thanks Auuto

First kid is waaay off. That was actually the FIRST interview I heard of Timmy where I thought that he came off sounding “likeable”.

He also goes on to talk about the legitamacy of the WAMMA title, if the UFC will ever go along with WAMMA, his hopes to see Ricco Rodriguez get beat up because he hasnt stopped running his mouth since Timmy KO’d him.

I’ve been mad buisy over the weekend and didn’t have any free time to visit the site. I read the thread for EliteXC. Now that we’ve all had the weekend to let it sink in, what did everyone else think about the EliteXC card?

I really liked the idea of having the prelims in Showtime.

Nevermind. Much more appropriate in the CBS ratings thread. My bad. Didnt’ see it yet…

MONDAY MORNING CONVERSATION WITH KEVIN:
Goo lead in Mike! I for one absolutely enjoyed the hell out of saturday night fights! It actually had me upset that I cancelled showtime last month (my cable bill was 350). Chris Cyborg is going to destroy Gina, but her jaw line and facial features as well as body suggest that some time in her life she has taken some type of performance enhancing drugs. Jake Shields has been calliing out and saying he wants to fight GSP for months, so I don’t necessarily think it’s Shaw. The fact that Cung Le has been calling out Anderson Silva and shields GSP, as well as Shaw saying he’d put GSP on CBS, and promote the UFC while doing so, as well as from what I’ve heard is that they ARE talking about a Le/Silva matchup, leads me to believe that Dana may be one step closer to stomping out competition the old fashioned way…BEATDOWN!
Diaz looked great too, I’ve heard from a guy who trains with him that he hits like a HW, but where does the power come from? Those “slow motion” looping punches look like they couldn’t hurt my 6 year old, then you see the guys head snapping back…wow! How bout Diaz/BJ?
The main event went how it should’ve gone the fist time, Lawler/Shamrock is an ok fight, but shamrock will man handle Lawler, I’d much rather see a lawler/diaz rematch!
if they could put together: Le/silva, GSP/shields and Diaz/BJ, I would bust one in my pants. 3 of my favorite fighters on one card.
One thing I did notice is the arena was kinda empty, and the shots of Stockton they took were at like 5 in the morning. one of those shots were taken at “HOOKER CENTRAL” but there were none out yet! I was hangin out bbqing in east side (oakyville) yesterday, and we drove downtown…it didn’t lok like how elite portrayed it!
Lastly, Batman was Great!

“but her jaw line and facial features as well as body suggest that some time in her life she has taken some type of performance enhancing drugs”

lol, nonsense. my phillipino housecleaner looks more masculine. btw, regarding the muscles on her, she had to cut weight, and looked normal for fight time. are you going to suggest madonna is taking steroids because she barely eats and overtrains, because her body looks just like cyborg

He also said that he “wasn’t happy with his performance” against Fedor.

YEAH, YA THINK?

All I was thinking was, ‘what performance???
He should be saying “I wish I got to perform”..

Barnett via submission 2nd round!

Barnett will abuse Sylvia! By the Time Tim is done with Affliction, he will have no value and will have dropped to like 8-10 in the rankings!

Tim, maybe you were better off staying in the UFC where u were protected from the top Heavyweights!

john, I am not a fan of Tim, but I am glad to see him fighting outside of the UFC..There are some fights I have wanted to Tim in for a while, and now we can see him fight other HW’s..

Like you said, “Barnett will abuse sylvia” and “he will have no value”…After he fights and lose’s to Barnett, we can see him fight guys like-
Aleks(which I have wanted to see this for a while)
Rizzo- wouldn’t be too bad?
BigFoot.

or he could go and fight in Dream-
Sergie(another one I have wanted to see for a long time)
Hunt-This would be crazy.
Cro Cop(it would be a good fight for CC to take, and could be interesting)..

The Japanese fans would eat it up!

john wot are you on about
tim never got protected

he faced 2 of the top 3 in randy and nogueira in the ufc!

he got clearly beat by both of them

then he got beat by fedor

i think its time for tim 2 step down a notch…. he is obviously not an A-class fighter

i think ur right i think he should retire i think he is done

Affliction overpaid Big Timmy BIG TIME. $800 K for that performance has to easily be the biggest payday for any MMA fighter per second.

“I wish I got to perform”.. thats what she said

lol..I wasn’t sure what you meant at first(the spaces right)lol..
I was just trying to keep the answers seperate from eachother..

if some of those guys are has-beens how come they would beat most of the guys in the same division in the UFC?

