UFC Quick Quote: St. Pierre ‘needs to prove himself’ before fight against Anderson Silva
By: MMAmania
“That sounds great … I think GSP is an incredible fighter. But I think GSP needs to prove himself. He still hasn’t had a successful title defense [at 170 pounds]. I don’t really feel that he deserves (a fight against Anderson Silva fight) yet. Go defend your title a few times and then we’ll talk.”
– Ed Soares, the manager and translator for UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva, tells Pro MMA Radio that UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre still has a little work to do before locking horns with the Brazilian anytime soon. “Rush” has often talked about taking on new challenges in the middleweight division as long as he clears out his 170-pound class first and no friend of his (Patrick Cote included) is a current champion.
(Thanks to “Mr. Sunshine” Steve Cofield for the assist.)
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I agree.
GSP had one fluke loss and now he has to prove himself? You’re kidding me right? GSP may not have as dominant striking as Silva but as a whole I think GSP is a little better. My reasoning for that is GSP’s wrestling dominated one of the best wrestler’s in the world(Koscheck), and if you watch any of his fights, his athletecism is one of a kind. If a fight like that happened, I see GSP taking Silva down and working him on the ground. If Fat Lutter can do it, I’m sure GSP would have no problem.
You are a Frenchie Nuthugger, Anderson Silva would work GSP, look at the Hendo fight, you think “Rush”(said in my best lispy voice) would out wrestle Hendo? Me neither!
The article’s right. GSP may have some strikes, but Anderson is light years ahead of him when it comes to that department. He still needs a little work to be worthy enough to face The Spider!
Maybe they should have silva fight cote and almeida at the same time.
Well, Anderson is the scariest person in MMA, if not the planet. But this article is suggesting that GSP isn’t even worthy of fighting him.. Didn’t James “The Tin Can” Irvin just get a shot? How has he proved himself? I’m not saying that GSP would win the fight, ’cause I don’t know, noone does, but if anyone is “worthy”, it’s him..
That just proves the point. Even though you’re the champ of your division, you don’t necessarily get to jump up and fight the champ in the next division. Silva came to Irvin’s weight class, not the other way around. Let GSP defend his title and become as dominant as Silva. And even then he should have to work through some MW contenders before stepping in the cage with Anderson, IMHO.
Obviously Anderson is the favorite in this fight and IMO would KO GSP within 3 rounds, but come on who would want to see Cote vs. Silva, this is a guy who gets handled in training by GSP. So why not, IMO GSP’s striking is second only to Anderson with regard to MW’s. And i don’t want to hear about how Serra knocked him out, it’s a fight, flukes do happen. if you disagree look up Ryo Chonan vs. Anderson and watch this invincible fighter get subbed with a flying heel hook by a fighter who isn’t worthy to carry GSP’s towel. all i’m saying is why not, 2 of the best going toe 2 toe, if you don’t wanna see that you’re not a fan of the sport. maybe we should have a #1 contender match between evan tanner and my great aunt…
Well, BJ seems to think that just because hes the LW champ he can hop into the WW division and take on GSP.. Last time he fought there he lost to Hughes.. And Silva only fought Irvin because 3 or 4 other LHW fighters turned the fight down due to short notice.. I just think that GSP is the next logical step in Silva’s path of destruction.. I’d pay to see it..
PS. Henderson lost at 205 and immediately got a title shot at 185.. How did he prove himself?
because he was pride champ of 185 and 205, belt unification
Fedor is scarier surely???
brendan’s right Hendo lost at 205 but was currently holding belts in both divisions. so even though he lost the 205 lb pride belt to rampage he was still the pride 185 lb champ which gives him an immediate title shot.
I don’t know then, maybe I’m just crazy, but I would want to see this fight happen more then just about any other fight possible. They are both in their prime, and are top athletes in the sport.. Why not?
Don’t get it twisted Caper, I’m on your side with regard to wanting the Silva vs. GSP match-up FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!
c-war: I’m on the other side of the table on this onw with you..Anderson Silva is such a dominant Champion..such an aura about the guy..it’s a bit Fedorish. You refer to GSP out working Kos on the ground.. and how Lutter did what??
Serious.. Lutter mounted him in the first set and did nada..Silva when toe to toe with Dan “Built Ford Tuff” henderson..and what happened to the former U.S Olympic athlete..he got tapped by Silva. Didn’t GSP go the distance with Kos this passed year..Well the last time Silva went the distance. was in 09.11.04.
Gs class act.. I’m a fan of his.. but I’m being realistic here..with GSP wanted to move up to 185..currently he would barely come out the 1st round against Silva. That is how good Silva is. GsP needs to beat Fitch in a dominant fashion..go and defend the 170lb title a few times.. more then 2x..then I’ll entertain the idea of seeing GsP square up against Silva.. For now my advice for GSP..go on a tear through the current WW UFC division.. beat Fitch, Alves, BJ Penn part2, someone else.. then get your manager on the phone..and say ” I want to destroy Anderson Silva “
GSP walks around at 190, Silva walks around at 220 (did you see him at 205? Hes big. Love GSP, but I agree, Silva would dismantle GSP in 2 minutes flat, and I dont care how good a wrestler or athletic GSP is. IMO, Dan had the best chance against Silva, but he blew it in the 2nd round because he got wrecklace and abandoned the game plan.
Agreed Phil. What Ed Soares said is pretty much exactly what I’ve been saying. He has yet to defend the UFC belt. That means if GSP were to never fight again, he wouldn’t even be able to KEEP a UFC belt. You need to successfully defend the belt before you get to keep it forever.
Cwar said it himself, GSP went the distance with Kos. But Anderson goes the distance with…… nobody. Hendo is a MUCH better wreslter and he is WAY more experiences and WAY more well rounded than Josh Koscheck. Silva disposed of him with ease in the 2nd round. GSP had to Lay N Pray on Kos for 15 mins to squeeze out a decision. And enough with this “he wanted to beat him at his own game” WRONG. He was scared to stand with the inferior Kos because he was coming off his KO loss to Serra. He is scared. ANd now he thinks he can fight the most dangerous striker in the world when he won’t even stand and bang with a wrestler? WTF?
GSP losing to Serra is the equivalent to Anderson Silva losing to Dean Lister. It will NEVER happen.
If GSP ever does fight the Spider, there will be a LONG moment of silence up in Canada after GSP is laying on the canvas with his life in danger.
TRUE THAT!
No point in GSP moving up in weight right now, especially since I am not convinced that he can defeat the Lightweight champion BJ Penn, who is gunning for his welterweight title and a shot at redemption! If he is going to struggle with the champ of a lower weight class, he sure as hell aint ready to move up in weight and take on the Spider, the most dominant champ that the UFC has seen in years! Its just not going to happen, so we should put this whole conversation to bed right now!
The last time that GSP was able to demolish someone like Anderson Silva can was against a way past his prime Matt Hughes. The time before that was ….. 2005 against Sean Sherk, who is a LW.
Silva is much more of a finisher than GSP.
NO DOUBT! I co-sign all of that!
Ok, so what you’re all saying is people like Irvin, Cote, and Okami deserve an opportunity to fight Silva and a current UFC Champion does not and needs to prove himself? That’s kind of disrespectful if you ask me. Who would you have winning a fight between GSP and Cote or Okami? My point exactly..
yea, good call… someone else = jake shields! GSP, Please don’t act like he’s not there.
I think Cote would have a good chance of KOing GSP.
GSP gets the better of Cote in training. Cote has a shot at KOing anybody, but he doesn’t have a “good” chance to do it against GSP.
