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Shaw sucks
on that note…last night, u guys hear when the commentators were sayin stuff like “this fight has potential to do for elitexc what griffin bonnar 1 did for the UFC” and then shaw came out after the shit stoppage and made sure he told us all he was a good guy and was gonna pay full win bonuses to both fighters….kinda like when Dana gave both guys contracts…..the more I think back to last night the more problems I have with it…..any thoughts???
The whole thing seemed really fishy to me. Something about how Shaw carries himself has always bothered me. Like he doesnt give a shit about the sport and only wants to cash in while he still can. I dunno, I really liked how this article put it.
http://www.justbleed.net/2008/06/elitexc-on-cbs-kimbo-slice-defeats.html
ok John, I had time to digest your comment yeaterday. For you to say you had zero expectations as far as elite on sat, in my opinion is an ignorant statement. I’ve been watching mma since 1994, and I LOVE the sport. This was the first prime time free event, and could have done wonders for first timers and the sport! Elite has put on good events in the past too! If it was “kevin’s cage fighting” I could understand no expectations, but this wasn’t a new “league.”
As far as Kimbo, you’re right, it’s not totally his fault. He’s being billed as the savior and badass that he truely isn’t. On the flip side though, he’s been training for over a year. In that time, what has he learned? Not too much!!
For those of you who say I’m only a UFC fan, you’re wrong! I’ve been bashing this season of TUF, I think title are held up way too much and think Dana is as good for the sport as he is bad. Elite and WEC have at LEAST one title fight every broadcast. Once BJ is holding 2 or 3 titles, UFC won’t be able to do that, but it’s inexcusable right now not to have a title fight every month!
Lastly, this event saturday brought the sport down! I actually heard guys at work tonight saying how bad ass Kimbo is, and how great that show was! There were some exciting fights (stopped prematurely), but overall the show was bad.
I’m going to watch the wec now, I heard it was incredible, so I can’t wait!!
“I actually heard guys at work tonight saying how bad ass Kimbo is, and how great that show was!”
Kevin, that pretty much sums up how the non-mma-fan looked at the show, it was great for them. Like it or not, I think elitexc is here to stay and from the numbers they were able to pull this transitions into new fans. I only saw 3 fights in the internet, rogers’s, kimbo’s and gina’s. Although I felt the two last ones were stopped prematurely, but how many times do we debate on weather a fight was stopped early in the UFC? I liked all three fights (including kimbo’s). Granted they’re not on the UFC level, but they are growing and someday will catch up (quality wise). If dana is not careful and does absolutely nothing except bash elitexc on cbs, elitexc will one day surpass the talent in the UFC. We as veteran fans are able to see the difference between the two, but newcomers do not, and that’s the bottom point. If they pulled 4.5 million viewers I’m pretty sure they’ll just keep growing, how many viewers does UFC pull? I don’t know why so many fans are quick to just bash elitexc either, this is good for the sport regardless if you think they’re fighters are not top fighters. The sport in the end is getting the exposure it needs, this could also translate into the UFC having to deal with a network television, which would mean free UFC fights also or could also mean more fans will tune in to UFC on PPV, who knows? I say good for elitexc and good for MMA in general.
dude, I have been watching MMa for almost as long as you, and I can say I have seen WAY worse promotions then the EliteXC card this weekend..
It was not half as bad as you make it sound..
Damn, you were all over the place yesterday with your posts.lol..
I am not hating on your opinion, I actually respect your opinion as much as I would any MMa fan. I have read other posts from you, and (imo) you really seem to know alot about MMa…
I just think that if you re-read some of your posts that you have wrote(about EXC), you may think you were over eggsagerated a bit??
I know there were some bad stoppages, and i can admit, it kind of had a WWF type feeling inbetween fights, but when the fighting was going on, it was all MMa….even Kimbo’s fight.ALL MMa!.. And I love watching fights…Hell I watch pretty much every MMa promotion…None are compairable to the UFC, but MMa is MMa, and I love it….
Weather you agree with me, or not, I look forward to your other posts Kevin..I respect your opinions, and the fact that(imo) I think you have been a little hasty with your remarks. I will still look at you the same. ie. as a knowledgeable MMa fan.
If it was a UFC event I would probably agree, but this is minor league EliteXC…which most improtantly was FREE….c’mon it was FREE..stop hating.lol.
Exactly! EliteXc is Minor league mma, that occasionally puts out a REAL relevant mma fight like Le vs. Shamrock! The event was FREE damn it!
What did u expect to see out of Kimbo? a flying arm bar or something?
What did you expect from Baroni? He is a bum who is now 10-10 in mma. Villasenyor was always Ok
Did u think Scott Smith was going to show up looking like Anderson Silva or something? I mean come on! To a true fan it should be no secret that they dont have too many fighters relevant in the big scheme of MMA.
The only fighters that really could be ranked in the world of mma, signed to EliteXC are the Ceaser Gracie boys, Cung Le, Bigfoot is tough (although at times boring). They have very limited resources in top fighters….What did you really expect? Did u think it was going to be like UFC 84 or something? I just dont understand what the Haters were expecting out of this rinky dink organization!
Couldn’t agree more.
