Comments on: Ken Shamrock officially sues the UFC http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/ UFC news, event schedules, fight analysis, Octagon predictions, UFC fighters and MMA thoughts Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:31:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: knowitall http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-454316 knowitall Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:41:22 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-454316 I agree b.w., Shamrock should not be allowed to fight again. I really like the guy and respect everything he did for MMA. I just worry about his health, when you start seeing a guy bruise that bad after fights, he really is in jeopardy of a brain injury. I agree b.w., Shamrock should not be allowed to fight again. I really like the guy and respect everything he did for MMA. I just worry about his health, when you start seeing a guy bruise that bad after fights, he really is in jeopardy of a brain injury.

]]> By: BigB http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-454199 BigB Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:51:39 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-454199 The UFC is a great organization with many flaws. I think that Randy Couture will benefit from any comments that the UFC makes on Ken Shamrock. Apparently, they make up the rules as they go and when they see fit. Ultimately, a good company could lose good fighters and fans alike if issues like this keep coming up. Dana, in my opinion, is a genius in how he had a goal and has conquered the market. However, one bad business decision with a beloved fighter or fighters could spoil his dreams. I am sure there are things we are not aware of behind the scenes, but how can they release one and not release the other. Of course we know it's about the money for all parties in most cases, but it's really to bad that it has to be this way. I predict that if UFC is in the spot light to many times that when fighters contracts are over they are going to search out ohter promoters even if they get paid less to feel more appreciated. Appreciation goes a long ways and ultimately decides who stays and who doesn't. The UFC is a great organization with many flaws. I think that Randy Couture will benefit from any comments that the UFC makes on Ken Shamrock. Apparently, they make up the rules as they go and when they see fit. Ultimately, a good company could lose good fighters and fans alike if issues like this keep coming up. Dana, in my opinion, is a genius in how he had a goal and has conquered the market. However, one bad business decision with a beloved fighter or fighters could spoil his dreams. I am sure there are things we are not aware of behind the scenes, but how can they release one and not release the other. Of course we know it’s about the money for all parties in most cases, but it’s really to bad that it has to be this way. I predict that if UFC is in the spot light to many times that when fighters contracts are over they are going to search out ohter promoters even if they get paid less to feel more appreciated. Appreciation goes a long ways and ultimately decides who stays and who doesn’t.

]]> By: b.w. http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-453916 b.w. Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:51:30 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-453916 everyone wants to fight for them though. and i think they are notoriusly one-sided to fighters who cant perform anymore. its that way in all sports, fair or unfair everyone wants to fight for them though. and i think they are notoriusly one-sided to fighters who cant perform anymore. its that way in all sports, fair or unfair

]]> By: b.w. http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-453901 b.w. Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:47:50 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-453901 shamrock should be banned from mma. he has deteriorated so bad that no sanctioning body should allow him to fight again. of course japan would be the exclusion, they would let ken fight a cardboard cut-out of himself as long as it sold tickets. shamrock should be banned from mma. he has deteriorated so bad that no sanctioning body should allow him to fight again. of course japan would be the exclusion, they would let ken fight a cardboard cut-out of himself as long as it sold tickets.

]]> By: john http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-453218 john Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:10:39 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-453218 Clayton: I would have to agree. The outcome would probably influence the couture ruling. The only problem is that court cases are extremely messy and i am not so sure that the courts will come up with a ruling on Shamrock's case before they come up with a ruling on the Couture case! Clayton: I would have to agree. The outcome would probably influence the couture ruling. The only problem is that court cases are extremely messy and i am not so sure that the courts will come up with a ruling on Shamrock’s case before they come up with a ruling on the Couture case!