It’s not disrespectful to have Silva fight a few people in the LW division before he gets fights for the belt. Besides it would only increase his stock, make him a legend in the sport title (if he’s not already) and that much more undisputed. Silva fought who was available on short notice to distract mma fans away from watching Affliction- nothing more, nothing less.
VM, Yep GSP is afraid to strike with Kos, but he WANT’S to fight the most dangerous striker in the UFC (Silva). That sound logical lol. “GSP losing to Serra is the equivalent to Anderson Silva losing to Dean Lister. It will NEVER happen”. You mean kinda like when he would never lose to Chonan. Nice try about Silva never losing to the likes of Serra. GSP would never lose to a guy with a record of 12-8 and 7-12 (that’s right 7-12, more losses than wins), however Silva already HAS.
c-war – I think GSP needs several title defenses first. He’s still too green compared to the more experience Anderson Silva. I think Silva manager is right.
Ed Soares is right. I’m a GSP fan, but its true – GSP hasn’t even successfully defended his title yet. Call it a fluke loss all you want, Matt Serra demolished him and left him laying on the mat.
Let him get past Fitch first, and get in some successful fights with the winner of Alves/Fitch or BJ before moving up to contend for the 185 belt. And I’d say the same even if he wanted to fight Anderson in a non-title catchweight bout – until he starts successfully defending his title, there’s no current justification for putting the welterweight division on hold so he can fight The Spider, no matter how much I’d like to see that fight.
At this point, I believe BJ is more deserving of a rematch with GSP, than St. Pierre is of fighting Silva. He hasn’t eliminated all of the top contenders yet (though he’s close) and hasn’t beat everyone who was considered to be a threat to him stylistically (yet) unlike Anderson.
No, Ed Soares isn’t right, he just DOESN’T listen right. Neither do all the guys that are agreeing with him. GSP said, he wants to go to MW AFTER he CLEANS the WW div. As it stands now GSP has beaten every guy he’s faced and when he finishes cleaning the WW div. his record will only be that much better. If anyone thinks GSP doesn’t deserve a shot at Silva after he beats Fitch and Alves or BJ(again), they don’t know shit.
you should be put down
lutter had spida on his back getting worked; then blew it
38 year old dan henderson was mashing spida’s face with hammerfists, then he blew it in the second round.
franklin decided to go toe to toe (twice), which was just a bad choice, when your fighting mr. stand-up; same with leben
marquardt is a submission guy, tried to fight stand-up. dumb again.
now silva fights Irvin at 205 and works him. not surprising
don’t get me wrong anderson silva is wicked but he takedown defense is very suspect. granted he can knock just about anybody out if they stand in front of him but I think if gsp did get his chance he would stay well away from his strenghs and keep silva’s ass flat on the mat. this fight won’t happen for a while. gsp needs to gain some weigh and get a couple fights @ 185
my guess is that gsp fights silva at the end of 2010 at 185 and puts his nose through the mat.
its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.
if gsp dominates fitch, I think most people will change their tune
as a footnote, check out fightmetric.com. they had an article about how gsp has only been taken down twice in his last 6-7 fights, and has a takedown efficiency of like 90 in those same fights. this was a while ago so the article might be hard to find. It was in reference to the 3rd hughes fight I believe (pre-fight)
OJ79–completely agree. Silva can be beaten, I’m just starting to think all of his opponents are retarded, they pretty much go toe to toe with Silva’s strengths, and Lutter was the only one smart enough to stay away from that, and was about 1 second away from ending that fight, If Lutter had any finishing capabilities and could breathe normally, Silva woulda lost that fight. And if you say I’m wrong, go watch Lutter’s fight against Franklin…text book locked arm bar, and he gets out, that’s horrible. Everyone else wanted to stand with Silva and if you do that, you’re gonna lose plain and simple. GSP has the best takedowns in the game, so I definitely see it happening in a Silva match up.
you two are great and bringing up moments in fights that Silva “almost” lost, and yet forget GSP tapped from strikes against a former lightweight, Matt Serra. You see him destroy Hughes, which Thiago alves also did. you see him destroy Serra, and you think this guy is amazing and sexy. GSP has got skills, just doesn’t quite have A Silva skills. he may even currently have the skills and just can’t get his head together to display them. People stand with Silva because they have no choice. The fight starts standing, he has about three inches reach on most people he fights, so shooting requires eating a few on the way in. eating a few silva strikes is going to stun you no matter who you are so the takedown attempt is less effective. GSP might be able to take him down, but then he would be put in a body triangle and sit in guard until stood back up.
GSP is amazing and sexy lol
I second that. I don’t care if the guy never wins another fight in his life. I love him.
Great technique analysis James S
James ,you forget Silva has been tapped by MUCH worse than Serra. Silva has lost to a couple of REAL cans (7 wins- 12 losses), Takase choked him out in the first round. Don’t bring up GSP’s 1 bad night,when refering to Silva, because Silva has had more bad nights than GSP will ever have.
You say if Lutter can get Silva to the ground, so can GSP, well I say if Serra can knock out GSP, Silva sure can!!!
Actually I think Ed is right, there’s still minimum 2 tough fights for GSP after Fitch in the welterweight division. Sanchez, Alves, BJ Penn or Karo. Of course I think GSP could beat them all, the toughest challenge by far will be BJ Penn.
Yeah because Anderson Silva sucked against one of the worlds greatest wrestlers in Dan Henderson. I could see how you would think that. I think Silva is to much and to rounded for GSP right now. He will be not be the bigger man in the ring. Anderson looked huge against Irving at 205 when everyone was saying that he maybe to small for 205. I think GSP at 185 gets owned by Anderson. GSP should try to remeem that BJ Penn fight first. He also needs to worry about defending the title a few times. He is is the most stacked division in MMA and has not been able to defend yet and he is talking about going to fight the best pound for pound fighter there is now.
The difference of GSP not defending his title and him entering his 5th title defence against Fitch, is 1 bad night. That translator should get a translator, so he can understand what GSP said. He simply stated that it was a possibility to move up to 185, ONLY AFTER business was taken care of at WW. GSP never said he was moving up tommorrow.
Big GSP fan, but Silva would destroy him. At the pace Silva is going, he’ll destroy Fedor……lol
I don’t like how the UFC is now taking their top fighters in each division and trying to move them around for ratings. Whatever happened to longterm champs who rarely lost (I guess I’m still a boxing fan as well). UFC needs a way to have rankings per division and make their fights based on that.
GSP is one of my favorite fighters, but YES he still needs to p[rove himself. He still HAS NEVER successfully defend the title, something he must too before he starts dreaming about Mega fights with the spider.
I agree, until the UFC gets a ranking system that is made available to the public, they will be able to put together
whatever fights they want, awarding the morte marketable fighters, and giving the shaft to the most deserving fighters.
IMO, F the marketing! I want to see fighters who Bring it! Not fighters who are popular to the main stream morons! I could care less if thy speak Enlgish, ort need trranslators, I could care less if they even g ive interviews. I just want to see TOp fighters who earned their place to match up with each other and go to WAR!
Sorry FORREST!!!
I totally AGREE.
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LMAO…. Phil, that pic of you pullingo ff the Kimura was badass! What belt are you?
I’m a purple Nogi…I still feel I’m a blue with gi.. it’s been a minute since I trained in it. Thnks. man.. I was happy one of my training partners had the sense of mind to go around the ring to capture that shot. Believe it or..about 45 secws b4 that moment..the guy had my back..both hooks in..arm across my throat and all that.. but I find a way to get out..if you see my face..I wanted to take his arm home with me.lol.
Last time we talked I thought you said that you had that dude’s arm displayed on your mantle?
