I’ll give him overrated, but average is a stretch.

i agree but what about charles lol.He s pretty even tough.

[quote comment="396994"]i agree but what about charles lol.He s pretty even tough.[/quote]
though

bisping is going to destroy him

he was undersized at 205

he will be a monster at 185

he had an impressive start to his ufc contract
even against rashad he wasnt badly dominated

before ufc bisping was destroying all cage rage competition

he has an agressive streak and knows how to finish

mccartneys comments will of pissed him off and i expect mac to look like sinosic after the fight

Haha if anything McCarthy is below average and even more one dimensional.

I concur with Charles McCarthy. Just watch out for the spinning back kicks.

I actually agree. Bisping booooooorrrrrzzzzzz me…

bisping is boring as fuck. homeboy is accurate.

[quote comment="397011"]I concur with Charles McCarthy. Just watch out for the spinning back kicks.[/quote]
lol

[he's] gonna get tore up at middle weight.

fedor wants 2 million dollars per fight. exc offered him like 300000 and he was like f u gary shaw. 2 million seems like a lot but if kimbo and tank can make 100plus grand a fight 2 million seems right for exc to give fedor.

sorry its off topic

Captain Miserable hit the nail on the head. Everyone says they are feeding Bisping cans but they have really just been giving him evenly matched fights. Joe Silva makes alot of match-ups that people chastise but they usually end up being the fights of the night. I think he assesses the fighters well and The Count can’t handle the next level so they protect him for the UK marketing with the guys he’s been facing. Please don’t give me they Cage Rage destroyer business; who hasn’t destroyed Ross Pointon.

I hope I have to eat my words and it was due to his size disadvantage at LHW. Love to see someone add an interesting mix into the MW division.

I agree with the chainsaw.

Bisping is hand fed easy opponents…with that said he was in danger of losing ALMOST every one of his fights…..at some point during the fight.

and he did lose to Hammmil, Matt threw him around like a little kid. Bisping needs to try and make the UFC money, so they will continue to give him the most WINNABLE fights.

I mean Charles McCarthy??? Of the approx. 30 MW’s Charles has to be down near 29,or 30th in talent. Bisping has had 5 or 6 fighs and still being fed ONE DIMENSIONAL, VERY VERY beatable opponents.

HE couldnt even beat a worn out, out of shape Rashad Evans. Sure Bisping will win most of the fights the UFC gives him becasue they NEED him to win.

[quote comment="397043"]HE couldnt even beat a worn out, out of shape Rashad Evans. [/quote]

Worn out, out of shape???

LOL, I’ll admit Bisping was too small at 205…but look at his record there. He’ll be a force (IMO) at 185. I feel he’ll be giving Rich Franklin another loss and then get owned by Silva withing the next 18 months.

[quote comment="397066"]LOL, I’ll admit Bisping was too small at 205…but look at his record there. He’ll be a force (IMO) at 185. I feel he’ll be giving Rich Franklin another loss and then get owned by Silva withing the next 18 months.[/quote]

a record’s irrelevant as pure numbers. I’d agree with you if his record included wins against decent fighters.

NEWS: FEDOR wants 2 million a fight to fight with elite xc. ha ha what a guy he’s not worth that much money come on now.

Fedor wants 2 mil a fight, that way no one in the states will pay him and he can continue to fight cans and freakshows in japan. Elite offered him 500,000 2 ppv fights with him getting % of buys. He has to realize that the average TUF fan in america doesn’t even know who he is.

wtf is charles goin on about

bisping will murder charles when he is at 185

sure matt hamill should of won w.e but he didn’t dominate bisping as much as people make out … it still went al the way and matt hamill never had bisping in serios danger … matt never looked like finishin him

also i personally think bisping won one of the rounds and hamill won the other 2 so that isn’t that desicive and the 2 that hamill won were also close i mean they were really still up for grabs in the last 30-20 seconds of the round.

also hamill is a much bigger guy and i personally think he did well to get up from his takedowns.

and i actually think he won against rashad but not desicively enough for me to think the judges made a bad mistake… i’m actually quite glad he did lose cuz now we get to see a better bisping at 185 and he will destroy that hippocrit charles mccarthy

Funny thing about Hamill is, I got Boetch destroying him!! And where will that leave Tito’s little project but with 2 losses against as you all say over achieving overrated guys???

