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To be honest, Jardine is taller, but I don’t think he is stronger than Wanderlei. When a fighter is bigger, it doesn’t always mean that he is stronger. Wanderlei has good training partners and some excellent sparring, some of them even taller then Jardine. We have planned well…. Wanderlei is always searching for the best training, and by that he wants the best for me. So he said to me that I will always travel to places where I can learn something to add on to his training. I am very happy to have a boss like him. By that, I have the opportunity to grow as a sport scientist. Today, I am studying a new training called HIPOXIA, which consist in a few words in a hard training with low demand of oxygen. This kind of training is developed in other sports and I am bringing it to MMA. It’s a very hard type of training because the athlete must tolerate a huge quantity of lactic acid in the blood.
Rafael Alejarra — personal strength and conditioning trainer for UFC light heavyweight Wanderlei Silva — talks about the preparation of his fighter for the fight against Keith Jardine at UFC 84: “Ill Will” on May 24. “The Axe Murderer” was first seen doing the odd-looking snorkel training on “UFC All Access” prior to his UFC 79 showdown with Chuck Liddell. He lost that fight via unanimous decision, and afterwards, admitted that perhaps he spent too much time conditioning and not enough time sparring. Let’s hope that’s fixed this time around.
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1st!!!
I’m not sure i agree with this training method, too much lactic acid buildup in a short period of time isnt great for the body.
1st would be cool if you had something other than nothing to contribute. You guys got to quit saying first and up your takes. I’m sick of reading John, violentmike and chef’s comments over and over because they seem to be the only guys with a clue. uk and a few others are good too, but this 1st shit is lame~~!!
I agree, I wish that sh*t would just go away. These guys who sit in their cubes all day and just wait for a new story to pop so they can type “1st woo hoo”…get a life outside of your cube and just read the story if you don’t have a quality statement.
Thanks
i just happened to see the article so i jokingly said 1st, no big f’ing deal, chillax.
My statement was that i not a huge fan of his training regimen, its on thing to train at altitude, but what he’s doing causes a big strain on the body in such a little amount of time. this training mite be the reason he lost to chuck b/c he looked tired at many points in the fite. that was my point!!!
Really, I thought it was all those punches that Chuck landed on his face that caused him to lose the fight? I will say that Wandy did show a ton of heart in that fight, and I hope he has a better outing against Jardine.
i hope he rebounds against jardine and shows that old killer instinct he used to. 1st
I really want him to win this fight, but I have a bad feeling about it and see Keith winning a decision (hope I’m wrong)
I have a bad feeling as well, but then again I dont see Jardine’s chin being able to hold up to one of wanderlei’s Bombs. Liddell had Jardine ROCKED in round 1. I expect Wanderlei to come out like the wanderlei of hold…straight attack mode.
People shouldnt worry to much about the size and power difference between Silva and `Jardine. Silva is battle tested against some big ass LHW, like Rampage and he is proven to hold up against heavyweights like Cro Cop (the 1st fight), Mark Hunt, and Fujita. If Hunt had a problem knocking wanderlei out, it wont be easy for Jardine.
I love keithe Jardinre, and he does not get the credit he deserves, but I cant pick against wanderlei. I just cant do it!
I’m just glad we’re talking about this fight finally. I think BJ and Tito win, and this might be the most up in the air match up of the night. I hope Silva wins, I’m not a big fan of Jardine (thats right going against the American for all those morons who say I only like US fighters)
Rampage is not really that big of a LHW. And does anyone remember the VICIOUS knockout that Jardine took at the hands of Houston Alexander? Alexander is probably about the size of Wandy, if not smaller. Wanderlei might very well do that to him too. I hope Wandy wins this one because a 4th straight loss would be tragic for his career. I don’t think Jardine is all that great a fighter, just one with good knockout power and decent striking. He fought the best fight he possibly could against Liddell, and those leg kicks were key. He didnt pressure him too much, and he picked his spots, so he didnt get KO’ed by chucks counter like most guys do.
Wandy stands at about 5′10″ and walks around at 206 pounds, Houston stands about 6′0″ and walks around at 215 to 220. Much bigger than Wandy, but Wandy is definitely more battle tested and once Jardine feels the power of the “Axe Murderer’s” punches he’ll know he’s in for a nasty fight!
