ko him id laugh. heats got no place at the top.he’s good but not great.

i really think that Alves has the skill and the mindset to knock Karo out! Karo doesnt like to get hit anyway, which is bad for him because that is what the little pit bull does the best in my opinion. he is good at putting pressure on his opponent and keeping them at bay. he has good control inside the octogon! i hope he beats bore fest Karo with style!!!!

“widely considered the top 170-pound title contender.”

Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?

[quote post="5609"]Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?[/quote]

Do you want names, IPS, email addresses? A ton of people feel he is the number one contender.

I’m also hoping he knocks karo out…

I can’t wait for this fight.

[quote comment="396813"]“widely considered the top 170-pound title contender.”

Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?[/quote]
There was an audio file posted on here a while back from a radio interview with Karo…When you hear his side of the story you can see why he is slightly bitter about his situation, others have been in similar situations and been granted title shots, but he never did, and he has had no explination as to why, just got thrown back in to the pile to fight his way back. Everyone in life likes to know that they are working toward something…If you were due a promotion at work, but then got overlooked because you were off sick on the day, and then told you had to all that work again, you’d be pissed off!

Karo has one of the hardest chins in that weight division, I cannot see him getting knocked out. I want to see him against GSP so I am hoping he wins. He was the first person to take GSP the distance and at the time GSP said it was the hardest fight he’d ever had as it was difficult to predict what Karo was going to do next. They have both improved greatly and a re match would be awesome to watch even if GSP gets the win or not.

I think a lot of the heat he (Karo) gets in places like this is due to the fact that he has had like 9 decisions in his last 10 fights, but at the end of the day he has an 8-2 record for his last 10 which is pretty good, and a win is a win which is why Karo IS a contender. Just because he has won decisions doesn’t make any difference, a win is a win.

And his only loses in the UFC are to Diego (which was a wicked fight, which takes 2 people) and to the highly regarded (By Most) un-crowned champ of the division GSP..

i don’t think alves is going to knock out karo. the fight isn’t going to go past the 2nd round. karo is going to toss him around a little, then finish with some gnp! karo wins by tko 3:25 in the second round!

[quote comment="396839"][quote comment="396813"]“widely considered the top 170-pound title contender.”

Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?[/quote]
There was an audio file posted on here a while back from a radio interview with Karo…When you hear his side of the story you can see why he is slightly bitter about his situation, others have been in similar situations and been granted title shots, but he never did, and he has had no explination as to why, just got thrown back in to the pile to fight his way back. Everyone in life likes to know that they are working toward something…If you were due a promotion at work, but then got overlooked because you were off sick on the day, and then told you had to all that work again, you’d be pissed off![/quote]

Based on this logic, title fights are established by historic numerical order not on the best competition at the time of the fight.

I want to see the top fighters compete for the belt, no sob stories of calling “dibs” and getting injured. MMA is a pure sport and it’s sad to see politics and popularity polluting title contentions.

After Serra/GSP Dana should look at who’s the best at that time, and if its Fitch, Karo, or some badass I’ve never heard of, and I’ll support that fight.

That said, I know it won’t happen, thats why I pulling for Karo to get KO’d and fitch to have a clear shot…

Im not a Karo fan and would love to see the Pit Bull ko him. However Karo is good at avoiding getting hit and will more than likely throw Alves round the Octagon for 15 mins and get another decision win.

I see GSP,Hughes,Fitch & Kos (no particular order) ranked above Karo and really want Alves to win in any fashion so that he can no longer be ranked as contender material.

I am rooting for the Thiago Alvez KO win, but I am predicting a Karo win by …………………… Decision.

I hope Thiago sticks to his gameplan and presses karo the whole time bringing “more heat”. Karo actually tends to strive in the face of adversity. I can’t wait for tomorrow night!

I have been all over this site for weeks now claiming that Tiago Alves was going to beat Karo… I cant wait, I see big things out of Tiago’s future.

