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Quoteworthy:
“I don’t have Fedor being in the top … I don’t have him above B.J. Penn, St. Pierre. I think that if all those guys weighed 155 pounds, that Fedor can’t beat B.J., he can’t beat Georges St. Pierre, and that’s what pound for pound means. It means that if they were exactly the same size. I think that some people are a little misunderstanding of that whole idea.”
Former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir takes exception to the pound-for-pound ranking of Fedor Emelianenko on the recent top 10 list released by ESPN (fan votes were responsible for the order). He argues that the term is often misunderstood among those who attempt to create such lists. For example, Mir feels that a fighter such as WEC Bantamweight Champion Miguel Torres — who can compete at several different weight classes and likely be successful — should be top two or three. UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva received 49 percent of the votes to take the top spot and Fedor — who came in second — tallied 40 percent of first place nominations.
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I tend to agree with Mir
ViolentMike: “I don’t give Mir a chance at beating Big Nog for the belt, so he needs to do something to keep people remembering his name before TUF 8 airs. Also, I don’t think Fedor has Mir in his Top 10 list of anything other than BJJ. I think that Mir should have to fight Fedor for making these comments.
As for Miguel Torres, I undoubtedly have him in my Top 5 lb for lb rankings!
GSP’s walking around weight is over 190 lbs, closer to 200. I don’t think its out of the question for Fedor to make about 210 lbs, if he had a point to be proven. If GSP and Fedor both weighed 210 lbs, GSP would die in the ring.
You are comparing GSP’s walking around weight (inflated at that) of 210 to a weight that Fedor may be able to cut to.
Because of that, Fedor would destroy GSP. No Sh*t. Why do you think fighters cut weight and don’t fight at their “walking around weight”? LB. for LB. BJ Penn and Anderson Silva are better than Fedor, GSP to tough to call.
In fact, if Silva and Fedor met at a catch weight of 210, your boy Fedor would “die in the ring”
fedor weighs what around 230, i don’t think he cuts any weight thats just what he weighs and is only 6 foot tall so if gsp walks around at 200 there less of a size deffernce than most of the people fedor has to fight.
I think Adam misunderstands his own point. Fedor doesnt cut weight in any of his fights and dominates. GSP cuts supposedly 30 pounds and dominates. If Fedor fought at 30 pounds less than his walking weight his dominance woudl be even more prevalant…or conversley, if GSP fought at his walking weight, woudl be be as dominant?
He doesn’t cut weight, but he definatley walks around at a higher weight then he weighs in at. It’s common for fighters to lose around 10 pounds durring a very intense training camp without doing any weight cutting. Just from intense conditioning and training a decent amount of weight comes off. I would think Fedor is around 240-245 when he’s not training for a fight, just speculation.
What about Randy Couture? He fought at LH and did pretty well, and he fought at HW and did better. I don’t think Fedor would be as good at LH as he is at HW because he’d have to fight a different style than the one he’s perfected.
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wow that is so absurd! sounds like something my lawyers would come up with in a pinch, your absurd for spreading this nonsense John, but I really dont expect any better from you so….
I got a bridge to sell you too john. your love for some of these guys jades your opinions! Does this explain why he hopped up and drove on the sidewalk forcing people to flee and jump out of the way?
I didnt write that crap. It was an article copied and pasted! Dont blame me, blame fightline. I posted it cuz I thought it was funny!
I didnt write that. I copied and pasted it. it was an article posted on another mma site. U really think I could come up with that?
next time put quotes around it or maybe the source so the dummies can tell the difference between a quote and a comment.
He accidentally dropped his contact lens in Chuck’s NyQuil.
VM, as for Torres, do you have him Top 5 lb for lb Boxer or Fighter? I don’t see any one dimensional fighter, no matter how good they are, taking someone who is well rounded in many aspects.
you have not seen torres fight
Are you seriously calling Miguel Torres one dimensional? :s
I’m going to give you the benfit of the doubt in that you are thinking of the wrong Torres. i am referring to Miguel Torres, the Bantomweight champ of the WEC.
Please watch his last fight against Maeda. You have to watch it round by round on youtube, here is round 1. the links to the other rounds are found as you watch each round..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0KZ1ncDvDE&feature=related
As a matter of fact, I am now watching that fight myself for the 8th time.
