UFC President Dana White all but confirmed the blockbuster New Year’s Eve weekend match up between welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre and lightweight titlist BJ Penn at the UFC 87: “Seek and Destroy” post-fight press conference, putting the wheels in motion for perhaps the biggest night of fights ever.
Typically, the end of the year pay-per-view (PPV) event is the promotion’s biggest with its biggest stars all on one card. And with Antonio Rodrigo “Minotauro” Nogueira defending his heavyweight title against Frank Mir, St. Pierre putting his 170-pound belt on the line against Penn and a likely appearance by Wanderlei Silva and others, it’s safe to say that the promotion is set to close 2008 in dramatic fashion once again.
He did not confirm, however, that the fight will take place on December 27 … just that the fight between St. Pierre and Penn will “happen” and he will then “figure out what will happen at 155.”
That essentially means that Penn will not have to vacate his 155-pound title to challenge “Rush.” In fact, Penn sounds as if he’d like to defend both titles simultaneously if he can defeat the Canadian.
That could all change real fast, however, depending on the outcome of the fight. Therefore, it makes sense that White is taking the “wait and see” approach on this one.
Penn and St. Pierre have already met inside the Octagon at UFC 58: “USA vs. Canada” in 2006, which resulted in a controversial split decision win for St. Pierre. Penn brutalized St. Pierre for much of the first round, but then he stormed back and hung on in the final two frames to get the winning nod.
Most at the time felt at the very least it should have been a draw because of the lopsided opening stanza; however, the judges ringside did not agree. Regardless, it was a great fight and the encore will likely be even better since both fighters have improved significantly over time.
And that’s a scary thing to say – these are two of the most gifted pound-for-pound talents in the sport going up against one another in the prime of their careers. Its historical significance cannot be overstated.
Lost in all of this, of course, is Kenny Florian who defeated Roger Huerta to become the clear-cut number one lightweight contender. Don’t expect him to wait around; however, until after the St. Pierre-Penn rematch to find out what he is doing next.
Florian indicated that he would like to continue fighting top guys and doesn’t want to wait around to see what happens in the division. He intends to stay busy, and if he keeps winning, more than likely challenge whoever for the 155-pound title in early 2009.
That’s a risky move, but one that shouldn’t surprise too many folks – Florian is a gamer.
It’s good news all around. We have a fight for the ages against two division champions and a number one contender who isn’t afraid to possibly lose his title chances by taking a fight he really doesn’t need to take.
Let the good times continue to roll.
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MONDAY MORNING CONVERSATION:
I just want to apologize for getting all defensive this past week. Been under a lot of stress and pressure. I never used to get sick in FL, Now I seem to get sick 2 or 3 times a year. I’ve been sick for 2 weeks. My car was in the shop last week and I had a bored 6 year old to deal with all day. 2 satellites went down at work and we had to use land lines, instead of 40-45 hours I did around 60, sick! It’s a contract year (I’m union) and I want 12-15k raise, they are offering around 2000. my wife (she’s the supervisor for 3 or 4 VA pharmacies (GOVT>)) has a stressful job that I got to hear about daily. Lastly, I woke up one day last week with 2 grand missing out of one of my accounts. The state of MA decided to audit me, found an account before finding my address and helped themselves.
Anyways, I’m feeling 100% better, got my car back and am not going to lash out any more. This site is my outlet, my opinion and thoughts are from the heart. I see people bash John and I so much for no apparent reason. We put thought into our posts, sorry I don’t just put “Fedor rules” or GSP is # 1.”
Any ways, It’s been 14 years since I did it, but does anyone want to get into a mmamania only fantasy football league. first 10 are in. We’ll do a number we can all afford (100) and have some fun with it. If interested, get at me, kevjack115@yahoo. Sorry this isn’t mma related, just don’t want this site turning into how bad sherdog is with comments and someone calling someone else out in every conversation. Keep em coming guys, you’re the most fun knowledgeable fans out there!
By the way, BJ wins!!! If you won’t put your money where your mouth is, keep it shut!
Kevin, the government can take a look at your bank accounts and take money out for taxes without even giving you a formal notification? that’s madness!
lol they said they tried to contact me, but I’m not hiding, I file my taxes evry year. I wasn’t trying to cheat, I sold a house in MA after owning it a year and they’re saying I owe capital gains!
I’m just puzzled that they have so much power, they shouldn’t be able to take a look at your bank account without court petition, and they definitely should not have the power to take money without your approval. If that happened to me I’ll be going crazy and definitely take ‘em to court!
I called, it’s legal. I’m going to refile for that year (you can refile for 3 years) and add some deductions to hopefully offset the 2 grand they are planning on taking next month. They say I owe 4k and change
How can they do that? Is it anything to do with the Patriot Act?
like I said, they say they tried to contact me, I said I never got anything certified mail, so prove it, they almost laughed. They are the govt., like I said my wife works for the GOVT. they do what they want. If I owe, cool, but what if I had outstanding checks and they bounced because I had no idea this was coming. just lacks integrity and morals to me!
My my, there are gonna be so many GSP vs BJ threads in the next few months.
This is my 2c…
I think GSP will be too strong for BJ. Yes i am in awe of BJ’s skills but i just think GSP has improved so much over the past couple of years and will dominate.
Does anyone think that BJ can hang with GSP on the feet?? because i don’t. Yeah yeah, the first fight, but that was one hell of an eye poke.
A lot of it depends on how BJ puts on the extra pounds, if he can maintain his current conditioning then maybe but if a flabby BJ turns up its night night.
There are no nuthuggers like the BJ fan club but those who say he is going to walk through GSP have let their love for the fighter cloud their judgement.
GSP has got to be favourite.
I think their stand up is comparable, and bj is better on the ground. Wrestling goes to gsp, but what is he going to do? lay on bj again? every time he postures up, bj will work subs!
I agree that GSP will be the betting favorite. But the question is, how big of a favorite? Right now, I’m seeing it at about:
GSP: -155
BJ: +125
BJ will not be coming into the fight fat. In fact I recently seen him say on his website that he will be coming into the GSP fight in complete shape. He has been working with a strength and conditioning coach to build muscle rather than fat. Everyone knows that BJ is in his best shape at 155. So he is just adding muscle mass and will come into the fight at about 165 lbs and, of course won’t have to cut any wieght (water weight). That means that GSP will have about 15 lb weight avantage guessing that he weighs 180 on fight night.
The main question is = will GSP’s strength advantage be too much for BJ?
I think it will mate, GSP manhandles everone he fights. I know BJ is a God on the ground but Matt Serra isn’t too shabby and look where that got him!
I am a little bit suspect about him coming in shape, talk is cheap i just think without the pressure of HAVING to be in good shape BJ might slip back into his old ways.
It sounds like i’m hating on BJ, thats not the case i just think GSP will be able to beat him on the feet and take him down at will. Its more of how highly i rate GSP than hate on BJ.
I totally agree. GSP is the best lb4lb fighter there is. He is also the best at taking the best part of someones game and using it against them in a better fashion that you expected his opponent to use it in the first place.
Im not going to say that GSP will destroy Penn, but he will win for sure. The longer the fight the better for GSP. I truly feel that will be the case.
I can argue my case but Im sure you all know where Im coming from.
“I think their stand up is comparable, and bj is better on the ground. Wrestling goes to gsp, but what is he going to do? lay on bj again? every time he postures up, bj will work subs!”
I don’t think GSP will be doing much posturing against BJ. He’ll work leg kicks standing up, and then if he gets BJ down, he’ll pull a “Lesnar” and just keep on top of him for a decision. We know that BJ has a great sprawl, but if he can throw a knee to a shooting GSP (a la Anderson Silva ), then it’s lights out. It’s risky though, cuz if GSP catches his knee, it’s a slam.
I think its a toss up. Bet the Underdog!
Haha!! Nice advice there. Yeah, definitely could go both ways!
this is in reply to enzo-enormous
you either have to be from canada or are a big gsp fan and a bj hater cause there is no way anyone anywhere can say that gsp is bets pound 4 pound cause he has only defended his championship title once and he is not willing to move up or down in weight into any other weight class. now silva has done it bj has done it and also cotoure has done it and they have all been successful doing it .this fact and many more are what proves that these 3 plus henderson are the best p4p and as for silva vs pierre that would be a mutilation and everyone knows it this is the reason you will never see pierre go up to 185 for a title shot and bj is the only other one with a title that pierre is willing to fight
Kevin, if BJ is better on the ground, don’t blame GSP for laying on top of him, blame BJ for LAYING under him. A wrestler should be on top and a BJJ black belt should be able to sweep. GSP wasn’t just laying there,he was trying, but BJ has a great gaurd.
