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ha! it was pretty funny when it happened. lyoto was more “effective elusive” is that a term?
Well it seem’s like old Stagger-Lee isn’t the only one stumbling around at 420..
No he certainly is not the only on
for those who didn’t get my joke??
420 was the time left on the clock, when Yves started to fall..
That may have been the most exciting part of that fight.
close, knee to the liver was #1 and then the almost triangle. i liked the fight personaly. lyoto might “bore” his way to the title. i dont think he’s boring at all.
I probably should have rephrased that. The knee to the liver was great, but Yves falling down had me laughing for a while.
me too!
People dont give Machida enough credit. I thought he was tagging Tito up. THe liver shot was a classic (Bas rutten was impressed for sure). How come no one wants to talk about how impressive Machida’s new found takedown defense was, shrugging Tito off every time Tito tried to Clinch….Machida is a bad man, to hate on his skills is silly. For all you Machida haters, maybe you should just go watch a TANK Abott Brawl… hey, Kimbo is fighting thiis weekend so that will quench your KO thirst. What about those low Kick/High kick combo’s….I was very impressed…Great fight!
Machida is no Joke, and he is the absolute worst match up for anyone in the division. Just ask Liddell’s camp! lol
Sure Machida is technical and elusive, and I kinda’ like him and find his style interesting but not exciting. Exciting would be Penn vs Sherk. That was a technical standup fight with exciting exchanges and not a Tank Abbot brawl. Machida is not a stand in pocket type of fighter… ‘I get it’
What I would like to see is Machida getting beat, with a round to go, would Machida risk standing in the pocket then? be the constant aggressor?.. or stick to his elusive style and pick a few choice shots every 30 seconds and lose the fight?
I know Machida is probably the best upcoming contender in the 205 lb weight class there is, but I’m on the fence as to whether I really want to watch him continue to fight like that and get decisions over guys he could KO… smart?.. sure… exciting?… no. I want to see Machida challenged/tested and see if he’s willing to risk getting KO’d to pull out a win.
Definitely to best part of the snooze-fest.
So let me guess, your idea of a mixed martial arts fight is what exactly, Two guys running blindly at each other and swinging wildly Like Don Frye and Takayama? While it may entertaining, it is certainly not high level MMA at it’s finest.
Machida does not run like Kalib Starnes. He Sticks and moves. He attacks then avoids attacks. He tried switch kicks and even took Tito down, so I don’t see where the boring part happened.
I think if fans are just looking for no skill brawls, then they should go to youtube or something and just search the word fight and they’ll be plenty of scraps that should intrest them, although they won’t be high level MMA fights.
If you ask me, the problem wasn’t Machida’s style, it was Tito’s answer for it. He would just jumped in with a hook and throw a bomb here a bomb there. He didn’t set his strikes up well and when pressed against the fence instead of going all out for the take down and swinging for the fences then, he held Machida in a body lock.
Now I don’t want to here about boring unless you are talking about the most boring fight in UFC History
Ken Shamrock vs. Dan Severn. 17 minutes of circling each other. Now that was a boring fight.
He was smart, he took tito down with 10 seconds left in the round to solidify the round. He wanted no part of Tito on the ground! Switch kicks…you now have me laughing so hard I almost fell out my chair. Those are flashy skilled moves, yes, with absolutely zero damage to opponent. The knee was perfectly timed, and then 15 seconds later, he almost got submitted! Yes he’s undefeated, and yes he may decision his way to a title shot, but I am anything but unknowing about mma, and I find him boring!! True champions: Randy, Chuck, Bj, Silva, Nog and even Timmy, are always attacking. Yes his elusiveness is strategy, but if you throw 5 punches in 5 rounds while circling and being “elusive,” you my friend are boring!!
Rofl, no one till take you serious with a novel of a reply to a 1 sentance statement.
I took him seriously…well put, a bunch of these “TUF noobs” as many of you say are not in it for the skill of MMA. They just want to see people get KOd.
Not true.
Literate people will appreciate your post.
Nice job, Getrawbc.
