The only people who i want Fedor to fight are Barnett and Arlovski.

Can’t get excited about anything else, not even Randy.

When it comes to Brock, yeah there is a shed load of potential there but needs YEARS of work. Thing is he sells PPV so i bet the UFC will rush him towards the title.

My concern with Brock is the fact that he appears to me to be very arrogant and might be difficult to teach. I mean what was his BJJ coach thinking when Brock constantly had HH’s back and didn’t even think about flattening him out and putting the hooks in.

Why bother coaching someone who ‘knows best anyway’.

Thats why people like Forrest, Florian and GSP have come on so much, they want to learn.

I think Brock will only improve so much, he will never be anywhere near the level of King Fedor (or Nog for that matter).

Brock Lesnar is never going to be able to develop the level of BJJ defense that he would need in a fight with Fedor or Nog.

Of course, Brock would have no problems getting either of them to the ground, however, once there, he will be getting submissions thrown at him left and right.

What Brock should be working on most:

- BJJ Defense
- Brutal Ground and Pound Offense
- Limited Offensive BJJ moves = chokes and possibly arm locks from the mount.
- Stand Up

With Brock’s size, strength, and wrestling background, I don’t see ANY HW being able to stop his takedown attempts. If he wants the fight on the ground, it will be on the ground. That is why I have stand up at the bottom of his “must learns”. Of course he needs to be working on it, but if he can put those few things together he can be a SERIOUS force to be reckoned with.

The main problem is that while Nog is champ, I don’t see Brock ever beating him. There is not enough time for Brock to learn how to avoid submissions from a world class BJJ guy for 25 minutes. Nog would catch him, just like he has cought everyone else (except Fedor) who had boat loads more training than Brock.

Brock will definitely brutalize Nog with ground and pound before he gets caught. It’s just a matter of time. Just like the MIr fight. The thing is, will Brock still be dumb enough to get caught in submissions like those from Mir[who is a great JJ specialist]. I believe that with improved takedown defense, he’ll eventually be the HW champ…The only ones who could defeat Brock are Mir[leg lock] and Hulk Hogan[leg drop].

I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to dismiss Brock’s ability to learn BJJ defense. He’s just as capable as anyone else to become great at BJJ. I also think it’s WAY too premature to say whether or not Brock will be a champion. He’s had THREE professional fights. Give the man a chance. I would say the same thing about Kimbo too, but it’s pretty obvious that Brock is going to be a much better fighter then Kimbo. It’s pretty clear that Brock is very motivated to be a great fighter.

I don’t think that Brock will ever become great at BJJ but if he is able to learn just enough to defend himself from it, then watch out. Also, I could see him beating Nog. He would have to go about it strategically of course. I mean that he would need to work on his stand up non stop and keep the entire fight standing. (he could use his background in wrestling for good take down defense) The ONLY time that he would go for a takedown is at the end of each round. If he were to do this, I could see him taking the title from Nog.

I agree, but coming from a wrestling background he should be more comfortable with BJJ after 2 yrs. careful, or he’ll end up missing opportunities to finish a fight and somebody’s gonna’ connect with a few HARD shots.

Hopefully Bock VS Gonzaga next.

I’m thinking that Brock needs to fight someone like Kongo next. Then Gonzaga if he beats Kongo.

I agree. Kongo then Gonzaga.

Absolutely. Those are matches in order that make sense.

wtf? so ur saying fedor is weak because he would win w JJ?? let me say it again…hes weak because he would WIN within a specific trade??? holy****

Did you not read my comment right? Fedor only fought Hong Man Choi cause theres no JJ game. He took the fight with Tim cause theres no JJ game. So Fedor saying hed like to fight Brock is WEAK! Now do you understand my comment?

“He took the fight with Tim cause theres no JJ game.”

and then beat him down with strikes?

understand this…FEDOR fought the best BJJ heavyweight in noguera a couple of times, so if ur implying he takes fights because he has an advantage in JJ, then try again!

If your going to jump in aa, atleast know what your talking about! It was a choke (and a weak one at that) that finished the fight, not strikes!

to you, and everyone who still doubts… ALL HAIL KING FEDOR!!!!

JV: I’m pretty sure aa was implying that Fedor “beat him down” with strikes, not necessarily that he finished him with strikes, since that isn’t what he said. The fact that he outstriked Sylvia is the point.

Your argument that Fedor only takes fights with challengers who lack in departments he’s adept in is garbage. Why? Because when you’re discussing a fighter like Fedor who is EXTREMELY good at most aspects of the sport, it’s almost a given that his challengers will be inferior in some aspect or another.
Would you say Anderson Silva only fights guys with inferior striking ability? Sure you could, because NO ONE has the striking ability he does. Making sense yet?

Blah raised a valid point with Big Nog, which you simply refuse to admit, and I find it amusing how when anyone disagrees with your crap opinions you get extremely defensive instead of acknowledging any merit in their comment. LSE issue, kid?