[quote comment="397079"]NEWS: FEDOR wants 2 million a fight to fight with elite xc. ha ha what a guy he’s not worth that much money come on now.[/quote]

If this is true fedor is being greedy and is starting to look like randy, and he’d be losing some fans. who does 2 mil a fight? I don’t think anyone even does 1 mil. that’s crazy, MMA is not able to payout boxing salary just yet.

Charles McCarthy by Kneebar in the 3rd!

I tend to agree although McCarthy is very average as well

[quote comment="397024"]bisping is boring as fuck. homeboy is accurate.[/quote]

Bisping may be a lot of things, but boring is none of them. He is also not just average, but I do agree with McCarthy that his heart and his head are what makes him a better fighter.

Who is “tupperware” to call anyone average? lol

Bisping would beat Rich Franklin? NO WAY.

Rich is an excellent striker with good bjj. His wrestling is mediocre but that wouldn’t make a big difference against a guy like Bisping. I think people are forgetting how bad Franklin made people look before Anderson Silva came around.

Anderson definitely has Rich’s number, no question, but I still can’t see Rich losing to anyone but the absolute elite of the division. Michael Bisping does not fit that description.

Yeah, like Captain Miserable has any room to talk. I know he’s just trying to hype the fight and get some asses in the seats, but really. Who has he beaten? It seems the only names he’s beaten, nobody has ever heard of. You’re in the big leagues now Charles, you need to back up your mouth!

I’m looking forward to another W on Bisping’s record.

[quote comment="396989"]I’ll give him overrated, but average is a stretch.[/quote]

I agree. Definitely overrated, but Average maybe just a little above. I think Bisping looked much stronger in the beginning but he hasn’t dominated many of the other fighters with different styles like he did coming off of TUF.

auction your car and catch the bus for money to bet on Bisping!! you would do it if you knew it was good for ya!!

Charles McCarthy is a knucklehead, Bisping will be a very tough 185lbs, and McCarthy is the ‘average’ fighter.. he will get KO’d

Bisping got neutralized and overpowered by 2 much bigger guys (Hamill and Evans) but I can see any of the guys in the 185 division doing that to him again.

I’m from the UK so I obviously like Bisping but I can’t see him pushing Silva. I think the 185 division is very weak at the minute (except Silva, Franklin and Hendo) and I think Bisping would beat any of the others but would struggle against the top 3.

He can only add to the division.

By the way Ross Pointon gets destroyed by everyone in Cage Rage (usually good fights that end in him sparko) and there are dozens of beter UK fighters. Please dont think they are all as bad as Pointon.

cant see any of the guys*

Bisping is constantly learning! I think maybe he neglected his kick boxing cos he was apprehensive about take-downs from his last opponents, he was a champion kick boxer in the UK and was cage rage champion and he has held other titles….. what the hell has charles mcCarthy been champion of? (apart from tuppaware of course) Bisping no matter what anyone says has accomplished something in mma…. charles where did you come on your series of the ultimate fighter? what have you done in mma….. bisping will still have career in the ufc after this fight you wont… you’re garbage mate, close the door on the way out you miserable….

[quote comment="397027"]fedor wants 2 million dollars per fight. exc offered him like 300000 and he was like f u gary shaw. 2 million seems like a lot but if kimbo and tank can make 100plus grand a fight 2 million seems right for exc to give fedor.

sorry its off topic[/quote]

Fedor’s a bum who deserves NO offers.

I think Bisping is slightly above average, just slightly. It shouldn’t be Captain Miserable saying it though because he’s more than slightly below average.

LOL. but bisping hasnt proven otherwise, so i cant disagree with him until bisping proves it!

Bisping = Average

McCarthy = Well below average.

Got bisping in the one.

Totally in agreement with everyone that thinks Bisping is average. He’ll beat the guys he’s supposed to beat, but throw top level competition in there against him and he’ll lose.