Technically speaking, Lyoto Machida is probably in the top 3 guys in the UFC (I’d include GSP and Silva in there). All I can say is the last 2 minutes of that fight were probably the most exciting moments of the PPV. I was screaming at the screen like crazy during the knee to the triangle to the arm bar.
All that comes to mind is WOW. Machida top 3 in UFC. Let me see if I can name a few better than Machida
BJ
GSP
Anderson Silva
Rampage
Nog
Vera
Hughes
Wanderlai
Hendo
should I keep going? you goatboy should change your name to trollboy!!
I agree, that was an amazing fight and I can’t wait to see him fight again. Unless it’s against Rampage, then I’ll most likely have a sad night lol.
I thought this fight was a bit boring but that doesn’t mean I’m denying Machida’s skill. He’s obviously an A level fighter with the skills to take on anyone in the division. It’s just funny how when some people fight like that, they get complaints. Andrei arlvoski and tim sylvia are two. I could see if he was sticking and moving a lot, but there were often fairly long time gaps between shots. He has the skill and the power knock a lot of guys out without taking much damage but he doesn’t engage enough. I don’t expect him to go swinging wildly but a little more action would be nice. There’s a reason you hear guys say things like “I’m going to push the pace” in pre fight interviews. You wouldn’t get excited if someone said “I’m going to spend most of the time backing up and I’ll frustrate my opponent to the point of insanity by landing a few shots. I may also score a takedown.”
Tito should really work on his jiu jitsu more because that triangle could have been all she wrote for Machida.
Where is Ortiz……08Baby!!!!!!!!? He’s been pretty quiet lately, LOL. He needs to change his name to Machida……08Baby!!!!!!!
I don’t know Kevin. While I don’t doubt your mma knowledge, because I’ve read some great post by you, I still didn’t find that fight boring. Yeah, they both could have pressed the action more, but by boring standards, I didn’t see it that way. As far as the switch kicks, I threw it in there to show that Machida was at least tryingto make it exciting.
Machida is no top 3 fighter, but yes he shows a great deal of technical skills. The only problem is that stick and move does not work against an aggressive opponent. This is what seperates champions from contenders, when he gets up to Rampage, Griffen, Iceman, Wandi they will be constantly moving constantly attacking. This will put more pressure on Lyoto and make his true colors come out. The guy has got a lot of skill the beat Franklin and if you watch that fight you can see that Lyoto purposely does not make mistakes. He gets poking at you to make you make a mistake, its smart but truthfully leads to slow fights that can go to decision. It also means his endurance has not be adequetly tested and may be a problem in the future, probably not but its possible.
Keven, this statement could not be more correct:
He was smart, he took tito down with 10 seconds left in the round to solidify the round. He wanted no part of Tito on the ground! Switch kicks…you now have me laughing so hard I almost fell out my chair. Those are flashy skilled moves, yes, with absolutely zero damage to opponent. The knee was perfectly timed, and then 15 seconds later, he almost got submitted! Yes he’s undefeated, and yes he may decision his way to a title shot, but I am anything but unknowing about mma, and I find him boring!! True champions: Randy, Chuck, Bj, Silva, Nog and even Timmy, are always attacking. Yes his elusiveness is strategy, but if you throw 5 punches in 5 rounds while circling and being “elusive,” you my friend are boring!!
I’m with you on this 100% same feelings
He was DUI I bet, pounding shots right before the fight, haha
lol. I almost forgot about that..
Yves!!! yess! it look like dude was doing skittles transition to flare / backspin from boredom. way to put on a show wit the elusiveness!! HAHAHAHAH!!
that was awesome
Would have liked to have seen him do the worm as well.
My favorite part of the fight!
BORING>>>>>>>
lyoto reminded me alot of kalib (gump) starnes that night! he would never engage with anything it was always stick and move! he should have manned up and faced tito! just wish that triangle would have been there a few seconds longer so yves(paid off by dana)lavigne could have called it !