What do you mean defensive??? I wasnt being rude to anybody? Your opinion is just as good as mine. Your the one calling me a kid. And asking me “does it make sense” Its not a secret that Im not a fan of Fedor. But i dont question his overall game. I question his lack of fighting quality opponents. Tim, Nog, Cro-cop are the only ones that are credible. Every other fighter like Hunt, Randleman, and Coleman had no JJ game. Then the rest are either LHW’s or MW’s. Does that make sense to you? You wouldnt expect for Anderson to say hell fight a guy with 3 MMA fights right? Just look at the Fedor/Arona fight without being biased cause your a fan and tell me who won?

“The rest are either LHW’s” You are aware that when he fought Arona and Babalu it was at HW and both of those guys are bigger then Fedor is. Babalu fought the first stages of his career at HW. Fedor is easily a natural LHW.
And Fedor won the Arona fight. It was in Rings which didnt even allow Fedor’s best tool, his ground and pound to the head, and he still won. It amazing the lengths that people go to discredit Fedor.
Randy’s best wins at HW: Randleman, Rizzox2, Sylvia, Gonzaga, Kohsaka
Fedor’s best wins at HW: Colemanx2, Randleman, Nogx2, Sylvia, Cro Cop, Kohsaka

The fighter with the most qulaity wins at HW got dominated by Fedor twice.

jV: u sound silly in this debate!

I don’t think that JV actually believes Fedor is garbage or anything, JV isn’t new to MMA. But I think that what he is saying is Fedor is calling out a rookie who has no JJ because he knows that when it hits the ground(when Brock decides to take it there) he will do the same as Mir and submit him quick. He knows it is an easy fight right now and he will get rich quick.

John, LMAO’… JV is off the Hook Today!
“In MMA dreamland” If there’s eventually a Champ like Brock Lesnar… Affliction and the UFC should agree to 2 fights. 1 with Affliction in a Ring and 1 with UFC in a cage.

If it’s a split, UFC and Affliction renegotiates who’ll get the final fight.

Who should host the 1st Fight?.. by the time Couture is done with his legal matters and gets a crack at either one of these guys, he’ll be 47 yrs.

Thanks jay, thats exactly what I was saying. Ofcourse Fedor is not garbage, hes at the top of the HW food chain. But its stupid for him to even mention Brock, seeing as how Brock only has 3 fights!!!

Thorazine, if Brock were to ever become HW champ, then Fedor making those comments would make sense. That would mean Brock will have his game good enough for JJ and JJ defense.

Fedor wasn’t “calling out” Lesnar, he simply answered a question that was asked to him. Don’t take things out of context.

That annoys me when a fighter is simply answering a question he has been asked and people just jump all over him. To JV, if Fedor had said that he did not want to fight Brock, would you still not have said he was weak for not wanting to fight him?.

Fedor does fight good competition, it is just Japanese people love freakshow matches, and since he was fighting in Japan (and they were after money), he fought in freakshow matches. He has still beaten Nogx2 (2nd ranked), Cro Cop (8th ranked), and Tim Sylvia (4th ranked). If he beats Randy (3rd ranked) and AA/Barnett (5th ranked), which he intends to, I will hopefully quit hearing bitching.

He got reversed 5 seconds after it happened, didnt have time to panic

Yep i second that… ha ha mania, even Fedor’s talking about it.

Just trying to find the logic there is all….I guess everyone gets a free “dumb pass” every now and then.

great point!

true..i remember reading that a few days ago….i knew posts were moderated ie: excessive trolling, cursing, disrespect…but if a guy wants to discuss Fedor vs. Brock, its just one guys opinion…

and here’s Fedor saying he’d like that fight…

Hmm…that was a bit hypocritical on mania’s part. Maybe Jesse just hasn’t had the chance to delete Mania’s post.

I also was chagrined to find that non-controversial / non-offensive comment was being suppressed on this site.
I thought this was a forum for open discussion on MMA.
Although I also think the subject matter was ridiculous, Fedor vs Lesnar, evidently the writer had an interest. Perhaps others would too.
I don’t need anyone telling me what I should read or what my opinions should be.
Shame, shame, shame.
Save the censorship for the truly offensive and not for the writers who don’t agree with your vision.

thanks! i do try. usually my miss-spells or typos are from typing to fast.(i cant even really type, just 1 finger at a time, ha!).

Aaaw, b.w., you were doing so well and then you wrote “to” instead of “too”. Now watch my post have some errors in it as well as I’m writing about spelling!

he.he. typed 2 fast! anyway, USA TODAY has an interview with fedor today and he states that he would be interested in fighting KIMBO SLICE if he was available and if thats what the fans want. what fans would want to see that fight besides the obvious novice fan. i dont think he realizes that the american fans dont like mis-matches like the japanese fans do.

Yeah b.w., I would DEFINITELY love to see just this one mismatch so Kimbo could get knocked on his head! He’d get b_ slapped back to YouTube. For one, I don’t know that Elite XC would ever allow Kimbo to fight Fedor. Second, I don’t know if the fight would ever be sanctioned for fear of Kimbo’s untimely death!lol Good find on the article.

