Props: WrestlingObserver.com
Quoteworthy:
Adalaide Byrd who scored it 48-46, gave 4 and 5 to Jackson and Griffin 1, 2 and 3 with 2 as 10-8
Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46 with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8
Roy Silbert had it 49-46 with only round 4 for Jackson.
The scoring of the light heavyweight championship bout at UFC 86 has come under some fire — mostly everyone besides the judges felt the bout was much closer than the numbers indicated. Not taking anything away from Forrest Griffin — who shocked the world last night with his upset of Quinton “Rampage” Jackson — but it didn’t seem like he won the bout in such convincing fashion. In fact, according to Dave Meltzer, those in press row were split between a close Griffin win and a draw. Regardless, Griffin earned the improbable win … even though he was visibly not so sure himself of the victor when Bruce Buffer was reading the results.
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I thought Rampage won. But it was close I suppose. i wanna see a rematch. I think it’d settle it for sure.
just a side note, unrelated. went on stockton arena website yesterday. Ringside seats (700 dollars) are still available. There are probably only 30 total ringside seats, and anyone can still get them. If you’re going to this event, buy cheap seats, I guarantee elite/CBS will be moving everyone down to make it look like a packed event!
hey John, I’m just glad I didn’t bet the event. Violent Mike dropped me an email thursday saying Rampage was free money. I lost 2000 last week playing poker, and am going to vegas this thursday, so I took this event off. Boy am I glad. You lost 2k, if I had bet it, I would have put no less than 5000 on Rampage, just because of the return. Phew, all I wasted was the 45 on the event!
I am more pissed at the quality of the fighst than I am about the money. For starting an account with $200, I have come such a long way that it makes it hard to complain about the money, since I have been playing with the houses money and will continue to for a long time.
I just thought that most of the fighst sucked last night, and the ones that did not suck, were not as good as they could have been!
THat stpid TUF show hed up the title for so long, I expected a better fight and thats what pisses me off the most….I guess u cant have a good title fight when only 1 guy (forrest) shows up to fight!
Props to Forrest because if he would have fought the way rampage fought, we might be looking at the most disapointing big fight in UFC history…Props to Forrest cause he carried the main event….Rampage didnt even show up!
Best thing that I took from last night was Rampage saying that he will n ever take 9 mnths off again!
I agree, the show sucked, and fighters NEED to fight 4 times a year minimum. I didn’t think the night was all bad, just not as good as some others! Rampage looked flat and flat footed from the begining!
Regardless on if your favorite fighter won or lost last night, u should all be a little pissed after last night. WE waited 9 months to see these guys fight again because of that dumb reality show and the fight didnt live up to 1/2 of what it should have been. Just cause the guy u wanted to win won, that shouldnt make you happy with the way the fight played out last night!
Rampage did not come and fight, it made the fight 1/10th of what it could have been, and I for 1 feel jipped out of what should have been a great fight….I found the main event lackluster!
Thats what pissed me off more than the moneyI lost, thhe judging and the lack oof qulaity on the event….cOMBINED!!
Just because your guy lost doesn’t mean that it was a shitty fight, or that the judging was bad. Did you stop to think that maybe Forests particular style made Rampage look flat footed? Styles make fights, and it could be that Forest just has Pages number, just like Page apparently has Chuck’s number.
Nope, it’s not because our fighters lost[Stevenson was the only intelligent bet I made], the card really stunk. I guess you don’t know that much to think that the card wasn’t stacked!It’s plain to see.
i did not think it was a good card, ok at best i bought the event for forrest vs rampage and what a let down, rampage looked like shit forrest did not do alot he fought smart but not enough to take the belt in my eyes, it was close so not a horrible call but overall i thought the event kinda sucked.
I am a little late so this post may not be seen but I thought the Rampage/Forrest fight was good. Forrest stuck to his game plan and it paid off for him. Rampage looked flat…………? He looked good in the first until he started eating those leg kicks. If anything that is what made him flat footed. Rampage should have utilized his clinch more instead of trying to knock Forrest out.
Forrest has a decisive reach advantage and he utilized it well. Rampage was looking for the knock out punch the whole fight instead of fighting a smart fight. I guess he owes Forrest his purse because their fight went to a decision and Juanito needs to retire. All and all I thought that fight was exciting. It had a lot of action and they weren’t standing around waiting for the other to make a move. Great fight!!!!
TheNegation:
I wasn’t defending the card, just the Rampage/Griffin fight. Actually, I wasn’t saying that was a great fight either. I was making two points, prompted by John’s statement:
1) Maybe Rampage didn’t know how to deal w/Forest’s style, and that made him look flat.
2) Don’t be such a damn baby, your guy lost. It doesn’t mean the fight sucked.
I’m guessing you took the loss pretty personal too. It’s OK, you know Rampage is a great fighter and he will be back.
are you kidding me? did you watch the match, Forrest faught his best fight ever, hello Jackson only had one round that you could say was his
These guys had it a draw (10 point must system) but stats wise it shows that rampage easily won! They had him winning 1st, 3rd & 4th.
Also interesting that stats wise it says that rampage dominated the 4th almost as much as Forrest dominated the 2nd.
I’m not saying Rampage should have won (I had it a draw, but bet on Forrest) but stats are stats not opinion.
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-Rampage.html
its funny how people in this blog whine a lot. rampage didnt agrees with the decision so i dont get why so many people whine.
yes it was close. but damn people. stop whining. there’s no conspiracy. it’s just that it’s that close a fight. and rampage knows he didnt do enough to win.
relax peoples.
Exactly, Rampage said ,”Forest whooped my ass”. He didn’t make any excuses ,because he knew Forrest did more to win. Rampage is a very classy guy and showed the perfect example of good sportsmanship and respect. Some guys need to realize that Forrest is the real deal. He’s not great in any one area,but he is very good at everything and he mixes it together well. Futhermore,whatever he lacks in skill, he more than makes up for with heart and that is the reason he is the new LHW champ, not because Show Gun and Rampage didn’t show up.
Any cream of the crop fighter that fought Forrest at their fullest potential would destroy poor Forrest. Forrest is a great guy and fights with a lot of heart but that can only get you so far. Rampage and Shogun are animals but looked like crap when they fought Forrest. They didn’t come to fight. Because Forrest is such a great guy all the TUF fans LOVE him. Not MMA fans, TUF fans. MMA fans know that he just isn’t that great of a fighter. He took an unaggressive, lack luster Rampage to a crooked decision(two judges gave Griffin the first round…WHAT?). Griffin is going to sell a lot for the UFC. Middle America relates to him. Now that Couture is gone they needed that. Even though Anderson Silva is a million times the figher Griffin is, he doesn’t speak english so American good old boys can’t relate. This is going to be a trilogy fight and it’s going to make the UFC an insane amount of money but it will come off more like WWE than MMA. Sad.
I gave Rampage round 1 and 4 without a doubt. Round 3 was a stalemate I thought but you could argue that Forrest was the more active fighter.
You can arge about who one the fight, but you cannot arge that rounds 1 and 4 were for Rampage, and 2 judges had round 1 for Griffin. That was a very bad judgement, and not a wrong one, one profesional judge just cannot make such an error, that´s deliverate.
You obviously no nothing about fighting. Forrest won round two and maybe round 5 if you were feeling generous. At best a draw or a Rampage win. Wake up.
If you think Rampage won, then your were half asleep I am sure, Forrest won clear as day!
bisnatch – It’s all a matter of perspective. I had rounds 1, 3 and 4 going to Jackson. I had round 2 as 10-8 for Forrest, and I gave him round 5, but just barely. I think the fight was extremely close. The one thing Forrest had going for him in the fifth round was aggression. Rampage would throw some good flurries, but he wouldn’t chase down Forrest once Forrest started backing up. I was disappointed with that fifth round for that reason.
That said, I could also see it going to Forrest, so I wasn’t shocked or anything. I just didn’t see it as lopsided as the judges did, or like you did.
Quote from Rampage at the end of the fight “Forrest whooped my ass”. If that does say it all, what does. Forrest pressed the action and deserved that win bottom line.
You know I try to avoid reading these blogs because there are too many idiots on here. Too many guys acting like they know what they’re talking about but I couldn’t agree more with most of you on here. It was a good fight. It can always be better but then again how much was one guy off setting the other? Maybe they were both right on key but it just looked messy because of their styles? I don’t know. I’m just happy that both Griffin and Jackson kept it “real” I hate saying that but it’s perfect. Jackson and Griffin gave each other respect, credit, and left it open by saying “you just never know in MMA” That’s the way true champs talk. That’s the way it’s suppose to be done and for that I’m happy. PLUS! Both of these guys have put on some really great fights. Let’s give them a little bit of room to have a “solid” fight every now and again. I’m ready for Affliction and Silva now! Let’s do it!
Dan – Absolutely agree. It was a clash of titans. What do any of us expect to happen when two guys are so evenly matched? Forrest executed a great strategy, and he kept the aggression at all times. He out-fought Rampage. Pretty simple. I felt it tipped toward Rampage, but we’re talking by a hair’s breadth at best.
Can’t wait to see how this plays out in the division. Very cool.
Forrest was either knocked down, stunned or running away in all but round two. How does that make a championship performance. Wake up friend.
WTF!!!! MIRGLIOTTTA AND THOSE 3 SHOULD GO! RAMPAGE WAS DOOMED FROM THE BEGINNING!
If you thought Rampage won then you have no idea about MMA, and who was the guy that bet 1200 on Rampage ? LMAO
its not about mma genius its about judging… who gives out that many 10-8 rounds?? only in Dana White’s world does that happen
it’s funny because i do PRACTICE MMA IN EAL LIFE! whet do you do in life?