SORRY GUYS! I don’t know why my brain tangented to the boxer, Miguel Torres. It was one of my many, many brainfarts. And no, unfortuneately, I have not seen the MMA Torres yet. But I’m almost off work and will go home and google/youtube.
that must’ve been embarassing haha. but people make mistakes so its okay. haha. i was gonna type another “torres is not one dimensional” post but then u were referring to another person so there, no harm done. at least u made me laugh. haha.
silva’s natural weight is about 215-200, fedor’s natural weight is 230. they should fight at heavyweight, which is what silva is naturally, he just doesn’t have the balls to fight at heavyweight. if u don’t think so answer me why he cuts weight in order to fight in a smaller weight class? there’s only one answer to that, it’s that he’s not confident he could do as well at hw as mw
If a guy walks around at 200-215 what in your right mind makes you think that he should be fighting at HW? He would be the smallest HW in the UFC. Forest G. walks around at 235 so does that make him scared to fight at heavyweight? Fighters cut weight so they can have the greatest amount of strength possible for their fight…its not cause their scared of the next weight class. A.Silva fighting at 205 and only walking around at 215 is still a very small weight cut in terms of most MMA fighters…so I guess hes not as scared as you think.
why doesn’t forrest fight at hw then? cutting weight makes them stronger? are u serious? dehydrating ur body the week before a fight makes a guy stronger? name a doctor who would agree with that. fedor doesn’t seem to mind being one of the smaller hw’s in the world. evidently he’s not afraid of size differential like most fighters are.
Weight drops off while you train during hard sessions wether you want to cut weight or not. Dropping 10 pounds probaly happens naturally for most of thee fighters regardless, cutting 15 or 20 pounds requires specific weight cutting techniques.
For Silva to stay at 215 puonds for a fight it may limit the type and amount of training he does.
this guy, vm is nothing but a gsp hater. look what happened to your boy, serra
Just cuz someone fights GSP doesnt make him my boy.
Look what happened to YOUR boy against Serra!
I am not a fan of GSP, but i am not a fan of Serra neither
ViolentMike that is not a very smart statement…. Fedor would cut to 210 like you said then be back to 225-230 around fight time. GSP could never be 230…
the only way you could do pound for pound is if you imagine GSP with like 30 more pounds of muscle on him. and a bigger frame… that’d be a bad dude
Frank Mir, I dont have you as a worthy #1 contender to the Heavyweight title so keep Fedor, THE GOD’s name out of your mouth!
What a clown! Who the F is he to be talking about p4p list. Instead of asking Mir, ask some legit Heavyweight fighters like Sylvia, Nogueira, Couture who the best p4p fighter is, they would all have Fedor in their top 2.
Now I really hope Mir gets KTFO by Nogueira! What a klown!
He is lucky enough to get all these unwarrented opportunities by the UFC and he dares to question Fedor’s credability!
He should have to fight Fedor! F***ing P***y!
I think Frank Mir made a good point here.
I don’t think he was insulting anyone, especially not Fedor. And to be clear - he’s definitely a person who knows what he’s talking about (you on the other hand???). Perhaps you should re-read what he said, so as not to be so offended (there was absolutely no questioning of Fedors “credibility”) . His points are legit.
Pre-accident Mir would likely have given any heavyweight a good fight - though I’m not saying he would beat the names you mentioned.
If Fedor is not 1 of the top 2 fighters in the world in your eyes, then I really dont want to talk to you!
John your tongue is jammed so far up Fedor’s a** that everything you say smells like SH*T, I have bet that after Fedor finally loses you will disappear!!!!!!
the pre accident mir was not much better than the mir you see today, who did he ever beat besides tim, he beat nobody worth mentioning he had a tough time beating mid level fighters and has got his ass kicked by mid level fighters.he is mid level at best he has great bjj and thats about it.
Hey john, i think the way you talk is purely classless, anybody on this website who knows what they are talking about knows that Frank Mir is a class act, who is great for the sport as a fighter, commentator, and trainer. And this may sound like a huge excuse, but before his accident, Mir was a world beater, and he is still top 10. So in closing, i respect your opinion, but definetly not the way you went about stating it.
frank mir is a great commentator and a great guy, i would even say he is my favorite commentator but no offense to him he was never a top 10 hw before or after his accident.