I know its a minor league company but here’s the deal, they are still required to stand at a higher standard than what they gave Saturday. You cannot write off the in between parts of the show because that literally offended me. This show was using sex and special effects to try and better sell the show. Also I heard some swearing and I think Kimbo referred to his hands and his nigas? Is that right? I do think the fights were what was expected and with the exception of the Kimbo fight they all delivered. Most people are not talking bad about the other fights except for the early stoppages but for the most part they lived up to what everyone expected them to be. What you need to defend is the poor advertising and the hi-jinx that were pulled during the inbetween time. Also there seems to be a lot of damage control going on by the hands of Gary Shaw. I felt uncomfortable everytime he came out like he was telling the fighters what to say rather than congratulate them on a job well done. He wasn’t even happy about a great fight when he paid Lawler and Smith their full bouts, more like he was just trying to make a big deal out of EXC being like the UFC. Every chance they had they mentioned the UFC though they strongly denounce their rival competitor. I just don’t understand how you can make such a mockery out of this sport by promoting it like that. The post fight press coverage was even silenced as Shaw kept pushing Grim back because he didn’t want Grim to be calling out Kimbo. IMO it seems more like EXC is looking to make a quick buck rather than care about their fighters. If your going to try and defend EXC I would ask that you kindly defend their promotion and not the fights, the fighters are responsible for putting on a good fight and not EXC. EXC may have selected the fights but they need to be held accountable for the promotion and not just the fights that were held.
MMA is still in a fragile situation at the moment.
After reporting over 27 million in losses, Elite XC had no other choice than to accept the deal with CBS and do or die with it, forget negotiations. That fact in itself in my opinion, demonstrates how the show on CBS was a requirement rather than desire, from a company that is simply incapable of holding the responsibility of portraying MMA in a positive light. Simply put, it doesn’t have the finances, talent, or experience. The responsibility of showing MMA on such an occasion should have in my opinion gone to a more capable organization. And there’s no guessing there.
PS: as for holding up the titles on the ultimate fighter shows Kevin. Yes, it is at times frustrating, but on the other hand, i have no problem seeing a champion only defend his title twice a year. Hell, in boxing it was, and is many times, a matter of years not months.
Great points made above Stagger Lee!!!!
I have seen some CRAPPY promotions put on some VERY crappy cards. PLUS, we know the names of all the guys fighting in EliteXC. When I used to order King of The Cage PPV’s, Most of the time, I only knew a handful of the fighers. THey had a “gym mat” floor in the cage. It looked softer than a marshmellow.
EliteXC is well on its way to becoming the UFC biggest competition. If WEC wasn’t owned by Zuffa, then they would be the biggest competition. Especially if they had a big money backer (like a Cuban) The casual fans don’t even know what DREAM, Affliction, or Adrenaline are. Nor do they even get HDnet. And every casual fan knows Kimbo Slice. ProbaBLY 5% of casual fans ever heard Fedor’s name. I’m not saying that the quality of Elite is better than these orgs, its just that they have waaaay more exposure!
I mean, the UFC was always on PPV. But the UFC didn’t truely take off until TUF, which just so happened to be on free TV on a channel that just about every household gets
John, EliteXC is not that minor of a league, hey! they got CBS after all..
If you were a true MMA fan you would udnerstand the sport more.. You are one of those people who watch MMA for the knockouts and the flashy hits — pure excitement, no true understanding and appreciation for the sport. Just go back to watching street fights on youtube.
MMAFan81, you simply need to read the person’s comments before you blindly agree… I’m sure you could have contributed more to this, if you were a fan.
The CBS Event was ok, but ok.. that’s it, this is without comparison to other MMA events. Now! You can see the failure in this event, because it did not look organized… You can see why the UFC did not want to finalize any deals with HBO & CBS… They would have lost considerable control over production, and most important flow and presentation of the event. I’m not going to say that the UFC is solely motivated by great profit margins are anything of that sort.. but it’s because they understand the need to produce a considerable amount of money that the quality of UFC events are good, and attract Millions of viewers at home and almost always a full house at events. I didn’t even want to mention the fighters.. that would take forever.
I dunno about Dana. I think he is just in it for the business more than the sport. Check out this article which basically accuses Yahoo Sports writer Kevin Iole of being on UFC’s payroll.
http://www.justbleed.net/2008/06/kevin-iole-dana-whites-right-hand-man.html
that bryan doesnt know what the hell he is on about. If its too violent for you there is a button on your control and when you press that is changes the channel
dana white is the man DANA FOR PRESIDENT
I second that…I don’t care how many Dana haters there are, I will always support him until he proves me wrong, and I don’t think he will anytime soon.
soo.. mma is good for tv.. as long as its UFC… classy.
So far, yeah…
that crap on saturday night was PATHETIC. i feel for the real mma guys stuck in elites stable, kimbo slice is ranked about 120th, no wait i was punching the bag yesterday and wrestled in high school he has now dropped to 121st, why a legend like ruten would continue the sharade with slice has to be all about the cash. on that note you can’t blame ruten, he left the sport before the cake got good, but come on , don’t insult my limited intelligence. on a seperate note, the WEC was a great event last nite .thats mma
ELITEXC IS FAKE & SCRIPTED!!! F*CK GARY & ALL HIS FIGHTERS OR SHOULD I SAY: BAD ACTORS.
I totally agree elite xc is disrespectful to the mixed martial arts sport it looked like i was watching saturday night raw instead of a fight.
Please write to Gary Shaw, who is the President of Elite XC and tell him how pissed you are that he ruined MMA. what a prick he is and he should be ran out of MMA. His email is garyshaw@garyshawproductions.com
im glad that was only 3 min long i was about ready to smash my moniter how dose this fucking guy no what i like see
LOL, What??
