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In what could be a light heavyweight title contender eliminator match, undefeated 205-pound standouts Lyoto Machida (13-0) and Thiago Silva (13-0) will tangle at UFC 89: “Bisping vs. Leben” at the National Indoor Arena (NIA) in Birmingham, England, on October 18, according to UFC.com.

Machida has won five straight inside the Octagon, including big time bouts against Tito Ortiz, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou and Kazuhiro Nakamura among others. He’s perhaps one of the most difficult fighters to figure out — “The Dragon” has a technical fight style that appears to frustrate his opponents, as well as a few fans who claim he is “boring.”

Regardless, he’s been knocking on the door of a title shot for some time now. And a win over a bad dude like Silva would certainly improve his chances.

Silva brings the fierce Chute Boxe aggression into his fights (even though he is now no longer with the camp), stopping all but one of his opponents throughout his exciting mixed martial arts career. He has an explosive mix of punches and kicks, which can often leave him open to counter strikes.

However, Silva has proven that he can take punishment and dish out more … just ask Tomasz Drwal, Houston Alexander and Antonio Mendes.

To check out the latest UFC 89 card, which is loaded with some amazing match ups just like this one, click here.

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Comment by Colin D
2008-07-16 16:19:23

Hopefully thiago can end the overhype of machida

Comment by dave
2008-07-16 16:25:11

Machida isn’t overhype silly dilly! He beat Soku and Tito who had just been robbed into a draw with Rashad, a so-called undefeated fighter. He also beat BJ Penn and no one has come close to beating him. Say what you want about how exciting he is, but he’s worth the hype.

Comment by roy
2008-07-16 16:32:31

the bj penn fight was close and they fought at hw and bj is fat at ww and a true ltw.

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Comment by john
2008-07-16 16:57:16

I TOLD U GUYS MONDAY THAT THIS FIGHT WAS BOOKED FOR OCTOBER!!!

Can I get my props?

 
Comment by James S
2008-07-16 18:17:52

Humor me John,

if Thiago beats machida, then goes on to fight and beat Forrest, do you think A. Silva might want to challenge Thiago for the belt to avenge his pal machida. All theoretical, but there is a chance this scenario could play out.

 
Comment by JV
2008-07-16 18:46:59

john, I’ll give you your props. I had read an article that had Thiago as a possible opponent for Wanderlei in October. So good call. Since I know you like Machida, and I think your a fan of Thiago too, who are you picking???

 
Comment by the_mexicutioner
2008-07-16 20:22:36

Kind of not hard to call since they were both 13-0.

 
Comment by TabascoSAUCE
2008-07-17 00:05:34

Whoa..I remember John posting that before anyone else knew…Hey John, your not related to Joe Silva by any chance eh?

 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-07-17 01:40:10

I am kinda surprised that they are still calling this card Bisping vs. Leben. I know it is in England, but seriously! This is a much more exciting fight, with more talent, and more important to a title consideration.

 
Comment by Nick J
2008-07-17 04:25:53

I’ve wanted this fight for ages!!!!

Even better is i’m going to the event live, can’t wait to see Thiago hunt Machida down and pound him out.

 
Comment by john
2008-07-17 06:34:39

Thank YOu boys!

JV: u r right, I am a HUGE fan of both fighters….I have no idea who the hell to pick or root for in this one.

JameS: That scenario is a possability. As I understand it, Silva is bowing out of the LHW title picture because he believes Machida can win that title. If somebody beats Machida, I think it would be a good possability of Silva wanting to avenge his loss. After all, team blackhorse is a very tight knit family!

Good call James…very possible, but ONLY if Machida Looses!

 
Comment by john
2008-07-17 07:42:43

Thank YOu BOys!

JV: I am a HUGE fan of both fighters….I have no idea how this fight will play out…NO IDEA!!! I dont know who to pick or who to root for…

JameS: I think your scenario is the only chance of seeing Silva fight for the LHW title. If anyone beats Machida, Silva will want to avenge that loss for sure because his camp is a very tight knit family. I think your scenario is the only possability of seeing Silva fight for the LHW title!

 
Comment by john
2008-07-17 08:55:35

Much Props to Thiago for accepting the fight with Machida when so many top fighters have rejected it! This kid is a TRUE fighter and he will have 1 hell of a UFC career. He is still what, only 25 or 26 years old right?

THis kid has a very bright future. I dont know if he can beat Machida right now, but he definetly has a great chance of being a UFC champion 1 day!

Props to Tiago!

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-07-17 11:02:30

JOHN. props. now if you can just tell me when wandi is fighting next and who i will deem you as all-knowing!

 
 
Comment by MikeD
2008-07-16 16:45:51

This is gonna be an awesome fight and Thiago’s break-out party. Both of these guys want prove which Brazilian team is better!

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Comment by Jase
2008-07-16 16:55:36

Agreed! This will be an awesome fight! UFC 89 is shaping up to be a very good fight card!

