“With the tap, I didn’t fully commit to the tap, but I did hit him once. I guess they ruled that a tap. I thought you had to go on and start tapping out. I did hit him once. Right as I did that, I felt my arm get into a position where I could get out. At that point Herb (Dean) ruled it as a tap out.”
– CB Dollaway tells MMAWeekly.com that he tapped but he didn’t really tap during his fight with Amir Sadollah for The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 7 middleweight crown. There was some controversy in the wake of the tussle that referee Herb Dean perhaps blew the call. However, it seems that Dollaway began to tap and then had second thoughts while in the armbar. Therefore, it’s difficult to blame Dean — seeing the movement — for an early stoppage — he had no choice but to waive off the bout.
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You tapped CB, get over it.
Adam and bnf, you guys want to go in on a suite if elite comes to stockton (if I don’t get cage side)? let me know if you guys are down!
have you guys seen the rumored card for cbs?? it’s f@cking stacked!!!
Robbie Lawler vs Scott Smith
Nick Diaz vs KJ Noons
Jake Shields vs TBA (Nick Thompson/Paul Daley)
Antonio Silva vs TBA (Roy Nelson/Buzz Berry)
Shayna Baszler vs TBA (Kelly Kobald)
Wilsion Reis vs TBA (Mark Oshiro/Bao Quach)
That’s a decent card, but the production value and the stoppages to keep it “network friendly” still leave a bad taste in my mouth. I’ll probably still watch though.
I doubt they’ll be network friendly stoppages! That wasn’t the case last time, it was “star value for elite” stoppages!
I have a feeling that everytime EliteXc is on CBS that it will suck! The card is interesting, but production, commerials, and the unfair control that the network has on the athletic Commission, pretty much ruins the event.
Much better card then the 1st one. I wonder how successful it will be with out Kimbo and the zillions of idiots that he draws!
It was great to watch a cocky CB get defeated then try and argue. I know guys feel getting TKO’d can be “early” but taping is pretty simple. That guy is a terd, I like Amir but don’t consider him much of a contender. I still enjoy watching a guy with heart…
I don’t know, I think it’s too soon to really decide if Amir will ever become a serious contender. I mean, who thought Forrest would beat Shogun and get a shot at Rampage for the LHW belt, or that Diego’s undefeated streak would continue past guys like Karo and Nick Diaz, or that Kenny would become one of the top lightweights in the UFC. On paper, Amir probably should have lost every fight he had on The Ultimate Fighter, but he didn’t. He’s got a ton of talent and heart, and proved a lot of people who pegged CB to crush him (twice even!) wrong. While it’s too soon to realistically see him going up against some of the upper echelon in the MW division(or WW, if he drops), who knows how he could improve in 1-2 years time?
Agreed. There is no such thing as a almost tap if you connect with the opponent. Kenny Florian was in a knee bar by Dokonjonosuke and put his hand up as if to tap but then he shifted a little and relieved the pressure enough where he never brought his hand down to make contact with a tap. That is the only kind of almost tapped. What CB did was tap, and then even if he felt a better position right after, it was irrelevent because he had just tapped.
He should have a better pain threshold because it looks like the moment he feels pain, he goes for tap like he is in practice. Maybe then he realizes that he tapped prematurely but it’s too late. His camp needs to work on that in camp. They’re gonna have to hold him in some submissions so he can truly know how much he can and can not take.
I gave CB props and I thought he was for real, but now I have my doubts. He may wind up as just another c or b- level fighter. At best!!!
Yeah! Once you tap, you’re done!!Done deal CB!!
the reason y you felt you can escape your arm is because you tapped and he let go u dumb smuck
I’m so sick of CB. He’s a talented fighter, but he’s so cocky and such a whiner! I agree Jase, deal with it: you lost (twice)!
“I did hit him once. Right as I did that, I felt my arm get into a position where I could get out. ”
He felt this cause Herb Dean get Amir to let go – you could see in the replay that his arm was not coming out – and Amir had it to the point where he could have snapped it.
CB – you tapped.
We have enough reasons to bash Herb Dean, this isn’t one of them. CB, maybe your arm got into a better position because Amir though you were tapping too.
How do you get caught twice? I hope CB isn’t going to be one of these guys who has tons of talent but no work ethic. Needs to get past his frat boy days and start focusing on becoming a professional.
thank you guys, I was expecting guys to be saying he didn’t tap. Thank god, he did tap, and I agree, the moment he thought he could get out was the moment herb dean stepped in!
Exactly kevin, I was waiting for a million posts on early/controversial stoppage. Glad everybody watched this with eyes wide open.
CB is the ONLY one that thought it was controversial. Even his mom and grandma thought he tapped.
