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Good fight, atleast Cung Le isn’t taking easier fights like Kimbo.

[quote comment=”393613″]1[/quote]
One what?

bronze medal. go frank

Shamrock vs. Le is gonna be like “BLADOW, how you like me now?” and I’m gonna be all like “YYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH BBBBBOOOOOOYYYYYYY!!!!!!! Cheers!

shields fickett fight was cancelled.

[quote comment=”393627″]shields fickett fight was cancelled.[/quote]
little late bud

[quote comment=”393630″][quote comment=”393627″]shields fickett fight was cancelled.[/quote]
little late bud[/quote]

Yeah I figured it out right after I hit enter.

The closer we get, the more I can see Frank Shamrock’s point of view on this fight. However, I still think Cung Le is going to take this one. It’s certainly his biggest test, and his success in this fight is going to hinge on either Frank Shamrock committing to a stand-up bout, or Cung Le’s ability to avoid the takedown via strikes and throws. Either way, I expect that it will be good.

Cung Le via decision.

Frank by sub 2nd!!!!!!

good to see that tiki won its been awile

I had a dream that Frank Shamrock won the fight via submission in the 2nd round. Well, I thought it said TKO (strikes) in the 2nd rnd but I remember thinking oh he must have had trouble with Cung Lees stand up so he submitted him. So I am pretty sure it was submission. I am just posting this now just i case I am right and no one beleives that i had the dream. Well, heres to hoping!

wow last minute of the jensen fight was nuts great ko

i wanna see if marlon sims can even fight, i think he is pretty tough too bad he got kicked outta the house

Guys has anyone got a live feed? I’m just back from a night out and I desperately want to see this. Anyone watching it? What was that online thing again. The camera thing. Sorry for the bother I’ll go search. It was up the other day if I remember correctly. Btw I’m fcukin’ smashed.

Just looking at Wayne Cole, I was instantly predicting him to win quickly.

Ok. sho.com isn’t working for me. Help. I want to see this live.

Watching this right now I really must say that Mike Goldberg is a fucking dumbass. He has got to be tbe worst commentator for this.

yeah i’d like a live feed too please

What’s going on? There’s no feed up on Sherdog either. Maybe MMA.tv

What a crock of Horse $h!t1!!! If you’re not from the US or Canada the Showtime cage cam doesn’t work!!!

If you guys dont have Showtime you can get it on PPV for 24.95

[quote comment=”393651″]If you guys dont have Showtime you can get it on PPV for 24.95[/quote]

I’ve got a problem. I live in Europe. I can’t get this. Anyone got a live feed? I don’t want to just read the Sherdog PBP.

[quote comment=”393637″]wow last minute of the jensen fight was nuts great ko[/quote]

It was an entertaining fight, but I really didn’t like the look of that second knee Villasenor landed when Jensen was trying to get up after they went to the ground. At the very least, it was an *attempt* at an illegal knee to the head. One of those “Oh, no, of course I wasn’t aiming at his head, I was aiming at his shoulder!” deals… No action from the ref, not a word from the commentators, naturally.

Still, it was a highlight reel KO. “Here, let me do my Nate Quarry impression…”

Why do 50% of my comments get moderated Mania, seriously? Does this go back to the first post I ever made or is just because I’m asking for a feed?

great night of fights so far. gilberts ground and pound is serious that kid can throwdown.wayne coles armbar looked sloppy but effective and fickett looked kinda out of shape but that didnt effect his performance

Wish I had f@@@ing Showtime!!!!

HERE WE GO!!!

Is FJS and Cung on yet? How long?

[quote comment=”393662″]Why do 50% of my comments get moderated Mania, seriously? Does this go back to the first post I ever made or is just because I’m asking for a feed?[/quote]

LOL! 100% of my comments get moderated! For me, it all goes back to some shit I talked about Forrest Griffin, and maybe the fact that I was kicked off of MMAJunkie.

there fighting right now

Could someone tell Frank Shamrock he’s not Jimmy Fallon? I could really do without these motherfuckers mugging for the camera every 5 seconds - don’t high five, finish the damned fight.