And ESPN wants MMA so badly…They’re not going to get it because of stuff like that. Burwell was really starting to anger me. I skipped ahead to hear what Dana had to say, in order to not get even more angered.
that’s the same thing I did.
Me too
Chew em up Dana. Thats the Sh*t i like seeing dana doing, nobody can defend MMA quite like dana white.
Thats what I dont like about MMA going mainstream! U have all these reporters that dont know ANYTHING trashing the sport. U should have heard the retarded conversations on sports radio in Philly yesterday about mma.
Keep it on pay per view and SPIKE, and tell ESPN to F off, at least until they get some reporters who have a clue!
Nobody said as long as its UFC, they said what happened on CBS was terrible. It was and almost no casual fan of MMA disagrees. This is terrible that MMA is taking three steps back to the days McCain tried to end MMA.
i think it took 2 steps forward.
I agree, it took 2 steps forward…unfortunatly it took 4 backwards!
The newspaper dude is not that well educated about sports and is falling in to a knee jerk reaction to MMA.
I think that what Dana was saying was that the show lacked refinement and class. The WEC show that I’m watching right now has a much better production value. Also, Frank Mir is the dude as a commentator.
frank mir is a great fighter, but he’s an idiot commentator. he still has not figured out how to say “guillotine”. you don’t pronounce the “LL”’s! and he said “gots”?! what is that, ebonics?
Dude he knows the moves, I don’t care if he knows how to say the word. Get over yourself how about you properly put a gulliotine in tough guy?
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I agree with what your saying Freddy, everything about the presentation and fights, was unpolished and Getto at times… but there was some bright moments… Carano VS Katlin,, the actual fight, and personalities was good for womans MMA. Former UFC veterans, Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler put on a great show… I was riveted, even though they weren’t the best the sport has to offer, it was a great matchup, they were in great shape, and performed & acted like veterans of MMA.
-Fuckin’ Rogers entrance was stupid.
-Baraoni need to blow his own head off! I’m so glad Villasenor won, he seemed like a good representative for MMA
-Kimbo’s fight looked like 2 kids that didn’t know how to wrestle were rolling around on the ground… I was so glad when they stood backup!
If Elite XC is continuing with CBS, I hope they have the sense to sign Tito Ortiz to fight Kimbo Ortiz still has some marque value and is a much better fighter than Kimbo. On the next card get, Shamrock, Cung Lee (primetime may not be ready for Diaz yet lol) Carano, Smith, Lawler, Villasenor, Yves Edwards and anyone else that’s a veteran that wilil add quality to this event
Oh’ yeah… get Bas Rutten or Frank Triggs or someone good for some color commentating!
And fuckin’ better production!!!
They don’t have to be the best that the world can offer…..I just want some professionalism. EliteXC = WWE.
If they have Kimbo fight Rogers, they will be in big trouble. Rogers would win that fight and have -100 fans after watching that terrible “grim” dance. The only thing that may save them is if they sign Tito and have him fight Frank Shamrock at 205, or fight (and beat) Kimbo at HW. I’ve said before that I don’t think Tito would agree to fight as a HW, but after watching Kimbo’s fight with Thompson, Tito probably would agree to fight Kimbo for $250K for the fight and $250K for the win.
I think it really just stood still.
These days, what is really the difference between network and cable tv on a saturday night?
In this day and age, who doesn’t have cable? Who just has the 5 basic channels, using rabbit ears to get reception? Nobody. The fact that it was on CBS rather then Spike on a saturday night doesn’t mean anything.
The audience for last nights EliteXC show is the same audience that watches UFC on Spike and WEC on versus.
What we saw last night is no different then anything that hasn’t been seen before. Yeah, dudes ear was jacked. It happens. All it was, was a PPV on CBS. No big deal.
The naysayers would have something to say no matter what happened.
Agreed.
Everyone has cable.
TUF exploded on SPIKE TV. Hell, other than the occasional NBA or NFL game on ABC,NBC,CBS, or FOX – I rarely watch broadcast TV. And for the average demographic of MMA fans, I’m sure I’m not alone.
I agree. Come Feb 2009 when rabbit ears don’t even work anymore, there will be zero difference between network tv and cable. The difference now is so small it’s negligible. But I don’t think that they will let MMA on network tv anymore. And I don’t think they should, because obviously they are going to censure it by stopping fights when they shouldn’t. Network tv would hinder the quality and character of the sport, and I for one say I couldn’t care less if it never airs on CBS again. I like Spike and Versus just fine.
The fact is that even though virtually everyone has cable and can receive Spike just as easily as CBS, the networks still have a much larger audience. There were probably millions of people who have never seen a MMA event that were exposed to it for the first time through that scripted garbage on Sat. night. At least WWE doesn’t even try to pretend that its oucomes aren’t pre-determined.
Sorry, forgot to add the numbers I quoted there were from UFC 75
Anyone know the numbers for those free shows from the UK on Spike?
Was it 4mil like this show claims to have?
According to MMAPayout.com
The 2.5 million males 18-49 who watched the show is a Spike TV record.
http://www.mmapayout.com/2007/09/ufc-75-ratings-breakdown.html
So, looks like CBS gets more viewers. That relies on the CBS numbers not being fudged.