Tiago just has to watch out for Karo’s Kimura/takedown transition….its one of Karo’s favorite moves.

Alves is one of the best strikers in the welterweight division and is ground game: Not to shabby (Adam Sandler)

Tiago wins this fight…. I know it!

By the way Dana White shuts down Anderson Silva vs. Roy Jones talks….what a surprise!!!

Alves has more then a good chance in this fight. Alves is on a four fight win streak with some decent victories over, Lytle, DeSouza, Alessio and Hironaka. None of those guys are top five, but they are all solid fighters.

This fight should be the main event. It’s going to be a great fight.

[quote post="5609"]By the way Dana White shuts down Anderson Silva vs. Roy Jones talks….what a surprise!!! [/quote]

Good!

[quote comment="396862"]I am rooting for the Thiago Alvez KO win, but I am predicting a Karo win by …………………… Decision.

I hope Thiago sticks to his gameplan and presses karo the whole time bringing “more heat”. Karo actually tends to strive in the face of adversity. I can’t wait for tomorrow night![/quote]

ViolentMike: when you get the chance go to yesterdays thread about who cung le fights next. Scroll towards the bottom, and you will see a post I wrote about The next Fedor Kiril, and I provided a link to watch this 19 year old Phenoms last fight. He have to see how tough and skilled this kid is… Please watch the fight when you get the chance.

[quote comment="396813"]“widely considered the top 170-pound title contender.”

Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?[/quote]

There are thousands of crack smoking people in this country just like Karo who think that he is a top contender over Fitch. I predict and old fashion ass whoop’n on most likely another out of shape, over-rated Karo. KO in 2nd round.

I asked a qustion yesterday towards the end of the day and I didnt get any resposes so I will ask it again:

If you can clear this up for me I would really appreciate it:

In the UFC’s scoring system, say a top Ju jitsu fighter is fighting a stand up fighter (who does not want the fight to go to the ground). The ju jitsu fighter grabs a hold of the stand up fighter and pull him down into his guard. Does the fighter who ends up on top, get points for the takedown or does the fighter who ended up on the bottom, but strategically pulled the oppobnent on top of him into his guard, gets the points?

Regardless of Karo’s lack of finishes, he has never been in a boring fight. If he gets this win there is no reason not to have him fight the winner of Serra-GSP. As for Fitch, his whole gameplan is to hump people for 15 minutes or until they leave their neck open for a rear naked choke, whichever comes first. Give me a choice between watching Karo fight or watching Fitch and I’ll take Karo any day.
[quote post="5609"]By the way Dana White shuts down Anderson Silva vs. Roy Jones talks….what a surprise!!! [/quote]
They need to agree to two matches, one boxing and one MMA.

[quote comment="396802"]ko him id laugh. heats got no place at the top.he’s good but not great.[/quote]
the heats only loss since gsp was a bad decision to diego! judges screwed karo over that time! who do you pit at the top then? matt the bumb hughes? or maybe matt serra? or possibly john the bumb fighter fitch!

“widely considered the top 170-pound title contender.”

Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?

There are thousands of crack smoking people in this country just like Karo who think that he is a top contender over Fitch. I predict and old fashion butt whoop’n on most likely another out of shape, over-rated Karo. KO in 2nd round.

Karo “I’m afraid of Fitch” Parisyan says it all. Glad he actually took this fight so we don’t have to listen to his BS on why he won’t fight Fitch anymore. I know Fitch beat Alvez and Karo needs to keep up with Fitch but I’m VERY surprised that Karo accepted this fight. Bet money that Alvez knocks him out!!!