I would have to think it was hard to keep the triangle after taking that brutal shot to the body.
you got a tinfoil suit to go with the hat you are wearing?
Gotta love the conspiracy theorist.
You’d probably have wished Machida to “man up” like Jardine did… LOL…
Yup, cause Starnes threw more strikes than Quarry, cut him near the eye, bruised his leg with kicks, took him down, grounded and pounded him, and floored him a knee to the liver, not to mention successfully evading a triangle-armbar transition. How boring. And if Yves had really been paid off by Dana, he would have stopped the fight as soon as Lyoto took Tito down and started mashing his face up. Not engaging Tito? Evading, and not engaging are two entirely different things. If Machida had not engaged Tito, he would never have been able to get in more offense than his opponent, control the pace of the fight, and do more visible damage…yet he did. The person who needed to man up was Tito, who was the one just standing there most of the time, not really doing anything at all, throwing his hands down in frustration. The most offense out of Ortiz were his takedown attempts, not a one of them which was successful, a short flurry of strikes, and a failed submission attempt. I’m no huge Machida fan, but he’s getting a lot of undue hate, which seems to be centered mostly around how he made Ortiz look pretty bad in that fight.
Very well said, Jase. You got all the facts straight, spelled it exactly how it is.
Machida was clearly superior than Tito in all aspects, yet all the Tito-mistresses are blinded by their unconditional passion for their man… Either that, or they’re still too drunk to understand exactly what went down that night…
damn jase, you said it like it is, way better than my attempt to state the facts anyways. Good stuff!
Agreed. And I am actually a Tito fan but facts are facts.
all i have to ask is if tito took the same game plan as machida what kind of fight would that be it would be 2 guys standing against opposite sides of the cage, machida didnt press the action once he was backing up the whole time!!
If Tito had taken the same approach as Machida he might have won the fight lol. But honestly then they both would have been trading more, Tito would have been standing in the pocket doing a stick and move to Machida where Machida would do his own elude and attack meaning that it would cause Tito to try the counter again. You get my drift, Tito was like a deer in headlights at least try to stand and trade if you can’t get a takedown. Honestly if a fight is boring it should not be taken out on the winner, the person won because they were more effective than the loser. Hence the loser wasn’t pushing the pace hard enough.
Yes! I really don’t see how any intelligent person can say that was a boring fight. I don’t even see how a moron could compaire him to Starnes, that’s just a straight up insult and is completely wrong. Tito’s face really looked like Machida didn’t engage all night, didn’t it? lol
I am a very big Tito fan BUT Machida showed the fans how one dimensional Tito has been for awhile.
Machida employs a “boxing style” that uses elusiveness and counter striking. It is beautiful to watch (I am a fan of the sweet science). And that is true MMA, IMO.
Tito should add to his skill set and re-invent himself if he truly has the desire. Only time will tell.
well said OJR, couldn’t have said it better myself.
Thanks. I call ‘em as I see ‘em.
Its unfortunate Lyoto did not KO or Submit Tito, however Tito is not a bad fighter at all. He should have given Rashad Evans his first loss but was unable to get the decision. Lyoto is not the Chris Lebens or Anderson Silvas of the UFC but his fighting technique sure has posted much discussion. Some love it, some hate it but however you look at it he does damage and never takes it. Sad, but true…
I agree with the second part, but I don’t think Tito should have given Rashad his first loss. By holding the fence he prevented two takedowns.
you could also say that he is a kid that does everything he can to not fight so Yves fell asleep.. a super effective Kalib Starnes running man, Tito would dominate Lyoto if Lyoto fought him and he even had him when he was on his back.. Tito had better clinch game better boxing, more power.. and you say Tito is one dimensional. if Tito fights like he does when he gets angry and believes in his standup more, just goes at it, he would be great and with a coach that gives him good advices too..