Hey VM, I’m not positive,but I think GSP might fight closer to 185. He said his walking around weight was 185-187 and being that he is always training, I’d imagine his fight weight would be very close to, if not the same as fight weight.
Pat, I’m not so sure anyone could even have time to think of throwing a knee, let alone the time it takes for the brain to send the message. Did you see how FAST he took Serra and Fitch down. Those have to be UFC records for the fastest take-downs, from the start of the fight ( 3-4 seconds).
Jason Probst has an excellent article on why this fight should not happen and I tend to agree with it. As much as I want to see it, it does kill alot of value for two divisions and should be given more time to achieve “super-fight” status. Right now, it will simply be a rematch.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/for-penn-lightweight-is-right-weight-14012
I also don’t see this as being as competitive as most. At least, not at this time. BJ needs more time to effectively put on some size/weight (i.e. muscle mass) rather than just holding onto weight, which in the past has meant an out-of-shape Penn.
Penn has phenomenal natural talent with his flexibility being the most difficult thing to prepare for, but relying solely on that talent gets him surpassed by someone with talent and superior athleticism, in this case GSP.
Just because it is a topic where the two are linked side by side -the p4p debate- there is another read (which I found weird that BJ’s name was not even mentioned) that I think dissects the fighters listed and the abstracts well.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/the-pound-for-pound-debate-14011
Mania, sorry if you dislike other site’s articles pimped on your site. Just thought these fit well into the topic
Just went through moderation and now see that I left off “yet”. Why the fight should not happen YET. Worlds difference in meaning.
Great find PJJ, that guy (Jason Probst) knows his stuff.
Comment by Gord
2008-08-13 01:40:03
Great find PJJ, that guy (Jason Probst) knows his stuff.
He also does a good job hosting Survivor
It’s cool, Kev. Like 50 Cent said “If they hate, then let them hate, and watch the money pile up!”
(Yes, I just quoted 50. And what?! lol)
NO ONE cares about your life,
Anyways, back to what the topic is… I’m betting my whole check on GSP, After watching Fitch this past weekend, i’m sure he could beat Penn. Can’t wait for this to happen, not because I really want to see It, cause I know the outcome, I just can’t wait 2 see what EXCUSES the nut huggers have 2 say when the fights over.
but BJ does everything better than firch and gsp couldn’t finish! BJ will win and I’ll be betting on that, good argument though!
bet all u want.. i hope that u have enuff money to live on…cuz u will not be winning this bet idiot…bj lost to gsp wen he was in his prime and gsp was jus coming up…now st. pierre shall dominate him…R.I.P Penn
see, I can appreciate you disagreeing, but calling me an idiot is what I mean, what’s the point? I have an opinion, you have one, we’ll find out who wins in 5 months, so if bj wins can I go on a tirade about what a douche you are? I won’t, but it would make sense!
Ha! BJ is a very good technical and natural fighter. Watching GSP there is still holes in his fighting and even he knows that. The last time Penn and GSP fought Penn wasn’t in his prime he wasn’t even training properly. It will be a good fight but it will be very tight. I’m hoping Penn will win but coming up weight might have a bad effect on him.. And if Penn does win Kevin you should go on a tirade cause Xtreme Couture doesn’t know shit, Penn at his prime when he fought GSP what fights have you been watching. He used GSP’s takedowns as a time to rest, you should actually watch his old fights and see how unfit and sloppy he was looked compared to now.
Kevin, I wouldn’t bet your tax money my friend….
Xtreme couture15 has the worst arguement ive ever heard. BJ used to be in his prime? The dude is in better shape now then ever, and back then GSP was not “coming up” he was already destroying Sherk, Trigg, before Penn, and then DESTROYED Hughes right after he BARELY “beat” Penn. GSP has always been good and always will be, and Penn showed he is better.
The whole fight will look like round 1 of the first fight.
well hes obviously in better shape…hes fighting at 155..so he better gain some sort of muscle back onto that 155…cuz if its all water weight..he is goin to get torched..gsp isnt the same fighter after he lost to serra.. i respect bj penn more than any other fighter.. i train with sam stout and ppl.. i would love to train with bj penn.. ive been at seminars with gsp and rany couture..when gsp out wrestles randy.. hes jus that damn good.. i apologize if i offended anyone..Kevin..srry for calling u an idiot.. i jus dont think betting money on it is a good idea..but good luck
How has BJ shown hes better? By beating Sherk? Beating Stevenson? C’mon.. I like BJ, and think that at 155 he is a monster, but lets be real here. GSP’s strengths match pretty well with BJ’s weaknesses. Size, conditioning, and wrestling are where Georges would dominate, and his BJJ is improving by leaps and bounds! Theres no way BJ wins this fight..
Xtreme couture15’s argument is indeed lame. Watch the fights first before declaring R.I.P. Penn. This is a toss-up as far as I see it…
Damn..it takes a big man to lay it on the line and apologize.. I certainly respect you for it.. I hope you have a better week brother!
yea…we all have our probs….
who gives a faq about yours…
faqin whiner!
Can someone explain why BJ gets a shot at GSP’s title when he’s done absolutely nothing to earn it? If anything they should do a catch weight fight where the winner takes both belts because in this fight GSP has everything to lose and basically nothing to gain. BJ has everything to gain and nothing to lose if Dana allows him to keep the lightweight title. I’m sure GSP could make 155 to defend or just vacate it after he wins either way he’s getting screwed.
No way GSP could make 155. The GSP you see fighting is about 185 lbs. He cuts 15 lbs of water and he doesn’t have 15 lbs of fat to lose, to get down to 155. No worries, BJ ain’t gaining nothin, he’s losing this fight and he’s going to bleed for once. Maybe GSP will close at least one eye for him to, he seems to like doing that now ( his last 3 fights).
heres the thing…Florian would get demolished by penn, he should be happy with this!
Who else can Kenny fight at 155lbs that wont damage his chances of a title shot? As technical as Kenny a rematch with Sherk would probably go the same way as the 1st fight with Sherk dry humping him and IMO Joe Daddy would be too strong for Kenny.
Florian deserves a little more credit. I think “demolished” is strong. But, no doubt, Bj wouldn’t have a problem winning by unanimous decision, and, possibly a technical win by submission. But I’m not going to count Florian out completely.
I say the winner of BJ Penn and Pierre fights Anderson next.
There can be only one.
If Florian sticks to his “elusive” style, he might make it to a decision (loss) against BJ. BJ’s never been agressive w/ takedowns, which is how Kenny got beat by Sherk.
I guess Kalib has turned to coaching since nobody will allow him to fight. This fight was a big disappointment none by Huerta all by Florian. I dont blame him he wanted to win and that he did. Big difference for counter striker to survive and try to win Machida and Liddel engage Florian wanted nothing to do with Huerta I dont blame Huerta for being so frustated that at the end of the fight he gave up and let time run out since Florian wasnt going to fight, and as far as the takedowns that is one of Huerta’s weakness and Florian couldnt keep Huerta down. So much for the self proclaimed “finisher”.
Nobody among the 2 should fight Anderson. That’s suicide. The Spider should just continue with his ballet of destruction at 205.
CANNOT WAIT to see BJ and St. Pierre battle again…what a fight this will be as long as BJ comes prepared (physically)
any educated guesses where this event will take place?
MSG would be awesome!
If it’s legal, then hell yeah! Why not! Nice venue that!
bj says he WANTS it in montreal
LMAO!! Imagine GSP crying like alittle girl if he loses in Montreal!!
I know I harp on it, I just hope GSP invests in a new suit for the next ppv. The 3 year old pin stripe is old
That is a kick ass Mens Warehouse suit!
Maybe it’s his lucky suite? Did he wear it for the Serra fight… Probably not.
Could they do it in Hawaii?
I’m sure they can get more fighters to fight during the holiday season if they hold it in sunny Hawaii.
you mean cold montreal isn’t a draw? lol, couldn’t agree more!!
Pat, you could have it in Antarctica, and they still wouldn’t have any shortage of guys that want to fight that night. Fighters will want to be on the biggest UFC card in history, no matter where it happens.
it depends on what day it is.. if its new yrs eve it won’t be in Montreal.. MTl always has their new yrs Rave which is by far one of the biggest and best parties anyone can go to..!!! GO MONTREAL!!!!
