“I’ve been down at Randy’s a lot. Actually, Randy’s really helped me out so far. I really have got to give him a lot of credit for helping me out and kind of helping me with takedown defense and things like that.”
– Heath Herring talks about the preparation for his upcoming fight against Brock Lesnar at UFC 87: “Seek and Destroy” with MMAWeekly.com. “The Texas Crazy Horse” was taken down at will in a loss to Jake O’Brien in his Octagon debut and striker Cheick Kongo implemented the same game plan against Herring (although it didn’t work). Lesnar is a collegiate wrestling champion and has tremendous skills and speed — he’ll likely be looking to put Herring on his back and pound him out. It should be interesting to see if “The Natural” can impart any Greco-Roman wisdom that keeps Herring upright.
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I dont think any amount of takedown defense preparation will stop the beast that is Brock from taking Herring down.
i agree.
lesnar will not lose this fight.
herring is a great fighter and he is more of a threat then mir was
but i dont think lesnar will be a crazy and way to pumped this time.
when lesnar fought mir. i knew mir was going to win.
so sure i bet 25,000 on mir.
this time i will be betting on lesnar. the man is not going to be all frantic this time.
he will be composed and use his size to take down and pound the ever loving shit out of herring.
To ~Sticky~Fingers and JV
Hearring went toe to toe with Nog who trains boxing all the time. I will say it a thousand times… 30yr olds cannot learn the skills needed to compete in upper level MMA. That’s why Kimbo will never make it as well.If Brock was 25yrs old then maybe but the fluent biomechanics of learning submissions and throwing punches and kicks only come through years and years of practice at a young age or at the lastest mid 20’s. Just ask Matt Hughes how his stand up is coming along? Sure he started training boxing of late but it really is too late. I have my house on Herring but anything can happen in MMA. I would reconsider your bet but that is your call…. There can only be one Randy Couture!
i know herring can win.
i just dont see it.
trust me i am a huge fan of heath its just a bad matchup. and bad timing.
i am not going to bet as much as i did on mir but i will be betting agianst heath.
talk to me after the fight.
Thank God there is only one Randy Couture. lol. I understand your arguement, but I think this will be one of those fights where Brock’s power and aggressiveness will simply overwhelm Herring. I know MMA has shown time and time again that size and strength can be beaten with high levels of skill. But I don’t think Herring has that high level of skill needed to counter a hard training, genetic freak like Lesnar.
I completely disagree with you Robert. It’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks, yes. But in regards to the fighting game, Brock is a young dog. He hasn’t developed bad habits, or any habits over the years from fighting because he’s never done it. Matt Hughes won 30 plus fights relying on ground and pound before he even had to think about improving his striking. Same with Kimbo, obviously he’s been fighting for years and has developed bad habits. When you’re used to doing something one way for so many years, it’s hard to break the bad habits hence the expression “it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks”.
Go back and watch some of Herrings old fights. He’s always struggled with dominant wrestlers, although he pulled out some good wins against them, none were the genetic freak that Lesnar is. If anything this takedown defense training is all in vain, once again because of that same expression. Lesnar will win in dominating fashion.
In general Robert I would agree that for most starting at 30 is a bit too late but in Brock’s case I believe he can compete at the highest level. However this one is so finally balanced I see it as more or less 50-50. I can see the arguments for both sides but I’m going to sit soundly on the fence and just enjoy this one.
I appreciate all of your comments very informative analysis thanks alot. I ‘m glad to be part of a forum where there seems to be down to earth, level headed guys who are respectful towards one another and who simply love MMA… but you guys are so wrong…. crazy horse wins by experience… brock has never even been punched in the face before…. I’m right…big time!!!!!! Just Kidding. Believe it or not I think this is going to be the best fight of the card.
25000 yen or US dollars?
US dollars-
the only money that matters to me.
Yawn – anyone who posts how much they bet is usually lying. $25.00 is probably the reality
yawn?
do i make u sleepy?
maybe u need a nap.
Hmm, i’ve come to the conclusion
that your
a
bit
weird
i dont know what to say to that.
so. uh?
thanks.
Bet 25,000 on Mir?
Everybody is such a highroller on this site…
I guess millionaires love their MMA.
Stinky-
Your blogs are hysterical. Keep them coming, son!
thanks OJR.
i never used to be a high roller cause i was to busy being high. and i had no loot.
now i am a professional gambler.
not only did i think mir was going to win- i pretty much predicted exactly how it was going to happen.
that is actually my favorite bet i ever made cause i was dead on. minus the point deduct.
actually my favorite bet was the day i bought a mega million lotto ticket.
LMAO.
i bet 1 hundred million dollars on mir to win by knee bar in the first!! Sticky Fingers your like a little toddler gambler, you should grow up!
25k, you must have nearly died when Brock was pounding away on Mir!!! Was it you who paid off Mazza?
you are right.
my heart was pounding like lesnar on mir.
it was pounding faster then jenna J, back in the day.
but i have made bigger bets and i always know my risk.
i dont win them all but i do win alot.
Hey Stinky when I grow up, I want to be like you.
I wan’t to be able to bet 25k on a fight.