 
 
Comment by Smokes
2008-07-16 16:47:45

Lol I don’t know where you have been Dave but Tito is over rated like no other. Beating Tito does not mean much in the division. It almost means as much as Chuck beating Rashad but then again thats a number one contender match so maybe Machida should have gotten a title shot for beating a well over the hill Ortiz. and Matt Hughes, GSP, Jens Pulver all beat Penn without a big weight advantage.

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Comment by TrueMMA
2008-07-16 18:43:22

Thiago greatest strength is his ground and pound, but he is not going to be able to take Lyoto off his feet. Standing he is not going to be able to hit Machida. So I see this being another step closer to a title shot for the Dragon.

 
Comment by TrueMMa
2008-07-16 20:13:19

Silva’s strong point is his ground and pound. Unfotunatly for him he’s not going to be able to take Machida down. That mans takedown defence is freakin awsome. Standing up Thiago is not going to be able to hit him effectively, if at all. So after this fight I would have to say The Dragon will be one step closer to the light heavy title.

 
Comment by Machine
2008-07-16 20:14:36

1.) Hughes won the 2nd fight only because BJ’s rib was seperated. Up until that injury, BJ was clearly winning that fight. Let’s not forget the complete ownage in their 1st fight either.

2.) GSP is one of my favorite fighters of all time but BJ was givin him a whuppin. If anything, BJ beat himself by not preparing properly for that fight by failing to improve his cardio.

3.) Jens was saved by the bell in their 1st fight. BJ had a fight-ending armbar locked in.

4.) I dislike Tito as much as the next guy and he may not be at the top of the division but he is also no tomatoe can. Sure, the top 5 LHW’s can win a fight against him but nobody has ever walked through the guy.

 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-07-17 01:47:40

1.) He broke his rib during the fight, and I am sure Matt may have had something to do with that, not to mention that he put B.J. is a crucifix hold and made him eat punches like popcorn.

2.) Having shitty cardio is not an excuse to lose a fight. He fights for a living, and has no other job to keep him from training his cardio properly.

3.) It has been a while since I have seen this fight, so I may have to give you the armbar, but I do remember Jens beating him pretty good.

4.) Chuck walked through Tito twice. The first fight is one of the worst beatings I have seen in the UFC.

 
Comment by Da Monkey
2008-07-17 07:28:22

Tito serves as a very good gate keeper. Much Like Leben does at 185, Kurt Pellagrino at 155, or josh Burkman at 170#, non of these guys are ever going to be champs in their respective weight classes but they are great measures to where and if a fighter can step up in competetion. I think the win over Tito was an important confidence booster and show that he ready for the big show.

This is going to be a great fight. Can Machida’s illusiveness out do Silva’s power. On the ground they are both BJJ blackbelts, so nobody is getting submitted. IT will comedown to the standup. Machida has the better resume with Franklin, BJ, and Bonner. Silva’s best is Alexander and Irvin. It will be interesting and hopefully Silva is aggresive enough to keep the fight interesting.

 
Comment by tm2k
2008-07-17 12:27:06

In only one of BJ’s losses was it absolutely clear that he was beat. That was Hughes 2…

Against Pulver, majority decision (I thought BJ won, and that was one of the first MMA fights I ever watched, so the fact that I am a BJ fan now didn’t play into that.)

GSP, split decision. clearly could have gone either way.

Machida , the decision was unanimous, but the fight was still pretty close.

 
 
Comment by rctrue
2008-07-16 21:14:32

It went to decision. Machida outweighed BJ by over 30 pounds and still couldn’t put him away. You must not have seen that fight. BJ Penn is 5 times the fighter that Machida is.

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Comment by Smokes
2008-07-17 08:53:10

I agree, in a rematch Penn would put Machida to sleep

 
 
 
Comment by mikeybear
2008-07-16 16:34:29

BOO! I would rather have a Evans-Silva and then Liddell -Machida fight. Tis is a good fight but Silva-Evans is great like the Bisping and Evans fight was… Liddell wants his belt back and i want to see Liddell-Anderson Silva!

Comment by Holdin_Ropes
2008-07-16 16:46:44

Bisping Vs Evans was in no way great. In fact it was one of the lower rated main events of that entire year. Evans previous fight with Lambert was much more exciting.

But this match is solid, why? Because I honestly don’t know which way it will go. Personally I think this fight will be more highy anticipated than the main event and definately more exciting than Evans – Bisping.

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Comment by Colin D
2008-07-16 16:57:28

funny that you mention bisping evans because I think this fight will be as entertaining as that one…..

 
Comment by Nick J
2008-07-17 04:26:50

Are you kidding me, Thiago is awsome to watch and his aggressive style is perfect to get a good fight out of Machida.

 
Comment by Smokes
2008-07-17 08:56:31

Don’t count it out, if Thiago flys out there and Machida does a step and strike a few times it’ll get Thiago to back up. Thats basicly how he’s confusing everyone. He’s got some good back peddle going and clips you when your coming forward. It makes fighters not want to come forward and for agressive fights like Franklin who don’t care and come forward anyway, when he catches them while they’re coming forward he can put them on the ground. The guy doesn’t have KO power but he likes to hit you when you can’t roll with the punch and it can KO someone like Franklin. I see Lyoto winning this one maybe by TKO in the first otherwise it’ll go to decision.