What tournament was that?
yeah that was an awesome pic, and u dd look like you were trying to take his arm home with you! GOos stuff phil!
That was a submission match at the Fight House in NYC. It was a team (IFL) type of event. I think they named ICON something..I’m not sure.
PHil, I may have to make an appearance at your next tournament and come root you on!
That would be awesome!!!!!.. I’m refocusing my training now.. in a few a months.. Operation Rolling Thunder will be a go!!!
I will be there for support my friend! count on it!
Shouldn’t you guys have a private chat room?
Na only kidding, am interested. Phil do you train mma as well or just BJJ? I have been training MMA for some time and am looking to get into the jits side of things as well.
I find ‘MMA’ BJJ (we do practice it but not to any good school standard) is so different to the ‘pure’ BJJ because your always thinking about strikes.
Nick J : I complete BJJ artist.. I love all facets of ground work.. my wrestling to date..pretty much sucks..but I’m with a real good wrestling coach now.. and I’m loving the knowlegde he is passing on to me.
I have yet to train in all aspect of MMa..but plan to do so soon.
When I train BJJ I always think of self defense first.. I think of what my opponent would do in a real fight.. if I’m on my back..in guard.. or half guard.. I train myself to see where strikes may come from and I do train valetudo BJJ.. which strikes are allowed as your grappling..( be very good at sport BJJ before you want to incorporate strikes into your rolling session IMO )..cuz that changes the landscape of a fight. What city do you live in?? Depending where you are.. the good BJJ schools may be alot to slim to none.. if your in a place that has slim to none..my suggestion..find someone with good jits..good teaching/coaching techinques and have him teach out of the academy where you train at…if the owner is cool with that.
Thanks for the advice.
Yeah i suppose thats how a lot of people train, always thinking the ‘what if’ strikes were allowed.
I live in London mate.
I am thinking about enrolling in Roger Gracie’s school… what do you think? I’ll be honest the name carries a lot of weight but his resume looks pretty hot too.
http://www.rogergracie.com/
I’ve got no interest in training with gi as its specifically MMA i want to train for.
I do love the BJJ aspect tho, prefer catching someone in a sweet sub than a good shot, its pure satisfaction.
Roger Gracie.. is Gracie Barra!!! Great place to train!! Go fo r it. If I were in London..that would be the school I’ll would go to.
Thanks, will do.
The only other fight right now that I want to see Anderson Silva in is against Fedor Emelianenko. Then we’ll see who the true p4p fighter of the world is. I think Fedor is the only guy who can cut to 205 and demolish Silva. That fight needs to happen. Forget Couture/Fedor, forget GSP/Silva. Silva/Fedor is the only fight that makes sense right now.
damn straight
GSP doesn’t deserve a fight with anderson silva! totally true. how many times did he defend his title? haha. forget it! “win” a few and maybe he’s up to par then. as for now, HELL NO!!!!
as for BJ PENN, he IS wiping out the lightweight division and after he defeats huerta (which we all know BJ will dominate), he then deserves that title shot with GSP (that’s if GSP can hold it that long)!
HELL NO?
i don’t know but… i think… that will made a EXCITING FIGHT don’t you? I mean… just for the promotion, the bla bla and everything.
2 of the top 3 P4P MMA Fighters face to face! WOOT!
Don’t deserve it? Why would he be class so high in the P4P list if he doesn’t deserve it?
Why should he kick some 170 ass before to fight Silva? Both are their PRIME!! HELL YES!!
GSP already beat your BabyJ! But yeah, that will be a exciting one too…
That’s what i want, the BEST FIGHTS Available PLZ!!
Why should he kick some 170 ass before to fight Silva? Because he should still get in at least SOME successful title defenses before moving up to challenge another division’s champ, that’s why.
Yes, GSP already beat BJ – in a very close split decision. BJ on the other hand has been dominating his own weight class though, and is a former WW champ, something people tend to forget…he’s more than deserving of a rematch with GSP before any fight with Anderson Silva.
And yes, GSP/Silva sounds like an exciting match-up…but so does GSP/Penn II IMO….why NOT have both?
Penn has beaten 3 guys in the UFC since his come back and lost to Hughes and GSP. I think Penn should be clearing out his division and showing that his focus is entirely on MMA now before he moves up to fight GSP. GSP has beaten on some very dominant ground guys ie. Hughes, Penn, Sherk and Kos. Silva has beaten down Franklin, Lutter, and Hendo. GSP beats Fitch and then beats the winner of Thiago Diego with some dominance and I think that he should have the option of moving up. I really do not think that GSP, Penn, or Silva should get a straight shot at the title holder of another division. They should still have to fight a couple of the top contenders to prove themselves and not waste the time of the champ and the number one contender of that weight class.
Are you even listening to what you are saying. GSP doesn’t deserve to move up and BJ does, LMFAO. BJ has ZERO title defences and he already went up to WW and LOST 2 for 2. GSP is almost done cleaning his division, BJ has only fought Joe and Sherk,LOL. BJ will be fighting Florian, not Huerta and Florian is a harder fight (style wise) than Sherk.
Well said! Although he is my favorite UFC fight I agree that GSP needs to at least defend his title to demonstrate his ability to overcome the ultimate challenge of his preferred weight class before attempting a run at another especially when that other weight class is owned by who many agree to be the pound for pound best fighter in the world.
Yes but let Silva fight some bum at 205, for no apparent reason, why can’t GSP have an exibition fight at 185 too, because thats all the Irvin fight was.
Good point. I have to agree with you, but GSP needs to not get big-headed because he tends to lose focus.
yea but no one was saying that he’s not gonna test the waters at 185, just that the superfight with silva wont happen yet. plus theres still the rematch with Bj that everyone wants to see, so its going to be a while before he hits 185. GSP v Fitch, GSP v BJ, GSP v Sanchez/Alves… theres a few fights on the horizon and who knows how well anderson will be doing by that time…. we all know well though lol, silva is a beast
There will never be a GSP-Sanchez fight,because Diego will never beat the top guys it takes to get to GSP.
I’m ok with that. If GSP defends his title against Fitch, then I would love to see him test the waters at 185. I think he is about as talented as the Spider, but I think he will run into problems with the Spider’s size. He is going to give up 4″ in height and prob. 20 to 25 lbs. in weight. I think the Spider will be more sucessful at moving up because he is not really going to be out sized that much. He is 6′2″ and they say he walks around at 210-215 lbs. People said that Irvin was going to be much bigger than Silva, but to me during the fight, Silva looked every bit as big as Irvin.
No way GSP should even think about moving up until he clears out the WW division. And as deep as the division is, I don’t think it will happen.
Maybe, but if GSP can get past Fitch the only two people he would be at risk against are Alves and BJ. Other than those two I don’t see any other WW beating him. I think 3 defenses and he should get Silva. I would love to see BJ pull a Roy Jones Jr. and win WW and then challenge for MW but he’s just too small.
I say GSP beats Fitch and we put him in against Martin Kampmann at MW to see how he does, winner gets Anderson.
Probably more like 10 lbs. GSP is already 190 and I’m sure he could at least get to 195 when he isn’t cutting to 170. Silva looked much bigger at 205 (fight time 210-215),so he obviously isn’t fighting at 210-215 at 185. More like 200-205.
irvin wasn’t exactly a bum though, he’s not an A class fighter but he’s no bum..
the difference between the gsp going up and anderson going up is anderson has fought anyone who is deserving of a shot against him (exceot okami who was lined up for a shot before the injury) gsp just got his belt he needs to fight alves,sanchez,fitch,serra again,and probably koscheck again
but remember 3 guys turned down the fight before james fought anderson
GSP needs to defend his title at leats once guys.
