbowl!
Inter-f**king-resting. Look who’s been woken up by the smelling salts. Both Randy and Tito make me laugh. This would be genius if the UFC and the ego can make this happen, but like DirtbagHtr- I’ll believe it when I see it.
I think this will happen and I think if Randy can avoid a first punch by Brock, he will destroy him. Brocks power is no match for Randys balance and leverage. Once you get that big F’er on the ground he will be helpless. This is short work for the Natural.
well, well… Brock with his aggressiveness and power, randy is out for some beating, but randy is a fighter with a big heart,i just hope his punches, kicks and stamina is as strong as his will power
Randy has to prove himself to me again. It has been over a year since he has fought and his age has got to cave his abilities anytime now. If this fight were to happen a long time ago, I would be crazy for it, but my highest image of Randy has been torn and I just cant see him being able to control a monster like Lesnar. Lesnar is not only the future of the UFC heavy division but as MMA as well. His speed, power, and agility are only to be beat by flawless technique. Let’s hope Couture, the master of technique and game plans, still has some left, otherwise this will be like watching your grandpa get a beat down.
I can give you that Randy has to prove himself but if you look at what will happen he will be doing that. I see know is issue with Randy giving up the title belt because one, he has been gone for a while and two to simply earn the respect back from UFC fans everywere. Now for fighting Lesnar this is not a stand up fight. Randy will run in and punch only to test if his power punch has any affact on Brock. Regardless of this, I think it will come down to who is the best wrestler. Brock is still young and simply still does not have the brain connection to understand that “hey, maybe I should submit this guy”. To many opportunities have been given up. Randy, on the other hand, will look to submit Brock by arm bar, triangle or choke. Randy just has to have enough strength to hang on once he gets Brock in the clinch. Brock will wear himself out trying to get out trouble and that is when Randy will win. Just my thoughts. We shall all see soon enough.
I agree that Randy needs to prove himself due to layoff and advanced age for a fighter. As for the stuff were randy just has to hang on not so much. Randy will be giving up about 50 pounds at fight time if this happens. That is 50 pounds to a guy who is also incredibly strong for his size. Randy will be tossed around like a rag doll. I know there are going to be a few people on here who will say “well tim was big” yes but he is also a slow oaf who cannot be compared with lesnar’s athleticism. I feel this is a bad match up for Randy. Brock will be able to control him on the ground and he is improving on all aspects of the fight game. The size and strength advantage will be huge. Even when randy fought bigger guys he was always as strong and normally much faster. With his age and going against brock this will not be the case. The two things I found most impressive in lesnar’s last outing were his punching power, and anyone who says different is an idiot he has knocked down two of the heavyweights best with single blows in both his fights, and his speed is incredible. I still feel there is nobody that can stop him from taking them down. Right now he has over a 90% take down percentage on his shoots and that is incredible. If he wants you down you will go down. As for him ending up in a triangle…..anyone else see randy getting thrown through the bottom of the cage. Arm bar is the best bet but still highly unlikely. Randy needs to run and pick his shots if this fight happens and hope he can unload first in the stand up game while doing whatever he needs to do the keep the 280 pounds lesnar will be off of him.
ok just so i get this right brock lesnar is 2-1 in the ufc (anyone know his first fight) one win against a “hired gun” in heath herring in which lesnar pretty much couldnt finish herring who was clearly crumpled. Plus the fight in where his (lesnar) inexperience was brought to light when mir nearly broke his (lesnar) leg. With all that said how the hell other than the simple fact this will draw a crowd like non other does dana white justify lesnar getting a fight against randy much less a title shot at that…Dont get me wrong i wont be surprised if lesnar takes randy but dont gimme that old fighter crap when lesnar in his own right has spent his time play fighting with vince mcmahon and is in his mid 30’s himself lesnar has just plain and simple not put the time and fights and dedication that other heavyweight fighters have to reach what has been GIVEN to brock…RANDY IN 2ND BY SUB.
Yeah he is 2-1 and his first fight was against Min Soo Kim. A judo guy that mounted and submitted via strikes. As far as some people commenting about Brock not submiting, who cares!!!! This is not Ju Jitsu+ punching, it is fucking M M A! The longest reigning champion in UFC history rarely submitted anyone, as a matter a fact Tito used Brock’s method of GnP. With that said Heath is hard to rear naked choke (recently anyways) he is VERY VERY good at getting mounted, giving up is back, getting wrist control and rolling back to guard. He does that shit all the time and Brock knows this so when Heath tried to do it Brock kept Heaths back. If Brock would have given up leverage Heath would have rolled. Watch his other recent fights he is good at it. You do not have to submit to win, it’s crazy that more people don’t know that.
I would say this is extremely unlikely to happen to say the least.
I mean think about it, if this WERE to be true, they would essentially be giving Lesnar a title shot right? And with TUF 8 happening I just don’t see this being more than an ugly rumor.
oH tHis IS happening and you better believe it! I have been telling you guys all week that this was happening! A FACT that can not be denied is that Randy is already back in the gym training for a FIGHT!!!!!!
Randy will give up his title. Its been over a year since he defended the title and the UFC usually strips you after a year if you dont defend it. The only reason he has not been stripped is because it works in the UFC’s favor during the Court cases to have Randy as the champ. I REALLY believe that Randy will fight Lesnar at UFC 91 in Portland. Randy has ties to the portland community and the ROSE Garden is a HUGE state of the art arena. With that fight as the headline Randy’s GREEDY ass will be able to make all the money he wants, but it wont be a title fight.
If Randy can beat Lesnar they will have some big ppv over Randy (Former UFC champ that relinquished the title) vs. UFC champ Nog, and it will sell Billions of ppv’s. I actually hope that Brock beats Randy SENSELESS! but down the road I also want to see Nog snap his arm. THe Fght with Fedor is actually the fight I want to see least because I dont even think it will be competitive.
Jesse, I think you called it…”Corporate America”!!
This is like when Hulk Hogan went HOllywood and joined the NWO! Sad day being a fan, but at least we may get to see his ASS kicked in the process by Lesnar!
Randy fighting in the UFC is better than him fighting No where, I guess!
“billions of ppv’s” LOL have they ever done 1.5 million? Good call john, mania said it would “never happen,” I’m glad he was wrong for once! I for one hope Lesner hospitalizes this greedy, contract bitching prick!!!
by the way…I got Randy!
i doubt that this will actually happen, but i want this fight to happen so bad.. hell i’ve got a semi just thinking about it
Kev, I am also read that the UFC is trying to negotiate with CBS to take EliteXC’s spot.