 
 
 
Comment by kevin
2008-07-16 18:22:36

pat or anyone else who wants to see pictures of my trip, email me kevjack115@yahoo, I’ll send a few pics. going for a nap now, but I’ll hit you later!

 
Comment by Jeff
2008-07-16 19:14:06

Machida is over rated and will lose. But, WTF is up with the ufc screwing the U.S. fans for those in the UK. Look at the cards for ufc 88 vs 89. We have Chuck vs who cares, and they have 3 huge fights and maybe 2 more with Deigo and also Lytle. WTF is going on Dana???

Comment by Powerplex
2008-07-17 00:23:18

Yeah your right! While we watch it all for FREE I’ll remember to think about how ripped off I feel…calm down bro, the whole world doesnt revolve around us…but thanks for your two cents.

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Comment by Nick J
2008-07-17 04:19:06

Well done mate, you put him in his place!!

I’m from the UK and am hyped for this card as the tickets are ordered. But like UKMMA says, they need a good solid card to help promote MMA over here as 85 was such a c*ck up.

The UK is a big market for the UFC to crack and its working. Boxing is massive over here and i’m sure MMA will be too.

I train MMA and am thinking of leaving where i am at the moment to it being too popular and not having enough time with the coaches, all thanks to the UFC marketing machine.

At the end of the day we’re basically a US state anyway so its understandable ; )

 
 
Comment by UKmmaBOY
2008-07-17 02:30:19

Screwing you? Its a FREE card. We need a huge event in the UK to promote UFC and win more fans over. This is it!!!!

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Comment by Ca$z
2008-07-17 07:32:07

What about UFC 84, 87, etc etc

Are you gonna go and watch it live anyway??

Wait until the UFC goes international …there will be only a few PPV’s in America all year if it really takes off.

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Comment by dorobikoy
2008-07-16 20:00:04

Thiago better catch & beat em, I never wanna see a hit & run run run, run hit run run & run, run run run hit & run5x type of fighter become a champ.

Comment by hhero
2008-07-27 23:12:39

i dont get it why you hate his fighting style

is it beacause hes not a dumbass and run into punches like most fighters ? and if you look at machida he isnt that Bulk up so his main defense is evading so tell me how can it be boring seeing a man dodgging most of the attacks of his oppenent ?

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Comment by TKO
2008-07-16 22:57:51

Machida is not overhyped the only guy I think an beat this guy is healthy Rua. Everyone seem to have forgotten about this guy I can’t wait till he comes back and dominates LHW division.

 
Comment by Adam
2008-07-17 08:15:13

Amen. I couldn’t agree more. I hope Thiago beats the crap out of him. Lyoto can cry on Anderson’s chest.

 
 
Comment by Andy
2008-07-16 16:20:10

Best UFC card ever? (with Anderson Vs Okami)

Comment by Colin D
2008-07-16 16:23:08

Anderson is fightin okami on 88 in atlanta i think, but he might not be able to once irvin gets through with him…

Comment by mikeybear
2008-07-16 16:36:49

Anderson Silva is going to end Irvin quick so he can be ready for Atlanta and Okami..

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Comment by ...
2008-07-16 16:23:48

Doubts Colin…
and this fight is epic

 
Comment by Ramon
2008-07-16 16:23:57

oh damn!!! ;-()!!! wat a fight!

 
Comment by Andy
2008-07-16 16:24:58

Ahhh shit. Is Hamil Franklin this card? Or Dan Henderson? Both…?

 
Comment by Mark - Chicago
2008-07-16 16:25:25

AWESOME! This is just the guy to expose Machida. He is explosive and has ground game. No more running around the ring. He will have to engage.

Comment by TrueMMA
2008-07-16 18:49:30

His ground game means nothing if you cant get him down.

 
Comment by BNF's B_tch aka LINX
2008-07-16 19:10:06

I say Machida wins this one still, thiago is aggressive but he is much more conservative than wandy (the only guy I see KO’ing machida). why couldn’t joe silva just make this happen???

 
 
Comment by Jeremy
2008-07-16 16:25:42

I hope this is still going to be free on Spike!

 
Comment by Tony
2008-07-16 16:26:13

Ive got my tickets!!! my first ufc!!! how good is this card?

 
Comment by Jeremy
2008-07-16 16:27:32

I hope this is still going to be on Spike TV!

 
Comment by dave
2008-07-16 16:28:03

It’ll be Machida is my prediction. Silva looks awesome, and will probably deserve a title shot at some point, but he hasn’t looked nearly as impenetrable as Machida. Machida is really strong for his size, and will probably control this one on the ground.

I thought I had heard that Wandy took a fight with T Silva?

 
Comment by jslim
2008-07-16 16:28:37

cant wait for this 1, but as for engaging and not running, isnt machida known as been a counter striker also, not as exciting as liddell, but extremely effective none the less!!

