Former UFC heavyweight champion, Tim Sylvia, and the organization have mutually agreed to part ways, according to a recent interview that just aired on “Inside MMA” on the HDNet network.
The “Maine-iac” had one fight remaining on his existing deal.
During the announcement, he also revealed that he has signed a non-exclusive contract with the former M-1 Global promotion, which has been renamed to “Adrenaline MMA” after a recent split with its Russian counterpart.
In addition, Monte Cox — the head of Adrenaline MMA and Sylvia’s long-time agent — broke news that former IFL heavyweight stand out, Ben Rothwell, has also been inked to a deal.
Adrenaline MMA has targeted its debut show for June 14 at the Sears Center in Chicago, Illinois.
Sylvia mentioned that the split was amicable and that he intends to return to the Octagon later in his career.
The Miletich-trained fighter first debuted with the organization back in 2002, stopping Wesley “Cabbage” Correira via technical knockout at UFC 39: “The Warriors Return.”
Sylvia later went on to capture the heavyweight title on two different occasions when he stopped Ricco Rodriguez in 2003 and later Andrei Arlovski in 2006.
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Really? Not surprising
I don’t really get this move from either perspective. It won’t do anything for the UFC, and it certainly won’t help Sylvia’s career for the long term.
[quote comment=”393104″]I don’t really get this move from either perspective. It won’t do anything for the UFC, and it certainly won’t help Sylvia’s career for the long term.[/quote]
Both the UFC and Sylvia apparently disagree. To be a fly on that wall.
I agree Mania. It wont help sylvia’s career, and while i really hate the loathing sack of crisco, I give him his due and just maybe he will get his chance to face the best. M-1 outsources their fighters so i wont be surprised to see him in Japan fighting in a dream promotion.
on a side not, Redbelt actually looks like a decent movie. Great cast and Chiwetel Ejiofor is an amazing actor and looks to carry this film. actually looking forward to seeing this film. Ill send you a review Mania
good riddance
obviously Tim has some disagreement with the UFC…otherwise, why would he leave? Another big win and he would still be in the HW picture
Even though I’m not a big fan of Sylvia, this is definetly not a good thing for the UFC’s already dwindiling heavyweight division.
must be scared of brock
i though hed of faced mir before leaving
it does look like the top heavyweights bar NOG are outside the ufc and sylvia is a big name who can probably get more cash elsewhere
theres a chance of him facing fedor this way
a win over fedor would allow him to go back into ufc on a contract bigger than lesnars
elite xc dream strikeforce M1 etc need to work together and thankfully they seem somewhat willing to as otherwise theyll each sign 1 big name and hell have noone to fight
Sylvia is the most boring ass fighter ever, about time he left and yes the heavy weight division is a bunch of fat loosers…so sad….and very boring…
You’re a big fat loser! I bet you wouldn’t say that to his face! He’ a great fighter and a damn good man!
Maybe the UFC realizes that Tim doesnt have a huge fanbase compared to some UFC fighters like Chuck and GSP, for the length of time Tim has been around hes not much of an atraction.
When he does return to the UFC…they may try to hype his return and possibly he can retain a wider fanebase.
Sylvia was talking about it being non exclusive, so he can fight in Japan or whatever. He also mentioned Fedor, which could be a good payday if they actually get Fedor to sign a fight (obviously some issues there with the buildup to Couture/Fedor.. unless the Fedor camp has absolute confidence he will win)
Yeah, I do have to admit I’m no Tim Sylvia Fan but for christ sake can the UFC really afford to lose him? Now if the UFC knows something that we dont like they almost have Fedor to a contract & losing Tim makes part of that deal happend then congrats you made the right decision. Like Mania said to be a fly on that wall. Hmm…
I think Tim figures he can go else where and get a big paycheck, and eventually return to the UFC to maintain some sort of rank.
No loss. Why would anyone want to join M-1?
Adrenaline MMA - what a lame name.
He was a good heel in the UFC, but I’m personally glad he’s gone. His fights were mostly lackluster except for a few exceptions. He was the stereotypical, Miletich archetype always relying on the lay and pray.
It’ll be interesting to see him return later in the future when Brock Lesnar has about 6 or 7 fights in the Octagon under him.
I think that the UFC is going to miss his charisma - not.
big tim is a decent fighter but dont u all remember he was crying bcause of the money brock got…the diffrence between the 2 nobody would pay to see tim and look how much the ufc made off of brock and mir
timmy needs to understand he needs the ufc more then they need him…maybe he can be a champ in that broke ass place he is in now
What do you think does for Arlovski? I think it does nothing but HELP him big time. First of all, it was the only current UFC fighter who holds win(s) over him and now he’s gone? AA has a clear path and now the UFC is freed up of a big contract i.e. more money for them to spend on UFC.