you guys might sing a different tune after he taps out noguiera
If Fedor is not 1 of the top 2 fighters in the world in your eyes, then I really dont want to talk to you! LOL!! holy crap thats funny! LMAO! ;lAHDa;lkgdsa;
yeah john kinda sounded like a 12 year old just now… i think mir makes a good point, although i do believe fedor is definitely THE best heavyweight in the world, undisputed…
there is no way Gsp walks around even close to 200, more like 180 , he trains all the time, constant, also he is small framed, i have stood next to gsp and i am 5-10, he stands about 5-8 it would be a struggle for him to fight at 185 , a catch wght of 178 would be more suited, forget 210.
http://www.ufc.com/GeorgesSt-Pierre
check ur facts
i think frank mir is crazy, fedor doesn’t win fights because he’s bigger and stronger than his opponents, he wins purley on skill evertime. plus he’s not even that heavy for a HW. In his last two fights he fought guys significantly heavier than him, tim sylvia weighed in at 263lbs, and hong man choi weighs 350+lbs. fedor weighs in at around 230lbs everytime, and could cut down to LWH (210lbs), but seriously theres no one at that weigh that even poses a threat to him. So if this was true hypothetically fedor is capable of beating people up within the 210-350lbs range. how many people could fight guys at that big of a range??? the answer is no one, this is the reason why fedor is the best p4p fighter. if fedor weighed 155lbs and everyone else did too, he would murder them all, because again fedor wins fights on skill, it has nothing to do with weight.
Not a real good comparison. It’s not the same once a guy is over 250 lbs. Speed goes WAAAAAY down and athleticism and explosivness and cardio… At 200 lbs Keith Hackney destroyed a near 600 lb guy because he was too SLOW.
Mir may be right about Fedor not bein’ on the top. Only his “seemingly” unblemished record sets him apart from his top p4p peers. If you were to ask me, either Anderson or Penn would be the definition of a top p4p figheter. But then again, the debate in here could go on forever!!
Yeah Sure.
Fedor would destroy Mir. OMG.. Fedor no P4P on his list..means his list.. his “Im a Fedor hater!!!” list.
Fedor is 28-1!!!! Took out at the time the best HW in MMA a few years ago.. Big Nog..made his Jits…look white beltish.
And Big Nog will do the same to Mir
Thinking about it..maybe Fedor shouldn’t be on this list of best P4P fighter in the World.. He should be on the best P4P fighter this side of the Universe.. anong side Anderson Silva.. Are you sure these are Mir’s comments.. to me it sounds like it came out of Dana’s Mug.
I know…Im sure he was praising Fedor like mad when he was on last weeks MMA live show…
maybe Dana had a word in his ear so he can get Fedor pissed with him and give Fedor another excuse to come to the UFC cos thats the only place he can go if he wants to beat Franks ass!
i agree, we all know dana would never let a non-contracted fighter fight in his organization, but if he doesn’t start doing it soon he’s gonna start losing fighters and fans. Everyone who is somewhat of a big draw, including roger huerta feels they should be getting paid better, sylvia and arlovski already left, it could get ugly…
I know what you mean Phil. Dana’s just stirring up some controversy just to let the game come to him or somethin’. Of course we all know it’s an entirely different ballgame if Fedor would be included in the UFC. But of course that is if this ever happens[w/c i doubt]…
i don’t see any fighter in the top 10, other than fedor, that can defeat guys night in and night out who outweigh them by as much as 35 lbs. gsp at 170 could defeat some at 205, but not all. bj penn at 155 could defeat some at 185, but not all. fedor as a 230 lb heavyweight has defeated all, ranging as high as 300+
deuce the difference is look around the world… most people do not have bodies for the 230-280 pound range of fighting… most people have smaller frames… Think of all the weight that heavyweight covers 206-265 pounds and there are probably are not even as many heavyweights as there are people fighting at 205 or 185 or 170 which would be more normal ranges for an average person. Why do you think the UFC doesn’t do heavyweights on the ultimate fighter when they really need more of them.. b/c there arn’t enough decent ones around… That’s why I don’t think cleaning out the heavyweight division is as good as cleaning out 170 or 185 or 205
great statement Duece. I made a promise to myself the othyer day that I would stop talking to fools that dont Have Fedor in their top 2! If they dont, they are obviously clueless, and I probably shouldnt be wasting my time talking to such idiots anyway!
Duece is absolutely right!
isnt there someone monitoring these message boards, so they can pull johns comments, boy needs to lay off the roids, lotta anger
Fedor is at LEAST in the top 2….I dont care about Fedor at 155…what about GSP or BJ at HW Frank Mir? that is the flipside to his stupid comment about lb for lb. Let Mir get passed Big Nog before he talks his trash. Fedor beat him twice….and finished Tim WAY faster than NOG did.
