“Dana White is a jack-off. Dana White is a f–ing idiot. And you can quote me on that. If he cared about MMA, he would understand that. Comments like that make you look like a jerk. B.J.’s brother works for our company. If (Dana) wasn’t an idiot, May 31 would be the UFC instead of us on CBS.”
– Elite XC Live Events President Gary Shaw responds via Sherdog.com to recent comments made by UFC President Dana White that lightweight champion BJ Penn — despite and 80 pound weight disadvantage — could defeat Kimbo Slice. This is getting good. Shaw and White have been going back and forth for the better part of the 16 months Elite XC has been around, but these are by far the closest thing to “fighting words” that have come from Shaw. Therefore, this is more than likely nowhere near over.
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Can we agree that both of these guys have an incredible ability to be jack-offs?
Shaw may be a baboon, but I am sick of Dana running his mouth about other organizations fighters. Dana, Cross promote or shut your freakin MOuth. When is dana going to realize he is the king of mma, he doesnt have to trash other organizations, he has the most supperior product and he is the only one who can mess that up. Other organizations cant gain ground on the UFC unless Dana makes mistakes, for Example: Loosing Fedor, and Tim Sylvia…If He hadnt lost those 2 fighters there would be no affliction or Adtrenaline….. If Dana takes care of his in house business, no other organization will ever catch up…If he keeps making mistakes, other organizations will capitalize…
I would like to see Kimbo wal;k up to Dana and Punch him in his mouth! What I would pay to see that!
Agreed. I’ve always thought of it as supreme insecurity to have to trash someone else to make yourself look good. Shaw has a point though, I think it probably is Dana’s fault that the UFC isn’t on another major network.
Cross promotion only benefits the smaller organization. Just by running his mouth Dana is putting a ton of money into Shaw’s grubby little hands. A UFC vs Elite show would add to that exponentially. Make no mistake, Shaw’s concern is only for his profits, not the overall good of MMA. That’s why he’s promoting the hell out his “street-fighting sensation” and, to a lesser extent, the women’s match as a novelty you don’t see anywhere else. He’s scarcely mentioned the fighters on the card who have made MMA their lives, and that should tell you all you need to know about Gary freaking Shaw.
John: even if Dana decides to cross promote, EliteXC would never do it anyway. EliteXC would look like a shit org. cause they have nobody in there divisions that could take the top dogs of the UFC. When the UFC decided to cross promote and make the Liddell/Silva fight, Pride backed out. Same thing with EliteXC, all talk to get themselves exposure. And why would Dana even try with EliteXC when its going under, theres an article on Yahoo Sports that EliteXC has lost 27mil and might not have the money to make it through this year.
PW, excellent points on cross-promotion and on Shaw not highlighting the real fighters instead of the circus acts.
ya gotta love shaw rockin the 80’s style addidas style sweatsuit.lol! shaw is a slimeball and just a recent as a couple of years ago said that mma was a fad and pretty much sucked. dana does need to shut up about kimbo though, he knows deep down he would love to have kimbo.
Elastic waistbands are his friend.
LMFAO!!!
GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY! GARY!
The last thing Dana and the UFC wants is to cross promote and help out other organizations. However, I think that soon enough, Gary is going to figure out that exact button to press to push Dana over the edge and actually do something.
It’s unfortunate that MMA is becoming like wrestling entertainment and Dana is the main reason. Remember Dana vs Tito? Did Dana get that from Vince McMann’s book?
Dana get’s so rattled about other organizations and it’s getting pathetic. I’m a UFC fan (like most) but someone’s got to close Dana’s lid. Could you imagine what type of owner Dana would be if he didn’t have the powerhouse UFC and owned Elite XC instead? He’d run it into the ground.
Maybe UFC should sign a PR division.
no he didnt. jacob had it put in his contract that they box and wouldnt sign otherwise. then he didnt show. alot of people were wondering about this (fight) and why it didnt happen, so dana made a show about it. yes it was one-sided for dana, but there were no un-truths told. jacob was bringing this up every oppotunity he could and then wussed out.