When you get the chance read Diaz’s response to KJ…Its too Funny yet too TRUE!
cagepotato
Man! The UFC is really putting the last nails in the coffins of other Orgs. Fedor/Randy would sell bigtime in any other Org. So why not do it in the UFC? And Randy/Brock! WOW! Its like Kevin said, it would kinda be a passing of the torch! Win or lose, Randy would still draw alot of PPV’s with fights against Brock, Nog, and Fedor! Oh, and I LMAO! at the “albino gorilla” comment!
The Gracie Fighter response to Noons was pretty funny. The best parts were the vasoline reference and the equation KJ = little bitch > KJ = real champion .
JOHN. i will go ahead and give props for this news, even though it isnt signed yet, just for karma’s sake. good job!
If I hear something interesting I pass it along. I dont know how truthful it is, then again how could I? I pass along what I hear because I would hope that you guys do the same in return!
I hope it’s not just wishful thinking… You think randy will get cheers or boo’s,if he does come back.
Idk, wierder things HAVE happened I suppose. What do I know.
Lesnar would have balls the size of mountains to fight Couture in his 4th fight ever.
or he is just high on him self for getting his first win in the ufc
Couture is overrated.
WHAT!!!!!! There are alot of stupid comments on this site, but that takes the cake! Idiot!
A little bit overrated as a heavyweight.
Lensar would SMASHHHHHHHH Couture
Easy
He would have 50+ lbs of muscle on Couture and would just GnP like he did to Herring
Randy doesn’t have KO power and Lesnar will be able to control him on the ground
You’re wrong Brandon, its close to being official…
and randy’s back training full time, thats also inside information.
All signs are pointing towards this being the truth! Announcement tuesday im told!
I can see lesnar winning by lay and pray (pretty much how he did his last fight) I mean lets face it if he gets the takedown randy is going to have a hard time getting up. look at his with barnett he only lost that fight because he was substanually smaller, dont get me wrong im for randy 100%
But needless to say, im glad The Natural is back!
I agree. If the odds are right I might be throwing some dough down on Lesnar, while rooting for Randy at the same time!
Did you watch that fight? After that first punch that knocked Herring across the ring he did nothing but turtle up. That wasn’t LnP, that was a guy who had no answer for getting pounded on other that to go into tornado drill mode.
I think The UFC actually really needs this fight to get signed because Kongo who brock was supposed to be fighting got hurt, and there is no one else to headline the event unless you get Rampage on the card!
how about Tito vs. Shogun & or Randy vs. Wand !!!!!!
“EliteXC — possibility. Affliction — possibility. UFC — a small chance of that happening,” said Ortiz. “The things between me and Dana White, I’m shoving it off and moving on with my life. – Tito on InsideMMA. I bet you anything, he’ll take the highest bidder. simple as that.
man, if brock beats him which is very possible.. randy couture’s entire career will be worth nothing.
are you serious?
randy’s career is etched in stone. and getting beat by brock, who just dominated top 10 heath herring, would not invalidate that.
Randy should fight the winner of Nog and mir, Im not a Lesner fan at all but it is possible he could beat Randy, im mean the guys a f#cking monster.
The simple fact is that UFC is the ONLY organization that can afford to pay Couture anything close to what he wants. Not Affliction, not Elite, nobody. And whether or not he fights Fedor, there are now plenty of compelling fights in the UFC HW division, starting with Lesnar.
nog should fight couture first. Then decide, don’t f your ufc heavy weight champ. I just want to see randy fight again.
just like news flash, kimbo vs randy
Is anyone else thinking Randy might get seriously hurt and not be the randy he once was? What kind of fight would he have left for fedor?
You guys have always dismissed Randy. He will embarrass Lesnar and show all of his weaknesses. Don’t forget Randy is one of the best. He rises to the occassion. He will win by strikes late in the 2nd. Then he will fight Fedor and I have no guess on that. Lesnar will be Kimbo’s first UFC fight. With Kimbo losing that one, he will become a homeless person and go to the Church of Rampage. They will become good friends and turn to Wrestling to continue their careers. Randy beats Big Nog Then fights one more and retires champ again. Lesnar wins a fight, then fights Big Nog for the vacant title. Lesnar wins. By that time Fedor is in the UFC. He fights Lesnar and destroys him. Fedor will then be champ. Lesnar and Big Nog fade away to be just PPV draws. Kimbo and Rampage go on to become cross-country 7-11 robbers. Randy becomes a commentator again. Fedor, with no HW to fight, goes back to Eastern Europe and becomes a Yetti tracker. Hoping to find one to fight. By the way, Chuck will still be LH champ!!!!
& Bisping will beat Anderson. HA!!
Would you mind giving me next weeks lottery numbers too?
Doesn’t sound as bad of a plot as another other recent MMA related movie…
Haha! Yeah, sounds like some plot is unfolding right now as we speak!!!
I was thinkin’ the exact same thing!
agree wit u. at first i was looking forward to the fight. but after giving it some thought, NOT ANYMORE. Stylisticly Randy is a smaller wrestler and that’ll just play into Brock’s strength. Brock is no Tim Sylvia, and there will be NOTHING Randy will be able to do after the first TD. No disrespect to Randy or his legacy. He had a great run but this fight is a BIG BIG MISMATCH and Brock could kill him (literally), and that wouldn’t be cool to see. I still think Kongo has the size and skills to have a chance at beating Brock standing. Randy’s next fight should be Fedor!
Well,This is interesting! I’m a HUGE Randy Couture fan.I would be so excited to see him back! A match with Lesnar though I think is a bad match for Randy.They both have the wrestling background but the size and power of Lesnar could be too much for Randy.Lets face it,Lesnar is a bull!I think Big Nog should be his first fight back.They have to settle the heavyweight belt.It leaves Frank Mir out though.Mir already said he would never fight Couture.Lets see Couture drop back to light heavyweight. I think there is so much more for him there.Now as far as Fedor.Its also a very tough fight for Randy,but I really want to see it.It would be a great fight.Make it happen Dana! I’m looking forward for the news ahead.It should be interesting!
