In Frank Shamrock’s eye’s, he has only actually lost one fight, to Yuki Kondo in Pancrase. ALthough, at this point, he’d probably think of some way to say that he should have won that fight.

Well Cung Lee started to catch Sharock’s Chin in the first round, so ha.

One UFC record that Frank has that will never be broken is the total time it took to win the belt, and successfully defend it for the first time. Frank won the belt with a 16 second submission over Kevin Jackson. Then he had his first successfull defence against Igor Zinoviev in 22 seconds - that was the first slam KO that I ever saw. So in 38 seconds Frank won the UFC championship and defended it. THAT is amazing.

Frank has said he lost this fight, and only a blind asshole will seriously try arguing that he hadn’t started turning the tide against Cung in the third and winning the last half of the third. He had him rocked and hurt for the last half of the round.

Now that is funny. “I don’t think it was going to be me if my arm didn’t break”…Dammit Arm, if you could have held up just a little longer.

No Frank! NO!

LOL, I put money on Frank…that said cung le dominated him for 3 rounds. Frank had a chance at the end of the 3rd, but couldn’t continue. Could he have won the fight? yes, did he…not even close.

I’ve said it before, elitexc will ride this one, Frank will take le down and submit him in the rematch setting up a great 3rd matchup. They will ride this match up like they ride Kimbo…He won’t face a contender who has ground game or decent standup until he stops selling out arenas, which isn’t any time soon

I saw the end of the 3rd round and it looked like Frank was getting the better of the exchanges he had cung li backing up and eating punches. didnt watch the whole fight thogh so cant comment…

is he an alcoholic? sure sounds like one.

to bad. so sad. shoulda took care of buisness the 1rst time around. if le fights lawler i can guarentee he will take le down (or at least try to). i know that the stand-up is lawler’s strong point, but le’s is stronger. dont forget lawler trains w/ matt hughes and under mfs for years and they know a thing or two about takedowns.

Excuses, Excuses!

He won’t fight Lawler. He’s too dangerous an opponent, would mess up the whole Shamrock-Cung rematch. Expect a hand picked, average stand up guy for Cung to easily knock off before Shamrock’s rematch.

Lawler’s next fight is with Scott Smith slated for May 31, should be a fun one if Lawler manages to stay fit for it.

That’s like saying “I would have won had I not been knocked out.” It isn’t like he slipped and fell. Le broke his arm. Le ended the fight.

Wow, I guess Frank wasn’t watching the same fight I was and he was in the damn thing. That third round was completely dominated by Cung, and I don’t know if that was due to the broken arm or what, but he was being absolutely crushed. Strange thing to say from Shamrock in my opinion.

shamrock should’ve taken le down to begin with. this is the consequence shamrock must face for good.

next fight… winner: round 2/shamrock by submission

Typical Frank. “I had him right where I wanted him!” *SNAP* “Or….maybe not.”

when shamrock was in the ufc he fought nobodys u herd me v.mike

Can’t wait to seem them battle it out again. Just hope Frank doesn’t get Cung down and submit him too soon, I want to see a war.

More top fights from Strikeforce/EliteXC/Cage Rage please. The three of them have a good thing going together, long may it last.

NanShoBudo, nobody knows what fight you were watching if you think Cung was “dominating” in the third.

Frank has no cardio. Take a close look at his last two fights. He was spent after Baroni fight. Even 5 minutes later in the interview he could not catch his breathe. And he was hanging on Goldberg just to keep standing. In the Le fight he collasped at the end of the 3rd. In my opinion, he collasped from exhaustion not his arm. He is as full of crap as Tito is.

Is this guy delusional? Well guess what, I coulda won the lottery too, if I had only bought a ticket! Moron. I’ll give him the respect that yes, he is a good/great fighter but don’t play into your opponents strength/your weakness. Take the bastard down, pound him out or submit him. His ego and stupidity cost him the belt and nothing else.

can you say, denial?

Honestly….Frank is right here. He was putting a beating on Le in the 3rd and I could see him taking the 4th if his arm was alright. We’ll get to see a rematch though.

To say Le was “dominating” the third round might be an exaggeration - but not much of one.

Le was clearly winning early in the round, then Shamrock rallied briefly and landed some good shots that *almost* had Le in trouble - but almost doesn’t count, and Le came back and pounded Shamrock until he was leaning up against the cage to keep standing, cringing away from Le’s blows. He was seconds away from a knockdown, not even counting the broken arm. Which, as others pointed out, didn’t happen in a freak accident between rounds, it was the result of the beating he took.

