Comments on: Strikeforce: ‘Shamrock vs. Cung Le’ conference call recap http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/ UFC news, event schedules, fight analysis, Octagon predictions, UFC fighters and MMA thoughts Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:52:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: JJ http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-385553 JJ Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:39:11 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-385553 [quote post="5390"]New MMA fans? This site has some of the most educated appreciated fans out there, ive been around, your preachin to the choir my friend. And on Shamrock, beating Tito years back was his biggest highlight he had, which doesnt make him anywhere near top tier. I don't believe Tito has gotten worse, but that the competition has gotten better, adn more of it, becuase of this I put Frank in teh same boat, him and Tito were pretty even back then, and I think Frank just cant hang with today's competition like he could with yesterday's. His most recent top tier fight was agaisnt Renzo, who was taking him down at will, and out positioning the heck out of Frank until the illegal blow. Frank is done, and let me just add, I hate him. [/quote] Brilliant post [quote post=”5390″]New MMA fans? This site has some of the most educated appreciated fans out there, ive been around, your preachin to the choir my friend. And on Shamrock, beating Tito years back was his biggest highlight he had, which doesnt make him anywhere near top tier. I don’t believe Tito has gotten worse, but that the competition has gotten better, adn more of it, becuase of this I put Frank in teh same boat, him and Tito were pretty even back then, and I think Frank just cant hang with today’s competition like he could with yesterday’s.
His most recent top tier fight was agaisnt Renzo, who was taking him down at will, and out positioning the heck out of Frank until the illegal blow. Frank is done, and let me just add, I hate him. [/quote]

Brilliant post

]]> By: jaileer http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-376442 jaileer Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:19:14 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-376442 "It's young vs. old." Does no one realize that Shamrock is only 5 MONTHS older than Le? “It’s young vs. old.”

Does no one realize that Shamrock is only 5 MONTHS older than Le?

]]> By: The Anomaly http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-375967 The Anomaly Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:27:26 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-375967 [quote comment="374679"]Jake Shields can't make an argument for #2 WW. Not even close. His competition level isn't near what the guys in the UFC have faced (GSP, Hughes, Fitch, Koscheck, Diego, Karo, Serra). His best win is Condit, and that doesn't get him even in the Top 5 WWs in the world. He may have the skills to be Top 5, but he's got to prove it first.[/quote] For one, Jake SCHOOLED Fitch in a grappling tourny a while back, so it's not like he hasnt faced competition at UFC level. Jake can definently be argued at number 2, I personally believe he is. I would love nothing more then to see him tested more and more I think he would be the best WW match up for GSP right now besides Penn. [quote comment="374186"]Seems to be so many "young" MMA fans in mmamania. Just because you don't "like" Frank does not mean you mean you have to be so biased. Look at his record FIRST! When Frank retired after beating Tito, he was the best in the business. Look at videos and record at wikipedia. Hardly any other mma star has a similar path. And he really did have a lot tough machtes back then. Now that he's back, he still nr. 1 favorite and still under 40 so not too old. I tip him based on his past and recent achievements to be the best in the world at Middleweight. Unless he gets beaten by Cung Le of course, to be fair to Cung. I've watched Silva, and i see him tied with Frank - as long as they haven't fought. People watch fights because they aren't 100% sure who'll win. Obviously based on age, Silva would have an edge. But guys: don't get brainwashed by UFC propaganda that they are the only legid mma organisation. Look at how many good guys aren't there: Fedor, Couture, Josh Barnett, Igor,Pedro Rizzo[/quote] New MMA fans? This site has some of the most educated appreciated fans out there, ive been around, your preachin to the choir my friend. And on Shamrock, beating Tito years back was his biggest highlight he had, which doesnt make him anywhere near top tier. I don't believe Tito has gotten worse, but that the competition has gotten better, adn more of it, becuase of this I put Frank in teh same boat, him and Tito were pretty even back then, and I think Frank just cant hang with today's competition like he could with yesterday's. His most recent top tier fight was agaisnt Renzo, who was taking him down at will, and out positioning the heck out of Frank until the illegal blow. Frank is done, and let me just add, I hate him. [quote comment=”374679″]Jake Shields can’t make an argument for #2 WW. Not even close. His competition level isn’t near what the guys in the UFC have faced (GSP, Hughes, Fitch, Koscheck, Diego, Karo, Serra). His best win is Condit, and that doesn’t get him even in the Top 5 WWs in the world. He may have the skills to be Top 5, but he’s got to prove it first.[/quote]
For one, Jake SCHOOLED Fitch in a grappling tourny a while back, so it’s not like he hasnt faced competition at UFC level. Jake can definently be argued at number 2, I personally believe he is. I would love nothing more then to see him tested more and more I think he would be the best WW match up for GSP right now besides Penn.
[quote comment=”374186″]Seems to be so many “young” MMA fans in mmamania.
Just because you don’t “like” Frank does not mean you mean you have to be so biased.
Look at his record FIRST!
When Frank retired after beating Tito, he was the best in the business. Look at videos and record at wikipedia. Hardly any other mma star has a similar path. And he really did have a lot tough machtes back then.

Now that he’s back, he still nr. 1 favorite and still under 40 so not too old. I tip him based on his past and recent achievements to be the best in the world at Middleweight. Unless he gets beaten by Cung Le of course, to be fair to Cung.

I’ve watched Silva, and i see him tied with Frank - as long as they haven’t fought. People watch fights because they aren’t 100% sure who’ll win. Obviously based on age, Silva would have an edge.