Stager: Me 2! I have always wanted to see Aleks vs. Sylvia…I hope Aleks is all right and can continue to fight. UI dont know much about Hepititis…arent there different kinds like A,B,c? Is it treatable? I know Tommy lee had some for of Hepatitis and he seems fine to me,

If Aleks does have Hepititis will his career be over?

Stager Lee: I think Aleks would beat the living crap out of Sylvia!

john, I think Aleks would have a field-day with Timmy..
Im not sure but I read something on Aleks saying if it is Hep B, he could still fight or something like that?

I dont know much about Hep either..Has it been announced official that he even has Hep??.All I have heard is rumors…I hope he doesn’t..

I really hope Aleks returns to fighting..He is really starting to mature, and take MMa more serious..I have been a fan for a long time..

i think tims biggest weakness has been exposed and its not his ground game (wich is still weak) its that he is a notoriusly slow starter. a.a. proved it in their 1rst fight and the 2nd, until he overextended himself and got caught. randy pounced on him quickly as well and almost pulled off the 1 rnd defeat. then fedor exposed it to the nth degree and destroyed tim. tim needs time to establish his jab and find his range. if a fighter jumps on him quick and gets inside and lands a big punch quick, tim freezes and gives in pretty quickly. i think barnett and or aleks could do the same. both have great punching power and if either of them comes out quick and bumrushes tim they will tko him quickly as well. iknow not everyone is a quick as fedor or andrei, but randy isnt exactly a speed demon and i think tims day of being a top 10 fighter is over.

b.w, I agree 100% on Tims weakness being he starts off slow..He is always flat-footed, and stands there thinking to much..Maybe its nerves??

I do think Tims ground-game is not to shabby..I used to think he had no ground, but after the Monson fight, which was still boring, but had its moments when Tim showed his JJ defence pretty good.

i think fedor might have shattered tims confidence as well. it was like a small adult beating up a big child. i laughed after tim got up and had this look on his face, like a schoolground bully who just got his a$$ kicked, thinking “duh.. i just got beated up..duh.

Hes probably just taking a break. Hes probably got sweat dripping off his nose onto his keyboard. His chair is soaking the sweat up. He knows he will have to go back to training soon and he is dreading it.

I kno, I am just breaking his ballz

lol, a broken jaw and a concusion can’t be too expensive.

How much does an autopsy and funeral cost?

I believe autopsys and funeral costs are a moot point after you die.

and head kicks and stomps! that would be nice… oh pride days, they bring back nice memories

soccer kick FTW!!!

I don’t complain about anderson using elbows because it’s legal, but in general I’d favor taking elbows out completely and this wouldn’t affect anderson’s game, he’s got an arsenal full of tricks that he can use…

VM: that was one of my favorite fighst this year and a real shame that it ended the way it ended. I would have loved to see a rematch, but it cant happen because Alves is on a meteoric rise to the top!

as well as early stoppages, bad judging, eye gouging, crotch strikes… yeah why improve anything? its part of mma right kevin?

great synopsis B.W., I really enjoyed reading this comment!

thanks kevin.

Ken Flo should just f*ckin’ stop elbowin’ fighters at the back of the head[exhibit A: Florian VS.Lauzon]

Nah you are way off.

Go back to the early UFC where the black karate guy had the other guy in a crucifix type position and rained elbows onto the side of his head until his neck turned to rubber.

That is the best eva (in my best Baroni voice)

I’ll do the research for the names

it’s shown in this video at 1:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNWa4lLttOY

big daddy Gary Goodrich.nice ko

I would put a vote in for the german JUDO guy in UFC 2. That had the dark little Kick boxer in kesa gatame and after the 2nd elbow he was out… And the guy just looked at him like “hmmmmmmm why are you all limp and droopy”

but did you see tim trying to defend the chock against big nog? all I’m saying is that he didn’t defend against big nog in the UFC and ppl never claimed it was fixed. he didn’t defend it against fedor and ppl think it was fixed. Seems kinda contradictory. Tim just doesn’t have the heart, it’s not fedor’s fault.

Why would you have to fix a fight involving the greatest fighter? Do you also think Silva/Irvin was fixed? He went down and out after one punch and turtled up like Leonardo and Donatello.

When Fedor and Anderson fight, the fights are not fixed. They are just THAT good. So what you should do is simply bet money on each of thier fights and be happy that there actually is “free money” to be made.