I DONT THINK THAT IT WAS CLOSE GRIFFIN DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO TAKE THE BELT.
The judges were paid off! Dana wants to promote forrest as the champ just like they did chuck! round1 goes to rampage since he almost ended the fight. 2 goes to forrest. 10-8. 3 was up in the air i thought but gave it to rampage since his striking was more percise.4 goes to rampage for the take down and again almost ended the fight with the slam. 5 ? could have went either way. I’ve never in my life seen 2 10-8 rounds against a champ.forest even said round 3 he gave rampage. He was never even in troulbe.they dont want rampage as the champ in the ufc.watch how long( if any) it will rake for rampage to get a rematch.
Wow you think he almost ended the fight with the lay down
2 judges scored the same round (round 2) 10-8, how is that so hard to believe? (on reading the post again, I think you misunderstood the Hamilton score card, he had round 2 10-8 Griffin, not 2 rounds 10-8 griffin, just add it up, and you will see)
I had it exactly how Hamilton had it…
Jackson 10-9
Griffin 10-8
Griffin 10-9
Jackson 10-9
Griffin 10-9
But most of those 10-9’s were really close, I was expecting a majority decision for Griffin.
That’s the problem, Rampage’s striking wasn’t all that percise. He did tag Forrest a few good ones, but what looked to be a few good flurry,showed to be only glancing blows on the slow motion replays. Bottom line, the judging was off a little, but Forrest clearly won that fight.
The Truth you are dumb as hell, that slam didnt do anything, it was more of a fall than a slam, Jackson never had any power behind it because griffin let go, think before speaking, griffin won, jackson lost, and why? because griffin is a smarter fighter, jackson only looks for a knockout.
I thought forrest won even though i was rooting for Rampage. BUT Check out FightMetric. They had it at a draw with the ten point must and Rampage with their statistical method by a small margin. I don’t think it can get more objective than counting every blow, position and submission in MMA.
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-Rampage.html
OH MY GOD!!!!
[quote]Adalaide Byrd who scored it 48-46, gave 4 and 5 to Jackson [b]and Griffin 1, 2 and 3[/b] with 2 as 10-8[/quote]
Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46 with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8
Roy Silbert had it 49-46 [b]with only round 4[/b] for Jackson.
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HOW – seriously, how can anyone score the first round not for Rampage? Wow, now thats some shitty called fight. Rampage nearly knocked Forrest out, while Forrest only had some jabs. Rampage hold most of the time the octagon center and had Forrest on his back for a minute at the end. Phew…. I need to take a breather …
Yeah I thhink the judges scoring was pathetic and the UFC influence all over it! Dana got what he wanted his godenboy is champ….this is a joke! Rampage won rounds 1, 3, and 4! At best for Forrest, i would give him rounds 2 (10-8) and round 5 making it a draw!
Title shoud have noot changed hands last night. Rampage acted graciously in defeat last night inside the octagon, but after he watched the fight tape, he will be very angry with the decision. Maybe Rampage did noot desreve to win last night, but what I know for sure is that the fight did not go down the way it was scored. In the post fight press conference Rampage and juanit demanded an immediate rematch! Of course they wont get it, and it wil be a real travesty is we wont get to see Rampage vs. forrest 2 for the tite, because we wont, since Forrest will loose his title to Liddell while Rampage has to go through wanderei!
The whole situation just stinks!
John….Give Forrest his props just for once. Hamilton was the only one that called it right, the other two reaked.
I gave props to Forrest in my post under the previous threads but Seeing the way 2 of the 3 judges scored it is pathetic in a highly anticipated title fight in the UFC. It had an eliteXC feeling to it! I expect more out of the UFC!
I agree c-war. Hamilton got it right in my eyes. Good judging on his part.
You’re right. Even though the outcome was correct, 2 of those judges sucked.
thats all I was trying too say!
elites fights seemed fixed due to the reffing and the promoters, not the judging! please dont ever compare the ufc again to elite again john or i will lose alot of respect
TUF got UFC mainstrem… now come the gimmicks
I don’t know. I thought Forrest won and I bet on Rampage!!!
Maybe Rampage has been a little overhyped. Who knows. The division is just so competitive.
No conspiracy John. Rampage didn’t do enough to win. Period! I thought it was a draw, but do understand him not winning. here’s my updated NYE card
Forrest/Rampage
GSP/BJ
Chuck/Wanderelai or chuck/Shogun
Serra/Hughes
Diego/Kos 3 or Diego/Karo
There are a few others. If chuck or Rashad get the next title shot, I’ll be extremely disappointed!!
If u think that the UFC is going to give us all those great fights on 1 card, then u r on crack! The only way that card happens is if Affliction is having a stacked card on the same night and the UFC is llooking to counter it.
Th new years ever card will look like this:
Nog vs. Mir (title)
Rampage vs. Wanderlei
GSP vs. BJ (title)
diego cant possobly ready to fight since he is booked to bang with Tiagoo in October.
Get ready too be dissapointed Kevin because the next light heavyweight title fight will be Liddell vs. Forrest, marketed as TUF teacher vs. TUF student….seriously is there really any doubt about that?
You know the winner of Chuck/Rashad will fight Forrest for the strap.
how is affliction stacked John. We know the outcome of every fight except one, and it’s still 2 weeks away. To me a stacked card doesn’t necessarily have all big names, but fights that can’t be predicted so easily
I said that the only way the UFC will give us such a stacked card filed with big time fights is if Affliction is having a stacked event on the same night and the UFC is trying to counter it
I say it all the time, the best fights are the ones I have trouble predicting. Take for example UFC 87….Florian vs. Huerta is not the main event but it will be a great fight, so good I cant even pretend to try to predict, as will Hearing vs. Brock!
how’s this
Florian and Herring.
Herring has fought top 10 competition all over the world, this is way more dangerous a fight than coleman was (and I had coleman winning it).
how’s this John, Florian dominates, and so does Herring. Herring has fought top 10 competition all over the world. He has too much experience. I think the coleman match up was better for Brock (and had coleman winning), I just feel he isn’t ready for this!
kevin – Why would Florian fight Herring? Are you referring to Brock Lesnar?
well crossfire, read the question I’m answering. thanks for trying…come again
by the way, your blog you got a link to, it sucks!!!!
WAR MMAMANIA!!
wanderlei vs rampage again would be absolutely sick. It would end quickly but be just crazy hands flying.
kevin – My question wasn’t intended as an insult. I missed the john’s comment, saw yours, and at first wondered if there was another Herring I didn’t know about. My bad.
By the way, thanks for the free advertisement. My blog is non-profit, a labor of love, and has some fun stuff on it.
This comment isfor Kevin about Lesnar against Coleman. Your right that Herring is the much more dangerous fighter, but I can’t believe that you thought an old Coleman could beat Lesnar. Lesnar wouldn’t have to worry about subs. that much against Coleman so it would have basically been a wrestling match, meaning Coleman wouldn’t really be that much more ecperinced. Lesnar would have been way to big, fast, and strong for an old Mark the Hammer Coleman.
it was a close fight….boo hoo Rampage has to fight Wanderlei now….I wanted Forrest to win for that very reason!!! You know Wanderlei will take that fight!
Watched the fight – also skeptical about judging
Unrelated – I bought tickets for my husband for Lidell vs Evans – how do i find out if there will be an autograph session etc
you’re husband must be pissed you didn’t get tickets to a better card!
Well if you guys attend the weigh-ins you can get autographs. There’s usually a Q&A and autograph session the day of the weigh-ins (before the weigh-ins I think), though you may have to be a UFC fight club member to attend. You can always try the fighters’ hotel. They also do meet and greets at the hotel for those staying there.
It’s tough to get autographs at the event. Some of the undercard fighters come out in between the main fights and do some photos and such. It can be difficult to get anything other than a high five from the other fighters as they exit as the entrance and exits will surely be mobbed.
john, I know you’re p*ssed but you are better than this. Although I could not see the fights last night, you know full well the UFC can’t influence the judges’ scoring. Look on the bright side, Liddell might have a shot at the belt one more time before Rampage comes hunting for it again.
Chefdaddy…You must have your head in a hole in the ground! Of course they can influence the judges…its called BRIBERY! I am not a conspiracy theorist at all but Don King and Boxing are still very fresh in my mind and Dana comes from Boxing.
2 of the judges gave the first round to Forrest and he almost got knocked out!
I think the fight was close enough that forest could actually have won. But to say he won the first round alone is nuts!
I don’t expect a response from you. After all, you are on here with an opinion and you DIDNT EVEN SEE THE FIGHT!
Kirky – Whether there was any funny business involved, I highly doubt it. I had the 1st round for Jackson, and I cannot see how any of the judges would see it otherwise. Then again, I didn’t see what they saw. And they didn’t see what I saw, since they only saw the fight from their particular vantage (not all angles, like we get with the camera work). So, who knows?
Though, I do find it is very strange that any of the judges would have given that first round to Forrest.
Kirky, of course bribery is possible. But not even close to likely. What I said simply stems from previous conversations on here that you were unaware of. This is a sport that is growing exponentially, so it is under serious scrutiny from everyone (fans to athletic commissions, etc.) The appearance of impropriety would damage the sport significantly and I do NOT in any way believe the UFC would do this. What kills me is every time a judge (fallible, but a TRAINED professional)makes a call, a bunch of idiots/douchebags act like they have more knowledge than the judges.