Thats the thing EliteXC doesnt do which Dana White does IN EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW: Dana White defends these athletes. For all the Dana White haters out there, he and the UFC brass have gone in great strides to get the respectability back to what most ppl thought was human cockfighting.
Rules, weight classes, state sanctions were all pushed by Dana White and the UFC. And EliteXC didn’t do one thing in their broadcast to give credit to the hours of training, the discipline, the styles, the dedication to athleticism that MMA artists put in. All I remember hearing from the commentators was blood fest this, and street thug that, and internet sensation blah…
Which leads to an ignorant columnist trying to say that football’s isn’t a violent sport? Idiot.
Frank said a lot about how MMA is seeped in tradition, training and respect.
Dana White sucks big cow balls!
Why would u say that about the guy when he’s trying to defend the sport we love?
Dana white is a douche sometimes but you got to love how he defends the sport on television all the time.. i have seen him defend these idiots on Fox, Espn, Cnn…he really loves this sport i think!
As far as the Elite XC event i think he was talking about how rigged the event was in his mind.
No, no, no, your name’s Tapout33, not Dana White. Stop getting confused. Dana White’s the guy defending the sport on ESPN from idiots like Bryan Burwell who think it’s the equivalent of Bloodsport and want it off TV.
HA!! Remind this fool what his name is!! Dana White is the man.
I hope you die. Why are you even on this site, bashing a guy who has dedicated the last 8 years of his life making MMA to what it is today.
Tapout33, this post just shows how smart you are, I believe its bulls that have balls, not the cows.
Ha ha, yep they do!
Tell em Dana, tell em !
QFT.
QFT?
“quoted for truth”
Except that “quoted for truth” doesn’t make any sense in this context.
I’d like for that guy to say what he feels is good to watch on TV or what shows he watches 100% says he watches no TV at all or watches the weather network this guy is one of those guys who complains about itchy and scratchy on the simpsons being to violent. Let us decide whats we wanna watch on TV not some old geezer.
HAHA I KNEW THIS WAS COMING FOR SURE LOL.
you would think dana would take a day off or something lol.
The WEC card just made the EliteXC card look even more pathetic. Torres, Pulver, and Faber made EliteXC look really bad in comparison. It’s a shame that so many people tuned in to see minor league MMA “fixed” last night. Personally, I would be shocked if CBS has another one even if the ratings were good incomparison to the other lame shows on that time spot. Could you imagine the positive impact that tonight’s last two fights would of had on the casual fan? Elite XC still well on its way to bankruptcy.
exactly, that wec show was off the chain.
Agree completely, WEC show was amazing.
lol rules and weight classes were not pushed by Dana White and the UFC, that is the ‘Zuffa myth.’ if tyou remember last night Nick Lembo was explaining what happened with one of the fights and he has refuted the statement that Dana White and the UFC ‘pushed’ for all those things
“Many other rules and regulations were in place in the UFC itself even before New Jersey or California’s involvement, including weight classes (added in 1997), multiple judges scoring a fight if it goes the distance (1995), doctors at ringside (1993), medical exams of fighters (1993), time limits (1995), gloves (1995), multiple timed rounds (1999), the banning of groin strikes (1994), and the ability of the referee to stop the fight (1994).
The notion that the previous owners of the UFC ran from regulation is factually incorrect. In fact, the previous owners tried to get sanctioned in as many states as possible, and they did so in New Jersey, Louisiana, Iowa, and Mississippi. Also, the previous owners of the UFC formally sought sanctioning in the state of Nevada not long before selling the company, and they were unsuccessful in their efforts to get sanctioned in Nevada.”
They missed by one vote… which happened to be Lorenzo Fertita’s vote. Afterwards, the Fertitas bought the company and got sanctioned in Nevada.
Zuffa is given the rise of the UFC from the ashes with Tuf, I think Dana once said himself that the UFC had these rules implemented in before they came into possession of the sport, they just helped make it bigger.
Muscle Dolphin, I couldn’t agree more. The WEC card should have aired on CBS. The class and skill exhibited by all the WEC fighters, especially in the title bouts, put this product head and shoulders above the spectacle that was EliteXC.
CBS is the parent company of Showtime which owns EliteXC. They were promoting their own product which is trying to compete againt Zuffa owned UFC and WEC!
Dana can’t stay on topic when he wants to attack others.
He didn’t like any of those fights last night?
Yeah…
Im sorry that elitexc was disappointing and all.BUT THEYRE RATING WAS OFF THE CHART,AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE,I CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
BUT URJIAH AND JEN BLEW THE ROOF OFF THE JOINT TONIGHT THOUGH
That’s what is so sad, so many people had to witness that horrible act. lol
As much as everyone has a problem with Dana’s big mouth, he does stand up for the sport in general more than anyone else, unlike Gary Shaw, who’s a dumbass rat-bastard boxing promoter that took to MMA because it’s a potential cash cow.
burwell is right about football though. MMA will never be as big as football or soccer. those of you who hvae read my previous posts know i practice mma, i am very knowledgable and love the sport. Im sorry, but if i had front row tickets to couture vs. fedor with an undercarad of Rua vs. Lidell or the opportunity to sit in just decent seats at the super bowl.. IM AT THE DAMN SUPER BOWL..hell, im even at the damn world cup. MMA just has a tough uphill road to climb and whole i thought the card was, eh, decent.. it doesn’t help when women doctors are being too cautious and stopping fights and when a fight is stopped and the announcer of the show is SCREAMING “horrible stoppage, Horrendous Stoppage”. it made the whole sport look bad. I think elite did enough to warrant a second show, and lets pray they get a real headliner rather than kimbo. I still think they should have postponed shamrock-le to be the headline of this show.