What’s happening. Sherdog won’t work for me. Frank won the first round?

what happend to the marlon simms fight?

This is crazy

wtf good fight but sad ending

what happened?

What a terrible way to end the fight with Shamrock just laying on the floor. He was tearing him up all in round three.

le won shamrock unable to anser the bell for round 4 great fight no it was a awsome fight

sims got rescheduled, is supposed to be on after the main event. hmm. we’ll see.

Okay, the latetst I have is that Cung is tooling Frank on the score cards because Frank is keeping it standing.

cung lee vs anderson silva………..

i’m getting moderated. is simms going to be on showtime, does anyone know?

[quote comment=”393679″]what happend to the marlon simms fight?[/quote]

It’s going down after FJS and Cung because of time constraints I believe.

shamrock new he was getting his ass kicked and didn’t want to come back out. that was great. well at least when ken and frank fight now they’ll both be coming off of a loss

Damn man, I knew if Frank would lose it would be by injury.

WTF!!!Arm injury. I have to watch this tomorrow when it gets put up.

Wow I really liked that fight Cung Le got some deadly kicks

Frank gave up because his arm was broken by a kick.

[quote post=”5571″]Final result: Mike Kyle defeats Wayne Cole via submission/armbar (0:42 R1)[/quote]

I think you got the result wrong Mania

Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?

[quote post=”5571″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down? [/quote]
He only seemed too try too take Le down once..i think he was showboating too much,..but it looked too be hard too get inside on Cung Le because of his kicks

I was able to watch alil bit of the fight and Frank was tooling Cung, then the fucking thing froze, so dont know what happened. im sure theyre will be a rematch specially if it ended because of a broken arm.

Man!! Love Cung Le’s style!! Deserves to be champ, for sure!!

[quote comment=”393698″][quote post=”5571″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down? [/quote]
He only seemed too try too take Le down once..i think he was showboating too much,..but it looked too be hard too get inside on Cung Le because of his kicks[/quote]

Wow, so Cung is for real. Cheers for that. Now let’s hope the UFC can pry him away. At least I’ll be able to see him fight live.

“Lim grabs Fickett’s crank.”

Is that legal? Noone wants to see that.

[quote post=”5571″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?
He only seemed too try too take Le down once..i think he was showboating too much,..but it looked too be hard too get inside on Cung Le because of his kicks
Wow, so Cung is for real. Cheers for that. Now let’s hope the UFC can pry him away. At least I’ll be able to see him fight live. [/quote]
It will probally never happen..but who would be up for Chung Le Vs. Anderson Silva ..i know i would

What a great night. Shamrock and Kyle both losing put a huge smile on my face.

Frankie pussied out.

[quote comment=”393687″]cung lee vs anderson silva………..[/quote]

yeah cung le just started man….why kill his career early….so what if he beat frank shamrock?…who is frank shamrock compared to middleweights in ufc or dream?

[quote comment=”393705″][quote post=”5571″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?
He only seemed too try too take Le down once..i think he was showboating too much,..but it looked too be hard too get inside on Cung Le because of his kicks
Wow, so Cung is for real. Cheers for that. Now let’s hope the UFC can pry him away. At least I’ll be able to see him fight live. [/quote]
It will probally never happen..but who would be up for Chung Le Vs. Anderson Silva ..i know i would[/quote]
Yeah it kind of looked like he was hiding the fact that he just couldn’t take Le down or get in close enough to do much. But those were three amazing rounds for a great fight. That event was better than some UFC events have been.