[quote comment="396896"]I asked a qustion yesterday towards the end of the day and I didnt get any resposes so I will ask it again:

If you can clear this up for me I would really appreciate it:

In the UFC’s scoring system, say a top Ju jitsu fighter is fighting a stand up fighter (who does not want the fight to go to the ground). The ju jitsu fighter grabs a hold of the stand up fighter and pull him down into his guard. Does the fighter who ends up on top, get points for the takedown or does the fighter who ended up on the bottom, but strategically pulled the oppobnent on top of him into his guard, gets the points?[/quote]

I would think that if you pull guard no one gets credit for a takedown…

I know for sure that if you pull guard, you would not get points because if that was the case, you could keep pulling gaurd over and over’( but the opposing fighter? I dont know)

Probably a hard call for any judge. Good question though’…

BTW; speaking of MMa scoring, I think the UFC should change how they score fights…’out with the 10point must system!
Judge fights as a whole and not round for round!..

[quote comment="396847"]Karo has one of the hardest chins in that weight division, I cannot see him getting knocked out. I want to see him against GSP so I am hoping he wins. He was the first person to take GSP the distance and at the time GSP said it was the hardest fight he’d ever had as it was difficult to predict what Karo was going to do next. They have both improved greatly and a re match would be awesome to watch even if GSP gets the win or not.[/quote]

Dude, it was GSP’s first UFC fight, of course it was his toughest fight at that point lol.

My wagering site actually has Karo as the underdog against Alves ( 130). I think I’m about to become a huge Karo fan.

[quote comment="396896"]I asked a qustion yesterday towards the end of the day and I didnt get any resposes so I will ask it again:

If you can clear this up for me I would really appreciate it:

In the UFC’s scoring system, say a top Ju jitsu fighter is fighting a stand up fighter (who does not want the fight to go to the ground). The ju jitsu fighter grabs a hold of the stand up fighter and pull him down into his guard. Does the fighter who ends up on top, get points for the takedown or does the fighter who ended up on the bottom, but strategically pulled the oppobnent on top of him into his guard, gets the points?[/quote]
I think that is one of the major grey areas with the points system, not to mention how do judges see that situation, if they even realise it occurred…Do the judges know which fighter is best versed in any given dicipline for all fights and judge accordingly? Highly unlikely.

I think we will have to accept that MMA will be a hard sport to judge and will end up with lots of questionable decisions…Fighters will have to finish fights… Else figters need to fight again…Like Bisbing and Hamil were SUPPOSED to

[quote comment="396928"][quote comment="396847"]Karo has one of the hardest chins in that weight division, I cannot see him getting knocked out. I want to see him against GSP so I am hoping he wins. He was the first person to take GSP the distance and at the time GSP said it was the hardest fight he’d ever had as it was difficult to predict what Karo was going to do next. They have both improved greatly and a re match would be awesome to watch even if GSP gets the win or not.[/quote]

Dude, it was GSP’s first UFC fight, of course it was his toughest fight at that point lol.[/quote]
hehehe… I’d like to see those two fight again (Now)…Karo wont avoid GSP’s strikes so easily me thinks

[quote comment="396924"][quote comment="396896"]I asked a qustion yesterday towards the end of the day and I didnt get any resposes so I will ask it again:

If you can clear this up for me I would really appreciate it:

In the UFC’s scoring system, say a top Ju jitsu fighter is fighting a stand up fighter (who does not want the fight to go to the ground). The ju jitsu fighter grabs a hold of the stand up fighter and pull him down into his guard. Does the fighter who ends up on top, get points for the takedown or does the fighter who ended up on the bottom, but strategically pulled the oppobnent on top of him into his guard, gets the points?[/quote]

I would think that if you pull guard no one gets credit for a takedown…

I know for sure that if you pull guard, you would not get points because if that was the case, you could keep pulling gaurd over and over’( but the opposing fighter? I dont know)

Probably a hard call for any judge. Good question though’…

BTW; speaking of MMa scoring, I think the UFC should change how they score fights…’out with the 10point must system!
Judge fights as a whole and not round for round!..[/quote]

Stagger Lee: I agree! I have been wishing for them to go the to PRIDE system for years now. This is not boxing, that 10 point must system doesnt work.