I don’t think UFC is in direct competition with any of the Big 4 sports. Dana merely made an argument that football and every other combat sports isn’t any more safe than MMA. Dana’s right in the fact that MMA can and eventually will have a regular cable distribution.
Burwell is an idiot to think that the public will not accept mainstream MMA on cable TV. Its already here for a few years and the popularity is growing.
I’d take tickets to the Superbowl, BUT NOT THE WORLD CUP!!!!!!
First of all, MMA brings in better ratings than any of the big 4 sports, other than the world series or super bowl. Even the shitty MMA like elite xc killed the stanley cup finals. Secondly, I would take tickets to a good UFC event any day of the week over the super bowl or world cup! Lastly, you think soccer is bigger than mma? You must be on drugs man, soccer in this country is in last place, no one gives a shit about soccer at all. There is a million times more interest in mma than soccer in this country.
KIMBO SLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!….has the cardio of my fat history teacher
I know how Kimbo could improve his “cardio” by 300% in two minutes . . . Trim that nose hair man!!! Did you see how the camera was focused on it for about 1 minute before the fight started?? Seriously, that’s like trying to breathe through a couple of clogged air filters!!!! LOL!!!
i’m sorry but javster, you obviously need some vagina, so lets help you out, okay?
i love how elitexc tries to pick up scrap fighters who get dropped by ufc.
Obviously I am on Dana’s side. MMA belongs on TV, but I think there is a big difference between Professional, top-tier fighters, and relative amateurs. Obviously, EliteXC gets what fighters they can. And although they may not be considered “amateur” fighters, they are. Of course, they have some professionals, like Frank Shamrock for instance. But their new pet is a street fighter: he is training, allegedly, but he hasn’t shown me anything new since his MMA debut in terms of skill growth. He has the same style and doesn’t seem to want to evolve his style. To me, that is the sign of an AMATEUR fighter. Kimbo is an amateur.
Normally I don’t think that would be such a bad thing for an MMA promotion, though. You have to start somewhere and you can’t expect your entire roster to be top-level. But MMA is being put forth into the national spotlight, and I don’t trust EliteXC to give the world a proper presentation of the sport. Last night was proof of that, for reasons I don’t need to list. I don’t like some of Dana’s business tactics, but I think he is a much better businessman than Gary Shaw. That said, I wish it was Dana presenting this sport to the public, because I actually think he would do a good job. Not turn it into some kind of spectacle, which I’m starting to view EliteXC as (Not to be confused with promotions they affiliate with; I am a big fan of Strikeforce).
i disagree- they have or could have a lot of “professional” fighters… just look at the smith-lawler fight that was really awesome.
they’ve made the conscious choice though for their poster boy to be a streetfighting thug without a well-rounded game… that’s just terrible for the sport. this guy isn’t a top 50 heavyweight and he’s getting more press than fedor- people turn on their tv and they say wow look how brutal and ugly this sport is.
MANIA post this
http://www.youtube.com/v/Dyj4u076iD0
Awesome video… I couldn’t agree with it more… he clearly tapped to the choke, and I counted 10-15 un defended elbows to the head… this organization is a joke… Like I”ve said before, the only real competition to the UFC will be DREAM (hopefully)
Great post
Great Video man. I wonder how much Gary Shaw paid that ref?
That is awesome! lol Made my morning.
THANK YOU!! Great post
this video is the ultimate arguement on why elite xc and gary shaw is b.s.
off topic but here is proof elite xc kimbo fight was fixed http://www.youtube.com/v/Dyj4u076iD0
Damn, when i click the link i get a blank page, what ae the key words at you tube to search under??
thanks for the video, missed the show, i had to go to a family thing…
anyways looks really fishy…
Its not the point where MMA is ‘good’ or ‘bad’ for TV… its what direction its presented in.
Last night you saw the EliteXC show on CBS. Skank ass chicks dancing around to ‘hype’ the crowd up. Mad shit talking, with Baroni walking out to chicks stripping him. Then Kimbo getting mauled by one sloppy ass fighter. To what degree? Was that MMA? Was that what any UFC, Pride or any other hardcore MMA fan would want to see? That was garbage and fluff.
Compare the EliteXC fight to the WEC fight tonight. Lots of respect between the main card fighters. Lots and LOTS of talent, quite a bit of action. That Torres v. Maede fight was without a doubt one of the best MMA fights ever… Against lies in the post fight, over hyped main event, and waaaay too much focus on things like T&A.
Thats why the UFC will continue to be successful, when a lot of MMA organizations will fold. Even though it goes off alot – the UFC is not about Dana’s mouth, or the character/marketablity or Tito, or Chuck, or Randy. Its about the fights and the fighters. The UFC built a brand off the talent they present, now HOW they present their talent.
It all boils down to passionate fighters with passionate fights. Without guys like Shamrock, Lawler, Le, Scott Smith, Diaz, Edwards, Noons… might be a few others, Elite XC would be licking windows right now. The presentation that we saw lastnight on national TV was atleast 10 years off base with the MMA the world should be watching. Infact, move forward 24 hrs on versus and you saw what MMA is, and will continue to be.
