Comments on: A final look at UFC 84 with Jesse Holland from MMAmania.com http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/ UFC news, event schedules, fight analysis, Octagon predictions, UFC fighters and MMA thoughts Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:38:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Toms Bombs http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-538693 Toms Bombs Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06:43 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-538693 I'm pretty confident that he'll have the strap one day. I’m pretty confident that he’ll have the strap one day.

]]> By: Matt http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-538571 Matt Sat, 24 May 2008 16:35:37 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-538571 Jardine will continue his climb From now on Tito will fight in profitable freak shows( vs. kimbo, and whoever else wants to cross the MMA border). BJ Penn will rule the LW division for as long as he's interested And you can throw Suko into the same barrell as H. Alexander and T. Martin - these dudes can throw some bombs but lack any consistency Jardine will continue his climb

From now on Tito will fight in profitable freak shows( vs. kimbo, and whoever else wants to cross the MMA border).

BJ Penn will rule the LW division for as long as he’s interested

And you can throw Suko into the same barrell as H. Alexander and T. Martin – these dudes can throw some bombs but lack any consistency

]]> By: Derrick Fox http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-538297 Derrick Fox Sat, 24 May 2008 14:41:14 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-538297 Ya - I'm a big supporter of Thiago as well. As much as I want to see him fighting the top 5 in the division I actually think the UFC has helped him by not throwing him in the deep end right away. He is still working on his stand up and these fights with lesser opponents are helping him become more experienced before he is in the spotlight. If he wins (or when) tonight he'll be in the big draw matches. I still wanted him to be the first to pound Rashad but oh well. Ya – I’m a big supporter of Thiago as well. As much as I want to see him fighting the top 5 in the division I actually think the UFC has helped him by not throwing him in the deep end right away. He is still working on his stand up and these fights with lesser opponents are helping him become more experienced before he is in the spotlight. If he wins (or when) tonight he’ll be in the big draw matches. I still wanted him to be the first to pound Rashad but oh well.

]]> By: me http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-537489 me Sat, 24 May 2008 05:55:53 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-537489 tito is huge compared to machida. hes going to go threw him like he did against kenny tito is huge compared to machida. hes going to go threw him like he did against kenny

]]> By: Smokes http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-536062 Smokes Fri, 23 May 2008 21:36:07 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-536062 I agree on most of the judgements here, but I'll still give my two cents. Sherk deserve a title shot? -No doubt, he is 32-2, hadn't lost in a couple of years and already had beaten Florian who at the time is the number one or number two contender to face the winner or this bout. Also its hard to imagine anyone else at 155 really being able to make a good fight against Sherk. BJ move to WW? No, he does this to often and needs to actually stat his dominance. Of course he can fight anyone anywhere, but can he consistantly win to clear out a division. That is what I'd like him to do, then think about moving up What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night? Hopefully he's never seen from or heard from again, I don't think he'll ever be a top 10 contender again Should Machida face the winner of Rampage/Forrest? No he shouldn't, he should get more fights in however he is the only logical fighter to deserve the shot except for maybe Jardine but we have to wait to see if Jardine can beat Wandy, keep in mind that Wandy does not deserve a title shot for one win If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight? I think he might move down win/lose, the UFC has taken alot of his arsenal away from him and he's less of a beast because of it, but if he moves down a weight class people will be ducking their heads... all except for Silva who will welcome the challenge I agree on most of the judgements here, but I’ll still give my two cents.

Sherk deserve a title shot?
-No doubt, he is 32-2, hadn’t lost in a couple of years and already had beaten Florian who at the time is the number one or number two contender to face the winner or this bout. Also its hard to imagine anyone else at 155 really being able to make a good fight against Sherk.