Okay, maybe I made that part up…
exactly bro thats where you seperate the men from the boys! thats what seperates the pros the likes of rampage jackson, chuck liddell and randy couture from the likes of tito ortiz! tito is like an eternal frat boy! sure his conditioning is excelent but his game hasnt improved much at all! hes a glory hogger at best! and the likes of cb need to stop being cocky assholes and learn all aspect of fighting! be a professional!
as much as people didnt like mac danzig he was a professional he is a 155 guy who won the 170 tuf 6 he was pro while the rest of em were up and commers looking for stardom! not sure where they were at just frat boys and jocks! amir was never cock and gave no shit on the show! he had the right attitude for fighting and thats why he won! sure i think it was an early stoppage amir wasnt about to snap it and cb was going for the slam but i think amir wouldnt have let go and it would have been over in maybe 10-20 seconds! cb needs to man up and become a pro! same way jesse taylor needs to become a pro and no bs monkeyin about binge drinking! realy take it serious and dedicate your life to it
BullSH(%#Yt. Man up CB..You Tapped. Next time I hope the BJJ guys snaps your arm off..so there is not any dispute..or exscuses. CB just needs to man up.
Damn PhilQNY, where have you been???????????
Bro..I was out of the loop of things for a minute..most important to me my man..I’m back!
Haha that good man.. There’s so many new people on here, that I don’t even recognize many of the peeps that post anymore.
He didn’t “fully commit to the tap”? I wasn’t aware that there were partial tap commitments. Seriously though, C.B. needs to get over it, after being submitted by Amir twice you’d think he’d be able to accept defeat graciously.
Ya, it is like base ball right. A half swing… Tap once. Haha.
He Tapped.
He did only tap once, which is a tap, but i can see what he is saying about not commiting to the tap, becuase he did “rethink” it before HErb stepped in. Either way, he wasnt getting out of that armbar, and he would have either tapped seconds later or lost his arm. He’s a good fighter, and will be a force in the UFC eventually….he was probably more pissed at himself than anything…I see a good future for both he and Amir
You’ve got to call the fight right there or you are going to have a bunch of guys fake the tap in hopes the guy will let up on the submission.
great point goatboy. I like both fighters, but i hated the ending seeming controversial. Somewhere on this board I read that there might be a three tap rule, but I think the refs discretion is better especially for the reason you say. Fake tapping would add a weasel move for those whom are predisposed to that kinda stuff. And the counter to the fake tap would be the follow through ,till the joint snapped, or the prolonged submission in order to avoid fake tapping. The whole thing could escalate to the point where the reason for the tap, mercy and safety, would become moot.
Cry me a river. You tapped, again. To an armbar, again. Maybe you should work on your sub defense and not your excuses.
His excuses need some work too, this one is downright laughable. I do think it’s a bad sign though when a guy looks for excuses to justify a loss, rather than learning from it and training accordingly. It seems like a personality flaw that can only serve to hold him back professionally, not to mention making him look like a fool.
This guy is still crying about that! I didnt fully commit to the tap but I did hit him once? WTF is that?
this guy is quickly becoming a beeeyatch. I wish Herb would have let Amir break it Tim Sylvia style.
“this guy is quickly becoming a beeeyatch.”
Hilarious and true!!
This is the UFC man, its not some practice in the gym…this type of bulls*** will not attract people or for starters Dana White, who has the control to give you a UFC contract.
Accept it because everyone else has.
There no difference between 1 tap or 50 taps. By definition 1 tap is all it takes. Just think about how you say it. You would ask the question “did he tap”, a singular. All it takes is one you douche CB.
well said. I’m with you.
What if CB hit Amir’s leg with the same amount of force, very weak, but with a closed fist. Would that be a tap, or a single punch to the thigh?
I’m pretty sure it needs to be an open hand to qualify as a tap out.
How do you fully commit to a tap when you tap? I think he is confused.
CB-Go look in a mirror and you will see the guy that tapped.
Even in bjj without punches, you tap once, and its OVER. No faking, if you think you can get out, the get the F**K out of the sub. Tapping is a mechanism to let the ref know he needs to stop it NOW, not determine whether or not he “kind of” tapped. anyone else with me in saying, THANK GOD another crappy lay-n-pray wrestler didn’t make it all the way? >=)
I’m with you.
I co sign that.
I third it!
I fourth it!!! A “lay and pray” wrestler”. Funny.
He felt his arm get into a better position because Amir felt the tap and loosened up.
Right on the money, if you watch the replay you can see he taps once and relizes that he can now get free…also the only thing keeping him safe was by holding on to Amir’s hand with his free hand when he let go of Amir’s hand it was to tap
totally
Yeah, I agree. He should have let Amir snap his arm in half, and then let CB bitch about how Herb didn’t stop the fight. This guy had a lot of hype behind him for some for TUF, and I have no respect for him after this crap. Good luck scrapping by for the next few years after the UFC gets rid of you. Give CB Nate Marquatte next and let a real 185er back in the mix.
he did hit him twice
I thought he tapped twice as well. From the first angle it was hard to see it but there was one angle that I swear he tapped twice but as earlier stated even 1 tap = tapout.
