ufc 86 betting odds

Desert Dog back from the depths of the unknown with tips and “Smart Bets” for UFC 86: “Jackson vs Griffin” this Saturday, July 5, at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.

It’s a pay-per-view (PPV) fight card that is loaded with tight, evenly-matched fights.

Of course, coaches from this season of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF), UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Quinton “Rampage” Jackson and number one contender Forrest Griffin, are set to go to war in the main event of the evening. In addition, middleweights Ricardo Almeida and Patrick Cote will hook ‘em up to possibly determine the next man to challenge 185-pound czar, Anderson Silva.

Two competitive lightweight bouts round out the televised main card, as well as a welterweight showdown between Josh Koscheck and Chris Lytle.

It’s clearly solid card in terms of tough match ups — even though this PPV seems to be flying well below the radar. And that’s a good thing for us because often the “sleeper” shows represent the best money-making betting possibilities.

Let’s get to it.

Here are the “Smart Bets” for UFC 86:
(Note: + = Underdog; - = Favorite)

Main card picks:

Quinton “Rampage: Jackson -260 (Bet $100 to win $38)
Ricardo Almeida -130 (Bet $100 to win $77)
Tyson Griffin -350 (Bet $100 to win $29)
Corey Hill (If odds are favorable … see below)
Melvin Guillard (If odds are favorable … see below)

NOTE: MMAmania.com recommends BetUS.com to place wagers (FREE $60 play with sign up). However, Bodog.com is also a good place to bet and compare odds.)


ufc 86 betting

Whatever your bets are for UFC 86 (these are merely for you to use as a guide) make sure you look at the realistic outcomes and use solid bets to cover your bigger risks. You don’t have to bet on them all, just stick to the fighters you know and match ups that give that best probability on a financial windfall.

Now onto a more detailed breakdown of the fights for those bettors who require a little more reassurance.

Main card bouts:

Quinton “Rampage” Jackson (-260) vs Forest Griffin (+200)

Rampage has set himself apart in the last two years, beating Dan Henderson, Chuck Liddell, Marvin “Beastman” Eastman and Matt Lindland — all great fighters. He’s on a roll. Or perhaps he likes his money roll — Jackson has found that the “green” is a hell of a motivator for training. His last fight with Henderson showed his tremendous improvement in conditioning. His striking and gorilla pounding are still as impressive as before, but now with a set of lungs he’s able to last with fast technical fighters on the feet or on the ground.

His weakness, however, is still on his back and to some extent aggressive technical strikers can give him problems. Weakness is a bit of a misnomer though. Jackson is looking very solid these days and this match up works well for him.

Forrest only has two likely ways to pull out a victory in this fight: grind out a decision or catch Quinton in a submission during a scramble. Forrest just doesn’t knock people out, especially block heads like Rampage. He has excellent ground skills, but is self admittedly lacking in the area of takedowns. He will have the gas tank to go full speed with Jackson for five rounds and is perhaps technically better in all areas.

But this is a fight and technique often gets thrown out the window when someone gets punched in the face really hard.

Unfortunately for Forrest, Quinton is likely to be the aggressor for more of the fight and with his solid chin and ability to explode at any time, I think he’ll pull out another decision to defend his title.

Prediction: Quinton Jackson via decision (Bet: 1 unit to win .385) BET NOW!


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Patrick Cote (+100) vs Ricardo Almeida (-130)

Oh yeah, this is a sweet match up. Almeida slid back into action in the UFC with a powerful submission first round submission in his fight with Rob Yundt . It didn’t provide much of a chance to measure his conditioning or see how the whole fight package looked.

Regardless, in the brief time he was standing he looked comfortable with good movement and sharpness on his striking, but what’s one minute going to tell you? What’s not in question is his Brazilian jiu-jitsu skills, — the guy is a killah!

Put simply, Cote will want absolutely nothing to do with Ricky on the ground in any position.