Shamrock is a good salesman that does really well for himself in the minor leagues - but he knows that if he tried a shot at the UFC again, he’d just end up as a stepping stone for whatever prominent fighters the UFC wanted to make more visible, and Ken Shamrock had that covered. It just cracks me up when people actually buy into his hype.

Why you say that if you lost three round? Excuses, excuses!
Le really mangled yo ass up, if you win the last two rounds, Le still win anyway so shut the fuck up!

If not for the Frank’s cracked arm and skull, and the fact that Le handily won the fight, I think Frank could have won it.

i hope the winner of Lawler vs. Smith should get Le next.it would be awesome to see one of these guys,(preferably Hands of Steel) against Le.
i am a fan of both of these guys ,but i think Scott has a better chance against Le.unless Robbie learned how to defend leg kicks, remember what Pete Spratt did to him.even though Frank hit Cung ,i still dont think that his chin was really tested.Frank is good but he cant throw like Ruthless or Hands of Steel.
i would like to see Frank vs. Ken, wonder what weight they would fight at.
IMO the rematch with Le should be made in the next 12 - 16 months even if Le loses the belt.

“I would have one if I hadn’t lost.” - Frank Shamrock

s/one/won

Come on guys, Frank totally had him in the stand up. Just like Houston’s kids have hit him harder than James Irvin did. Totally believable….

“when shamrock was in the ufc he fought nobodys u herd me v.mike”

Shawn, just because you weren’t watching MMA back then, and since only one of his UFC opponents has been on reality TV (Tito Ortiz), I can understand why you would say that. He was the champion in the UFC - he fought the best they had to offer.

If Frank didn’t walk away from MMA for 6 years because the risk (injuries) were not worth the reward (small pay days), his legacy would be VERY different.

Yeah, and if your Aunt had balls she’d be your uncle, Hoss.

VM:
If Frank didn’t walk away from MMA for 6 years because the risk (injuries) were not worth the reward (small pay days), his legacy would be VERY different.

No doubt. If FS had kept fighting and stayed healthy, he would be lauded even more as a pioneer than he is now.

Bottom line is FS is a very skilled, very tough and well rounded MMA fighter in the twilight of his career. He is so full of himself with an ego like King Kong, that he is easy to hate (I hate him), but you have to respect his ability.

FS’s ego did him in against Le. If he had taken Le to the ground it would have been over in the 1st, but FS wanted to show he could stand with Le…and started to reel him in before the cue break.

FS made no excuses, gave Le props as the better man and said “Cung Le broke my arm”. What more could anyone ask for? Despite all the pre-fight, it was a war that ended with respect for and from both fighters. The whole event did not disappoint, it was a pretty good card, and for FREE (sho)!

FS’s ego did him in against Le. If he had taken Le to the ground it would have been over in the 1st, but FS wanted to show he could stand with Le…and started to reel him in before the cue break.
i agree , but he couldnt seem to get past Les front kicks.Cung used his kicks to keep Frank at a distance. if he could have gotten by them im sure he would have taken Cung down & looked for a sub.

As much as he is wrong he does kind of have a point. Seemed like Frank was catching Le a lot more often in the 3rd round and almost knocked him out at one point. Give Shammy some credit, he stood with a great striker for 3 rounds when he probably could have easily taken him down and submitted him.

i’m starting to wonder if frank was even able to take Le down if he had wanted to. maybe frank’s knees are so shot that he can’t make a decent take down attempt any longer and just played up the whole “i’ll be Le at this own game” thing to overshadow is bad knees.

Well you gonna love Frank. But quite honestly, Le nailed him on the stand up. Even as a die hard Frank supporter, i have to admit that. Although i still believe Frank is a better all round athelete because of his ground skills. If Cung does not beef up his ground work, he might end being submitted a Ju-Jistu guy. But hey he’s probably working more on take down defenses.

He didn’t use because of his strategy NOT because Cung Le didn’t let him.
Anyone who who believes Shamrock couldn’t take Cung to the ground at all should look at the Shamrock VS. Dan Henderson fight.
Not many MMA stars have that kind of good ground work.

Here’s how Frank game plan look like:
1. Stand up with Cung Le even if it hurts up to Round 4
2. Take Cung Le down and submit him

Excellent - worked nicely with Phil Baroni

The only error in this algorithm is that Cung Le’s KICKS CAN BREAK YOU ARM!!
Now Frank knows that and will correct that. I’m sure looking forward to Cung Le vs Frank Shamrock II.

Levi:
i agree , but he couldnt seem to get past Les front kicks.Cung used his kicks to keep Frank at a distance. if he could have gotten by them im sure he would have taken Cung down & looked for a sub.

