… at the Target Center in Minneapolis, Minn., on August 9 that we reported last week was recently made official by the way:
Let’s just hope that the “Texas Crazy Horse” trains some groundwork for this one — he’s going to need it.
May 30th, 2008
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IMO a better match-up than Coleman, should be entertaining.
Shogun Answers Back at Sokoudjou:
Rua responded to Sokodjou’s recent comments via GracieMAG:
“They can match me up against anyone and I’ll be happy. It is Dana White and the guys at the UFC who decide who I fight with. I’m not going to give this guy any attention, because I have fought better fighters than him. He wanted to fight me and I never said yes or no – they just didn’t make it happen and he ended up fighting Ricardo Arona at Pride’s last event. I never heard anything about Chute Boxe telling him he’d have to fight Evangelista Cyborg before me, like he said. I’ll fight him like I have always fought all top competitors.
Put the match together Joe…why not it’ll be a good fight…there’s so many good match up possibilities in this division…it’s nuts
That’s a fight I wouldn’t mind seeing, though I would much rather see Shogun and Liddell fight, and maybe Soko whoops Rashad’s overrated ass. lol
Soko does not deserve a fight with Shogun yet. These should be the next match ups booked:
Shogun vs. Liddell
Thiago Silva vs. Machida
Soko vs. Rashad
Goren the croation vs. Jardine
Wanderlei vs. Hendo at 205 (if wandy wins he gets next shot at Rampage)
Gouveai vs. James Irvin
I agree. I give the UFC credit for not giving Brock tomato cans.
First, let me start by saying ,I am a HUGE Brock fan.He IS the tuffest guy in the UFC!!! Very talented!!Could be HW champ in 2 yrs. or less. He could fight big names every 3 months.He can dominate any HW and win in less than a min. O.K., maybe not Randy, but he can hang! Give him credit, he is fighting tough guys. I think he will win this one and many more.
Dude, I cant even count all the things that are just wrong about that statement. Randy is one guy that Brock would destroy in less than a minute. He already showed that he couldnt beat Mir and Nog would run right through him. This isnt amateur wrestling and it isnt pro wrestling.
FACT! unlike kimbo!
Brock isn’t a Kongo, you better train your ass off Heath. Everyone thought the Mir vs. Brock fight was short, wait to see what Brock does to Heath - G&P.
Stoppage due to hammer fist to the dome.
Yeah this is a way better matchup and will mean a lot more to the Lesnar hype machine if he wins.
Herring wins this and Lesnar would be considered one of the lower class fighters in the UFC
lower class with elite pay
First, let me start by saying ,I am a HUGE Brock fan.He IS the tuffest guy in the UFC!!! Very talented!!Could be HW champ in 2 yrs. or less. He could fight big names every 3 months.He can dominate any HW and win in less than a min. O.K., maybe not Randy, but he can hang! Give him credit, he is fighting tough guys. I think he will win this one and many more. go BROCK!!!
Just the once please.
I can’t believe I actually like Herring more than somebody else. I don’t give a shit about either fighter, but I have no tollerance for, and have no respect for Lesnar. I have no feelings for the winner of this fight.
Obviously the winner of this fight means something to you or you wouldn’t have posted your comment. Having no feelings for this fight most people would just overlook the whole thread.
People act like it is such a big crime for Lesnar to have the confidence that he has. The guy loves competition and I am not a fan of the WWE but it’s not like he is claiming to be this MMA master or anything. He is training hard just like everybody else and he wants to win just like everybody else. I don’t understand the hate. Brock lesnar is the Kimbo Slice of the UFC, the only difference is that Brock has fought a legitimate HW. Hate him or love him, he is a amateur HW with a more vicious ground and pound than most ten year veterans.
How do you think Herring wins this?
As much as I like Brock - and I do - Herring has too much experience against the best the heavyweight division has to offer. Brock is still growing as a fighter, and will one day be great. Herring looks to have turned a corner in his career (as evidenced in his fight agaisnt Congo) and will take this hard fought battle.
I agree with you to a point. Herring has experience, but it’s losing to the best in the heavyweight division. I’m just thinking after a few big shots he’ll be looking for a way out.
He only beat Kongo because Kongo was dumb enough to fight him on the ground. Cheick is way too inexperienced on the ground to be considered a top fighter.
this is alot tougher fight than colman and i could see lesnar losing it.he should be able to over power herring and just gnp to victory since herring is not a bjj guy but herring is tough and alot more experienced and i want to see if lesnar can take one of his punches.
this will actually do something for his career except pad it this will actually earn him real respect in the world of mma ,although herring will not be able to handle his wrestling i expect a very quick 1st round stoppage ,brock too strong for herring
Blah blah blah…. Lesnar is screwed! He is better off being padded. I wonder what the excuses will be this time. .