I see no way Arlovski is allowed to walk away. White and the UFC will get ‘er done so to speak.
baby bye bye bye.
[quote comment=”393138″]What do you think does for Arlovski? I think it does nothing but HELP him big time. First of all, it was the only current UFC fighter who holds win(s) over him and now he’s gone? AA has a clear path and now the UFC is freed up of a big contract i.e. more money for them to spend on UFC.
I see no way Arlovski is allowed to walk away. White and the UFC will get ‘er done so to speak.[/quote]
Good point. Sylvia is not marketable (neither is Rothwell). All of these new promotions will get lost in the shuffle.
Please stop the hate. Tim was a great fighter, with a great record and has always been doubted by fans that got spoiled by his early ufc knockouts. I wish him the best and will always be a fan. Good luck Tim.
i’m not bothered about Tim leaving (as i’m sure no one else is) but the UFC heavyweight division is weak…
Granted big Nog is a good champion but who can challenge him? Heath Herring…again (please no), Brock is years away from a title shot, Coleman (times are that hard that he may get a shot), Kongo (would get submitted by Nog within the 1st round), Gonzaga (no cardio and has lost his last 2 fights)
So all thats left is Werdum or Vera…Vera vs Nog would be good but i don’t see any depth in this division.
Just had to let Muscle Dolphin know i LMAO at his name… Hahahahahah thats great.
Okay with Tim out of the picture…who out there is going to challenge Big NOG for the title? My guess is that they have a fight between Mir and Werdum. And despite him losing to Tim…where does Vera fit in this picture…did he not destroy Mir in less than a minute? And what about Kongo or Herring..clearly the heavyweight division is the most messed up division in the UFC today.
It is quite funny…weren’t we having this problem with the lightweight a while ago?
Dana has got to pull his head out of his *$$ and resign Arlovski to set up a fight with Mir for a number one contender to Big NOG. Cause I don’t see Randy coming back and don’t think Mir has earned his title match yet.
Dana is banking on Lesnar and Shane Carwin for the future.
UFC is running low on HW contenders look they lost Cro-cop, Tim, AA and Randy. What are they trying to do cut down.
Ok so they do have some good names Brock, Mir, Nog, Vera, Kongo. I think you will end up seeing a few more names added to the roster.
I really think they should not cap it or at least have a super heavy so Slice and Sapp can join in the fun.
Make the Heavy weight division 206 to 240. And a SHW from 240 up… Brock could feel comfortable there for sure. And it might tempt some of the LHW to bump up for the odd fight.
There really needs to be a SUPER BOWL so each mma organization can show off thier guys. Until then it will be not considered mainstream… Think about it all the big sports have a finally. Basically you would be fighting for your “TEAM” and the team with the most points wins.
UFC would be stacked but maybe that would pressure others to sign bigger names. And the UFC could keep thier nose up in the air. There is a FW, Lw, WW, Mw, Lhw, Hw now add a SHW division and you have a great way to do tie breakers.
Have a 3 month play down. Feb = 8%2
And here I thought his announcement was to say he pooped his pants again.
man, weather you like him or not infact he’s a tough match up for everyone in the division. im sure if he’s fighting one of your favorite heavyweights, you’re wishing that tim will not be able to hit his opponent cleanl w/a clean punch or his opponent will go down,
infact i dont like him too,but he’s a tough macthup for anybody
good riddance to bad rubbish. he may very well be the most boring big man in the game. I doubt he’ll fight Fedor either, especially after Fedor left M1. I just hope Andre re-signs with UFC.
I’m sure I’d like Tim Sylvia as a person, but boy, I sure don’t care for him as a fighter. I cheered when Randy beat him - not because Randy won, but because we wouldn’t have to watch boring-ass Tim as champion anymore.
In the short term this departure may further weaken the HW division, but long term, I think it a good thing.
How can Dana NOT sign Fedor?!?!?!?
I think it was between AA or tim and they went with arlovski.
[quote comment=”393152″]Okay with Tim out of the picture…who out there is going to challenge Big NOG for the title? My guess is that they have a fight between Mir and Werdum. And despite him losing to Tim…where does Vera fit in this picture…did he not destroy Mir in less than a minute? And what about Kongo or Herring..clearly the heavyweight division is the most messed up division in the UFC today.
It is quite funny…weren’t we having this problem with the lightweight a while ago?