This is how I like to see Dana. The other guy clearly agreed with Dana’s view on the NFL being a more violent sport saying that Americans wouldn’t accept that.
i felt like i was watching wcw monday nitro, with the commentary being done from the celebrity death match commentaters.
but the worst thing of all is this is Shaw’s next big sham, i am talking about the “grim” comments about the kimbo fight. do you really think Shaw would let a fighter he owns talk bad about kimbo in the press? and definatly not after that kinda questionable fight. This is a good way for him to handle it, either way Shaw wins.
kimbo fights the guy & loses, he can shift his momentum else where and let that be his way of slowing him on the radar and hyping others (unless kimbo can still be cash cow for him.) other option, kimbo wins and shaw continues as is…
either way people will watch,
-G
never thought id say it, but im proud of Dana White. He kept the EliteXC bashing to a minimum and rightly defended MMA’s place as a legitimate, non-barbaric sport in todays society. give em hell, Dana.
Im so pissed at Elite XC that i will never watch another show again.I know that sounds childish, but they could have almost destroyed everything the UFC & Pride has done for MMA. Yeah im clearly pissed off, but more disappointed than anything else. I was actually rooting for them to put on a great show, something memorable on the scale of Griffin v.s Bonnar I and with decent production and commentating. What i got was exactly what everyone is saying today Horrendous. This was MMA big chance to really blow the top off the roof and f*ck the ratings that doesent mean sh*t for a new show or event. Hopefully Faber v.s Pulver brougth back some class and respect back to MMA, the last 2 fights were ones for the history books.
Gary Shaw is bad for MMA. The sooner the UFC crushes elite xc, the better.
Except for the girls it was some lousy fights. I don’t understand what Dana is all worked up over. The popped ear? The early stoppage? If that was a boxing match the ref would have let Kimbo beat that dude retarded. If Kimbo didn’t die of a heart attack.
You can tell, except for Frank Shamrock, that the announcers were given the job the night before, and it showed with their knowledge. They were trained to ride Kimbo’s nuts and worship him. WEC was way better. I just got back from ARco, very impressed with the setup..I’d pay $125 per seat again!!!!
You were there, im in Natomas, amazing fights huh!!!
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Do comments with curses not get posted?
most of the time they do not
Thats good to know. It does not tell you why your post isn’t showing up. No more bad word for me.
Geez I wish half the posts on here weren’t dumbass comments like “I hate _____” and “I hope you die” and “I knew it, you suck etc.” If I didn’t know better MMA fans are mostly just backward 10th graders.
Anyhoo, I think that Dana should just admit that MMA is a violent sport. It’s THE most violent sport. Two dudes trying to beat each other unconscious or to make him beg for mercy or have his limbs snapped. There’s no sport more violent than that.
The fact is, America LOVES violence. Football is violent. Hockey is violent. Basketball is violent. They’re all varying degrees of violence and MMA is relevant now because the people crave violence more direct violence. We have a lot of relative peace in our country, so we get our violence on TV. Just like Rome did with the gladiators. If politicians don’t like it, they shouldn’t blame the sport, they should blame the people that make it possible/relevant (it’s viewers).
Geez I wish half the posts on here weren’t belligerent comments like “I hate _____” and “I hope you die” and “I knew it, you suck etc.” If I didn’t know better MMA fans are mostly just backward 10th graders.
Anyhoo, I think that Dana should just admit that MMA is a violent sport. It’s THE most violent sport. Two dudes trying to beat each other unconscious or to make him beg for mercy or have his limbs snapped. There’s no sport more violent than that.
The fact is, America LOVES violence. Football is violent. Hockey is violent. Basketball is violent. They’re all varying degrees of violence and MMA is relevant now because the people crave violence more direct violence. We have a lot of relative peace in our country, so we get our violence on TV. Just like Rome did with the gladiators. If politicians don’t like it, they shouldn’t blame the sport, they should blame the people that make it possible/relevant (it’s viewers).
UFC IS THE ONLY SHOW WORTH WATCHING!!! OCCASIONLY THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SHOW BUT 95 PER CENT OF THE TIME I ONLY WANT TO SEE UFC.
American football? if there so tough why do they wear armour like there going into war? heard of rugby!
Who hits harder? The guy with the 5oz glove or the guy without?
The small gloves are more to protect the hand than the face it’s punching. But yeah, there’s still the slight difference.
My point is that someone wearing helmets and pads is like someone wearing gloves. You are going to hit much harder because of the padding.
Dana wins these arguements cause the position isnt willing to realy do any research on MMA and just see a fight or two or a highlight reel and get steem rolled by his wordsmithing. For instance: “No serious injurys in 15 years of the sport, can badmittin say that?” Reply should be “No one named Tim Sylvia had there armd snapped in two at the forearm during a badmittin match” But since the opposition would never look back through 7 years of MMA dvds and hundeds of fights to find these injurys Dana will always come out looking a little better/wiser then his opposers on the subject, and he should if they arent going to do the proper research and then decide to speak on something they have no real feelings about. Another: The infamous “kamora accident” BRUTAL! Go to BJPENN.COM to check that out or youtube probably has it. Now thats not UFC but Dana says in the history of the “sport” not of the UFC so it counts. To me just being KO’d is pretty serious LoL and its a must at least once for an MMA event to be considered a hit (no pun intended) These guys just want to jump on the “popular things to hate bandwagon” for some tv time and publicity, at the end of the day they realy dont care if MMA succeeds or fails, no biggie to them. First it was Catcher in the Rye, then rap music, now MMA. What happened to all of these things at the hight of opposition . . . The hight of their popularity! If Bill O’Riely cant get the best of Dana on this subject with his rude and ranting manner while being beat in an arguement than no one will, Danas had too much practice with this arguement, it might as well be scripted to him.
