This list, which includes WEC Featherweight Champion Ur-eeh-jah Faybear, is taken from Sherdog.com — so it’s not unique to ESPN. Regardless, it’s discussion worthy:

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Comment by Landowner
2008-05-08 11:36:59

BJ is nine out of ten? That list is officially bogus.

Comment by TonyDrip
2008-05-08 13:45:48

Agreed….BJ is top 3 at a minimum….arguably #1.

Comment by liukangstoupee
2008-05-09 01:06:39

Arguably no 1? now aren’t we being generous. He can’t beat GSP before, and more than ever he can’t beat the GSP that dismantled Serra and Hughes. At best no. 5 or 6 behind Big Nog.

Lets not consider his last 2 wins were against an over the hill Jens Pulver and a shoe in Joe Stevenson. Even if he beats Sean Sherk in convincing fashion, it’ll be hard for him to be considered top 5. He’ll need a win against todays GSP to ever even be considered top 3.

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Comment by ( (Adam G) )
2008-05-08 13:45:51

word!

Comment by Hardcase
2008-05-08 13:59:12

maybe he should avenge his losses to gsp and hughes before you start licking his sack.

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Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 14:05:07

Hardcase,

Thats jacked up. LMAO.

 
Comment by Brandon
2008-05-08 14:27:34

I hate all of your top ten P4P lists. I hate mine too… there are just so many arguements for different fighters to be ranked higher.

 
Comment by TonyDrip
2008-05-08 15:38:24

No one’s lickin’ anyone’s sack douchebag. Name another fighter that has moved up and down between 155 & 205 with the kind of success he’s had.

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-05-08 15:57:04

i would have him at #3 behind silva and gsp, but ahead of rampage and fedor.

 
Comment by bj gives bjs
2008-05-08 16:53:53

bj is so overrated, it isn’t even funny. i totally agree with the idea of avenging a loss to hughes and/or pierre. when’s the last time bj beat an elite fighter??? matt hughes back in ‘04??? let’s just say that i don’t think bj would be jumping around into different weight classes if he could’ve dominated one of them. i think he’s finally found the weakest division ever, and his overrated-ass will take full advantage of it. as for the list, i told myself the list wouldn’t be legit w/o silva and pierre at 1 & 2, but i can live with 1 & 3, only because of the hiccup serra caused to pierre.

 
 
 
Comment by The_Mexicutioner
2008-05-08 14:26:07

I dont see how Gomi is in the list. He has had 2 fights in the last 2 years, one of which he lost. And Duane Ludwig is good but not one of the best in the world. And BJ is 9th? Sherdog sucks anyway. The only reason I go there is to check records. This is just ESPN trying to kiss MMA’s ass because its (MMA) time has come and ESPN wants to jump on board. I kind of wish ESPN wouldnt cover MMA so that way it doesnt become too commercialized and everyone and their mom becomes an alleged “MMA fan”.

 
Comment by LoKo
2008-05-08 17:44:42

here’s my list:
1.Bj Penn
2.George St Pierre
3.Anderson Silva
4.Who the hell is Rampage?!

Comment by Vera-Liddell-GSP-Edgar
2008-05-08 21:44:14

Yea Penn over GSP who has a win over him, you seem bright ….

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Comment by john
2008-05-09 10:08:56

I am not saying that BJ belongs higher on the list than GSP, but it was an extremely close decision (a lot of people thought BJ won).

Also BJ is a natural LW, while GSP is a very big WW… This is a P4P list afterall.

 
 
 
 
Comment by The Legend
2008-05-08 11:38:16

I wonder when they will put MMA on the sports ticker?

 
Comment by kazai
2008-05-08 11:39:32

gsp is pound for pound the best looking fighter on the planet.
OH and he didn’t even mentioned quinton,suprising.
mmamania Urijah Faber is spelled that way not:Ur-eeh-jah Faybear…what’s up with that?

Comment by Mad A
2008-05-08 11:45:34

Phonetic spelling. Humor. Look them up.

Comment by MMAmania
2008-05-08 12:38:36

Yes, it was a joke. Amazing how literal people get on the Interwebs. And there’s no need for name calling, brian.

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Comment by kazai
2008-05-08 12:50:29

riiight, i get it now, i didn’t pay attention, pretty funny actualy.

 
 
 
Comment by Big Jake
2008-05-08 12:38:00

If you watched the video then you’d know that Mania was spelling it the way the dumb ass commentator said it.