Cote has been a roll as of late winning his last four fights, three of which were technical knockouts. Of course the only person in that group with any ground skills was Kendall Grove. In fact, the last time he faced a solid submission grappler was against Travis Lutter. And the “Serial Killer” made easy work of him. Cote is going to have to get on his bike and stay out of the clinch. He’s got a shot if he can stay upright and test Almeida’s chin otherwise he’s tapping out of this one.

Almeida is one of the most skilled fighters in the division and I believe he will be a true force to reckon with. This fight will be a big wake up call that he’s back and part of the mix. The odds look nice here with the fight set basically as even. There’s a chance that the odds for Ricardo will improve by the day before the fight when commoner money starts flowing in.

Prediction: Almeida via submission (Bet: 1 unit to win 0.769) BET NOW!


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Josh Koscheck (-330) vs Chris Lytle (+220)

This match up has a lot in common with Chris’s fight with Matt Hughes. He’ll be outmatched in terms of strength and wrestling and will likely spend a decent amount of time on his back. Lytle has excellent ground skills, but basically used them to neutralize Hughes’ sub attempts. In the end Hughes was simply able to lay and pray for three rounds.

The big difference in this fight is that when things go to the ground with Kos on top he’ll be looking to lay leather on Lytle … not submissions. This is good for both fighters because Kos will have his best chance at ending the fight, but in doing so he will have to give up some control providing openings for Chris to work submissions.

Every round starts standing and Kos seems to have something to prove to himself in the standup game. He’s got some great power shots but they’re still pretty predictable and I think Lytle will have an overall advantage in striking. This fight really depends on Kos using a solid game plan and maintaining a tight defense while laying the leather on Lytle.

The odds should be a lot tighter here. In the end I think Koscheck wins, but there’s no way he should be a big favorite. It’s tempting to drop a small bet on Lytle just because of the odds, but I’m not liking the looks of it. I’ll stay away from this one, but that doesn’t mean you have to. The value is there for a bet on Lytle.

Prediction: Koscheck via technical knockout BET NOW!


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Joe Stevenson (-220) vs Gleison Tibau (+175)

This appears to be a tough match up for Gleison — it is a very similar match up to his fight with Tyson Griffin. And in that fight he found it exceedingly difficult to control the better wrestler after a takedown. I will say that Stevenson’s striking has improved markedly and it’s good enough to keep Gleison from controlling each round. I doubt Joe will be able to sink his favorite guillotine on the very skilled Tibau, he will control him both standing and on the ground. Don’t look for either guy being able to finish — it’s got all the makings for a three-round battle for position. Oh well.

Prediction: Stevenson via decision


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Tyson Griffin (-350) vs Marcus Aurelio (+250)

Aurelio looked fantastic in his last fight. Of course it was against a very inexperienced Ryan Roberts who took the fight on super short notice. Aurelio has a great pedigree, but he’s going in against one of the top lightweights in the world and realistically all of his skills are trumped or stifled by Griffin’s abilities, conditioning and strength. No need for depth here because Tyson can only beat himself in this fight.

Prediction: Griffin via technical knockout (he’ll finally get what he’s been looking for — Bet 1 units to win 0.285) BET NOW!


ufc 86 betting

Jorge Gurgel (+105) vs Cole Miller (-135)

This is an interesting fight and a hard one to call.

Gurgel has made a great name for himself as an instructor and trainer, but he’s really struggled to find his own in the UFC. With a UFC record of 3-2 and all of his fights going to decision fans seem to be losing some patience with him. His standup is respectable but it’s not putting anyone away. He has yet to really focus on his ground game in any of his fights — so let’s hope he puts all those great ground sills to use in this one; because he’s never going to touch Cole Miller’s chin standing up.

Miller’s striking and reach advantage should be just enough to carry him through this fight. His ground skills may not be as acclaimed as Gurgel’s but they are very well applied. His last fight showed a weakness in dealing with a powerful ground and pound game, but he won’t to worry about that on this night. I see the American Top Team trained Miller being able to maintain control in every aspect of this fight.

It’s unfortunate for Gurgel, but I think he’s headed for another decision and it’s one he’ll likely lose.

Prediction: Miller via decision BET NOW!