[quote comment=”393705″][quote post=”5571″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?
He only seemed too try too take Le down once..i think he was showboating too much,..but it looked too be hard too get inside on Cung Le because of his kicks
Wow, so Cung is for real. Cheers for that. Now let’s hope the UFC can pry him away. At least I’ll be able to see him fight live. [/quote]
It will probally never happen..but who would be up for Chung Le Vs. Anderson Silva ..i know i would[/quote]

“Chung Le”

I want to watch her fight Silva but how do we get her out of the game?:)

[quote comment=”393708″]Frankie pussied out.[/quote]
That shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

this sucks cuz my cable got cut off

what was franks strategy. and you can only block so many kicks before something like that happens

[quote comment=”393708″]Frankie pussied out.[/quote]

I disagree. It looks like he had a serious injury.

[quote comment=”393714″]this sucks cuz my cable got cut off[/quote]
and not to mention my Cardinals got beat by the Tarheels. what a horrible night

So is Frank over the hill, or is Cung that damn good? I can’t judge because I haven’t seen it yet. Opinions please people.

[quote comment=”393698″][quote post=”5571″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down? [/quote]
He only seemed too try too take Le down once..i think he was showboating too much,..but it looked too be hard too get inside on Cung Le because of his kicks[/quote]

Le was two much for Frank toonight. I expect too see a long title reign, like to years or so. He is two talented.

CUng Le took his arm out , and those head kicks were pretty hard … Frank was bleeding from both ears it looked like hah … He had nothing left in that arm and the kick at the buzzer put him on queer street , he wanted too lay down in the corner even before the stoppage … What a beat down , even tho Frank had him rocked a little bit that next kick from Le took what little bit Frank had left out of him ..

Good Fight , I loved it when all his smiles and smartass gestures stopped when he started getting frustrated with Le , classic .. He didnt have a answer too his adomen kicks and couldnt get in close at all ..

[quote comment=”393696″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?[/quote]

He never even tried. Too much ego I figure.

[quote comment=”393718″]So is Frank over the hill, or is Cung that damn good? I can’t judge because I haven’t seen it yet. Opinions please people.[/quote]
To me it seemed like Cung is that damn good his kicks were sick

[quote comment=”393696″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?[/quote]

He kept it standing. One thing I noticed is that Cung dosen’t have alot of power, the damage came with repeated kicks.

Hmm. Gabriel Gonzaga broke Randy Couture’s arm with a kick. Cung Lee broke Frank Shamrock’s arm with a kick.

One fighter pussies out and loses the belt. The other fighter is a true champion and finds a way to triumph.

Even so, it was an exciting fight. Frank should’ve tried to take it to the ground but his ego got the best of him.

How good was Le?? Please inform cuz I didn’t see it.

I wanted to see round four!

[quote comment=”393717″][quote comment=”393714″]this sucks cuz my cable got cut off[/quote]
and not to mention my Cardinals got beat by the Tarheels. what a horrible night[/quote]

Yea like unc winning was a surprise.

[quote comment=”393722″][quote comment=”393718″]So is Frank over the hill, or is Cung that damn good? I can’t judge because I haven’t seen it yet. Opinions please people.[/quote]
To me it seemed like Cung is that damn good his kicks were sick[/quote]

So this really does announce the arrival of a new exciting star on the scene. I’m happy enough with the result. Now only if Cung was 25 eh.

i think frank isn’t completely over the hill nor is le a
GREAT fighter. hes good but not great

[quote comment=”393728″][quote comment=”393722″][quote comment=”393718″]So is Frank over the hill, or is Cung that damn good? I can’t judge because I haven’t seen it yet. Opinions please people.[/quote]
To me it seemed like Cung is that damn good his kicks were sick[/quote]

So this really does announce the arrival of a new exciting star on the scene. I’m happy enough with the result. Now only if Cung was 25 eh.[/quote]
Yeah hes 35…but Randys in his 40s and he does alright for himself

Man Sherdogg$h!t is saying Frank ain’t top 15. Maybe they’re right.

They’re also saying they’re not too impressed with Cung’s kicks (the power of). What?

le is crazy i got the end where lee was yelling and all happy i seen the replay kicks in the head wtf fu*ks up his arm i wana see a Silva vs le i think silva will get that fight but le can still come out on top but ill like to see that war silva win round 2 tko….