 
Comment by BNF
2008-07-16 16:30:09

I can’t wait 3 months. Great card… It is just too far away.

Comment by JV
2008-07-16 18:42:18

BNF, who would you pick to win this fight? I cant stand Machida, so for me ofcourse its Thiago!!!

Comment by BNF
2008-07-16 18:54:11

I am not the biggest fan of Machida either, but I respect his skills. I think the key will be to get in his face and bully him. First pick to do that would be Wandi, but Thiago is a close 2nd and if he comes with the correct game plan he should be able to TKO Machida. At least that is what I am hopeing for.

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Comment by BNF's B_tch aka LINX
2008-07-16 19:12:32

I also wished it were wandy vs machida, wandy would gain so much from beating him. but I really don’t see thiago beating machida, machida FTW!!

 
Comment by TrueMMa
2008-07-16 20:16:21

Not to sound like a retard but what is FTW?

 
Comment by BNF
2008-07-16 21:43:18

I have asked Linx before too. FTW = For the win…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Tony
2008-07-16 16:30:53

Silva will win this fight man! im sure of it! i bet he is worth a bet as he will be the outsider.

 
Comment by santiago69us
2008-07-16 16:30:58

Nah…thiago is good but he hasnt beat anyone yet. he has just had new comers and low rankers and he had trouble with all of them…houston? melendez?, Irvin? nope i dont think so. Kalib was running. Machida just fights smart is all. he does engage what do you call the near TKO on tito with that knee to the rib cage. Fans like you are xtremely ignorant i swear. any reason to doubt any fighter you dont favor at all..total bias. i hope mahica exposes thiago in that case.

 
Comment by Cristiano from Brazil
2008-07-16 16:33:54

After that, if Machida wins they can’t deny him his title shot (I still think he already deserves it, but what do I know? Maybe the UFC desn’t want so many possible champions that are not from the US). And the main event is turning out to be weaker than most of the other fights. Bisping vs Leben main event, what a joke

Comment by BNF
2008-07-16 16:45:49

I don’t understand your comment. Why would they not want foriegn champions? They are all about expansion. And what better way than having a foreign champion. As far as the main event, I will take 5 great fights over 4 ok fights and a title fight main event, everyday of the week.

 
Comment by rctrue
2008-07-16 21:27:43

Machida hasn’t fought any top contenders for awhile. Ortiz and Sokoudjou were not top 5 contenders. Undefeated or not the guys can barley end fights. Hes had one submission in two years. Hes never KO’d anyone. His last TKO was over 2 years ago (and that was a forfeit). I just dont think he deserves a title shot yet. I still give him all the respect in the world for doing what he does, but I would love to see Wandy knock him out. I hope Thiago gets it done.

 
Comment by Joe Smith
2008-07-16 22:53:32

As well as Machida’s done, I can’t see making him a top contender until he beats a top contender. How does beating Thiago Silva earn anyone a title shot (unless, maybe, if it’s a win via total annihilation)? I say why bother putting him up against Thiago at this point? He deserves to fight someone of the Chuck/Hendo/Rampage/Wand caliber, a victory that will truly warrant a title shot.

I know he’s got the wins over BJ and Franklin, but those were years ago. If you’re going to use that as a reason for a title shot then why don’t we have Jeremy Horn fight Kendall Grove, and if he wins that, he gets shot at Anderson Silva because in 1999 he beat Liddell?

Comment by Joe Smith
2008-07-16 23:00:10

Correction: I could see the UFC giving him a title shot if he beats Silva, I just wouldn’t understand why they would.

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Comment by Yikes
2008-07-16 16:34:02

Machida will drag it out and continue to make everyone look silly.

 
Comment by WickedAwesome
2008-07-16 16:34:48

wow what a way to eliminate a top contender. Thiago better kick some ass. no one should hate machida, just hope one day his fights are More exciting. very dynamic fighter and very smart headed too

 
Comment by NameNotRequired
2008-07-16 16:36:38

This should be a sick fight. Though, I am hoping that Black House or team nogueira can hold three belts but i gotta go with thiago. Thank god that T isn’t fighting wand. I don’t think i can take that.

 
Comment by PJJ
2008-07-16 16:41:19

I guess the fact that they booked this fight (that we have been begging for for some time) means that Chuck or Rashad are gauranteed the next title shot. If Rashad keeps his undefeated record somehow by dry humping a decision then is awarded a title shot, I will barf.

Comment by BNF
2008-07-16 16:55:33

There is no way Chuck will lose a dry humping decision to Rashad. He has the best takedown defense in the game. It will never happen…

Comment by dave
2008-07-16 19:57:05

There isn’t a wrestler that’s managed to keep him down. It’s uncanny. That’s why he got this fight, they know that a small Rashad isn’t going to be able to keep Chuck down, leaving him open to lots and lots of punches.

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Comment by LanceLegweak
2008-07-16 16:41:32

Silva takes it

 
Comment by shamo84
2008-07-16 16:44:45

now, that is a hell of a matchup, kinda sad though cause I like them both..