[quote comment="397105"][quote comment="397079"]NEWS: FEDOR wants 2 million a fight to fight with elite xc. ha ha what a guy he’s not worth that much money come on now.[/quote]

If this is true fedor is being greedy and is starting to look like randy, and he’d be losing some fans. who does 2 mil a fight? I don’t think anyone even does 1 mil. that’s crazy, MMA is not able to payout boxing salary just yet.[/quote]

I like this! It will take a BIG STAR like fEDOR do get fighters pay increase. I hope he gets 2 million, that way Chuck will start asking for more and everyone else will follow,
Thus,
Increasing fighters pay!

Whats so bad about 2 million?
Randy was offered 2 million to fight Fedor in Bodog!
I think the UFC had offered Fedor 2 million last time they tried to sign him, which led to Randy getting mad about being underappreciated!

I want to know what idiot stuck a microphone in front of Tuppaware’s mouth!

I hope this is the last time I ever read an article about McCarthy ever again on this site!

“Average” is many levels above “Tupperware”

[quote comment="397105"][quote comment="397079"]NEWS: FEDOR wants 2 million a fight to fight with elite xc. ha ha what a guy he’s not worth that much money come on now.[/quote]

If this is true fedor is being greedy and is starting to look like randy, and he’d be losing some fans. who does 2 mil a fight? I don’t think anyone even does 1 mil. that’s crazy, MMA is not able to payout boxing salary just yet.[/quote]

MMA is more than able to pay it…at least the UFC is. Theyre breaking PPV records everywhere and got sponsored by friggin’ BUD LIGHT!!! He’ll get a huge contract and be the first, then others will follow, just like when Nolan Ryan was the first baseball player to maker a mill in a year, then soon everyone was. Thanks for draggin me into this debate…totally offtopic…lol.

NEWS: Chuck pissed that Kimbo Slice is getting so much attention.
Chuck says: a checkered past of beating up a “bunch of guys on the street” is the only reason for his popularity.
“Kimbo’s one of those guys who doesn’t have any ground game,”
“People talk about him like he’s the next great thing when he really hasn’t done anything. He’s been built up because of the Internet and him beating a bunch of guys on the street.”

“I could make some impressive knockout videos too if you let me walk outside and just punch people and knock them out — “hey you, come fight!” Liddell told The Sun. “F*** we can make a highlight reel tomorrow and go round beating people up and talking about it. We could just go up to people and start dropping them. Wow!”

Bottom line is that the UFC can afford it but Fedor or any other fighter is NOT worth it!

Captain Miserable says:

“By my calculations Bisbing is average.”

This guy cracks me up. His claim to fame is a highlight reel loss to Louseau, and acting like a whiny douche on Tuf 4. I’m no Bisbing apologist, but shut up and fight dude. Your trash talk sucks.

[quote comment="397043"]Bisping is hand fed easy opponents…with that said he was in danger of losing ALMOST every one of his fights…..at some point during the fight.

and he did lose to Hammmil, Matt threw him around like a little kid. Bisping needs to try and make the UFC money, so they will continue to give him the most WINNABLE fights.

I mean Charles McCarthy??? Of the approx. 30 MW’s Charles has to be down near 29,or 30th in talent. Bisping has had 5 or 6 fighs and still being fed ONE DIMENSIONAL, VERY VERY beatable opponents.

HE couldnt even beat a worn out, out of shape Rashad Evans. Sure Bisping will win most of the fights the UFC gives him becasue they NEED him to win.[/quote]

I could have quoted any number of haters!

Lets get a few things very very clear…

1) He doesn’t pick his opponants.

2) His weakness was matched against his last two opponants strengths wrestling/Rashad/Hamil.

3) A lot of people thought he beat Rashad, who is in most top ten lists at l/hw and now is one win away from Rampage.

4) He was massivly undersized at L/HW

5) The guy is 16-1 or whatever. Give him a break.

6) Did he ever ask to be the UK poster boy, no.

I’ll make this clear also, i’m not from the UK and he is far from my favourite fighter but the $hit he gets is not justified.

He will be a big handfull for all M/W’s (Hendo and Silva apart).