Frank’s wife has gone into labour!!! Well actually during the fight. Are you listening to Sherdog Mania?

Silva would kill Le.

Wow, they’re saying the 3rd was round of the year so far. I knew this would deliver.

Anderson still annihilates all.

Frank missed his chances when he had Le hurt, I give props to Le for being up in the fight till the point that Frank couldn’t continue, but he is no great fighter. Someone’s gonna put him down, but I guess not Frank’s injury-ridden ass.

I’m gonna start training MMA.

[quote comment=”393723″][quote comment=”393696″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?[/quote]

He kept it standing. One thing I noticed is that Cung dosen’t have alot of power, the damage came with repeated kicks.[/quote]

Well, think about it. If you try to force too much power to your punch or kicks, your speed will be a lot slower. With an opponent like Frank, you’re get your arms and leg twisted and broken if you’re slow. I think that’s why Cung tries to punch quick and bring his arms back. One is for defense, two, he doesn’t want to have his arm hanging out there with frank on the opposite side.

Hello fIGHT FANS

[quote comment=”393721″][quote comment=”393696″]Someone tell me this, did Frank keep it standing for the spectacle or was he unable to take Le down?[/quote]

He never even tried. Too much ego I figure.[/quote]

Not a fan? I do agree he does possess quite the ego but I like him nonetheless. He did beat up Tito so hey, what can I say.

I personally trained with Cung and fought him toe to toe, I know his power.

[quote comment=”393724″]Hmm. Gabriel Gonzaga broke Randy Couture’s arm with a kick. Cung Lee broke Frank Shamrock’s arm with a kick.

One fighter pussies out and loses the belt. The other fighter is a true champion and finds a way to triumph.[/quote]

Stupid, stupid thing to say. “Pussies out”? None of us know the severity of the break. Also, Frank was obviously depending a lot on strikes here, and losing your dominant arm can, um, sorta hurt you in that department.

Think before you comment.

Theory proven.

I was the Heavyweight US Open Champ in Eskrima, and me and Cung used to fight each other.

[quote comment=”393737″]Wow, they’re saying the 3rd was round of the year so far. I knew this would deliver.

Anderson still annihilates all.[/quote]

Mauro Ranallo is the king of hyperbole. To talk of Silva and Le in the same class is assinine.

[quote comment=”393749″][quote comment=”393724″]Hmm. Gabriel Gonzaga broke Randy Couture’s arm with a kick. Cung Lee broke Frank Shamrock’s arm with a kick.

One fighter pussies out and loses the belt. The other fighter is a true champion and finds a way to triumph.[/quote]

Stupid, stupid thing to say. “Pussies out”? None of us know the severity of the break. Also, Frank was obviously depending a lot on strikes here, and losing your dominant arm can, um, sorta hurt you in that department.

Think before you comment.[/quote]

Well said.

What about the letters Sher

anybody know where online I can watch this at?

[quote comment=”393756″]What about the letters Sher[/quote]

seemingly not hahaha

[quote comment=”393755″][quote comment=”393749″][quote comment=”393724″]Hmm. Gabriel Gonzaga broke Randy Couture’s arm with a kick. Cung Lee broke Frank Shamrock’s arm with a kick.

One fighter pussies out and loses the belt. The other fighter is a true champion and finds a way to triumph.[/quote]

Stupid, stupid thing to say. “Pussies out”? None of us know the severity of the break. Also, Frank was obviously depending a lot on strikes here, and losing your dominant arm can, um, sorta hurt you in that department.

Think before you comment.[/quote]

Well said.[/quote]

Very true. I have had two different breaks before, one far more painful and debiliating than the other so you can never just jump to conclusions.

Debilitating. My spelling really suffers when typing.

Rounds 1 and 2 definitely went to Cung, round three was probably Cungs as well. Frank was constantly on defense. Round three a little better for Frank in that he rocked Cung but Cung recovered and landed 2 more devastating kings to Franks head at the bell.