I think for the first time we will see a different fight from machida, thiago will not allow him to play his classic strategy.

 
Comment by dazzles
2008-07-16 16:47:51

winner of this deserves a title shot more than evans or chuck, chuck needs at least 2 more wins to get a shot i think after 2 mins with rampage then not finishing wandy

 
Comment by sbud
2008-07-16 16:49:30

NOOOOO!!! I don’t want to see either of them lose. :{

 
Comment by Tony
2008-07-16 16:51:57

Really? Mat hughes main event last time was a joke buddy! hughes is rubbish he was only good when ufc was crap! we want to see Bisping! as he is the champion in the middleweight! franklin and silva are scared to fight him.

Comment by rctrue
2008-07-16 22:25:33

you must be stupid to say Matt Hughes is rubbish. you must be new to the sport

 
 
Comment by Andy
2008-07-16 16:52:15

Dazzles- are you delusional? The biggest draw in the sport (by far) should have to have 2 more wins AFTER Rashad? Rashed is an easy win so UFC can do the biggest PPV of all time this year, Forrest Vs. Chuck.

 
Comment by Harrison
2008-07-16 16:53:41

Bisping vs Leben is like the third best fight on this card and the event is called “Bisping-Leben”? Machida vs Silva or Sanchez vs Alves should be the main event!

Comment by BNF
2008-07-16 17:02:18

Who cares what order they fight in. Just be happy there are so many good fights on 1 card.

Comment by Harrison
2008-07-16 20:20:11

This is turning out to be a damn good card!! I’m pumped!! I hope one of the Thiagos wins: Silva, not Alves.

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Comment by Colin D
2008-07-16 16:59:44

Lyoto ‘Kalib Starnes’ Machida

Comment by jdawg
2008-07-16 18:20:13

lol!!! i like at

Comment by TrueMMa
2008-07-16 20:20:31

Only Kalib Starnes runs. And losses. Hmm, Not quite the same. obviously you no nothing of MMA.

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Comment by Andy
2008-07-16 16:59:47

Anyone who has been at a UK event when Bisping is under the main event understands why. In the UK he’s the biggest draw of all.

 
Comment by Jack
2008-07-16 17:00:52

If Forrest is defending his belt on the nye ppv,the winner of Liddell vs Evans must be getting the next title shot.I can’t see Machida or Silva fighting in October, then for the title in December.They would need more time to prepare.I think Dana is planning on Chuck getting another title shot.

 
Comment by Andy
2008-07-16 17:03:57

No shit!

 
Comment by kama kaze
2008-07-16 17:04:03

hellll freeeakkkin gchyeeeeaaa!!
- my favorite style fighter vs. my least favorite style fighter
- aggressive vs. defensive
- ko OR decision ?
- undefeated vs. undefeated
- brazil vs. brazil
can Machida outpoint Thiago and NOT get KTFO?!

not to mention sanchez/alves & leben/bisping SAME NIGHT.
HOLY {[EXPLECITIVE}]!!What is this? the best card on ever!? put it on your Outlook Calendar. yup.

 
Comment by Ground-Game
2008-07-16 18:09:28

Yes! War Thiago!

 
Comment by Cristiano from Brazil
2008-07-16 18:11:02

Hey BNF, it’s a huge conspiracy theory but if you look at it, they put Silva vs Franklin 2 in Cincinnatti, Alves should get his WW title shot, his recent record is actually way better than sanchez who is 2-2 on his last 4 fights. Machida deserves it way more than chuck liddell or anyone else and still it’s not granted if he defeats Silva. On the other hand, Nogueira got his title shot after just one win, so I guess I’m not making sense, but again, huge conspiracy theory, but it’s fun to analyse it like that.

Comment by BNF
2008-07-16 18:49:23

Ok, I am not a big conspiracy guy. Silva/Franklin was a marketing thing, BJ is moving to 170 so Alves/Sanchez have to wait. Chuck is not gaurenteed a title shot and neither is Machida. They both have to win. I don’t know if Machida deserves it way more than Chuck. Chuck was the most dominate LHW champion ever, with like 7 title defenses. And his last fight was one of the best ever. Machida/Tito was not even close. For my money I would rather see Forrest/Chuck rather than Forrest/Machida.

Comment by Harrison
2008-07-16 20:23:00

I agree that Chuck forrest would be a better fight and a more interesting fight… I really think Forrest can beat them both!

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Comment by jsoph
2008-07-16 18:13:46

Two of my favorites going at it, should be an awsome fight i cant wait!

 
Comment by emiliano
2008-07-16 18:16:57

dana white mind:
Chuck beat rashad, thiago beat machida, and machida is out for the tittle contention until later 2009 and chuck can fight against forrest…

Comment by kama kaze
2008-07-16 20:25:02

if thats true, great stall… win win for everybody

 
 
Comment by bryant
2008-07-16 18:20:14

if machida wins i don’t see how you can not give this guy a title shot, but with him fighting now i see how dana’s mind works, chuck gets title shot but what if chuck loses who will fight forrest then with rampage’s arrest his rematch is looking dim right now,

 
Comment by Tricky Nick
2008-07-16 18:40:07

As it stand right now, I would pay for this card. This is gonna be an awesome fight.