Your post is as one dimensional as Tito’s game.
lol…Tito would dominate him if Lyoto fought him? Lyoto did fight Tito…just beat him this past Saturday in case you missed it…and Ortiz was nowhere near dominating him. Couldn’t take Machida down, couldn’t get in more strikes, couldn’t do more damage…and yet he had more power and better boxing? Sure, okay, lol…hey, there’s this bridge in Brooklyn I’m selling if you’re interested…
Sure, machida didn’t try to fight… he landed dozens of kicks to the thigh and body of jacob, slammed him to the ground, grounded and pounded him, landed a beautiful knee that had jacob in SHOCK and fell straight to the canvas! the only thing jacob did in that fight was a last minute desperation for a triangle which he did not keep and changed it into an armbar, which machida was able to get out of (because he is also a black belt in BJJ, that’s what it means to be well rounded). So, because you may be blinded because you might be a jacob fan, machida did everything right in that fight, you just can’t see it because you’re a fan o jacob, but don’t say machida was running because he did much more damage in that fight than jacob.
Pure BS Rob…
The funny part is all of these Tito Huggers post like Tito was fighting. They are scared to get into it when they post some stupid little thing. Tito says I’m the bigger badder stronger more talented doode here and I’ll win this fight hands down. Yeah ok buddy, just like you dominated Rashad a primarily ground guy. Get over it, Tito is a gone and you guys can’t do anything but give a halfassed attempt to make Machida look like the lesser fighter here.
I am trying to figure out who is worse to watch than Lyoto and the only name that comes even close is John Fitch.
Tim Sylvia
Jake O’Blanket.
Rashad Sugar LnP Evans. 15 minutes of anything is more pleasurable.
Yup, agreed! Rashard Evans. We folks here in Manila hate how pundits overrate the guy! Come on man, Rashard?!?…Just wait for mah man Thiago Silva, after he disposes of Rashard. Next in line will be the top dogs of the division…I just hope the UFC will give him a tough opponent, So Thiago could prove himself once and for all and be on top of the food chain. If he still continues to improve on his stand-up game[even if he has knockout power], this man will be a threat to the LHW div. ‘coz his ground game is killer!!!…How about Thiago Silva vs Forrest Griffin? that would be a tough match to watch…!!
The crowd cheered louder at this moment than at any other time in the fight.
lol, so freaken true
I hate to say this you guys that think that a fight is only a fight when two guys run headfirst into each other guns blazing are a bunch of noobs. Let me guess, you’ve never sparred or fought before. If you do, I’d like you to employ your own strategy and give me a call when you wake up in the hospital.
Oh yes, if you say that you don’t like Machida’s style then you must hate Chuck’s because Chuck fights like Machida. In fact, Chuck is even slower and more boring because Chuck never goes to the ground and he rarely does any kicks.
Ok, I’m not beating this dead horse again.
Chucks style may be similar but at least he never runs away from an exchange. chcuk will go toe-to-toe with anyone and never goes away. He is always on you. Machida refuses to exchange and when he finds himself in an exchange he runs away from it. And i hate Chuck.
Fighting is not about “exchanging”, n00b, it’s about offense and defense. Go watch tennis for your good dose of “exchange”.
So fighting is not about exchanging? I saw very little offence from Lyoto and a whole lot of defence. If you enjoy watching a guy go to decision 5 out of 6 fights like he has than be my guest. Myself, i like watching people get bloody and put on a show. The only part of that fight that was a show was Tito’s triangle attempt. If Lyotos style was so wonderful why was he booed so much at the end of the fight. Must have been a crowd of noobs huh?
Is Tim Sylvia an exciting fighter? Is Sherk an exciting fighter? Is Fitch an exciting fighter. Let me guess, they are all elusive. If you aren’t willing to exchange and just run out of danger you don’t belong in the UFC. Lyoto as champ would be about as exciting as Sylvia being champ again.
Machida was booed because he does not have any of the charisma that Tito has.
Besides, most of the crowd in that arena are a bunch of Hollywood posers and big $$$ bandwagon jumpers.
If you want to watch people get bloody and put on a show then check out some back alley brawl.
MMA means that you will get some “boring” technicians.