Frank collapsed on the way to the stool and had to be helped up. He was mentally rocked from repeated kicks and his arm was obviously swollen from trying to block what had to be at least 20 kicks.

Franks made a huge error in that he tried to stand with Cung the entire fight and Cung made him look like a rookie on his feet. Franks pride lost him this fight IMO.

No slam on Frank…I’m a fan but toe to toe Frank was badly outclassed by Cung. The best word I could use to describe Cung after seeing this fight is “PRECISE”.

Bo

Frank will never under estim.. Le on top again. If theres #2 Frank will Trap him and grapple to a submit like Meledes does. I know fighting.

Frank has to be the complete bully. A bully may get hit but he dosent stop till he over powers. If I trained Frank he would be the LOCOMOTIVE. CHOO CHOO

Ben & Rob, obviously you guys are die hard fans of Frank Shamrock and I’m sorry to reign on your parade but he fought a stupid fight. This is mixed martial arts, not ultimate kick boxing. He chose to stand with a superior striker and refused to take Cung Le down because in his pre-fight interviews, he said that Cung would be the one to wimp out and try to take the fight to the ground.

Face it. Frank’s ego got the best of him. His ground skills are superior to Cung’s yet he chose to stand and bang and suffered the consequences.

The best pound for pound fighters are well rounded in all areas. Frank will never be one until he puts his ego aside and decides to exploit his opponent’s weaknesses.

I don’t know the extent of the damages to his arm but I can tell you this: Randy sustained a broken arm when kicked by Gonzaga. Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia’s arm and Tim was still ready, willing, and able to continue. Herb Dean had to stop that fight! On the other hand, Frank Shamrock breaks his arm and suddenly can’t continue.

The guy doesn’t belong in the UFC FOR A REASON. His ego was hurt because he was in a losing battle. Instead of risking a KO loss to Cung Le, he pussed out by claiming that his arm hurt.

I know it hurts your feelings but sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.

It sounds to me that Shamrock was trying to keep the fight going by not taking Le down and paid the price by letting himself get kicked too much. Every time Ranallo commentates he exaggerates the significance of the round, fight and the event on the whole.

From what I read it sounds like Frank cann’t block a kick to the face to save his life or jaw.

Alex , I personally fought Cung and I know his power if I kick Cung 15 times in his arm hes in trouble.

cung vs frank.. thought to be a fix.. check this out its interesting to say the least..
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=733703

[quote comment=”393770″]Ben & Rob, obviously you guys are die hard fans of Frank Shamrock and I’m sorry to reign on your parade but he fought a stupid fight. This is mixed martial arts, not ultimate kick boxing. He chose to stand with a superior striker and refused to take Cung Le down because in his pre-fight interviews, he said that Cung would be the one to wimp out and try to take the fight to the ground.

Face it. Frank’s ego got the best of him. His ground skills are superior to Cung’s yet he chose to stand and bang and suffered the consequences.

The best pound for pound fighters are well rounded in all areas. Frank will never be one until he puts his ego aside and decides to exploit his opponent’s weaknesses.

I don’t know the extent of the damages to his arm but I can tell you this: Randy sustained a broken arm when kicked by Gonzaga. Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia’s arm and Tim was still ready, willing, and able to continue. Herb Dean had to stop that fight! On the other hand, Frank Shamrock breaks his arm and suddenly can’t continue.

The guy doesn’t belong in the UFC FOR A REASON. His ego was hurt because he was in a losing battle. Instead of risking a KO loss to Cung Le, he pussed out by claiming that his arm hurt.

I know it hurts your feelings but sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.[/quote]

I’m far from a huge Shamrock fan, and was thrilled to see Cung get the win (despite my original prediction being that Cung would be destroyed in short order).

The point is, your basing your ideas on conjecture. The facts are that, in the replay, you can clearly see Frank’s arm “give” where Cung’s kick landed. It didn’t look pretty. And he immediately reacted by shaking his arm out, which should put to rest any theories that he made the injury up to duck out (not that you’re implying it was).