You’re right Lesnar is as bad a matchup for Couture, but it will draw huge PPV numbers and it’s better for Couture to fight Lesnar now rather than later. Holland is right, all this stuff sounds pre-mature and off base. However, I do believe negotiations have been going on for sometime, with the case moving back to Las Vegas, Couture having to go through that legal process again, Couture’s October deadline is right around the corner, Couture n’ Fedor had dinner together recently to discuss what? Randy’s clock is ticking… White’s heavyweight division has been floundering and not until Brock and Nog’s recent wins has anything notable happened. But let’s not forget Dana White, I cant see him agreeing to the above scenerio, there would have to be a lot of twists n’ turns’ in a contract like that for White to see it through.
Don’t forget about the last “big announcement”, we got action figures!
I disagree with jesse holland saying that the UFC has a very worthy champion in Nogueira. Fedor beat him twice and he never beat the champion (randy) to get the belt. How can you say this when you are always so critical of griffin how did beat the champion (rampage)? Other than that I agree with most of what you wrote.
Nog is a worthy champion because he is 31-4-1, he has fought some of the best in the world and come on top, yes he lost to Fedor but that dosn’t mean he is not worthy of being a champion. And he’s ranked number 2 heavyweight in the world by most if not all people. Also he was suppose to fight Randy but Randy quit if you remember. So why disagree that he is not worthy. And when did Jesse Holland ever say Forrest wasn’t worthy of being a champion???
Excellent and also Nogueira has beaten every heavyweight that has defeated couture. Nog has stated many times that the reason he came to UFC is to face him since Couture couldn’t make it to the finals in the King of Kings tournaments.
He has been critical of forrest in some past articles. Maybe it wasn’t that good of point to bring it up in that case I was just tring to say something to back up my point. The fact is that no one can really say that Nogeria is the real champ with fedor and randy out there.
No need to respecfully disagree, just flat out tell him. He can take it. He may be shocked and curse your name, but he can take it…
He’s showing a little class…you should try it sometime…
Oh come on now, usually your insults are more veiled, your comments more pithy. I guess your brain is tired from the article, which was not bad by the way.
I enjoy seeing JH rumble with a blunt word for those that deserve it now n’ then… this site adopts a very small but steady stream of knuckleheads.
nice Holland, you moderate and don’t put my last comment, but let this newby’s comment through to make yourself look good.
theCloser, are you refering to me as a newbie?… if so u most only read your own threads… been around long time now.
why the hell would you come on someones website to talk trash? say something productive or informative or go to sherdog..
testing 1 2 3… testing… is this particular thread being moderated?
theCloser, ru refering to me as a newbie? If so, u must only focus on your own comments and oblivious to other postings… if u werent refering to me… ‘ooops’… my bad.
Thorazine first says:
why the hell would you come on someones website to talk trash? say something productive or informative or go to sherdog..
Then Thorazine says:
testing 1 2 3… testing… is this particular thread being moderated?
Sounds like someones contradicting themselves.
Fedor #1 p4p… ru smoking weed again?… I told u about that sh*t…I don’t know how u could confuse “MEDICINE BALLS” with “THORAZINE” name in the comments… look at the names knucklehead..lol
come on kids, it’s a thing we have dating way back, and he loves it (come on Holland, you know you love the attention), and was meant in jest, and between us. So everyone calm down…jeez , I remember in my day a few years ago when I started coming here…
theCloser,…calm, rational… hmmm… sounds like the impossible dream… btw “Thorazine” in top 20 all time commentators on this site… newbie? take it back! lol.
If he does come back, i dont think it make’s sense for him to fight brock lesnar. I mean the ufc doesnt have much to gain from this fight, if brock loses then another one of there upcoming heavyweights gets beaten down, and obviously brock doesnt deserve a title shot yet.
i dont think lesnar is a good matchup for couture, lesnar is a huge heavyweight while randy is a small heavyweight and i think brocks size will give him the advantage in the wrestling although randy is the more accomplished wreslter, i think this match up will be a huge success in with ppv buys but it will not help randy’s future at all i would like his first fight to be against nog for the title but nog is tied up with tuf and then frank mir, personally i dont wanna see brock as champion yet i think he has to beat one or two more top contenders atleast to make him a little more of a credible champ
Tim is just as large as Brock (but Tim has very little co-ordination…)
Tim has far more MMA training and MMA experience as well and Randy had no problem with him.
your right tim is big but lesnar is huge, tim is flabby brock is all muscle when brock and herring clinched up heath looked like a middle weight and heath is bigger then randy by a good 25 to 30 pounds, lesnar is faster than tim lesnar is stronger than tim and lesnar is a dominate wrestler who has the ability to overpower anybody in this game. Randy is the master of gameplanning and a great fighter but i think the size will be the determining factor and although randy might have better wrestling technique brock will be able to power out of it. I agree lesnar has only been doing mma for about 2 years but he is so athletically gifted i think he can learn quickly and his major weakness is submission and randy is not a submission wizard like mir and also i dont randy or any heavyweight for that matter can take a punch from brock, brock has landed two punches in his mma career and both of them have dropped his oppenent, to put it simply lesnar is a freak of nature and his huge size and strentgh give him a advantage over anybody in the world i am not a lesnar fan but i will not be suprise if lesnar becomes the best heavyweight mma fighter to ever step into the octagon.
matt, i didn’t mean to copy your post in my above comment. i didn’t read yours until now, but i agree with you 100%. this is not a fairy tale. Randy could get beaten retarded.
Lesnar would probably outweigh Randy by about 60 lbs come fight night.60 lbs weight diffrence is the like the equivalent of Randy facing a guy who fights at LW.Bad match-up for Randy,though i will be pulling for him all the way.
This is a tough match-up for Couture, but he’s fought big heavyweights before but not as strong or as skilled in takedowns as Lesnar. Couture is not going to stay in guard long, he’ll quickly and constantly look to stand back up. I think Couture will force Lesnar into his dirty boxing standup game.
Lesnar hasn’t been truly tested, with the exception of Mir’s ankle lock… and Lesnar quickly tapped. We all know Couture can handle a rough fight, but what will happen when Lesnar gets a buncha’ knees to the gut and elbows and punches to the face?…
I’d bet on Couture all the way, his experience and mental toughness prevails on a much less experienced Lesnar.
Simply put, Couture can’t impose his will on Brock and GNP his way to victory.
I see Brock by decision, Brock by TKO, or Randy by submission. Randy has had problems with bigger grapplers before.