Just one tap.
I really, really hate people like this. God, all wrestlers have that same stupid mentality.
Woah!!! Not all wrestlers are like CB and Josh Koscheck.
totally DB, the TRUE wrestler mentality is guys like couture, hughes, and so many other great MMA fighters that began with wrestling and then used a wrestlers GREATEST strength, which is pure work ethic. Then they adapted their skills to MMA and become pure killers. What you see with CB and CoCo Taylor is someone who was a solid wrestler just because of natural build, but the rest of the time they were busy being ignorant frat boys instead of training to fight. Did you see CB’s history clip before the fight? looked like MTV springbreak
his expression at the end was priceless.. that dumb look on his mushey face.. How do you get submitted twice by the same thing?
CB loves men
He just might… judging by those faggy shades he wore on the show. LOL.
And he wore them inside, at night. lol
Maybe Herb is a lil gunshy still from watching Mir break Sylvia’s arm and doesn’t want to see it again?
I cannot name specific fights, but I do remember guys in the past 3 yrs in the UFC tapping once or twice, and not having the fight stopped. I thought that there was a four tap rule for a tap-out.
That being said, I am happy with the stoppage. I don’t like CB’s attitude. And I think it’s great that he lost the same way to Amir twice in a row.
off topic: go to ufc website to watch Hazelett vs Burkman for FREE!! Burkman looked good in a losing effort. slick sub by Hazlett! FIGHT OF THE NIGHT
Dustin is the best thing coming out of Jorge Gurgel’s camp. The BEST!!! Nasty.. and he gets it. BJJ..he F’n gets and applies it so well to MMA..in a few more McLovin type fights..he will be in line for a title shot. + he is 22! I’m a big fan of his.
His fight agaisn’t Koscheck was sick. His stand-up looked pretty good, he just got caught… And only 22, he will destroy Koscheck if he is given a rematch. A few more years and he will be a serious threat to anyone.
yea.. he hung in there and took some hard shots (which i didn’t think he could do). n i thoght burkman was going to overwhelm him and it looked like he was on his way to doing that. hazelett was just RELENTLESS wit his sub attempts… n i like that sh*t. burkman was all out too. it was a great fight.
CB is an idiot. YOU TAPPED YOU PUZZ, quit crying, your a frat boy not a fighter.
He should be happy that Amir is gracious and he let go when he felt the tap rather than waiting for Herb Dean the guy just wanted to win his intentions were never to break CB’s arm. Amir has alot of upside hope he continues being humble.
now he can go back 2 parting around the pool ! cb see ya !
think amir can make 170?
i think he would do well there.
I understand why Herb stopped the fight and I don’t have a problem with it but I think so not have this kind of issue in the future there should be a clear rule about. If one tap is enough then it should be clearly stated in the rules for the refs to follow. However if they decide you need to tap more than once, if it is two or three times that should be decided and the refs should work with those rules in the future.
This pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Why can’t my next fight be against this guy so i can smash him….but my time will come soon when i drop to middle weight and i get the call to the UFC……i’m already in talks with Joe Silva for A “UFC 89 appearence” but let’s see what happen………everyone please make sme excitement about me on here look at the UTUBE posts everthing help me out
I just peeped your interview with Sherdog after your first MMA fight..good stuff man. I hope we see you at UFC89..when you get there give a shout out to your peeps at mmamania.
I just peeped the interview with Sherdog after your first MMA fight…good stuff man..Well I hope to see in UFC..and when you get there..shout the peeps at MMAmania.
come on your not the best fighter in canada…
GSP is…
I saw your fight in Halifax the one where you lost to the guy from top team. I was hoping/expecting you crush him. Oh well.
Have you fought since then?
I hope you make the UFC and manage better than Valmaki or Goulet. Heck even better than MacDonald would be cool.
Haha did you create your own wikipedia page??? Well anyway I hope you do get your shot in the UFC one day.. Good luck mang.
Hey Roger,
Been wondering where you’ve been… I wrote a bit on you some time back on one of these blogs before you got injured in the Pollett fight. All the best in the UFC – you should be there. And, take T.J. Grant with you. He just beat a former UFC guy in Halifax on the weekend.
AND CB just so you know… tapping once is one tap. Tap twice, that’s two. Tap three times or more and that’s three or more taps. The refs can actually count fairly high but start counting like the rest of the planet at 1 – you tapped more than none so that counts.
he tapped out
He should change his name to CB GoAway. Nobody wants the excuses.
Or CB “Put Your” Dollaway since he acts like a little girl.