Tim Sylvia is a mongoloid who probably feels no pain, so he shouldn’t even be mentioned here. As for Couture, well, I said it earlier — none of us can speculate on the severity of the break. The only thing that’s clear is that Frank took repeated kicks to his right arm, which was visibly welted and swollen.

Actually, I don’t even know how any of what I said can be construed as sympathetic to Shamrock. He lost the fight, for whatever reason (I’m still not sure whether it was due to his ego in not going for takedowns or simply because he was outclassed), and that’s that.

Great fight. MMA fans gotta give Le all the credit. His style completely baffled Frank in this fight. Many people are saying that Frank should have taken him to the ground, but I think Le’s takedown defense is way underestimated. He has great balance, a low center of gravity and lots of strength. He is already one of the top ten or fifteen 185lb fighters in MMA already after only 6 fights. I have seen him fight 15-20 times now, and in virtually every fight his opponets lose their will to compete at some point in the fight. Tonight was no different, Shamrock was mentally defeated by Le’s non-stop attacks and confusing style. Heres to watching the next MMA superstar; I for one will not be missing any Cung Le fights in the future. WAR LE!

[quote comment=”393755″][quote comment=”393749″][quote comment=”393724″]Hmm. Gabriel Gonzaga broke Randy Couture’s arm with a kick. Cung Lee broke Frank Shamrock’s arm with a kick.

One fighter pussies out and loses the belt. The other fighter is a true champion and finds a way to triumph.[/quote]

Stupid, stupid thing to say. “Pussies out”? None of us know the severity of the break. Also, Frank was obviously depending a lot on strikes here, and losing your dominant arm can, um, sorta hurt you in that department.

Think before you comment.[/quote]

Well said.[/quote]

You guys are right. After re-watching the fight, Frank did look like he had a serious injury. I jumped the gun considering how he quit on the Renzo fight when he was losing.

[quote comment=”393783″]Great fight. MMA fans gotta give Le all the credit. His style completely baffled Frank in this fight. Many people are saying that Frank should have taken him to the ground, but I think Le’s takedown defense is way underestimated. He has great balance, a low center of gravity and lots of strength. He is already one of the top ten or fifteen 185lb fighters in MMA already after only 6 fights. I have seen him fight 15-20 times now, and in virtually every fight his opponets lose their will to compete at some point in the fight. Tonight was no different, Shamrock was mentally defeated by Le’s non-stop attacks and confusing style. [quote post=”5571″]Heres to watching the next MMA superstar[/quote]
; I for one will not be missing any Cung Le fights in the future. WAR LE![/quote]

A superstar with no ground game? It’s kinda funny. After almost every card people have kneejerk reactions to the quality of the card etc.

[quote post=”5571″]Tim Sylvia is a mongoloid who probably feels no pain, so he shouldn’t even be mentioned here. [/quote]

He screamed when Mir had him in a heel hook.

Point of note, even when Couture’s arm broke, he was clearly winning the fight. Couture took the tough road and gutted out the pain and finished his match.

Frank, this fight was a see saw battle and Frank was clearly not in the same dominant position Couture was in. If anything, Frank can be blamed for not being better prepared and his poor choice in standing with a superior striker. Cung Le is not like Baroni as he has better striking technique, endurance, and ring tactics than Baroni.

In any case, its entertaining to see frank lose again. Lets see what his excuse will be this time.

[quote comment=”393770″]Ben & Rob, obviously you guys are die hard fans of Frank Shamrock and I’m sorry to reign on your parade but he fought a stupid fight. This is mixed martial arts, not ultimate kick boxing. He chose to stand with a superior striker and refused to take Cung Le down because in his pre-fight interviews, he said that Cung would be the one to wimp out and try to take the fight to the ground.

Face it. Frank’s ego got the best of him. His ground skills are superior to Cung’s yet he chose to stand and bang and suffered the consequences.

