Thanks John!

Neither of us predicted that Hendo would lose his first two either… But at least Hendo was fighting the current champ each time. Chuck is right there in the same boat as Rampage and Anderson, but a Dean of Mean doesn’t quite reach that level yet, yeah, he beat Chuck, but that doesn’t make him the “Dean of Personality”. In a crowded division, a personality can go a long way. Just look at Forrest. He gets a title shot with a win over Hector Ramirez and Shogun. Jardine beats Forrest and Chuck and doesn’t even get consideration. In fact, he has to beat the Axe Murderer just to stay relevant in the division. Does Frank Mir deserve a title shot? Probably not. But seeing that he announces for WEC and speaks well and has a PERSONALITY, he gets mainstream exposure as coach on TUF and a shot at the title.

Whenever I read a “Keith Jardine” quote, I do so in my head with the most mono-tone, boring voice imaginable.

FINALLY, some free time at work – haven’t had some for weeks!!!!

Let it out! U r on fire today! lol….U bring up a great point in the fact that Jardine’s boring personality is really holding him back….LHW is like the top division that personality shouldnt mean anything because its so stacked, but u r right that Keith needs this fight to stay relevant, and its a shame….I am sick of dudes not getting credit cause they dont have great personality or internet fan faollowings…..Like him or not Jardine brings it and its a shame that he has to go through Liddell and wandy back to back…to maybe get a title shot.

Jardine should have made them guarentee him a title shot with a win over Wanderlei, If not I wouldnt even take that fight if I was Keith!

Next time you read a Jardine quote imagine it being delivered with a German accent as he techno-dances down der Strasse. Wandi-Jardine is going to be wildly entertaining, and unless the odds are really good for one of them I’ll just save that cash to put on Machida. I’m usually pretty partial toward fighters who have won me money in the past, but Sherk is out of that group now. I hope BJ carves him up then chokes him and licks Sherk’s blood while Sherk is out.

lmao WTF??

Haze: quickly and decisively is the KEY…Machida needs to get that mismatch against tito over with quick so that maybe they air the Sokoudou fight. U kno we can count on Penn to end the fight no later then the second which will hopefully free up air time for the WARMACHINE fight! and if Wanderlei comes out like a bat out of hell and rocks Jardine like chuck did, hopefully wandy jumps all over him and ends it…the longer thta fight lasts the more the advantage goes to Jardine IMO

all of you are wrong… ON THE CONFERENCE CALL!!

Wrong again. Penn’s sprawl during the fight will reach 88 mph, and he’ll go back in time to choke sherk out before either of them are even born

He’ll go back to 1955 to make sure Sherk’s parents don’t dance and fall in love at the Enchantment Under The Sea dance.

LoL… you morons!

I am soooo interested in finding out what the Penn/Sherk under/over will be. Typically, in 5 round championship fights, its 2.5 rounds. However, Sherk is involved. Three round Karo fights have over/under of 2.5 rounds instead of 1.5 typically. I am still worried about BetUs not accepting my parlays. Last event, they only accepted my Lauzon/Under pick and wouldn’t accept my Irvin/Under pick, nor any other parlayed pick within the same fight.

Well, at least I have a BoDog account now. Never knew I’d be so happy that BetUs was having technical difficulties two hours before the Kentucky Derby…. bunch of jerk offs.

Vm: I have the same worries but I cant see them making the unders 2 rounds or less….That would be really disrespectful to Sherk because everyone knows he has no chance of ending the fight in the 1st 2 rounds. Its not like Penn is a -350-500 favorite…if the odds were that high they might adjust the over/under but like u said, title fights are usually 2.5 rounds (odds) and I dont think they will be any different for this fight.

Well played then . . . Cause im grinded LoL, its all good.

and penn will “grind out” a 1st round stoppage!

well… penn did need help walking after 1 and a half rounds where all he did was beat up stevenson… no matter how much he trains his conditioning always looks suspect… he was stopped by hughes after dominating for 2 rounds… and i don’t want to hear popped rib and no core mobility… its a fight… your body takes damage… if it gets damaged in the stresses and strains of a fight its not a valid excuse like most people throw around… next fighters will be saying they were rinning but lost cause of repeated left hooks to the jaw, or knees to the ribs… hughes beat him fair and square by taking what he had to offer, surviving… and his poor conditioning came into play… which despite his “abs” was no better vs stevenson…

if sherk can survive the first two rounds… cause BJ is gonna come out fast and furious… he’ll grind out the decision 3 rounds to 2…

Think about what you said, he dominated Hughes for two rounds . . . The was “needing help walking” after one and half with Joe . . . Its an act bro, its an act so that Sean see’e it and like Joe banks all his cards on one thing, that he’ll out cardio BJ Penn. So he goes 3 with GSP, two with hughes and then the rib, and then one and a half with Joe and is tired, come on do the math. He likes the fact that his opponent is gonna go for a cardio win so sean is training his ass off in the cardio department instead of bringing the best BJJ guys he can find to focus on defending subs and working from the bottom, its genius, its crazy, its BJ Penn!

haemophiliac, don’t you think he could have been overwhelmed by the realization that he was the champ, that he had done it again… That he and Randy were in a league of their own…

to be fair he gassed after one round with GSP… in my opinion GSP would have beaten him all three rounds… Penn apologists always say he broke his ribs vs hughes and how he beat up GSP in the first round… but to be fair about 30 seconds into the fight he jammed his thumb right into GSPs eyes and “urt im”… for the rest of the round he “saw two beejay penn, i went to h’it one and da oder punch me”… so even that fight i only think bj beat him up so bad cause the guy couldnt see… people never seem to mention that… but if you watch the fight again you can see that gsp couldnt see… he didnt call timeout like hughes likes to do… the ref missed it… so he just tried to survive… after the fight you can see the mark on his right eye-lid

no doubt BJ is one hell of a fighter… and pound for pound has to be top 4 in my book… but i still think his cardio is his weak point… and i think if sherk can survive the first two… he’ll grind out the result…

surviving two rounds vs BJ isn’t all that easy though… so i’ll still give him the edge… but his cardio is very suspect in my opinion…

nope… i don’t think so… he was breathing hard… couldnt walk properly… and if you see the footage of him in the locker room afterwards he looks completely run down… its not a one off either… we’ve seen it from BJ before… and there’s always an excuse for it… but i just think it happens to often for it not to be an actual cardio issue…