It is what it is…
I don’t think that Wandy vs. chuck was a “back alley brawl.” Neither was shogun vs Griffin or Couture vs Sylvia. Those were fights. Machida won the best 30-27 game of tag ever.
Preach on SpiderStyle!!!
False comparison to Sylvia/Fitch/Sherk/Starnes, which by the way I don’t see anyone making, except Machida-haters.
Machida’s style is incomparable to Tim’s as far as aesthetic value (style) and training.
You didn’t see any offense? You must have been drunk before the first round ended, when Machida had slammed him on the ground and was pounding his face in. Did you know that he delivered at least three times more shots than Tito? Did you know he landed an even higher ratio?
Yes, people were booing him because most in the audience are n00bs. Does that surprise you?
The WWE has plenty of bloody shows for you, if that’s what you’re looking for…
Gosh, nothing you’re saying makes any sense. I’ll just drop it here.
So you are saying that machida wasn’t avoiding exchanges? Was he also not back pedalling the whole fight? And you are referring to the takedown that was 10 sec’s before the round ended? Machida would be the most boring champ ever. BJ was throwing shots the whole fight and so was Sherk but they both were willing to go for the win and not the decision.
“If you enjoy watching a guy go to decision 5 out of 6 fights like he has than be my guest. Myself, i like watching people get bloody and put on a show” – You said it right here, its all about what you enjoy. So get over it, Machida has great technique which you don’t see all that often in the MMA world anymore. I personally don’t want to see him go away because he brings a completely different style to the fight aspect. Next point is that your completely focusing on the wrong fighter. It takes two to tango and seeing as how Tito is the “bigger badder guy” he should have been pressing the pace more. Machida was the only one in that fight to even hook up a series of strikes where as Tito half assed it. The guys fights may not be fast paced or aggressive enough for you but maybe every once in a while you can appreciate the aspect of the fight game instead of just the blood that comes from the fighters.
ARodOfIron: All the people booed Machida because at this level in the game he needs to put on a show. Thousand’s of people at the show and millions watching, can’t all be noobs. Only the nut lovers say he’s (elusive) instead of seeing it for what it is, BORING and borderline (starnes)
JV:
You are deluded, son. Just admit that you are a hater because your argument does not present any facts.
JV I’m sorry but that is exactly it. The whole crowd is full of noobs my friend. Not in the aspect that they are new to MMA or anything like that. Due to the fact that they like a sport they know nothing about. They don’t know Karate, Tae Kwon Do, BJJ, Muay Thai… I can go all day here but they don’t know any of it. They know boxing and they know wrestling. This is why they all boo, cause in boxing you should be hitting the guy in the face every chance you get and in wrestling if your not moving nothing is getting done. You feel me? I didn’t think so because thats all you know as well. I’m not saying the fight wasn’t boring but I am saying if you compare him to Starnes you are a noob.
Yeah, d*mn right! Chuck goes toe-to-toe and exchanges blows while Machida just slithers in and out…But don’t get me wrong, that is indeed a wise strategy. I mean, who in the world would want to stand up before Tito Ortiz just to get beaten up?!
it was 1 of the 3 high lights of the fight. every one who says it was a great technichal fight might want to look to other forms of competition, like karate point fighting.there shouldn’t be any room for a guy who is so scared of getting hit, that he hits less than he runs.his training partner Anderson Silva is also “elusive” but he doen’t run to avoid contact.he goes in and gets close to his opponents and still is an effective counter striker. IMO lyoto the “dragon” machida is not worth paying to see,his fights usually “drag on”.
I never comment on any of these but if you watched this fight and took it for what it was then you can only say well done to Lyoto. Anyone who thinks this fight was boring knows very little about mma. Tito professed to being bigger and stronger yet got bullied in the clinch. When there was any exchanges he was second best. Give him his dues he nearly pulled of the upset with the triangle to arm bar transition but he didn’t. He should have pushed the pace and closed the ring of, all he did was come straight forward. there was virtually no set up for a take down only desperate attempts from too far away He got taught a lesson in striking and was shown to be one dimensional. Machida is a mixed martial artist, no question about it. I love to see a war but as someone who has watched this sport for awhile to loved this fight. A great technical display.