 
 
Comment by brian
2008-05-08 11:47:42

kazai your an idiot thats how the espn broadcaster pronounced his name, everyone knows thats not how you spell his name

 
Comment by R-Dizzle
2008-05-08 11:49:28

It’s still awesome to see MMA on ESPN. I wish they would extend their coverage more, but any coverage is still good for MMA.

 
Comment by stryker
2008-05-08 11:52:29

BJ #9 on p4p??? thats how much ESPN knows about MMA.

BJ should be in the top 4 easily, along with GSP, Silva, and Fedor. Rampage shouldn’t be #2.

Comment by yohnstoppable
2008-05-08 12:53:54

These were taken from Sherdog, smart guy. And while I agree Penn is one of the best in the world, it is unfair to put him at the top being 2-2 in his last 4 fights. I’m sure he’ll go up after he beats Sherk, though

Comment by THORAZINE
2008-05-08 15:27:32

I agree on paper, bj between 5-10 is fair, but fans and fighters know bj was beating Hughes then cracked his ribs and got beat. He was beating GSP, then GSP went to lay n’ pray tactics. NOW, BJ trains harder and cardio is no longer an issue.. if u looked at the circumstances, he’s a top 5 fighter. If he beats Sherk, it’s fair that he moves into the top 5.

I like that Faber is recognized, for so long he’s been left off of many ranking lists, that’s just ignorance. He’s getting a lot more publicity within the last couple of years and the WEC is getting recognition… good for faber and WEC.

Couple of guys on the list I don’t agree with Nog and Gomi. Nog is tough and is champion, but the heavyweight division is weak, so that shouldn’t make him a lb for lb top 10. Gomi, “I’m not impressed by your performance”

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Comment by liukangstoupee
2008-05-09 01:12:11

Beating someone means nothing, Beaten someone means everything. Hell Tim Sylvia was beating on Nog for 2 rounds, it the end it still amounted to a loss. Stop making excuses, BJ is 2-2 in his last 4, he is underrated in the rankings at no. 9 but by no means or measure can anyone with any objective opinion can put him above top 5.

 
 
 
 
Comment by TKO
2008-05-08 11:53:29

GSP should be #1, I don’t want to take anything away from Silva he is really good but GSP deserves number 1 spot. #2 Silva.

GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1 GSP#1

Comment by Smokes
2008-05-08 12:33:18

Why does GSP deserve the number one spot with a recent loss to Serra? And why does BJ deserve to be higher up on the chart without more recent fights? Seriously start grading these guys on their fights and abilities… not who is your favorite fighter.

Comment by sparxx
2008-05-08 12:54:43

Uh… recent loss to serra? dude that was last year. GSP has since beat up Kos and Hughes, then destroyed serra. i agree he should be 1, but like TKO, nothing against anderson.

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Comment by Leeward
2008-05-08 19:50:11

how true

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Comment by damaja
2008-05-08 11:55:49

Why is Fedor on the list? He hasn’t fought anyone legit in a year and half.

 
Comment by Anonymousf*ck
2008-05-08 11:56:28

1. Anderson Silva
2. George ST Pierre
3. BJ Penn
4. Quniton Rampage
5. Emelianko

and the rest can keep fighting for a spot…

Comment by jerrolds
2008-05-08 12:08:11

I’ll agree with this list for the most part. I’m not sure how Gomi is above Penn, or even in the list in the first place..

After Penn embarasses Sherk - I might even argue that he’s #1 - since he actually fought in 3 different weight classes haha, now thats P4P. From Lightweight -> Welterweight -> Light Heavyweight.

Geez..he skipped middleweight :P

Comment by ( (Adam G) )
2008-05-08 13:48:45

He faught Rodrigo Gracie and Renzo Gracie at Middle Weight . . . Thats 4 out of 5 weight classes

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Comment by The Anomaly
2008-05-09 17:38:50

Penn never fought at LHW, he fought at HW when he fought Machida, still 4 out of the 5 UFC weight classes, but just clarifying.
Look at Machida in the UFC, and look at the one that fought Penn, dare you to tell me they weighed the same.

 
 
 
Comment by ShatteredDreams
2008-05-09 08:19:23

This man speaks the truth.

 
 
Comment by Mark
2008-05-08 12:07:09

how the hell is Noguiera up there and not Couture!?

Comment by Fightinroundtheworld
2008-05-08 12:52:56

Couture hasn’t fought since August, and it doesn’t look like he’ll fight anytime soon.