The best pound for pound fighters are well rounded in all areas. Frank will never be one until he puts his ego aside and decides to exploit his opponent’s weaknesses.

I don’t know the extent of the damages to his arm but I can tell you this: Randy sustained a broken arm when kicked by Gonzaga. Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia’s arm and Tim was still ready, willing, and able to continue. Herb Dean had to stop that fight! On the other hand, Frank Shamrock breaks his arm and suddenly can’t continue.

The guy doesn’t belong in the UFC FOR A REASON. His ego was hurt because he was in a losing battle. Instead of risking a KO loss to Cung Le, he pussed out by claiming that his arm hurt.

I know it hurts your feelings but sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.[/quote]

I actually agree with everything you say about his ego and I’m very happy for Cung Le, I mean you can see that from my previous posts. I am a fan of Frank, for what he has done for the sport and for how he wants to see the fighters paid accordingly. Yeah his ego is huge, overinflated even, but he’s a pioneer in the sport.

No question he fought a silly fight by not playing to his strengths and he deserved to lose. However you can’t call him a pussy if his arm happens to be shattered. That’s my only disagreeance, I don’t mean to argue purely for the sake of it.

If FJS doesn’t have a broken arm, well then fair enough, a pussy he is. I just respect those guys for what they do, no one has the right to fighter bash unless they are one. You can’t begin to understand what the game is actually all about unless you do it for real.

[quote comment=”393782″][quote comment=”393770″]Ben & Rob, obviously you guys are die hard fans of Frank Shamrock and I’m sorry to reign on your parade but he fought a stupid fight. This is mixed martial arts, not ultimate kick boxing. He chose to stand with a superior striker and refused to take Cung Le down because in his pre-fight interviews, he said that Cung would be the one to wimp out and try to take the fight to the ground.

Face it. Frank’s ego got the best of him. His ground skills are superior to Cung’s yet he chose to stand and bang and suffered the consequences.

The best pound for pound fighters are well rounded in all areas. Frank will never be one until he puts his ego aside and decides to exploit his opponent’s weaknesses.

I don’t know the extent of the damages to his arm but I can tell you this: Randy sustained a broken arm when kicked by Gonzaga. Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia’s arm and Tim was still ready, willing, and able to continue. Herb Dean had to stop that fight! On the other hand, Frank Shamrock breaks his arm and suddenly can’t continue.

The guy doesn’t belong in the UFC FOR A REASON. His ego was hurt because he was in a losing battle. Instead of risking a KO loss to Cung Le, he pussed out by claiming that his arm hurt.

I know it hurts your feelings but sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.[/quote]

I’m far from a huge Shamrock fan, and was thrilled to see Cung get the win (despite my original prediction being that Cung would be destroyed in short order).

The point is, your basing your ideas on conjecture. The facts are that, in the replay, you can clearly see Frank’s arm “give” where Cung’s kick landed. It didn’t look pretty. And he immediately reacted by shaking his arm out, which should put to rest any theories that he made the injury up to duck out (not that you’re implying it was).

Tim Sylvia is a mongoloid who probably feels no pain, so he shouldn’t even be mentioned here. As for Couture, well, I said it earlier — none of us can speculate on the severity of the break. The only thing that’s clear is that Frank took repeated kicks to his right arm, which was visibly welted and swollen.

Actually, I don’t even know how any of what I said can be construed as sympathetic to Shamrock. He lost the fight, for whatever reason (I’m still not sure whether it was due to his ego in not going for takedowns or simply because he was outclassed), and that’s that.[/quote]

I think it’s a bit of both. He lost because of his HUGE ego and he was outclassed. When do you suppose fighters will realize that a win, is a win, is a win? As long as the fight is exciting, I don’t care if the fight ends via decision, submission, KO, or TKO.

Frank could’ve won that fight but instead he was content with blocking Cung Le’s kicks which cost him the fight.