[quote comment="397270"]NEWS: Chuck pissed that Kimbo Slice is getting so much attention.
Chuck says: a checkered past of beating up a “bunch of guys on the street” is the only reason for his popularity.
“Kimbo’s one of those guys who doesn’t have any ground game,”
“People talk about him like he’s the next great thing when he really hasn’t done anything. He’s been built up because of the Internet and him beating a bunch of guys on the street.”

“I could make some impressive knockout videos too if you let me walk outside and just punch people and knock them out — “hey you, come fight!” Liddell told The Sun. “F*** we can make a highlight reel tomorrow and go round beating people up and talking about it. We could just go up to people and start dropping them. Wow!”[/quote]

I’m no fan of chuck but that doesn’t sound like something he’d say. what is up with all these off topics posts anyways? are these a bunch of april fool’s joke?

i agree mostly. i think bisping is slightly above average. he almost got outstruck by some of the slowest hamil punches.

[quote comment="397241"][quote comment="397105"][quote comment="397079"]NEWS: FEDOR wants 2 million a fight to fight with elite xc. ha ha what a guy he’s not worth that much money come on now.[/quote]

If this is true fedor is being greedy and is starting to look like randy, and he’d be losing some fans. who does 2 mil a fight? I don’t think anyone even does 1 mil. that’s crazy, MMA is not able to payout boxing salary just yet.[/quote]

I like this! It will take a BIG STAR like fEDOR do get fighters pay increase. I hope he gets 2 million, that way Chuck will start asking for more and everyone else will follow,
Thus,
Increasing fighters pay!

Whats so bad about 2 million?
Randy was offered 2 million to fight Fedor in Bodog!
I think the UFC had offered Fedor 2 million last time they tried to sign him, which led to Randy getting mad about being underappreciated![/quote]
[quote comment="397241"][quote comment="397105"][quote icomment="397079"]NEWS: FEDOR wants 2 million a fight to fight with elite xc. ha ha what a guy he’s not worth that much money come on now.[/quote]

If this is true fedor is being greedy and is starting to look like randy, and he’d be losing some fans. who does 2 mil a fight? I don’t think anyone even does 1 mil. that’s crazy, MMA is not able to payout boxing salary just yet.[/quote]

I like this! It will take a BIG STAR like fEDOR do get fighters pay increase. I hope he gets 2 million, that way Chuck will start asking for more and everyone else will follow,
Thus,
Increasing fighters pay!

Whats so bad about 2 million?
Randy was offered 2 million to fight Fedor in Bodog!
I think the UFC had offered Fedor 2 million last time they tried to sign him, which led to Randy getting mad about being underappreciated![[quotecomment="397376"]i agree mostly. i think bisping is slightly above average. he almost got outstruck by some of the slowest hamil punches.[/quote] i think it was about 1.5 mil per fight plus ppv% wich would probably equal about 2 mil. if fedor wants 2 mil per fight w/ no ppv revenue then thats fine. i think dana would be a little scared because of cro-cop, so their might be some performance clauses (good and bad), just in case fedor flops (wich i highly doubt). the 2 mil for randy was just for one fight i think, so if he got creamed there would be no strings attatched. plus bodog probably would have never paid him, just ask his good buddy matt lindland. i just hope it gets done soon. i wanna see fedor fight in the cage just once against a top fighter to see where he still stands. the winner of vera/werdum would be a good start.

[quote comment="397334"][quote comment="397270"]NEWS: Chuck pissed that Kimbo Slice is getting so much attention.
Chuck says: a checkered past of beating up a “bunch of guys on the street” is the only reason for his popularity.
“Kimbo’s one of those guys who doesn’t have any ground game,”
“People talk about him like he’s the next great thing when he really hasn’t done anything. He’s been built up because of the Internet and him beating a bunch of guys on the street.”

“I could make some impressive knockout videos too if you let me walk outside and just punch people and knock them out — “hey you, come fight!” Liddell told The Sun. “F*** we can make a highlight reel tomorrow and go round beating people up and talking about it. We could just go up to people and start dropping them. Wow!”[/quote]

I’m no fan of chuck but that doesn’t sound like something he’d say. what is up with all these off topics posts anyways? are these a bunch of april fool’s joke?[/quote]

Chuck has said this plus more to the UK press. Obviously trying to hype his fight in London.