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Corey Hill (NA) vs Justin Buchholz (NA)

Corey Hill — the oddly tall (6’4”) lightweight contestant from season five of TUF — made his UFC debut six months ago against Joe Veres, winning via technical knockout in the second round. The Miletich-trained fighter will look to make it two in a row against the Alaskan Buchholz. Corey’s training with the Miletich camp should continue to round out his skill set and of course he’ll always have one thing that can’t be taught: size and reach.

The reach advantage won’t be too pronounced in this with Justin being a tall lightweight as well at 6’. Corey’s striking looked to be very improved in his debut as well as some nice take down defense.

Buchholz who started with the Alaska Fight Championships and Icon Sports has held the lightweight title in both of these smaller shows. Making his Octagon debut at UFC Fight Night 12 he ran into a determined Matt Wiman and was choked early in the first round. Buchholz has shown that his strength is striking and typically his reach advantage –- not this time around, though. Justin will still hold an advantage in striking experience and likely on the ground as well, but honestly where Hill’s ground game stands is still unknown.

Joe Silva has put together a solid challenge for both of these fighters to determine who belongs in the UFC. Because Buchholz lost his debut he’ll likely come in as a moderately dog. As long as Corey’s odds are -175 or better I think he’s worth a half size bet, otherwise stay away.

Prediction: Hill via technical knockout (Bet: 0.5 units if odds are -175 or better) BET NOW!


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Melvin Guillard (NA) vs Dennis Siver (NA)

The Russian born Dennis Siver is riding the line with a UFC record of 1-2. He’s a compact fighter who reminds me a bit of Sean Sherk. He’s a demon in the clinch and has built a solid submission game around his grappling skills. His striking has very good power but poor technique, the majority of his strikes are wide hooks and overhand baseball pitches. That type of striking can easily be picked apart by a very fast fighter like Guillard.

Siver’s best bet in this fight is to clinch, throw and work.

Guillard has been a bit of an enigma in the UFC; his conditioning, power, and speed are absolutely amazing. Unfortunately, so is his propensity to make mistakes in fights. Melvin’s been in the fight game for six years now and quickly piled up 30 pro MMA fights; now he finally seems to be more realistic about where he fits into the MMA scene. He’s recently said he wants to be a champion, but knows that he’s not in the same league as BJ Penn and would likely have to look to the WEC for a realistic shot at a title.

In this fight he has the wrestling skill to stuff Siver’s takedowns and pick him apart with speed and footwork. If Melvin gets put on his back he’s got to keep it together, Siver is not as skilled as Stevenson or Clementi and if he believes he can stay out of trouble on the ground and get things back up he’ll work Siver over within two rounds.

Prediction: Guillard via technical knockout (Bet: 0.5 units if odds are -200 or better) BET NOW!


ufc 86 betting

Gabriel Gonzaga (NA) vs. Justin McCully (NA)

I vote this fight “least likely undercard to be televised.” This one has all the makings of an absolute snooze fest. McCully — a long time training partner of Tito Ortiz — was in one of the most mind numbing lay and pray fights EVER during his UFC debut more than a year ago. McCully has had more of a chance to train for this fight but I’m not holding my breath. His one skill appears to be prolonged takedowns followed by even more prolonged blanketing.

Gonzaga raged into the upper ranks of the heavyweights with his crazy upset over Mirko Cro Cop only to show his sluggish side in back-to-back technical knockout losses to Randy Couture and Fabricio Werdum. Gonzaga has a huge edge in this fight in terms of skill, ability to finish, and most likely conditioning. My only hope is that Napao doesn’t take him down and then trade dry humping moves for three rounds.

On the upside Gonzaga knows he needs an impressive win to turn things around. The level of competition that Justin offers won’t be impressive but who knows maybe a flying armbar by a heavyweight would turn some heads!

Gabriel should win this fight nearly 90 percent of the time and it’s very likely the odds will come out showing that. I really doubt that there will be any money to be made on this fight unless you plug it into a parlay bet with a few other solid favorites.