Dana has got to pull his head out of his *$$ and resign Arlovski to set up a fight with Mir for a number one contender to Big NOG. Cause I don’t see Randy coming back and don’t think Mir has earned his title match yet.[/quote]
Just so you know - the short form for because is not ’cause’. They mean two different things. For example, the CAUSE of Tim leaving the UFC is the UFC’s complete lack of respect for him as a fighter. I’m sure no one was happier than Dana White when Sylvia lost to Nog. As much as I like and respect Sylvia for what he has accomplished in the UFC, he truly was a lame duck champion and fighter (and I’m someone who constantly stood up for Sylvia to his many critics). Once he lost to Nog it really was over for him with only one fight left on his contract. There was very little chance he could ever earn another title shot. No matter who he beat…
Unless they can KO every fighter in their path (i.e. Anderson)fighters have to be marketable. Sylvia was not…therefore the UFC could let him go.
Tim Sylvia will be fine. The UFC will be fine. The UFC’s heavyweight division will be fine. Most of the guys that people on this board CONSTANTLY mention as top heavyweights are getting a little long in the tooth (Barnett, Feder, Nog, Couture). Similar to boxing, mma is in need of new heavyweight talent.
And to those of you doubting Brock Lesnar - just wait
And to those of you who would like to see AA fight a top heavyweight - good luck. The guy got KO’d by Sylvia…he’ll get KO’d in his next fight.
With big Tim gone it totally opens the HW division back up for AA. With 2 losses to Tim he was kinda in limbo in the division. Now with Tim gone they can resign AA it will open up some good fights in the future.
It seems like all the same people who complain about boring sucky fights from Arlovsky and Sylvia are using their departures to say UFC is in trouble.
From the UFC’s perspective, getting rid of “big name” fighters who don’t put on exciting fights is a GOOD MOVE. It’s better to have great, entertaining fights with lesser names than to watch Sylvia poke-check Monson for 20 minutes. For the fans, you have more exciting fights, and for the promotion, you don’t have to lay out such huge contracts. win-win.
The HW division in the UFC may be devoid of big time names, but it’s not devoid of dudes who can put on a fight we’ll like to watch. Let’s be honest, whether it’s right or wrong, fans don’t like Sylvia, so why sink more money into a fighter that isn’t a big draw? There’s only so many $ and so many hours in the day to sink into contracts, promotion, and exposure, so why not put it on exciting, popular, fighters now and on the fighters you think will be the future?
Short version: Heavyweights that weren’t doing well when they left are not hurting the UFC by leaving.
Poor Nog takes the belt and it seems as everyones leaving.
[quote comment=”393105″][quote comment=”393104″]I don’t really get this move from either perspective. It won’t do anything for the UFC, and it certainly won’t help Sylvia’s career for the long term.[/quote]
Both the UFC and Sylvia apparently disagree. To be a fly on that wall.[/quote]
Seriously. I mean it’s clear Tim’s unhappy in the UFC, but I just don’t get it. From the UFC perspective, maybe he’s just not enough f a draw?
[quote comment=”393159″]And here I thought his announcement was to say he pooped his pants again.[/quote]
HAHA
So he is going Turkey hunting….So like we care if he goes Turkey hunting or leaves the UFC. zzzzzzzzzzzz
na na na na hey hey hey gooood byeeeee!
gl to Big Tim, hopefully he will make the most of this time, fight Fedor and Barnett.
good luck Tim. ignore the haters and go kick ass. haha, im just kidding. you suck
Sam Caplan, Mark Cuban, Monte Cox, Gary shaw the whole gang is trying to reep rewards for UFC’s hard work. Time will tell how good all of this really is for MMA.
ISnt there a conflict of interest here?
[quote comment=”393200″]Sam Caplan, Mark Cuban, Monte Cox, Gary shaw the whole gang is trying to reep rewards for UFC’s hard work. Time will tell how good all of this really is for MMA.
ISnt there a conflict of interest here?[/quote]
I AGREE!!!!!!!
BOYCOTT ALL OTHER ORGANIZATION’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch all other fight on internet for free, Don’t buy into the Bullsh it!!!!! From leeches like Cuban and Shaw…….
they r trying to ruin the future of MMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he will be back next year when the promotion fizzles out
the HW division is looking less and less stacked
adrenaline mma? bleh
he was afraid of brock lesnar dun bleieve anything else
I like Tim a lot but honestly dont think he had much left to offer the UFC’s paying audience. It makes perfect sense for both sides to part ways. Tim gets a bigger paycheck elsewhere and the UFC ‘loses’ a less than popular fighter.