He’s also ripped into Tito. A few small bits:-

“He wants the fame and the stuff that comes with being a fighter but he doesn’t want to fight.”

“He’d prefer to fight a bunch of guys that he knows he can beat and he doesn’t want a challenge.”

“He dodged me for two years and he wants to be able to pick and choose his fighters and I think that’s one of the reasons he’s going to be leaving the UFC soon.”

“He wants to go somewhere where he can be a big name that they can use to pull fans in and let him fight guys he wants to fight.”

Sorry for the off topic post (above)

my fave highlight of Captain Miserable ever was on UF4 when Shonie Carter said his name like he was supposed to fight, but was just fuckin with him.. haha.. ‘charlesss mccarthyyy… .. it is not you’.

anyways, this guy is definitely on to something… bisping really isnt all that good of a fighter. i mean cmon, he beat Josh Haynes in the finale… my daughter could beat that guy and stay longer on a bull anyday. buuuuut, lucky for Bisping.. he is fighting McCarthy. i mean cmon, this dude is about as big of a pushover as youre gonna get in the middleweight division. id be alot more interested in a Bisping v. Kendall Grove fight.. being theyre both from the same season, and now both in the same weight class. Grove has a big case of glassjaw now-a-days, but im sure he’d be really for it.. and would be alot more exciting of a pushover to watch then Captain Miserable.

ps – off subject, Demian Maia is gonna walk Ed Herman.. mark my words.

[quote comment="397400"][quote comment="397334"][quote comment="397270"]NEWS: Chuck pissed that Kimbo Slice is getting so much attention.
Chuck says: a checkered past of beating up a “bunch of guys on the street” is the only reason for his popularity.
“Kimbo’s one of those guys who doesn’t have any ground game,”
“People talk about him like he’s the next great thing when he really hasn’t done anything. He’s been built up because of the Internet and him beating a bunch of guys on the street.”

“I could make some impressive knockout videos too if you let me walk outside and just punch people and knock them out — “hey you, come fight!” Liddell told The Sun. “F*** we can make a highlight reel tomorrow and go round beating people up and talking about it. We could just go up to people and start dropping them. Wow!”[/quote]

I’m no fan of chuck but that doesn’t sound like something he’d say. what is up with all these off topics posts anyways? are these a bunch of april fool’s joke?[/quote]

Chuck has said this plus more to the UK press. Obviously trying to hype his fight in London.

He’s also ripped into Tito. A few small bits:-

“He wants the fame and the stuff that comes with being a fighter but he doesn’t want to fight.”

“He’d prefer to fight a bunch of guys that he knows he can beat and he doesn’t want a challenge.”

“He dodged me for two years and he wants to be able to pick and choose his fighters and I think that’s one of the reasons he’s going to be leaving the UFC soon.”

“He wants to go somewhere where he can be a big name that they can use to pull fans in and let him fight guys he wants to fight.”[/quote]

He is absoluetly right about Tito!

McCully can do his talking inside the octagon. If he gets smacked down by Bisping, it won’t be the first time we’ve seen a trash-talker go down like a led balloon.

Im totally with McCarthy on this one. But, he better bring his game to back up some comments like that.

I dont see McCarthy as being the kind of challenge that the ‘all-might’ Bisping should get. I think Charles has a really good shot at winning this fight, but this is another easily fed opponent, or so Silva thinks (Joe that is..)

I personally don’t like either Bisping or Tuppaware. Maybe I’ll get lucky and they’ll both end up losing….somehow. lol

thank you Captain Obvious

[quote comment="397055"][quote comment="397043"]HE couldnt even beat a worn out, out of shape Rashad Evans. [/quote]

Worn out, out of shape???[/quote]

What are you on??? Worn out, out of shape???

Bisping will destroy McCarthy in the first round. Given McCarthy’s talent this isn’t claiming much, but i almost gaurantee it will be a first, or perhaps second rnd knock out. A complete beat down and McCarthy will never fight in the UFC again.