Do you actually think GSP will fight Silva within the next 2 weeks.LOL. Well then, there is your first title defence. I believe he has a few more fights at WW and SO DOES GSP and so would everone talking like he said he was moving up right now. He clearly said he wants to clean the WW division FIRST, why is that so hard to understand? What’s with all the , “he doesn’t deserve it” “He hasn’t defended his belt yet”. Did I miss the latest interveiw, where he says he doesn’t want to get some title defences and clean the rest of the division first?
Ed Knows whats up.. GSP needs to defend the title atleast 3 more times before thinking of moving up in weight.
And Anderson would destroy him anyways. Im Canadian I Love GSP But Hes Not Ready For Silva. Silvas on whole nother level.
Makes a lot of sense to me… And Anderson should be eyeballing 205ers not 170’s. He looked like a beast at 205 and there are so many incredible fights for him there. I really hope he changes his mind about not wanting to move back up to 205 after he beats Cote.
I think he should move up again to fight Chuck. Dana probably won’t let it happen though, he’ll protect his boy from the possible embarrassment of getting out classed by Silva.
IMO Iceman will get schooled by The Spider. And when it comes to the ground[if it ever ends up there], no further questions need to be asked.
I’d love to see Silva get knocked on his ego.
Neither Silva nor GSP seem to be guys with big egos. They both seem pretty humble and down to earth. I think it’s hard to dislike either one of them.
The UFC shouldn’t even bother booking the Cote fight. Its just wasting 4 months of Anderson Silva in his prime. The only difference between the Silva/Leben fight and a potential Silva/Cote fight is that Cote will not get up after the first combination he’s hit with, he’ll be out cold. But Leben’s iron chin allowed him to get back to it and take more of a beating.
Anderson Silva can choose the exact round, minute, and even second that he will end the fight. Both Anderson and Fedor have the ability to end the fight at any moment no matter what. Its just a matter of when do they want to end the fight. They just toy with their opponent and then destroy them.
It is pretty remarkable how good Anderson has become at this point in his career. I really like Cote, but that fight just seems like he would be moving backwards. There is absolutly nobody at 185 that even poses a challenge to him. It seems like the best move for him, us fans, and the UFC in general is to move to 205. I am sure Dana will work on him. There are big money matches at 205.
Its truly remarkable the level that Silva has reached. He is now, up there with Fedor as the most unstoppable men alive, and like mike pointed out, Fighters that can end a fight whenever they want, with many different ways. Its really amazing to see and I think MMA is reaching a golden age! Its going to start to get really really good because DREAM just recieved their highest TV rating ever in Sunday nights event, which means they are growing at a very good rate. Affliction has only had 1 show, but I believe that they are already ahead of the curve.
Fedor and Silva are really on a level thats just amazing. The funny part is that they are both still young (Fedor is actually younger)./…also, if BJ, stays commited, we will have to put him on that level very soon. If he goes in there and finished Huerta/Florian and GSP….Then he can not be kept off of that list of elite fighters!
You’re right BNF…And Okami is a joke. He’ll just be eatin’ Silva up-kicks all night long…
I agree john…Fedor and Silva are in a league of their own. Bj Penn is not to far..but not close enought to get into their club.. I wonder if an mma board of sorts..like how in the ” Masters” of Golf.. that green jacket.. Fedor and Silva already got those green jackets.
Exactly!
LOL VM, Cote has TWICE the chin Leben will ever have. Cote has never even been rocked. Your in for a surprise if you think Cote won’t at least last WAY longer than Leben did.
no one said anything about GSP fighting a bum at 185, we’re talking about GSP fighting the champ at 185, and he is not worthy
Yup. I don’t see why people feel he deserves a shot at silva when he doesn’t have 1 single title defense. The “0 title defense” argument is basically impervious to anything gsp nuthuggers can toss at you when discussing p4p status.
And your argument is basically POINTLESS when NO ONE (especially GSP) said he was going anywhere until he does have some title defences. I like how so many make it sound like Silva is such a hero with his 3 title defences (that’s right ONLY 3) and make it sound like GSP will never get 1. Take away one bad night against Serra and GSP would be fighting for his 5th title defence, in 2 weeks.
I’m a big GSP fan and I agree that GSP isn’t ready. He needs to gain a little bit more experience before he steps up to this challenge. I think if they fight 10 times GSP right now wins 3 MAYBE 4 times. However, I would like to see GSP fight him. I’m really curious to know if GSP were to cut Silva…Would he bleed, or would you just see wires underneath. The guy is a machine!!!
Out of 10 times, I see GSP winning 2 times tops, abd thats if he gets lucky.
Also, I don’t know about everyone saying that GSP needs to clear out the WW division, he’s pretty much done it already. Belt or no belt. He’s faced a lot of guys that have been champions (Not necessarily in the UFC). I don’t know if Anderson has fought as many guys that were champions. I would just like to repeat that I’d like to see GSP get a little more experience. I’d like to see GSP have like 22-23 fights total before he takes a crack at Silva.
I think this will always be heavily debated because I doubt this fight will happen soon and if GSP wins people will say that he never fought Silva in his prime and if GSP loses, people would talk about why they didn’t fight at a catch weight instead of 185.
If GSP would shake some “spider” webs loose in the melon (now pun intended)…He can beat Anderson Silva anyday. Anderson Silva is a great fighter but so is GSP. I think GSP has proven himself on more levels with the UFC than Silva. I know GSP can beat Silva!
If you think GSP has proven himself on more levels than the Spider, you need to seek professional mental help because you are CRAZY! Silva is undefeated in the UFC, cleaned out the middleweight division by destroying everyone he’s faced, and moved up to the light-heavy weight division and destroyed James Irvin. Now, what has GSP done when compared to all that???
WOW. I agree with SPider Rulz.
“I think GSP has proven himself on more levels with the UFC than Silva.”
If you, holmz, only smoke weed, please tell me what strain you’ve be smoking because right now you sound like a crack / meth head.
GSP has beaten everyone he’s faced also and he never got any freebies like Leben and Lutter. I know GSP lost to the Matt’s the first time and I also know that at GSP’s age(or a few years older) the Spider had a few bad nights himself,losing to super CANS. What’s a super can? 7-12. When you lose WAY more than you win, you are a super can (Tank Abbott).
So yeah, I agree with saying GSp would probably lose, but why can’t he get a shot, If a mid level fighter named James Irvin gets a shot at him.
That makes no sense. If Silva moved up and fought Forrest first then you’d have a point there.
Why not, BJ couldn’t even win a belt at LW and jumped right up to a title shot with Hughes.
manager AND translator HAHAHAHA. I love how everyone jumps from fighter 2 fighter. Everyone haitn on Fedor, now everyone jumps back on the wagon. Now everyone’s on Anderson silvas n***
Are you just upset that no one is swinging from Chuck, GSP, Sean Sherk or Nate the Un-Great’s nuts anymore??
yep, he needs to take out Sanchez, Alves, and Fitch and then he can say hes the king of 170 lbs!
And a rematch with Penn.
Really who cares about a remach with an over rated BJ Penn, I think BJ needs to prove himself before he gets a chance at losing to GSP again, you guys say GSP has not proven himself ready to fight anderson but yet you think BJ should get a chance at GSP right away? the same GSP that has already beaten BJ
you’re right, he’s overrated because he’s the second guy next to Randy who held 2 belts in the UFC, competed in higher weight classes beating 2 Gracies, Gomi, Uno a partridge, and a pear tree.