Are you all mad, stop complaining about it, Forrest won, did anyone open there eye’s watching it,Jackson even knew he lost it, it wasnt his night forrest did awesome, best he’s ever done
First of all as you noted rampage his self said he got his ass whooped,so like it or not forest won the fight second of all how can you so easily write off forest he just beat rampage and shogun ,and now he is the champ, when is this man finally going to get the respect he has earned from all of us ,he always comes to fight no matter what the odds are ,only one time he didn’t and he lost ,as long as he stays at xtreme couture and keeps his head on straight,he will always have a chance with anybody including liddell who i repeat is 1-2 in his last three so just give forest his respect he is the lightheavyweight champ in ufc ,which means he is the number one light heavyweight in the world not rampage ,not liddell,not lyoto machida ,or silva its forrest!
scott – Who are you addressing? I haven’t read anyone on here writing off Forrest. I’ve read quite a debate on this site, but I don’t think anyone is writing off Forrest. Overall, he was more aggressive in at least two key rounds: 2 and 5. I wouldn’t have been surprised with a split decision or a draw. The only baffling judging for me is that any of the judges could give Forrest the first round. But besides the weird judging on that first round, I am proud as heck that Forrest Griffin pulled out the win and is now the proud owner of the light-heavyweight belt. Very, very cool.
some guy was saying that liddell would knock forest out in 1st,can’t even find the comment now,it was john
scott – Ah yeah, I think john was really pissed at Rampage or something like that.
Liddell vs. Griffin, man Liddell better bring his A+ game if that fight happens. Hey, I’m not counting out Rashad Evans till that fight ends. Too many surprises the past 18 months to count anyone out. Jardine beats Liddell by split. Liddell beats Wandi by decision. Wandi creams Jardine before they even got warmed up. For all we know, Rashad knocks out Chuck with a head kick. (I know, sounds impossible, but hey, Matt Serra kicked GSPs ass, and Gonzaga knocked Cro Cops head off. Anything goes.)
There is no UFC influence, here we go with more conspiracy theories… this isn’t Elite XC, the fights aren’t fixed. Your guy lost, get over it! I agree with Silbert, Rampage gets Rd 4, but that’s it. I’m not sure the second was a 10-8 round, but it could have been. Forrest is a legit champ, deal with it!
I’m sorry but I have to agree with John. I went back and re-watched the fight without any of my previous emotion and analyzed it. Here’s my scoring:
1: 10-9 Jackson
2. 10-8 Griffin
3. 10-9 Jackson
4. 10-9 Jackson
5. now IMO this round could’ve gone either way. Yes, Griffin was busier but nothing he did damaged Jackson and to me thats the tipping point. Rather than give the round to Griffin, have it be an unpopular draw, I would give the round to Jackson considering he entered as champion and needs to be clearly dethroned (plus a championship does not change hands on a draw anyways). 10-9 Jackson
48-46 Jackson. period
Anthony – That’s exactly how I saw it. But given how close the fight really was — and left in the hands of three judges — I have no room to complain. Forrest Griffin brought an excellent strategy. Taking out Rampage’s leg was the stroke of genius, and I hope he uses that more. Also hope to see him use more jits.
now thats wat the score cards should of been
Of course you can’t see Forrest winning ,john. You said ShowGun was a guaranteed win and the same for Rampage. For some reason you can’t accept the fact that Forrest is the better, well rounded figther. He’s a tough SOB and he will give problems to anyone in the LHW division. If someone told me Forrest was going to be champ 2 years ago, I would’ve laughed, but he has improved a lot and he deserves to be champ now.
dude i completely agree. Rampage was dominant in the first round and cemented that round with the knockdown. But imo rds 3, 4, and 5 were extremely close and could have went either way. I had it as a draw, but hopefully there will be a rematch.
RT, Forrest was dominating the first round before he got caught. So at best the 1st should have been an even round. 2nd round was a 10-8 round easly. And if there is a rematch, then Page should have to work his way back up like everybody else.
I just want to give a big congrats to Forrest!!! It seems like some people aren’t giving him his props around here. The fact is Rampage looked very bad last night and Forrest capitalized on that. If you look at the fight as a whole Forrest won, no question.
I started to doubt Forrest as the fight got closer. I think because of all the posts on this site. I will never doubt him again. He has turned into a great fighter and now he is the Champ. Unbelievable!!!
dont do even rounds! Page won first round in everybodys eyes. What did forrest do to dominate first round, it was even until page dropped forrest.
nearly does not mean knocked out there lovey! Forrest had that fight and he’s the champ now
I know Rampage rocked Forrest, but that was the only good punch that I remember. The rest of it was pretty good for Forrest if I recall. i didn’t think Forrest was gonna win to be honest. I was routing for him, but after that fight was so close, I figured Rampage would pull it out.
Forrest’s only real chance to win that fight was to outwork Rampage over 5 rounds, and that’s exactly what he did. The fight as a whole was close, but Forrest clearly won more rounds to win on the scorecards. Landing 5 or 6 non-grape-busting punches and a couple kicks for every 1 or 2 solid but not devastating shots from Rampage counts for more on the scorecards.
Say what u will PW, all I know is that the fight did not reflect the judges score. Saying Rampage only won round 4 is a joke and it just shows the favoritism the goldenboy gets. Last I checked, the questionable calls should go the champs way, not the godenboy’s!
It makes me not even want to watch the next pay per view!
luckily I still got Affliction and DREAM! Dana white got exactly what he wanted, he now gets to see Rampage vs. wanderlei 3 (without giving wanderei a title shot) and he will have a bIg moneymaker match up between Liddell vs Forrest which will be marketed as TUF teacher vs. TUF student! What a joke! It just stinks! We waited 9 months to see a Robbery!
‘Page took rounds 1 and 4. Forrest took 2 and 3. 2 being 10-8. 5 was very close.
At worst for Forrest it was a draw. No way did Jackson win that fight. I bet on Rampage and I think Forrest won.
Rampage dropped Forrest and cut him. That’s about all he did. Forrest consistently scored with the leg kick, visibly hurting Jackson. He also scored more frequently with the jab than Jackson. He outpunched him too. Fair enough Jackson hit harder but Forrest made him look sloppy and just plain bad. Forrest also spent nearly an entire round in top position. He was in half guard and though he didn’t do too much damaged he dominated that round as Quinton did nothing on the bottom, absolutley jack and that was bound to stick in the judges’ minds.
In the 3rd round didn’t Forrest score some more leg kicks. His sloppy takedown attempt landed him on the bottom. But he attempted a triangle and an omaplata and I thought he was going to catch Quinton who didn’t mount much offense. He did manage a glancing elbow which cut Forrest who’s skin is made of soggy tissue paper.
Round 4, Quinton bounced back and took it in my eyes.
Round 5 is debateable. I think Forrest was outpointing Rampage on strikes landed and thrown but in the last 30 seconds perhaps Jackson’s haymakers stole the round as Forrest looked content to get on his bike. Tough to call.
If you give it to Forrest he wins 48-46. If you give the final round to ‘Page it’s 47-47.
You got to admit though that no matter how you scored it, Forrest made Rampage look bad.
IMO, I am more pissed at the way that Rampage fought than then I am at Forrest winning. If Rampage fought to his capabilities and lost, I woud not be as mad as I am today.
I give props to Forrest, and I am very pissed at Rampage (1 of my favorite fighters) for jipping us out of a highly anticipated title fight.
Rampage did not come to fight, but if i were a judge, I would have scored it a draw!
I gave rounds 1, 3, 4 to Rampage….. round 2 (10-8) and round 5 to Forrest as well.
I actually thought that Rampage made himself look bad. I wont type it again, if u want to read my thoughts go to the thread about Forrest winning the title and scroll down…I made llike 6 different posts on that thread
Yeah Rampage looked slow and off. He looked like $h!t. Hope he gets together next time out.
For those that want to know what pissed me off, here it is:
I am more pissed at Rampage then I am at the Decision because Forrest haqd no choice other than winning a decision. In 25 minutes Rampage has the ability to finish anyone! AS fans we got jipped out of a highly anticipated title fight because there were about a million things that I did not like out of Rampage’s performance.
1) I did not like Rampages demeanor. From when he walked into the cage, he was flat footed, and laid back and honestly he did not come to fight. I think he highly underestimated Forrest and to me it llooked like he felt he did not need to be active and that he couuld just stand there, flat footed wait for an opening and Crack Forrest with a big shot and win the fight. iT was a very lazy effort by Rampage.
2) WTF was upp with Rampages game plan? Like we all knew, Forrest has no POWER what so ever and he could not hurt Rampage with any of his punches. Only damage he could do were the leg kicks. With that said, why did Rampage just sit in the pocket and wait for a counter punch? i dont get it! When u have all the KO power and you know that your opponent cant hurt you, your game plan should be ATTACK! If rampage would have kept attacking, Forrest would have kept retreating and wouldnt even be able to throw any leg kicks. When u are lucky enough to fight someone that you know cant hurt you, u have to bully him, keep attacking and backing him up, not sit in the pocket and look for a big counterpunch to end the fight. it was very lazy!
3) I am starting to think that Rampage performs much better in a 3 round fight then he does in a 5 round fight. In his fights vs. Hendo and Forrest, I feel that Rampage worried too much about saving energy for the 4th and 5th rounds that he did not open up enough and come to Finish the fight in the early rounds. In a 3 round fight, I feel Rampage will be more comfortable and push the pace looking for the big finish.