 
Comment by utaptout
2008-05-08 15:11:34

Because Couture is overrated, and Big Nog is a better, and more accomplished fighter. He’s beaten a couple of the fighters that beat Couture.

Comment by JV
2008-05-09 11:01:32

Overrated, your kidding right? Coutures last two wins, he dominated his opponents. Nogs last two wins HE was getting dominated before he won. Explain that!

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Comment by PW
2008-05-08 12:07:26

GSP needs to successfully defend the title at least a few times before I’m willing to rank him that high. And how the hell are Penn and Youriah Febert (Cajun spelling) that low? I’d like to see more MMA on ESPN, but only if the get some knowledgeable and credible people to discuss it. Otherwise it’s no different than me offering stock tips.

 
Comment by shamo84
2008-05-08 12:10:31

rampage 2° is a nonsense. minotauro shouldn’t be so high as well

Comment by Brandon
2008-05-08 14:25:41

Yeah page shouldnt even be smelling top 3.

Killing griffin won’t help his case either

Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 14:35:09

WORD !

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Comment by jimmy_dean
2008-05-09 11:54:33

Rampage is the Champion of the deepest LHW division in the world. Why shouldn’t he be number 2. Just face it, this is not the same Rampage that was dominated by Wandy and Shogun. If Hendo couldn’t do it then who can?

 
 
 
 
Comment by MikeD
2008-05-08 12:20:19

Sherdog.com and MMAfigting.com always have P4P rankings…BJ Penn will move up (possibly top 5) once he beats Sherk. Fedor is lucky, he’s milked that ranking for a long time already.

 
Comment by georgio
2008-05-08 12:23:54

i don’t think any heavyweight should ever be ranked higher than number 10 on a pound for pound list. i mean, scale big nogueria down to bj penn’s size. penn, sherk, jz, hughes, st pierre and karo (to name a few in that general area) would all beat him. some would make it look pretty easy, too. there are good talents at heavyweight- nog is easily one of the best heavies mma can offer, and easily one or two on the all time list but ONLY at heavyweight.

Comment by jerrolds
2008-05-08 12:31:27

Exactly - BJ Penn, GSP, Silva have the skillset to dominate at any weight class if they were somehow resized and kept everything proportional.

That’s how i view the phrase “pound-for-pound”

Comment by ShatteredDreams
2008-05-09 08:21:38

I’m not sure about that.
I’ll give you BJ for sure, and perhaps Silva, but GSP is someone that relies greatly on his size as well. Which is not to say that he’s not a skilled fighter. I’m merely saying that his size is one of many of his advantages.

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Comment by efisher
2008-05-08 12:26:28

Anonymous got it exactly right

 
Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 12:28:53

I would not take anything ESPN reports to be the final word.

ESPN stopped being a truly credible sports-only oriented source when it started shilling cellphones, producing reality shows and encouraging Stuart Scott to implement ebonics in his newscasting.

BTW (based on activity/quality wins)

1) Silva
2) BJ
3) GSP
4) Chuck
5) Fitch

Comment by kevin
2008-05-08 12:37:30

your list is off too! Fitch isn’t even top 10 never mind top 5.

1. silva
2. BJ
3. Gsp

it’s p4p, so I think guys like Hendo and vandy (coming off of losses) are above fitch, as well as Fedor. Other than these 3 guys, the list can get flipped around 100 different ways, in none of those ways is Fitch near the list. nice try though

Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 12:47:39

I would normally agree with you BUT my qualifiers are activity/quality wins.

Hendo, Vandy and Fedor do NOT meet my qualifiers.
How many wins in a row does Fitch have?

How often has he fought?

I bet you that its more than your terrific trio…

BTW - I don’t even like Fitch’s style ! LOL

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Comment by kevin
2008-05-08 12:52:41

I respect your opinion, and your right he has laid on..I mean fought lots!! I don’t like his style either, and for no activity is the reason fedor wouldn’t make my top 5 either. Put into your system quality wins and fitch is out!!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Anthony
2008-05-08 12:34:11

I agree with their rankings. They certainly do a performance-based ranking rather than potential. On potential BJ is anywhere between 1-3 with GSP and Anderson. But to get there on a performance ranking he needs to beat Sherk convincingly and have someone like Rampage lose. I don’t see Rampage losing so I’m sorry but the closest BJ is gonna get until he has a rematch with GSP is the 4 slot.