Prediction: Gonzaga via submission BET NOW!


ufc 86 betting

That about does it for this installment of betting tips and advice. Remember to bet smart.

Betting is not for everyone. But if you want to take a stab at it head over to BetUs.com (Sign up today and get a FREE $75 play) or to compare competitive MMA lines visit Bodog.com.

Enjoy the fights and good luck. Feel free to leave predictions and other thoughts in the comments section below. There have been a glut of readers sharing their thoughts and betting advice leading up to this particular main event — perhaps more so than any other in recent memory.

Put your money where your mouth is … and you might just be laughing all the way to the bank.


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Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-07-01 09:29:31

LMAO “trade dry humping techniques” hahaha

Comment by kevin
2008-07-01 10:45:09

Chuck’s thoughts on Silva at 205
“Anderson Silva is a tough fighter. If anyone can move up and do it I think he could do it. It’s another 20 lbs to him, so it’s a big jump. I think there are a lot of good fights for him at 205…Sure, it could be a good fight but I think I’m too big for him. He’s a tough fighter and I have all the respect in the world for him but I think I’d be too much for him.”

this a quote from a guy that went from fighting shogun to fighting rashad evans. match ups I’d like to see, none include chuck getting destroyed by rampage again.
chuck/shogun
chuck/machida
chuck/wanderlai 2 and 3
chuck/jardine

 
 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 09:50:59

I really like your picks this time. But, Rampage by decision???? I do not see Forrest being able to stay awake for 25 minute in the octagon with Rampage.

Rampage and Almeida are are my two favorite stand alone bets on this card. I got a few parlays as well. Page/Almeida/Stevenson and my long shot lotto ticket Page/Maximus/Lytle (paying 14-1)

I actually got an 7 man parlay between the next 3 UFC events, Affliction, and Dream 5. I got all heavy favorites and paying out at 4-1. For those interested, I gots:

Rampage
GSp
Anderson Silva
Brandon Vera
Fedor
Josh Barnett
Shinya Aoki

Of course, nothing in MMA is guaranteed, but it is very hard for me to even imagine any of these guys losing their fights. For those that don’t know what a parlay is, I need all 7 fighters to win in order to win. If 6 of the 7 win, I lose my entire bet.

Comment by Mark
2008-07-01 10:23:57

Where did you find MMA parlays?
I haven’t been able to find a site.

Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 11:03:26

On BetUs. If you sign up, make sure you click the link here on Mania, so Mania makes out!

We got to support our favorite website!!!!

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Comment by kevin
2008-07-01 11:22:31

I just went on stockton arena web site. 700 ringside seats are still available 1 week after seats went on sale. Thats pathetic! I am still contimplating going, but my cousin in law said the last “cage fighting event” that took place there was so violent in the stands. Give these morons TV cameras…I may stay home. Unless I’m offered ring side free!

 
Comment by john
2008-07-01 14:22:19

I dont ever bash on any of the writers on this post, but I hate this dudes picks! All he ever does is pick all the favorites on the main card! Big Skill to that!

Rampage by decision? r u on crack?
Koschek will be the one getting Knocked out, you got it all backwards!

VM: I ike your parlay, and I willl actuaully consider doing something similar, but take Shinya Aoki off that list.

You know, that he is one of my favorite fighters and I have predicted him to go to the finals of the grand prix, but Uno is a tricky Veteran. Those japanese dudes are hard to submit. No way in the world that Caol gets caught in some flambouyant gogo from the mount.

Take Aoki off that Monster parlay and replace him with either Rogerio Nogueira, because there is no way Edwin Dewees will beat Lil Nog, or you can replace him with Babalu if you like, because everyone knows he will pop that pimple come July 19th.

Even better, replace Aoki withh Eddie Avarez, who I promise you will not loose to Kawajiri (who I happen to be a big fan of as well)

Thinkk about it buddy!

Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 14:56:12

Oh, I already got money on Eddie at +115.

I have another parlay that has all the above UFC fighters, minus all the Dream and Affliction, and added Gabe Gonzaga and Tyson Griffin. That was actually my original one. Then I realized that by adding Fedor and Barnett, I would have doubled the payout!