Dude your totally wrong, Dana knows what he’s doing and thats why he is with the UFC. Dana promotes all of his fighters as the next best thing. There may not be much to hype a fighter but he’ll find it. Gary Shaw creates his own hype by “fixing” Elite XC fights. PW was completely right about cross promoting. The UFC has one goal in mind at all times, to be the elite company of UFC. To say that the champions in their company are the undisputed champions of the world, not just the undisputed champions of their company. What did Dana do right you ask? He bought out PRIDE, crushed it and freed up its fighters; he created a reality show that gets realtively unknown fighters big exposure and helps to make champion fighters (the trainers) more recognized. Dana doesn’t take shit from his fighters, your not winning or making an exciting fight why do we need you here? Sure based on how much money the UFC makes they definetly could be paying the fighers more, but how much are they paying Tim and Fedor for one fight? I’m pretty sure Fedor was about one million and Tim 800 thousand. To me thats just greedy just like all other sports, these guys are getting greedy. I’ll tell ya what I’m glad Dana didn’t sign Fedor and let Tim, thats complete bull that they want that much money Period
Your right but off base…The point is dana should shut his mouth unless he is man enough to put a fight together with kimbo… Which he wont cause he cross promote with anyone! Which is dumb!
Let me put some fight together tha could happen.
Bj penn vs shinya aoki or calvacante
Any good HW vs Kimbo
Cung lee vs rampage or the current lhw champ
Thats just a couple
Let me point out here that Dana did previously try to send Chuck to face Silva in PRIDE. This being said Dana shows his smarts here. He’ll cross promote with a very competitive league. XC is not legit and Dana is being smart in not trying to give them more exposure than they need. Also its my thoughts that Dana should promote the Elite XC, get some people to compare the XC to the UFC and you will see a lack of excitement in the fights. Kill the XC by letting people see what the XC has to offer, let the XC unprove its own legitimacy.
he also brought in sakurai to the ufc(lost to matt hughes) he was also trying to bring wandi in before pride folded(remember the bid staredown), but wandi got koes twice. so dana will cross-promote if the other org is legit like pride was. also if he can make alot of money off of it.
point – set – match ……Elite XC
I am still laughing about the fact he called Dana a jack off. Apparently, to promote MMA you have to be as unproffessional as possible. Freakin hilarious though.
Shaw is correct. I’m beginning to like this guy…
He is right, that is the sad part…
shaw is pretty accurate , kimbo would crush penn, hell sherk is going to crush penn, FIRE IT UP BOYS
Lol how is Shaw right? BJ’s brother works for Elite XC, that doesn’t mean that BJ wouldn’t kill Kimbo. How many fights has Elite XC had? How many of those have been on CBS? How deep in debt is the Elite XC… answer those questions and you’ll see how right Shaw really is. What a bunch of jokes, Shaw tries to pull a play book from Dana’s lunch box and he totally screws it up like the piece of lard he is.
Shaw is the jack off he came into this business to make a quick buck and he has lost 27 million dollars. His stars are guys who couldnt hack it in the ufc or the ufc cut. The ufc cross promoting with elite xc is stupid for the ufc. elite xc cannot generate ppv buys like the ufc and they cannot rely on their brand name like the ufc. Outside of kimbo elite xc has nobody that can generate any buzz outside of the hardcore fans and they dont have many of them. I think the only guy in xc who could pose any threat to a ufc champ in jake shields and he would have to go through gsp which is nearly immpossible these days.
Dana talks all that thrash but would sign kimbo if he where available, dana should keep his mouth shout about fighters, look what happened with fedor he talked all that thrash and when he was available again he was not able to sign him probally beacuse of the direspect he should him.
settle it like men shaw vs white.
Dana would knock Shaw out.
True that. Shaw’s cardio would make Tank Abbott look like an Ironman.
LO fucking L… funniest shit I’ve heard all day
“Dana White is a jack-off. Dana White is a f–ing idiot. If he cared about MMA, he would understand that. Comments like that make you look like a jerk.”
I love how well he contradicts himself. lol Good stuff.
It’s funny, as much as I agreed with Dana, I agree with Mr. Shaw too! Dana has made the sport relevant today, at the same time has fucked up an awful lot lately. I believe his biggest mistake is not cross promoting with Shaw.