Exactly…overrated
None of this will matter after Penn takes his belt back so why even bother about it all. It will be BJ Penn and Anderson Silva if anything. Sorry GSP fans, but within a year from now you wont have a leg to stand on and be riding 3rd in the polls behind Ando and BJ. BJ BJ BJ!!!
i’d be willing to bet penn makes 170 and is fat and out of shape again and gets his a$$ kicked..
say what you want about the first fight but look how far along gsp has came since then, and penn just added mediocre boxing.. i see a gsp domination in that one as much as i like bj penn he has about the same chance against gsp as gsp does against anderson
Are you living in the “woodworks” mang? In Penn’s recent interviews he’s stated that he will put the wait on the smart way, with muscle not fat. You sound like another GSP fan in denial. GSP is great, but Penn is supernatural.
Well put, im not replying to this crap anymore, you can take the leash Punishment, ill be more assertive when the fight nears, til then enjoy killing the oposition G!
Nice. We’ll have Silva as the 185 and 205 champ, and Penn the 170 and 155 champ.
That’s right PW!! WARRRRRR PENNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
In mY eyes, BJ Penn destroys anyone fighting at 170 lbs or less! Even GSP! GSP eeked out a questionabvle decision back when BJ was fighting at 170 lbs as the fat budah Penn. This time around, he will be a strong, well conditioned welterweight which spells a world of trouble for GSP!!! WAR BJ!!!
BJ will romp GSP pi seconds into the first round, then drink his blood with a straw like chocolate flavor EAS protein shake blended with bananas… get the brick ready! OH BOY!!!
ROFL!! “EAS protein shake blended with bananas”.. That’s classic mang!! You made my day
BJ Bores the hell out of me. Get off the BJ bandwagon. Lt me see BJ against a real contender. Sherk was one, but other than that I haven’t seen BJ doin some real damage yet.
actually sherk the striker is not that much of a contender, if I had bet money on him I would be still throwing headbutts to a concrete wall, that was the worst strategy ever.
Sherk wasn’t even striking, he was just brawling. He threw mostly hooks in that fight.
BJ bores you??? Please tell me the last time BJ Penn was involved in a decision. Oh yeah, it was against GSP! And that was a fat and out of shape that GSP couldnt’ finish.
lol @ real contender. uhh… at what weight? you could call it bandwagon. i call it, a lot of us are really big fans of his. Toe-mae-toe, Ta-mah-toe
I agree with Randy, not on the fat but on his evolution. BJ hasn’t evolved that much, GSP is moving up every single fight in every aspect of his game. Yes BJ is natural but he seems to have peaked a while ago. GSP on the other hand isn’t & won’t for another couple years. No comparaison; BJ will get killed by GSP
Yep, that’s what BJ fans neglect to see. That and the eyepoke really fu@ked GSP up for the rest(almost the whole) of the fight. This fight will be a totaly different ballgame and it is stacked in GSP’s favor. No way Sherk would make it out of the first with GSP now. BJ improved conditioning will be a moot point against GSP. GSP conditioning has also improved, so GSP will still gas Penn. BJ couldn’t sub GSP then,so I doubt he will sub GSP with his much improved BJJ. No matter how you look at it GSP wins. Wait until you see how much GSP will have improved when he fights Fitch, then add that much improvement again when he fights BJ. Good luck BJ.
Penn’s putting on muscle this time. He’s in good hands with strength-and-conditioning legend Mackie Shilstone.
http://www.mackieshilstone.com
Bj bj bj bj blah blah blah. I agree that bj is good but not that he is p4p. If anyone needs to prove themselves it’s bj. He’s only won 3 of his last 5 fights and only fought 7 times in 4 years. If he fights a few more times then il jump on the bj band wagon
same BJ who already lost to GSP?
Nope, it will be an in shape BJ, and are talking about the same GSP that got KTFO by Matt Serra??? BJ could fight Serra 1000 times and never lose.
you mean the same in-shape BJ who lost to GSP and Matt Hughes, or is there another BJ?
That was the old BJ playa.. Go watch the dvd’s and listen as Penn tell’s the camera he barely trained for the fight.. That was the old and unmotivated Penn. I don’t wanna hate on GSP because I think he’s a great fighter, BUT the only reason why he beat Penn is because he was able to secure takedowns on an already gassed BJ Penn. He didn’t go for any submissions and he was just trying to hold Penn down so he could get the decision, kinda like what Liddell did to Wanderlei at UFC 79. And please don’t bring up Matt Hughes VS BJ Penn cuz Penn would beat him 97 times out of a 100. Hughes is a future Hall of Famer, but BJ Penn has his number.
“Nope, it will be an in shape BJ, and are talking about the same GSP that got KTFO by Matt Serra??? BJ could fight Serra 1000 times and never lose”. You probably said the same thing about Hughes, until BJ got pounded. At least GSP got destroyed and then destroyed, BJ got destroyed LAST.
it’s true…i don’t know if Penn can match with St.Pierre at 170 but will dominate 155 for life!!
GSP vs. Silva can happen in late 2009 early 2010 after GSP defends his title at least 3 times…
can’t argue
lol @ “penn just added mediocre boxing” no, penn made all aspects of his game better, which were already phenomenal in the first place. on top of that, he is re-dedicated and newly focused like never before. an out of shape BJ turned GSP’s face into dog meat and took him to split decision. an in-shape BJ finishes GSP in round 1 or 2.
sorry off topic – why hasn’t UFC.com confirmed any other fights for UFC 88? We all know the expected card but nothing is concrete….. wtf
screw all these comments ANDERSON needs to not get big headed, whos the only good guy in the ufc he fought ? a shitty dan henderson who could have beat him if he followed a well executed game plan , anderson is as cocky as they come and to me he has not fought anybody of any caliber besides hendo in the ufc, he had some ok pride opponents, hendo is a very wild fighter. i don’t think bj penn can beat gsp cus bj’s cardio sucks at 170 and anderson still can’t defend takedowns on solid wrestler’s which is gsps strong base. i think it’s a great match up for fans, but my money is on pierre so silva still needs to prove himself and i think that the 205 class is where he can do it.
I’d only put money on GSP if he was a huge betting underdog.
Speaking of which, if they booked the fight right now, GSP vs Silva, what do you guys see the odds opening at. I can picture them as
Silva -220
GSP +170
That right there will be the closest to even odds that we’ll ever get on Anderson!
in the MW division.
Was finishing my sentence – “That right there will be the closest to even odds that we’ll ever get on Anderson in the MW division.”
So who else in the 185 division is “worthy” that he has not beaten yet?
I think it could play down this way.
GSP will fight Penn after UFC 87 and then fight the winner of Sanchez/Alves, and then fight at 185.
How about Franklin for a tuneup fight at 185?
I think U R right. There are some awsome 185ers out there. Franklin being one of them. Cats tend to forget about this guy because he lost to Silva, but he is still a champion & an awsome fighter. Franklin/GSP in a fight would be a definite show to see. My boy GSP would beat him, but it would be very interesting.
the franklin that beat lutter didn’t look like an awesome fighter to me.
I agree completely, i think Franklin is a spent force.
If Lutter had of even looked at a treadmill he’d have taken that one.
I love gsp but lets get real for a minute. He would get effd up by the spider. I think its all just bs hype anyways.
i have a big issue with that comment made by Silvia’s came.
let us not forget that Silvia got a title shot in only his second fight in the ufc.
and title or not, he has only beaten two fighters that are top contenders in the ufc. leben is an exciting gate keeper, franklin is one of them, and henderson is the other.
but gsp on the other hand beat serra, hughes, bj penn, sherk, koscheck, with trigg and a few others there too
please, i love silvia but just because you knocked out a 205 lb bum with a so-so record doesn’t impress me at the moment.