Awesome as always Jesse. Plus they can make the Randy vs Fedor fight happen overseas later, where they are both loved. It will be huge. “Captain America” to “Corporate America” instant classic.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to have the Randy vs Fedor match first then Nog vs Randy to solidify the title. No disrespect to Randy or to Brock but if he losses to Brock he will lose credibilty for wanting to fight Fedor or Nog to solidify the title.
I’m a huge Randy fan, but I don’t see his style playing to good with Lesner. He would have to hold Lesner on the cage like he usaully does, Lesner is just to strong for that. Randy is good with game plans, he better have a good one here.
PLEASE GOD NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love Randy, and i know that this is the worst match up for him.
This is by far not his WORST match up, not even top 10 of them.
Hey Belfort Fan This is Nate.
I think it is a horrible match up my self its like putting Randy in there with A bigger Stronger younger version of himself, but Randy has the speed and subs on him, but I just don’t see him utilizing it.
Stick and Move the whold 3 rounds, and Randy has this fight in th bag…Randy will win, and this is the firt time i’ll even say “I told you so”
War Randy FTW
the only problem with that is brock is faster and quicker than randy, if randy is going to win this fight he better have the best gameplan he has ever thought of
I think this could be the biggest ppv ever…
im glad if this fight happens, how could brock go from beating herring at pretty much a wrestling matchup to fighting a guy herring beat by outwrestling? it would be shamelessly stupid that fight was announced basically to say brock was on the card with the intent of it only happening if this negotiation fell through
I would love for this fight to happen and lesnar beat couture into retirement
I don’t know why everyone is hating on Randy. Yes he is being a little bitch about his contract, but I know he can take Brock on. He has better wrestling, stand up, and movement. Brock has strength and weight. Also if you notice when Brock stands up with people he goes in straight at them. He doesn’t get angles at all and that is asking to get knockout.
I sure hope these rumors are true and Randy is back fighting again.
It seems as though people are taking for granted that Randy/UFC is signed, sealed, and delivered. As of now, it is still just rumor. Until Dana White says so in an interview or UFC.com breaks the news, I wont beleive till I see it
what happens when lesnar KOs randy??????? will he still get fedor? will it be worth while then?
dana is sitting down with the russians???? he better bring a bottle or two of vodka cause thats the only way you do business deals with russians (i live here and ink deals each week).
I asked the same earlier. If Randy losses he would lose the credibility to fight Fedor or Nog I would think.
I think that part of the deal will have to be that Randy is stripped of the title. He isn’t even really looked upon as the champion anymore. It is like when BJ Penn lost his title without losing. He came back, lost, but still got a title shot. I could see that happening with Randy if he fought Brock and then fought Big Nog. And as far as the fight with Fedor goes, think Chuck vs. Wandi. With losses, it didn’t make sense but it still happened because people wanted to see it. PLUS, if Randy loses, and beats Fedor, that will end the issues of wanting Fedor in the UFC. If Randy loses to Fedor, who cares? He is no longer a UFC fighter anyways Now if Randy beat Brock, then I say, bring Fedor in at all costs and make Randy his first fight. I still think that they should try to sign Fedor. He is a great fighter and it would essentially bring more heavyweights into the UFC. Like Barnett or Arlovski.
The questions that no one seems to be asking is will couture be coming back as HW Champ. Then why would Brock get a shot at the right teetle before Nog? Nog is ballsy enough to take fights back to back on november and december but would they let him do it? Will nog have to fight Brock for the real title? This whole thing is just sickening for any loyal Nog fans/Post-resignation “handy” haters like myself.
It would seem that Randy vs Fedor then Randy vs Nog(or Mir) would be the way to solve the title issue.
If this fight really happens Brock won’t be able to finish “The Natural”.
Randy said himself he only has about one big fight left in his career and that was over six months ago. Im not sure how he is going to pull off three huge fights.
Time off, the right training, team support, proper nutrition, and the fact that Randy is Mr. Fountain of Youth can provide surprising results. If I remember right Randy was a big underdog coming out of rerirement in his fight with Timmay, and again against the Croation Killer Gabe Gonzaga. I expect Couture to finish Lesner in the 3rd
If Randy fights Broc there will be no Fedor vs Couture because broc will destroy him. So Broc gets to jump leaps and bounds up the ladder after this second win vs a quality opponent putting him against Big Nog for the belt Nog will beat him easy enough. Which leaves the HW division in the ufc looking pretty shiity to say the least….But hey who knows maybe couture can get lucky and headbutt(crush brocs nose) like he did gonzaga and pull out a win, or maybe lightning will strike broc down as he enters the ring……
This is what i was thinking. It’s a win-win for the UFC. They would get a HUGE draw for the fight and they’d be crushing the legitimacy of the Fedor vs. Couture fight. I think the best Randy could possibly hope against either would be a decision loss. I’m not sure Broc will crush him, but I’m pretty sure he’ll lose.
So Brock will destroy Randy and Nog will beat Brock easily. You must think Nog is on a whole other level than Randy. Did you notice that Randy dominated Tim the WHOLE fight and Tim DOMINATED Nog the whole fight other than the sub at the end. Randy out struck Tim and Tim owned Nog in the stand-up. Tim has always been shitty at sub defence. Mir, AA and Fedor all subbed him in a matter of SECONDS. Randy has been subbed early in his career when he was just a wrestler, but now it’s a different story. He fought to a draw in a grappling match, with what many consider the best submissionist in the game. Randy will out strike Nog and out wrestle him and likely win a decision (nobody finishes Nog). However, you might be right about Brock, Randy usually has a wrestling advantage and I wouldn’t bet on Randy out wrestling the big ape. It’s hard enough to deal with the strength of a guy Lesnars size, but when you add the fact that he has the speed of a WW, it’s a nightmare.
i think this fight will happen but i think randy is smart enough to beat brock but against fedor i don’t think so.
Randy is dead meat.
I would like to see Brock on his back though and see how he handles it…
This is the wierdest rumor to date with to many what if’s!
IT doesn’t make any sense even with the most recent Randy interviews with him stating he’s got one fight left only,
not 3.
this is bull but i guess they gotta write sumthing
Lets put Gonzaga vs. Lesnar! and Couture vs. Big Nog!
i like that.