Comment by utaptout
2008-05-08 15:34:02

WTF? Rampage strings together 3 wins, the first against a nobody, and the last against a guy who he’s WAY bigger than and everyone thinks he’s a god. Rampage did not suddenly become such an amazing fighter. Wait until he gets hit again, and you’ll see him crumble away just like he did both times against Wandy and like he did against Shogun.

Comment by jimmy_dean
2008-05-09 12:13:12

Hendo got some pretty good shots in on Rampage that didn’t seem to phase him and Hendo was the last person to KO Wanderlei. Wandy and Shogun didn’t just hit him they overwhelmed him so it’s gonna take more than just a hit. Rampage’s fighting style fits the cage a lot better than a ring in my opinion and that probably has a little bit to do with him getting better but I think mostly he has matured as a fighter (Not as a person, LOL) and is fighting smarter. Rampage is going to remain the champ for a long time.

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Comment by Jeff
2008-05-08 12:35:26

That Faybear kid looks like a beast. Looks like someone I know…just can’t place the face?

I jumped over to Sherdog and confirmed that the list is their top 10 p-4-p list. Man, who the hell over at Sherdog came up with that list?

Comment by Dugout
2008-05-08 15:55:34

Does he remind you of Michael Douglas? That chin is what does it.

 
 
Comment by kama kaze
2008-05-08 12:36:01

GSP is a gymnast infiltrating the fight game… yea and wut?! lol

Comment by chefdaddy
2008-05-09 07:08:23

Are you making a ” Gymkata” reference? hahaha

 
 
Comment by Haze
2008-05-08 12:46:21

1) GSP
2) Silva
3) BJ
4) Faber
5) Rampage

IMO

 
Comment by Josh
2008-05-08 13:03:21

GSP is not number 1. Anderson Silva cleared out UFC’s Middleweight division while GSP has not fought Fitch, Alves, or Sanchez yet.

Comment by kama kaze
2008-05-08 13:25:36

or Jake Shields

 
Comment by Hardcharger
2008-05-08 14:45:58

Anderson only cleaned out the MW division because the UFC has about 50% of the top MWs. GSP has beaten a who’s who of WWs, because the UFC dominates the world at that weight class, the only guy they are missing is Shields.

GSP has one top contender to fight, his next fight, Fitch. After that, Alves may not even be a contender. Hughes will probably take Alves out. And Diego isn’t even a contender, losing 2 of his last 3 fights.

 
 
Comment by efisher
2008-05-08 13:06:51

OJR - How could you possibly put Chuck in the top 5 instead of Rampage, who has KICKED HIS @$$ twice?

Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 13:14:12

Dude,

(sigh) Re-read my qualifiers…

Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 13:27:49

In Defense of Chuck : Since 02/2006

Wanderlei Silva (Win)
Keith Jardine (Loss)
Quinton Jackson (Loss)
Tito Ortiz (Win)
Renato Sobral (Win)
Randy Couture (Win)

All of them are badasses.

Losing to Jardine is not terrible.

Jardine f*cked up Griffin and Griffin is getting a title shot.

Losing to Rampage does not knock him down much because Rampage is a badass.

When Rampage puts a string of badasses like this that he has beat down THEN I will rank him above Chuck.

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Comment by Toms Bombs
2008-05-09 00:32:27

Like Hendo, and Chuck himself? And most likely Forrest. Then whoever else is next in line. Hopefully Wandy pulls through in his next fight, and gets to rematch Liddell. Then Rampage can smash whoever wins.

 
Comment by OJR
2008-05-09 08:14:11

Where is your list? Easy to talk w/o putting out some stuff. Put up or shut up, dude.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Josh
2008-05-08 13:06:52

Pound for pound is rankings regardless of weight. BJ is a natural LW who use to fight WW and even LHWs and did pretty well against them. Hell he sent GSP to the hospital and GSP began to lay n pray his way to victory after the first round. When BJ beats Sherk he should be ranked higher than GSP

 
Comment by theCloser
2008-05-08 13:13:08

Ur-eeh-jah Faybear, hilariously pointed out Mania

 
Comment by b.w.
2008-05-08 13:20:47

gomi and yammamoto over b.j. is inaccurate. other than that sherdog is getting a little better. i still like fops list best. MANIA. when are you guys ever going back to having monthly rankings, yours was pretty accurate, at least ufc-wise, when you were ufcmania. i would like to see an mma version from ya’ll if you have the time. i wouldn’t mind a monthly QandA also if time permitted.