 
Comment by UFCAddict
2008-07-16 19:11:38

This is a “no lose” situation for the UFC. Forrest “needs a nickname” Griffin will fight the winner of Chuck “the Iceman” Lidell vs. “Sugar” Rashad Evans. The winner of Lyoto “the Dragon” Machida vs. Thiago “sour-puss face” Silva will most likely face the next LHW contender with the most impressive win, whether it be Wander, Shogun, or Rampage. And the winner of that fight will most likely get the next shot at the title.

I think Chuck will beat Evans and then beat Griffin. I think Machida will beat Thiago and then fight Wander. And although I know the UFC would prefer Wander to fight Chuck for the belt, I think Machida will disappoint them and win it. Chuck and Machida would most likely get a lot of boos since both prefer to counterstrike. So, I guess it isn’t a “no lose” situation for the UFC, afterall.

Comment by b.w.
2008-07-17 11:07:48

how about the new “captain america” for a nickname for forrest.

 
 
Comment by dirtydarkin
2008-07-16 19:12:10

i cant wait for this one. i like both fighters but i think machida will win via decision. either way a great matchup. if machida wins, give him the title shot. if silva wins, give him the winner out of chuck & rashad.

Comment by Harrison
2008-07-16 20:26:23

Forrest is getting the winner of Chuck and Rashad. The winner of this will get someone like Wandy or Rampage (maybe) or even Shogun.

 
 
Comment by alex
2008-07-16 19:14:21

I cant wait to see how this whole lhw division plays out. Now i wonder who wandy is fighting.

 
Comment by Kimura by Fedor
2008-07-16 19:17:39

Sweet matchup!

 
Comment by hamsterwheel
2008-07-16 19:37:55

can’t wait for this. Man i just about jumped out of my chair when i heard of this matchup..THanks mmamania for keeping us posted

 
Comment by Chris
2008-07-16 19:51:15

If Thiago wins this he’ll have almost as large a following as Forrest or Chuck. If there is one way for a somewhat obscure foreign guy without a lot of exposure and marginal english skills to win over the fans, its by beating the hell out of somewhat less obscure foreign guy with marginal english whose managed to piss off alot of fans by being boring but effective.

Comment by kama kaze
2008-07-16 20:14:09

dude, ur absolutely right.. but theres a flip side to that. if the boring effective guy wins, that’ll be disasterous in my OPINION.

 
 
Comment by dorobikoy
2008-07-16 19:53:40

Thiago better catch & beat em, I never wanna see a hit run run run, run hit run run run, run run run hit run run run fighter become a champ.

 
Comment by kama kaze
2008-07-16 20:04:58

If theres any brazilians out there, whos your picks?
Cristiano from Brazil – Machida
BNF – Thiago

who else? for the turf. i gotta admit brazil got the craziest fighters. if you think about it, penn owe a lot to brazil.

 
Comment by Leeward
2008-07-16 20:07:37

Not a bad card considering its free XD WaR MachI MachI!!

 
Comment by RoB
2008-07-16 20:23:24

a few fans claims that Machida is boring? he is boring.. I would say alot of fans think he’s boring including me… but this will be his toughest fight, im thinking that it will be too tough for him.. Thiago Silva 2 round tko! he will take him down mount him and punish him..

 
Comment by Machine
2008-07-16 20:35:29

Anyone who thinks Machida is boring does not have a clear understanding of Martial Arts. It’s only boring to you because you really dont understand what he’s doing.

Remember, UFC is just a promotion but what takes place in the cage is called Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). MMA simply means a variance of martial art styles and Machida and Anderson Silva are the only 2 fighters to implement the essence of martial arts inside the cage. It’s the vary reason why they are so dominant. It’s also what many other fighters are lacking which makes Lyoto and Anderson appear even greater.

The sluggers and wrestlers have fans with no Martial Arts experience fooled into thinking that fighting is not strategic. Yes, you hafta train like an olympic level athelete. Yes, there are times that call for a fighter to swing for the fences. Yes, heart plays a huge factor but it’s more of a mental game than a slug-fest.

It’s equivalent to the differences between a game of checkers and a game of chess. Watching Lyoto fight is like watching a master Chess player in action. Don’t blame him cuz no one ever showed you how to play.

Comment by UKmmaBOY
2008-07-17 02:43:06

Thank you. Great post, my thoughts exactly. If you want to watch a KO try a M Thai or boxing match. MMA is not about KO, its about using ANY martial art and the legal techniques that the rules of the MMA organisation allow to win. Sure its exciting to see a KO or armbar but to watch a fighter pick apart another, frustating his opponent is what this sport needs to be able to show the world that its extremely skillfull and require dedication and and technical knowledge to become the best not just heavy hands.