[quote comment=”393789″][quote post=”5571″]Tim Sylvia is a mongoloid who probably feels no pain, so he shouldn’t even be mentioned here. [/quote]

He screamed when Mir had him in a heel hook.[/quote]

I meant AA, excuse me.

Uh, I was joking.

Gilbert Melendez was actually kinda boring for me. content to sit in guard and hammerfist. effective, hes a bad ass and all…but at least sean sherk attempts to improve his position and shows some bjj top control. that was a mini-Kerr.

[quote comment=”393776″]cung vs frank.. thought to be a fix.. check this out its interesting to say the least..
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=733703/quote

Well you know Gary Shaw is or was a boxing promoter and we all know what happens in boxing. Both fighters have big followings and a rematch would give them another good card.

[quote comment=”393797″][quote comment=”393789″][quote post=”5571″]Tim Sylvia is a mongoloid who probably feels no pain, so he shouldn’t even be mentioned here. [/quote]

He screamed when Mir had him in a heel hook.[/quote]

I meant AA, excuse me.[/quote]

I never laughed so hard.

[quote comment=”393770″]Ben & Rob, obviously you guys are die hard fans of Frank Shamrock and I’m sorry to reign on your parade but he fought a stupid fight. This is mixed martial arts, not ultimate kick boxing. He chose to stand with a superior striker and refused to take Cung Le down because in his pre-fight interviews, he said that Cung would be the one to wimp out and try to take the fight to the ground.

Face it. Frank’s ego got the best of him. His ground skills are superior to Cung’s yet he chose to stand and bang and suffered the consequences.

The best pound for pound fighters are well rounded in all areas. Frank will never be one until he puts his ego aside and decides to exploit his opponent’s weaknesses.

I don’t know the extent of the damages to his arm but I can tell you this: Randy sustained a broken arm when kicked by Gonzaga. Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia’s arm and Tim was still ready, willing, and able to continue. Herb Dean had to stop that fight! On the other hand, Frank Shamrock breaks his arm and suddenly can’t continue.

The guy doesn’t belong in the UFC FOR A REASON. His ego was hurt because he was in a losing battle. Instead of risking a KO loss to Cung Le, he pussed out by claiming that his arm hurt.

I know it hurts your feelings but sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.[/quote]

Jake: I wont disagree with any of that!

Ken Shamrock is a joke!

[quote comment=”393788″][quote comment=”393783″]Great fight. MMA fans gotta give Le all the credit. His style completely baffled Frank in this fight. Many people are saying that Frank should have taken him to the ground, but I think Le’s takedown defense is way underestimated. He has great balance, a low center of gravity and lots of strength. He is already one of the top ten or fifteen 185lb fighters in MMA already after only 6 fights. I have seen him fight 15-20 times now, and in virtually every fight his opponets lose their will to compete at some point in the fight. Tonight was no different, Shamrock was mentally defeated by Le’s non-stop attacks and confusing style. [quote post=”5571″]Heres to watching the next MMA superstar[/quote]
; I for one will not be missing any Cung Le fights in the future. WAR LE![/quote]

A superstar with no ground game? It’s kinda funny. After almost every card people have kneejerk reactions to the quality of the card etc.[/quote]

It is not a knee jerk reaction. Cung Le has been a professional fighter for over 15 years, (San Shou has MMA elements, and he was the best in the world there) has an MMA record now of 6-0 w/all 6 wins by KO/TKO. He just beat one of the top 10 or 15 guys in a weight division one over where he should be fighting. Absolutely not knee jerk reaction.

[quote comment=”393633″]Frank by sub 2nd!!!!!![/quote]
WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED TO FRANK’S ARM?

[quote comment=”394295″][quote comment=”393633″]Frank by sub 2nd!!!!!![/quote]
WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED TO FRANK’S ARM?[/quote]

Melendez came through AGAIN and won me some change!! Too bad the odds were 650 !!! O my goodness!! can it get any steeper?! GNP all day!! YEA!!