That is the way it should be
what the hell is randy thinking lesnar is a BAD MATCH UP for him real bad lesnar cuts to get to 265 and will be around 285 on fight night randy will be giving up close to 70 lbs not to mention a significant reach disadvantage as well.
I dont care how inexperienced lesnar is when your that massive it is a major advantage unless your fighting fedor.
Randy vs nog is a much better match up for randy. There both the same size. Nogs takedowns are becoming more and more telegraphed and are not set up well hes been in one to many wars. tim destroyed him on the feet while randy picked tim apart in the stand up. I think randy could out box nogeria and kepp the fight away from the matt.
And just like some one else said randy would have everything to lose in a fight with lesnar.
i agree 100%…
ZUFFA almost has to do that, legally Couture is the UFC HW Champ… Big Nog is legally the Interim HW Champ… if Couture vs. Lesnar happened and by some miracle Lesnar won, legally his 4th professional fight would make him the UFC HW Champ… which basically skips Big Nog…
That said, both are fights I’d like to see. I think Gonzaga’s style matches up very closely with Lesnar. When Couture beat Gonzaga Randy even said “Gabe’s a lot stronger than me, its a good thing i got that cut, I think it distracted him so I could start to fight my fight”
Gonzaga vs. Lesnar is a fight I want to see.
Couture vs. Big Nog is a little bit of a gimmie fight for Couture… I see Captain America dominating him. Welcome back to the UFC Randy!!
I smell fish…
Let’s think about this for a minute… Randy left the UFC because he felt he wasn’t being respected, wasn’t receiving his share of profit (i.e. video games, ppv buys, merchandise etc etc…) he then said he has very little left to prove in this sport and he’d consider coming back to the UFC if they signed Fedor and paid them both 3,000,000 for the fight. RANDY EVEN TURNED DOWN NOGUEIRA!!!! That said, Lesnar may not have the skills but nonetheless has the star power to make this fight a blockbuster money making fight.
I think Randy is a little more accomplished, has a little more experience and has proven himself to be top 2, if not THE best heavyweight fighter in the world than to have to fight a name like Brock Lesnar (the UFCs up and coming freak show turned pro… see Elite XC and Kimbo Slice)
Also, and my MAIN ARGUMENT that this report is a fraud… the UFC still considers Randy Couture as their Heavyweight champion. Does this mean Lesnar’s 4th professional fight is going to be a title shot? Does that make sense to you? Why would Lesnar get a title shot when Nogueira is considered the Interim Heavyweight Champion (ala defeating Tim Silvia?).. This whole report makes ZERO sense.
The only fight the makes sense for Randy right now is Fedor. If I was the brass at Zuffa… I’d offer Randy a sizeable contract to come back and fight Noguiera November 15th at UFC 91. The way I’d sell that fight is “You beat Nog and I sign you and Fedor for 3,000,000 each for a superbowl mega fight” (which already includes GSP vs. Penn and possibly Hughes vs. Serra)… think of the ppv buys and the gate revenue for that event!!! Huge money… and that way Dana White and the UFC can do the honourable thing get Randy his two fights, he wants to sign a new 3 fight deal.. sure, throw in brock lesnar in the 3 spot for good measure get that over with and have him go out in style so UFC fans remember him as the great fighter and champion he was, as Captain America not as some traitor.
How can you even compare Lesnar to Kimbo?
Brock is a four time NCAA champ.
I beleive it was said up a little further, that I dont beleive there is any HW that can take to many punches from this guy. With his size and wrestling background anyone would be hard pressed to try to get this guy off his feet.
(and stupid). If Lesnar developed a decent stand-up game. SCARY
I do not think Randy is a number one or 2 HW fighter in the world. Randy has not even beat a top five contender in the HW group. Why does everyone consider him a top 5 HW? His greatest success has been at LHW, not at HW. He beat an ailing Sylvia and a very young Gonzaga. When he gets a win against a Big Nog, Josh Barnett, Fedor, or an Arlovski. I know sherdog has him #3, but how by beating Sylvia. Sylvia was considered laughable by almost everyone on these boards and other MMA Promotions when he was fighting in the UFC. But he is game enough to give Randy a #3 Ranking? Shouldn’t Randy have to beat Nog, Sylvia, Barnett, or Fedor to be top 5? Does beating Sylvia really make hima top 3? That is crazy in my mind anyway.
As far as Lesnar vs. Couture, I really hope Lesnar steam rolls his money grubbing ass. He went from Capt. America to Capt. Financial in 2 fights, had little regard for the fans, and tried to play us all for idiots, and he disrespected a humble Big Nog by saying he has nobody worth(anything to prove) fighting in the UFC. I hope Lesnar ends his career in the most professional of ways of course. AS a fan of MMA since the original Ultimate Fighting Championship in Nov. 93, Randy Couture as fighter, has left a seriously bad taste in my mouth. Yes he helped catapault this sport to where it is today, but as much as he has done for the sport, the sport has done even more for him.
I think Randy needs to settle for nothing less than Big Nog, and Lesnar should fight Gonzaga then if he wins Werdum, I don’t know if Brock can beat Gonzaga, Gonzaga has good stand up and a good BJJ game, and he is also a big boy, who won’t lay down for Lesnar. He might be the right man to stop Lesnar, but I would like to see Lesnar win cause I havn’t liked Gonzaga eversince he beat Mirko. I also think Mirko or Gary Goodridge should fight Kimbo instead of Ken I just think it would be a much cooler fight and if they are going to put him up against older fighters they might as well make it good.
Gonzaga wont lay down for Lesnar but Lasnar will force him to!!…. crocops supposed to be fighting alistair ovvereem!! sweet fight. 10 bucks on overeem.
Your on I am going to be racking up that money and by the way lets make it 15 seeing as I am going to be taking the Leben v. Bisping fight.
Who cares.
U should not talk with a name like punk rock scott this isn’t a music blog idiot.
The only reason dana would let couture fight lesnar is because couture will get murdered. couture has no ability to fight on the ground with this guy. dana will get vindicated for couture acting like an ass and telling lies. then couture goes to the bottom of the pecking order. fedor would have no incentive to fight couture. however if captain america somehow beats lesnar he is once again in the drivers seat. i personally would rather see lesnar vs. fedor anyway.
why how many time does Fedor have to beat the freakishly large people to show that size and reach don’t matter when he fights.