Nobody has lasted 2 full rounds with this guy and he has cleaned the whole division. There is no one left to fight. You gotta be jokin right?
Katch22 discredits Anderson’s opponents, but pumps up GSP’s.
Leben is a SOLID MW. He is in the Main Event of UFC 89. GSP never headlined a PPV without a title on the line. GSP only has 2 more UFC wins than Leben. YOu also left Nate Marquardt off your list of opponents who is a Top 10 MW on every list I’ve seen.
Then you go on to pump up GSP’s opponents. Matt Serra, who before the first fight with GSP was ranked WAY lower in the WW division that Leben was in the MW division. (IE Leben was ranked higher in his division than Serra was in his), and by the way, Serra is actually a LW. Matt Hughes is WELL past his prime and 1 dimensional. Anderson Silva has not fought any washed up fighters in the UFC. BJ Penn was a very close fight that went the distance. If BJ was in shape and trained like he does today, it would have been a different story. Sean Sherk. Boy does GSP beat a lot of LW’s. Koscheck, he couldnt’ even finish. He was scared to stand with Kos knowing that they first haymaker that landed would KO him. So he Lay n Prayed to a decision over someone that he should have killed in the first round. And Frank Trigg sure is better than everyone Anderson has fought. As a matter of fact, Twinkle Toes would probably be the favorite against Silva.
LOL
Leben was a brawler and he was on a LOSING streak around that time. He has improved his game a lot, but then he was shit and comparing him to GSP is laughable. In just over 7 months GSP will be HEADLINING his THIRD fight. That is unheard of. Name one other fighter to do that. GSP has headlined 33% of ALL UFC fights since December. Nice try comparing Leben to that.
Not to mention he will get ANOTHER one in before the year is out against BJ. Maybe the UFC knows something you don’t, GSP is a great fighter.
WOW. You’re a tough fan to please. The guy connects with nearly everything he throws. IT’S THE WAY HE WINS- PURE DOMINATION. not necessarily the resume. His loss record is deceiving too…Chonin’s ‘flying heel hook’ and Okami DQ. Spider has could easily have 2 losses.
Disagree. Chonan was winning that fight before the hook. He was controlling the fight and confusing Silva with his un-orthodox striking. He was very close to losing the fight anyway.
That’s not a bad thing either. Chonan was a decent fighter…Better than his record indicated.
Silva was dominating that fight. Chonan was getting kod if he didnt pull that wild sub out of his butt.
Easily have 2 loses against CANS. You should learn your fighters histery. What is so deceiving about losing to a guy that has 7 wins and 12 LOSSES? That’s right Sider lost to that LOSER. The other guys he lost to weren’t much better, minus Okami.
Who the hell is Silvia??? Correct me if I’m wrong, but didnt Katch22 predict that 205lb bum would beat the Spider???
*camp
Ive been thinking………… watching my turd swirl down the toilet is much more appealing to me than watching another Vera fight. Skid that dude allready man.
Ha ha, good summary
Sounds to me like they may be scared. GSP is tailor made to beat Silva. He would take Silva down at will and pound him out to a decision or TKO victory. Silva has the striking ability to KO GSP though but GSP is quick, he will avoid standing up with Silva.
that’s exactly what I was thinking, you don’t wanna have anything to do with silva’s stand up, the thing is that he is so quick he can push you and stand up, also if you don’t finish him sooner or later he will get up and punch you in the face.
Sounds arrogant to me. Silva was handed a highlight reel KO with Irvin, but an actual competitor like GSP has to “prove himself” please. I dont want to sound like a typical trash talking blogger cause I love watching both of these guys, and watching the two of them go toe-to-toe would give me a mma-boner.
lmao @ “mma-boner”
LMAO Mania.. I didn’t know you were an OBAMA supporter.
I’ve been wondering whats up with that. I guess all mma fans oppose McCain…
Mcain rules! As a president, he will have no time to waste worrying about how to ban mma so its a non issue. McCain is an old warrior! He is a G!
i love both these guys, but uh… interesting that nobody has brought up that fluke or not GSP was knocked out by Matt Serra and The Spider can KO any man.
Well if Cote is getting a title shot and maybe Bisping why not gsp?
This is how it is. All three guys, BJ, GSP, and Silva “own” their respective divisions. And there’s Cote, Fitch, and Huerta/Florian right up their alley’s.
None of which look too promising to be crowned King.
BJ does not fight often enough. Like the other guy said, he’s won 3 of his last 5, including a loss to Hughes. His slightly improved standup, gave him the edge over Sherk, but not by a lot. He did, however, look great in all departments against a very competent Stevenson.
GSP has cleaned up the TOP contenders at WW. ALL of them. He does have the one Blemish on his record. There is no excuse other than him looking past Matt Serra. BIG mistake! This made for a back-peddling of his lifetime. He has come back just to annihilate top-flight competition, out-wrestling wrestlers, out-striking everyone, just straight up cleaning house. Matt Hughes didn’t even see that kick coming, his bell was rung, and that was that.
Silva. He is easily the best at his weight, and could possibly be in other weights too. However, Franklin and Henderson, are the only two guy who are top fighters that he has beat. Moving up in weight for one fight against Irvin does NOT add to the P4P rank. (if there is one). If Silva wants to test the waters, fine. But rightfully so, UFC decided to start him with Irvin. According to that logic, BJ should have to start with Marcus Davis.
In saying all that, it’s clear that GSP is more deserving than Silva of anything in the UFC. With the exception of not having a title defense yet, he’s done what Silva and Penn have not.
The list of good WW’s is loooong! The list of good MW isn’t so long, but mid-way fighters. And by the looks of it, BJ will be king of LW’s for a while.
Looks to me like a debaters debate. With all different criteria to argue all day about, these converstions of these 3 will fly and fly until the fights actually take place. I for one, have a strong opinion to prefer GSP over the other two.
Let’s all argue now heheheeh.
GSP 4 PM!!!
Danny Williams for PM…GSP for Gov. General
Good comment mate, its not often on here i can be arsed to sit through a long post but just did.
Agree with all the above.
Now lets review the facts… Bj had previously held the 170 pound title in a fight against hughes, where as st pierre has not fought at 185. Not to sound like a nuthugger, but the fact is, bj has done what the others have not, bj has gone as high up in weight as 205 and given people problems. As far as gsp outwrestling penn, many of you must not realize who he is in the grappling world. Penns grappling prowess is arguably beyond big and little nog’s. 2 guys who win by grappling alone. As for taking penn down, if randy coture says penn is the hardest guy to take down he’s ever come across, and damn hard to hold, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say gsp isn’t gonna be able to “dominate” penn, espescially when you factor in his flexibility.
Nextly, what has GSP done that silva hasn’t??? I’ve only seen him dominate hughes and serra. Thats an accomplishment, but it doesn’t match teh utter domination of a very game franklin twice, a still very dangerous dan henderson. James Irvin was a fair start to establish whether silva had the chin for the division, not to mention theres alot of commotion in the lhw division with the loss of quinton jackson. you now have to figure out how to marker jackson liddell 3 (it will happen if liddell can win the belt), jackson wand. silva 3 (more then likely for a title shot) and find a way to keep guys like jardine in the mix to cash in on those fights. UFC couldn’t afford to give a more top level competitor because there is more money to be made.