I think the UFC was talking about doing it in Hawaii but they said they are having problems with where to have it or something so it doesnt look good for December. Don’t take me to the bank on that one though.
I heard that somewhere too. Hawaii doesn’t have an arena big enough or something? I guess finding a hockey arena on the island isn’t very easy?
Aloha Stadium mang. 50,000+.. It will be the biggest crowd the UFC’s ever seen.
MAybe the UFC should put together a 1# Contender’s belt. Cuz with the reign of Silva, BJ, GSP amongst us…they should jsut fight amongst themselves.. This is crazy.. I’m a huge Kenny fan.. but 9.9/10 times he will not defeat BJ. Fitch was the cream of la crea of the WW’s.. Silva.. just the name has the 185 division in uproah…so just give a 1# contender belt.
lol, thats a great idea cause i don’t see these guys losing anytime soon…for 5 months at least
Maybe add more divisions. Make a 162.5 pound divison, to slot right between LW and WW. And then a 177.5 pound div to slot right between WW and MW. or just restructure the whole system, and go in 10 pound increments. I have always felt that HW was WAY to broad a range, but there just aren’t enough fighters to create two divisions between 205 and 265.
won’t happen, the unified rules changed it’s weights to do this, but UFC already says they won’t!
yeah, I feel there are already enough weight classes, if they create more it’ll become too watered down…
not so much watered down, but if they put a 180, silva would win
170 gsp
just not worth having the same chamops cut an extra 5 pounds!
The fighter’s just need to stick to there fighting weight. I know the UFC will not add more division at this time.. or maybe not ever.
The fighter’s just need to stick to there fighting weight. I know the UFC will not add more division at this time.. or maybe not ever.
The fighter’s just need to stick to there fighting weight. I know the UFC will not add more division at this time.. or maybe not ever.
We heard you the first time ; )
Not that Phil didn’t have a good idea, but cmon…a #1 contender belt? Wouldn’t that water down the meaning of the championship belt? There are simply TOO many great fighters in some divisions. Thats a great problem to have, but how do we rectify it? Adding more diviions may seem to water things down for a while at first, but over time it would be the only way. The sport is exploding too much and there’s too much young talent for it to stay this way.
Think about 20 years from now, when MMA is THE single most popular combat sport around. Kids are going to be training in MMA from the time they can walk. Kids born 3 and 4 years ago are starting to train in jiujitsu (My instructors son knew armbars at age 2). We weren’t training in jiu jitsu at that age. Imagine how good those kids are going to be when they hit 18, 20, 25, and so on. We’re only in the early stages right now. Its only going to get better as time goes by and the bar will consistently raise. We WILL need more divisions.
I think he was joking
Hey Phil, do you think the fighters just need to stick to their fighting weight?
LOL
Kev’s right.. I was joking. =P
About weight divisions.. In the UFC let it stay the way it is.. we have 5 divisions. 5 belts. That’s enough IMO.
Now with other promotions I don’t mind seeing a 160lb.. or a 175 lbs division. We can always have a catch weight match up. I know.. with more and more fighters/ good fighter’s into the mix.. the call to add divisions will rise.. but I feel today.. it should be that way it is.
Yeah, make it a Television Title.
or an intercontenintal one. lol!
Yeah, I was just thinking that if BJ wins, they’ll have an interim LW champ. I think if BJ wins, he’s not gonna go up and down 15 lbs. in weight to defend both belts. He’ll defend the WW title until he loses, then he’ll go back down to 155. It’s easier to do in boxing b/c the weight divisions are a lot closer together.
I dont think it’d be hard at all for Penn to do. Basically he’d cut the 10 or 15 pounds when he fights at 155 and just not cut weight for the 170 fights and come in at 165-170 pounds. That being said I think GSP will prove to be a little bit to strong for Penn and don’t see him being able to stay with GSP for a 5 round fight. I still think it will be a great fight though.
this is to whoever thinks penn will be out muscled by st pierre cause that is funny and very untrue cause bj penn has fought the likes of machida at 205 and machida couldn’t over power or finish bj now tell me this if machida who naturally walks around at around 220 and pierre who probably walks around at 185-190 how is pierre going to over power penn also penn will get into the head of pierre befor the fight and will probably win the fight befor the fight even starts cause the fight game is about 85% mental and if penn has learned anything which is pure athletic ability only gets you so far and the training and mental aspect of the fight game adds alot and can make you unstoppable
I guess Kenny should fight Sherk for now…
GSP is on another level right now. BJ is a beast at 155, but it almost seems like he needs a tune-up fight at 170 before he faces GSP. I like to see how BJ does against a Thiago Alves before he has the privilege of fighting GSP.
Why in the world would you want to see BJ fight Alves first? You don’t want to see the biggest and possibly the best MMA fight of all time ASAP?
I personally can’t wait for this fight to happen. I will be itching for the next 5 months to see this. BJ vs GSP for the WW title right now at this point in there careers is the most exciting MMA news to date.
Maybe because Thiago has done much more at WW and is at least near a WW title shot, whereas BJ has lost his last 2 fights at 170.
by more you mean more weight. he’s 2 fights away from a title, and that assuming he gets through diego. I like em both, and that should be a good fight. a brawler (alves) and a smart fighter (sanchez)…we saw how that goes this weekend
So what… And Alves already has a fight booked with Diego Sanchez at the end of October, which he will probably lose anyways.
Its people like you guys that hold back the progression of this sport. A year end showdown between 2 of the P4P best in the world fighting in their prime in Vegas will be so big for this sport. And you want BJ to fight Alves in what would most likey be an undercard fight of a PPV or the main event of a UFN. You guys make absolutly no sense to me.
Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see the fight, I just don’t think BJ is worthy yet. And like WebGarden said, why is he all of a sudden the #1 contender? I just don’t think BJ is on the same level as GSP.
Dana white said last week he doesn’t care about contenders, he wants to give the fans the fights we want to see, how can you complain about that? and who deserves a shot?
It’s ridiculous that BJ gets to leap the entire welterweight division and take on GSP for the belt. Baby J needs to get through at least a couple of top 170 contenders before being able to get in there with Georges.
people said the same thing the last time, when he called out a more dominating champion…he submitted him in the 1st!
There wasn’t the depth in the division then. Its a bit of an insult to the Alves/Sanchez winner IMO that a 155er with 2 straight losses at 170 comes straight in for a shot.
I know his pedigree and agree that he looks awsome at 155 but he has only defended his belt once. I think its a bit early to move up but BJ does what he wants.
I agree it seems, in the UFC, if you want a title shot, all you have to do is:
1. Be from pride (which is a legit reason to be given a title shot)
2. Be a proffesional WWE wrestler with a 1-1 record in the UFC (how the fuck did that happen?)
3. Suck dana whites dick
Having said that it would most likely be pointless to put Penn in a warm up fight because he would almost certainly beat anyone in the devision and if he loses where does that leave the developing lightweight devisions credibility? Now there are two things that can lose this fight for either of them. In one case GSP goes in with his fatal “am i good enough to win?” mentality (which i doubt at this point in his carreer) or BJ comes in all rolly polly (which may happen but is again unlikely). If neither of these things happen be prepared for a 5 round bruiser. Slight edge to GSP but anything could happen…
True, but his next two fights showed (maybe) if he took the long (true champion) road he wouldn’t even be champ. The same goes for Matt Serra. It takes more than winning 1 fight to be champion. Maybe BJ could have done it the hard way, but until he does there will aways be a maybe. Matt Serra will ALWAYS have WW champ on his record and a guy like Fitch may not. Something is wrong with that and the only way to avoid it from happening is to have every champ follow the same HARD road to the top. Don’t get me wrong though, GSP-BJ 2 is a fight the fans deserve and it is just to big to put off and risk either one losing, then the fight will lose some of it’s appeal.
Exactly! BJ BJ BJ!!!
There he is, where ya been.