]]> By: knowitall http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-453089 knowitall Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:52:00 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-453089 PW, you backed up what the guy said that the UFC interprets it's contracts. For someone to say Randy's contract says this, and Shamrock's contract says this, dude really that did not make you look smart. I mean as though you have read the contracts. Shamrock is not saying he wants to fight, he is simply saying I want my contractual pay. Anyone who says the cases are different, come on, they are both about one word retirement sounds the same to me. I also wouldn't be surprised if Randy and his attorney wasn't behind this, since the UFC's actions on this will have direct implications on his case. Big Jake I have signed contracts with some of the biggest companies in this world, and have never even heard of a contract that states after you retire you can't work somewhere else. His contract probably states that while under contract to the UFC, he can't promote, nor fight for another company. The question will be how the judge interprets Shamrocks contract. PW, you backed up what the guy said that the UFC interprets it’s contracts. For someone to say Randy’s contract says this, and Shamrock’s contract says this, dude really that did not make you look smart. I mean as though you have read the contracts. Shamrock is not saying he wants to fight, he is simply saying I want my contractual pay. Anyone who says the cases are different, come on, they are both about one word retirement sounds the same to me. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Randy and his attorney wasn’t behind this, since the UFC’s actions on this will have direct implications on his case. Big Jake I have signed contracts with some of the biggest companies in this world, and have never even heard of a contract that states after you retire you can’t work somewhere else. His contract probably states that while under contract to the UFC, he can’t promote, nor fight for another company. The question will be how the judge interprets Shamrocks contract.

]]> By: Clayton http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-452930 Clayton Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:58:03 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-452930 No one but Randy and the UFC knows what Randy's contract actually says. These two cases are different, sure, but the wording in the clauses about retirement could be similiar or even identical. No one but Randy and the UFC knows what Randy’s contract actually says. These two cases are different, sure, but the wording in the clauses about retirement could be similiar or even identical.

]]> By: YSA http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-452928 YSA Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:55 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-452928 Doesnt this guy have friends who can tell him that he is washed up and ready to do something else.Why or who do you want to fight in the UFC? Doesnt this guy have friends who can tell him that he is washed up and ready to do something else.Why or who do you want to fight in the UFC?

]]> By: Big Jake http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-452921 Big Jake Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:52:35 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-452921 These are two totally different cases! They seem similar, but they're really not. Randy's contract says that he can retire, but not retire from the UFC and fight for another organization. When Ken retired his contract was voided and nullified. The wording in the contracts is different. Ken doesn't have what it takes to be competitive so why should the UFC promote a fight that isn't good for them, or the fighter. Yes Shamrock is a warrior, but no one wants to see a punch drunk Ken getting his skull crushed anymore! Ken I thank you for all that you have done for the sport, but know when to say when. You're a competitor at heart and we all appreciate that, no one with any respect for the sport wants to see a Hall of Famer end up like Rocky! These are two totally different cases! They seem similar, but they’re really not. Randy’s contract says that he can retire, but not retire from the UFC and fight for another organization. When Ken retired his contract was voided and nullified. The wording in the contracts is different. Ken doesn’t have what it takes to be competitive so why should the UFC promote a fight that isn’t good for them, or the fighter. Yes Shamrock is a warrior, but no one wants to see a punch drunk Ken getting his skull crushed anymore! Ken I thank you for all that you have done for the sport, but know when to say when. You’re a competitor at heart and we all appreciate that, no one with any respect for the sport wants to see a Hall of Famer end up like Rocky!

]]> By: john http://mmamania.com/2008/04/21/ken-shamrock-officially-sues-the-ufc/#comment-452873 john Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:57:10 +0000 http://mmamania.com/?p=5966#comment-452873 Pw: i believe u may be right. Its not like they cut him, he chose to retire, then he decided to come back and fight for other organizations, so why shold he now be allowed to come back to the UFC and fight for the amount of his old contract? Shamrock basically did to the UFC, what Couture is trying to do....Retire from the UFC, but fight with other organizations. Couture may be able to argue that he is trying to do exactly what Shamrock did. The UFC did not block Shammy from fighting in other organizations so why should they be allowed to block Couture? Tell Shamrock to beat it! He probably has another fight against Tito waiting for him on some EliteXC CBS card! Pw: i believe u may be right. Its not like they cut him, he chose to retire, then he decided to come back and fight for other organizations, so why shold he now be allowed to come back to the UFC and fight for the amount of his old contract?

Shamrock basically did to the UFC, what Couture is trying to do….Retire from the UFC, but fight with other organizations. Couture may be able to argue that he is trying to do exactly what Shamrock did. The UFC did not block Shammy from fighting in other organizations so why should they be allowed to block Couture?

Tell Shamrock to beat it! He probably has another fight against Tito waiting for him on some EliteXC CBS card!

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