YEAH, but you need to understand weight difference… A 170 vs a 205 is a lot different than a 230 vs 265 … just using math the 205 has a 20% weight edge… the 265 has a 15% weight edge.
You’d have to look at weight % difference… Plus look at the fact that people like forrest really weigh 240 lbs… so his walking weight is about 50 lbs more than GSP.
Realize this… Bigger guys can cut more weight because there are smaller % of body mass. 30lbs off forrest is easier than 30 lbs of GSP.
Fedor is good but in an imaginary scenario like Fedor weighing the exact same weight as someone like BJ or GSP or Silva… No cutting, same size… I don’t see Fedor dominating all these guys. They have more tools and speed…
Lets face it, Fedor is a QUICK big guy… and he fights a lot of slower big guys… Matt Lindland did OK against Fedor, better than Silvia…
In fact, I bet if you place a quick, very skilled fighter against Fedor that isn’t overwhelmed by Fedor’s speed and well rounded skills, Fedor might drop. He is tough for a HW to take down because they fight so many slow guys and they gas out.
Fedor catch weight against… Shogun / Chuck / Rampage / Forrest / GSP / Silva / etc.
I’m not so sure that he goes 6-0 vs that talent if he had to cut down weight.
smaller guys like that fedor would just get a takedown and do his viscious ground and pound until he got a tko or pull one of his slick subs by just overpowering them with brute strength. plus, he wouldn’t have to fight chuck, page or forrest at catchweight, those guys weigh 230 annyways.
Fedor is definately the best P$P fighter there is as he proves it when he fights much bigger stonger fighters than him and still dominates them easily in all disiplines!!
Frank is just jealous cos he will never be on that list.
Shit old franky boy wouldn’t last 10 secs with Fedor..he got his ass handed to him by Vera FFS!
Its obvious the hating on Fedor will continue until it is no longer debateable after Fedor has smashed everyone that is willing to fight him.
Mir stands about a 1300 percent better chance to beat Nog than he does Fedor.
I am leaving this comment here because i dont want it all the way at the bottom. Please all of you fedor fans, everyone including you, left him for dead before the tim fight, because the you didnt think he had fought anyone in a while, now you are back on the fedor is the best ever band wagon? Whats up with that?
NOt mE!!! I stood by Fedor strong, listening to alot of u guys bash mhe and crucify me for it! THen he destroys Tim and all of the sudden people know whats up again!
I agree with your agreement. Even Fight! magazine has Fedor at 4th (after Silva, St.Pierre and Penn). He hasn’t been active enough and he hasn’t fought high calibre fighters (lately). Mir comes across as a very analytical person. I really enjoy his analysis during WEC cards. Once again, it’s nice to see an unassuming warrior like Torres get props.
Shut Up Mir, if Fedor isn’t in the lb for lb rankings then you’re saying Nog doesn’t deserve to be their either… no heavyweight does.
He is just pulling a Liddell and speaking for Dana White…….I dont even think Mir believes what he is told to say…….28 and 1 record speaks for itself. And the one he lost was an illegal elbow that left him cut. Not a knockout, not a submission. I dont believe too many fighters are as well rounded as Fedor but I do KNOW that NONE have a record to match. It is unfortunate so many people have a dislike for Fedor, because as an MMA fan, I do find his style and fight spectacular, everytime. ALWAYS a show. Eventually Fedor could lose, he is mortal, but that will not tarnish the impeccable performance he has had to date, and I tend to believe that even if Fedor does lose, it will be because he doesnt train hard enough, he gets to old, or itll be another unusual circumstance/cut. Fedor is a legend and it is unfortunate so many people want to not like him because he is not in the UFC……. A decision I totally respect and is way more profitable for him.
Mir is one of the worst fighters in the ufc. His BJJ is questionable at best. He is obviously not going to beat Nog. EVER!!! or anyone else for that matter. But I guess if you beat Lesnar you get a title shot.
Frank Mir is crazy, so crazy that he didn’t even mention Anderson Silva in this discussion. Anderson Silva is as dominant as Fedor, BJ, or GSP. Lets see GSP move up a weight class and dominate someone the way Anderson domintated Irvin.