Nog/Kimbo
mir/bigfoot
BJ/noons
GSP/Lawler
I mean lets get real, there isn’t a fight the elite guys could win!
So do you think EliteXC would really want to cross promote with the UFC? EliteXC would get destroyed and loose any credability. Shaw talks like he would do it but deep down he never will.
that was my point JV…this is varsity buddy, read between the lines
I realise what your saying but I’m not sure if you do. XC is 37 mil in the hole. XC is also the closet thing to competition that the UFC has right now besides the afflicition deal with the Fedor/Sylvia fight but that is a one card to three card deal before that company goes bankrupt. XC makes their main man face cans, they would ask UFC for cans to try and prove their credibility. Dana is just going to be smart here, he’ll weather the storm and then pick up the fighters as their orgs fall to pieces. The greatest part is that he doesn’t have to pay $1,800,000 for a fight between Sylvia and Fedor.
thats my point, it would ruin elites credibility
nog would submit kimbo within 2 minutes…
mir bigfoot would be a good fight but i think mir submits him…
bj destroys noons by whatever he wants
gsp and lawler fight in two weight classes
I would like to see these guys settle it in the cage…I would pay for that!
even better….UFC vs. EliteXC????
anyone?anyone? lol
You laugh, that would show that the top fighters aren’t in the elite promotion. name I can name one guy (Nick Diaz) that could beat a UFC fighter in their respective division
nick diaz is good, very good, but couldn’t beat the champ in his “respective division” GSP. And unfortunately the ufc doesn’t make weight classes for people ala the 165 designed for diaz.
Why give EliteXC the publicity?
We have the makings for a great VH1 biography on why the UFC fell apart into oblivion and it will just follow Dana White step by step, bleeping out every other word.
I wonder why Dana feels the need to drag everyone down to his level? The only people he likes and supports are ass-kissers. Why on earth does he feel the need to say that stuff. I don’t know much about Shaw, but if he was smart he’d let Dana fester away all by himself and not contribute into an already low-life energy.
Your comments just go to show who is smart and who is not. Here we’ll take this for example “I don’t know much about Shaw, but if he was smart he’d let Dana fester away all by himself and not contribute into an already low-life energy” -what you just said here was dumb. Hence making your advice about something a smart person would do a little bit contradicting. Shaw is being smart, his company is getting tons of attention right now by his fighting with the UFC. Hell most generally new fans didn’t know who Shaw was until Dana said his name. The second is the fall of the UFC. Hmm I suppose the UFC may have competition but for it to fall? Your trying to make this into old time Rome, but Dana is kicking ass and taking names. Well I guess since he has over doubled the profits of his company and is currently the face of it as well, I’d say he’s donig a good job and being smart. Maybe its you who needs advice from Dana or Shaw
I believe shaw also said Kimbo would knock BJ Penn out with one shot.
dude first of all Penn would KILL kimbo Slice, it wouldn’t even be funny. All he’d have to do is circle him, wait for the right moment then take Slice down, grab his back and sink in the RNC and it’s OVAAAA!
Now does anyone know if the 84 weigh-in will be televised on ESPNews? I need to know!!
wow are you serious? i hate the fact that everyone hates on kimbo and how eliteXC is dumb for putting him in the main event. Everyone who sits here and reads all these Kimbo threads you know on may 31 your ass will be in that seat watching him. So everyone who is hating on kimbo its just something to do to occupy your time. But when it comes down to it, you know your going to watch him…he has that affect and that is why eliteXC pushes him. people want to see him..so just stop hatin’
duh…yeah im going to watch but wait…..its the only thing on on a Sat.
People are going to watch because it is free TV. There is nothing but time invested to see it. No reasonable person would spend their money to watch Kimbo Slice fight who he fights for EXC. Maybe someday if they put him in a real match-up, but they haven’t done it ‘cuz he is their freak-show meal ticket.