 
Comment by Cool Hand Chad
2008-05-08 13:22:36

What a douche bag.

How are MMA fans suppose to take this seriously at all when the guy hosting it obviously has never followed the sport. He can’t even say Urijah’s name right. Versus plays WEC re-runs enough that the largest name in that company should be said right.

This list is bogus.

 
Comment by wagnerav
2008-05-08 13:38:32

dude, Jon Anik (the announcer) also said “you’re only as good as your next fight.” i thought the saying was “you’re only as good as your LAST fight.” what kind of Bizarro World is this guy living in?

 
Comment by bellio
2008-05-08 13:44:35

rampage shouldnt be on there he got lucky with chuck and couldnt even take out a true 185 guy that anderson did in round 2. let get some of wandei again

Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 13:48:43

Rampage has Chuck’s number. He didn’t get lucky. BUT I agree that Chuck should be ranked higher than Rampage.

Comment by Toms Bombs
2008-05-09 00:42:36

You guys crack me up lol.

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Comment by OJR
2008-05-09 08:17:32

Again, where is your list? Go troll somewhere else, buddy.

 
 
Comment by JV
2008-05-09 11:15:01

OJR I don’t think Rampage has Chucks number, I think it was more that Chuck had dominated the division for so long he got careless. I think the Wandy fight lit a fire in his ass again, and he’ll start dominating again.

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Comment by OJR
2008-05-09 14:41:28

Dude,

He beat up on Chuck in Pride and knocked him senseless in the UFC. Different venues but the same result. How else would you describe that?

 
 
 
 
Comment by irish
2008-05-08 13:52:49

i would say
1. silva
2. GSP
3. rampage
4. penn
5. faber

 
Comment by mmafan
2008-05-08 13:54:32

Did anyone else notice the poster on the wall in the TUF gym on the new series.

It is (Left to Right):
GSP, Rampage, Forrest, Anderson Silva.

I’m trying to find the reasoning behind GSP being in the poster.

Rampage is one coach and the Light Heavy champ, Forrest is the other coach and the challenger, Anderson is the Middleweight champ but..@ the time of taping Serra was still Welterweight champ.
Was Dana just assuming that GSP would get the belt back?
Pretty disrespectful to Serra.

 
Comment by ( (Adam G) )
2008-05-08 13:56:13

Im talking about in the long run, like when its all said and done:
1) BJ Penn
3)A.Silva (Could be #1 if it wasnt for his ground Game)
3)GSP(Could be #1 if it wasnt for his overthinking and mind trips ie; “named a brick Matt Serra and through it into the ocean”
4)Hendo (The only guy left tha fights in more than one weight class)
5)Fedor (As a filler, who else could be on the list LoL But stop fight CANS you *ss!)

Comment by Macho Bullshit
2008-05-08 20:18:06

Lol and what is wrong with Anerson Silva’s ground game? He’s a BJJ Blak Belt for christ sake.

Comment by ( (Adam G) )
2008-05-09 09:31:18

doesnt look like one . . . If he has a weakness, its on the ground. Why do you think everyones goal is to take him down??

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Comment by Pat
2008-05-08 13:56:45

1. Anderson
2. GSP
3. Penn
4. Rampage

 
Comment by Brazilian
2008-05-08 14:05:27

1. Silva
2. GSP
3. Nogueira
4. Rampage
5. Fedor

About Silva, i believe i don’t need to say much, his fights resume everything. GSP just ran into Matt Serra, that isn’t that badass, but is very good too.

Everyone that already has the chance to meet Nogueira knows that he can get killed, but won’t be defeated easily and will submit the opponent (he was defeated by Fedor twice, but if they fight today, Nogueira would easily win)…

Comment by Mrs.Featherbottom
2008-05-08 15:37:06

Nogueira above Fedor because YOU think he’d easily win today. Yeah buddy your a tool. Nogueira lost 2 and a half times to Fedor already and has looked very shaky in his last four fights. YIKES, you must be sparking thinking Frank Mir is anywhere near the top ten. He isn’t even a top ten heavy IMO.

 
 
Comment by jerrolds
2008-05-08 14:09:03

My dream would be for GSP, BJ, Silva to fight each other in some catch weight (173lbs?). After all 3 have fought each other, base the P4P rankings based on each of the fights.

Then again, it might work out to something like this:

Silva beats GSP who beats BJ who beats Silva haha.

Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 14:33:53

Dude,

That is an MMA wet dream, right there. If you throw the right amount of $$$ at them ???

Comment by kevin
2008-05-08 14:39:43

why a catch weight? GSP just wont cut and can be a mw, and BJ will fight at any weight!

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Comment by jerrolds
2008-05-08 15:13:23

ya but the odds are skewed in favor of silva/gsp then since both of their natural body types lie in the mw realm, whereas penn is more of a midsize welterweight.

at least thats my logic haha. id say all at 170 but i dont think silva can cut to that weight since he’s 6′2 and already looks pretty lean

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cory
2008-05-08 14:11:15

1. Anderson
2. GSP
3. Rampage
4. Penn
5. Randy

 
Comment by Yikes
2008-05-08 14:11:30

My ranking is in decending order in UFC.

1 Anderson Silva
2 Rampage
3 GSP
4 B J Penn
5 Chuck Liddell
6 Sherk
7 Big Nog
8 Hughs
9 Henderson
10 W. Silva

Knocking on the door is Fitch, Machida, Jardine and Mir.

With in 2 years I expect any of these guys could be in the top 10. Brock Lesnar, Vera, Danzig,

True P4P would be guys who could drop a division or go up a division and still do excellent.

 
Comment by TKO
2008-05-08 14:23:23

Dan Henderson should be on that list I know I know the last two showing were a loss to LHW champ and MW champ but I think he is pound for pound up there with the best of them.

Dude got an iron chin and heavy hand. I was little disapointed with Silva fight and I thought Quinton had a major size advantage on him. I just like to give him recognition he deserves.

Go Hendo

 
Comment by bostonmmajunkie
2008-05-08 14:50:39

Opinions one and all.

 
Comment by JOE
2008-05-08 14:55:55

ESPN DOES NOT NO ANYTHING ABOUT MMA NOT EVEN CLOSE

 
Comment by clayton
2008-05-08 15:05:10

There will always be several fighters severely out of place in these lists simply due to hype. Top p4p lists drum up excitement in discussion, but are otherwise pure crap.

I don’t think Quinton Jackson belongs in the top 5 and I don’t think Gomi belongs in the top ten. Maybe Gomi belonged prior to the ass whoopin’ he received from Diaz, but certainly not after. BJ might belong in the top 5, but there are too many questions he needs to answer before he earns that right. Fedor belongs in the number 1 or number 2 slot only if he sucks it up and fights a top ten heavyweight. Otherwise this list is pretty solid.

Comment by Wrathowe
2008-05-08 15:26:03

I agree completely. I don’t understand how Rampage got on that list. He knocks out Chuck, and wins razor close decisions against Hendo and Lindland and he’s #2? Come on…

 
 
Comment by efisher
2008-05-08 15:12:31

OJR I understand you saying Chuck has beaten the better competition, but he has been DOMINATED by Page. Plus, he has lost two of his last three fights, and his one win was against a guy who has now lost 3 straight - I know Wandy is a badass but it’s no secret he is on the downside of his career. Chuck should probably be around 8 or 9, but I cant see an objective way of thinking he is above Page RIGHT NOW. 1.5 years ago, sure, but this is a current list.

Comment by OJR
2008-05-08 15:56:23

I respect your opinion but you gotta come up with a list of Page’s victories and compare them to Chuck’s list, bro.

I guarantee it will make your argument harder.

 
 
Comment by bostonmmajunkie
2008-05-08 15:12:54

In my humble opinion … BJ is top 5, no doubt about it. Imagine BJ at LHW or HW. With his BJJ skills, striking, and flexibility, he would do damage to anybody. Think on it.

Comment by liukangstoupee
2008-05-10 01:00:21

Has BJ got a notable win beyond WW? Nope… Losing at LHW doesn’t make him competitive

Besides his size prevents him from competing as competitively as he would at 170. Most fighters can blow up their body mass and compete at a higher weight class. Sherk walks around at 190, GSP at 200, Rampage at 220-230. This doesn’t mean they can just go into any class they want and expect to dominate.

 
 
Comment by naturalshadow
2008-05-08 15:27:00

I know B.J. has a ton of fans, but there is no way in hell B.J. is any higher than 4. Anderson, GSP, and Fedor have to be 1-3 (in what order is hard to say). B.J. is a great fighter, but he has lost more than GSP and Fedor combined. Not to mention, one of those losses was to GSP. Anderson is also dominating in a fashion B.J. never has.