Herring has JJ skills and can stand and bang with the best and he has weathered some viscious GnP so I think Lesnar is the underdog. Yeah tough draw for Brock.
What were his excuses last time? Just curious because i didn’t hear any.
yeah he was pretty calssy last time. I don’t recall him having any excuses. I kinda like Brock. Hope he does well.
i’m with u on that , he was pretty classy, last time.
just looking forward to good fight.
I’m referring to fan posts not Brock himself.
Me three. What were Brock’s excuses. Hell, he wanted the Mir fight.
My feelings for Brock changed completly after that fight, he was very respectfull and seemed like a good guy.
Herring has one of the worst guards of anyone in MMA with his experience.
Herring also has horrible takedown defense. Freaking Kongo took down Herring at will, and Kongo is a striker.
Brock wins this fight easily
Brock only fought once in the UFC and it’s too early to say he’s no good, it takes 3-5 bout to see true potential out of any new fighters whether they good or not.
Brock never had any excuses when he lost to Frank Mir, in fact he admited that Mir got the best of him and credited him, Brock is a class act. Not to mention that Lesnar acknowledged where he went wrong. Its going to be Brock Lesnar will melt the Heath Bar.
herring definitley will be a tougher fight for brock than coleman. herring has looked muched improved since his loss to irish”fag” obrien and is in almost everyone’s top 10 at hw. this fight will be make or break for lesnar unless its areal close decision and i dont see this fight going the distance. a loss for herrring could set him back quite a bit as well.win both fighters need to win to stay or become a contender, it usually makes for an interesting outcome. herring is good on the ground, but not nearly as good as mir. imo herring must keep this fight standing and brock has to get it to the ground cuz herring has good stiking w/ his fist and his legs.
BW: I love your assesment! Good stuff.
1st I want to start off by saying, after purchasing the UFC 81 DVD this week and watching Brock vs. Mir, I am really starting to feel that Brock got cheated by Mazzagati. I am in no way shape or form some Big Brock fan, but I got to keep it real the stoppage and deduction of a point that Mazzagatti slapped Brock with was Pathetic! I am one of the most outspoken people on this site about my displeasure for ref’s not consistantly calling illegal strikes to the back of the head fairly….Mir was luckily saved BY Mazzagatti. Brock only really hit him in the back of the head once, and Mir crawled into it. Mazzagatti was screaming to Brock about watching the back of the head prior to that blow, but at that point Brock wasn’t even hitting him in the back of the head so the Warning was unjust to begin with. In NO way should Mir have been given time to recover and Brock been deducted a point and I really think Brock would have won that fight, if Mazzagatti would have done his job correctly.
As for Hearing vs. Brock, its going to be a WAR. Brock proves he can throw a hard punch by dropping Mir, with what I believe was a straight right, which led to the submission. Hearing can take a punch….I have seen Fedor Literally BLAST hearing a bunch of times with some extremely powerfull pin point strikes in the ground n pound, and Hearing took a few Big ones, before that fight was stopped. Hearing also took big shots from Cro Cop in the stand up, his chin held up, but Ultimately lost due to a liver Kick…..Basically what I am saying his Hearing is tough as Nails, and an experienced warrior, who happens to be training the RIGHT way for the 1st time in his life…I couldnt even recognize him when he fought kongo…
Both Guys r going to come to bang, and this fight is too far away to start making predictions. Brock can win this fight, but Hearing is very dangerous standing with his kicks and knees, and Hearing has much better ju jitsu then Brock… Its going to be a WAR!!
10 times better fight then what Coleman vs. Brock would have been!
back at you. real good stuff!
Jardine wasn’t given time to recover win wandy hit him in the back of the head, but Jardine was going down reguardless. I agree with everything you’re saying about Mazzagatti. He makes bad decisions a lot and it is really something the UFC should look into .
Heath is tough. He has been beaten by the best of them. Nobody should count either one of them out. But unless Brock kisses him while they are recieving their instructions………. I have to lean a little more towards Brock.
Psyqo78: which fight was it when Hearing cracked the Japanease dude who hit him when he kissed Heath during the stare down….I cant remember what fight thaht was..
Help! Anyone?
It was during K-1’s Dynamite 2005 show…you can watch it at daily motion here:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh2ol_heath-herrings-new-years-eve-kiss_fun
Thanks Buster Bluth, by the way good to see you back on here, I always enjoy your posts.
Yoshihiro Nakao here is the link to video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loVqGHxFwmE
That was one of the funniest things ever!!!!