Taking a break, but its here huh, no time for breaks now = ) The December card is gonna knock our socks off, GSPENN2, Nog/Mir, Shogun/Rampage, Maybe some Wandi and a sprinkle of Lyotto Machida/Thiago Silva = ) STOKED!!! BJ BJ BJ!!!
very good comment..its bullshit how this guy beats joe stevenson jens pulver and sherk…and than gets to move up to st pierre..i hope hes getting metal plates installe din his face..cuz if hes not..sux to be him
lol… coming from xtreme COUTURE, this is a joke right?
my name is xtreme couture..cuz that where i train..i dont care if randy didnt deserve a title shot and he got one… i would say it..so shut ur mouth
what city are you in? who’s good there? if you get a chance, can you politely ask randy to fight nog?
who in the ww division do you beleive deserves a title shot cause there is no one who has held the ww title except serra who is even in the ufc that even deserves a shot at the ww title except penn also the reason penn gets to leap all the other contenders is also cause penn never lost his ww belt he was stripped of it.as for his last 2 losses at welter weight he gave pierre the beating of his life and almost choked out a tyop of his game hughs who other then penn has gave pierre a beating === NO ONE BUT PENN
as for the people who talk about the eye poke in penn vs pierre 1 it was not a eye poke it was a all knuckle to the eye punch and if you watch that part in slow motion you will see that is was a punch not a poke.
now with the new penn and the new pierre this will be a fight for the ages and will probably end up being the rubber match of all times.
It will not end up being a rubber match for all time because Penn would have to win one for it to be a rubber match.
He gave St. Pierre the beating of his life? When was GSP in serious danger? Dude, BJ lost that fight and the “beating” you speak of emcompassed approx’ 20 seconds of the fight. It was indeed his thumb that went in the eye and an uppercut that bloodied up GSP’s nose a moment later. Anything standing beyond that sequence was pretty even at best for BJ. Do remember that fights are not judged on appearance so some blood from the first round does not win BJ rounds two or three.
Yeah, if that is the worst beating (so called) GSP takes, he will do alright. It amazes me why BJ fans don’t wonder why BJ didn’t do anything to GSP, after he recovered his vision. I know they say BJ gassed, but 2 minutes into the fight, come on now, no one is buying that. BJ did do damage with that grazing upper cut. GSP’s nose looked like it was made of rubber in the slow motion replay, mind you one punch isn’t exactly a beating. If BJ fans continue to base the outcome of the next fight, on the couple of minutes BJ had the upperhand, because GSP couldn’t see, they are in for a rude awakening come december.
True mma fan, It was an eye poke with a thumb it was completely accidenta, i dont agree with certain conspirators that BJ is a dirty fighter. But It was an eye poke that caused central damage to the retina and cornea (spelling is awfull sorry gents) to gsps eye. GSP admittedly lied to the ref to say he was fine but after the fight he was rushed to the hospital there was a chance though i dont know how big that he could have lsot his vision in that eye. as he claims all he could see was vapid colors through the eye the remainder of the fight. I do think Bj lost the fight but not out of lack of skill out of gassing, I also think gsps performance wasnt his usual best due to the eye gouge. Im a fan of Penns amazing ability as a martial artist (i sort of dislike the man or at least the persona he puts out on camera, reminds me of tito ortiz) I’m also a fan of GSP amazingly talented still young fighter with absolutely no limits and i see few flaws. I think Penn in a way deserves the fight but i do think he should have fought florian and at least one other LW first to cement his championship and same with GSP. Also i believe this should be a catch weight fight so either man could win a belt (though i think gsp would have to drop it no way he could maintain a LW weight for a fight he’s to naturally big. but anyways my two cents, im new to this forum but Love everyones oppinions that ive read so far.
first off yeah bj did lose his last 2 fights in ww division but bj was also a champion in the ww division and he was never beat for the ww title it was stripped from him
there seems there are a million great fights out there, all looking to possibly be around christmas time…. i mean with the addition of affliction to the mix, how bout leave no doubt that no one is close to the ufc and just blow every other promotion into clinical depression with a supercard? i say screw the idea of spreading them out to separate ppvs into dec, jan, and feb and just make the biggest ppv ever:
brock lesnar vs. chiek kongo
shogun rua vs. mark coleman
antonio noguiera vs. frank mir
bj penn vs. georges st. pierre
chuck liddell (pending a possible victory) vs. forrest griffin
heck even throw a wanderlei silva vs. rich franklin fight at 205 in there too!
this all is only wishful thinking, i dont think the ufc would want to put all these in one…..right?
rather see chuck/wand 2
I’d like to see Wand/Rampage in the cage for the first time. That is if Rampage is in sound mind!
Aye i want to see if wand can still KKO rampage if the setting is now in the octagon. Wandy must be fuming at rampages comments that the pride ref threw the fight in wandy’s favor second time round. I mean cmon, your ass was knocked out hehe and i believe ramapge fell through the ropes.
I’d agree with all the fights except for Rua/Coleman. Yeah there is a history there but there was a history between Tito and Ken too and those fights were so one sided and basicaly sucked. I would rather see Rua fight Machida, Thiago Silva or Reljic.
Those fights would be sick but I agree with people saying they dont wanna see Coleman fight. Have Rua fight the loser of the Machida/Silva fight, and have the winner fight Wandy. Have Hendo vs Franklin fight too at whatever weight they decide.
Card would be sick!!!
WAndy vs Rampage, or Wandy vs Henderson III? Maybe Fitch should move up to 185? He’s a big 170er.
There’s no way they will put 3 title fights on 1 card.I can see them saving,Forrest vs Chuck/Rashad for the superbowl weekend show.
I have said it before this Idea is only good on a sports entertainment level. The cahmpion should have to face recent winners in that catagory, and BJ is not a recent winner in that catagory. He also loss fights to guys that GSP has worked. His last winn was against a smaller fighter that GSP worked when he was bigger. BJ is a phenom no doupt about it and he is amazing, but I have no respect for fighters that don;t earn their keep.
I think setting a Serra/BJ fight for number one contedenr is fair for every one.
lol serra/gsp, hasn’t that one been done too?
did you read what I said?
I’ve already seen this fight. St. Pierre takes it via decision. Jeeeeeezzz….. NEXT!
so fighters should never get rematches? GSP lost to serra, why did he get a shot? hughes beat gsp why is he champ? I love these scenerios, they make for possible rubber matches
So there was no need for Serra/GSP 2 then?
No, there isn’t. The only way there will be a GSP/Serra ‘3′ is if Serra earnes another shot, which I seriously doubt will happen. Remember, Serra won his title shot by fighting a few B level (at best) fighters, he didnt go through the best of the WW division. Besides, everyone knew that Serra’s win was a fluke. That was evident just by watching GSP/Serra 2 when Serra just sat there doggy style while GSP gave him a bunch of knees to the rib cage.
so what if serra’s win was a fluke or not he caught pierre and pierre couldn’t recover and yeah gsp dominated him in the second fight but you can’t take the fact away that gsp has a suspect chin after that fight
I totaly misread the question, my bad. I misread the ‘was’ as an ‘is.’
Ro-J, although I agree with you 100% about BJ needing to face current contenders, I would say it’s a bit soon for Serra to have a #1 contender match. If he beats Hughes handily, I’d say put him up against another top contender at 170 and possibly have him back in there for a shot at the title.
BJ continually annoys be with his antics, including this mentality that he deserves to leap frog the entire WW division simply because he’s “BJ Penn”.
I know but it was the only fighter left that made half sence.
Avels and diego are tied up, and both Serra and Pen have been chmps, and they fought before.
Hallelujah the best fight in mma is going to happen.
BJ does not need any tune up fights. He’s the current LW Champ and a former WW Champ who only lost to the current Champ by a razor thin split decision and was on the doorstep of reclaiming his title last time he fought at WW before cracking his rib.
This is the current #4 P4P (Penn) fighting the current #3 (GSP). There is no need for a tune up, no need to throw a monkey wrench into this (since anything can happen in a fight, even one that Penn wins, he could break his hand or something). There is no one at WW right now other than GSP that is a skilled or accomplished as Penn, so he doesn’t need to “earn” a title shot by fighting a Fitch or an Alves or a Karo or whoever.
The fight needs to happen now while they are both healthy and in their prime. No more talk or speculation, let’s see who is the better fighter.
Penn/GSP at World’s End. Epic. This is MMA’s Hagler/Hearns, Ali/Frazier, you name it.
I think Penn will sub GSP from his guard (omaplata, gogoplata) while GSP is working his GnP.