One could say it isn’t Kimbo at fault but the organization and the way they promote him. But if he were real, he would be begging for REAL fights. Stop the hatin’? The hate train will continue to roll.
the funny thing is now everyone is going to be watching BJ this weekend now that Dana ran off with his mouth. Imagine if BJ loses to Sherk? Does that mean that Dana will now be saying that Sherk will beat Kimbo?? lol come on….that being said, I really hope BJ can win because I like him and so I won’t have to hear what Shaw will have to say if BJ loses
Even if BJ loses to Sherk how does that change that he can beat Kimbo? Also Sherk could easily beat Kimbo as well. And if BJ loses Shaw will make fun of him? He’d look like an ass after he brought up the lame excuse the Penn’s brother works for XC, like that means Penn wouldn’t fight Kimbo. He’d make fun of Penn, who has a very crazy group of fans that hate someone just for them utering that Penn can be beaten? This isn’t likely either. But honestly I thought Shaw’s comments are a weak reply to Dana’s comments and you yourself probably could have written it for Shaw. Maybe you could have a job over at Elite XC.
funny how he forgets that CBS bought Elite xc they didn’t make a deal…many people forget that fact…he is such an idiot
I’d like to see Shaw put his ass where his mouth is.
(Ok, that didn’t sound right….)
White vs. Shaw
3 rounds of boxing
Shaw doesn’t look like he could he could get up if the fight went to the ground. I’ll take Dana by KO in under 30 seconds.
Great idea if you’re into WWE. Get real
Pwn’t to Dana. EliteXC still sucks, though. They have a few good fighters and that’s about it.
After Tito loses, I’m sure they’ll grab him too. It seems to be the place for UFC-rejects that can’t get a win in the UFC. Well, unless it’s against Ken Shamrock, of course…
PS – I still like Lawler.
Can someone tell me what “PWN’T” means? I’m evidently too old.
(And “TTT” for that matter?)
Do you people HONESTLY think that Sherk has a shot? Seriously if you go back and watch the 2nd Penn/Hughes fight. You will see that one of the greatest WW of all time COULDNT get Penn to the ground! The wrestling skills are not any better in respect to Sherk or Hughes because Hughes beat the shit out of Sherk and he wasnt slamming Hughes all over the ground. I know its bad to play the “he beat him so he’ll beat him” game but I dont see this fight being as good as people may think…plus if its going to be sooooo close then why are the betting odds soooo bad for Sherk?
BJ by exorcist in the second round!
come back on sunday morning with a big ol plate of crow, sherk will beat penn in the 4th round due to a loss of heart and cardio. penn is lazy.
Say what you will about Dana, because yes, he’s very egotistic, as well as petty, but he’s done more for the forward motion of MMA than Gary Shaw has. I credit Gary for gettin MMA on FREE network TV (CBS is free, SpikeTV isn’t) although I question whether or not he’s going about it the right way, but thats just a matter of opinion. Gary Shaw cared nothing about MMA a few years back, in fact, he harshly criticized it. Then his son recommended him getting into promoting it because he knew there was gonna be big money. Which, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure was Dana White’s intentions as well, but when Dana talks about MMA, you know he is very passionate about it, he’s a fan, the downside to that is, as a fan, if he doesn’t like you, you’re not fighting in his org, which is sad. Gary Shaw has my full blessing with EliteXC as long as they keep delivering good fights and don’t let this Kimbo hype thing go to far (Kimbo vs Tyson? Get the fuck outta here) But Shaw calling Dana an idiot, is pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.
(BTW I’m not a Kimbo hater, I can’t hate on a working man doing what he has to do to get paid, I’m a marketing ploy hater, there’s a difference)
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/story/2008/3/13/105128/246
what Gary Shaw was singing just a while back
Gary Shaw sucks. Nick Diaz????? Overrated crybaby. In 16 months lets see who’s talking about elite xc
is the weigh-in on ESPNews today?!! help!
Shaw is one fat motherfucker.
I think this is the biggest problem with MMA. These companies try and build their brand then the actual fighters itself, unlike boxing where the fighter is built up.However, Shaw allows the fighter to fihgt in any other organization, so long as it does not intefere with their scheduled fights. Dana, on the other hand, does not allow cross promotion which kills a lot of dream match ups that long time mma fans would love to see.
GSP AND JON FITCH TO HEAD LINE UFC 87, LESNAR AND COLEMAN SCRATCHED!!!!!!!