Dana wins these arguements cause the oposition isnt willing to really do any research on MMA and they just see a fight or two or a highlight reel and get steem rolled by Danas wordsmithing. For instance: “No serious injurys in 15 years of the sport, can badmittin say that?” Reply should be “No one named Tim Sylvia had there armd snapped in two at the forearm during a badmittin match” But since the opposition would never look back through 7 years of MMA dvds and hundeds of fights to find these injurys Dana will always come out looking a little better/wiser then his opposers on the subject, and he should if they arent going to do the proper research and then decide to speak on something they have no real feelings about. Another: The infamous “kamora accident” BRUTAL! Go to BJPENN.COM to check that out or youtube probably has it. Now thats not UFC but Dana says in the history of the “sport” not of the UFC so it counts. To me just being KO’d is pretty serious LoL and its a must at least once for an MMA event to be considered a hit (no pun intended) These guys just want to jump on the “popular things to hate bandwagon” for some tv time and publicity, at the end of the day they realy dont care if MMA succeeds or fails, no biggie to them. First it was Catcher in the Rye, then rap music, now MMA. What happened to all of these things at the hight of opposition . . . The hight of their popularity! If Bill O’Riely cant get the best of Dana on this subject with his rude and ranting manner while being beat in an arguement than no one will, Danas had too much practice with this arguement, it might as well be scripted to him. (First post had some spelling errors)
I assume that Dana means ‘No Serious Injury’ as ‘Nothing life threatening’.
The Kimura accident is unbelievable. The guy put his hands to his face immediately after snapping the guys arm lol. Would hate to be the guy with the snapped arm though.
Me 2 Auto, me 2. (About being the snappy instead of the snapper)
yeah i have to agree with mma being violent. i think the ufc has done a really good job tho of making it safe for the fighters/athletes.
in the past few years i’ve done 3 sports kick boxing, running, and snowboarding. first off, snowboarding is way worse then mma, injuries are just apart of snowboarding. And between running and kick boxing i received a broken leg, shine splints, tendinitis, and minor knee problems….all those injuries are from running, and i haven’t received any from kick boxing. it’s only one aspect of the sport, but i’m just trying to prove the point that yeah, mma is violent, but it’s not some barbaric sport that people should be trying to get off tv. like where are these people from freakin love land, they always show war footage on tv.
yeah adam, your right. it’s like ok we’re done hating on this lets move onto the next thing. do these guys ever go anywhere with their rants, lol no. they’ll just give up after sometime and move onto the next thing.
it just sucks that elitexc put out that crap, because yeah all the haters are gonna come out. but more importantly the people that have heard of mma but have never seen it or the people that have only seen a couple events. watch this and their like “wow, this is like watching wwe” and never watch it again. it kills off our fans and it slows the growth of mma.
What is funny maybe there has been some injouries in MMA that you can nit pick about. Maybe there have been some crazy looking things in MMA. When it comes down to it though look at the main stream sports. The average football players career is 3 3 1/2 seasons accordding to the nflpa. Baseball players avg. 5.6 years and that total was without pitchers because that would have probably lowered that avg in half. Boxing averages about 6 deaths a month since 1990(in the 90’s decade there were 78 deaths) in the 2000, mind you this report based in 2007 there were 68 so far and we still have 2008 and 2009 to add to the numbers(http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_a_0700.htm). That is just in the US not including other big boxing countries like the UK, Australia, and MExico.
So The last 15 years of MMA have been pretty flawless when looking at it overall. If you lok at the begining of boxing and football the number of deaths were enormous. I do realize MMA had its start in modern times but what makes boxing so dangerous is that standing 8 count. Your avg. person can get there wits in 8 seconds. In boxing you get your wits back to get them scrambled again. In MMA the flash KO save the brain because you do not get the opportunity to get multiple jarring blows to the head…This was just a basic idea not a complete study. But it amazes me how blind people are to athletics and the dangers involved with everyday sporting.
Everyone has a lot to say about Gary Shaw. Too bad he can’t read or hear what we are saying about him……ACTUALLY HE CAN! If you email him about it like I DID! garyshaw@garyshawproductions.com Tell that fat punk to leave MMA before he ruines it!
They should have let the fight continue. I think Kimbo could have knocked won via knockout if they kept it going. Either that or James would have gotten a stoppage or something because Kimbo had barely any cardio. If he wouldn’t have gotten the knockout there then, he probably would have lost. I officially hate that ref. Glad thompson slapped him. Kimbo is an idiot for smoking. What professional athlete does that?
I think Shaw made enough money off of the good sport of MMA, he should sell and leave it alone now.
Dana white says badmitten???!!!!!!..LOL what an idiot sorry but football and mma is two different sports just goes to show that a real idiot is running the ufc, dana go dack to being an aerobics instructer…..lol cant get over it what a stupid ass he is!
You are right MMA and American football are two different sports. That was Dana’s point. Two sports both violent. One has more serious injuries than the other over the last 15 year period.
funny how all the Dana haters become his nuthuggers after horrible elitexc fight..just sayin
They just hate Gary Shaw more.