The best fight in mma…would be anderson silva vs. gsp..or anderson silva vs…forrest,chuck,rampage,lesnar,nogiuera,penn,florian and kongo at the same time…..
anderson silva vs pierre would not be a match you would see everyones favorite canadian be destroyed and also that fight would never happen cause i could see pierre willing to go up in weight and there is no reason for silva to drop down to a lower level cause he wants to fight people who are on a level power playing field as himself and i don’t see pierre even close to the power of any of the top contenders in the middle weight division.
first off everyone gives gsp way to much credit for him to step into the ring with silva would be a miracle cause with a suspect chin against a brutally sharp and accurate puncher like silva gsp would not accept that fight in knowing he would be dominated and or humiliated .first off you can’t put gsp in the catagorey of best pound for pound casue he has never showed the balls to travel in weight classes .
i am not taking anything away from gsp cause he is a great fighter and has been a very fun fighter to watch but best p4p is pushing it.
i can understand silva, henderson , coture and penn being best p4p cause they are willing and have traveled weight classes and have won but to say gsp is best p4p is idiotic in my opinion
Penn doesn’t deserve a title shot. He hasn’t beaten anyone at WW. His last two fights at WW were losses to Hughes and GSP, his last Win at WW was in 2004 against Duane “Who?” Ludwig. Wow impressive!
As far as I’m concerned Penn can fight Alves and one of Koscheck or Fitch before he deserves to come anywhere near GSP.
More ass-backwards reasoning by Penn.
Why not have GSP fight Penn for the title? GSP has practically cleaned out the welterweight division with the exception of Alves and Diego and they are going to be fighting each other. Penn vs GSP is the best possible matchup right now in the welterweight division.
Top Welterweight Contenders:
Thiago Alves
Jon Fitch
Josh Koscheck
Penn has fought none of them. So therefore he deserves to fight GSP?
Anyone who is not overjoyed that BJ and GSP are going to fight is not a fan of mixed martial arts.
The blah blah belts and blah blah deserves a shot is ultimately insignificant. These are two of the best fighters in history in their absolute prime about to fight each other. We don’t know who is really the superior fighter and we are going to find out.
It doesn’t get better than that.
well said
Finally… Someone who gets it.
Then why does a title have to be involved? Why not make it a non-title fight if this is really about seeing two of the best in the sport fighting one another?
5 rounds
Why not?
na kevins right.
title shot = 5 rounds.
non title = 3 rounds.
thats why.
totaly agree with how close that last fight was no one wants to see them go only 3 rounds.
this is the one thing i really hate about the UFC. time after time we see fighters taht are big named jump ahead of all the other fighters in a weight class and get title shots. Dont get me wrong im all for this fight.. but i dont think for 1 sec it should be a title fight. make a swing weight non-title fight. All the pressure is on GSP and nothing on BJPenn.. if he loses he still has a title and he goes right back down to 155lb. I dont hink GSP will lose but i also like most of you dont feel that BJ deserves a Title Shot. the UFC is goign to lose fighters if they keep doing this. This is a huge disrespect to everyone in the 170lb weight class that has fought to reach #1 contention and BJ has done nothing in this weight class for 4 years. ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! come on.. make it a no-title fight and lets get it over with.
I tottally agree. I think some kind of rule must be put in place to dictate how ranking works, it’s only fair. (See: Lesnar vs. Couture). Buuuuut having said that i really do want this fight so i think, in the case of previous title holders or current title holders, or just downright slaughter fests (See: Silva vs. Leben) exceptions should be made. We wouldnt want to see Fedor take on some nobody we’d want him to take out Lesnar or Battle Couture.
I am more than overjoyed to see the fight…i am jus shocked that penn gsp 2 is happenin b4 silva st.pierre…which will happen eventually..im not dissin anyone in my comments.. im jus speakin how i feel..take it how u want
Bj is an awsome LW, no doupt, but he’s not an awsome WW and that is the belt that he wants, he wants two belts.. Maybee you don’t remeber? well if he doesnt care don’t make it for the belt.
My heart says BJ but my head says GSP. By a very narrow margin. I think its actually going to be somewhat similar to the first fight, minus the 1st round. GSP probably won’t want to keep it standing. GSP will get the double, lay in BJ’s guard, make no attempt to pass, do absolutely NO damage, and win a decision. Ive been wrong before though. I’ll never count out the BJ thats been training like a champion for the last couple years, and I’ll root for him until the end of time.
On a side note, Flo’s striking, footwork and head movement looked INCREDIBLE the other night compared to a while back. He’s elusive, and even his TD’s were sharp. Reminded me a little of Machida vs. Tito, but Kenny was even more effective. In a rematch with Sherk, I think Kenny wins. And GOD I’d like to see that happen. GO KENNY!!
BTW, what was up with Roger being such a sore sport after the fight? He didn’t even have a post fight interview. I lost a little respect for him after that.
“GSP will lay in BJ’s guard, make no attempt to pass, do no damage, and win a decision”? Who are you talking about? You must have never seen GSP fight before. He’ll take BJ down get in half guard to nullify all BJ’s JJ and pound him out. He will beat BJ. He’s with a real camp now and has real sparring partners. He’s only 27. You think GSP is good now, wait 5 months and you’ll see him even better and give him a year and you’ll see the greatest P4P fighter who ever lived.
I think the 3 ringside judges and I are the only ones who saw that first round as competitive. BJ won the first round, but it wasn’t lopsided. He cut him but other than that the round seemed fairly even in terms of effective striking. BJ wasn’t embarassing GSP. GSP vs Fitch round 1… that was lopsided. So was round 3. Everyone keeps making excuses for BJ. I can’t wait to see them fight the second time. I am a fan of both guys and it will be a great fight. I just hope there’s an end to the “it should have been a draw” talk.
I’m really glad to hear about this fight being closer, but I won’t cheer until it’s official. I hope it is because I don’t want to hear any B.S. saying GSP is ducking or anything.
I think it will be a great fight and I’m not in the mood for the back and forth today defending who I think will win because I think these arguements have been done to death. I just can’t wait to see the fight and have this settled once and for all.
Then there are rumors or Shogun and Rampage being on the December card!
If Bj wants this fight so bad then he should vacate his titlr and move up in weight class. Then earn his title shot like everyone else. What happens if BJ loses, is he going to get another rematch whenever he wants. I would love to see this fight but he should earn it.
Worst comment ever. MMA fans just want something to moan about
And if you were next in line and got bypassed you would be alright with that. Make it a non title fight then everyone could be happy.
But if BJ beats GSP surely he’ll deserve the belt? Do you not know who BJ Penn is or something? Why would he waste 3 months training to walk though Alves or Fitch or Kos to get a fight with GSP. Why wait for the most anticipated fight of the last few years?
Yes I know who BJ is and as I said earlier I would love to see this fight. But how is it fair to anyone else in the division. By this thinking then any champion can challenge another champion any time they want.
And what about BJ’s title? This fight happens noone gets a shot at the 155 level for another yr.
I have but two points to make-
Firstly, I think you’ll be able to predict the outcome of this fight at the weigh ins. A flabby BJ will get killed over 5 rounds, a muscled BJ will smash St.Pierre.
Secondly, the mental thing with GSP. His first loss to Hughes he said it was because he was ‘in awe of him’, then overcame that. His loss to Serra he said it was a mental thing again. Much as he claims to be over that, has anyone else noticed he seems much less enthousiastic about the fight than BJ? Will BJ’s unbelievable confidence pray on GSPs mind going in to the fight?
IMO even if Penn comes in at a mucled 170 GSP will still hold several advantages: Strength, speed, better wrestler, better cardio, and I think his stand-up is as good as Penn’s now. I think the only advantage Penn has on GSP is his sub’s on the ground because he is so dang flexible.
NO, I hardly think so. Just because GSP wasn’t jumping up and down like a 5th grader (in his first playground fight) like Penn was, “you wanna do it,you WANNA GO!, YOU WANNA DO IT!!!, COME ON MAN YOU WANNA FIGHT!!!!YOU WANNA FIGHT!!!!!” If anything GSP was embarrassed and didn’t want any part of that childish episode. GSP would be more than happy to kick BJ ass and GSP isn’t NEARLY as impressed with BJ’s performance as his huggers are. He said in interveiws after that fight,” BJ punched me in da eye and in da nose, udder dan dat, ee never touched me” AND he’s right, the only ass kicking after that ,was BJ punching GSP in the arms and BJ eating a few head kick and several leg kicks.
If BJ Penn can stay at 170 with the cardio he has at 155, this fight will be insane. GSP’s gameplan will probably change because he will not want to wrestle one of the greatest jitsu artist in the world. This fight is going to be sick, and both of these fighters have grown with leaps and bounds in MMA since their first encounter at UFC 58: Canada vs. USA.