Brock Lesnar would win via KO the speed and power is outstanding.. and if they went to the ground it sure as hell would be Lesnar on top! It’s all about money and the contracts that they get to fight.. If the $$ is right u can get whatever you want and i hope Dana realizes that and opens the wallet!
Weeks ago I posted a couple of times that legally speaking Couture had no choice but to return to the UFC and that Lorenzo Feretitta might “go all out” to get Fedor inorder to help to facilitate the UFC’s worldwide expansion (even if some Red Devil fighters were involved). Could I be right??
DID U GUYS NOT SEE WHEN RICCO RODRIGUEZ WAS ROBBED OF THE FIGHT WITH NOG IN PRIDE!
LOOK at the fight and then tell me that NOG is as great as u think HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAtch IT. IT’s INcredible
I’m Drinking the Natural right now what a cowisadicnce, yea have no ideea how to spell it give me shit all you want.Having a hell of a wk,First redeployment then not.Then Woke up this morning to find out my buddy Adam Long Had passed away as a result of a helacopter crash You can see him fight on youtube by the way it’s a sad day ,God bless him,then My brother in law was at lake of the ozarks,and his drunk friend pushed him out of a moving boat cutting his arm from his arm pit to his wrist cutting his artariy,and has nerve damage. Pray for bothof em please any way. I hope Randy comes back,i just don’t think he will be that big of a factor anymore,sorry to say ,but say he does lose this fight does he still fight Fedor,and what if he goes 0-2 where does that leve his legacy. i dont know just thinking not a smart move,To sign that fight.
Puhleeze Mania. It’s not like Couture left because of some greater cause. He was unhappy because he wasn’t getting paid enough and he wasn’t going to get the Fedor fight! Once he gets those things there’s nothing that isn’t congruent. Let’s face it, they’re both money grubbing liars. We all are in a way.
Agreed…….. I know everyone else would disagree but I think Lesnar would actually be the one who would shock the world in that fight. I know Fedor has fought the “freakishly large” people and has pretty much made everyone look like they were middle school cheerleaders but Lesnar isn’t just a freak he is proving himself to be force to be reckoned with. You can’t put Hong man Choi in the same category as Brock. Don’t get me wrong Fedor is a bad s.o.b. but I think Lesnar would be his poison.
by the way that was a reply to “day1er” and some how it ended up here
I agree, Lesnar stands out from all the other huge men, because he is extremely quick, but anyone going up against Fedor without sub defence, will be tapping in the 1st.
Wow Jesse . . . That’s an “original quote” – where did I see that over two weeks ago? Possibly from here:
MMA Quick Quote: Couture wants 6-10 million to face Emelianenko
By: Jesse Holland
Comment by TheProfessor
2008-08-14 09:19:16
“Captain America” is now “Corporate America”. Greed, lack of Integrity, and has lost my respect forever. I was a HUGE Randy fan, but now I wouldn’t pi$$ on him if he was on fire . .
Actually it is an “original quote”. I first used it in my Couture post last October when some of Randy’s financial information was revealed.
http://mmamania.com/2007/10/28/he-said-she-said-happy-anniversary-from-the-coutures/
For someone who calls himself “The Professor” I would expect you to be a little more diligent in your research.
Now go get your F’ing shine box.
Hahahahhahahahaahha Shine box better hope he’s not the joe pesci in this situation.hate to not know where jessie is tommrow nite.
DOH . . . I just got “TOLD”!!
Okay, I’m Man enough to admit it. Serves me right for calling you out on that and thinking that I “thought of it” first. My apologies – I’ll never question you again Bud.
Damn! Now I have to change my screename to “Spitshine Tommy”!!! I’m going home to get my F’ing shine box Billy . . I mean Jesse!!
If it makes you feel any better, Batts got his in the end…
my guess would be tko wim for lesnar, he will outwrestle the smaller couture and gnp him until the ref stops it. what a great fight tho if it does go ahead. good matchmaking
HAhahahha NURSE (leving Las Vegas) hhahha
again randy couture will; be underdog, so remember that couture is always done better in that position as a underdog than being the favor in the fight, so i picked couture if this fight happens
GROUNDENDPOUND! TIKEYO!
too bad for you.. since his chance of winning must be about 1%
You can’t be serious. You can’t see Randy submitting or ground and pounding Lesnar out? Or even beating him in the stand up? Randy dropped Tim Sylvia with that right when he returned. Randy is great with game plans. Plus he helped train Heath Herring against Brock. He can probably see what went wrong and what he can do to beat Brock. I am a big Brock Lesnar fan, but you can’t count out The Natural.
Not a big vote of confidence that he trained herring against lesnar….HH got mauled. I would never count Randy out. I think his experience will definitely keep lesnar scared of being submitted but that is it. I would like to see Randy try to bully Lesnar up against the fence like he normally does. He probably wont get he chance cause he will be on his back, but I still just feel that everybody is counting lesnars punching ability out without any good reason. The man hits like a ton of bricks. Fine fine Randy beat up timmy but tim is a sloath, brock is a monster big difference. Lesnar will be faster than randy, we dont even need to mention strength advantage, and size….. I think randy will hit the octagon about 225 and lesnar about 280. Lesnar will man handle Randy. Randy will spend most of the fight trying to keep lesnar off him on the ground. He will spend himself trying to submit lesnar which brock will just power out of and then when he is tired as most fighers his age get brock will pound him out……HARD.
Well, looks like the Coture vs Fedor fight will never happen because he will get pounded by Brock. This is a guys who can fight at 205 or HW…….
He isn’t gonna drop Brock with a lucky punch, he’ll have to beat him with his skills and he’s not gonna body lock a guy like brock and take him down and ground and pound. His only hope would be a submission out of his ass.
Randy Coture- GAME OVER.
Lesnar will be the best heavy weight soon! he should and i believe will fight Fedor! I think Randy couldnt beat lesnar! i feel sorry for Frank Mir as Lesnar will hurt him in a rematch!
Brock vs. Fedor! It would be a great fight! Brock would really need alot of work with submission defense.He could stand with Fedor,but it would end for Brock when they went to the ground.I do think Randy would beat Big Nog,and He would match up better against Fedor then Lesnar.If it happens in a cage it will better the odds for Randy.I hate the ring!Thats a big Affliction downfall! I wish Dana could bring Fedor to the UFC!