4) I think some X-factor worked against Quinton last night! He cleary under estimated Forrest. He showed Forrest No respect what so ever because he didnt fight. He stood completly still, let Forrest attack anytime he wanted, feeling that he could finish the fight whenever he felt like itwith a big counter punch. I dont know if it was under estimating Forrest or that the 9 month lay off hurt him, but as a HUGE Rampage fan, I feel really jipped out of a BIG FIGHT because he did not come to fight. Regardless weather Forrest deserved to win this or not, NO EXCUSES because Rampage did not fight even closely to his best fight and anyone who will argue with that is dillusional. He was not hurt and out of shape like Shogun was, he just didnt fight. AS a champion thats headlining a pay per view in a fight that we waited half a year for, he has to fight his best fight, and that was not close to fighhting up to his capabilities! I am disspointed in the decision because I feel like it was a BS one, but I am more dissapointed in Rampage because as a defending Champion, youo have to bring it and fight to the best of yoour capabilities and he clearly did not do that last nighht!
regardless of the outcome, I am n ot to mad about the decision. After all, Forrest brought his A game, Rampage did not….therefore I cant really defend Rampage regardless if I feel he deserved to wak eyo today with out the title or not! Much props to Forrest for Bringing it! at least 1 guy came to fight!
or maybe a boxer out boxed a slugger, give up the feeble arguments. just like lyoto makes others look bad, maybe forrest did too. the official scores didnt reflect the fight but the real outcome was the same, forrest 3 rounds to 2. get over it
Egads – I had it 1, 3 and 4 for Jackson, though 4 was close. I had 2 easily for Forrest, and 5 for aggression. I was disappointed with Rampage in the fifth round, because he did not swarm his opponent after some good flurries. (You know Wandi would swarm and go in for the kill the moment he saw his opponent in any state of vulnerability.) So, I think it was very, very close. I am baffled by the 1st round judging by the two judges, but then again (like I said already) I didn’t see what they saw at ringside.
Like every fighter says, it is so much better to finish a fight. Don’t leave it in the judges hands. Rampage was not prepared to finish the fight, and Forrest’s strategic and aggressive game got him the win. Major kudos to the new champ. Very well fought.
I’m tired of hearing this bullcrap. Rampage should have KO’d Forrest and he didnt or coulnt so there you go . Quit whining, I’m sick of all the freakin whiners on here! The fact that Rampage let it go to a decision you should be pissed at your boy Page not the judges bro.
Fair point.
ChadX23: Exactly! Thats what pissed me off the most about the fight! I cant blame Forrest, he did what he could do, I dont blame him at al! I actually respect him a lot more because I didnt not know that his chin could hold up, and I didnt know that he could protect his chin so well.
I dont want to misplace my anger about last night. The only things that truley bother me about the event are:
1)It was a boring night of fighht!
2) Rampage jipped us out of a title fight because the champ is oblilgated to BRING IT every single time! He fought to about 1/5 of his capabilies….I dont think he should have llost his title, but because he fought down to his competition, maybe he he did deserve to loose, and hopefully he learned something….He has to fight! Just showing up wont cut it at the top!
Judging also pissed me off! Weather or not Rampage should be champion today, I know that the judges did noot do a good job! that doesnt mean that I think Rampage won, it just means that the scores dont reflect the fight and if the judges are not going to do their JOB, then get someone who willl?
Saying that the only round that Rampage won is round 4 is a joke and we should demand better than that! Even for the ones that are happy with the outcome they should be pissed with the judging because ITS THEIR JOB to score the fight acurately!
Well I agree it’s nonsense that Rampage only won one round. 1 and 4.
THats all I have been trying to say…Not trying to take anything away from Forrest, Even if the decision would have resluted in the same outcome….the judges are obligated to do there job and score it the right way.
I do agree I thought it would have been MUCH closer scored than it was. Can’t believe not 1 judge swung it Pages way
weather or not the decision was correct its not the point! THe judges need to do there jobs and score it the right way….last night it didnt matter, but next time it could award the fight to the wrong guy….so regardless if the decision was right or not, we should demand some competant judging.
I thought the fight was scored very well actually… you are just biased and pissed off taht your guy lost John. The judges did their job, the right guy won and is the new champ! I loved every second of that fight, fight of the year so far and is going to be tough to beat. Why don’t we talk about what a great fight it was and what is next for Rampage instead of whining about the judges. Its over, Rampage did not deserve to win that fight, he got owned. You say its a joke that they only gave him the 4th round? what rounds shoudl he have been given? He din’t win any other round. The first round was close, but Forrest took it. The other three weren’t even close. And stop calling Forrest the golden boy. It makes you seem like you don’t know what you are talking about and I know that you do from reading your other posts. Come on John you are better than this. Rampage is as marketable a champ as anyone, Dana loved having him as champ! Maybe Rampage will fight Wandy or Machida and earn another shot, but until then… Forrest is the man, and he is for real!!
Dude, your obviously more biased than anyone one on here. Fight of the year…don’t make me laugh.
Page looked terrible and any other top LHW other than forrest would have finished him off.
I think Forrest looked sluggish and vulnerable, it will be a horrible fight for forrest if he fights Machida/liddel/wandy or a good Page.
I am getting sick of this crap! I have gave Forrest his props. With that said, all you Forrest Sack-lickers cant sit here and tell me that we got to see the high caliber match up that we expected! Rampage didnt even show up, and because your guy won, you are all satisfied with the outcome?
Difference between me and u guys, is that all u guys want is too be right, I on the other hand want to see A Great fight! If Rampage would have been awarded the decision last night, I would still be pissed off today because it was an uneventful fight. If you guys are happy with that crap last night, thats your problem….I expected more out of a fight a waited 9 months to see….Props to Forrest for winning the championship in a fight I could not see him winning. Win/Loose Ram,page should be ashamed of himself!
Seems like alot of you guys are really trying to rub this fight is John’s face, but I get what he is saying. I can live with the 48-46 score, its just the way that the judges scored the fight. The one judge had 2 10-8 rounds for Forrest! What fight was he watching? The one judge didn’t give Rampage the 1st round! What fight was this judge watching? And I get what he’s talking about with the fight. We wanted both fighters to bring their A game and only Forrest showed up to fight. I don’t think it was anything that Forrest did. Rampage and his camp had to know that Forrerst was going to bring it and have a good game plan. He trains at Extreme Couture for crying out loud! I don’t know why Rampage didn’t bring his A game. Could be the 9 mo. lay off or whatever. I am a Rampage fan and I don’t dislike Forrest but I can’t believe he is the lhw champ. With that being said, he did out work Page and prob. deserved to win that fight. Rampage should really be pissed at himself right now for bringing his about c- game to a championship fight!
Well when you are cocky and end up being WRONG, you have to expect a little face rubbing.
come on people!!!!! get over it forrest won fare
+1
The thing is Rampage said he lost that fight. I’m not even talking about him saying ,”Forrest whooped my ass”. I’m talking about the look on his face and the way his expression didn’t even change when they awarded the fight to Forrest. He could have said anything to be respectfull(however I believe he was sincere), but the eyes don’t lie. He had the look of defeat in his eyes.
And that is that! Great fight Forrest did really well, he used his head, and he got the belt that he worked for, Jackson I feel underestamated forrest, I knew Forrest could do it if he put his head to it, and Jackson knew at the end that Forret won. Go’s to show that you have to work hard to keep your title, because anyone can take it from you if your not in the game you know. GO FORREST!
I had Griffin rounds 2,3 and 5. The 10-8 I can see because Rampage didn’t do anything round 2. Even Rogan and Goldberg said that could be a possibility during the fight. I cant see how good old Adalaide gave the first round to Forrest. From reading the above it seems like Hamilton was the only one that scored the fight fairly, in my opinion.
I had the fight a draw…47/47. You guys calling fix, go have your mom make you pancakes and go visit area 51. There was no fix. In reality, Rampage looked flat, and flat on his feet. Forrest was the aggressor and was always out working Quinton. I had it like this
rd 1: 10-9 rampage
rd. 2: 10-8 Forrest
rd.3 : 10-9 Forrest
rd.4: 10-9 Rampage
rd.:5: 10-9 Rampage
Kevin: I jusged it the same way as u did, except I gave Rampage round 3 and Forrest round 5….Either way it was a draw, and definetly not enough done by the challenger to take away the title from the 1st ever undisputed champion
Rampage did very little in top postion whereas Forrest was actively looking for the subbing. Going for a triangle, omaplata and a kimura. Rampage couldn’t pass Forrest’s guard either. It depends on how you want to score it. A wrestler might give it to Quinton and a BJJ fan might give it to Forrest.
Forrest took the fight to Quinton so I just find it very hard to give it to ‘Page.
Show me the rule that says you have to “take it away” from the champ. That is not a rule its just who wins. Sure it was close and Forrest didn’t win by much but he did win and that is all that matters.
How could anyone say Forrest won the 1st round and how could anyone say that Rampage won the 5th?? He hardly threw a punch that round except for random flurries. Forrest won.
rd1: 10-9 Rampage
rd2: 10-8 Forrest
rd 3: 10-9 Forrest
rd 4: 10-9 Rampage
rd 5: 10-9 Forrest
Agreed. I scored the fight the exact same way.
Forrest was winning the first round by far untile he got knocked down and got back to his feet easily. To me 100 punches and kicks score better than 1. An I guess if it was machida fighting everyone would have thought it should have be 50-45 for machida because he is soo elusive but when forrest does it it doesnt count?
thetuf75 – I scored similarly, but I had round three for Rampage (but barely). I had round five for Forrest for aggression, though I thought Rampage had better striking. Round two was 10-8 for Rampage, and I think 8 is generous.