I also want to understand why you put spaces between every sentence.
You are so full of $hit It’s coming out of your ears.
You don’t know anything about MMA if you think that McCully or Eddie Sanchez would or even could beat Fedor.
Ha Ha.
Ha Ha.
funny stuff jimmy_dean.
you will never understand why
i do
anything i do.
cause u dont know me and never will.
i can tell u one thing though
i am not full of shit.
i just took a huge dump. so thats a false statement by u.
and trust me man
i totally dominated that toilet!
25k holy shit!! i bet you were shitting your pants in the first 30sec of the fight lol
Anyone KNow how much Brock actually weighs when he fights?
at least 2 gina carano’s.
seriously- my guess is 285 ta 290 ish?
I didnt think he fought at over 300 lbs either. Some idiot in school was trying to convince me that he cuts 40 pounds! What a tool!
Thanks
John, your at school?? =
no way he is over 300 for a fight the next day.
your freind must be one of those college guys who are there but should not be.
290 would seem most logical. for a man of his stature
Nick, is that you? I lost my phone, had to get a new 1. Text me from your phone saying its you so I can store your #!
Leaving school now! Done for the day. No basketball this week, we will be back in the gym on Monday!
I believe lesnar will destroy Herring either standup or on the ground.
Destroy Herring in standup .. are you serious mate!
Herring is going to give us one for the highlight reels of all time. Big Heavyweight Knock Out in the first round.
I think it will be a very interesting fight! Both Hearing and Brock are doing exactly what they need to do to maximize their chances for success in this fight. Lesnar is training with a Ju jitsu GOD, and Hearing is working with one of the best wrestlers in mma history.
I expect to see 2 heavyweights on top of their games, go to WAR. The stand up portion of the fight should be very interesting. Although his striking is not that Fluid, Brock hits like a Tank! He dropped Mir with that lazy right cross. Will Hearing be able to deal with the power? I am not sure. To early to make an analysis on this fight. Check back with me in early August!
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and as many after that they put on.
i cant wait to see aleksander in action. i have never seen him fight live and i cant wait.
i have never seen babalu live either and look forward to that.
Nice points John. I believe Heath is also still working with Rob Kaman. That’s a smart move. Kaman is the man.
YEAH Kaman is GREAT!
Lesnar looks like he can’t stand up, his stance looks Ugly, But I dout he will be going for that. Herring will get Demolished GnP.
While herring is still not too impressive, I feel he has turned the page in his last two fights. He looks better, physically,his conditioning has been good, and while he still has little to no ground game(see cheik kongo fight) he in my opinion has a very good chance of pulling it off. Brock has only been in the sport of mma for a little over 2 years and while he is physical beast, and his GnP is sick he hasn’t really proven to be anyone. He got beat by a washed up Frank Mir,lets face it folks regardless of what Dana says, he was looking at Mir as a Can and figuring Brock for the easy win. no one knows what his conditioning is past 2 and a half minutes, he can’t defend the submission, and his stand up is questionable. I feel as though Herring will not only win this fight but in a horribly weak division he may get thrown into the title picture and no longer be looked as a gatekeeper fighter.
You consider a 29-year-old former champion and current No. 1 contender (in an admittedly weak division) washed up? DW put that fight together because Brock asked to fight the best, not pad his record with horribly overmatched chumps. Frank Mir is one of the three best HW BJJ and submission specialists in the world. Anything less than that and Brock gets the win.
Herring is probably going to get man handled.
I really hope Brock wins this fight.
Mir might have been washed up in comparison to his older self, but I still think that he was Brocks weakness. He was a specialist at what it quite possibly the only way to beat Brock Lesnar.
rofl lesnar is going to dismantle herring then big nog then chuck norris
herring training with randy wont help him all that much training for brock is impossible mainly because that kinda beast is only found in a kids movie and is green
Will Herring be the one to test Lensar’s stand up and chin? The only other person at heavyweight that is a dangerous striker is Kongo.
I think herring will win this one. via head kick. late in the 1st or early in the 2nd. But I really want brock to win.
that would be awesome! highlight-reel that giant with the enormous head and man-boobies.
I will be in front of the computer yelling: “Tiiiiiiiiimber”
Na i’m rooting for Brock, the heavyweight division is crying out for a superstar, not saying its Brock but for sure its not Heath.
Lesnar will take him down with ease and there is no way Heath will get out from the bottom, but he is a good striker, I think there is a slight percentage that he might win by Ko, otherwise it is all brock..
I don’t get why he would be training with Randy for Brock. Brock is a freestyle, Randy is greco, it’s apples and oranges.
Heath’s takedown defense has always sucked, so it’s good he’s improving it, but he’s definitely going about it the wrong way in my opinion.
And for anyone who seriously thinks it’s not a huge difference, go watch Couture vs Randleman, where Randleman easily takes Couture down repeatedly until gassing in the third in a typical Randleman fashion.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Randy never really used the shoot. It was more his style to use his greco roman experience; clinch and from there to get the takedown. Should talk to Chuck about how to sprawl.