Now most of you guys know what P4P means! Only thing I dont agree with is BJ, Anderson Silva is without a doubt the best P4P fighter today.
I know BJ Penn has the potential to be one of the greatest. But pound for pound doesnt mean who has the most potential. My list goes like this:
#1 - Anderson Silva
#2 - Urijah Faber
#3 - GSP
#4 - Fedor
#5 - Miguel Torres
#6 - Lyoto Machida
#7 - BJ Penn
But people also need to remember that the HW division is the only difference where the two fighters’ wieghts can vary by over 60 lbs. Every other division only has a 10 - 15 lb variation.
youre right there mike….I look at it like Mir looks at it though …if everyone weighed the same, and you match skill for skill, you have got to give it too GSP, Bj or Silva…as far as athletism and well roundedness (also basing it off the athetism and well roundedness of their competition)…Im not knocking Fedor, and neither is Mir, Fedor is probably the most well rounded heavy weight, but he has never had to fight another well rounded fighter(becuase of the other heavy wieghts either being grapplers or stikers)…Its definately not a strecth though to say he is pfp king , since he is hw and basically undefeated….this ESPN poll is more telling than one that says Tiger Woods is the best ATHLETE known to man, when it doesnt take much athletism to play golf, skill yes, athetism no…that I will never understand
well shit of course fedor cant move as fast or string together combos like lighter smaller fighers… thats just natural.. no heavyweight can throw hands as quick as the smaller guys. does that make him a worse fighter p4p? not in my book. if you got silva to fight fedor at any realistic catch weight i think silva would get his first loss in years
Agreed here man, I think the problem is that everyone is choosing to compare these guys are 155. What if they were all HWs? Fedor would embarrass these guys, none of them have the punching power he does nor the sheer dominance. Say what you will about Silva but he beats you into submissions with many stikes, Penn would not be able to handle the weight and his indurance would give especially him being the ground guy he is. Not to mention Penn would not be nearly as flexible as a HW. I barely even want to mention GSP trying to take on Fedor as a HW. I think it makes more sense to rate P4P on sheer dominance of ones own class. How many fighters fight at multiple weight classes anyway. And if you are like Hendo then you can only benifit from being in two weight classes as it ups your P4P rank. IMO it seems like the rankings now are bull anyway
Pound for Pound is the dumbest comparison ever. You are basically fighting about something that will never get figured out because you can’t have BJ fight Fedor. I’d look at weight dominance and Fedor is number 1.
I agree…P4P arguments are useless. Only useful for fanboys and those who otherwise like to debate that which can never be proven. Most of these fighters will never fight each other, so everyone’s just closing their eyes and imagining what these fights might look like in a parallel universe where everyone is the same size.
Someone needs to develop a scientific formula to calculate P4P potential for these conversations to even make sense. Otherwise it’s just a bunch of people saying “Silva’s the best!!!” or “Fedor is god!!!” From the number of comments on this article, it appears that people just enjoy saying those things for some reason.
Agreed Arnold
I am curious when Fedor fought Linland, had Fedor not grabbed the rope like he was grabbing his schlong when he discovered the joys of masturbation, I believe he would have lost that fight. His grabbing the rope was the only thing that saved him. The ref. did nothing about it and it was tide changing. His grabbing the rope the 2 or 3 times during Linlands belly to belly gave him top control. So So do you think he could compete with the smaller quicker fighters? Fedors advantage is that he is the only well rounded fighter in the HW class. Barnett and Nog great grapplers but only average hands. Cro Cop Great striking but the grappling game of a new born baby. BJ Penn held his own against a much larger MAchida. Could you imagine his skill set if he was 210 to 220 lbs. I think he would eat up Fedor. These kind of arguments could go on forever because they are all hypothetical. They are a matter of opinion. Yeah on paper maybe Fedor is the best fighter ever, but does anyone truly believe that the HW class has any competetion comparable to the 155 thru 170 # class? No way in hell is there any competion near the level of the competetion that GSP and BJ Penn face on a regular basis. Fedor has not been tested anywhere near the level of the GSP or BJ Penn level. GSP vs. Koscheck/Hughes or BJ PEnn vs Gomi/Uno/Hughes.
You have got to be kidding me, BJ at #7 is rediculous
BJ at #7?? Haha, wow..
And what do you mean “potential”?? BJ already has wins against some of the all-time greats in the sport. He only takes tough fights.