Comment by Ca$z
2008-07-17 07:57:51

LOLOL

Make this comment a sticky for all the Machida haters!!! Ha

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Comment by Ca$z
2008-07-17 07:58:49

Machines post that is…

 
 
Comment by Josh
2008-07-16 20:48:09

So if Liddell beats Rashard, hes getting the first shot at Forrest
If Rashad upsets Chuck, the winner of Machida vs. T. Silva gets a shot

I’m sure this is what Dana’s thinking

 
Comment by rctrue
2008-07-16 21:29:15

Machida hasn’t fought any top contenders for awhile. Ortiz and Sokoudjou were not top 5 contenders. Undefeated or not the guys can barley end fights. Hes had one submission in two years. Hes never KO’d anyone. His last TKO was over 2 years ago (and that was a forfeit). I just dont think he deserves a title shot yet. I still give him all the respect in the world for doing what he does, but I would love to see Wandy knock him out. I hope Thiago gets it done.

 
Comment by tuffguy01
2008-07-16 21:37:24

i hope thiago murders this dude!

 
Comment by Jimmy
2008-07-16 21:59:30

i hope machinda gets knocked the hell out man i hate watching his fights

 
Comment by sooper822
2008-07-16 22:23:17

I’m not a Machida fan, but I think he will put thiago’s hype machine to rest. I predict Machida by lopsided victory.

 
Comment by RyanHobbs
2008-07-16 22:26:36

Dude that is way cool! If Thiago wins, I will be a huge fan.

 
Comment by Rilly
2008-07-16 22:41:50

This is a stupid match up.

Both Machida and Silva are better fighters than Forrest Griffin and this match up should be kept for when either one of them holds the belt.

Correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t the talk that the winner of Evans vs Lidell will get a title shot??? What a joke!!! It’s got “setup for Lidell” written all over it and it sucks badly!

It would be far more logical to see Evans or Lidell vs Machida or Thiago. Neither Lidell or Evans have looked particularly good in the last year and this would pretty much define wether they are going to be genuine challengers moving forward…
Seriously, do you think that Evans or Lidell(now in his twilight years) would be any chance against either Machida or Thiago???…. Very unlikely.

Once again the UFC is babying the US fighters through ie Evans, Griffin and Lidell (only recently with the Iceman) when clearly they aren’t in the same class as Thiago or Machida. Clearly if you’re not American you have to win twice as many fights to get a shot at the title???

Why face Loyota and Thiago, the two best, against each other outside a title fight when there are so many more reasonable and fair matchups.

Id put Griffin against Thiago or Griffin against Machida as Griffin’s first title defence. Then have the winner of Lidell vs Evans fight-off against either Loyota or Machida according to who doesn’t get the title shot against Griffin.

Then we’d see Thiago Vs Loyota as a title match or alternatively we’d see Evans or Liddell genuinely earn a shot at the title.

In my humble opinion this fight at UFC89 is the unofficial title for the world’s best light Heavy Weight.

Thoughts people? Am i missing something Thorazine?

Comment by jsoph
2008-07-17 04:20:54

agreed, liddel is washed up i think Griffen would beat him any way, Machida and Silva are two fighters that would give Griffen big problems, its all about seting an easy win for Liddel for the money and crowd it will draw.

 
Comment by markg
2008-07-17 07:45:04

i think liddell has earned his shot if he gets past evans. he’s knocked out a who’s who of mixed martial artists and just won one of the best fights i have ever seen at 79. liddel vs machida/thiago would be awesome too. what about a rampage vs wandi match at year end?

 
 
Comment by Rilly
2008-07-16 22:48:00

Why are u holding my comment back?!?!? That took fricking half an hour to construct….

 
Comment by Rilly
2008-07-16 22:48:54

Thanks MMAM, my apologies for jumping the gun :-)

Comment by Andy
2008-07-17 01:00:49

Maybe because title matches are based on how many PPV buys a fighter can get (Chuck/Forrest about 600,000 per fight, Silva/ Machida about 40,000), not who you think is next in line.

Comment by Rilly
2008-07-17 06:21:10

I know, but it’s frustrating as a fan….

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Comment by Shadyone33
2008-07-17 02:09:40

This will be an interesting fight. I definately see Thiago pushing the pace more than Tito did. I don’t think he’ll be as reluctant to be hit. I think he’ll be willing to take a couple of strikes to go for the takedown. I can’t wait to see this fight.

 
Comment by braveheart
2008-07-17 04:03:08

ONE 0 has gotta go!

 
Comment by Jourdan
2008-07-17 05:03:01

This card is shaping up nicely now.

Two really intriguing match-ups in the shape of Bisping-Leben & Silva-Machida. Add to that the prospect of Alves-Sanchez, Davis-Kelly & Lytle-Taylor being included and this could be one impressive card. Add Anderson Silva (my favourite fighter) to the card as well & I would buy my ticket in a heartbeat.

I’m just biding my time before I buy my ticket, because if you want a good view, you have to pay good money and with university on the horizon and the debt that comes with it, I don’t know if I can afford to pay £125 again. It wasn’t a perfect view when I went to UFC 85 so I can only imagine how torrid the cheapest seats are. I’ll see how ticket sales go and how the card shapes up and wait a few more weeks before I commit to going.