Oh, and “Adrenaline MMA” is a really lame name.
goodbye tim… put a good striking display on against nog but never really enjoyed his fights anyways… dont let the door hit you on the way out…
i’m not a sylvia fan but he is a good fighter. The list of fighters who beat him tells how good you have to be to beat him. He’s boring to watch but its not his fault that so called entertainers, brandon vera, are unable to put a scratch on him
I really dont care if he is leaving. HW fights are like Boxing. Two big guys who lumber round throwing leather. With the exception of Mir & Nog few have any ground game and just look for a ko or the ref to stand it up if if goes to the mat for longer than 30 seconds.
Much prefer smaller agile fighters who showcase true MMA and cant rely on their size to dominate the fight. I would watch Clay lose 20 fights in a row putting his heart into it rather than a Sylvia/Monson or Sylvia/Vera fight again.
This is another step at progressively phasing out the HW disvision.
Nog, you better go on a diet. There won’t be a division for you shortly!!!!
* Division
[quote comment=”393265″]I really dont care if he is leaving. HW fights are like Boxing. Two big guys who lumber round throwing leather. With the exception of Mir & Nog few have any ground game and just look for a ko or the ref to stand it up if if goes to the mat for longer than 30 seconds.
Much prefer smaller agile fighters who showcase true MMA and cant rely on their size to dominate the fight. I would watch Clay lose 20 fights in a row putting his heart into it rather than a Sylvia/Monson or Sylvia/Vera fight again.[/quote]
WORD!!! (thought i would use this term even though I’m from the UK lol)
I echoed these same sentiments on the previous NOG thread
He could go fight josh barrnet, fedor or just go and give that fool big foot a slap. This could be a big move on both parts. Tim could float around fighting top hws earn lots of money return to the ufc with a bigger stock and justify a bigger contract.
[quote comment=”393168″]It seems like all the same people who complain about boring sucky fights from Arlovsky and Sylvia are using their departures to say UFC is in trouble.
From the UFC’s perspective, getting rid of “big name” fighters who don’t put on exciting fights is a GOOD MOVE. It’s better to have great, entertaining fights with lesser names than to watch Sylvia poke-check Monson for 20 minutes. For the fans, you have more exciting fights, and for the promotion, you don’t have to lay out such huge contracts. win-win.
The HW division in the UFC may be devoid of big time names, but it’s not devoid of dudes who can put on a fight we’ll like to watch. Let’s be honest, whether it’s right or wrong, fans don’t like Sylvia, so why sink more money into a fighter that isn’t a big draw? There’s only so many $ and so many hours in the day to sink into contracts, promotion, and exposure, so why not put it on exciting, popular, fighters now and on the fighters you think will be the future?
Short version: Heavyweights that weren’t doing well when they left are not hurting the UFC by leaving.[/quote]
i agree with 100% and there was more action in 1 minute 20 secons of lesner vs mir than 30 minutes in silvia vs monson/vera
[quote comment=”393148″]i’m not bothered about Tim leaving (as i’m sure no one else is) but the UFC heavyweight division is weak…
Granted big Nog is a good champion but who can challenge him? Heath Herring…again (please no), Brock is years away from a title shot, Coleman (times are that hard that he may get a shot), Kongo (would get submitted by Nog within the 1st round), Gonzaga (no cardio and has lost his last 2 fights)
So all thats left is Werdum or Vera…Vera vs Nog would be good but i don’t see any depth in this division.[/quote]
Brock really isn’t that far froma title shot. Two or three wins, maybe. And since his next one will be a three-minute smashing of Coleman you can forget about Coleman fighting Nog. [quote post=”5564″]I really think they should not cap it or at least have a super heavy so Slice and Sapp can join in the fun.[/quote]
Sapp is a sideshow, and Kimbo only weighs about 235-240. He looks huge, but he’s well under the HW threshhold.
Tim might end up fighting cro cop under the DREAM banner. Sounds good? NO! would be lame, cos any fight with Big Tim is boring! He has no desire to fight, he just has a game plan to win.
Jab Jab (keep away from those kicks) then shoot an lay maybe abit of hugging.
He will not fight Fedor, the russians will not deal with M1 anymore plus it would be too big of a risk for Fedor.
ufc sucks overrated
loosing Fedor to get Tim… nice exchange Monte
[quote comment=”393296″]ufc sucks overrated[/quote]
I’m begining to think the same thing.. i,m not the biggest tim silvia fan and he might not be the most exciting fighter in the world but he’s been there or there abouts for a few years now.. Ufc heavyweight division has now officially become a joke, full of has been’s and never will be’s. i wish tim silvia all the best in whatever he does.. Fuk all the haters tim, ur doing the right thing by jumping ship..
[quote comment=”393296″]ufc sucks overrated[/quote]
Who do you watch then?