Comment by jerrolds
2008-05-08 15:41:04

I think the reason BJ has a big following (myself included) is that he displays a “Jordanesque” quality about him - he’s not the fastest/strongest guy but he’s one of the most gifted fighters in mma today.

His standup is both accurate as it is devastating, his reflexes are cat-like, and the way he applies his ju-jitsu is so technically overpowering in both offense and defense its like poetry n motion.

GSP and Silva are both very technical sound, GSP’s pure power and athleticism are unmatched and Silva’s accuracy and clinch are crazy scary and you can tell theyve developed their skill thru hard work and training..

It’s just that BJ’s seems to be a “Born for MMA” - with the proper training - his potential is probably higher than GSP/Silva.

My 2cents :P

(Btw these 3 are my favorite fighters haha)

 
 
Comment by jdawg
2008-05-08 15:46:10

f GSP

Comment by jdawg
2008-05-08 15:46:31

oh and Fedor

 
 
Comment by utaptout
2008-05-08 15:54:19

That guy WildMan can kick all of their butts with one hand tied behind his back

 
Comment by Kahaluu caz!
2008-05-08 15:56:08

I dont belive in these so called rankings because every mma fighter will meet his match style wise. Styles do make fights and also they make champions. BJ is my favorite fighter style wise. Thats what makes this sport SO DAMM COOL! You never Know what realy is going to happend. There is always someone out there that has another fighters number. Stats Don’t mean shit in mma,
why because at anytime some mediocre fighter CAN KO your favorite fighter. Some people think GSP is the P4P in the world but he got KO’d by someone who was’nt supposed to.
GSP HAS rebounded but he CAN get KO’d By your favorite fighter and that go’s for BJ, A.S., Fedor,or anybody, thats why we watch.

Comment by kama kaze
2008-05-08 16:11:44

fricken genius post right here.

 
 
Comment by Juice
2008-05-08 16:11:26

1/2 - St. Pierre/Anderson Silva
3 - B.J. Penn
4 - Rampage
5 - Sherk
6/7 - Rich Franklin/Dan Henderson
8 - Randy Couture
9/10 - Faber/Torres

Arlovski at his best could be on there and Nogeira could sneek on… maybe i’ll put fedor in there too, but all relatively untested

 
Comment by blah
2008-05-08 16:11:37

the list is “pound for pound” not best records or most markeatable etc and all that crap people think a “pound for pound” is. So there are only a select few that should even b mentioned in this category. So with that said, BJ is the top guy in this category followed by GSP then in no particular order fedor, silva, couture, henderson and probably machida.

 
Comment by Chadx23
2008-05-08 16:28:38

how is Rampage #2 lol? This list is wack the only thing they got right was Anderson SIlva at #1 I’ll give them GSP at #3 also, BJ should be up there at least top 5…I dunno rankings are all screwed up.

 
Comment by chuteboxe
2008-05-08 16:40:42

Do they really not know how to say Urijah Faber, its not that hard.

 
Comment by efisher
2008-05-08 16:44:55

Your right, my argument is not all that strong comparing Chucks and Pages laundry list of wins. A lot of that is because of our familiarity with UFC fighters as compared to Pride, where Page got most of his wins. Obviously this is just an opinion poll, so the debate could go on forever. I agree with you that he should be on the list, doesn’t seem like many other people are even on the same page as us on that.

 
Comment by mike
2008-05-08 17:25:18

Fedor should be #1 until he loses!

 
Comment by LoKo
2008-05-08 17:47:23

P4P Bj is way up at the top no matter what!

 
Comment by pUniSHment
2008-05-08 18:23:15

Round 4 Round, BJ Penn is top 2 Pound 4 Pound fighter in the world.

 
Comment by Vette
2008-05-08 18:47:03

What is the Bj craze about? Looking at his record it is not that impressive. His last 4 fights he lost to 2 of the best in UFC and his 2 wins are over Stevenson and Pulver(That was tough) How in the world do you think he should be any higher on the list? Even if he somehow gets past Sherk he should not be considered in the top 5. It is easy to look at a winning record and think someone is good but also need to look at who they beat and who they lose to.

Comment by ( (Adam G) )
2008-05-08 20:55:14

Somehow gets past sherk, like if he does it will be by some luck . . .

Comment by Vette
2008-05-08 21:31:05

I am saying which BJ shows up. Sherk is pissed just like BJ was against Jens.