Yees, Brock really needs to win this fight for the UFC and for all the fans… if Brock loses this fight the UFC have done a terrible job because Brock has the potential to be great and a superstar but maybe they’re giving him too good opponents too early in his career..
This is not the ufc !!!!!!!
if you’re referring to the fact that one of the dumbest fighters in the sport is being set up to get creamed by a professional wrestler/gifted athlete, then you’re mistaken. this is the UFC and this is what they do to compete.
im referring to the fact that they are putting Brock in a fight that Herring has a huge chance to win.. they should give Lesnar some easier fights with more inexperienced fighters to build him up and give him some time to work on his game
Should be a very good fight to watch, but if Kongo can take you down, Lesnar should have no problems.
herring might be a lot of things but he’s certainly not the brightest fighter in MMA.
Even though Herring has lost, he has been in there with some of the best in the world. He knows what it is like to get punched in the face or to take a knee to the ribs. I will have to judge Lesner after this fight. How can he take a knee or a solid punch to the jaw. I am going with Herring for this, because I do not know how well Lesner is going to deal with getting hit. He has never had that before, so until I see proof of his ability in this area, to me he is just an excellent heavyweight superstar wrestler rather than an excellent mma heavyweight.
Brock Lesnar, first 90 sec via refs have to scrape Heaths face off the mat.
as long as brock does not kiss him, he should be alright
LMFAO! That was one of the funniest things I have ever seen! Who was the guy who gave him the smooch?
Would love the link to that if anyone knows.
that queers name is Yoshihiro Nakao.
his nickname is kiss.
and that is not a joke. that really is his nickname.
and that man got what was coming to him. he deserved that one.
if i was heath?
after i ko’d him.
i would have foot-stomped the back of his head when he was down and out.
cause i believe that even though my opponant or vicim(as i say)
is down and out?
it is still free-game and i believe in kicking a man while he is down
so u should not have kissed me.
here u r chef-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loVqGHxFwmE
you owe me a meal 4 that one.
Anytime you’re in Richmond. Truly you are fast as the giraffe.
My co-workers and I thank you, we just watched it about 10 times. Hysterical!
maybe even faster?
who knows?
and u can tell ur co-workers yourwelcome!
lesner within the first 2 minutes. herring has nothing to stop the take down. nor does any other hw. the only guys that will be able to stop brock are submission guys
Lesnar couldnt take GSP down!!! Noone can!!!…lol…Im obviously joking…
kongo was a big STANDUP striker, so ground n pounding him was in the realm of reality cuz kongo was lazy on his back. brock WILL take herring down NO PROBLEM before herring will knock him out unless some kind of miracle happens or help from the ref ala brock/mir. GUARANTEE lesnar 1st round brutal gnp stoppage. take a loan out of your 401k to bet on this!… also, can we get the 2 mammoth mfkers to fight? kongo/lesnar PLEEAAASE!!
I really wanted to see Tim Sylvia vs. Brock. It would be fun to see Big Tim get slammed. I think Brocks probably the only guy in the world that could take Tim down with ease. And im not talkin Greco clinchwork like Randy, I’m talkin huge double leg with a slam at the end of it. How cool would that have been?
yeaa. the slam he does in WWE! lol. add james thompson & semmy schiltz to the list of giants i want to see rumble!
LOL….F5!!!!or maybe that double or triple powerbomb!!
so you’re not JUST a mma fan i see… HAHA!!
Brock Power Bombs Big Show Link
my mistake ‘Brock F5s Big Show Link’
I used to be into wrestling…I grew out of it…besides, once MMA went mainstream and was on TV all the time with PPV’s every month, I kicked the WWE to the curb…stupid sideshow BS…lol
Brock will do wha he does…take him down and try to ground and pound him. I bet he succeeds, but not in a flash. He’ll have to wear Heath down first. As far as Mir goes, he is a more technically gifted fighter than Herring. Thats why he beat Brock with that knee bar. I just don’t see any way Herring wins this fight. Unless of course Brock is stupid enough to stand and bang with him. Herring hits VERY hard. I predict Brock by either late stoppage or decision.
heath will submit brock just like mir…watch and see
Herring as all the experience in the world but i don’t think a heavy weight has ever had a combo of size strength and speed of brock…lesnar is a four time all American and 2000 heavyweight champion with a record of 106-5 a career that rivals legends such as mark Coleman mark Kerr randy couture etc… i don’t see why people see this guy as a joke he started late and did go straight to the top but he trains his ass off hes brought in a world class jujitsu expert 7time world champion as far as who wins who knows heath herring could very well beat brock in 1-2-3 round by either tko or submission who knows but lesnar has just as much of a chance to beat herring this is mma anything can happen and i think lesnar ability is over looked by alot of die hard mma fans due to his background i love this sport always have before the tv shows b4 the bandwagon filled the fucked up back in the human cock fighting days when john McCain tried to banish the sport..ive seen alot of great fighters and have much respect for herring but i think people need to get they head out there ass and see lesnar as a very athletic guy with huge potential and not a former WWE star he joined WWE in 2000 for millions of dollars he wouldn’t of made that in MMA shit he isn’t gonna make that now he wants to compete and that is just what he is doing….hate away on my comments but there true