[quote comment=”393296″]ufc sucks overrated[/quote]
No it doesn’t. Just the HW division at present. No one is complaining about LW,WW,MW or LHW.
[quote comment=”393112″]must be scared of brock
i though hed of faced mir before leaving
it does look like the top heavyweights bar NOG are outside the ufc and sylvia is a big name who can probably get more cash elsewhere
theres a chance of him facing fedor this way
a win over fedor would allow him to go back into ufc on a contract bigger than lesnars
[/quote]
The win over Fedor would grant him big $$$$d would squash the Couture/Fedor hype. I think he he has the skills to do it. He has a strong clench game, solid jab, and big kicks…
[quote comment=”393310″][quote comment=”393296″]ufc sucks overrated[/quote]
No it doesn’t. Just the HW division at present. No one is complaining about LW,WW,MW or LHW.[/quote]
The middle weight div. not that great either right now.(no challenger’s)
Who knows maybe Frank Mir will take over again HAHAHA
I want to see Fedor fighting Tim… Fedor has fought some fairy non credible opponents recently and a win over big Timmy would help his reputation.
Lets see Tim vs Cro Cop too… should be entertaining
Good Bye!
I never want to see Timayyy fight again.
Go get finished by Fedor or Barnett.
By then the UFC will have replaced him
with better, younger and more marketable talent.
And not Tim another Superman tattoo won’t help.
And all you people were so confident that he wasn’t leaving the UFC lol.
I don’t get why he said he would come back to the UFC one day. When? After TUF 8, and there’s a bunch more HW? Or does he have to build his confidance again like Cro Cop. I don’t see why he should have left in the first place, but I really don’t see a reason to bring him back unless somehow he fights and beats Fedor…..lol
[quote comment=”393166″][quote comment=”393152″]Okay with Tim out of the picture…who out there is going to challenge Big NOG for the title? My guess is that they have a fight between Mir and Werdum. And despite him losing to Tim…where does Vera fit in this picture…did he not destroy Mir in less than a minute? And what about Kongo or Herring..clearly the heavyweight division is the most messed up division in the UFC today.
It is quite funny…weren’t we having this problem with the lightweight a while ago?
Dana has got to pull his head out of his *$$ and resign Arlovski to set up a fight with Mir for a number one contender to Big NOG. Cause I don’t see Randy coming back and don’t think Mir has earned his title match yet.[/quote]
Just so you know - the short form for because is not ’cause’. They mean two different things. For example, the CAUSE of Tim leaving the UFC is the UFC’s complete lack of respect for him as a fighter. I’m sure no one was happier than Dana White when Sylvia lost to Nog. As much as I like and respect Sylvia for what he has accomplished in the UFC, he truly was a lame duck champion and fighter (and I’m someone who constantly stood up for Sylvia to his many critics). Once he lost to Nog it really was over for him with only one fight left on his contract. There was very little chance he could ever earn another title shot. No matter who he beat…
Unless they can KO every fighter in their path (i.e. Anderson)fighters have to be marketable. Sylvia was not…therefore the UFC could let him go.
Tim Sylvia will be fine. The UFC will be fine. The UFC’s heavyweight division will be fine. Most of the guys that people on this board CONSTANTLY mention as top heavyweights are getting a little long in the tooth (Barnett, Feder, Nog, Couture). Similar to boxing, mma is in need of new heavyweight talent.
And to those of you doubting Brock Lesnar - just wait
And to those of you who would like to see AA fight a top heavyweight - good luck. The guy got KO’d by Sylvia…he’ll get KO’d in his next fight.[/quote]
Sorry didn’t realize that this was a site where grammar really was a concern.
I am simply stating that by the looks of things we will be waiting till 2009 before we see another fight for the heavyweight title…in my mind no one in UFC right now deserves a title shot and only a small hand full are one/two fights away from a title match. Who are those fighters…not sure but certainly isn’t Lesnar. Not at least until Lesnar spends a whole heck of a lot more time in the cage learning grappling.
With the exit of Randy, Tim and possibly Andre Arlovski…you got to wonder if Fedor even wants to sign with UFC. Of course that is unless he wants to dodge any of the three previously mentioned.
Those non exclusive contracts are starting to look really attractive to fighters.
M-1 couldnt do anything with Fedor, so what do they expect to accomplish with Sylvia?
they are probably going to have Sylvia vs. Rothwell, many fans dont know that these 2 have actually fought, during the early stages of their careers, If I remember correctly, I believe Sylvia won that fight.
M-1 or Adrenaline MMa, is only going to be able to produce like 1 show every 4 months, so Sylvia is going to get pimped out to other organizations which is good for him, because he will be able to travel from organization to organization competing against All the top heavyweights.