Dare I say it….. Lesnar will take this fight no problems.
the mania writers are gettin a lot of hate these days. anywho, how the hell could randy ever beat lesnar, sub maybe… maybe. sorry if im copying someones comment but randys a wrestler, brock however is ten times the wrestler. hes way too strong to outwrestle! somebody take a picture of randys face, might be worth some money after it gets destroyed.
Agree. Brock’s way too big and strong and is easily as good a wrestler as Randy. Brock will out-wrestle him to the mat then pound out a victory, be it points or TKO.
is this fight for real or just another idea and dream match up ?
I like Lesnar and wouldn’t want him to take on such an experienced match up so early in his mma career..maybe after a couple of more wins…over Gonzaga, Kongo…
brock lesnar is the next heavyweight champ, he can beat anyone in the heavyweight division, so for all of you haters, lesnar is on his way to the topppppppppppppppppppp.
lesnar will destroy couture if they fight probably by ko and than will fight the winner of nog and mir
God… I hate Lesnar and Lesnar fans. He is the EXACT opposite of a MMA fighter should be. He is a circus show. If you like watching a 300+ pnd man lay on someone and give up DOMINATE positions, you are qualified as a MMA idiot. Please, rewatch his match with the Crazy Horse, count how many times he gives up dominant positions just so he lay on top and feel comfortable. After watching his fight if you still enjoyed it, please consider attending the next circus show in your area. You will be sure to LOVE that cause you are an idiot. Brock is a joke, most boring fighter i’ve seen.
That was spoken like a true Herring fan. It is called stragety. Sticking with your strengths. He needed to win or his career would of been over. He made sure he won. His fight with Mirr was definitely not boring although short. As he learns I feel he will pound many people out. Hopefully if the Randy fight will happen and then lesnar will be pushed and I feel it will be very exciting. He needed a win, he knew he had it in the bag and for his 3rd fight ever to beat someone with as much experience as herring he did what he had to do. Your one of those people who is saying he layed and prayed. I dont think lesnar knows subs and that he does need to learn but he was kneeing the crap out of herring. He was maintaining his position while still doing damage. You need to watch the fight again and actually think like a fighter not a fan.
Think like a fighter? haha Giving up two of the most dominant positions 4-5 times is not thinking like a fighter, that’s fighting like an idiot cause you dont know what the f*ck your doing. Every fight i’ve been in I fight for those positions (full mount, or the back) and when you have the you NEVER give them up.
No, i’m not a Herring fan, but I was very impressed on how good of shape he was in.
Your acting like every fighter has to be a BJJ Black belt. He dominated Herring. Strikes to the face, takedowns at will, knees to the body, striking while herring was turtled like a bitch(eventhough you admired his physique). Lesnar dominantly controlled the fight. Do I think he should learn subs to be able to finish a fight, absolutely. I also believe he will. The fact remains that without this knowledge he made herring look like a amateur. By the way you do give up dominant position if you feel it that advancing from that position will get you switched or leave you vulnerable. If you have an opponents back but your too high your in a dominant position but are very open to falling into a submission or ending up in on your back. I am not saying lesnar is on the same level as other MMA fighters when it comes to this, but everyone will have serious trouble with his game. This includes Randy who will be giving up too much size, strength, youth, and speed to win this fight.
JUST MADE OFFICIAL…..LESNAR V. COUTURE WILL HAPPEN AT UFC 91!!!!
Luke , Joey, and all those who are against Randy: Randy has been the underdog with bunch of his fights , Tito Ortiz for example bcause again comments of his age and dominated Tito and even play spanked him. Over and over Randy has proven himself a very very skillfull fighter and coming from an elderly man just leaves my Jaw on the floor. It is gonna be a very tough fight because of Lezner’s weight but if you see some of Randy’s fights he has picked up and slammed down fighters with 40 pounds over him which i found incredible. Again Lezner is actualy agile for his weight so he is no pushover and his endurance training is something to think about. A big guy who trains long endurance excerciss. No doubt Randy is in for a fight but man I will be on Randy’s Corner that’s for sure. Gotto love the Underdog cuz he always ready to face the odds!!
OK so let me get this right…brock wins his first fight in ufc (anyone know who) comes in against a proven fighter ex champion frank mir in where his (lesnar) inexperience was brought to light when mir nearly tore of his (lesnar) leg. Then lesnar fights a worn out hired gun in heath herring who was never really much more than that (one of my fav fighters but still) but couldnt finish the fight when herring was clearly crumpled and unwilling to go on. Right lesnar totally deserves this fight lol cmon get real ACTUAL mma fans want to see the best possible match ups possible and this isnt it. If lesnar is as dedicated as he states then why has he been play fighting with vince mcmahon other than putting in the time,effort and heart into mma? I know once apon a time lesnar was a college wrestling stand out but thats sometime ago and its not nearly the same as actual mma. Many fighters in the heavy weight div. have much better resume than lesnar along with records as well consecutive win streaks. In my opinion this is an attempt by dana white to fill seats and seel the ppv audience which will no doubt work and is a great selling fight but lesnar has by far done anything to prove to the actual mma fan that he deserves a title shot at this point. Plus i think the talk that lesanr will beat chuck in part to due with his youth lol cmon first randy is simply a freak second lesnar himself is in his mid 30’s not much youth there….RANDY WINS IN 2ND BY SUB.
Let’s just say that the UFC can get their hands on Fedor in 6 months. And let’s just say that the winner of Lesnar/Couture beats the winner of Mir/Nog. Who doesn’t want to see Randy fight Fedor? And frankly, no matter what you think the outcome might be, who doesn’t want to see Lesnar fight Fedor even more so?
what’s wrong with this sentance?
:
But let us proceed with caution, because contracts are an ugly business. A verbal offer is worth as much as the paper it’s printed on. And “negotiations” are worth even less.
there is not really such thing as a single fighter that can beat anyone all the time. Fedor might be arguably the best (sorry Dana) but he’s not invincible. I think barnett, arlovski,werdum,gonzaga,and nog III would all be a threat. I admit i thought tim might have something tough. who knows if it would have played out differently on a different night….
brock is awesome at smothering people. Herring while highly skilled tends to turtle. that ifhgt was very boring and i can’t say i was impressed with lesnar, more unimpressed with herring that particular night.
Even at his age I will be surprised if Couture doesn’t become a
nightmare for Lesnar.
we all have been hearing the size advantage for lesnar. howeer couture_
-has understanding to say the least of brocks best skill – wrestling.