Penn is crazy but not crazy enough to come up with an idea like that. Sean trains cardio crazy everytime and already has arguably the best cardio in all of MMA. He’s not going to not train BJJ just because Penn doesn’t look healthy. You mean to tell me that Penn lost to Hughes on purpose? And if this is some plan of his why didn’t he show he gas tank with Pulver? Its a neat idea I’ll give you that, but no where near legitimate.

and by your math his cardio is getting worse then, since he went longer with hughes than with joe, whatever. Argue me this; does Sherk fight CAN’S and should it not be a bigger consern that he doesnt fight regularly top notch fighters? Id think that would be a bigger deal than a two year old cadio issue of the best fighter in the world . . . But you sherk fans worry about what you think is important, BJ breathing hard after winning his second championship!

Get him ADAM!! No need to jump in, you seem to be handling yourself just fine…PENN NATION baby! lol

One love!

Not sure if you were talking to me there Adam but I’ll take to the response anyway. In no way does BJ show his gas tank is getting worse but he has not shown that it is getting better. He hasn’t really had the chance. Against Hughes I don’t say it was all him gassing out although he definetly did his injury is a big factor in his slowness. Also in the Pulver fight he ended it to quickly to show his tank but Pulver didn’t ever really push him in that fight anyway so I think he could have went 3 rounds without gassing. The third fight is the one I question, he did look tired by the end so it leads me to believe that he may have some cardio issues. More to the point I’m not even sure Penn has bad cardio I just think he uses alot more energy than any other fighter. Nobody seems to point out that having the flexibility Penn has and the moves he tries to pull would definetly drive down your tank. Penn uses all four of his limbs at once to defend a take down and do a switch so I think that is where he loses is energy. This is exactly why I think this is such a big deal because Sherk uses his strength to out hustle you.

To take the cans theory, I admit Sherk has fought alot of cans but he dominated them. He has a 32-2-1 record which even fighting cans a guy can easily lose. I look at this as Sherks claim that he belongs at the top and if he loses who cares because he will only have lost to Penn, Hughes, and GSP. Who would make fun of someone for losing to any of those three guys? Anyway I guess the question that should be asked when it comes down to it is, Who in the Lightweight division do you think CAN beat Sherk? If all of the Penn fans asked themselves this question I’m sure they would all still think that Sherk is a boring fighter but they would be pressed to find another fighter besides Penn to beat Sherk at that weight? Even if Faber moved up he wouldn’t stand a chance. In the end if Sherk wins its a stab to all the Penn fans, but if he loses he’ll look no different than Hughes and Franklin. Even if Sherk does not beat Penn, nobody else will beat Sherk.

*I think that this makes any fight with the champions at LW, WW, and MW completely unwarrented. You would have to beat Sherk, Hughes, or Franklin to deserve to face Penn, GSP, or Silva? Yeah ok thats like taking on the champ only to find there to be a super champ right after him*

there’s no math involved here… and i am by no means a sherk fan… at all… i’m just saying that he seems to have an issue with his cardio… which you thought he would have resolved now that he’s “dedicated to training hard and eating right” but he looked completely gassed at the end of the stevenson fight… which didn’t even finish the second round… go watch the video… see him in the locker room post fight… and then disagree… cardio was a factor vs gsp and hughes… and a lot of people, including gsp… said that in the hughes fight… if it went past round 2 advantage was to hughes cause of bj’s cardio issues… not saying he’s gonna lose… but i am saying that if it goes 5 rounds he’ll lose.

Don’t know if you are talking to me Adam but I’ll still answer. No I am not implying that Penns cardio is getting worse. As a matter of fact I bet it is getting better but to be honest I don’t think Penn has bad cardio anyway. I think his problem is the way he fights. He burns probably twice as much energy as any other fighter. He burns to much energy with takedown defense and ground control. I think he knows this and it restricts him to having to finish a fight within 3 rounds. If he wanted to save more energy Sherk is not the fighter to be testing that with, IMO he’ll still burn up but not because he has bad cardio. Sherk also does fight cans but he has a 32-2-1 record. To fight that many fights and only lose to two guys who are bigger than you and better with your own specific skill is nothing to worry about. With 32 fights I don’t think experience is something anybody worries about with Sherk. Sherk also has a ton of heart and doesn’t back down even when he is hurt, these are reasons for not questioning Sherk history. When he starts fighting like Sylvia is when I’ll worry, as long as he shows heart and tries I’ll always be a Sherk fan. Not to mention if he loses to Penn he’ll only fall in the Hughes – Franklin category. The only question that really needs to be asked is, other than Penn who at LW can really beat Sherk? When you answer this question I think it’ll answer your cans question as well.

To both of you guys (smoke-dog and haemophiliac) i enjoyed reading your responses and i see your points now, i think there is one thing we can agree on for ure . . this is gonna be one hell of a fight and maybe we’ll get to see if Penn has really worked on his cardio. Wether it goes 2 round or 5, i hope its a bloody steroid free mess!

it is going to be an awesome fight… i think Penn will win inside 2… but i agree… its gonna be a great fight… and the whole card looks great.

I hear Dream has the koolaid, not sure if its grape though