If everyone on this forum was polled about how we thought the fight went, the ratio would probably be 50/50. Given that ratio, none of us should be surprised that Forrest won the fight.
i think you meant 10-8 for forrest in the 2nd. i agree that would be very generous, but i can see a judge scoring it that way. i had it 48-47 for forrest. anyone who gave the 1rst to forrest or the 5th to rampage is being biased.
b.w. – Thanks, yeah I meant 10-8 Forrest, and 8 being generous for Rampage.
Forrest did not win round 3, there’s no way. Rampage had him buckled at least twice in that round! What did Forrest do? the occasional jab and leg kick that missed? C’mon. give me a break. So then you go to Round 5 with Rampage up 1 on the cards (1,3,4 to 10-8 rd 2 for Forrest) and although Griffin was busier, tell me where/when he ever came close to hurting Rampage! tell me that! show me where Rampage was ever in any trouble. so whatever, give the round to Griffin if you want and have an unpopular draw where the title still stays with Jackson or give Jackson the round since he was never, ever threatened and have it a clear win for him. Plain and simple there’s just no way you can give Forrest any round but the second and fifth. And rather than have a BS draw, Jackson did enough to hang on in the fifth and take that round. Remember, as challenger you have to EARN that belt, you have to TAKE IT AWAY from the champ. Forrest didnt. And as much as I agree with John in being angry at the way Rampage fought, he didn’t lose. And you have to remember that leg was probably 50% after the 2nd. He had no follow through power on it, he couldn’t pursue like he needed to. The one thing I really hated about Rampage’s performance was his lack of ground n’ pound when he had Forrest on his back in both the 1st and 4th rounds. He just laid there. BS
I think there should be an immediate rematch.
they dont give draws in the ufc unless there is a point deduction. like tito/rashad. i would actually think there should be more even rnds score and more draws especially in 3rnders. draws suck, so the ufc would have to come up with an extra rnd to determine the winner. i also dont knnow why that everyone thinks that dana is so happy that forrest won. i think hewould have been just as happy witha rampage win. rampage is/was becoming a big star and really going mainstream. i think forrest is marketable, but not as much as rampage. rampage has the perfect t.v. personality. i still think machida deserves the next title shot, not chuck. but chuck will probably get it. you gotta admit chucks reign at champ lasted longer than rampages though.
mmanutz – That’s not true. Maybe you haven’t seen them give a draw without point deductions, but there’s no evidence to back up your claim. I could easily have seen this as a draw, though round give is probably the deciding round, as Forrest demonstrated more aggression. I was disappointed in Rampages performance, especially in round five.
Sorry, comment was directed at b.w. not mmanutz.
And I totally agree about Machida. I’m one of those (apparently rare) fans who thinks Machida rocks, really dig his style, can’t wait to see his fights.
yea and all his victories as champ came by KO or TKO…I’m betting that Chuck beats Rashad, then fights Forrest for the belt on NYE and reclaims the title. I see Rampage fighitng either Wnderlei or Shogun and the winner of those fights will face Chuck in his first title defense since reclaiming it. I suspect then Chuck will then fight maybe 1 or 2 more times after that (if he wins) and then retire.
or Rashad could somehow beat Chuck and all of the above will be a wash
I don’t know about you guys but I saw the fight the same way the judges did. I just think Griffin was just that much better last night and did more to win the rounds/fights. Rampage didnt really do anything other then back up and throw huge bombs. He didn’t look like himself at all. Griffin constantly pushed the pace and got the better of him more often. Def. needs to be a rematch tho. but congrats to Griffin the new chanmp!
mmanutz – Agreed. Rampage did not look like himself. He looked like a rusty, stiff fighter who’d had a nine month layoff. Why did he not check those kicks in the 2nd round? That’s what baffled me. After that first kick, don’t you think he’d be going, “Okay, he’s gonna try to take out my left leg” then check them? Instead, I think he thought he could land the big bomb that would drop Forrest, and he figured he’d just eat some leg kicks till he could do that. Dumb strategy.
Agreed with Nelson Hamilton, the other two are a little off.
I had 1, 4, and 5 for Jackson with Forrest 10 – 8 in the 2nd. DRAW. Overall a pretty disappointing night.
How can a title fight that (in your eyes) was a draw be a disappointing fight?! Fight of the year so far!! I loved it!!
Agree 100% draw and almost dull.
I had it
10-9 Rampage
10-8 Forrest
10-9 Forrest
10-9 Rampage
10-9 Forrest
Rampage did not do enough to win that last round, Forrest pushed the pace, had octagon control, threw more punches, landed more kicks in that last round.
Yeah. This seems to be the general consensus. Hamilton got it right.
Exactly the way I had it scored, Forrest just out worked and avoided the big bombs enough to win more rounds. For all the pus’s calling for a fix and saying Rampage clearly won get over it, there’s not a chance in hell he did more then Forrest. And by the way I’m a huge fan of BOTH!
I am a huge fan of both as well, I love watching both of these fighters fight, but there is literally no way this fight was a fix. In the very beginning of the UFC broadcast they say the judges base a part of their scores based on OCTAGON CONTROL. Tell me heading into the 5th and deciding round, what did Rampage do that showed Octagon control? Forrest had to push the pace, stand in front of Jackson, who would back away from Forrest for some part in that final round. Rampage did not do enough in that final round to warrant it a draw.
well said! some are trying to compare the ufc with elite and that is a travesty. it makes me wonder if they are true mma fans or just anti-ufc, anti-dana people.
Good Point
Great point. Could not agree more.
thiago silva will knock him out
ageed 100%
forest out worked him…rampage didnt get that LUCKY punch in like he did against liddell…rampage is way over ranked,and he will lose to wanderia also
john will be pissed, but I can’t disagree with this comment!
Lol…Yeah John’s steaming at the moment. I mean I bet a small amount and lost but I’m not too bothered. I was happy enough to see Forrest win because he deserved it.
I am not as mad about the money as u would think….I am still up a ton and I am stilll playing with the houses money.
What I am the most pissed about is that we did not see the best Forrest vs. Rampage fight that we could have possiby seen. Not saying Forrest wouldnt have, or shouldnt have won….I am just saying that after holding up the title for all those months for a damn reality show, we deserved to see these 2 fight to the best of their abilities. Forrest came to fight, so I cant fault him at all…I actually have a new found respect for his chin after last night….But I am steaming at Rampage because he did not BRING IT, and we deserve3d better!
Forget the $, I am a fan first…I would have rather seen a great fight and loose, then see a boring fight and win….last night fell somewhere in the middle for me….Thats what piss3es me off!
Rampage is starting to act like Liddel was before he got his 2 losses and changed his gameplan up. Rampage is just looking for the one punch KO only relying on his punching power. Where are the kicks or takedowns? This is not boxing its MMA. He should have gone for the takedwon on Forrest or tried mixing it up a bit.
i still cant see Griffin defending the title no more then 2 times before he loses it…There are so many other more skilled fighters than him in the LHW class thats its bound to happen. I really hope i get to see Wanderlei Silve Vs Forest Griffin for the title by the end of the year, heck maybe even Anderson Silva pending that he blows trhough the sandman first
this jus proves what ive been sayin the ufc aka dana white wants forrest or chuck as the champ cause thats the 2guys that give him oral pleasure…this was one of the top 5 worst calls in ufc history number 1 bein hamill vs bisping 2 bein rashad vs tito
Do you even know what you are talking about?
How was a Rashad vs. Tito a bad call BTW?
You are way off… watch it again, this time don’t be biased
im so sick of people callin forrest rocky,,lets not forget a..he didnt even beat bonner the 1st fight he got a gift from the judges bcause dana wanted him to win 2nd he beat shogun who at best was 60percent healthy 3rd he didnt beat rampage he got a gift again bcause of dana…all bcause he wants chuck vs forrest in december talk about 2 people who shouldnt b fighting for a title
i guess if u want a title u have to go down on dana
bad comment. No gift, Draw at best way it happened ok too. I though draw, but rampage did nothing
Okay Gary Shaw. Forrest defeated Bonnar. Forrest defeated Shogun who GASSED (I bet that was Dana White’s gift as well eh?) He did defeat Rampage, and if anybody tries to make the case that he did not are simply stupid.
Rampage won Round 1 10-9
Forrest won Round 2 10-8
Forrest won Round 3 10-9
Rampage won Round 4 10-9
Forrest won Round 5 10-9
Rampage did not do enough to win that last round. Forrest worked the OCTAGON CONTROL rule to its fullest. Rampage would back away from Forrest and Forrest would push the pace and instigate on more strikes. Forrest won. I am a fan of both Rampage and Forrest, and I was just watching this fight from a neutral fan standpoint. Forrest won this fight, so all of you Rampage fans need to get over it. All of the people on the websites are saying its a terrible call, are mad because they went on their sites and picked Rampage by death. They had money down on Rampage. You know what… RAMPAGE LOST. So what. It happens to everybody in MMA now and days.
well said again MR.NC-17. some people just cant come to terms that forrest is that good or that rampage is not unbeatable.
I love Rampage and Forrest, but that’s irrelevant. Your point however, is relevant and the truth.
By the way, I was refering to NC-17s comment. Still getting used to this new thread format. Sorry mania.
Dana white has no control over the judges, they work for the commission, not the UFC… your comments make no sense!
blind and stupid sucks for you ^
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Shallow thinking dude. “The dude just whopped my a** man, I got my A** whooped”" Quinton Jackson, July 5th, 2008
Wow!!! I don’t post often I usually just read what you guys have to say, but man. I watched this fight and I thought Forrest edged it out, yes it was close, but like others have said he did more than Rampage to win this fight. I like both fighters because they both seem like cool dudes, and I really didn’t know who to root for, but I thought it was a good fight with Forrest winning a close one. For those who always want to make it out that Dana is fixing fights give me a break, he’s not Gary Shaw!!! Your hatred for Dana is blinding your judgement.