BJ move to WW?
No, he does this to often and needs to actually stat his dominance. Of course he can fight anyone anywhere, but can he consistantly win to clear out a division. That is what I’d like him to do, then think about moving up

What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night?
Hopefully he’s never seen from or heard from again, I don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 contender again

Should Machida face the winner of Rampage/Forrest?
No he shouldn’t, he should get more fights in however he is the only logical fighter to deserve the shot except for maybe Jardine but we have to wait to see if Jardine can beat Wandy, keep in mind that Wandy does not deserve a title shot for one win

If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight?
I think he might move down win/lose, the UFC has taken alot of his arsenal away from him and he’s less of a beast because of it, but if he moves down a weight class people will be ducking their heads… all except for Silva who will welcome the challenge

]]> By: john http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-535712 john Fri, 23 May 2008 19:41:53 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-535712 Here’s my humble take: Should Sean Sherk have received a title shot coming off a suspension? Hell no! Josh Barnett beat Couture for the title, tested positive for roids and he hasnt managed to get back in the UFC yet, but since Sherk is the only chump stupid enough to defend the title for like $25,000...Dana loves a cheap champion. If BJ Penns wins should he move up to welterweight? No Way! THere are so many great match ups for him at 155 lbs, and he would be the favorite in every single one of them....He needs to stay at 155 lbs and put his stamp on that division for ever.... Go on a crazy winning streak and set a record of title defenses in a row that no other lightweight will ever beat! Will this truly be Tito Ortiz’s final fight in the UFC? Yes, and its about Time... All he does is talk, but he never backs it up against any top guys. He hangs on to the fact that he hasnt lost to anyone except for Chuck n Randy in the past couple of years, but he hasnt fought anyone really. Forrest and Rashad are good fighters, but they werent the fighters that they are today, when Tito beat them What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night Who the hell cares? Dont believe the crap he says about moving on to possibly fight Fedor or Kimbo....he is a lil Biotch! Dana had to drag him into the Octagon and lock the doors shut to get him to fight chuck, dont be foolish enough to ever believe that he would accept a fight against someone who hits hard If Machida wins should he face the winner of Rampage/Griffin No, the winner of Wandy/Jardine should fight Rampage next, While Machida/Tiago Silva fight for the next shot, and by then Chuck and Shogun will be ready to fight to determine the next contender. Which Keith Jardine will show up against Wanderlei Silva? THE BRUTAL ONE!!!! WAR WANDERLEI If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight? Doesnt matter who he faces or what division its in it will be a very exciting match as long as he is involved. Is Thiago Silva the best kept secret in the UFC’s light heavyweight division? Maybe, but not in my eyes....He is no secret to me, I am a big fan...that kid is just Nasty....He is a very skilled Warrior who loves to bang, all he needs to do is take English lessons and he could become a STAR in AMERICA Is Soku the real deal or just a two-hit wonder? Soko is for real. Keep in mind he is 23, could you imagine him at 28? Scary! I think he will show what he is made of tomorrow against a very durable and underrated Nakamura Here’s my humble take:

Should Sean Sherk have received a title shot coming off a suspension?
Hell no! Josh Barnett beat Couture for the title, tested positive for roids and he hasnt managed to get back in the UFC yet, but since Sherk is the only chump stupid enough to defend the title for like $25,000…Dana loves a cheap champion.

If BJ Penns wins should he move up to welterweight?
No Way! THere are so many great match ups for him at 155 lbs, and he would be the favorite in every single one of them….He needs to stay at 155 lbs and put his stamp on that division for ever…. Go on a crazy winning streak and set a record of title defenses in a row that no other lightweight will ever beat!

Will this truly be Tito Ortiz’s final fight in the UFC?
Yes, and its about Time… All he does is talk, but he never backs it up against any top guys. He hangs on to the fact that he hasnt lost to anyone except for Chuck n Randy in the past couple of years, but he hasnt fought anyone really. Forrest and Rashad are good fighters, but they werent the fighters that they are today, when Tito beat them

What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night
Who the hell cares? Dont believe the crap he says about moving on to possibly fight Fedor or Kimbo….he is a lil Biotch! Dana had to drag him into the Octagon and lock the doors shut to get him to fight chuck, dont be foolish enough to ever believe that he would accept a fight against someone who hits hard

If Machida wins should he face the winner of Rampage/Griffin
No, the winner of Wandy/Jardine should fight Rampage next, While Machida/Tiago Silva fight for the next shot, and by then Chuck and Shogun will be ready to fight to determine the next contender.