In a 7 man parlay, its dangerous to have a +anything on there… I am VERY confident in Almeida winnning, but I didnt’ even include him in my “royal rumble” of a parlay.

By the way, for Affliction, I kinda like Paul Buentello in the upset special over Emeliananko

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Comment by john
2008-07-01 15:03:09

VM: u want to win money, bet Babalu and Lil Nog…dont know what the odds are, but it doesnt really matter cause they will not loose!

 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 16:05:32

Oh, there is soooo much money to be made on that Affliction event. I just wish I had a bigger bank roll to dabble around with!!!!

 
Comment by john
2008-07-01 16:06:29

Royal Ruble of parlay…Good stuff!

I will have to cook 1 up as well.

 
 
 
 
Comment by PhilQNY
2008-07-01 09:54:05

Side note : MMA will soon be regulated in Tenessee..So Memphis and Nashville will soon host a UFC event. Page’s home town might be getting a treat soon.

Comment by john
2008-07-01 15:04:01

PhilQNy: Could U imagine if Rampage defends h is title against Wanderlei in Memphis? WHOoooooooooo! Chillls up my spine, just at the thought!

 
 
Comment by Mark
2008-07-01 09:55:27

Great picks Desert dog, I agree with most of your predictions :)

If betting on MMA was’t hard enought BetUS sure will make it even harder for you :( Before you get excited and dump money in your account, ask them what their cash out fees are? $50 for every cash out hahahahahaha what a joke.
Ohh and if you see the ad that says deposit $100 recieve $50 free DONT DO IT. Biggest joke i’ve seen. You will have to a 6 time rollover before your able to cash out. what is this? You have to take your deposit $100 and the $50 they give you multiple that by 6 and thats what you have to bet before you can cash out. 150*6= $900. So before you cash out you have to wager at least $900 on a $100 investment before you cash out. Ohh and the best part… ALL those bets have to be on MAJOR EVENTS. The UFC isn’t considered a major event HAHAHAHA.

The $75 free is on a deposit of $200. I didn’t even care to ask about rollover, or other restrictions. Gambling is fun but please call and ask about fees and rollovers. As for me I will never be gambling with BetUS.

Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 11:09:04

I never heard of the $50 cash out fee… Nor the major events thing - the “rollover” is by your player points. You get a player point for every dollar wagered. However, you only get half the amount on baseball. I have been getting full amount on MMA. I initially deposited $100. I have over 2,500 player points meaning that I have wagered over $2.5K For example, I bet on the number 1 seeds in round 1 of the NCAA tournament. I was risking like $100 to win $8. That counts as $100 wagered, hence 100 player points.

I have yet to withdraw from my account, but I know that JOHN has, John, can you inform us. But honestly, I deposited that $100 for entertainment for the most part. If I’m ever up over $1000, then I’d look to withdraw, but gambling $100 on MMA is more fun than you may think! I wish I signed way before I actually did…

I do know that its a pain in the butt to withdraw from BoDog.

I used to play Poker on PokerStars all the time and withdrawals were simple…

Comment by kevin
2008-07-01 11:17:16

mark is right mike, I emailed you about this a couple months ago. Thats why I said no to the bonus money, that way my money is accessible to me at any time. You probably could withdraw because you be baseball, but baseball wagers only count 1/2 towards you’re rollover since it’s easy to win!

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Comment by john
2008-07-01 14:24:40

VM: I told you that I use that account as a savings account! In a little over 2 years, I HAVE NEVER withdrew any $ from that account, thats why I am now able to bet the way I do!

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Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 14:57:54

Yeah John. Like I said too, I don’t withdraw either.

 
Comment by john
2008-07-01 15:07:45

smart Man, not that I never needed the money, its just I was always picking fights correct, but had to bet mostly underdogs, because I wouldnt have the $ in the account to cover my bet if a big favorite lost…so I never took a penny out of it, and this year I am starting to enjoy the fruits of my labor, by being able to bet big $ on Big Favorites and cashing in on it, like Penn over Sherk, GSP over Hughes, fights I never had the money to bet on 2 years ago!