Taking about technical what about Rousimar Palhares? One of the best jits displays from a small stocky fighter.
Absolutely. That transition from RNC to armbar was sweet. Against a skilled vet, too. WOW.
People are bitching at Lyoto because they think this fight was boring, but it was Tito who made the fight boring. The first round was decent, and at the end Tito went in for the takedown (the only chance he had of winning) and Lyoto beat him in the clinch, threw him, and GnP him. After that, Tito had no way to attack. He couldn’t shoot, he could’t box, he couldn’t kickbox. His only chance after he realized he could not take Machida down was to pray for a one punch KO – which Lyoto was way to smart to let happen. He nearly got him with the triangle, but couldn’t finish. Lyoto was better than Tito at his own strength (clinch – takedown) and Tito had absolutely no answer. He didn’t even have a back up plan, like a deer in headlights, he saw something he didnt uderstand and froze.
Well put, atleast someone is pointing his finger at the right fighter here. Tito grossly undertrained for this fight, it doesn’t look like he could crack Machida’s style because he wasn’t willing to change his own style which ultimately was his own undoing.
I quite enjoyed watching Tito getting schooled for 14 mins
Did he scare you in the last minute? LOL.
He shocked me to no end…
I seem to remember atleast one other fighter slipping and falling in that same area.
Anderson Silva is elusive watch him and rich franklin when hes bobbing and weaving and BJ Penn is elusive watch him against sherk he dodged almost every punch but the big thing is they both stay and strike!! Machida ran the whole time like a fuckin bitch!!!!
Thats head bobbing, there are more than one forms of elusive, Machida used the stick and go. I suppose though that Ortiz was definetly exciting, get over yourself and go watch the WWE.
i agree 100%.
lyoto is a pu$$y, not “elusive”
Yet he jumps in the ring with the likes of Bonnar, BJ, Franklin, and Tito. Yeah dude you totally know your stuff.
I’m sure you would run and evade too if you were in the octagon…hehe!!
Best part is he gets up and laughs at himself and doesn’t take it to seriously. Good Job!
Right you have to have a sense of humor for things like that. He’s actually a really good ref too. Hasn’t made any calls I really disagreed with
….. If i read, hear or think about the word “elusive” one more time I might make my head more “elusive” to my body…
The guy fakes a punch, to get a headstart sidestepping again (all night)! LOL!! Whenever I hear the word “elusive” in reference to Machida, my mind automatically replaces it with ‘run away’ or ‘b*tch-move’ or ‘waste of time’. Good for all you mma experts that love him. I hope you get to see all his fights over and over and find sparring partners just like him… lol
I’ve watched the fight at least three times through, and am still not bored. You, on the other hand, probably haven’t watched it once while sober.
i watched twice without being under the influence and i barely made it through the second time. maybe i should have gotten drunk or something because, both times i watched that fight i was bored as hell. i agree with kama kaze about lyoto trying to get a head start on running by faking strikes.
actually i did go back to it to look for the GnP at the end of the first (which was a nice sequence), the knee, and the triangle attempt. i couldn’t figure out whether to rewind or fast forward cuz there were no benchmarks. Majority of the fight was Machida running. You don’t need to pretend to like him so that people will think you are a hardcore fan. Machida sux.
exactly i’m sick of being called noob or casual fan or worse redneck for not liking machida.the guy sucks to watch.
LOLOL who called you a redneck? thats messed up
ARodOfIron posts comments like machida. hit and run. LOL. all over this page
People like you should just stick to home made street fights
just i don’t like his machida doesn’t mean i only like street fights it just means that i hate his style. by saying he is smarter than everyone else, is like saying all the lay-n-pray artists are also smarter than their oppoenents. because a LnP figher is also using a game plan in which they don’t take any damage, while doing just enough to get the dec.