This card is completely golden. We could see a Wanderlei Silva/ Chuck Liddell II, a Forrest Griffin/Chuck Liddell, Rashad Evans/Forrest Griffin, Wanderlei Silva/Rampage Jackson, Shogun Rua/Rampage Jackson, Shogun Rua/Mark Coleman, some of these possibilies has been rumored to happen in December, we could have 3 title fights in one night, then possibly Wanderlei vs. Rampage or Rua/Coleman to kick off the night.
Thank you UFC.
If BJ Penn can stay at 170 with the cardio he has at 155, this fight will be insane. GSP’s gameplan will probably change because he will not want to wrestle one of the greatest jitsu artist in the world. This fight is going to be sick, and both of these fighters have grown with leaps and bounds in MMA since their first encounter at UFC 58: Canada vs. USA.
This card is completely golden. We could see a Wanderlei Silva/ Chuck Liddell II, a Forrest Griffin/Chuck Liddell, Rashad Evans/Forrest Griffin, Wanderlei Silva/Rampage Jackson, Shogun Rua/Rampage Jackson, Shogun Rua/Mark Coleman, some of these possibilies has been rumored to happen in December, we could have 3 title fights in one night, then possibly Wanderlei vs. Rampage or Rua/Coleman to kick off the night.
Thank you UFC.
Well he knocked out Sherk just standing, which GSP couldn’t do, and has a rock solid jaw. I don’t think GSP has an advantage standing.
BJ has 5 months to train at 170, his cardio will be fine. I see know possible outcome going in favor of GSP!
He also got ROCKED a couple of times by Sherk, which was also something GSP didn’t do. The new improved Bj took 3 rounds to finish Sherk. That’s something else GSP couldn’t do. The way GSP has been fighting he couldn’t make a fight with Sherk last the first round.
This fight is not even gonna be close. It’s like the way everyone thought florian-huerta was gonna be close but it wasn’t. If you look at the evolution of these fighters – GSP has changed by leaps and bounds while BJ is still the same kid who beat hughes the first time but with two more rounds worth of cardio. Plus It’s been centuries since he last submitted someone off of his back which is where this fight will take place. Also now that GSP has some awesome BJJ connections through Ximu Machado at his insane learning pace all his ground weak points should be ironed out. GSP is gonna sit in BJ’s guard and smash his face with elbows for three rounds until he drops below torres in the P4P rankings.
Am sure Rampage is set to come back at december so might see rampage and wanderlie fighting that card.
Yeah, BJ has probably forgot Ju Jitsu because his recent opponents couldn’t take him down…
All he has to remember is the choke, because he never hit any other subs in a fight.
No one is going to walk through Fitch. GSP fought his best fight of his career and he couldn’t finish Fitch. Fitch is a beast. It took a loss for GSP to be as great as he is. Fitch will do the same thing.
GSP is amazing though
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Fitch is an absolute beast. I feel sorry for his next opponent.
yea.. i didnt like him really. cuz i figured he came from nowhere..than i did some research..hes a bad ass..
He didn’t walk through him but he sure a f*** walked all over him and it looks like he did a tap dance on his face. Fitch has a lot of improvement to be on GSP’s level. Speed kills.
UFC could make a Catch Weight Title at 165!! Then we could have a 5 rounder! OR, they could both move to 135 and fight for the new UFC Bantam Weight Belt! OR how about who gives a Shyt about the significance of a title!
This fight, in my estimation, is bigger than the title. These two need to fight regardless of Welterweight pedigree. I don’t care that BJ lost 1, 2 or 10 at 170, he’s been talking this fight so much it needs to happen.
UFC could make a Catch Weight Title at 165!! Then we could have a 5 rounder! OR, they could both move to 135 and fight for the new UFC Bantam Weight Belt! OR how about who gives a Shyt about the significance of a title!
This fight, in my estimation, is bigger than the title. These two need to fight regardless of Welterweight pedigree. I don’t care that BJ lost 1, 2 or 10 at 170, he’s been talking this fight so much it needs to happen.
Since BJ is getting a shot at the WW belt, should’nt GSP get his LW strap too once he beats his flabby a$$? LOL!
This fight, if it goes down, would be an unstoppable force against an immovable object. It would be crazy.
i’m not going to say scared… but sounds like the GSP fans are concerned about the reprucussions that comes with fighting King Penn. when he raises 1 hand at the weighins, that means he’s the king. remember, eye contact is punishable by death!
I think you mean Queen Penn..there is only one King at WW and that is King Georges..the only strap BJ will be tightening up after the fight will be his bra strap!! LOL what’s the deal with those man breasts!! Until I see an in shape Penn at 170 I don’t believe it….he won’t be lucky enough to get that eye poke in the first round this time…his face will look like Fitch’s…like it was beat with a sledghammer..
lol!! ok. Penn wasn’t the 1 stuttering in the Octagon. “i’ll fight anyone who’s d-d-d-deserving. uhhh… i guess so.. uhhh…”. i got more for you later bud.
bro u dont stop dissin st. pierre..lets see how much energy u have to speak after a 5 round war with the second best in the world..he beat penn before..if hes scared of anyone it shud be anderson silva..scared…u cant be a champion in the biggest fighting organazation in the world and be..shutterin..now u..
exactly… GSP is scared.
What the hell are you talking about? GSP didn’t stutter AT ALL. I think you better watch that again. BJ was the one with the echo, “you wanna do it, you wanna do it, let do it”.
I’m already stoked!
BJ BJ BJ!!!
BJ Penn will destroy GSP just like last time and wow i could only imagine what an in shape Penn will do….GSP better bring a gun because he’ll need it.
hahaha…penn is in shape..cuz hes 155..he better start takin some nitrotech creatine bullshit…gsp beat him last fight..remember that smart guy..
That’s exactly what you will do, IMAGINE it , just like you imagined him destroying GSP the first time. You see, in reallity when you destroy someone (GSP over Fitch), you actualy WIN, NOT LOSE like BJ DID.
It’s called a Super-Fight. It supercedes anything else when you can make a fight like this.
I understand all the “BJ doesn’t deserve” and even more-so “holding up the LW belt” talk…I really do. I hate the way TUF holds up the belts and I have always been a proponent of a contender ranking system rather than the Joe Silva circle-jerk. Plus, if BJ wins and intends to defend both belts? That could be messy.
With that said, this fight is inevitable. Fans want to see it. The first fight decision was controversial. The fighters themselves (both top 5 P4P, both former/current champions) want to fight one another and each has undergone a change in training and philosophy to bring them back to this point. Even the persona of each fighter demands this fight take place. Penn and GSP both have a love/hate following of nuthuggers/haters. It just can’t make any more sense than it does at this moment.
Don’t cry for the contenders in the LW and WW divisions. Dana is not stupid. This Super-fight pays bonuses to all those contenders to stay in the gym and get their shot in 2009. I doubt we hear any real contenders complaining about getting passed up…not publicly.
Penn had said in an interview that when he fought at 170, he wouldn’t be 170, more like 165 and he wouldn’t be cutting a bunch of water to make the weight. Kinda like his weight for the Hughes fight.
I can’t believe I have to wait 5 months for this fight
I will say that thi fight will be an all out war. GSP proved once again that he is an elite level fighter with little to no weaknesses. His strength us second to none and has great cardio. BUT he’s fighting BJ Penn, who will try to expose a weakness in GSP’s game. I believe Penn has the better stand-up game/chin, but since GSP is a lot bigger than Penn he will be much stronger. I know for sure Penn will have great cardio going into this fight, and GSP will too once again. I hope us Penn nuthuggers and GSP nuthuggers can get along for te next couple of months. Because to say that “GSP will dominate fat BJ” is ridiculous, and to say that “BJ Penn will dominate GSP quickly” is stOOpid as well. Both of these guys are warriors.
BTW: The night GSP made his debut at UFC 46 against KARO, BJ Penn won the WElterweight title from the guy many thought was unbeatable in Matt Hughes via 1st Round RNC!!!
WARRRR PENNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What up G! At least its here, not 2 or 3 fights away anymore, we’ve waited for so long and its only 5 months away, hold on Punishment cause we’re almost there bro!! WARRRR PENNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wHOa what up mang?? I ain’t seen ya in good 2/3 weeks.. But your right I couldn’t wait for the BJ/JoeDaddy fight, than it came.. Than I really really couldn’t wait for BJ/Sherk, but than it came. Now I REAAAALLLLLYYYYYYY can’t wait for Penn/GSP 2, and it better come quickly
I know for a fact that in the months leading up to the fight, it’s only gonna get MORE nasty between us Penn fans and GSP’s fans.. Bring on the Haters!!!!!!!!!!