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Comment by Pat
2008-05-09 10:16:51

Yeah, well, Sherk was pissed after the first time GSP took him down, but he proceeded to get tooled the rest of the fight.

 
Comment by ( (Adam G) )
2008-05-09 14:39:57

Thats always gonna be the arguement, nothing to do with his stand up, ground, defense, takedowns, takedown defense . . . I guess i cant argue with that ’til he fights like 11 fights as the new in shape penn. Ithink we know which sherk wil show up, the slower, smaller, unroided sherk. . . And even when BJ wins 11 youll say well hes gotta slow down sometime, hes gotta get ol eventually, we’ll see if this is the time. We’ll see who hes fighting next hopefully not a cardio freak and we’ll see what your arguements are then, “Kenflos elbows from gaurd will cut Penn for the win” Uneducated in the sport of MMA, give yourself 2 more years bro, then open your mouth.

 
 
 
 
Comment by TD
2008-05-08 18:57:14

Where’d they get this donkey from???

Comment by DirtbagHtr
2008-05-08 19:42:48

Obviously he doesn’t follow the sport, and just reads off the cue cards…need to get rid of him.

 
Comment by pUniSHment
2008-05-08 21:07:49

Most of Penn’s fights have benn against big name fighters. Sherk’s record is against a lot of nobody’s. WARRRRR PENNNNNNNNNNNN 4 GOVERNOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Vette
2008-05-08 21:23:45

Noone is saying Sherk is on the top ten list. But it is being said he is ranked above GSP when he lost to GSP. He also lost to Hughes who is not on the list, I know he is your fav but come on.

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Comment by Vette
2008-05-08 20:21:03

If referring to me yes I have only been following the sport for 2 years which leaves me with only whats on paper but I have seen BJ’s last 4 fights and was not impressed. He is talented no doubt but seems to fold when it counts.

Comment by pUniSHment
2008-05-09 02:24:40

I respect your opinion…But that being said you’ve only seen his last four fightds and he’s had a lot of impressive ones throughout his career. I’m not sure how you can’t be impressed with his fights against Pulver and Stevenson. Please explain to me mang..

 
 
Comment by Zach
2008-05-08 21:07:34

You’re all absolutely nuts if you think having MMA on ESPN is a bad thing. You’re sounding like a cliche over-protective fan if you think it can’t help the sport.

ESPN doing stuff like this is really cool, the guy needs improvement no doubt, but it’s crazy to think having ESPN talk about MMA is a bad thing.

Get off your high horse!

 
Comment by c-war
2008-05-08 23:32:29

I disagree with that list, but Bj at 9 is just ridiculous. Did anyone notice Couture’s name was taken off completely? No one likes him anymore I guess (including me but he can still kick some ass)

Here’s mine, but Im expecting some of these rankings not to hold for long after the summer is over with.

1. GSP
2. Silva
3. Fedor
4. Penn
5. Gomi
6. Arlovski
7. Jackson
8. Faber
9. Couture
10. Liddell

 
Comment by mad_drummer
2008-05-09 00:52:42

oh couture’s gone!

 
Comment by UFCAddict
2008-05-09 08:21:51

1 Spider
2 GSP
3 Penn
4 Rampage
5 Nog
6 Faber
7 Sherk
8 Hendo
9 Chuck
10 Franklin

 
Comment by Anonymousf*ck
2008-05-09 10:45:44

You know..Machida is really underated. This guy is not just a well rounded fighter, the guy is really smart and very fustrating(elusive) to his opponent.
I think if he fights Rampage, he might beat rampage, he needs to get past Tito Ortiz. Then his name can be included on this list.

 
Comment by JZ
2008-05-09 13:52:54

i can’t believe he pronounced urijah’s name like that… wow.

 
Comment by JE
2008-06-04 15:37:45

I dont understand all the disrespect that Fedor recieves,I understand that he hasn’t beaten Couture or any other heavyweight except Nog but dont be fooled by his dominance evert time I hear of a fighter having a great ground game Fedor’s name comes up.He’s the only fighter out there right now that will be champion for the long haul.You put any man in any weight class in the ring with Fedor he would have evert belt I khow that sounds fucked up but thats what I want to see the best fighter to come around in a long time until some one beats him he number 1 in any rankings.People want excitement we have BJ Penn out there he’s beendestroyed more then once we have GSP same fucking thing we have Spider out there great fighter but due for a loss soon has 4 loses odds are it will be soon Then we have Fedor the best pound for pound fighter we have on the planet

 
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