I got used to winning, not taking $ out, and I started to treat myself like that money wasnt even an option, and now I finally get to gamble big on Favorites!

 
 
 
Comment by kevin
2008-07-01 11:14:54

hey mark, thats why you don’t take any sportsbook bonus. The rollover is too much. I said no thanks, instead they gave me 100% casino bonus (roll over 20x) it had no affect on my sportsbook money. I bet like 11k in 15 minutes and came up 250.

EVERYONE, DON’T TAKE SPORTSBOOK BONUS UNLESS YOU’RE A SMALLER GAMBLER OR HAVE THE PATIENCE TO BET THE AMOUNT YOU DEPOSIT 20X!!!

 
 
Comment by Mark
2008-07-01 09:58:38

Violent mike
what site are you gambling on parlays? I have been looking everywhere.

Please help :)

 
Comment by Kory
2008-07-01 09:59:29

I like:
Rampage
Almeida
Stevenson
Hill

and maybe a little on Dennis Siver upset or Marcus Aurelio upset

 
Comment by jb
2008-07-01 10:04:10

betus has parlays

 
Comment by yohnstoppable
2008-07-01 10:04:49

I’d actually be tempted to put money on Aurelio at those odds. I think Griffin will win (Better wrestler will dictate where the fight takes place), but Aurelio is very slick and the best submission fighter Griffin’s faced thusfar.

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-07-01 10:17:46

what are you talkin about = /

Comment by O damn he got caught
2008-07-01 10:18:30

o shit my bad, lol there’s 2 griffin’s on this card lol

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Comment by Mark
2008-07-01 10:09:33

I called BetUS yesterday and they said they didnt offer parlays. Just straight betting and future bets. My understanding of future betting is picking the DREAM 5 champion.

Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 11:11:45

Mark, log in to BetUs. Click on SPORTSBOOK. Click on 1) PARALYS. Then check the boxes next to UFC and MMA. I just made and wagered on 2 more parlays this morning on BetUs. When they had over/unders for MMA fights, sometimes they wouldn’t allow you to do a parlay involving the same fight. Meaning you couldn’t bet on Houston Alexander and the Under in a parlay. However, sometimes they would accept them… Strange. But as of the last 5 events or so, they have stopped offering the over/under’s. I really liked them…

Comment by Mark
2008-07-01 11:23:52

Thanks ViolentMike.

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Comment by DavidM
2008-07-01 10:15:16

Griffin better than Jackson in all areas? Did I read that right? What a ridiculous claim.

Comment by JJ
2008-07-01 12:38:28

you did not read that right

 
 
Comment by djgalvin
2008-07-01 10:17:47

I hate Jorge Gurgel! I hope he get knocked the fuck out, loses most of his teeth via flying knee to the mouth so he can never talk himself up so much ever again in his stupid little accent!! On his stint in the TUF house he was all talk and a big fat loser at the end of the day and the only reason he is still in the UFC is because he is Franklin’s bum chum! The UFC loves Franklin and so do i but that is no reason to have such a boring and over hyped fighter in the UFC, if he was to stay in the UFC he should be on the undercard of a Ultimate Fight Night and never be seen on TV again unless he scores a SPECTACULAR KO and only the KO should be showed because I guarantee the rest of the fight will be boring and he will be getting his ass kicked throughout!!! Harsh but so fucking true! :@

Comment by Haze
2008-07-01 10:44:09

How do you really feel?

 
 
Comment by the heat
2008-07-01 10:28:09

put money on marcus aurelio he might pull it off and his odds are good

 
Comment by sooper822
2008-07-01 10:32:52

WAR GRIFFIN!!!

Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 11:17:07

You have typed this in every single thread. Why?

And who the F are you reffering to??? There are multiple Griffin’s on this card.

Go suck on Jim Rome’s nuts until you have something 1/8th intelligent to say.

Forrest is going to get his head knocked square off of his shoulders regardless of how many times you type “War Griffin”.