The Beast – Agreed about the championship fight. Forrest did more. It could have gone either way, but Forrest edged out Rampage. It’s pretty simple. I had it closer than the judges, and gave round 3 to Rampage (barely), but Forrest came out with a great strategy and nailed it.
Ultimate fighter 7 was the best as far as it goes to the personality of the coaches. Unlike Hughs and Shitera, Tit OH and shamrock, and lil evil and shocka-bro penn— these got along and made it a funny and interesting event to follow..
Now as the fights go it was not up to par…. bringing back Dollaway sucked….
The idots who vandalize the house will now be held accountable..
the loose authority led to the troubles that they had the last 2 shows having to kick off contestants….
I hope the UFC never becomes staged like wrastlin!!!
P and B
go forest… u can see the forest through the trees
Forrest didn’t beat Rampage, he outpointed rampage. if you look at the 2, rampage did far more damage, everytime rampage connected with a flurry he rocked Forrest, whereas forrest’s little pussy punches didn’t do shit. but, forrest connected with more of his point earning shots to pull off the upset. its just part of the BS 10 point must system.
Congrats to forrest though. he fought a hell of a fight and i’m impressed with his chin. 2 upsets now in a row, so i gotta give the guy the credit he deserves.
It’s not like he didn’t do any damage to Rampage. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rampage’s leg is fractured. Forrest broke a reporter’s leg just messing.
how about The house having 16 women fighters?
and what happened to KIMBO ?
Damn people stop making excuses for every Forrest win… He only won because Dana wanted him to or Shogun wasn’t 100% is the lamest garbage I’ve heard. If Shogun wasn’t fight ready then that’s his fault not Forrest’s. Give me a break!! I like reading you guys comments and Mania does a great job, but of late you guys have turned into a bunch of teenage drama queens with your bitching and moaning.
amen.
I thought the fight was a draw or at best a slight win for Rampage. I’m not big fans of either fighter, but the judging was complete crap, goes up on my list as one of the poorest judges decisions in the UFC, right up there with Bisping-Hamill and Griffin-Guida. Whatever, Dana White got one of his poster-boys as champ, I guess if Chuck beats Rashad and gets a title-shot (which he probably will since he’s practically Dana’s boyfriend), Dana can have his bigger poster-boy as champ. Griffin’s a good fighter, but he in no way deserved the title shot to begin with, only got it since he was more of a draw than Jardine.
Forrest Griffin got lucky with the leg kicks.
That’s not to say he didn’t play it smart – he got a break, and he capitalized on it pretty well – but when was the last time you saw an average leg kick do that much damage? I have a hard time thinking of a single example that didn’t involve someone chopping away for a couple of rounds.
Of course, he threw it accuratelly and it wasn’t an accident, but it’s in the same realm as a BJJ guy getting a KO in the first round of a fight – there’s skill involved, but more luck than skill.
Griffin didn’t “out-work” Jackson – he got in a lucky shot that injured Jackson’s knee, had a 10-8 round that was a little generous (it was a reasonable score, but in a world where a judge gives the 1st round to Griffin, it could just as easily have been a 10-9), and then fought three fairly close rounds in which he was more active *but* still got hurt a couple of times and didn’t show much aggression at all.
Flukes happen – I *like* the guy, I was happy when he beat Rua, but I don’t think he’s going to stay the LHW champion for any length of time. Still, at least this shakes up the division in an interesting way.
How do you get lucky with leg kicks? He tried to throw leg kicks and did, thats not luck, thats smart!
haha I know right? Throwing those leg kicks take luck! Please.. Here is another case of somebody being a Rampage fan trying to make excuses. Forrest Griffin has extremely strong leg kicks, his lower body strength is ridiculous, and him landed leg kicks over and over had a huge impact on that fight, and it was a smart strategy. I love it how you call this a FLUKE.. How was this a fluke? Forrest defeated Rampage fair and square, deal with it. Forrest outpointed, pushed the pace, hurt Rampage, and DEFEATED him. It’s over stop crying about it. One of my favorite fighters in Jorge Gurgel lost via submission, you do not hear my crying about how that Triangle was a fluke. It happens, it is MMA you win or you lose. Rampage had a chance to win that last round but he did not push the pace and he backed off. THAT is why he lost.
I’m in that same boat, I have trained under Gurgel and he lost… no doubt. Oh well, he will come back and fight another day. Rampage will too, he is still one of the best in the world, but Forrest beat him and is the new champ!!
I remember seeing a bunch of leg kicks in the first round… Forrest softened the leg for whole round (round 1) and reaped the benefits in round 2.
I was routing for Rampage but I agree with Nelson Hamilton I think Rampage won round 1 and 4. For Griffin he dominated Rampage in round 2 I gave him a 10 8 in that one and I don’t think Rampage did enough to win rounds 3 and 5. Those rounds were on the table for him but Rampage didn’t press the action enough.
Few things on my mind, don’t usually say much but here goes. I thought Forrest outworked Rampage to take the decision, that is what it came down to. Personally I scored it as a draw. The judges’ cards are a bit ridiculous in that they margin of victory is heavily towards Griffin. In no way did Rampage only win the 4th round.
Now, as we look further into the division we will probably see the winner of Rashad vs. Chuck to face Forrest. For the UFC either guy is a win/win situation in terms of selling tickets. You got option (A) and option (B).
(A) Original TUF winner vs. Season 2 TUF Winner.
(B) Original TUF Coach vs. TUF Student. (As well as Chuck being the most popular MMA fighter in the UFC.)
That being said, other possible match-ups we could see very soon are…
-Lyoto Machida vs. Thiago Silva (I don’t know about you, but they would have to give the winner of that to the winner of Rashad/Chuck vs. Griffin.)
-Thiago Silva/Machida vs. Wanderlei Silva.
-Rampage Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva III. (Personally I would love to see.)
-Rampage Jackson vs. Thiago Silva/Machida.
Those are just some fights that could go down. I feel this division is very interesting in that you could make a case for any fighter to get a shot.
When it comes down to my personal opinion. I feel Lyoto is the man that needs to fight for the title. Being one of the few people that finds Lyoto’s style to be quite entertaining, he is got the tools to be a champion for a long time. However with fans he has become a bore, because everyone wants to see an amazing knockout/submission. Who am I to say I wouldn’t either, but they may have to put two title defenses on one card like they did with UFC 73.
Anyway that is my take on the future of the LHW Divison. Obviously there are going to be some variables in match-ups now that Anderson Silva is fighting at 205.
i dont care if waste of life rashad wins they wont give that bum a title shot even if he beats over-rated chcuk,,they have to either a.give rampage a rematch or b.let machida andthiago silva fight and have that winner face forrest
i hope chuck gets the title and faces thiago so thiago can put that bum in retirement
You know, the simple fact is that a challenger has to take the belt from the champion. In any sort of close contest, the decesion goes in favor of the champion. You have to beat the champ convincingly to get his belt. In either case, congrats to Forrest, he’s come a long way and faught a good fight, with a good game plan, but I have to admit seeing these score cars leaves a really sour taste in my mouth.
the FACT is Forrest doesnt have to KO or submit Rampage to take his belt. Thats a FACT. Deal with it. Rampage should have easily KO’d Forrest and didn’t period. He got outscored by Forrest which I don’t think alot of MMA fans expected. Rampage should have kept charging Forrest and swinging at him but he didnt. He just kinda stood there looking for the One punch KO. Like Liddell used to do all the time.
Correct.
ufc suck they known that forrest dont won that fight .lol
forrest deserved all the respect of the world but last night was another BISPING VS HAMILL = WELCOME TO THE UFC NEW WORLD = danita white
Wrong.
Everyone should have known that if it went to a decision Forrest would take it. He has the personality that not just the fans love but the judges as well. Everyone’s complaining that he didn’t win in convincing fashion. Well, this ain’t BOXING!!! Jackson didn’t push as forward as he normally does and the effectiveness of Forrest’s leg kicks look like it took Jackson out of his game plan in the first round.
Forrest won because he did good, his skill’s were right on he won because he won not personality, because jackson does have a good personality
and by the way the fans were BOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOO TO FORREST LAST NIGHT after the decision was made = dana = gary = THEY SUCKS
Really I watched it and I didnt hear that from the whole croud, That was a great fight the best fight forrest has done, and he’s the champ now get over it you jackson nut hugger!
im a huge fan of forrest griffin, and i have the card 48-48
Page 10-9
Forrest 10-8
10-10
Page 10-9
10-10
but forrest win the 1st round???? WTF???
I have never seen forrest win that round
How did Page win that last round? I do not see how you all see that. But Forrest winning that first round is stupid. Bar none.
You can’t have a 10-10 round.
He dominated the first four minutes of the 1st round before getting clipped by that uppercut. Was able to gain his composure befor the round ended.
Forrest won 4 minutes of the first round that is why they gave it to him not and not to jackson. Although jackson hurt griffin at the end forrest took at least 80% of that round.
Jackson won round 4 legitimately but forrest was the clear victor as he won at least 3 rounds. nough said rampage nut huggers.
That’s right! and funny nut hugger’s lmao
how much did u loose again john, 1200, what chance had forrest again?? sorry, sucks to loose that much cash!!
HAMMIL VS BISBING 2!
I will say this, it was either a draw OR Forrest 48-46. These are the only 2 possibilities.