Yessss sir, took my break but now Penns back in action so im ready for another round, this ones gonna be electric. BJ BJ BJ!!!
It’s a toss up. Both guys are just scary good, and both have improved greatly since the first fight. Both guys will be in shape and this will be a great fight.
well said
Shouldn’t BJ have to win a few or at least one fight in the welterweight division before he can challenge for the title? If I remember correctly,in his last 2 fights as a welterweight he lost. The GSP vs BJ fight some may say was controversial, but the BJ vs Hughes fight, Hughes put him away. The BJ dropped to light weight, had some great fights, won the title, defended it and now he wants to challenge for the welterweight title. It just doesn’t seem to make sense? Shouldn’t he have to win one or two matches in the division to put himself in #1 contender spot? I can’t think of another time when someone has lost 2 fights in a division and then deserves to get a shot at the title. Anderson Silva hasn’t got a clean path to the 205 division, he had to fight James Irvin to get his feet wet. I mean I think it will be a great fight, I think GSP will take it, but it just doesn’t quite seem fair. You have to earn your title shots and not by dropping to a lower weight class and winning and expecting to come back up and challenge for the title. I say have BJ fight one of the top contenders, if he wins, set up the title shot.
The ONLY questionable title fight that I believe Penn recieved was when he fought Hughes the first time at UFC 46. I mean most people wonder how a 155 LB fighter would call out a 5-6 winning streak champion like Matt Hughes. But you know what, Penn choked em out in the 1st round!!! NO ONE has ever posed as much of a threat to GSP than BJ has. GSP would beat Matt Serra 98 times out of a 100, and at the “War of 04″ Hughes was losing the entire fight until he caught GSP with the armbar. Penn has already proved that he can beat the “unbeatable”, and many of the fans who don’t want to see BJ get the title shot are GSP fans who are scared at the fact that BJ Penn has what it takes to beat GSP.
WORD! 5 months is perfect!! BJ can put on all muscle to a 163-165 frame and hes had a nice break since the sherk fight to heal his hand and ejoy time off. Now its everything he worked for on the line so he better not blow it smoking blunts and eating happy meals!!! Ive been on this site for forever saying “BJ BJ BJ!!!” Now the haters who only have the first GSP fight as their last resort for hating will be silenced for good . . . Til the final Hughes fiasco, im sure they will show back up for a bit = )
Along the same lines here with Dustin. Bj was coming off two losses.. then beats Pulver, who was coming of a loss.. then got the strap beating Stevenson. I say have Bj fight Thiago Alves
Nope, title fight sucka! WARRR PENNNNNNNNNN!!!
i will go with penn to win this one. he will have to pressure him alot though, fitch didn’t really pressure gsp enough cos he got hurt with that big shot early. i predict a penn RNC and i don’t favour either guy
futch said he cudnt see after the first round..so its not really his fault
LoL, Penn went in that ring and took this title shot, just walkin around punkin and intimidating dudes, including Dana, Dana will allow 99% of what BJ wants! And BJ wants it in Montreal . . . Savage! GSP was like “Uhhhhhhh . . . Uhhhhhh . . . Sure ill fight you agin BJ, no problim . . . Uhhhh . . . I guess . . . ” BJ BJ BJ!!!
you’re a wacky dude. people will learn that! lol… i thought he was going to walk up to GSP and take his belt back with him to hilo early. HAHA! gotta save our arguments tho. you know GSP has his people scouring the threads for analysis and holes in his game so he can go back and fix them and his fans will clone themselves as they post the same ol’facts worded just a little differently each time looking for the AHA moment! guys, i figured it out! BJ’s gonna put GSP to sleep in his home town!
Its what i do (Wackyness). I cant believe its gonna happen, im stoked!!!!!! BJ BJ BJ!!!
Easier said than done. That was Fitches plan, to pressure GSP, but before he knew what was happening ,GSP had him down in the first 3 seconds and Fitch was to busy defending to mount much of an offence.
Get off his nuts. He just finished a 5 round fight, of course he was stuttering and still out of breath.
BJ Penn was being a needy attention whore by coming into the ring. It was Georges’s time to celebrate his win, he didn’t even get a chance to thank his peeps because Penn had to hog the spotlight with his stupid fat dough boy head.
Regardless, they’re both incredible athletes, it should be a great fight to watch.
I just rewatched the fight, GSP DIDN’T stutter. Who gives two shits if he did. But the thing is, HE DIDN’T. One of Penn’s nuthuggers made it up, because he THINKS GSP is scared of BJ.
BJ defo needs to fight one or two times before he’s in with a shot, see Anderson Silva light-heavy weight
He didn’t go round demanding shit even though he has more evidence that he deserves a shot at that weight than BJ would. Silva’s unbeaten against all comers in UFC, BJ’s lost to GSP already and Matt Hughes. Not sayin he’d loose again, he’s an animal but GSP is too big for one in my opnion and 100 more times well round than thur last fight
First off Silva hasn’t held the UFC Light Heavyweight belt at one point before. He hasn’t had a razor close fight with Forrest two and a half years ago. And if he asks for a Light Heavyweight Title shot he would probably still get it but he trains with Machida and doesn’t want to challenge for the belt why Machida is still in the title picture. Were talking about getting to see two of the top 4 pound for pound fighters fight each other in there prime why are you complaining?
is this guy fo real… bj n gsp 1 could of went either way .. should of been a draw.. so 2 say he doesnt deserve youre a dumb azz… he was 170 champ and THE ONLY FIGHTER TO BEAT MATT HUGHES in his 5 years as champ…around the same time hughes whooped gsps azz…
so theres a lil history lesson 4 you son…
Thanks for the history lesson. I’ll return the favor, here’s one for you. A few years later BJ went backwards and got Whooped by Hughes, around the same time GSP went forwards and WHOOPED Hughes ass.
BJ TORE HIS RIBBS AND STILL FOUGHT… BEFORE THE RIBBS HE WAS PICKING HUGHES APART ON THE FEET
THERES 1 MORE 4 U SON
the reason bj gets a title shot is cause he never lost his ww title he was stipped of it and the reason silva had to fight the sand man is cause he never faught in the ufc at 205 check your facts and then post a comment
BJ did lose his title, the first loss at WLWT since he got the title at UFC 46 was to Georges at UFC 58, so in BJ’s mind Georges is the Champion and GSP has BJ’s belt, regardless of the Hughes fight, BJ see’s his loss to Georges as the one that matters and would have faught Georges right away had he beaten Hughes the second time as he would have felt that his own belt wasnt legit til he beat GSP because Hughes’s belt wasnt legit, in BJ’s twisted sick mind . . . BJ BJ BJ!!!
Anyone that thinks this is an easy win for GSP is crazy, both fighters have improved a ton since their last fight. Bj’s boxing is just lethal now, his angles and hand speed are top notch. GSP’s wrestling is ten times what it was when they fought last time. But to say either fighter is going to walk through the other is insane. These guys could fight ten times, and could split 5 of them, that’s how even the are.
bj penn was born to be a fighter. gsp is an amazing athlete but isn’t on the mental level of bj. bj will get into his head because he knows he got the better of gspenis with minimal training. gsp is fully capable or rocking penn but penn is a survivor, rock gsp (which penn is fully capable of) and penn will pounce on zee frenchy with the ferocity of 13 angry badgers and i don’t think gsp will be able to handle it. i can see bj pulling off a sub before his back even hits the ground or placing a well timed knee to the suspect jaw of a shooting gsp. id rather be a bj penn nutthugger than a gsp knob pollisher.
GSP seemed a little off when dealing with Penn on the mic after the fight, not out of breath or even necessarily intimidated, but in some sort of quasi-perceptible way it felt like he sensed he wasn’t holding the trump hand and it came across. To me at least.
When GSP stormed the ring a grabbed the mic after Hughes/Penn 2 he seemed way more confident about his upcoming title fight.
IGSP is an incredible athlete, but I think Penn 100% believes he is going to beat him and GSP isn’t totally sure about beating Penn. He would never admit that but it’s what I sense.