Comment by Nick J
2008-07-17 05:47:37

Ebay it up mate.

For 75 and 80 i picked up cheap tickets from ebay.com as opposed to .co.uk with the strong pound and all that it worked out cheaper.

For 85 when chuck pulled out i jumped on ebay again (uk) and picked up the tickets for half price.

The only issue with 89 is its a small venue so might be a little bit harder but just keep monitoring ebay.com and .co.uk “watch” as many sets of tickets as possible, bargins to be had!!!

Comment by Jourdan
2008-07-17 07:23:04

Hey Nick, I had a glance on ebay and just multiples are being sold. I go to UFC events on my own. Plus I’m a bit suspicious of how some can be putting their tickets on ebay despite the fact tickets have only been on sale a matter of weeks and it usually takes the main supplier a while to distribute them. Plus many of the tickets don’t look value for money and just as if the seller is looking for a quick buck.

To be honest, I’d sooner just buy my tickets through the official supplier, in this case Ticket Factory. At least if you go through the right channels, if something goes wrong, no-one can say “oh you should have bought them through . There are still plenty of tickets left and I can’t see it selling out anytime soon even with all the recent fight announcements.

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Comment by Jourdan
2008-07-17 07:31:11

Pity you can’t edit your own responses. I meant to put no one can say “oh you should have bought them elsewhere…play with fire, you get burnt etc”. But yeah sorry Nick, I’m sticking to UFC-approved ticket sellers. After all, UFC don’t want just anybody selling their tickets. They will have made sure they are reliable. Can’t quite say the same for ebay. There’s always that doubt.

 
Comment by Nick J
2008-07-17 08:22:27

Fair enough mate, i see where your coming from and maybe one-day i will get burnt but am just always hunting for a bargin!

Enjoy the card.

 
Comment by UKmmaBOY
2008-07-17 08:48:47

Jourdan, I have had my tickets delivered last Friday so there should be some genuine tickets out there.

 
 
 
 
Comment by joe
2008-07-17 05:28:25

Machita will win

Comment by Rilly
2008-07-17 06:24:28

I think so too. Both are brilliant but Machida has a slightly more level head. That might be enough….

 
 
Comment by phiansouri
2008-07-17 06:34:13

that is gonna be an awsome fight!!!! silva likes to go and rush all the time and machida is the best counter fighter. i see fire works!

 
Comment by PhilQNY
2008-07-17 07:33:45

This should be the main event at 89.

Comment by Ca$z
2008-07-17 08:08:53

Agreed (as a fan in the know) but most people in the UK they are trying to sell the tickets too will only see BISPING in big letters when they look at the poster, internet etc so it is a safer bet to sell the house out.

I dont see many americans/canadians making it over for this card…

Who here (american/canadian) is planning on going?

 
 
Comment by kRiS-tYaHn
2008-07-20 18:59:46

I do not understand how so many people say Thiago Silva will not win, I am a huge FAN of Thiago Silva since his last 4 or 5 fights, hes got a BBJ yet he has not needed to use it for a while, this guy might just hit as hard if not harder than the HW’s. I have no doubt T.Silva will kick Machita’s ass, I have said since the last 8 or 9 months he will be the champ at 205lbs for a while to come. Him being so young and so skilled only means one thing…. hes only going to get better, hes like GSP, in the way of getting better and better after every fight. I predict T.Silva will win by KO from standing, or from G & P, but I could also see Machita backing up and up as T.Silva comes a running with his KO power and the ref will stop it from getting his ass kicked. I would like to see T.Silva fight Anderson Silva in a year or 2 at 205lbs, as well as see Anderson fight Fedor at LHW & HW. In another year or two, hopefully GSP will have masacared the WW division, and then move up to 185lbs & hopefully Anderson will still be in 185lbs as champ.

I will also predict Patrick Cote to upset Anderson silva b/c I’m fuct and crazy. Right hand KO…. if Cote doesnt catch Anderson early and many times, the fight will not last much longer than Irvin & Anderson. The only reason I am saying Cote will win, is b/c hes the next guy in line to try and upset Anderson, lol have fun with that…. but thats what people were saying about Serras lucky win, which it was, but he still won the fight, but proved in Montreal he was lucky and got spanked. I was there and it looked like a grown man beating up a child, I loved it.

 
Comment by hhero
2008-07-27 23:14:40

I hope that if Machida wins you guys will not make some lame excuses like most people did with the fight Tito/Machida

and show him the respect he is due

 
Comment by josh rishton
2008-07-28 13:51:41

Is it me or does anyone sort of see Machida as a modern day Sockaroba?(or however the fuck you spell it)

 
Comment by joe
2008-08-04 13:24:43

this is going to be good fight i have good feeling who ever wins this fight determines who is the future champion

 
Comment by dennis
2008-08-22 13:54:51

Machida is a good runner, so I think he will escape the more dangerous but slower Thiago…I think I’ve seen a little version of this fight in the Florian-Huerta fight

 
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