There is no way in hell that it was 4 rounds to 1. No way. That guy should never be allowed to judge again.
Rampage didn’t win it, so I do think it is only right he should lose. You have to come to fight even if you are the champ. That leg kick changed the fight. hats off to forrest although I am a Rampage fan. I do not think Forrest can defend this belt more than 1 fight if he can even defend it 1 fight.
The 205 belt will likely be the most traded belt in the UFC
That was the best Forrest has ever faught! And Jackson underestamated him big time, Forrest had every round but one round, and he took alot of hard hit’s, Jackson I think was out to knock him out last night, Forrest didnt let it happen, he used his head and heart for this fight and he did a dam good job of it, though I now have respect for Jackson he knew he lost it, and he wasnt an a– about it, before they even called it Jackson knew buy the look on his face he knew he lost, this go’s to show everyone that you can’t underestamate anyone! GO FORREST GOOD JOB! I knew he could do it, he has heart and skill, and he’s the CHAMP now!
lousy judges
iwas there jackson won round at least two rounds if not three, every time forrest got close rampage rocked him, i hope rampage gets a rematch
Did anyone just lose respect for the UFC like I did? Ive seen a lot of Rampage and Griffin’s fights and this just seems to obvious that Rampage threw the fight. Too many superstars in that weight class and Rampage was too dominant. He probably took an extra million just to let Forrest have the belt to finally make it more intresting for all the other big name fighters in his class. BOOOOOO
Ding Ding Ding.. Award for stupidest comment today.
Rampage was injured by the leg kicks, and he was exhausted from the fight. He had a huge 9 month layoff, and that caused Cage Rust. It happens. But you probably would not know that. Go watch Elite XC or Dream, then you come back and tell me if you still think that fight was fixed. Rampage is more marketable than Forrest, and the UFC knows that. If they really wanted someone to throw the fight, it would of been Forrest. Gosh, these posts are stupid today from you so called MMA fans.
ive been saying this all day long. rampage is the bigger star of the2 and much more maketable than forrest. i had one slap-nuts say that the ufc would give fitch the decision over gsp if it was close cuz the ufc is fixed. thats his username btw UFC IS FIXED!. what a crock! wanna hear another. some freak actually last night said that rampage won cuz forrest face looked worse. jesus-h christ!
and this is why the perception of MMA is low in America. Because if you have someone like that stating its fixed, and they have no logical idea of what they are talking about, it lowers the MMA competition as a whole because a non fan will look at this or listen to him say that and they will be turned off.
Hope you’re joking Cnote because that’s just plain silly.
With big fights, I believe you can often see different body language in the eventual loser. When I saw Rampage in his corner before the fight began, he looked stiff and nervous. Not the kind of nervous where you see doubt in the eyes, but the kind of nervous where instead of looking completely focused and tuned into the task at hand, Jackson was making faces into the camera, spending time and energy on “looking” like the badass champion instead of dialing into his gameplan on how to actually beat Griffin’s ass.
I realize this is all retrospect, but my initial thoughts were confirmed by the outcome.
Thoughts?
he was “mad-dogging” wilmer valderama before he got into the cage as well. kinda shows wkere his mind was. that stupid scowl of his is getting old. it looks fake to me and seems kinda wwe. rampage is better than that. if you see most of hi8s interviews he is extremly funny and down to earth. he’s out of the ghetto now, so he should act like it.
I thought the exact same thing. Coming out in round 3 you could see Forrest had wiped that stupid look off his face. I like Rampage a lot but it seems like he’s beginning to believe his own hype. Forrest brought him back down to earth.
You can’t have 10-10 rounds, someone has to win the round and if neither fighter dominated, then well who was the more active fighter in that round? Rampage isn’t calling foul, he knew he could have knocked Forrest out at anytime, but didn’t. Everyone knows Forrest can’t knock ‘Page out so he did what he could- out worked him, GnP’d him and tried to submit him. Rampage was real tentative during round 3 because of his leg. He could hardly do anything so I can’t even understand why people gave round 3 to Page at all. Bottom line Forrest everything he could and Rampage didn’t.
DSmith – You most certainly can have a 10-10 round. It’s just very rare.
“A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both fighters appear to be fighting evenly and neither fighter shows clear dominance in a round.”
MMA Rules
http://www.ringsidebygus.com/mma-rules.html
its possible to have a 10-10 rnd and if one fighter wins 1 rnd and the other wins another, you could possibly see a draw. but the athletic commisions strongly discourage rnds being scored even so it rarely if ever hapens in mma. tito/rashad is the only draw i can remember seeing since the ufc implemented rounds and 10 point scoring systems. its not impossible to have a draw, just very unlikely.
I have never seen a 10-10 round in mma. Certainly not in the UFC or WEC.
RobH86 – Definitely super rare. The rules call it rare.
b.w. – Yeah, it’s not very likely we’ll see a 10-10 round or a non-penalty-related draw in the UFC. Probably see one of the fighters struck by lightening first.
I actually had Rampage winning this fight…though i could see where it was close. this is how i had it.
rampage 10-9
griffin 10-9
rampage 10-9
rampage 10-9
griffin 10-9
while im sure plenty of people are wondering how in the hell i could have rd2 10-9 and not 10-8…heres why. besides the initial leg kicks that buckled rampage, forrest did no further damage. his positioning was great, but he did nothing to even get close to finishing. rampage did basically what he said, which was rest. he was in no danger.
as for rds 3-4…i felt that rampage landed the more powerful damaging shots. forrest got hit with a few that had him buckle for a second a couple of times…nothing that was going to finish the fight, but shots that obviously hurt him more than he was hurting rampage. not to mention, the leg kicks that were so effective in the first 2 rds were nowhere to be seen for the rest of the fight.
ultimately, my problem with the decision is they always say if you want to take the belt, you have to beat the champ decisively. other than rd 2, forrest didnt do that…and even then, it was all ground positioning, and not even close to being finished. if you have mount on someone with no back game and you cant get even close to a TKO or sub…thats not a 10-8 rd.
Larry – I scored it the same as you, except I had round as 10-8.
… I meant round 2.
Anyone that wetched the fight could clearly see that Rampage won rounds 1,3 and 4. At best, I would give Forrest round 2 (10-8) and round 5(?) which would make the fight a draw. To be the champion you have to beat the champion. Forrest did not clearly beat the champion. Rampage clearly won the stand up and had better exchanges all night
Brian – Exactly the way I saw the fight, complete with a question mark for round 5.
Nonetheless, Forrest did an excellent job, great strategy, excellent job of keeping up the pressure. He has improved so much since his TUF days.
UFC was better with no rounds or weight classes.Anyway, Forrest won…..
I am not sure about the scoring of the judges, but I definitely think Forrest did win the fight.
An interesting site to check out the stats of the fight to see round by round information (# of hits, submission attempts, etc)is:
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-Rampage.html
i checked out the site, i’m a little confused as to why they have it a draw though. forrest 113 strikes landed page 73 strikes landed. they also give the edge in grappling to forrest, but score the fight a draw?? i know there is a formula to their picks, but my common sense meter doesn’t agree. cool link though.
quick totals- forrest- 58 head shots, 20 body shots,35 leg
page- 46 head shots, 24 body shots, 3 leg
sooper822 – They also factor in power and accuracy, and Rampage came out on top according to their scoring. That sounds about right. Rampage threw fewer, but they were more accurate and a lot more powerful.
Hope he successfully defends the belt more than once, but he’s got some serious competition gunning for that belt. We may get to see Rampage vs. Wandi III before long.
“he” meaning Forrest… hope he defends the belt more than once. I’m still dazed that he won, in a good way. Things change fast in MMA.
thanks i re-visited the site and see what you mean about their formula.
Everyone around me when crazy when Forrest went for the Triangle Choke. Rampage totally went for that slam. i didn’t know if he was gonna be able to being as it was the 4th round, his leg was somewhat injured. and he looked like he was having some trouble. Forrest could have finished him that way tho.
It was rubbish slam. I was like “Oh crap, he’s going to donkey kong him like he did to Arona.”
I was dissappointed. I was hoping for some more heavy duty slammage. Maybe next time.
Forrest let go of the triangle! If Arona would have let go, we would have never got to see that slam either!
Even though this was a close fight, I still don’t believe that Forrest should have gotten the W. I see rounds 2 and 5 going to him, though every other round going to Jackson and leading to a draw. I don’t know what was up with those judges, but I think they may have hit the minibar prior to the show.
Does anyone else remember hearing the story about how Griffin once had his arm broken during a fight (after refusing to tap) and then used his one good arm to beat his opponent via strikes?
No disrespect to Forrest he fought a great fight. and i really start to like him. I maybe wrong but I had Jackson Winning…I mean keeping the belt! It was 50/50 so The Champs keeps the belt. No? 2nd Round to Forrest, he dominates 10-8 that’s ok with me. But Jackson rocked Forrest 3-4 times (NO REPLAY!! NO REPLAY!) Close fights must go to the CHAMP period.
TUF made UFC…TUF’s Cinderella story gonna be there Undoing.
On my way to the store to get some retarded AFFLICTION shirts.
Hard to argue with the final outcome…
but I take major issue with the DETAILS of the judging…how they scored the rounds to get to the final decision for Forrest. 2 of the 3 judges were clueless…
What a crap fight. NEITHER guy looked good at all. I thought Rampage was going to destroy Griffin. Griffin did enought to win just I think. Chuck and Wandy must have been laughing their heads off and Brandon Vera now he’s LHW must be GAGGING to work his way up the ranks.