LOL VM, I actually read a thread where someone said silva’s fights were fixed because he just looked so good doing what he does. I just can’t understand these ppl.

Yeah, all of that Fixed talk drives me insane!

NO fights in mma are FIXED!!!! Simple as that! Fedor and Silva are that good that they just blow through everyone!

Tim was Rocked, that why he couldnt defend that choke, plus after tasting Fedor’s power he wanted OUT OF THAT FIGHT!!!

to say NO fights are fixed is ignorant and naive, but this one wasn’t!!!!!!

so you tell me, which fights were fixed? have some in mind?

so you think kimbo/thompson was legit? there is a list of works somewhere, most notably in pride! they were known to offer side “loss” bonuses!

why don’t you show us the list than? and yes, I thought the fight between kimbo/thompson was legit so sue me We can always argue when a fight was stopped prematurely or wasn’t stopped at the right time, this argument goes back to the very beginning of MMA.

also, hope you’re not talking about rampage saying he was offered money to loose to saku, since page is the only person that bad mouths pride, I don’t think he is a credible source. But show me the list anyways, I’m curious now LOL.

your opinion on the Kimbo/Thompson fight is cool with me linx. I know there is a list out there, if you really want me to find it, I will, but go to sherdog and search it yourself if able…I’m tired and sick today!

KEVIN. i dont think the kimbo/thompson fight was fixed, but it was set up more in favor for kimbo to win.if it was fixed, kimbo would have won by 1rst rnd ko. now the kimbo/bo cantrell fight is a different story. kimbo never actually landed a punch on bo and bo definetly took a dive. wether he was paid off or scared is the only arguement, and i cant imagine an mma fighter with 20 pro fights to his name to be that scared of a fighter in only his 2nd pro mma fight. plus with gary and jared shaw promoting, anything can happen. btw there is a good video of jared shaw on mmarated.com after sat nights fight. he looks all coked up acts very defensive. he still refers to his dad as gary and not dad, wierd.

here “lazy” linx, took me 30 seconds to find this for you:
Fights that are generally considered by consensus to be worked or thrown:

Oleg Taktarov vs. Anthony Macias (UFC VI) – According to Macias, Buddy Albin the local site promoter and manager of both fighters threatened that Macias’ career would be over unless he took a dive against Oleg. Oleg was unware of this. Macias went on to win titles in several Albin-promoted events. Buddy Albin was a total sleeze bag BTW.

Dan Severn vs. Mitsuhiro Matsunaga (U-Japan) – Severn denies that his fight against pro wrestler Matsunaga was worked, but watching the fight itself leaves little doubt and the general consensus is that this was a worked fight.

Kimo vs Kazushi Sakuraba (S-Cup) – This was billed as a legit NHB fight on a Shootboxing card, but it turns out it was not legit (another NHB fight on the card, M. Illioukhin vs Mestre Hulk was legit). The fight looks very real and Kimo lands a number of really solid shots and headbutts. There are several versions of what took place in this fight, but perhaps the closest thing to the truth is the version that has Sakuraba carrying Kimo for most of the fight before finally taking a dive without Kimo’s knowledge. That would explain Kimo throwing real shots and Sak playing defense the whole time and also the fact that Kimo vehemently (and convincingly) insists it was legit, yet Sakuraba has said on several occasions that his first shoot MMA fight was the Conan Silviera fight, not the Kimo fight.

Murakami Kazunari vs. John Dixon (Pride 1) – It was well-known in the fight community even before the first Pride took place that the Kazunari-Dixon and Kitao-Jones fights would be works. Pride’s initial intent was to showcase different types of fights in addition to NHB – full contact karate, kickboxing and also shoot-style works like RINGS and PWFG. Later Pride would be more secretive about its worked fights.

Koji Kitao vs Nathan Jones (Pride 1) – See above.

Nobuhiko Takada vs. Kyle Sturgeon (Pride 3) – All of Takadas “wins” were blatant works. This is pretty much common knowledge.

Nobuhiko Takada vs. Mark Coleman (Pride 5) – See above.

Nobuhiko Takada vs. Alexander Otsuka (Pride 7) – See above.