Levi, He could have and would have. FS said he would fight stand-up, never even attempted a shot, and invited Le into his guard once (Le declined). He wanted to beat Le at his own game. If he had shot and sub’d Le, all the zombies would be crying and saying how he couldn’t handle the stand-up.

There is no D for a cue break like that against a powerful leg kick. Check out the straight right FS throws after the break….OUCH!

I am happy for Le, but any decent BJJ fighter will own him…FS will probably put him to sleep in the rematch if he fights his own fight. Since it is FS we are talking about, he might just rip an armbar to even the broken arms on the scorecard. Le better practice some ground defense or practice some definitive tapping or I see FS doing some snapping of his own.

He is right. The end of the third was all Shamrock and he had Cung Le right where he wanted him going into the fourth. Unfortunately, then came the break.

Ah well, what can you do? A rematch that’s what, and Frank will take it and win it.

hey Frankie….. “IF” the queen had balls, she’d be king!

dude, i was at this fight, and this is BS. cung would have KO’d frank if there were 10 more seconds in the round, he caught him w/ two head kicks and a few punches and had frank rocked against the cage… then the bell saved his ass.

I dont have a great deal of respect for Frank Shamrock. He isnt a true fighter who will fight anytime anyplace anyhere, he is not a guy who just does it for the thrill of competition. He is a businessman who just cares about marketing himself, and hyping his fights up. I mean why does he want to fight his brother? It is clear Ken is completely over the hill and washed up, it wouldnt be much of a challenge for Frank. He just wants a fight he knows he can win, and get paid lots for it in the process.

At least Ken was a real fighter.

He may be an arrogant ass, but you can’t say he isn’t one of the best in the sport. When he rocked Le, I thought it would be over right there untill Le came back. Cung is lucky he did come back at the end of that round, because Frank would have had him on the ground if he didn’t. But, such is the beauty of the sport, you just never know.

btw, why is everyone on here always saying that “ooooh cung doesnt know bjj, frank shamrock would tool him on the ground”

remember that cung has a very solid wrestling background (VERY solid), so even if Frank could take him down, he would certainly have trouble holding him down.

Cung also knows enough bjj to temporarily avoid shamrocks submissions until then.

I will no longer order nor watch Showtime’s MMA. It appears that the Shamrocks are “throwing” their fights. Look at the way both Shamrocks lost their fights. Frank looked like he was not even fighting 100%. Ken Shamrock’s last fight was a laugh- look at the punch that supposedly TKO’s him. Watch the punch landing in slow motion. The punch appears not to even land on his face cleanly.

Cung Le’s timing and accuracy in his stand-up, combined with good wrestling, combined with Frank’s bad knee means Frank would have taken some licks if he tried to shoot in. I know Frank had great takedowns in his younger days, but age and wear and tear has taken that strength away. His takedowns come mostly from body locks (a la Fedor), but it’s very hard to get inside on Cung.

It’s kinda like Chuck’s style. Is Chuck versed on the ground? Probably not. Has he ever been submitted? No.

Frank’s mistake was not that he didn’t shoot, but he should’ve faked the shot and come upstairs with a punch more often (he did it once in the 3rd and rocked Cung).

Cung’s kryptonite is not a BJJ specialist. It’s a Greco wrestler with G&P skills. There’s not much BJJ you can do if you can’t take a guy down, unless you try a flying heel hook like Ryo on Anderson lol.

Frank did have him hurt for a moment there. But he should shut up already cause he didn’t finish him off when he had the chance and now he lost the fight. Nothing you can do about it now Frank…get over it and move on.

Yo,
If Frank could do it or could do that, Cung le has a solid background in Wrestling. Also, did you watch the fight and noticed his low kicks? Frankies, get your head in and shot… SNAP… where the freak is my head?????????

frank did have a good game plan, he try to take le down 3 times in the first round but , did not work for frank .le is better stand fighter .i love this fight and respect both frank and le . i have to said le is better that night no ??????

frank shamrock is one of the best pound for pound fighters of today hes in his prime right now and hes 35 but he’ll never be as good as his brother ken shamrock in his prime hes unbeatable i love those guys

The words “almost” & “if” are words that they they use in fairy tales. At the end when you look at it and comment its really “coulda, woulda, shoulda”. The whole world knows that Cung could strike. The whole world knows that submissions are something Cung is new to. Don’t have a solid game plan and when you lose say that “oh, if I done something else, he’ll lose for sure”. Why didn’t you do that in the first place. I think it’s time Frank review his coaches & ego.