Yea, you only had to scroll down the main page to see that….
ya a little late buddy
Oh well, I didnt go back a page.
Shaw sure seems to like the spotlight himself…
“Therefore, this is more than likely nowhere near over” – That is very unfortunate, but also very true. I hate hearing from these guys more often that from the fighters. Both are ego maniacs in a shitting contest. Both are seen and heard more than any of the fighters in their organizations. Both have major character and business flaws. Both act like playground bullies, which indicates they were probably on the wrong side of the playground when they ACTUALLY WERE KIDS. Both SUCK – no need to take sides.
Needless to say I am absolutely sick of hearing from both these guys. Is there no one who can act like a grown man anymore?
Shaw’s outburst telegraphs frustration. Perhaps he is having trouble getting advertisers for the 31st? I read somewhere that the head of CBS is totally against MMA on CBS. The Affliction development must add to his frustration. Add all these factors to the fact that EliteXC is hemorraging money at a rapid rate with no end in sight, it is not surprising that White is “losing it”. Banking your organization’s future on an unproven guy like Kimbo Slice! How ridiculous. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, the Fertittas will get the last laugh with respect to Shaw.
LOL, SHAW CARES ABOUT MMA? Talk about a load of shit and so what if Penn’s bro works for them… He would probably agree too that BJ could beat Kimbo. Dumbass.
bj peen would get knocked out before he could blink it wouldnt even be a fight an if they did goto the ground kimbo would eat him for breakfast penn is to weak an slow to fight kimbo
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA if they went to the ground penn would lose? god, whatever it is you’re smoking please share some with the rest of us.
Shaw is a pathetic piece of trash profiting off of the largest growing sport since his days with Boxing weren’t filling his pocket enough.
And for people to constantly bitch about Dana running his mouth, then jump on this fat ass douche bag’s side is completely hypocritical.
This isn’t a sport where athletes play their position. They fight. And to deal with fighters on a consistent basis over pay issues, contracts, upcoming fights, etc, you have to be just as much as a hard ass willing to talk the smack that they do.
DANA WHITE is the freaking man. Anyone who hates him simply hates his success.
He built the UFC from a bar-room brawl, freak show to a legitimate Fight Company that has made it possible for Jack-Offs like Shaw to even have a place in the sport!
That guy is a fat mo fo
I agree Dana White is a idiot he needs to put his personal opinions aside and do whats best for the sport yeah Dana is the reason mma is where it is today but there is no reason why it cant go further the fate of mma should not just be up to Dana we need people like Shaw to help elevate this sport
cross promote doesn’t necessarily mean pitting ufc vs elite fighters. it can also mean just promoting fights on the same night at the same location increasing the number of quality fights even if they stay within their own. the money could me maximized, places sold out, more buys on ppv. instead of filling a card with 2 great fights and 3 mediocre ones you could very easily have a card with 5 great/super fights.
also, the criticism of kimbo being a streetfighter is a joke. streetfighting/ers have always been a respected discipline. go back in the history of freestyle/underground fights. they didn’t all have nice names like kung fu, jujitsu, karate, judo etc. there have always been boxers and brawlers/streetfighters. you people that look down on kimbo because he is a streetfighter don’t have a clue as to where this all began.
oh yeah, many greats were formed fighting bums in backyards….
PLEASE.
look at your name, lilkimbo…what are you an illegitimate child of his?
Until Kimbo fights someone who is in their prime and at the top of the HW division, he’s a fluke…a modern day Tank Abbott.
Kimbo fights very much like a boxer, I wouldnt be surprised if he had some boxing training. Kimbo is much better than Tank Abbott in just about every way, there’s no comparison. If u can take a fighter from a single discipline like a karate, kickboxer, any type of standup fighter… and mold them into an MMA Fighter, there’s no reason a fighter like Kimbo can’t do the same.
Kimbo fights very much like a boxer?????
What kind of boxing are you watching?
Laughable.
He is watching Kimbos Youtube career or that crazy redneck wildman boxing that was posted on here a few weeks back.
A respected discipline? I am not sure which word is more of an oxymoron in your context.