The funny part is that MMAMania is missing the bottom portion of this. I swear I just got this in an email and right below these guys it says plus GSP vs Fitch. It was sent from the UFC so I don’t think they would send that if it wasn’t true.
Dude that was made official so long ago: GSP vs. Fitch.
i didnt want to say anything, so thanks mania. i mean coments like this have to drive you crazy!
Lol my fault Mania, wasn’t trying to knock you guys I thought the GSP Fitch fight was a seperate card and I just thought it looked kind of weird like this is the main event. In the email I got it also looked like the main event because like it says, Plus GSP and Fitch
They might use Lesnar to promote it since he’s MN guy, but Fitch is from the Midwest and Canada’s only a few miles North.
Herring has been in WARS against some top fighters, including Minotauro 3 times. Lesnar better bring a more diverse game plan this time.
I do question, however, what a win against Lesnar does for Herring’s record. I mean, I know Heath’s record lately has been up and down, but still, we’re talking about a guy that’s 28-13-7 against a guy that’s 1-1 in Pro MMA. Is giving Lesnar his second loss in a row — which would be an utter proof that he is no real opposition, if that happens — going to increase Herring in the rankings in any way?
brock wins via referree stoppage due to brain splatter on the mat
Brain leakage maybe…
I think Brock will get a first round TKO. Brock will be all over him just like with Mir, but I don’t see Herring pulling off any clutch leg locks. I think that Brock will just take him down, smother him and start feeding the hammer fists.
exactly he was destroying mir before the ref stepped in and took a point and mir’s jj skills is worlds ahead of herring why was he scared of getting on the ground with norgera and he said that he made a mistake he gave not one single excuse stop putting words in fighters mouths
I’d love for Herring to beat Lesnar, but is everybody forgetting what Jake O’Brien did to Herring? Herring did absolutely nothing from his back for 15 minutes and he couldn’t stop the takedown for the life of him. Lesnar has much more established wrestling than O’Brien and has shown great G’n'P. I think it’s going to be either a very long night or a very short night for Herring, but either way I don’t see his hand being raised at the end.
it’s impossible to do 3 months of takedown defence and think you’ll be able to stop Brock shooting on you and not let him take you down. If i was Herring’s coach i’d be concentrating on BJJ and fighting off his back because i’m about 99% sure thats whats gonna happen.
When this was first a rumor, I wrongly said that the UFC would never have Herring fight Brock for that very reason. I was at the fight that Jake O’Brien wrestled Heath to the ground over and over again. Heath’s main escapes were when the ref stood them back up because neither was staying busy enough. That’s not going to happen again. Brock is going to easily take him down, but he’s going to stay very busy with turbo diesel hammer fists raining down on Herring’s head. I don’t see how Herring stands a chance unless he’s improved more than I think he has fighting on his back. This is going to be a very expensive fight for the UFC, and I think it’s going to make Heath look really bad.
i want to see brock use those huge elbows of his instead of relying on the hammer fist.
you can’t discredit his credentials he is a great wrestler and he is a beast who hits very hard you shouldn’t hate him because he use to be in wwe odviously we have had great wrestlers in mma should i start the list starting with the one of the greatest fighters ever randy couture
Herring is gonna be slammed to the ground and stopped in 3 minutes.
i couldn’t imagine how much damage he could inflict with elbows john mccain would probably get his way in outlawing mma
I have to go with Herring after I met him at UFC 83…he’s a big dude!
In a fight with Brock lesnar involved you say that the opponent is big?!
I think Frank Mir still freaks out at night imaging to having to fight brock again..
That’s what I’m saying…Brock must be HUGE if Hearring is as big as he looked when I met him. I still think the experience and decent chin of Herring will slow Brock down and be more technical.
A decent chin will slow Brock down?? Ya right!!
Go stand next to Lesnar. He came in to the Mir fight at 265. Meaning he, most likely cut some weight. The guy is a beast.
Brock is biggggeeeerrrrr. MUCH BIGGGGGGGEEEEERRRR!!
Brock is a beast!!! I cant wait for this card.
not nearly as big as the freak named brock how big is his hands again they had special order gloves for him cause they never had a heavyweight with that big of hands think i beleive they were 4x try getting hit with that
i believe you are right about the 4XL gloves. crazy.
You know what they say about guys with big hands right?
Yeah that they need to use bigger gloves, lol.
that they have a bigger temper cause they are goofy looking.
you haven’t met brock not saying i have but if your picking him on size then you need to check the stats
them crazy 4x hands smashing crazy horses face
even mir said he couldn’t beleive how enormous brock was when they were in the octagon together and he fought tim and some other big guys
Mir also said that everytime he got hit by one of those hammer fist he saw flashes of white light.