I was under the impression Dana White was EliteXC’s No. 1 advocate…Interesting
The fights were … ok. The production quality needs to go up and I don’t like that some parts of the show seemed very WWE to me. Also, the talent pool in EliteXC is way below UFC. As a matter of fact, I’ve been to local shows where the talent is better than what I saw on CBS. The best fight of the night between Lawler and Smith was sloppy of both fighters. It was an ok show for free but definitely not one worth paying for.
Bryan Burwell do you NOT know your history on human civilization? These types of sports have been around since the first cities were ever built tens of thousands of years ago. People watch violence. MMA is incredibly more respectable and civilized as you have 2 trained professionals who respect an art form. These are the best athletes in the world, the best in jiujitsu, kickboxing, valetudo, boxing, etc.. This isn’t mindless combat it is specialized combat amongst technitians.
Bryan Burwell, get a clue on what type of world you are living in. Everyday the news depicts bombs exploding, soldiers shooting, people DYING OR GETTING KILLED. On PUBLIC news stations.
I am now a MMA convert. I have always been a boxing fan and what I say on CBS was exciting. I though the girls that fought did an excellent job. This thing is much larget than UFC or EliteXC. It is about bringing MMA to the masses. Not everyone can afford Pay-perview. Kimbo might not be the best in the heavyweight division, however one punch can knock out any UFC heavweight. I have seen great past MMA fighter get knocked out by guys that would not last 20 second with Kimbo.
Alright MMA fans, this is what you’ve been so hopeful for…
Above this is a post from an MMA “convert” after Elite XC’s Saturday night card. I keep reading the post, and thinking “why do I really care if this guy now likes MMA and likes Kimbo Slice?” I don’t, actually.
In fact, I don’t let this entire argument of televised MMA or Elite XC’s legitimacy concern me at all, because anyone can clearly see that MORE fans of MMA does not necessarily mean good things. It just means more poorly educated “fans” who will attribute our sport to whatever they’re shown. In this case, it was Kimbo Slice. Here’s where everyone seems to argue that if only MMA put on fights with highly-skilled and technical fighters, maybe then the idiot masses would respect our sport….
But guys, and I say this with respect, there are an awful lot of you who post on our forum religiously who love to knock on highly technical fighters such as Lyoto Machida for being “boring”, “slow”, or “dull to watch”. And you guys claim to be the authorities on our sport. Do you honestly believe that someone who’s never seen MMA before Saturday night could really appreciate a fighter like that? No way, I think noob fans (who didn’t care at all about MMA until Saturday night) actually NEED talentless fighters like Kimbo Slice in order to get interested. And then this is what you get.
Had Saturday’s fights been filled with highly technical fighters who work intelligently in the cage, my bet is NO ONE would have watched more than an hour of it, with the exception of fans of the sport who were already familiar with it. You’re average viewer would have probably thought it was “boring”. On the other hand, television sets probably stayed tuned to CBS because people wanted to see a talentless, unskilled brawler pound some brit with a little pinata of blood attached to the side of his head.
It was lose/lose for true MMA fans, and I think people should stop caring so much about getting our sport on primetime television where it will RARELY be understood, HARDLY be appreciated, and NEVER get the respect it deserves.
Alright, I popped a blood vessel. I better stop.
I’m with you SkeletonKey 99%.
The other 1 % is the Machida comment.
I think that most people, including me, thought he was boring because he used his exception technical skills to avoid being hit or taken down only, very very little offense.
I’ve stuck to my guns with Kimbo, never liked how he got where he is and never will. Some of the ‘True’ mma fans have warmed to Kimbo’s representation, I just don’t get that.
My problem isnt with Kimbo per se, more with how EliteXC are marketing him.
Lose all the street fighting BS from his introductions/nickname etc. If he wants to be an MMA fighter let him be an MMA fighter, just dont drag MMA into the leagues of street fighting.
Kimbo couldn’t knock a guy put that got knocked out in 6 of his last 8 matches. Thompson got knocked out by freaking Butterbean. Kimbo is not even in the top 50 heavyweights. He’s too old and is a one trick pony. He has now been exposed as the scrub that he is.
Like Dana said BJ Penn would whup Kimbo’s arse.
YEAHHH
Dana White can also spell…
Dana put the uneducated moron in his place…you know its as simple as this..your TV has something called a “Channel” button…if you don’t like or approve of something on that channel then CHANGE IT! I bet money that the idiot St Louis newspaper jerk-off is a McCain supporter… I get so sick of this “violence on TV causing people to hurt other people” crap…the most violent thing in America on TV right now is the damn News so why don’t we protest that too?
1. Something that always seems to be ignored in these arguments, is how the fighters have such respect for each other. One of the many reasons I let my two young sons watch the UFC with me, is the fact that all the trash talk is usually just that. Even when they seem to really hate each other, they alost always grow to respect each other after a true battle. I don’t mean to sound like a hippie, but I think it’s a point worth making in the context of this discussion.
2. I look forward to another organization truly compteting with the UFC. That will only make for better MMA at the end of the day. With that said, I would much rather Dana be making that argument than Gary Shaw. I just don’t believe that Shaw has any true love for the sport. I’m sure many will disagree with me, but I do believe Dana is a true fan of the sport.
yeah, i have more respect for dana now, that shaw dude is a deusch bag. kimbo didnt win his fight, thompson was set up and everybody knows it.