Its all about respect of the art not saying Machida is the greatest. People watching these fights know all the key techniques like an armbar and rear naked and the double or single leg take downs ect ect ect. Well what they don’t know is the individual styles that invented these moves, the way karate is about technique and not just raw power, the art my friends. I don’t contend that he is exciting to watch but I do say you can learn alot from his style. Look at how afraid Tito was to really engage, thats a powerful skill. Man just respect the art, and stop comparing him to starnes
Preach on, Smokes.
Yves Lavigne was the highlight of this fight.
Every fight with Machida is so awfully boring.
Rogan said that Machida was intelligent when backpedaling so I guess that Starnes was intelligent aswell…
Damn I hate intelligent fighters.
Good thing cause otherwise you’d be an intelligent blogger.
That was great. I saw more action out of Yves Lavigne then Machida!
Why is it that whenever someone says a fight is boring, a bunch of people come running to say “you’re not a real mma fan, you just want people to brawl and go crazy!” or something of the sort. Sean Sherk wrestles to a boring 5 round decision and someone will still come to his defense. I don’t like Matt Hughes but he’s shown that he can finish a fight when he takes it to the ground. Same with GSP. He will maul you if he gets to mount. Anderson Silva does a good job not getting hit ( vs Rich Franklin 2 when had awesome head movement!) but he also will engage and seriously beat you down. Once again, Machida is extremely skilled and well rounded, but his style does nothing to excite me.
Now that’s a fair comment. Good deal.
Agreed man, I don’t like most of the comments against Machida on here but that was well put.
For everyone who says Lyoto did nothing that fight…….Tito did way less and thats why he lost
Heh, this Lyoto Machida argument is really going nowhere.
People say they thought he ran, and thought it was boring and the rest say they don’t appreciate real MMA and they should watch kimbo.
Repeat adnauseam.
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Machida has mad skills, true. But ultimately he is point scoring and protecting his undefeated record.
Even that take down at the end of the second (while impressive) was a super cautious move and basically more point scoring, he waited til the final moments and took Tito down, so that if something happened he’d be saved by the bell. It turned out that Tito had to be saved by it. It’s frustrating to see someone with that much apparent talent so unwilling to take any chances.
I think UFC sees this ongoing debate on basically every site and will give him someone who is able to track him down and force engagement.
Shiaz I see what your saying but then again Machida also was denying Ortiz’s strength. He didn’t go to the ground because Ortiz has never had a good stand up fight. Ortiz also doesn’t engage well when standing making it harder for his takedowns to work. Its amazing Ortiz got as far as he did with his style but from this point on anyone can beat him because as long as they keep the fight off the ground they stand a pretty good chance of taking a win. I agree that he was doing some point scoring but Ortiz should have pushed the pace more since he was losing, I think Machida was kind of waiting for a flair to come from Ortiz and it really never came until it went to the ground and then Ortiz effed it up. I also agree that the UFC see’s all this speculation and will try to give Machida a more aggressive fighter. Possibly Wandi, I think would be the next fight. I think the other options would be Chuck or Rua but they might be fighting one another when the injuries are gone.
people who think machida is exciting are kidding themselves. But the guy is very talented to say the least. And we’re not asking for a TKO every time from machida, we’re just saying that match was about as much fun as the calib starnes vs quarry. One thing machida doesnt really do is exchange, he is a one-shot striker, usually one punch or kick and then backing off as quick as possible. And I knew at the end of the first round that machida was going for a decision win, why else would he attempt a take down with 10seconds left in the round? Going for decisions is weak, i think everyone thinks that going to decision isn’t what an mma match is about, especially with all the bad decisions that have come from the judges table in the past. I’m not saying that going to decision is bad either, but I think we all prefer to watch fights where the fighters are trying to end the match before a decision. All in all machida is only good because he knows how to stay away from people while occasionally throwing a effective strike, and he tries to do it at a pace where he’s getting in more strikes than his opponent, without ever really trying to end the fight. To me that is not a true champ. And to say he’ll take over the LHW division is a pretty pre-mature thing to say. he’s only really fought one B-level fighter (tito), and 2 C-level fighters in nakamura and sokodju. I think he needs to fight someone like liddell, silva, jardine, rampage, etc before he is considered a good LHW. But the potential is there. But i think any of those top tier LHW will KO machida.
yea i agree with that! excellent writeup… clarity of thought amongst the madness. you should post more often.