Fights that are suspected of being works but there is no consensus agreement:

Don Frye vs. Mark Hall 3 (Ultimate Ultimate 2) – Several months after the fact Hall claimed that in the locker room before the match Frye had offered him $50,000 to take a dive so he would be fresh when he fought Tank in the finals (Frye had had a grueling match with Goodridge in the opening round and was exhausted). Hall came out with his accusations because, he said, Frye never paid him. Frye vehemently denied it and said Hall was a disturbed individual. Hall was blacklisted by the fight community and never fought again. The jury is still out on this one.

Naoya Ogawa vs. Gary Goodridge (Pride 6) – Anytime a pro wrestler (other than Sak) gets a win in Pride people will claim it was a work. Gary denies this was a work but many people suspect it was. Hard to tell for sure.

Naoya Ogawa vs. Masaaki Sataki (Pride 11) – See above.

Vitor Belfort vs. Joe Charles (Ultimate Japan 1) – Vitor was sick and refused to fight unless he was able to pick his opponent. He chose Charles who was one of his training partners at the time. No strikes were thrown in what turned out to be a grappling match, with Vitor winning by armbar. Whether this was a worked fight or they simply had a gentleman’s agreement not to strike is open to question.

Mark Schultz vs. Leopoldo Montenegro (Jungle Fight 1) – Schultz claims this was work but everyone else involved denies it. There have been questions about some of Montenegro’s other fights in the Inoki run promotion as well.

b.w. do you mean the fight with tank? kimbo actually hit bo, but tank went down on wind for sure. I still don’t think the fight was fixed though, tank could have just been looking for some easy cash. I hadn’t watched tank fight for a long time, but I was able to catch him in pride against yoshida, and the dude just didn’t do anything, I mean anything! He was on top draging yoshida through the floor as if it was a cage and seemed lost, definitely the second most funny moment in MMA (we just had the funniest with chris cyborg this weekend). But again, this could be the credibility of the fighters and not the promotion, there needs to be a lot of evidence for me to support something like a fight being fixed. If I found out fights are being fixed, I’ll stop watching MMA completely, and I don’t think for one that any MMA organization would drop to such level, two, that a referee that works for any athletic commission would also drop to such level.

Kevin, I actually watched the Takada vs Coleman fight and Otsuka fights unfortunately, and they were definitely fixed, even the announcers here in Brazil were laughing as the fight went along. with that said, those other ones you mentioned I either haven’t watched or just don’t remember. Still, even if they were in fact fixed, they were done a long, LONG… time ago, and many in smaller organizations aside from Pride/UFC. How come this list doesn’t have anything from recent events? this doesn’t help you and many others that say some fights are fixed, this list is old and there nothing recent…

I never said any fights recently were works, just that you’re naive to think it doesn’t happen!

it doesn’t happen today, and didn’t you imply the thompson/kimbo fight were works?

no I simply asked if you though it was legit!

come on Kevin, when the question is “which fights were fixed?” and the answer is “so you think kimbo/thompson was legit?”, you are implying the kimbo/thompson fight was fixed. there is no way around that, and I’m not even an native english speaker…

let’s get on the same page though, are you saying that the kimbo/thompson fight was legit? could you also say honestly that all MMA fights you’ve seen recently were legit? I think they are, what say you?

I say any fight Kimbo is in (in elite) bet him!

LINX. no i meant bo cantrell. i never saw a real punch land, maybee a grazing one and bo hit the deck and tapped before kimbo could even get close to him. bo was not hurt in that fight. as far as tank, he could have got up as well, but i dont think that was fixed, tank just wanted an easy payday. maybee bo did as well. in general though i dont think mma fights are fixed at all. like i said in a post down below, there is alot more to be made by winning than there is to get paid to throw a fight.

oh ok, I thought you were talking about tank because you mentioned 20 pro fights and bo was also making his debut in MMA, but I guess you meant the boxing fights.

yeah his record was 10-10 at the time and i dont know how many were boxing or mma. i dont think it was bo’s mma debut though. i will try and look that one up.

sherdog has bo cantrell’s MMA record as 10-10, no boxing was mentioned.

my bad, I’m actually confusing this fight with the ray mercer exhibition match, I haven’t watched kimbo’s fight with bo, I’m not sure he was a boxer as well, I was thinking of ray and saying bo LOL

LOL Kevin, is that a no? give me a straight answer, on the last one you were trying to go around the question. You’d make a great politician BTW LOL.

I don’t think anyone has mentioned that Guy Metzger claims he was offered money to get submitted in Pride.

yeah, performance enhancers make you a lot braver, it’s after he got his arm snapped that he popped a dirty drug test!