I know, not to mention he has Urijah at #2, and Faber has flown all the way to Hawaii to be able to train with BJ
Correct. To place BJ Penn at # 7 is like a slap in the face to The Prodigy…
BJ at 7!!?? LOL, ROFL, LMAO!!!! Whew…wait…let me catch my breath….ok…..seriously…uh…NO! You are wrong there. I usually try to make a well thought out statement but I just have no words for a BJ ranking / comment that off the wall.
BJ is top 3 IMO. Fedor would destroy Mir, but I have him at #4.
Silva
GSP
BJ
Fedor
No matter how you slice it, Fedor ,GSP and Silva are 1,2 and 3. The order can be argued, but there is no arguement for BJ. In the near future there might be, but as it stands, BJ hasn’t been as dominant (how many fights did he LOSE in the last few years?). GSP avenged his losses and BJ lost to a guy he once beat (that’s the wrong direction to go to be labeled p4p best). To many BJ fans use IF’S to justify his losses, but if’s don’t count for much when talking about P4P best. If Fedor didn’t get cut, he wouldn’t have lost,but he DID get injured, so he lost. If GSP wouldn’t of had a bad night, he wouldn’t have lost to Serra, but he DID lose. If BJ didn’t have shitty cardio and was more consistant he might have won more of those fights and he could be ranked top 3, but he DIDN’T.
So where are you going to rank GSP when he gets beat by Jon Fitch?
Please. Jon Fitch is going to cry for his mommy next weekend. He has a punchers chance, and I think St. Pierre learned his lesson there from Matt Serra.
I would rank Fedor 4th behind Anderson Silva, GSP, and BJ Penn.
ive been saying the samething as mir for a long time, yes fedor is the best HEAVYWEIGHT but that’s it he couldnt hang with good lightheavyweights, and i think at a weightclass fight anderson silva beats him senseless, i see machida taking that fight as well,even hendo i feel could take fedor..
i see top P4P fighter in the world as anderson silva or gsp
please name a LHW that would undoubtedly defeat Fedor???????
There ISN’T. And don’t you dare say Forrest Griffin, LOLOL
Fedor has yet to lose a round.. instead of a fight.. HE HAS NOT LOST A ROUND THUS FAR!!!!
Watch his fight with Arona
he was getting killed by mark hunt too
Forrest Griffin……J/K
1 hour. Still no attempts at an answer.
I doubt that I’ll be back on the site for a few days. I’m about to head out to the hospital as my wife just got finsihed with her surgery (her Mom has been with her). So I’ll be working from home on Monday as well, and when I get to work from home, I usually find somwthing better to do since I’m not tied down to a computer…
The ONE thing that I do what do talk about, and will try and check in on tonite if she gets released, otherwise tomorrow, IS who is bettinng on the WEC event?
So far I just put in a small amount on a 3 fight parlay - Condit, Stann, Hicks. Paying out at just about 3 to 1. When the event was first anounced, I was quick to say that Stann would win for sure. he already beat him in less than a minute. I just watched that fight again today on youtube, its there, just search last names, and its clear that Cantwell is the more diverse stiker, but Stann got a little more power in his hands. Stann is unbeaten and Cantwell’s one loss is to Stann. at -350 it doesn’t see sooo guaranteed anymore since Cantwell looked sharp lately.
Miura going to be a big WW, which will be good for all you people that think he’s too small for the division. he has fought Mayhem Miller at MW in the WEC. At -600 Carlos is great to include in a couple of palays.
david Terrell at -165 looks pretty attractive.
These are from BetUs. What do you guys think???????
sorry to be off topic.
Depends on if you are countin anderson at LH too
What are you smoking? Fedor would beat machida and hendo senseless!
so u thank machida and hendo could beat nog, timmeh, and cro cop. if silva wanted to fight fedor he could. all he’d have to do, or actually not do, is not cut weight. fight at natural weight. seeing how fedor’s one of a few 230 lb hw’s, it shows he’s not scared of fighting at his natural weight. anderson silva is naturally about 220. a 220 vs. a 230 isn’t much of a difference, and anderson silva would feel the same effect everyone else who’s gotten in the ring against fedor felt ‘defeat’
I can see what he means, but you have to break it down a bit more. He is talking about the lightweights being his size, but they will not keep their speed and a slower GSP does not have as good of a chance. Same as if Fedor was a lightweight to go against Penn, well you have to think that Fedor would be that much faster and