He’s fought Penn and Franklin (finishing Franklin), and Bonnar as well. The guy is not an exciting fighter but his style is confusing and his tatics work. He just needs a guy who is going to try and control the fight instead of run at Machida’s pace. It’d be a good test but when Franklin did that he got caught so I think that might scare some of his opponents. He won’t beat rampage however
I think Machida is very talented and has more tools in his arsenal than some of the other lhw’s. However,I do agree with some of the people who feel his style is not the most exciting to watch, elusive or not.
Penn and Franklin are impressive, but they do not even fight in the light-heavyweight division. I can’t picture Machida ever winning a fight against Chuck, Wand, or Rampage.
2 things
1. It was very much more Tito’s fault (or lack of skill) that fight was boring. Bad match up of styles by the UFC-sort of-I am sure they knew how that fight would go based on the styles and having Tito go out in dominating, not so exciting fashion is exactly what they wanted.
2. Lyoto is undefeated, with three of those wins over current or former UFC champions. What else do you guys need? His fight v Soku was absolutely perfect, and not boring. His fight v Franklin was definetely not boring, and freaking brutal. He will step up in competition from here, and most of the guys above him will provide exciting fights as they will force him to engage based on their skill level. Give him a couple more chances before we start booing him out of the UFC.
Machida is like Tim Sylvia–technical but boring. I don’t like either fighter.
If every fighter in the UFC fought like Machida, the UFC would die.
Machida was clearly looking for a decision win. He reminds me so much of Timmy.
Totally back you up on this.
Tim wasn’t as flashy, and he was awkward and said stupid things, so he was easy to hate.
Machida isn’t and does interesting things.
The result though, is they’re both overly cautious point scorers who are content without decisions.
Machida has 7 decisions in the last 9.
I have the perfect solution for the Machida enigma. I can train anyone to beat Machida in without ever throwing a punch and here’s how:
1. When the bell rings rush to Machida’s side of the octagon and keep your back to the center of the ring.
2. When Machida backs away step forward to cover the gap, but do not get close enough to hit or be hit.
3. When Machida gets closes in to strike you, back up.
4. When you get to the center of the octagon, fake a punch or some lame crescent karate kick and circle away.
5. Repeat steps 2 through 4, and 1 through 5 at the start of every new round.
At the end of the fight it will come down to who stepped forward more times and octagon control. I’m confident that anyone with any type of fake striking skills and a decent pair of track shoes can beat Machida.
awesome. lol. I kinda hope that he wins the belt so Dana can make him a coach on TUF and we don’t have to see him fight again for like 11 months.
That would be terrible. That would mean that Machida would have to fight for 25 minutes instead of 15. haha
Wow just a bunch of haters here. I do like the TUF idea though not because it’d hold the belt for a lengthy period but because you could see how Machida’s mind works. He’d be training some crazy fighters. Also here’s the deal if you rush Machida he’ll Knock you out. Franklin did it and regretted it, do you think Penn just slouched as well? I suppose though that you would know seeing as how you’ve trained in MMA for all your life. Hm I guess Soko doesn’t matter either. Tito was not aggressive enough, I’m almost certain you guys have your head up Tito’s ass. Best of luck in the WWE to Tito maybe you could be his number 1 fans?
Machida should get the next crack at the title.
LMAO!
are you crazy? and why does he deserve it, because he beat tito? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
are you serious man if that douche bag won the title every defense would end in decision do we really want that from our champion? screw this guy he’s bad for the sport he should join K1 or something since he’s all about scoring points then finishing fights hopefully someone knocks out this backpeddler soon i hope.
IF machida didnt run like kalib sterns je would have fell via a knock out by tito….if this is what the ufc is becoming then im glad that tito is leaving cause these new guys ae track stars not fighters
Stay in school, please…