ToeLock: Yesterday I told you that wanderlei talked really well about how much he likes fORREST AS A FIGHTER ON THE ufc 79 nEMESIS dvd bONUS FEATURE.

I made a mistake its actually on the Bonus features of Disc 2 of the 2 set DVD of the UFC’s best fights of 2007.

Sorry for the mistake.

this fight should be main event in my opinion. i cannot wait for it!

I agree this is the real main event.
It will be fight of the night. I hope Alves does bring it, Karo does only as well as the guys he fights. I cant see him losing.

Oh well we will all see tomorrow night.

My house, bring the beer and chips…

… Ya gotta keep it down though the kids will be sleeping.

Alves is in for a beating. Though Karo will probably show up hungover and out of shape, he still has the skill and knowledge to win. Alves only chance is a punchers chance, and I’d put my money on Karo any day. When Karo fough GSP he actually had GSP in a body lock and GSP really looked to be in trouble. I can’t fathom a scenario where Alves would be able to put GSP at risk.

like him or not, karo alllllways comes out hard in the beginning and throws everybody around with his crazy judo. Thiago will be no different. But if thiago can weather the storm in the early rounds, karo usually opens up and drops his hands!! i’m not saying he gasses, but he slows down and gets a little sloppy. end of 2nd or 3rd round would be thiago’s only window of opportunity to KO karo before karo wins another ud.

Check out the ring girl behind Thiago in the picture. Probably not her best picture.

As for this fight I think its a coin flip. I give the edge to Karo just because he’s had bigger fights than Alves, and knows how to deal with the pressure. Thats not to say that Alves won’t get a big knockout and put his name on the list of top contenders at 170.

[quote comment="396896"]I asked a qustion yesterday towards the end of the day and I didnt get any resposes so I will ask it again:

If you can clear this up for me I would really appreciate it:

In the UFC’s scoring system, say a top Ju jitsu fighter is fighting a stand up fighter (who does not want the fight to go to the ground). The ju jitsu fighter grabs a hold of the stand up fighter and pull him down into his guard. Does the fighter who ends up on top, get points for the takedown or does the fighter who ended up on the bottom, but strategically pulled the oppobnent on top of him into his guard, gets the points?[/quote]
i say neither. i do think the bjj guy should get points for submission atttempts and the striker points for EFFECTIVE striking, not just puttin his head in the opponents chest and throwing meaningless punches (gamburyian,mccully,obrien,and goulet come to mind).

[quote comment="396888"][quote comment="396862"]I am rooting for the Thiago Alvez KO win, but I am predicting a Karo win by …………………… Decision.

I hope Thiago sticks to his gameplan and presses karo the whole time bringing “more heat”. Karo actually tends to strive in the face of adversity. I can’t wait for tomorrow night![/quote]

ViolentMike: when you get the chance go to yesterdays thread about who cung le fights next. Scroll towards the bottom, and you will see a post I wrote about The next Fedor Kiril, and I provided a link to watch this 19 year old Phenoms last fight. He have to see how tough and skilled this kid is… Please watch the fight when you get the chance.[/quote]

John, I did watch the fight. Then I looked up some more of his fights and saw him lose to some Latin fighter. How much does he weigh? He can’t be much over 205, and how much did that guy he was fighting weigh? That was actually a pretty old fight that you had linked to, April of last year. Do you have any of Kirill’s other fights that I can watch???

[quote comment="396819"][quote post="5609"]Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?[/quote]

Do you want names, IPS, email addresses? A ton of people feel he is the number one contender.[/quote]

Not after tomorrow!!! and Fitch would own this chumpstain.