Are you certain that Wandy walks around at 206? If that were the case it seems a drop to 185 would be a no-brainer…205 in the UFC is much bigger than 205 in pride…I think it would be a big benefit for him.
this is going to be an awesome fight! they are both very un orthodox strikers who throw punches from crazy angles and both men can take a shot for the most part. keith is coming off of a huge win against chuck and wanderlei is coming off of a loss against him.keith showed against chuck that he is a very hard fighter to counter and his display of leg kicks in that fight were amazing!!!!!! wanderlei has proven himself many times in the past! i mean he has beat rampage twice and both with devastating fashion! i think wanderlei has the veteran edge in this fight but it is going to be good either way !
read utapouts post…its good….Chuck vs. Wanderlei was an easy win for Jardine because it was the same old come out and punch Chuck…easy to make a game plan for. Jardine didnt throw punches from crazy angles, he just kept Chuck’s timing off by throwing a ton of leg kicks and hooks, nothing too fancy there. Chuck vs. Wanderlei was Chuck in a different mode. More cautious striking and takedowns? what!? Chuck!? He was actually fighting smart against Wanderlei. I think Jardine will lose, but I think it will be a close fight. Whoever gets caught first is goin down I think. Adn I believe Wanderlei is more hungry for the WIN
Thanks for the kudos, but I have a slight disagreement. What you say is a smart fight, was what I called fighting for a decision. I lost alot of respect for chuck when he started taking Wanderlei down. He knew he wouldn’t be able to put Wandy away on the ground, but he did it anyway to bide his time instead of going for the KO. I know TD’s and ground game are part of the game and all but it was Chuck Liddell for gods sake. It was the first time Id ever seen him initiate a ground attack, if thats what you could call it. Obviously I’m a biased old school pride fan and Wanderlei is like a god to me, but I was very disappointed and a little pissed off when Chuck pulled that crap. Anyway, I hope Wanderlei knees Jardine’s head into the 10th row in this fight.
Please win Wandy!!
Wand just doesnt seem to be the same…. I think Keith will catch him.
yah go silva but i also like jardin so im not sure who to root for mane.
Great comments already in this post.
I too, have a bad feeling about this fight. I am rooting strongly for Wanderlei, but Keith Jardine always proves to be a spoiler to fan favorites.
Forrest Griffin was undefeated in the UFC up until the Jardine fight (call the Ortiz fight how ever you want). Griffin is getting his title shot now, but if he beat Jardine he may have already had a crack at Liddell when he was champ.
Chuck Liddell has lost his belt, and needed to get back on the winning path so they can him fighting for the title ASAP. SO the UFC books a weak main event of Liddell/Jardine. And what happens, Jardine wins.
Wanderlei Silva is one of the greatest and well like MMA fighters of all time. Since MMA went mainstream, the average fan has only seen his fight in the UFC against Liddell where he lost a close decision. Even fans that didn’t know who Wandi was, applauded him after that fight. He is a TRUE warrior. But now he must face, Kieth Jardine.
Hopefully we will the Axe Murderer on top of his game and just tear Jardine apart. I want Jardine to consider Houston ALexander freindly after the beatdown from Silva.
I like most, have a back feeling about this fight as well. If Jardine does somehow beat Wanderlei, it’ll be by decision (I REALLY don’t see him KO’ing the Axe Muderer) then his new nickname will officially be Keith “The Party Pooper” Jardine because he is always messing up the top of the division.
i think jardine has the tools however to win this fight this ! you had a great post ! jardine was a huge underdog to chuck and look what happned! it could very well happen again ! i like you like both fighters however i want wanderlei to win just so he can showcase his skills to people who dont know him pre ufc. i did know him and follow him when he was fighting in pride and when he fought in the ufc in the early years. he is a total beast! and to give him fair judgment he has only lost to greats for the most part ! still i just cant in my head count out jardine! he has alot of talent !
VM: I also think Jardine can only win by decision. With that said it gives Wanderlei 15 minutes to Knock him out.
We have to see how Jardine deals with wanderlei’s initial explosion. Jardine is going to have to weather a couple storms in that fight to make it to a decision.
Wanderlei put on a memorable performance against Chuck, but it wasnt even close to what he is capable of. Having already fought Chuck in the Octagon (in 1 of the biggest fights EVER), I expect him to be much more comfortable this time around, which hopefully will spell trouble for Jardine. Keep in mind that Jardine has not fought in 8 months. Will there be any ring rust? Not sure.