Which Keith Jardine will show up against Wanderlei Silva?
THE BRUTAL ONE!!!! WAR WANDERLEI

If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight?
Doesnt matter who he faces or what division its in it will be a very exciting match as long as he is involved.

Is Thiago Silva the best kept secret in the UFC’s light heavyweight division?
Maybe, but not in my eyes….He is no secret to me, I am a big fan…that kid is just Nasty….He is a very skilled Warrior who loves to bang, all he needs to do is take English lessons and he could become a STAR in AMERICA

Is Soku the real deal or just a two-hit wonder?
Soko is for real. Keep in mind he is 23, could you imagine him at 28? Scary! I think he will show what he is made of tomorrow against a very durable and underrated Nakamura

]]> By: Spitforce http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-535628 Spitforce Fri, 23 May 2008 19:06:24 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-535628 Wandy/Jardine is the most intriguing fight on the card. We all know Wandy is going to show up in shape, but which Keith Jardine will show up tommorow night? I would argue that his serraesque loss to houston was nothing but a fluke and since then he has proven himself to be top 5 in the world. Still, I'm rooting for Wandy simply because losing four fights in a row could put an end to one of the greatest MMA careers in history. I know he's got the talent, but is his heart still in it? Wandy/Jardine is the most intriguing fight on the card. We all know Wandy is going to show up in shape, but which Keith Jardine will show up tommorow night? I would argue that his serraesque loss to houston was nothing but a fluke and since then he has proven himself to be top 5 in the world. Still, I’m rooting for Wandy simply because losing four fights in a row could put an end to one of the greatest MMA careers in history. I know he’s got the talent, but is his heart still in it?

]]> By: PW http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-535614 PW Fri, 23 May 2008 18:52:52 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-535614 Tito will be back. Whatever animosity there is between him and Dana, whether it's real or just for the cameras, will be set aside when they realize they make too much money together to separate. He will get fights with guys looking to crack the top 5, talk them up, lose most of them and keep putting large checks in his pocket. Tito will be back. Whatever animosity there is between him and Dana, whether it’s real or just for the cameras, will be set aside when they realize they make too much money together to separate. He will get fights with guys looking to crack the top 5, talk them up, lose most of them and keep putting large checks in his pocket.

]]> By: subwayy2sallyy http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-535592 subwayy2sallyy Fri, 23 May 2008 18:35:31 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-535592 Should Sean Sherk have received a title shot coming off a suspension? Yes, he was the champ and I dont think he needs to get back up to that position especially if he really ddint take steroids. If BJ Penns wins should he move up to welterweight? Not yet there is enough good competition in lightweight. Will this truly be Tito Ortiz’s final fight in the UFC? Hopefully it will be his last fight period What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night? shitty reality tv and b movies If Machida wins should he face the winner of Rampage/Griffin? If he wins I think he should be the number 1 contender Which Keith Jardine will show up against Wanderlei Silva? hopefully it's not his chimpanzee style If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight? I think he should but he wouldnt fight Anderson Silva because they used to be from the same camp Is Thiago Silva the best kept secret in the UFC’s light heavyweight division? IDK why people say that. His first fight he didnt even fight, his second fight he was losing until drwal gassed, and his 3rd fight he gnp a guy who had no ground game. So he may be good we just havent seen it yet Is Soku the real deal or just a two-hit wonder? he's a rookie with a lot of potential Should Sean Sherk have received a title shot coming off a suspension? Yes, he was the champ and I dont think he needs to get back up to that position especially if he really ddint take steroids.

If BJ Penns wins should he move up to welterweight? Not yet there is enough good competition in lightweight.