Comment by john
2008-07-01 14:25:41

I heard that! BURN!!!!

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Comment by SkeletonKey
2008-07-02 01:02:44

Can we stop with the “WAR” shit already? I’m sure many of the posters on our forum are high school kids, but this “WAR” garbage is ridiculous. I’d like to shoot the bastard who coined that irritating puke.

Sooper, the fighter you’re posting “WAR” for will never see your post, it certainly won’t help him win (especially Forrest), and it annoys the hell out of us. Do you need another reason?

Bodog’s right down the hall, kid. Maybe you’d find more acceptance from those boobs. Cheers.

 
 
Comment by djgalvin
2008-07-01 10:43:35

I think Quinton “Rampage” Jackson vs Forest Griffin is the best and most interesting fight on the card, the rest will be good too but nothing really to write home about to be honest.

 
Comment by kevin
2008-07-01 11:09:09

Tuesday Morning Conversation with Kevin:
Sorry for the weak one yesterday, but the week end posts made it necessary!

NICK DIAZ, what’s the first word that comes to mind? Bad ass? Warrior? punk? how bout champion?

I’ve been calling for Nick and all caesar gracie guys to leave elite, but am starting to rethink this. Nick will beat KJ “king Joke” noons next time they fight and has already beaten Robbie Lawler. (no lucky punch comments please, and if you must, tell me who he was trying to hit as he out boxed lawler the whole fight)! That’s 2 titles! Now I seriously doubt he and Jake Shields would ever hook em up, but he is capable of winning at WW too. Add in the fact that elite allows him to fight in Japan (which he loves to do) and also lets him fight every 6 weeks (which no one in UFC does), and you have a recipe for staying with Elite.
I think the CSAC releases pay, so if indeed elite is paying Nick, I think he’ll stay with Elite and possibly hold 2-4 (including dream) titles!
This all being said, here are a few rematches I’d like to see and believe Nick would win:
Diaz/Karo
Diaz/Sanchez
Diaz/Sherk

and for the title Diaz/Lawler!!!

Am I crazy or am I realistic??

Comment by eightyproof
2008-07-01 11:41:46

i do think he can take lawler again, aswell as noons. so id say 2 titles (if he is allowed to) plus the dream WW. (thats actually the toughest one imo. im split 50-50 on it, i really like diaz, have for a very long time.. i just dont think he gives mma his all. just me?

Comment by PhilQNY
2008-07-01 11:51:36

Diaz would beat both KJ buffoon and Lawler if they aver rematched again. Diaz is a very dangerous opponent. Remember..he floored Lawler when he was only 22yrs old.

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Comment by eightyproof
2008-07-01 12:51:43

i just went and watched that diaz vs lawler fight for the first time in a long time, and man that was a sweet punch. diaz’s eyes were right on lawler and bam, right into the jaw. there is no way anyone can call that lucky. WAR DIAZ and his 3 future belts.

 
Comment by PhilQNY
2008-07-01 13:09:58

To add..Robbie at the time was on a tear..he was drugging everyone at 170. Then Robbie ran into the brick wall named Diaz.. In Diaz’s pre fight interview he broke Robbie ’s game down to the T…and Nick Diaz followed through..I’ve been a fan of his ever since.

 
Comment by john
2008-07-01 14:28:11

Diablo Diaz or as I like to call him “THE PROBLEM” has the ability to beat anyone at any given moment. Does that mean he will go undefeated for the rest of his career, of course not, but he is a bad mofo, and a huge threat to anyone that he will ever face.

Solid Boxing + Great Reach advantage + Mega Ju jitsu = a great shot at beating anyone!

 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 15:04:51

I am with you Phil!!!! I have been a HUGE fan of Nick since that Lawler fight.

Diaz has the ability to beat just about anyone, because he can always catch a quick submission even when he’s losing the fight. Is it just me, or does it seem like Nick’s standup and especially his takedown skills have regressed?

Kev, I do not see Nick having more than 2 belts at the same time.