That being said, gsp is a very game guy, but after recently doing a gsp seminar, and seeing silva in person, gsp has a HUGE size disadvantage. I’m going to go out on a limb and say silvas true walking weight is at elast 220, that guy is big, I always estimated he’d be my size in real life (and I am much bugger then gsp), no he’s bigger then me. I think any fight that gsp can take for experience, and the more time he can buy to work on technique is needed, he is a gifted fighter, but the fact is silva presents challenges unlike any he’s encountered.
Just my 2 cents
JAEE, I agree with everything other than the 1st paragraph, you know GSP already beat BJ right?…. You know that GSP couldn’t hang with BJ standing and took him down multiple times because he wanted to and DID keep it on the ground right?… GSP has outwrestled Koscheck in MMA and Koscheck was a national division I wrestling champion. GSP has been training in wrestling for 5-6 years with the candian olympic wrestling team and his BJ is almost equal to Penn’s. Penn is more flexible and can take a better punch. However GSP is quicker and more powerful. I think the result will be the same.. GSP will win by lay n pray.
There is one difference in this fight though… last time it was a 3 rounder, this time it’s a 5 rounder, I have to think time will favor BJ as it will give him more opportunties on his feet to KO GSP.
You’re right BJ has done what the others have not, LOST HIS LAST 2 FIGHTS at a higher weight. We don’t know what GSP and Silva can do at a higher weight, but we DO know that BJ is 1 for 3 at WW. Sorry, but a maybe is better than 1 for 3 any day.
if theres any fighter i cant stand more then Bisping its Gsp i hope Fitch destroys him. Let fight silva then we will see what a clown gsp really is
I got of subject there but Gsp in my opinion hasnt had an impresive win since he fought Shawn sherk, and i can back my opinion up. He won a split dec against BJ penn wich a lot of people thought Bj should have got, he laid on koshceck for 3 rounds which actally was the fight that made me really stard dislikeing Gsp, he rolled through a washed up one dementional hughes twice, he lost Serra then beat an out of shape out of practice Serra to earn his title back after being a one done champ. Someone said the list of good ww is long, well Gsp hasnt fought any of them hes been fighting the same two damn guys the last two years. Now he has to fight top compatition and i dont think he will make it through Fitch if he dose Alves Will destroy Gsp. Gsp is only a good fighter because he looks good fighting tomatoe cans, Silva would murder gsp, Gsp shouldnt evan bother, that fight would be over in 33 seconds.
I don’t understand the BJ nhuggers,, GSP beat BJ down, Matt hughs beat BJ down an GSP pounded hughes two times really quick and hard ,,in the same year around the sametime that BJ got punsihed by hughs bad!! BJ needs to win a few fights at his weight class to prove himself,,, Joe , sherk c’mon really this makes BJ pound for pound king ,,, give me a break… GSP made Sherk cry as he pounded him ,,, Joe daddy wouldnt stand a chance with GSP…I just don’t see it,, the whole BJ thing !!! all the nhuggers say that BJ got tired an that is why he lost & loses ,,, it makes me laugh, who doesn’t get tired ,, you lose because the other guys wears you out ,,, GSP pounded BJ once, an now they are going to cater to BJ’s wishes ,, he can wait an give himself a BJ ,,,GSP should get his wishes 1st an fight where he wants to!!!
It’s really difficult to take you seriously jsoph, when your grammar is uglier than Irvin’s face after the Silva fight.
im sorry, I will hit my spell check while blogging, or do I give a shit, if you were able to understand then I got my point across, and im not trying to be negative to you, but for real its a f##king blog, who cares
Even if his grammar was good, or perfect, it’s still really hard to take the kid seriously. Oh and if losing to A. Silva makes you a clown, where do you lay? Can you say “clown shoes”?
I love BJ, but boy, I don’t understand some of his fans. Matt Hughes beat BJ on Sept 23, 2006. Then Hughes lost to GSP on Nov 11, 2006. So you’re telling me, in LESS THAN 2 MONTHS TIME, Hughes became washed up?!?!
Even if we don’t count the 3rd round of Hughes-Penn, GSP finished Hughes in 6 minutes and 25 seconds, while Penn won the first 2 rounds against Hughes but didn’t finish.
Standard BJ nuthugger response to that = BJ broke a rib in the second Hughes fight, thats what lost it for him.
Just thought i’d beat someone else to the punch.
BJ PENN WOULD BEAT PIERRE IN A REMATCH. PENN DOMINATED HUGHES UNTIL HE GOT HURT. PENN TUNED UP GSP UNTIL HE GASSED. PENN HAS A CHIN, GSP SHOWS HES VULNERABLE. AND NOW HES IN SHAPE AND ON A MISSION. ANYONE AT 170 OR 155 SHOULDN’T WANT TO FIGHT BJ. THE GUY IS VERY DANGEROUS.
EVERYONE FORGETS HE WENT UP TO FIGHT RODRIGO GRACIE, BEAT HIM, FOUGHT MACHIDA TO A DRAW AT 205. THIS WAS EARLY ON IN HIS CAREER TOO. GRANT IT, GSP IS AN AMAZING FIGHTER BUT I WOULD WORRY ABOUT PENN IF HE MOVES UP, BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT SILVA. PENN IS NOT ONLY THE MOST TALENTED FIGHTER BUT HE’S SMART TOO. LOOK AT THE STRATEGY HE TOOK AGAINST SHERK. HE BOXED HIM TO DEATH.
MAY SOUND CRAZY BUT I THINK PENN WOULD GIVE SILVA A FIGHT. WOULD LOSE BUT IT WOULD BE A FIGHT I GAURANTEE THAT. BJ WAS NEVER KNOCKED OUT OR SUBMITTED!! INJURY IN THE HUGHES FIGHT NOT COUNTING.
BJ PENN SUPERFAN
Thank you Pat, it’s nice to see that some BJ fans realize ,you can’t have it both ways. If Hughes was washed up, BJ got it handed to him by a washed up Hughes. I don’t think Hughes is washed up, it’s just that in the last few years fighters have evolved a great deal and Hughes didn’t keep up.
I love Silva but the Spider is at his peak & I do not see him doing this for more than another year or 2 before moving out. GSP is the quickest evolving fighter to date. Every sinbgle fight has been something new with this guy. He is right, GSP is not ready for an Anderson Silva fight but he will be soon. Let gSP take on & wipe the rest of the 170 chumps including BJ Penn will lose, then let GSP take on a couple 185ers before even trying against Silva, with the time it takes we will see a GSP that will be unstoppable!
Lotsa people mention GSP’s loss to Matt Serra…what about Silva’s losses ? Not the best guys beat him, but they did. I think it’s pure arrogance to say GSP should prove himself because he has, but I still say GSP is not quite ready for a fight of that caliber. Silva has that natural ability to KO cats like there is no tomorrow, but GSP is evolving very quick;y in EVER single aspect of his game. I am starting to see Silva being good in only 2 things. I wanna see Silva win on the ground.
Right…. Silva win on the ground, um… oh yeah, subbed Dan Freakin Henderson! And um oh yeah, Travis fattie but good a BJJ Lutter!
Maybe you should watch some fights before posting bro
Lutter is trash. I don’t care how great he is when he’s fresh. When you’re gassed, your technique goes to shit. You can have a black belt but have the effectiveness of a blue belt.
I,ll give U Henderson, but Mr.I Don’t need a trainer, no cardio Lutter ? That didn’t impress me at all…
I’m sorry but if GSP doesn’t start defending his title dominantly then I will consider him a threat to Silva. Don’t get me wrong, I think that he is very talented, but I think that he should prove that he can take on the welterweight division. Jon Fitch and Thiago Alves would be great tests before he could battle the likes of Anderson Silva. I still don’t know if he would stand a chance. If Silva is up to fight the elite light heavyweights, I don’t think that a welterweight will give him any trouble. But GSP could prove me wrong.