NICK J !!!! gsp take down bj at will HA HA HA … good one i thought my jokes were funny!! gsp better stand up!!! not even machida couldman handle bj give me a brake….
you all seen gsp choke after the fight, and thats whats goin to happen.. bj will choke him out…
Revjames13 said it all bj is confident… n gsp isnt… 2 me hes scared….
ok i would like to point out the fact that everyone says that bj poked gsp in the eye with a finger but if you were to watch the fight like i did in slow motion and paid attention bj caught st peirre in the eye with a knuckle but the gsp fans will argue till they are out of breath. and also yeah gsp did win the fight and bj did gas but do your research !!!!!
when bj left the welter weight division it wasn’t because he just left it was because he wanted to fight in another company’s event and dana white stipped the title from him.so for who ever was saying bj never beat anyone worth while in the ww division is a laugh cause he man handled a top title holder in HUGHS who was also the same guy to tap out gsp.bj penns skills were unbeleivable and he fought only using his skill not training like he should have and he was a dominant fighter till he lost to gsp hughs and little evil and realized that he needed to train harder which seems to be working for him.now gsp has a much improved fighting style w/ his take downs and take down defense but he has to be able to control a much and i mean the much better ground technician of bj who has monkey legs. and for those of you who say gsp will have the power advantage over penn are smoking something and i want some cause when penn faught machida at 205 he held his own with machida who has more power then gsp and is probably a lil more technical the gsp on the ground.
and for the striking aspect of the fight look at it this way gsp is known to have great strikes and when they fought the first time penn out struck gsp with bad cartdio but gassed and was then dominated for a round and a half. but tell me this have you ever seen st pierre bloodied or out struck by anyone other then penn no you haven’t .
so here is how i see the fight
mental and heart ====penn
cardio ===gsp
striking ====could go either way
take downs ====gsp
submissions and ground control ===penn
power === could go either way
more to lose ===gsp
biggest gain =====penn
i see this being a great fight and a barn burner but if we see the to champions we have seen of late i give it to penn in the 3-4 round by rear naked and or cut.
i am not a penn or gsp fan but to those of you who beleive that huerta or florian deserve a fight for the championship need to do more research to cause yeah florian did just beat huerta but florian couldn’t beat sherk and sherk couldn’t beat penn . i look at it this way sherk is the nearest person who deserves a rematch and florian sherk 2 would be the fight to settle the #1 contender seat. and with that said who else in the lw division is #1 contender no one and with that said i beleive penn deserves a rematch with gsp and most likley if i am right it will be a rubber match.
all the guys who are complainin are gsp but f$#kers… u all are just scared 4 his azz…u know bj is better, faster, smarter, harder hitter…
all the true mma fans want this fight.. 2 of the best..
this rematch had to happen, i mean everyone talks about bj’s dominating first round, but realistally gsp was poked in the eye and just clipped in the nose within the next 45 seconds making it hard for him to breath while seeing two bj penn, I mean if u watch the fight carefully i think alot of the swelling aroung gsp eye was caused by the accedental eye poke, and gsp didnt even call for a time out
It was a knuckle, as in from a punch. I wish Rogan would have never said the words “eye poke” but at least he does say the word “knuckle” I guess every black eye from now on is via eye poke, no more regular old school black eyes anymore huh . . . And John Fitch couldnt see after the first round, eye poke!!! Come on man, BJ busts guys up all day, let me know one guy that has come out of there after a fight with BJ and not look like hell. GSP was actually one of the worst, hospital time at least. And BJ could have cared les about fighting Stevenson or even Sherk for that matter and look what he did to them . . . Imagine what hes gonna do to the guy he actually wants to fight, who he beat those 3 guys in a row to get to, a lamb to slaughter is what GSP is, already mumbling and we’re 4 months away = )
I’m not sure why the “eye poke” thing is brought up so much. It’s not like BJ had his finger out like one of the 3 Stooges, he was throwing a PUNCH and his knuckle grazed GSP’s eye. And then GSP was caught with a “clip” uppercut that busted his nose. Is BJ supposed to apologize for throwing punches at GSP?
That said, the first round of their first fight was closer than it’s often made out to be, but so were the next two. And remember how the fight ended, with BJ working a sub from his back as time ran out.
That’s how I think their next fight will conclude, but with BJ getting the sub in the 3rd. GSP may be a little nervous for the fight and get caught with some strikes again in the first. He’ll recover and push the pace through the second. But BJ will turn things around in the 3rd and submit him.
GSP is the best mma fighter pound for pound in teh world, its too bad hes the only real fighter the UFC has…..Ill explain my madness. If you look at recent years ( ever since the ultimate fighter tv show) the ufc has been bringing in these sub par fighters, Tim silvia, Josh Kostkeck (sp?) just to name a couple. Dana White keeps bringing these guys back and it like hes trying to make stars out of these guys by giving them title shots. Title shots?? In the glory days of boxing it would take a GOOD boxer years of fighting to even have the opportunity to even get close to the belt. All Im saying is that I have way more respect for these guys that dont get had picked from the bullshit tv show and given a free ride to fight someone as amaizing as GSP, who by the way is as good as he is because he had to work his ass off fighting in the Quebec legues to get where he is today..not to mention his natural talent. Sorry for the rant…but just one more thing, BJ vs. GSP…..Id love to see that fight but I love what Georges said in response to BJ…I will fight anyone who DESERVES a fight. BJ has great ground game but GSP will make him look like he does everyone he fights..like a student!
i hope ur joking…. student bj…not in same sentence pal… only if ur talking about his skool…
tim silvia didnt come from tuf!!!!
all u gsp fans soon will see!!!! remember bj is the only 70 lber to not lose his title!!!!
GSP just barely walked away with a W in his last fight with BJ. One judge had BJ winning. What makes you think that GSP has improved so much since then that he can now school BJ?
His wrestling is sharper, but he was a great wrestler before. If anything, BJ is going to be the more improved fighter when they face off again. GSP could never make BJ look like a student, not in a million years. He’s going to need the fight of his life to get a W off Penn, and I for one, don’t think he’ll get it.
What I do think is that the fight will be so good (BJ by sub) that we will see Penn/GSP 3 the rubber match at some point down the line.
I wanna see Penn/Machida 2 in the UFC somewhere down the line.. WARRRRRRRR PENNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!
WORD! One step at a time though. Thats last on Penns list im sure but definitly on his list!!
Alot of people say that BJ Penn would need more time to effictively put on weight because between now and the fight there just isn’t enough time which is definitely true but you also have to remember that BJ Penn has been wanting to fight GSP since his last fight against Shawn Sherk in UFC 84 and I’m sure he has been training in a manner to put on the weight since then.
Also you say GSP has improved as a fighter but so has BJ Penn I think it will be fairly even standing up and if it goes to the ground BJ will be looking for the submission
I am not underestimating GSP by any means i just think that BJ is a better all around fighter
The fight could go either way though….. especially if it goes to a decision
How can any1 be against this fight? One of the most anticipated fights ever. EVER. GSP is absolutely amazing, has a more proven work ethic, and is naturally bigger by a substantial amount with no fat. I still think that a BJ Penn who can fight without worrying about stamina is virtually undefeatable, though obviously any1 can lose any fight in the MMA world. So i pick Penn in a submission. -ps, the sob story that started this post may be bad, but i stopped reading by the second sentence-lol. and the posts of “i trained with so and so…etc”, jeebus, if u were a real fighter u wouldn’t be bragging here about your status. lets stick to fight analysis and settle our toughness on the mat.
I THINK BJ PENN IS GOIN TO WIN
I wish they would start showing all the fights. I hate to see blood on the mat for the first fight viewed. They should show all fights undercard and all. Anyway, BJ finally got his big mouth shut. Who’s the “QUITTER” now. So much for manning up to GSP. He got totally dominated. Once again BJ’s work ethics got him in trouble. He was already tired in round 2. Not saying BJ isn’t a great fighter, but he should start living up to being a real champion. Be respectful of the game and your opponents. That’s a champion. Example, Anderson Silva…GSP…Fedor.
I cant believe BJ Penn lost. I think BJ was robbed from the first fight against GSP. I also think BJ Penn took second fight for granted , BJ was taking a Holiday instead of Working out like a Maniac. Hence GSP beat the crap out of BJ Penn. However if BJ is in shape and trains like a FREAK he will beat the crap out of GSP , But if he is lazy his third rematch will then be a failure. I dont think GSP is that great and I dont even think Anderson Silva is that great either. I would love to see Anderson Silva versus Mirko Crocop.
As far as UFC is concerned only one fighter get my respect and that fighter is Fedor.
gsp put vasoline o his back so bj couldnt hold on i think its being petitioned right now