Hopefully we get to see Wanderlei’s infamous Tai Clinch against Jardine. If wanderlei can lock his hand behind
Keith’s neck (tai clich), There is a good chance that Wanderlei will make keith eat knees till he drops!
Jardine is very dangerous however. I just really dont see Keith Knocking out wanderlei. I suspect that Wandy will be ready for Keiths leg kicks. Everytime Keith throws a leg kick, wanderlei has to make him pay with a right cross. This fight does worry me, but I give Wanderlei a great shot at knocking Jardine out. If Houston could do it, you know wanderlei can!
I have to think Jardine’s training partner and BFF Rashad Evans will have Jardine ready to wrestle his way out of those Thai clinches and into some greco clinches or whatever Henderson uses. I think Jardine will use those kicks of his to wear on Wandy and give him something extra to think about in their stand-up exchanges. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Jardine take a decision. If Chuck couldn’t knock Wandy out I don’t think Jardine will either, but he will pick him apart for a UD.
PW: Everything in your post is very accurate IMO. The only difference I see is that Chuck didnt go after Jardine really after the 1st round. He just sat back and took those kicks and tried to counterpunch. If things dont go wanderlei’s way, he is gonna go ballz to the wall and really go after Jardine, so I think it will be a much different fight!
I agree. With all do respect to Jardine, I thought he was gonna be killed after watching the first round. Then,for some reason it seemed like Chuck was not the same fighter that we have seen in every other fight, and backed off. It may have been due to Jardine’s gameplan, but I think that it had more to do with him just not being the same after the first and only time he has been knocked out in his career. He was a totally different fighter when he faced Wand.
I don’t think Wanderlei will make that same mistake.
Violent Mike: No Jardine nickname would be complete without a mention of his German YouTube TechnoViking doppelgaenger. Maybe some mention of Mike Myers’ SNL character Dieter from Sprockets. “Now is the time on Shprockets ven ve dance.”
Comparing Silva to Jardine on paper, Silva comes out on top. However, in a Liddell/Jardine pre-fight comparison most would have picked Liddell. What happened there could happen now. If Jardine uses his smarts against Silva the way he did against Liddell, he could end up with a 3 round decision. However, he’s not flying under anyone’s radar now so I expect a Silva TKO RD 2.
DJ: U make a great point that Jardine is not flying under the radar anymore. Keep in mind, wanderlei was sitting in like the 5th row of the Jardin/Liddell fight so there is no way that wanderlei underestimates Jardine.
This fight will be very interesting and entertaining. The only thing that would surprise me is if Jardine KO’s Wanderelei. Maybe Jardine takes him down at some point. No one has ever seen his ground game, but allegedly its supposed to be pretty good. I remember when he was on TUF 2, the gameplans that Rich Franklin gave him where to take his opponents down and use his ju jitsu to submit him. So Rich had to see a high level of ju jitsu in Jardine’s game to make him want to pass up on his brutal stand up and take the fights to the ground. Jardine never really followed the game plans so we never really got to see his ground game, but Jardine comes from a smart camp, and they may take a page out of chucks strategy and go for some unexpected takedowns.
Hopefully not. I dont want to see a ground fight out of these 2. I love Ju JItsu but this fight is put together for Fireworks. Hopefully Jardine doesnt Bitch like Chuck did and take him down at the end of a few rounds!
You can’t ever write off a fighter and most people do that to Jardine. He’s kinda weird throwing his hands in the air when he fights. But he’s got great kicks and great power in his hands. Wandy really needs to be ready, hope Wandy does well cause it would be 4 straight loses if he dosen’t.
I am so pumped for this fight. Houston exposed Jardine’s chin and I don’t think this fight will be any different. Jardine will not underestimate Wandi so it may last a little longer, but he will not deal well with the in your face pressure of Wandi. Wandi TKO Round 2.
If you are going to count Houston’s KO against Jardine then you also have to credit Jardine for not getting KO’d against Liddell after his allegedly weak chin was exposed. Houston was an unknown quantity at the time and probably surprised the hell out of Jardine. Chuck had to know Jardine was susceptible to the KO after seeing the Houston fight but couldn’t get the KO, or even the win.