Herring is not an impressive fighter.
VERY overrated heavyweight.
But, they could give Lesnar a title shot for this.
It’s not like Nog earned one.
Nog didn’t need to earn a title shot in the UFC. His record spoke for itself just fine. Dana is not going to put Lesnar in a title fight for a win over Heath. The champ will be either Nog or Mir. There is no way Lesnar is fighting Mir again (so soon), and he is not ready for Nog’s BJJ.
Herring is not impressive? explain that
no way hes overrated. he imo knocked out the champ
Nog earned his by his fights in pride against better fighters
i also dont think ufc will give brock a title shot this quick but then again ufc HW division is not impressive so maybe your right on that.
everybody almost beats nog most of his fights go the same thats one of the things he is known for getting whipped then catch his opponent in something classic jj
Nog didn’t earn one? He didn’t have to…he deserved it by being one of the two or three greatest HW’s in the world over the past 5+ years. That said, Lesnar should not get a title shot if he wins this.
agreed
no babying going on for Brock,another big name fight for his 3rd MMA bout. a win over HH would be huge for him. i’m not saying that HH is one of the GOAT, but he has a lot of fights under his belt against some of the top Hwts in the world. it still shouldn’t be enough for a title shot.if he wins this fight i would like to see him try fight another BJJ practioner like Napau GG or a striker like the Manic Hispanic.
Is this his 3rd? I thought he had only fought Mir.
he fought some can over in japan before he signed with the UFC.
i hope they don’t give Brock a title shot for quite a while, he should have at least 6 fights under his belt before they even consider it.
LAWL another loss for Lesnar poor guy they wont give him a break jeez how is he supposed to ever become something in mma if they put him against people who are huge favorites to win. After this win hopefully he gets Werdum assuming Werdum beats Vera which im pretty sure he will. Problem is after that wtf is the ufc going to do….No way they are going to fight Big Nog & Heath again.
you boys even remember the jake o brien fight? imagine jake by 2 and you have brock! lesnar by gnp
This is going to be like Doomsday fighting Lois Lane.
Lesnar by first minute TKO.
Easy win for Heath Brock shouldnt have Signed to the UFC bad choice man…. His Career is going for the worst start it can go. Hopefully they the UFC gives him cake fight like that one mexican dude fuck if i remember his name but Crocop knocked his ass senseless.
Eddie Sanchez
First, let me start by saying ,I am a HUGE Brock fan.He IS the tuffest guy in the UFC!!! Very talented!!Could be HW champ in 2 yrs. or less. He could fight big names every 3 months.He can dominate any HW and win in less than a min. O.K., maybe not Randy, but he can hang! Give him credit, he is fighting tough guys. I think he will win this one and many more.
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I like Herring’s chances in this one, actually.
Brock wins by disgusting Herring who will not be able to fight with Lesnar’s penis tattoo staring in his face.
i bet you wouldn’t say that to Brock’s face lol
Herring wins, then they can not deny him a title shot, unless Fabricio Werdum completly mauls, in all means MAULS Brandon Vera in a quick 10 second fight.
I think if Frank Mir wins against Nog, then a Herring/Mir match right now would be a much more marketable match rather than Herring/Nog IV, even though people are still saying “what if Herring pounced on Nog.” I think a Mir/Nog fight would be awesome right now.
Or maybe, Frank Mir wins, and Brock Lesnar wins, and Fabricio Werdum loses, then you have to think, is there anybody in that heavyweight division that has a big name to go against Frank Mir that has a winning streak? DO you go with Brandon Vera or you could go with Brock Lesnar. Both would be rematches. Mir vs. Vera II and Lesnar vs. Mir II, both would be big money fights.
Thats how right now I am seeing this fight. if Fabricio Werdum loses (and I hope he does) then the next title shot will go to either Vera, Herring or Lesnar because there is literally nobody else you can give a title shot to that will be able to bring in the money like one of those 3 fighters.
True that but i would much rather see Vera vs Nog! Plus i dont think Mir can beat Nog to tell the truth.
idk i would like to see nog herring IV. all of there fights together have been pretty good.
mir and herring would be a good fight with mir winning by sub imo but brock will beat herring
if werdum even wins his fight and herring loses then werdum should have a title shot. werdum would have beat GG and Vera and lost to AA who imo is still a top 5 fighter thats just lost right now
but if lesner wins he shouldnt get a title shot for 2-3 more wins. ur right about theres not anyone really that can bring in money yet but hell Dana will prob bring cro cop back and he will fight Nog. that would be a mega fight CC vs Bi