Surely the road is SOOOO open for Lyoto Machida to kick the snot out of ALL of them.
This 1 fight has MAYBE turned the LHW division from the most stacked in the UFC to…. er the most NOT!! Then again can it get any worse in the HW division!!!!
Juanito should retire. How does preparing rampage to fight Griffin not include defending leg kicks? It must have made Dana white’s blood boil to see Randy Couture cornering Griffin. I was surprised Dana didn’t say Randy couldn’t corner forrest.
That first round clearly went to Rampage cause of the knock down. I had it a draw.
I personally thought that the whole fight would of had one point separating it or maybe even a draw after Forrest’s second round ownage. Can’t complain though. The fight was awesome… I got my moneys worth!
Ok, what were those judges doing? round 1 can never go to Forrest Griffin when Rampage got a knockdown… round 1,3,4 should have definetly gone to Jackson, the judges clearly got affected by the crowd or something.. but in the end the UFC wanted Griffin to win and because of that he did… next time Rampage should run right into him and overwhelm him with punches
I’m not mad that Forrest won, but 49-46 and a unanimous decision are pushing it.
Split decision Forrest, or draw, or Split Decision Rampage is how I saw it.
Did anyone else notice Randy Couture appear for a second then they immediately changed cameras? haha..
I agree. The 49-46 was one of the worst calls in the history of mma. I loved it how Randy appeared then disappeared. I think the security guards kicked Randy out of the octagon.
NO CONSISTENCY WITH THE JUDGES SCORING. FORREST WAS DEFINATELY THE VICTOR IN THE END, NO QUESTION!!
i agrre that the UFC wanted Forrest to win this fight. There Rocky Balbooooah. Did he hit Rampage because I still haven’t seen a mark on his face even after the fight. This fight left a bad taste in my mouth it reminds me of boxing, the judges were influenced big time. Why didn’t they give Rampage a 10-8 first round and he won rounds 3 & 4. Like forrest said even the punches that hit his gloves hurt, he is just another UFC poster boy like Liddel and Hughes. Bring back champs like Randy Coture!!
i’ll bet rampage needs surgery or at least re-hab for that knee. wich is worse a few bruises and a small cut on your face or a fcked up knee? easy answer.
I didn’t think Rampage beat Henderson in a convinsing fashion earlier either. i should have been split
Going into the fight, I thought if Forrest could survive the first round then the fight could be close and he could lose a decision. In my UFC Fantasy, I predicted Rampage by UD. Forrest came in looking pretty loose. Rampage came in with his badass scowl and howl. I was surprised to see that Rampage touched gloves. Forrest surprised me and was winning the first round until Rampage hurt him with that uppercut. Round 2 clearly went to Forrest after he landed that devastating leg kick followed by controlling Rampage on the ground for the entire round. Round 3 was very close, but I gave the slight advantage to Rampage for landing bigger shots. Round 4 was more of the same until Forrest caught Rampage with that triangle and went for another submission attempt, which I thought was enough to get him the round. Thus, I thought Rampage needed round 5 to either get a draw, or eke out a possible win. And he didn’t do nearly enough. Granted, he was tired and the leg kicks had taken there toll. Therefore, even I felt Forrest won the fight even though it hurt me points wise with my UFC Fantasy, possibly costing me a top 20 spot. And the reason Forrest reacted the way he did was because Buffer screamed, “… AND” the way he normally follows with “still champion”.
You guys are in denial; at least rampage showed a little class… this is the worst thing about this sport – the disrespect and immaturity of a lot of the fans.
Rampage obviously did not look the same so one of three things happened
1. He did not take this fight seriously
2. He threw the fight for the UFC!
Think about it, he hasn’t fought in 9 months? UFC has not hyped him at All, Y?
3. He’s injured and took the $300K to the hospitol like shogun did.
It will come out in a few days that Rampage needs surgery and it will be because of a post fight injury. He obviously wasn’t the same page!
Rampage obviously did not look the same so one of three things happened
1. He did not take this fight seriously
2. He threw the fight for the UFC!
Think about it, he hasn’t fought in 9 months? UFC has not hyped him at All, Y?
3. He’s injured and took the $300K to the hospitol like shogun did.
It will come out in a few days that Rampage needs surgery and it will be because of a post fight injury. He obviously wasn’t the same page!
I hope the kids all went to bed soon so they can stop whining and dream of Shogun and Rampage making out in the “I didn’t lose to Forrest Griffin” heaven.
I’ll just add my fuel to the fire. I just finished watching the fight for the second time, while replaying “key” moments of the rounds for review.
10-9 Jackson: The round had a lot of feeling out. Nice leg kicks by Griffin, but the knockdown scores the points.
10-8 Griffin: I’m not a total fan of giving “standing” 10-8s, but it was.
10-9 Jackson: Jackson slowly got his game going again. This was a hard round to call, but you must look at points scored. Throwing and missing without damage are not points. I think this is key in scoring this fight.
10-9 Jackson: This round for Rampage was almost as damaging as Griffins second round. How a legit judge couldn’t score that round properly is beyond me.
10-9 Griffin: He out hustled and landed some nice shots.
Of course, my finding don’t change anything. Just wanted to say that before some idiot who can’t bring anything to the table tells me so. In fact, I am really happy for Forrest as he will be another entertaining champ, and we get to see Rampage against some fighters he may not have gone against.
A unanimous decision with that type of scoring is ridiculous. I also felt that Rogan and Goldie were a bit lopsided in their commentary. They made Griffin seem like the champ before the bell even rand. Very odd evening.
July 19 up next.
look people. how many times have you guys heard Dana, or anyone else, say “dont let it be up to the judges” because you really NEVER know. but, thats how the fight game works. thats it! everyone wanted to see Rampage win, and he didnt. there’s no suprise to me that everyone is pulling the “paid off” card. Forest had a solid game plan! he deserved it!
i’m not taking anything away from forest cause i thought the fight could have gone either way…but the way the judges scored the bout was blatantly biased in forest’s favor…i bet you if chuck and rampage’s fight went to a decision it would have gone to chuck hands down that crap really pisses my off
why is everyone complaining about a rematch for jackson?chuck never got one!now there is a travesty of justice!
That would be because Chuck got Knocked the F@#! out in the first round. Clean cut ass whoopin. That fight never made it to the crooked judges. You can’t make a KO contriversial. Rampage deserves the rematch because the judges gift wrapped his belt for Forrest before they even stepped in the ring.
IT dosent matter how the judges scored the fight, Forrest WON the fight, he was more aggressive he pressed the fight he landed in the exchanges, and for the ppl who thinks that rampge almost ended the fight, come on guys were you watching the fight or just lisening to the crowd and announcers say that, forrest didnt even look hur, he went down and immediatly defended himself, It was a good fight and forrest defintly won dosent matter how the judges scored the fight.
Georges St. Pierre had to earn his rematch, so does Rampage.
DAMN!!!Everyone on here sees it there own way I guess but when Half the Fans see it as a Robbery and Half don’t then there Has to be A Rematch to settle it Especially When the Champion Loses in a VERY CONTROVERSIAL Fashion otherwise the Legitimacy of the New Champ will never be Solidified unlike When Rampage Knocked Out Chuck in the Very First Round.If there is no Rematch then I will be inclined to Believe they are playing Favorites when it comes to the Ultimate Fighter Golden Boys.In my Opinion it was A Legit Draw but Obviously the Judges were Smokin something from Dana Whites Personal Stash.
DAMN!!!Everyone on here sees it there own way I guess but when Half the Fans see it as a Robbery and Half don’t then there Has to be A Rematch to settle it Especially When the Champion Loses in a VERY CONTROVERSIAL Fashion otherwise the Legitimacy of the New Champ will never be Solidified.If there is no Rematch then I will be inclined to Believe they are playing Favorites when it comes to the Ultimate Fighter Golden Boys.In my Opinion it was A Legit Draw but Obviously the Judges were Smokin something from Dana Whites Personal Stash.
To me it was a Draw and most of the fights that night were not worth it. These fighters like Rampage come over from pride and don’t even show up for title fights. It was sad, it is not the rampage I knew who was hungry and took out the Iceman. Also you need to take the title from a
Champ to get the belt, Griffin props to you but it wasn’t enough. If Griffin won then Dan Henderson beat Rampage as well, that fight was close, why didn’t Henderson win? The UFC is making fans vote for who they want to win and everybody likes Griffin including me, I like his attitude but, don’t give him extra points for that, he needs to earn it. Is Bisbig from England a good fighter? No his record looks great but he fights nobody’s all the time, the UFC’s only guy people like in England is him, so they need to make those English Pounds. I will watch it but disappointed in the UFC lately. I wish we could all see Pride in the US.
NOW IM A MASSIVE UFC FAN BUT RAMPAGE GOT ROBBED ! DANA WHITE SHOULD SORT HIS JUDGES OUT BEFORE UFC BECOMES A FARCE.
I went through a fiew dozens of these posts, and i just wanted to point out on thing. I see too much complaining that rampage didnt bring his a-game, didnt do this, didnt do that, etc, etc. All I can say is he had 9 months to figure out what he was going to do in the fight and if he didnt do what he should have done, well thats noones felt except his own. People know how Griffin fights, they know his style. 9 months people, i mean come on. It was a good fight, he let it go to the judges, and thats the outcome, period.
Do you guys want MMA ending up like boxing???
Ok then, ignore the end results and start paying attention to how judges score rounds. You can always rationalize the end result, but the evil is in the details. Nowadays, this kind of corruption so common in boxing fans just think of it as part of the sport!!
Lets not put up with unreasonable scoring on a round by round bases.