All I can say is look at that BELLY!!!!!!!!
dana wont sign kimbo because he knows he’s a fucking joke.. he couldn’t beat 1 HW in the ufc not even that fatfuck eddie sanchez.. dana would cross promote for fights that 1 he benefits the most from, and 2 he risks nothing.. kinda how the elite xc is with kimbo fighting they make a profit and he gets a padded record.. somewhat like mike tysons early carreer only lacking skill.. elite has nothing to offer anyone didnt there MW champion lose like 3 fights in the ufc? i think so, nick diaz is good and id fine in the ufc also somewhat local so i liek him but wouldn’t last in the ufc again.. the ufc is all about progression not degression,they wont sign anyone elite has hell they signed that freak with the herpes on his neck from TUF…
PW in the begining of this thread hit the nail on the head about Shaw. Shaw is as shady as it gets. His promtions in boxing were shady and he will bring it to MMA. I come from a boxing family and Shaws reputation is rather scandoulous at best. He cares about the coin in his pocket. He is making money off the backs of the guys that are true MMA fighters while he promotes teh shit out of KIMBO. LEts be honest I could see BJ Penn winning that fight as well…
Gary Shaw & Dana White will be the first fighters on Titos grudge match show. Thats an exclusive folks!!
The extent of Kimbo’s ground training ends at Shaw’s little private hand parties.
I hate that I’m even submitting a message on this thread becuase it seems that no one truly gives a shit about anyone else’s opinion, each poster keeps regurgitating the same points, and there really is no point to arguing any of this…
With that said, everyone on this board can probably agree that Dana White helped to not only save the early skeleton that eventually became our sport, but also did a great deal to flesh it out and help become the fastest growing legitimate sport in the world. Honestly, can someone out there REALLY argue that? At the same time, it has to be acknowledged that the UFC is HIS company, not the sport. MMA exists outside of the UFC and EXC, guys. You know that. The UFC is Dana’s to run however he sees fit. Many of you act as if he controls the sport and it’s that type of mentality that will ensure he DOES. We don’t have to agree with the way he runs it, but he doesn’t have to change his business model because YOU don’t like it; tough shit. And since I can already sense some of the posters on here getting ready to fire back that whole “but since we fill his pockets, he needs to listen to the wants of his fans” rhetoric: I say really? Does he? Because I bet you’ll continue to watch his PPVs and talk about his company no matter WHAT he does. All the proof I need is in the 100+ comments directly above this one.
Also, another one I’m growing a little tired of: the UFC has the greatest fighters. Really? It’s easy to assume this because everyone on this forum is so familiar with the promotion, but there is a tremendous amount of talent out there, most of which few people on this site are able to witness and know for themselves. It’s not ignorance, we just don’t have the means to travel across the globe and scout fighters like we would need to in order to have a strong opinion here. The UFC certainly has the lion’s share of marketable, successful fighters in their stable, no question. But, and I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, for a company with the “greatest” fighters, TUF sure showcases a lot of shitheels. Agreed? I watch the show and wonder if there are ANY criteria anymore for getting on the show. You gotta admit that the series has really started scraping the bottom of the barrel recently for new talent; I’m only saying.
Secondly, we all know that Kimbo is not in the same league as many of the more experienced fighters in not just the UFC, but many organizations. That’s just the simple truth. But another poster put it best when he attempted to illustrate that MANY single-discipline background fighters started that way and developed into excellent MMA fighters, and there’s no reason to believe Kimbo couldn’t do the same. And yes, Shaw and the execs with EliteXC recognize the potential profit to gain by marketing the hell out of this guy, and to those of you who so vehemently claim that Dana, being the honest, no-hype, in-it-only-for-the-love-of-the-sport kinda guy that he is, wouldn’t stoop to the same level as Shaw & company: just what in the hell do you think Brock Lesnar is?!? It’s the same goddamn thing, people. And it’s just good business.
At the end of the day, all of this is great for our sport. From Dana’s egomaniacal control over his company to this argument over one fighter’s place in the sport, I gotta ask you guys: knowing that these things only draw more mainstream attention to the sport which is never a bad thing, what in the hell are you guys arguing over?