 
 
Comment by b.w
2008-07-01 12:09:15

i dont thinnk nick can beat any of the top 10 fghters in the uf ww div anymore. he was lucky against aina? got owned by k.j. and who is cobbrey? shields is a top 10 ww in the world, 170lbs. nick he weighd 179 for his last fight. thats most likely why elite xc oficials are not letting him fight k.j. for the title, he probably couldnt make weight at 160 lbs. i admire your passion for nick and admit he is a true warrior but but his caeser gracie bjj black belt doeesnt do him any good if he cant get the fight to the ground annd his striking game is in the toilet. i think its still in the realm of possibility that he can still beat noons or sherk, but diego would eat him for lunch (diego has improved vastly since their fight and nick has deeclined) and karo probably stll has enough to.win decisively. lets wait until he demolishes denny. (once again who’s he?) and if the fight against sakurai actually happens. mach is still a top fighter(not as good as he used to be, but a very formidable opponent). if he can bea sakurai then he can start talking about beaing top guys again. oh and btw he might still be able to beat lawler as long as he can take the fight to the ground. i dont think lawler deserves to be a top 10 lhw or frank trigg for that matter. TITLES DONT COUNT IN ELITE XC IMO, so no b.j. or randy comparisons please!

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Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 15:07:34

I believe Nick weighed in at 169, not 179. Its a 160 lb division and he was 9 lbs over. Not 19 pounds over!

 
Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 15:08:24

Also, weeks before the fight he notified Cobbrey’s camp to let them know that he will not be making the 160 lb wieght, so it became a catch weight fight before Mushin had to start his cutting

Comment by kevin
2008-07-01 15:10:32

good catch mike, but it wasn’t weeks before, it was days, but at least he manned up!

 
 
Comment by john
2008-07-01 15:28:00

Diaz reminds me of Nogueira, gets beat up, but then wins the fight! I love it!

 
Comment by b.w
2008-07-01 19:44:06

VM. your right 169 was it, my bad.

 
Comment by b.w
2008-07-01 19:46:55

john. big nog has done that alot more than nick. nick comes back, but usually on the losing side. now nate on the other hand is a different story.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Tony
2008-07-01 13:02:34

Im betting from the uk on Almeida 8/11! a few others look tempting.

Comment by ViolentMike
2008-07-01 15:08:59

Big DOg as and Under Dog???? Where are you getting these odds????

Canada?? LOL

Comment by medecineballs
2008-07-01 17:26:20

i have a cousin in lovely paris that bets mma and he said he and his wife bet on almeida as a heavy under dog. i thought it was strange too, but it works out for me cause they put a hundred-fifty euros on him for me!

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Comment by pUniSHment
2008-07-01 14:19:20

I hope they show the Hill vs. Bucholz fight.. Bucholz is a fckn dangerous fighter, and with a few more years of fighting elite level fighters, I think he has the chance to become champion. (AS long as Penn’s waist isn’t sore from wearing the belt).

 
Comment by jow32
2008-07-01 14:47:03

kevin u are CRAZYYY if u think the loser of nick can beat in a rematch diego sanchez, sherk, karo or lawler cmon dude wake up nick will lose again vs kj noons nick dias is a joke but trust me he belong to the elite he should stay there

Comment by kevin
2008-07-01 15:11:47

where did I say he’d win, I said I’d like to ssee it! But for your information, Diego is one of my favorites, and I think it would be a great fight. He’d destroy Karo, and sherk too!

 
 
Comment by RoB
2008-07-01 15:11:13

Nick Diaz would lose every single one of those… and he will lose to KJ Noons too, because he cant take KJ down and KJ will knock that guy out with his boxing!! Diego would kill Diaz this time.. and Rampage will for sure finish Forrest inside 3 rounds

 
Comment by Scottie G
2008-07-01 21:25:13

About BETUS PARLAYS

Will ANYONE with a BETUS account PLEASE clarify if there is a $50 cash-out charge? That is ridiculous…I want to bet on parlays, but $50 for every withdrawl?

PLEASE respond if you have an account…I need to know this before I use that site or not.

 
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