Chuck is known for being a counter puncher and he lost a split decision in on of the worst and most lackluster preformances of his career. And do you really think Jardine knew nothing about Houston. He may have underestimated him, but I gaurentee he knew his stlye and couldn’t deal with it. Wanderlei is 10 times the fighter Houston is with a similar, in your face style. Jardine will not be able to handle him.
yeah alot like soko. he caught alot of guys off guard, but when he fought someone who was ready for him(machida) he kinda got exposed a little. soku still has a great future ahead, but i wonder about houston.
he always seems to lose with muff hair.shaved head I say he takes it though.
Does anyone know anything about Jardines ground game? Being a BJJ black belt, maybe Wandy will throw him a curve and go for a TD and try to submit him. lol…what am I saying?! I’d rather see a devastating KO like the old Wanderlei but most important is for him to get back in the win collumn. Besides, who wouldn’t want to see Wandy execute a textbook armbar? That would be the shcok of the century! lol
mania, why is it that half the time when i post comments, they dont show up?
lol…nevermind
Violent Mike: Keith “The Party Pooper” Jardine, lol, good stuff!
Longtime reader, 1st post.
Great points made so far…
Wandy has been my fav fighter for the longest but he hasn’t been the same in a while. He seems to have no flexibility in his punches anymore (remember the Sakaraba 1-2 straight punch knockout?). Now he seems too muscular, all short hooks with no accuracy. I hope he wins old Axe Murderer relentless style…no more friendly Wandy.
Anyways, the reason i had to post are to those saying Jardine has a weak chin. Now I hate Jardine as much as the next guy (mainly for derailing Forrest), but man, Houston hit him with like eleventy of the cleanest death blows ever…and eventually he succumbed. The man proved to me (in that ass whooping) that he can take a punch.
Lets go Wandy!!
I’ll be pulling for Wanderlei for sure on this one, he needs it BAD! But I don’t think he’s going to be as savage as he was in PRIDE.
I hope he knocks Jardine’s head off his shoulders. lol
I want to see see silva and rampage after this one. Unless forrest beats rampage very unlikely but still possible. If that’s the case then winner of Shogan and Chuck should get the title shot.
I don’t really care to see rampage and a scary chuck fight again.
i have become a big wandi fan since he came to the ufc. i saw most of his fights in pride and thought he was great, but didnt know much about him. but since coming to the states he has tried very hard to learn english and in all of his interviews he comes off as a man w/ great charachter,very humble, respectful and still hungry! im not worried wandi will win this one but it is he that will win by dec. not jardine. wandi has to win this one that would be 4 in a row.
Jardine has a very unorthodox style that gives a lot of people trouble timing his punches. Tha’s what happened to Chuck. And Alexander was a 2 punch 2 knee wonder. Everyone has a puncher’s chance in a fight. Alexander got lucky twice, but if you all remember Jardine had Alexander on the ground a couple times.
I wanna see Wandy win this fight, and I think he will. Its going to be an absolute slugfest and I can’t wait!
this training regimen is cool and all but i hope wand is prepared strategically because jardine is a smart fighter.
I don’t know if it’s Jardine so much as it is Greg Jackson. That dude is a genius.
yea good point. diego needed him against fitch.
Is he still training Sherk?
You’re thinking of Greg Nelson of Minnesota Martial Arts Academy. Greg Jackson’s camp is in New Mexico, with guys like GSP, Jardine, Evans, Marquardt, and formerly Diego Sanchez.
I want Wandarei to win so bad. I want him to shine in UFC!
I think Wandy will do a whole this time around then when he did against Chuck, because the fights where Wandy KO’d all of fighters in Pride was when he would corner them in that ring. The octagon is way different and now he has the experience and has hopefully adapted. Dont get me wrong he did well against Chuck and held that chin down of his, and was taking some crazy punches. Which frustrated the hell outta chuck….leading to him taking him down to run the time out. IMO.
Go Wandy KO rnd 1 Flying Knee!
I sure do miss the days of Wandy in Pride, he was a striking savage. Watching him fight Rampage was a MMA wet dream. I am really pulling for him in this fight so he can get started on a winning streak. I would love to see him feared in the UFC more than he is now.