Not sure how Bisping is going to go in the Middles but i think he may prove very dangerous…

[quote comment="397249"]“Average” is many levels above “Tupperware”[/quote]

HAH!! McCarthy has got to be close to the worst fighter in the Middle weights if not the whole UFC….

I would really have liked Bisping to fight a slightly better opponent for his first MW shot, but i suppose you’ve gotta start somewhere….

Seriously though, the guys who have posted that McCArthy will win this fight are sick units….The sports bet odds must be way against McCarthy so i suggest putting your money where your mouth is. I think you’d be better off spending it on beer, lap dances or your PPV subscription….

Why is it an automatic given when a guy drops to a lower weight division, he will become dominant in a lighter division?

I think most recently, Mike Swick proved that moving down doesn’t automatically mean that you will man handle the competition.

Don’t you think those guys in that division cut to make their weight too? I’m sure nearly every guy at 185 cuts to get there. Look at Lutter, Franklin, Okami, Marquardt. All big 185 guys that cut to get there (in Travis Lutter’s case, couldn’t lose enought in a title fight). 4 guys that would tear Bisping a new one.

More interesting matchups for Bisping other than Captain Miserable: Jason Mcdonald, Ed Herman, Patrick Cote

[quote comment="397869"]Why is it an automatic given when a guy drops to a lower weight division, he will become dominant in a lighter division?

I think most recently, Mike Swick proved that moving down doesn’t automatically mean that you will man handle the competition.

Don’t you think those guys in that division cut to make their weight too? I’m sure nearly every guy at 185 cuts to get there. Look at Lutter, Franklin, Okami, Marquardt. All big 185 guys that cut to get there (in Travis Lutter’s case, couldn’t lose enought in a title fight). 4 guys that would tear Bisping a new one.

More interesting matchups for Bisping other than Captain Miserable: Jason Mcdonald, Ed Herman, Patrick Cote[/quote]

Agree, though i think Franklin is finished and Mcdonald and Cote are not at Bispings level.

Class… This makes the fight a bit more interesting now… Brave words from Tupperware..If Bisbing is average and he loses to him what will he have to say then lol. I was only really wanting to see this fight to see how Bisbing looked at MW but I think I’ll be a bit more interested now. Though I don’t really care who wins

[quote comment="397923"][quote comment="397869"]Why is it an automatic given when a guy drops to a lower weight division, he will become dominant in a lighter division?

I think most recently, Mike Swick proved that moving down doesn’t automatically mean that you will man handle the competition.

Don’t you think those guys in that division cut to make their weight too? I’m sure nearly every guy at 185 cuts to get there. Look at Lutter, Franklin, Okami, Marquardt. All big 185 guys that cut to get there (in Travis Lutter’s case, couldn’t lose enought in a title fight). 4 guys that would tear Bisping a new one.

More interesting matchups for Bisping other than Captain Miserable: Jason Mcdonald, Ed Herman, Patrick Cote[/quote]

Agree, though i think Franklin is finished and Mcdonald and Cote are not at Bispings level.[/quote]

ACE is not finished,just because he got whooped by Anderson twice.Rich still belongs in the top 5 IMO.his only 2 losses at 185 were to A.Silva, his other loss was 205 to Machida so that doesnt factor in his 185 status.
IMO the Predator Patrick Cote is on the same level as the Count M.Bisping. Cote has been in some pretty good fights in the UFC.i think his record in the octagon is not indicative of how good he really is. all of his loses were by decision as was his 1st win in the UFC, against Scott Smith.since beating S.Smith, he KOed k.grove & Drew McFeddries.IMO thats enough to put him on the same level as the Count.
but i agree that McDonald isnt.he always seems to lose when he has to face tough opponents like Franklin & Okami.
IMO short fuse Ed Herman would take bisping down & beat on him until he got into position to get a sub. or a ref stoppage.

Mike should of got the win against Evans if your bringing the Hamill fight up. and look who Evans is fighting now? you do the maths. Bisping will haave to fight tought guys as this division is full of them and i can’t wait because Bisping mill knock some of these chumps out.