HA Fedor VS. Kimbo. HA. Brock vs. Fedor would be much better but also a killing.

i think fedor should fight Brock and randy at the same time,to keep it interesting

LOL and the rules should be -only left hand and leg for Brock and only right for Randy. P.S. thought about it for a second, Fedor might pull this off, jeez

yeah Fedor should fight them both in a handicap match with barbed wire in the hell in a cell. Just for fun throw in some thumbtacks and broken glass or exploding ring ropes.

I like the way you think

Randy DOES deserve the beating! Maybe it would teach him a lesson about being a greedy little b*tch and “resigning” from a contract. He signed the frickin’ contract, therefore he should honour it!

IF Randy fulfilled the final 2 fights on his UFC contract and lost the first one to Nog, there is no other opponent in the UFC that I would want to see Randy face more than Brock Lesnar in that last fight.

Randy’s body will be lying in a stretcher after the fight.

Randy vs. Brock now!

I’d vote Kongo. Kongo seems to need a reality check if his post fight interview is any indication.. Mind you Kongo might actually land some strikes on Lesnar and test his chin.. Either way it’d be nice to see Lensar put Kongo into the meat grinder for 3 rounds.

One of Kongo’s kicks could KO Brock. But I doubt it ‘coz his head is a ball pin hammer!!

Kongo lost to HH. So fighting Kongo is a step down. He has to fight Cain,Werdum or even Tim Sylvia. I would pick Sylvia out of all of those though.

In a sense it is a step down but then again it might not be. Kongo just beat a guy via knockout. Brocks chin hasn’t been tested yet. Kongo might be good to do just that. Bear in mind that while he wants to move up in the ranks, he still has a lot to prove before he can move into title contention. I think that fighting Kongo would be the next logical step. If he beats Kongo then onto Gabriel Gonzaga. If he can get past him then he should face Werdum. If he is able to handle that, then give him the title shot.

I just don’t think that Kongo would be able to keep it on the feet long enough to fart let alone knock him out. Granted Kongo has KO power but Lesnar is going to have to fight someone with great wrestling or just great takedown defense before he ever gets hit hard. I think he has to fight Cain or even see how he does with Gonzaga or Werdum. I just don’t think Kongo is a good fight stylistically. But whomever they put him in with I hope it is quick, because I would like to see him fight a lot, so we can end the talk about how good he is and just let him show us.

I agree that Kongo needs a reality check. I think it is unfortunate that his performances have been so lackluster considering his physique. I think it would be a stand up test for Brock that makes sense.

I agree

RoB, maybe one of these days you’ll post something I agree with…not this time.

Clarifying, I think Mir would beat herring.

the difference between Lesnar’s takedown and a scud missile, is that you can be assured Lesnar will hit what he’s aiming for.

Tank Abbot, Ray Mercer, Bo Cantrell, and James Thompson. All great competition.

Kimbo ain’t duckin’ fighters. It’s Elite XC that does all the ducking for him!

No but I can see that you live in a fantasy world with your logic. I like how you had an intelligent response to my irrefutable statement. (sarcasm) It’s okay. I’m a fan of MMA so I like to debate it. If someone proves me wrong (which you have not even come close to doing) then I learn more.

He doesn’t just want the brother in, he wants contracts for several fighters from where he trains. Can’t remember the name of the place but he wants several people in with him. I’m not a big Fedor follower so most of the stories on him I skim, but I read it somewhere.

Red Devil is his training camp, I think…..

I would bet on the lion, or a Grizzly/Polar Bear against you and your bat all day long.

However, I’d like your chances against a sea otter or a house cat.

Ha ha, yeah i’d do that sea otter good.

Maybe i was a bit sure of my ability in my youth, safe to say there would be a shaking bat in my hand and a warm trickle of piss running down my leg if it came to it.

But hey if the price ($1bn)was right i’d still give it a go.

The overall shouting down back in the day was that a Rhino would be the toughest.

PS i would employ the rolling pin technique on your fearsome house cat.

Thats the point, he would still “need to fight somebody”. He would have the same dominating skills and yet they would be underrated because he is not in the UFC. The fact that you mention the Ivin and Leben fights as perks is a little odd since they have in no way shown themselves to be elite. Anderson is about to defend his title against a guy who is unranked on every major top 10 list and hasnt proven to be better then any of the Dream or EliteXC MW’s.

I didn’t mean that Leben and Irvin are elite, but the way he disposed of them was memorable. Added them in there because it sort of emphasizes the point that Silva is smashing people who IMHO would do rather well outside of the UFC. Hell if Bobby Southworth is holding a title outside of the UFC than Leben and Irvin would probably be like..like..WAMMA champions or something. LOL @ WAMMA.

jj started in japan and then moved over to brazil. after it was brought to brazil the japanese found it to be too violent / dangerous and modified it some, so from there forward we have jj and bjj. i do think that in this day in age jj and bjj are starting to melt back together, but maybe someone more informed than i will speak soon.

Thanks guys that clears things up a little