[quote comment="396937"][quote comment="396896"]I asked a qustion yesterday towards the end of the day and I didnt get any resposes so I will ask it again:

If you can clear this up for me I would really appreciate it:

In the UFC’s scoring system, say a top Ju jitsu fighter is fighting a stand up fighter (who does not want the fight to go to the ground). The ju jitsu fighter grabs a hold of the stand up fighter and pull him down into his guard. Does the fighter who ends up on top, get points for the takedown or does the fighter who ended up on the bottom, but strategically pulled the oppobnent on top of him into his guard, gets the points?[/quote]
I think that is one of the major grey areas with the points system, not to mention how do judges see that situation, if they even realise it occurred…Do the judges know which fighter is best versed in any given dicipline for all fights and judge accordingly? Highly unlikely.

I think we will have to accept that MMA will be a hard sport to judge and will end up with lots of questionable decisions…Fighters will have to finish fights… Else figters need to fight again…Like Bisbing and Hamil were SUPPOSED to [/quote]

Absolutely ToeLock. That was exactly what I was going to say. It is the biggest grey spots in the scoring. Who gets points, the person on the bottom with the active guard, or the dry humper on top just waiting to get stood back up?

IMO, if a fighter pulls guard and goes for submission attempts without taking any damage, then he got the best of the exchange. However, if he pulls guard only to get punched/elbowed in the face for 30 seconds before attempting a weak armbar, I would give the exchange to the fighter on top.

Nick Diaz would have many more wins in the UFC if MMA judges knew how to score fights 100% properly. Just because you are on the bottom does not mean that you are in the worse position. For example, Tim Sylvia vs Big Nog. When Sylvia is in Big Nog’s guard, does Sylvia have the advantage? NO. Nog does.

[quote comment="397261"][quote comment="396819"][quote post="5609"]Outside of Karo thinking he is the best, who considers him the top contender over Fitch?[/quote]

Do you want names, IPS, email addresses? A ton of people feel he is the number one contender.[/quote]

Not after tomorrow!!! and Fitch would own this chumpstain.[/quote]

I second that! Fitch would tear this guy apart. He looked good against fighters years ago before the competition drastically strengthened in the WW division plus Karo looked horrible in his last fight winning by split decision which could have went either way. Fitch fought a guy who’s style made for a stalking match finished with a pounding but bring in GSP or any fighter who’ll come at him and there will be a brawl! This is MMA not Judo/boxing. Karo has too many weaknesses for Fitch to pick apart.

i sure hope he does KO the HEAT early in the 1st just so i can see some of the under card matches. and also that would make Fitch the clear cut number 1 contender. which IMO he already is.

[quote comment="397258"][quote comment="396888"][quote comment="396862"]I am rooting for the Thiago Alvez KO win, but I am predicting a Karo win by …………………… Decision.

I hope Thiago sticks to his gameplan and presses karo the whole time bringing “more heat”. Karo actually tends to strive in the face of adversity. I can’t wait for tomorrow night![/quote]

ViolentMike: when you get the chance go to yesterdays thread about who cung le fights next. Scroll towards the bottom, and you will see a post I wrote about The next Fedor Kiril, and I provided a link to watch this 19 year old Phenoms last fight. He have to see how tough and skilled this kid is… Please watch the fight when you get the chance.[/quote]

John, I did watch the fight. Then I looked up some more of his fights and saw him lose to some Latin fighter. How much does he weigh? He can’t be much over 205, and how much did that guy he was fighting weigh? That was actually a pretty old fight that you had linked to, April of last year. Do you have any of Kirill’s other fights that I can watch???[/quote]

I have been trying to find out what weight he fights at for some time now. I dont understand all that Kilogram crap. That dude he was fighting wads alot bigger. Video’s on his fights are hard to come by. That website was new to me and I didnt get the chance to go through it all to see if they have any more Kiril fights on it. I dont have too much info on his career, because its hard to follow, but he usually fights for M-1 Mix Fight events. They usually have team Russia vs. some other country.

I do know that Kiril lost to Antonio Mendes (who is fighting in the UFC but I forget who his opponent is). He started the fight well, but the doctor stopped it due to cuts. It was an ok event that fearured Kiril, aleksander and gegard Mousasi.