**then I will not consider him a threat to Silva**
GSP may not deserve to fight Silva yet, but he has definately had the overall tougher fighters to face in the UFC including Sherk, BJ, Karo, Hughes and Koscheck. He destroyed Frank Trigg at a time when Trigg was rated one of the best in the UFC. His division alone is a lot tougher than the Silvas, so he definately does have to work harder. I think just by beating Fitch, because of all the extremely tough competition he has beaten before, that should be enough for Silva to offer him a possible fight.
no doubt his wrestling would hold up but can’t see him winning against spider, his striking is on another level like someone else said but i would still like to see this happen so the spida can ko him
if they fought st.pierre should have nothing to do with the striking, just wrestle, wrestle, wrestle.. gsp’s stand up is nowhere near the level of the spider. not to mention he is 4 inches shorter
Height has nothing to do with anything. Just ask Kendall Grove, or Timmy Tomatoe Face.
Height’s not everything, but it helps.
Height helps because usually the taller one is the greater reach one has. GSP has a 76″ reach. That’s more reach than MOST LHW and about average for a HW. GSP has the reach of the average 6′3″ guy.
Anderson would dominate! the only thing GSP has got on Anderson is wrestling.. the more interesting fight is BJ vs GSP II
I would like to see Urijah move up and take on BJ. And a fight between BJ and GSP is only a matter of time. Silva has no intention of changing weight class, and there are still plenty of fights for GSP.
Fabor looked small against pulver and pulver looked small against BJ, I think Penn would own Urijah.
There’s nothing to argue here. GSP is great, but not as accomplished as Anderson yet.
GSP is one of the few who can actually prove he’s the best in the world. He can fight BJ penn at welterweight and then move up to 185 and fight silva…
.beat both champs, and if he could do that and win then there would be no doubt he’s the real deal but the thing is can he? hmm…
Let BJ fight K-Flo (I think K-Flo will convincingly beat Huerta, cue people start saying I’m an idiot), let GSP beat Fitch and Alves (jsoph I think you are retarted for saying Alves will destroy GSP) and then start the Penn-GSP II talks.
As a big GSP fan I have no problem with what Soares is saying. I bet even GSP would agree with him.
Let BJ fight K-Flo (IMO K-Flo will convincingly beat Huerta, cue people start yelling at me) and GSP beat Fitch and Alves. jsoph saying that Alves will “destroy” GSP must be a joke.
He does need to prove himself, but what better way to do so than by taking on Silva? Just imagine all the revenue that would create. I think Silva would win, but it’d still be an entertaining fight.
I agree with Ed Soares comments but I thought it was a bit harsh and unncessary to take a shot at GSP. I guess maybe hes giving him a warning since its a big jump in the talent pool and weight class to fight Anderson. I think standup wise, GSP would get demolished esp. since GSP standup isnt known for KO but to set up the ground and pound. Anderson has been taken down and thats where I see the chance in hell that GSP would pull out a submission win..but I think Anderson would never let it get past that point. I think GSP would be a little nervous in this fight and that nervousness would cost him, when anderson starts throwing the laser accurate punches to his noggin. If he thought he was nervous when he first fought Matt…this would be ten times worse. When GSP watch the fight tapes to learn from them….itll probably make his heart jump a little as recalls Anderson DVD worthy KOs.
Whats with everyone jumping weight classes all the time..this is getting a little crazy…
I am a GSP fan and definitely would want him to get more experience before he takes on the spider…it would be painful to watch him get dismantled like all the others that come in silva’s way.
Ed Soares doesnt know what he’s taking about. GSP hasn’t proven himself AS A CHAMPION yet..meaning he hasn’t shown he can handle the pressure of holding the belt. But as far as proving himself as a fighter..hmm lets see the list of WW’s hes beaten in the octagon..Mayhem Miller, Karo, Trigg, Penn, Hughes (twice), Kos.. some of those wins coming as a younger and less experienced GSP.
Not saying he would win for sure, but out of anyone, he deserves a shot a Silva the most at 185. And if anyone tells me that irvin, okami, or cote deserve a shot more than GSP, you obviously dont watch mma close enough. I think Soares see’s gsp as the most legit threat to silva, and doesn’t want that fight to happen.
Ridiculous. I think Soares thinks GSP has a chance, but he’s not the “most legit threat”. The only reason they might try to avoid GSP is that it might be a no-win situation. Beat GSP, so what, GSP is the smaller guy. But lose to GSP, and it will definitely tarnish his legacy.
I’m sure they aren’t trembling in their boots, but why wouldn’t they concider GSP to be the biggest threat to Silva. I’m sure they know Silva can be taken down by much lesser wrestlers than GSP and I’m sure they know GSP has SICK top controll. I know Silva can capitalize on a fighters mistakes, but GSP has shown to make MUCH fewer than any of the previous guy to chanllenge Silva. Sure Silva has the striking advantage, but it is common knowledge that a great striker is MUCH less effective when they are worried about being take-down by a take-down artist. GSP has also shown that he is able to nullify his opponents strengths by sticking to a exellent game plan. I think GSP has the tools to do better than any of the previous guys, which makes him the biggest threat.
I dont know why this always comes up. In the past GSP has talked about moving up in weight but he hasnt talked about it lately. I know people want to see the super fights but these topics just get out of hand. It just turns into a big nut hugging circus. Lets get the GSP/Fitch and Silva/Cote and BJ/Roger/Kenny out of the way first. At least wait for the fights get announced before the tea bagging begins.
I second that.
Exactly, even though the 3 top dogs should win their fights, all the challengers bring something to the table that could spell trouble for the champs.
reality is that hendo is the only person to even win a round against silva and if he can win against his next opponent then I think it should be like this… Bisping is on a tear and when he beats chris “gatekeeper” leben. Bisping should fight hendo and winner gets title shot
I think that “translator” should shut his mouth, hes a frickin translator. GSP doesnt have to prove anything to anybody, the guy is a beast. I was so mad after saturday cause i knew this was gonna happen. Im gonna have to hear about anderson for a few more months nonestop.
mr “translator” is also his manager, so yes, he has the right to decide with anderson as to whom he’s gonna fight
He also manages Machida, Gonzaga and Nog as well as gets production credits when the UFC does the countdowns that contain any of those fighters.
Arlovski/Silva needs to happen! Maybe Cro Cop/Silva, those are real match ups!!!
GSP needs to beat Fitch, Alves and Penn.
Then he can move up to 185 and get destroyed by the Spider.
Anderson is simply too big for St-Pierre.
I see Silva annihilating Cote at UFC 88, then jumping back up to 205 to successfully take on a top light-heavy.
Then he will probably fight Okami and Bisping at 185 before possibly fighting for the 205 lb. strap.
I also think Dana White is trying to put Henderson in line for another crack at Anderson’s 185 lb. title.
I’m a huge GSP fan, but Ed is completely right. GSP needs to defend the belt for awhile and so does BJ by the way. GSP needs to beat Fitch, fight Koscheck, Alves and Diego before leaving the division. It’s one thing to clean your division out and prove yourself to be the true champion at that weight class the way Silva has, then you can go monkeying around in other divisions for shits and giggles.
fight Koscheck? check your facts playa! that fight happened already
I’ve read most posts and by far the majority of you do not feel GSP warrants a fight with Anderson at this point.
My question to all of you is this – who does Anderson fight next at MW??? Who is worthy, warrants a title shot and presents some type of test to the Spider???