Will this truly be Tito Ortiz’s final fight in the UFC?
Hopefully it will be his last fight period

What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night? shitty reality tv and b movies

If Machida wins should he face the winner of Rampage/Griffin? If he wins I think he should be the number 1 contender

Which Keith Jardine will show up against Wanderlei Silva?
hopefully it’s not his chimpanzee style

If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight? I think he should but he wouldnt fight Anderson Silva because they used to be from the same camp

Is Thiago Silva the best kept secret in the UFC’s light heavyweight division? IDK why people say that. His first fight he didnt even fight, his second fight he was losing until drwal gassed, and his 3rd fight he gnp a guy who had no ground game. So he may be good we just havent seen it yet

Is Soku the real deal or just a two-hit wonder?
he’s a rookie with a lot of potential

]]> By: Dan http://mmamania.com/2008/05/23/a-final-look-at-ufc-84-with-jesse-holland-from-mmamaniacom/comment-page-1/#comment-535503 Dan Fri, 23 May 2008 17:43:49 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=6461#comment-535503 Should Sean Sherk have received a title shot coming off a suspension? Absolutely, he has proven himself as one of the best in the world. If BJ Penns wins should he move up to welterweight? I think that he should face the winner of Huerta/Florian and then move up to face St. Piere. He should though drop back down and stay at 155 after the Piere rematch. Will this truly be Tito Ortiz’s final fight in the UFC? Only god knows what Ortiz is going to do. With all this talk I cant wait to find out. What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night? My guess: Win=He will move to XC to eventually fight Kimbo. Lose=Maybe fight in another organization but concentrate primarily on coaching and profiting on his camp. If Machida wins should he face the winner of Rampage/Griffin? Depends on the Wandy/Jardine fight. If Jardine wins he needs an immediate title shot no matter the outcome of Rampage/Griffin. If Wandy wins and Rampage wins we need to see that rematchhappen. But if Wandy wins and Griffin wins then we should see Griffin /Machida. Those are the some great matchups. Which Keith Jardine will show up against Wanderlei Silva? Jardine is always a great fighter he just got knocked out by an extremely hard hitting guy that he underestimated. If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight? He will be forced to by the UFC. They had Hendo do it when he said he wouldn’t. Is Thiago Silva the best kept secret in the UFC’s light heavyweight division? We have got to see him fight better competition. I agree with Rashad. Is Soku the real deal or just a two-hit wonder? He doesn’t have enough pro fights to tell. We will see soon. Just my opinion. Be nice. Should Sean Sherk have received a title shot coming off a suspension? Absolutely, he has proven himself as one of the best in the world.
If BJ Penns wins should he move up to welterweight? I think that he should face the winner of Huerta/Florian and then move up to face St. Piere. He should though drop back down and stay at 155 after the Piere rematch.
Will this truly be Tito Ortiz’s final fight in the UFC? Only god knows what Ortiz is going to do. With all this talk I cant wait to find out.
What becomes of Ortiz after Saturday night? My guess: Win=He will move to XC to eventually fight Kimbo. Lose=Maybe fight in another organization but concentrate primarily on coaching and profiting on his camp.
If Machida wins should he face the winner of Rampage/Griffin? Depends on the Wandy/Jardine fight. If Jardine wins he needs an immediate title shot no matter the outcome of Rampage/Griffin. If Wandy wins and Rampage wins we need to see that rematchhappen. But if Wandy wins and Griffin wins then we should see Griffin /Machida. Those are the some great matchups.
Which Keith Jardine will show up against Wanderlei Silva? Jardine is always a great fighter he just got knocked out by an extremely hard hitting guy that he underestimated.
If Silva loses will he move down to middleweight? He will be forced to by the UFC. They had Hendo do it when he said he wouldn’t.
Is Thiago Silva the best kept secret in the UFC’s light heavyweight division? We have got to see him fight better competition. I agree with Rashad.
Is Soku the real deal or just a two-hit wonder? He doesn’t have enough pro fights to tell. We will see soon.
Just my opinion. Be nice.

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