Lets be honest, at this point in time, there isnt much left for Big Tim in the UFC. He has faced:
Randy
Nogueira
Arlovski 3 times
Mir
Verra
Let him go around the world for a year or 2 and hopefully we get to see match ups involving him that were not possible in the UFC. For example:
Tim vs. Fedor
Tim vs. Barnett
Tim could make some money off of a rematch with Ricco in eliteXC or antonio Silva
Tim vs. Cro Cop
Tim vs. Kharitonov
A great match up would be Sylvia vs. Mark Hunt!!!!! I would pay to see that 1!
So as an mma fan, this is actually whats best. there are very few appealing fights for TIM left in the UFC, but there are some very interestiong matches out there for him outside of the UFC.
Truth be told, we, as fans, need Lesnar to get better. Send him over to AKA or something, they seems to know how to handle wrestlers.
ufc could be the best if they get rid of dana white his an idiot and we should see fighter fight more than 2 to 3 times a year and to get more involved with other mma organizations
Tim Sylvia says:
“I’ll be real active, fighting six or seven times a year,” Sylvia said. “Adrenaline is a new company that’s just starting up, but they’re allowing fighters to fight outside of their organization. That’s huge… Take for instance my last fight. Granted, I loss, but I came out of there unhurt and unscathed. I could have fought a week or two later.
“Being 32 years old, I have four or five good years ahead of me. I plan to make the most of it.”
He thinks he will be able to fight 6 or 7 times a year? Thats crazy! In order to do that he will have to be matched up against some CANS, cause you cant fight 6 or 7 top heavyweights per year!
A great match up for Sylvia would be against Aleksander Emeilienenko, but who the hell really knows what will happen with the Russians, and were they will end up fighting.
I feel bad for Nogueria, he came to the UFC believing that he would be entering the best and most complete Heavyweight division in the world, and 9 months later the division is desolving.
At this point who does he defend his title against?
Werdum?
Arlovski (if he even gets re signed?)
The heavyweight division is a complete mess. Fedor truly is great. Him not choosing to sign with the UFC destroyed the whole division. That is a powerful man. He never even fought in the UFC and has had so much impact on the division….Its amazing!
I have no idea where Dana goes from here?
They got a real legend as there heavyweight champion, but no contendors…what a mess!
[quote comment=”393358″]ufc could be the best if they get rid of dana white his an idiot and we should see fighter fight more than 2 to 3 times a year and to get more involved with other mma organizations[/quote]
Dana’s far from perfect, but he’s probably the hardest working man in MMA. I think he needs a voice in his ear though. Dana is street smart, but if you pair him up with a business genius who has no bias towards particular fighters, then we could MMA grow even quicker than it is.
[quote comment=”393340″]Truth be told, we, as fans, need Lesnar to get better. Send him over to AKA or something, they seems to know how to handle wrestlers.[/quote]
That’s not a bad idea at all. He COULD train with Miletich, but I’m afraid Miletich will turn him into a boring Tim Sylvia style fighter. I don’t like to knock Tim Sylvia’s accomplishments, but someone with his size and skill should be finishing more fights.
i know the heavyweight division is a complete mess, alot of people know it, i think the ufc knows it also will cro cop gone, the randy mess, tim’s exit, and maybe arlovski. these are marquee names. i have what little faith i have that the ufc will bounce back and resign arlovski plus or i really think with this now the ufc will get the fedor deal done, think of it as a sports agency, you don’t want some of your better clients going to your competitors and if you do you usually do one of two things.. one take there best clients or sign better ones for your own agency
Love him or hate him, Tim will kick any HW ass out there. He’ll be a force anywhere he go’s. Bad move for the the UFC
first and formost the UFC us not in the business of selling fights, they sell entertainment.
Entertainers = payday.
bottom line.
I don’t think a move to Adrenaline is going to hurt Tim Sylvia at all. He had nowhere to go in the UFC. He would either be stuck fighting the contenders (Herring, Lesner, Kongo, etc.) where a win would mean nothing. Or he would lose to Nogueira again. In Adrenaline there are currently no big heavyweights around to challenge him so he will be able to rule the promotion for as long as he likes. I’m also happy to see Rothwell making a slight move up in promotions also. I want to see what he can do against some real competition (Ricco Rodriguez does not count).
Mir could well be champ again. I see him submitting Nog. And Lesnar COULD end up being a beast with his speed and skills. At the end of the day, Randy was just a wrestler (yes very good 1 I know).
Dana does need to spend on this division though it’s going down boxing’s road.
Whoah, the HW division is such BS at the moment, I feel bad for Nog with everyone leaving. They can still turn things around big time. Here’s how.