- MMA experiance – he knows all about rock vs paper vs scissors
-’dirty’ frikkin shit like how to give you a charlie horse+, break your nose so you can’t breath
- oh, he can punch in stand up.
-brock got one in during stand up but for 3 rounds coulnd’t strike standing *true he din’t have to or bother.
but he punches like a girl kind of.
kicks
yea i pick couture to get all savage on brocks ass. methodical savage.
brocks is relentless tough i’ll give him that.
if i was randy i’d wanna end it at the first chance
I do not understand why people are so high on Randy Couture. Dont get me wrong I think he is a great fighter, but everyone acts as if he is in a league of his own. Truth be told Fedor would destroy Randy. Randy’s most impressive performance in the heavyweight division was against Gonzaga and I believe Gonzaga was just star struck for some reason. People Couture has a 65% win ratio in his fights that is not good. Who has he beaten lately………………nobody cause he hasnt fough in over a year. He just sat around and got older. Even with this I think he will give Lesnar a hard run as he does put together great game plans, but if anyone thinks his 45 year old, hasnt fought in a year and and a half, giving up 60 pounds, giving up speed, giving up reach, not having a wrestling advantage, will be taken down at will, not the best on his back with submissions ass is going to win this fight easily you need to stop thinking of him as this great deal and realize that he is a great fighter that put himself in great positions to win some titles and lost over a third of the fights he was in. You need to see him as a fighter who has bought his own hype and believes that he is owed more than what he is worth to the sport.
To everyone that thinks Couture will loose to Lesnar, I want to add my two cents. What everyone is forgetting is that the UFC is about fighting and is not a contest of strength.
The fact that Lesnar is big fast and strong is not the primary factor. The fact that he is not a very good fighter should be what people look at. Couture is a VERY good fighter, who happens to be large enough for heavyweight.
Look what Mir did to Lesnar for example. People might say, well he was just caught. I answer that to say, yes he was caught in a fighting move that would have ended Lesnar’s walking days.
I predict Couture will handle the big strong fast Lesnar with fighting techniques just like he has done with greater opponents in the past. Couture is on top for a reason, and it has everything to do with his ability to fight.
Just like when Chuck beat Couture with kempo striking techniques at a time when Couture was the bigger man, Couture will train in fighting techniques that are effective against Lesnar. Lesnar on the other hand will train to be in good shape as an athlete.
I think Lesmar will be the better athlete while Couture will be the better fighter.
Couture was bigger than Chuck by how much 15 maybe 20 pounds? We are talking 55 to 60 pounds Couture to Lesnar. I agree that technique has a lot to do with Randy’s success he is a great wrestler, but so is lesnar.
Randy on top, please. NOG will crush Randy given the chance. I dont even think Randy could beat Mirr at this stage and since you brought that up yes lesnar was submitted by the third best true heavyweight with subs in the world, Fedor 1st, NOG 2nd. News flash the same would happen to Randy. I know, I know Randy beat Timmy, as would all fighter mentioned in this post being Fedor, NOG and Lesnar. Randy did beat Gonzaga which was his best heavyweight win IMO, but that was a while ago and eventhough people dont like to admit it Gonzaga was a much better match up for Randy than Lesnar.
Randy is not in the same league in submissions as Mirr period. Thinking that he will sub Lesnar… For Randy’s sake I hope so. If Lesnar has improved his game all Randy is in serious trouble. Now people are saying if it goes to the 4th or 5th Randy has it in the bag as Lesnar will get winded. I have one response to that. 45 years old people. Anyone thinking that Randy will not get winded at 45 years old, not fighting for a long long stretch, and being taken down at will by Lesnar do remember who we are talking about. The 15 – 8 Randy Couture. Randy’s true legacy is being a good fighter, a better business man, a good game planner, and a person who used to be really close friends with Dana White that got to pick his fights(Many of Randy’s title matches happened after he lost the previous fight).
Randy Coture is a great fighter, he has proven it time and time again. Brock Lesnar is an untested fighter. He fought Frank Mir and was submitted. Lesnar fought Heath Herring and was taken the whole distance. He was not tested by Herring because Herring is a one skill fighter, punchng no submissions. All Lesnar could do was hold Herring down and punch, no sub-mission attempts at all. Randy Coture is a multi-leveled fighter. He knocked down six foot eight, 289 lbs Tim Silvia with one punch. Coture has submitted, out wrestled, out cardioed, out punched and just basically out hearted most of the lightweight and heavyweight class old and new. Can he match Lesnar’s strength? That is the question everybody should be asking. If Lesnar hits him with the 3XXXL hand can Coture withstand that kind of punch? Chuck Liddel has a 2XXL hand and he KOd Coture twice. If Lesnar gets Coture on the mat, will Coture have the strength to push Lesnar off? Probably not, but I sure hope he does, because no matter what has happened in the courtroom, Coture has come to fight every single time he stepped into the octagon and for that alone he deserves respect from all of us arm-chair quarterbacks.
Everybody knows that “the natural” is an excellent mma artist. Brock lesnar everybody knows is still a baby to mma, he’s only had 3 professional fights. When you compare the two each one has his advantages and disadvantages for example Couture easily has more Cardio and his submission game is by far better than Lesnar’s but at the same time Lesnar’s wrestling skills are so much better and when it comes to power Couture is no match compared to lesnar. So skill wise each one has something over one another but when it comes down to it Couture has the advantage because he has fought many men the same size or bigger than Lesnar and knows what to expect. The only chance Lesnar has in this fight is if he out wrestles couture and pounds his opponents on the ground like he did with herring and mir (eventhough he lost by submission) that would be the only chance he has. Other than he stands no chance and couture will easily put lesnar away.
you guy’s really think brock lesnar is better then randy i still think randy won that fight deep down and lesnar dont deserve a title shot soo early in his career it was only 2 fights he won and he got a title shot. Randy has more expirience and is a much better stand up fighter before i seen this fight i thought brock would destroy randy but seeing he survived at least a round and cut up brock i realized randy is a better fighter brock just got a lucky hit and he has all the advantages his size and power plus he ben taking steroids for years when he was on the wwe thats kind of unfair but brock did do a good job winning the fight im surprised he didnt finish quicker i hope they have a rematch if they do im pretty sure randy would win there was 5 rounds 5 minutes each brock was tired on the second round soo think if randy survived brock would gas out by the end of the third round and randy could of finished him off i hope they have a rematch.