OMG I would love to see him destroy Rampage again just like he did the first two times…I bet he gets a shot if he can string together 2 or 3 wins in a row. Thing is, I would also love to see Shogun take him out again. Rampage has got to have Chute Boxe in his head at least a little bit.
Wandy needs to add a little more technique and fitness to his fights. Coming out there trying to stand with a striker like chuck was a bad idea. He needed more leg kicks in there to distract chuck like Jardine did. He gives up reach just like in the chuck fight and jardine is a good striker. Not sure about Jardine’s chin but if wandy comes out all wild he could get caught and Jardine does have some power. I hope he came up with a good plan.
Go Wanderlei, I’m hoping to see the Wanderlei of old. If Chuck couldn’t knock Wandy out then there is no way that Jardine can. The only way that Jardine wins this fight is by decision but I’m hoping that Wanderlei will finish him. Although I think Jardine’s unorthodox style could be bad for wandy, I have to go with my boy Wanderlei to win by TKO in the second round. War Wanderlei!!!!
I’m going to be rooting for Wandy in this fight. But please, cut out the snorkeling and just focus on the fighting. The style you brought over from Pride and won you so many fights is the reason you are here!
I want to see Wandy come out like the “Axe Murderer” of old and destroy Jardine, I don’t think Jardine is on the same level as Wandy and that will be proven at UFC 84!
thats kinda funny ray, not on the same level huh. lets see he beat forrest via tko, he beat chuck by decision. griffin is about to fight for title, chuck just beat wandi. but he is just not on the same level right, i can see why you say that. real funny
Hi, well im mexican and i always write in spanish, i know a little bit of english, but i know that a lot of people love mma fights and they dont know english, so thats why i will write in spanish… so, sorry if u guys dont understand
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bueno, primero que nada pienso q wanderlei silva es un excelente luchador, imagino q el uso de esa camarade oxigeno y el aumento de acido lactico es para poder soportar mas y q su entrenamiento sea mas intenso, pero debe tener cuidado porque es igual muy peligroso y puede terminar muy mal…
excelente pelea que vamos a ver en ufc 85, espero ver ganar a wanderlei y regresar para una revancha contra chuck liddell…
;D!!
I really wish people would stop making excuses for Chuck, bottom line is he got beat, he could not handle Jardine and lost. Keith also knocked Chuck flat of his back, and Wandi. could not do that. Some people act as though they have no clue, and refuse to give credit where credit is due. Jardine has beat Chuck convincingly yet Chuck’s in line for a title shot. I hope Jardine beats him down, so that Dana and you people have to give him the respect he deserves.
You make a valid argument, but don’t forget the brutal KO from Houston Alexander. That lowered his stock some, and he only won one fight since then. Sure he beat chuck, but he didnt KO him. If he can beat Silva, he will earn a title shot, sooner than later if he can KO him.
my concern for my favorite mma fighter, wanderlei silva, isn’t his size. that alone will not be enough for jardine to beat him. my concern is that, for whatever reason, wanderlei will do what he did in his match vs. liddell; that is, fight according to his opponents preferences and strngths. wanderlei’s many mma skills, most notably muay thai, were not on display against liddell. it appeared to be all stand-up and primarily with the hands—chuck’s strength and preference. i saw no knees, flying or otherwise and very little in the way of takedown attempts. had wanderlei fought his own fight instead of chuck’s, i’m certain it would have been liddell appearing to be intimidated instead of the other way around. look for wanderlei, who is humble enough to learn from his mistakes, to serve jardine (a good fighter but very unimpressive vs alexander and fortunate to have gotten a decision vs liddell as the match looked drawish) a huge helping of brazilian whoop-a$$. re penn and sherk: penn is great with jiu-jitsu but underestimation of sherk will prove foolish and dangerous (ala serra - gsp in their 1st match). it’s funny to hear commentators give the nod to penn re striking power. from my perspective, sherk appears to hit not just harder but noticeably so. re ortiz-machida: tito is still tough and crazy too but looked somewhat lackadaisical vs. evans whom he should have handled. machida is undefeated, very skilled especially at submissions and though lacking tito’s power, is, unlike tito, dead serious. most gave him little chance vs. sokudju and we saw what happened there. i see machida giving tito a big wake-up call assuming machida realizes success in this fight will take him from being a relative unknown despite a great 12-0 record (due to less than exciting fights) to a big name in ufc/mma.