Nail Arlovski down for another 4/5 fights at least. Give him the Crocop money. So his pay goes from 170k to 350k. Everyone’s happy there. Tempt in Barnett with the leftover 180k from Mirko’s money to show if you know what I mean. Actually, maybe even more.
Then get Fedor, get him godammit. Give him the money they offered last time and let him compete in Sambo if that’s the problem. Maybe they have to sign Aleks too.
So that means Couture, Crocop and Sylvia out but Barnett, Fedor and Aleks in.
It won’t happen because things aren’t that simple but I would happy with the division again.
[quote comment=”393371″]I don’t think a move to Adrenaline is going to hurt Tim Sylvia at all. He had nowhere to go in the UFC. He would either be stuck fighting the contenders (Herring, Lesner, Kongo, etc.) where a win would mean nothing. Or he would lose to Nogueira again. In Adrenaline there are currently no big heavyweights around to challenge him so he will be able to rule the promotion for as long as he likes. I’m also happy to see Rothwell making a slight move up in promotions also. I want to see what he can do against some real competition (Ricco Rodriguez does not count).[/quote]
Agreed.
This is a good move for both parties. Tim will probably fight two of these three fighters: Cro Cop, Barnett, Fedor. If he does well he can come back and get an immediate c-ship fight (same thing goes for Cro Cop - UFC will have one of those two guys come back in about 1 1/2 years) Now pressure is on UFC to re-sign AA and make a hard push for Fedor. By the way, when either Big Tim or Cro-Cop re-enters the UFC, Lesnar will be ready to step up competition. Long way from now, but thats the fun of looking ahead.
[quote comment=”393195″]good luck Tim. ignore the haters and go kick ass. haha, im just kidding. you suck[/quote]
Tim’s ufc status will be a big draw for any other venue, especially if he gets beat.
if it enables them to re-sign a.a., good deal. if not a.a. could go to m1 as well, not good. i dont think these non-exclusive contracts are all that great. at least in the ufc you know your gonna get paid what they say their gonna pay you. i think dana is looking to the future w/ brock,cain, and carwin. also w/ tims money and cro-cops money and probably randys it leaves the door open for big free-agents to sign, maybee even fedor.
See ya Lumpy
He will be back once he realizes that nobody will watch it and he will be hard up for money. When are these guys going to realize that they make money. It will never reach boxing gates. I dont care who they think they are but it wont!.
THEU UFC IS LIKE WALLMART :its all about their own brand name and the lowest price point to their fighters, randy c was right for 96% of fighters in the ufc and wec are getting rapped!!!!
competition is good imagine no Burger king or wendys?
[quote comment=”393126″]No loss. Why would anyone want to join M-1?[/quote]
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ thats why. im no timmy fan either but im sure Mark is gonna pony up the dough. Good luck Tim.
[quote comment=”393358″]ufc could be the best if they get rid of dana white his an idiot and we should see fighter fight more than 2 to 3 times a year and to get more involved with other mma organizations[/quote]
Who is doing a better job right now? Gary Shaw at Elite? The only real marketable fighter they have over there is Jake Shields. Nick Diaz is good but he has fought for everyone already. Paul Daley looked good but he just retired. KJ Noons, but he is far from UFC level…
Dreams promo? They have Aoki and Kang that is there level…
Strikeforce, M1 Who? You all shit on Dana but what are the two best and most competitive MMA promos out there? UFC and WEC, so what is the problem. The HW division is shit oh well. You all harp on these old ass HW who have been around since MMA’s sunrise. Unfortunatly thats all there is out there. The worlds “BEST” fight techno raving circus freaks, hangs on to the top rope like an APE holding on to its swinging vine when fighting someone 30#’s less then him, and frankly has not beaten anyone with any name other then Campbells. Then U got Couture crying like a baby, because Dana has not givin him his worth. Even though he gets an immediate title shot coming off of a 2 loss streak(no favors there),he is doing movies left and right, and he has the number 1 up and coming gym in the country if not the world, because of Dana White’s work and promotional skills. Waaaa life is so hard when you are doing so well. Let me fight Fedor because I do not want to be put to sleep by NOG…
Dana White and UFC/WEC are MMA, Period! They are the NY Yankees of MMA. They have their haters yes, but by and large most people who want in to a career in MMA, are trying to get in to the UFC. The Millions of fans have not been pacing their rooms to catch a glimpse of M1, elite xc, cagerage, or Dreams; everyone is itching for their monthly dose of UFC. Yeah Dana is not perfect and he is rather brash, but the reason the UFC is so succesful is because of his big brash We are the best attitude. Do you think Bill Gates is calling Steve Jobs (CEO Apple) to share new found technology? Now they are hording it to themselves, because thats what businessmen do, make money. Without that money you do not have the talent pool that 90% of the UFC has right now. Damn wake up the UFC is an LLC for a reason. To make money. They are no different then the NFL, MLB, NBA, OR NHL. all you bitch about the UFC and their contract regulations, look at the other sports, they have all sorts of stipulations, no riding motorcycles during season, dress codes, can’t engage in risky this or risky that. That is the way things are, in business.