Kiril looks to be tough as nails. he can take big shots, stay cool and show off his striking, which from what I saw is very impressive. He displays that wonderful Fedor footwork. I will hunt down some more video’s of his fights and I will send them to you by the end of the week.

[quote comment="396888"][quote comment="396862"]I am rooting for the Thiago Alvez KO win, but I am predicting a Karo win by …………………… Decision.

I hope Thiago sticks to his gameplan and presses karo the whole time bringing “more heat”. Karo actually tends to strive in the face of adversity. I can’t wait for tomorrow night![/quote]

ViolentMike: when you get the chance go to yesterdays thread about who cung le fights next. Scroll towards the bottom, and you will see a post I wrote about The next Fedor Kiril, and I provided a link to watch this 19 year old Phenoms last fight. He have to see how tough and skilled this kid is… Please watch the fight when you get the chance.[/quote]

everyone should watch this kid KIRIL SIDELKINOV.
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[quote comment="397375"][quote comment="396888"][quote comment="396862"]I am rooting for the Thiago Alvez KO win, but I am predicting a Karo win by …………………… Decision.

I hope Thiago sticks to his gameplan and presses karo the whole time bringing “more heat”. Karo actually tends to strive in the face of adversity. I can’t wait for tomorrow night![/quote]

ViolentMike: when you get the chance go to yesterdays thread about who cung le fights next. Scroll towards the bottom, and you will see a post I wrote about The next Fedor Kiril, and I provided a link to watch this 19 year old Phenoms last fight. He have to see how tough and skilled this kid is… Please watch the fight when you get the chance.[/quote]

everyone should watch this kid KIRIL SIDELKINOV.
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He is said to be the heir apparent to FEDOR, we’ll see how he shapes up. He has to be better at 19 then Fedor was.

Kiril and Chris Horedescki are the 2 best and most promising young fighters I have seen in MMA.

go thiago!

[quote comment="397371"][quote comment="397258"][quote comment="396888"][quote comment="396862"]I am rooting for the Thiago Alvez KO win, but I am predicting a Karo win by …………………… Decision.

I hope Thiago sticks to his gameplan and presses karo the whole time bringing “more heat”. Karo actually tends to strive in the face of adversity. I can’t wait for tomorrow night![/quote]

ViolentMike: when you get the chance go to yesterdays thread about who cung le fights next. Scroll towards the bottom, and you will see a post I wrote about The next Fedor Kiril, and I provided a link to watch this 19 year old Phenoms last fight. He have to see how tough and skilled this kid is… Please watch the fight when you get the chance.[/quote]

John, I did watch the fight. Then I looked up some more of his fights and saw him lose to some Latin fighter. How much does he weigh? He can’t be much over 205, and how much did that guy he was fighting weigh? That was actually a pretty old fight that you had linked to, April of last year. Do you have any of Kirill’s other fights that I can watch???[/quote]

I have been trying to find out what weight he fights at for some time now. I dont understand all that Kilogram crap. That dude he was fighting wads alot bigger. Video’s on his fights are hard to come by. That website was new to me and I didnt get the chance to go through it all to see if they have any more Kiril fights on it. I dont have too much info on his career, because its hard to follow, but he usually fights for M-1 Mix Fight events. They usually have team Russia vs. some other country.

I do know that Kiril lost to Antonio Mendes (who is fighting in the UFC but I forget who his opponent is). He started the fight well, but the doctor stopped it due to cuts. It was an ok event that fearured Kiril, aleksander and gegard Mousasi.

Kiril looks to be tough as nails. he can take big shots, stay cool and show off his striking, which from what I saw is very impressive. He displays that wonderful Fedor footwork. I will hunt down some more video’s of his fights and I will send them to you by the end of the week.[/quote]
sherdog has kiril listed at 88kg which is around 195.but in that video against that french guy he looked around 215-225.