Nice!
he did tap u know that dude get over it and u look like an assholeeeeee after herb stop the fight
OFF TOPIC: Does anyone think the UFC will put together Amir vs Jesse down the road? Think it’s possible?
with out a doubt, Spike and the UFC didnt mind the way things turned out at all it created drama by spiking intrest in the most viewed episode of the season and it builds the hype for a jesse vs amir fight down the road.
Fights that sell themselves by building hype from unforseen circumstances or situations is perfect for the UFC like….
Hughes vs Serra
Shamrock vs ortiz III (which ended up being the highest rated fight on spike)
Penn vs Sherk
One tap, three taps- you tapped. Amir is the man. Happy he won, hope he has a good career
i like cb but his big heads a target if he stands up and he’s so stupid against submissions.. i wanna know who he wrestled against in college to be an all american and wrestle them myself and be an all american.. he sucks but he’s kinda funny in that retard way
I get ya, CB….I didn’t fully knock up my girlfriend, either. She’s only sorta pregnant.
LOL
ever think you could of got your arm out of it because amir let off a little once you tapped.
amir did the right thing as soon as one tap hit him he let go of the pressure but held the arm that’s why CB thought i can get out now. the reason this always has to happen is to stop something like babalu vs. heath, now thats an extreme so i’ll use another example as well
leben vs. macdonald, leben was almost out made an effort to tab, but it was weak really weak in my opinion macdonald should have let go, the ref didn’t step in so leben went to sleep.
in general though i hate this macho i’m not going to tab let me go to sleep thing, ie. ed herman vs maia, or mcfedries vs. kampmann, liddell vs. horn, there are plenty to list, and i think it’s wrong. amir shouldn’t have to break CB’s arm to win, nor should mir against sylvia.
All you have to do is give a clear signal that you want to quit. In the ufc, there are no rules on how many times you have to tap. In Pride, i think you had to tap 3 times. There used to be a guy in pride who would tap 2 times to fake the guy he was fighting out, in order to release the submission hold. It was lame so I like this way better.
thats actually pretty smart, but I can see how its aggravaring to the fans
I feel your pain CB. I punched this dude in the face but i never connected.
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the only thing he didn’t fully commit to was training armbar defense.
exactly!!!!!!!! my bro and i have been saying that for a long time now. and i knew that if he didn’t train hard enough on his sub (most specifically: armbar) defense that amir would take it. and i hate guys that tap and then say they didn’t! its ridiculous! they catch it all on film!
Loved the way he said i didnt tap to Herb and Herb just said yes you did you tapped – he shut the funk up after that.
Herb Dean scares CB – fact!
Its no surprise to hear CB talk like this. Isn’t Joe Riggs from the same camp, I can’t help but be reminded of Joe whenever this CB guy talks, he is cocky and never accepts a defeat, much like riggs. All we heard from riggs was how hard he hit every time he went down a weight division, then he would lose and complain about it. This CB guy is the same, he complained when he lost to Amir the first time saying he new he was in a position to get arm bar’d but underestimated Amir, now he didn’t tap convincingly but did tap, WTF.
One point is that the Referee is expected to protect the fighters… regardless of whether you agree that CB tapped or not, it was Herb Deans responsibility to protect CB from getting his arm broken.
Tim Syvia didn’t tap when caught in an armbar by Frank Mir either…& the result was a compound fracture.
And the UFC didn’t fully commit to writing you a check.
Now go work on your submission defence so a 1-0 ex muay thai kickboxer with 8 months of jiu jitsu training doesn’t pull off the same armbar on you twice in two fights in a row, the second time faster than the first.
I agree 100%. I saw CB as a whiny ass momma’s boy in that fight. Stop being such a sissy. You knew what the hell he was going to try. He might as well just said heres my arm.
Math dictates the only real numbers are zero and one, then there the multiples of one, point is one tap 100 taps, same number
If you begin to tap then it’s a tap. Either way, had CB not “fully” tapped, in a couple of more seconds we would have “fully” tapped.
CB = Cry Baby
Dude he began to tap and the ref steps in that quick so the guy doesn’t get a broken arm. That’s how it works. CB already lost anyways so I don’t feel bad for him. He has a bright future but it is what it is. With Jesse Taylor kicked off of the show, Amir beat all of the competition.
CB, quick rules update. It’s called a tap out. Not a tap, tap, tap, tap out…..I was glad to see Amir win. He doesn’t have one ounce of quit in him.
cb should accept defeat like a man, then work on his weaknesses, sub defense , he could be a very dangerous fighter at 185…
he will have a more successful career than amir if he joins the right team…
CB, you tapped homie. You thought that shit was going to break. You were scared. Next time let him break it tough guy.
You must tap MORE THAN ONCE.
All the other arguing is just opinion.