[quote comment=”393463″]Randy c was right. 96% of the fighters in the ufc and wec are getting raped!!!![/quote]
I had never heard of Randy until he fought in the ufc. I can’t fault anyone for wanting more money. Where would most of these guys be without the UFC? How rich would they be?
They negotiate the contracts so no one is forcing them to sign right? They have the option to not sign, and take their chances eslewhere. I don’t have any sympathy for anyone who signs a contract that they’re not happy with. If you didn’t agree with it, why sign? Why sign!
[quote comment=”393555″][quote comment=”393358″]ufc could be the best if they get rid of dana white his an idiot and we should see fighter fight more than 2 to 3 times a year and to get more involved with other mma organizations[/quote]
Who is doing a better job right now? Gary Shaw at Elite? The only real marketable fighter they have over there is Jake Shields. Nick Diaz is good but he has fought for everyone already. Paul Daley looked good but he just retired. KJ Noons, but he is far from UFC level…
Dreams promo? They have Aoki and Kang that is there level…
Strikeforce, M1 Who? You all shit on Dana but what are the two best and most competitive MMA promos out there? UFC and WEC, so what is the problem. The HW division is shit oh well.
You all harp on these old ass HW who have been around since MMA’s sunrise. Unfortunatly thats all there is out there. The worlds “BEST” fight techno raving circus freaks, hangs on to the top rope like an APE holding on to its swinging vine when fighting someone 30#’s less then him, and frankly has not beaten anyone with any name other then Campbells. Then U got Couture crying like a baby, because Dana has not givin him his worth. Even though he gets an immediate title shot coming off of a 2 loss streak(no favors there),he is doing movies left and right, and he has the number 1 up and coming gym in the country if not the world, because of Dana White’s work and promotional skills. Waaaa life is so hard when you are doing so well. Let me fight Fedor because I do not want to be put to sleep by NOG…
Dana White and UFC/WEC are MMA, Period! They are the NY Yankees of MMA. They have their haters yes, but by and large most people who want in to a career in MMA, are trying to get in to the UFC. The Millions of fans have not been pacing their rooms to catch a glimpse of M1, elite xc, cagerage, or Dreams; everyone is itching for their monthly dose of UFC. Yeah Dana is not perfect and he is rather brash, but the reason the UFC is so succesful is because of his big brash We are the best attitude. Do you think Bill Gates is calling Steve Jobs (CEO Apple) to share new found technology? Now they are hording it to themselves, because thats what businessmen do, make money. Without that money you do not have the talent pool that 90% of the UFC has right now. Damn wake up the UFC is an LLC for a reason. To make money. They are no different then the NFL, MLB, NBA, OR NHL. all you bitch about the UFC and their contract regulations, look at the other sports, they have all sorts of stipulations, no riding motorcycles during season, dress codes, can’t engage in risky this or risky that. That is the way things are, in business.[/quote]
I couldn’t have put it better myself, at last some reason. UFC got rid of Tim because now he is not a champion he is not marketable at all. To be honest I don’t want to see old hats fighting for the belt lets have some young blood come through. AA in my opinion isn’t the fighter he was (since Tim KO’d him) he is now worried about getting hit, so he is no longer explosive. Also, I would have to say he was only champion when the HW division was weaker than it is now.
You know I am fed up with Randy as well, he got knocked out by Chuck twice and walked straight through and took the HW belt and defended it against a guy who now appears to have just got lucky against CroCop. That shows you how weak the HW division is, LHW is the place to be at the moment and possibly Welter and Light. The Middleweight and Heavyweight divisions are weak in comparison. Whats the answer - bring Kimbo in??? He would last 2 seconds against guys like Werdum and Mir, let alone AA and Nog. Talking of Nog, come on Fedor you have taken him once be a man and come in and take him again, I think this time you would lose and you know it.
Give it time and the HW division will grow again with younger blood, there are some good guys out there I am sure, and one thing I have learned from the UFC over the years they always have something up their sleeve.
Bring back Dan Severn - he’s on an 8 win streak!
Tim is the best fighter that ever came from New England. He could wreck any of you anonymous a#$ h&$%^s ! So why can’t you just be happy for the small town kid who made it big. Grow up!