But guys: don’t get brainwashed by UFC propaganda that they are the only legid mma organisation. Look at how many good guys aren’t there:
Fedor, Couture, Josh Barnett, Igor,Pedro Rizzo[/quote]
New MMA fans? This site has some of the most educated appreciated fans out there, ive been around, your preachin to the choir my friend. And on Shamrock, beating Tito years back was his biggest highlight he had, which doesnt make him anywhere near top tier. I don’t believe Tito has gotten worse, but that the competition has gotten better, adn more of it, becuase of this I put Frank in teh same boat, him and Tito were pretty even back then, and I think Frank just cant hang with today’s competition like he could with yesterday’s.

His most recent top tier fight was agaisnt Renzo, who was taking him down at will, and out positioning the heck out of Frank until the illegal blow. Frank is done, and let me just add, I hate him.

]]> By: keystone http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-375103 keystone Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:06:26 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-375103 damnit Frank!!! i was just starting to like u again. why did u go running your mouth. if u ran into anderson silva?? maybe with your car. (not to steal don fryes joke on ken shamrock about the worlds most dangerous man) damnit Frank!!! i was just starting to like u again. why did u go running your mouth. if u ran into anderson silva?? maybe with your car. (not to steal don fryes joke on ken shamrock about the worlds most dangerous man)

]]> By: Hardcharger http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374679 Hardcharger Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:15:54 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374679 Jake Shields can't make an argument for #2 WW. Not even close. His competition level isn't near what the guys in the UFC have faced (GSP, Hughes, Fitch, Koscheck, Diego, Karo, Serra). His best win is Condit, and that doesn't get him even in the Top 5 WWs in the world. He may have the skills to be Top 5, but he's got to prove it first. Jake Shields can’t make an argument for #2 WW. Not even close. His competition level isn’t near what the guys in the UFC have faced (GSP, Hughes, Fitch, Koscheck, Diego, Karo, Serra). His best win is Condit, and that doesn’t get him even in the Top 5 WWs in the world. He may have the skills to be Top 5, but he’s got to prove it first.

]]> By: ViolentMike http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374652 ViolentMike Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:38:26 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374652 [quote comment="373548"]Gary Shaw: Hyping fighters is one thing and I can understand it, but calling Frank Shamrock and Jake Shields the best in the world at anything is just plain silly. Who do you expect to take these sorts of statements seriously?[/quote] Considering Frank Shamrock as the #1 MW and to be better than Anderson Silva means you are simply out of your mind. Both Shaw and Shamrock seem to think so. In a weak MW division, Frank Shamrock isn't even Top 5 anymore. However, Gary Shaw saying that Jake Shields is the Top WW in the world is not as big of a stretch. Of course, GSP is the #1 WW in the world right now, but Jake Shields can DEFINITELY make an arguement for #2. [quote comment=”373548″]Gary Shaw: Hyping fighters is one thing and I can understand it, but calling Frank Shamrock and Jake Shields the best in the world at anything is just plain silly. Who do you expect to take these sorts of statements seriously?[/quote]

Considering Frank Shamrock as the #1 MW and to be better than Anderson Silva means you are simply out of your mind. Both Shaw and Shamrock seem to think so. In a weak MW division, Frank Shamrock isn’t even Top 5 anymore.

However, Gary Shaw saying that Jake Shields is the Top WW in the world is not as big of a stretch. Of course, GSP is the #1 WW in the world right now, but Jake Shields can DEFINITELY make an arguement for #2.

]]> By: john http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374646 john Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:32:57 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374646 I really would like to see Cung Le, kick Franks head off. As for predictions, Frank is a hard fighter to predict so I really dont know how this will all shape out. I really would like to see Cung Le, kick Franks head off. As for predictions, Frank is a hard fighter to predict so I really dont know how this will all shape out.

]]> By: JJ http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374550 JJ Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:37:16 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374550 [quote post="5390"]Seems to be so many "young" MMA fans in mmamania. Just because you don't "like" Frank does not mean you mean you have to be so biased. Look at his record FIRST! When Frank retired after beating Tito, he was the best in the business. Look at videos and record at wikipedia. Hardly any other mma star has a similar path. And he really did have a lot tough machtes back then. Now that he's back, he still nr. 1 favorite and still under 40 so not too old. I tip him based on his past and recent achievements to be the best in the world at Middleweight. Unless he gets beaten by Cung Le of course, to be fair to Cung. I've watched Silva, and i see him tied with Frank - as long as they haven't fought. People watch fights because they aren't 100% sure who'll win. Obviously based on age, Silva would have an edge. But guys: don't get brainwashed by UFC propaganda that they are the only legid mma organisation. Look at how many good guys aren't there: Fedor, Couture, Josh Barnett, Igor,Pedro Rizzo [/quote] He hasnt fought anyone of great calibre in the past 8 years. His last real tough opponent was Tito. You cant consider him the best middleweight when the most notable fighter he has fought since Tito was a washed up Phil Baroni, who had him in trouble for a bit. Silva has fought real fighters now in Henderson, Franklin, Murray, Lutter. This isnt even a debate. Silva is hands down the best middleweight in the world. If they were both at their prime then maybe this would be a different story, but to consider Frank better or even equal to Silva is an insult to everyone who knows MMA. [quote post=”5390″]Seems to be so many “young” MMA fans in mmamania.
Just because you don’t “like” Frank does not mean you mean you have to be so biased.
Look at his record FIRST!
When Frank retired after beating Tito, he was the best in the business. Look at videos and record at wikipedia. Hardly any other mma star has a similar path. And he really did have a lot tough machtes back then.
Now that he’s back, he still nr. 1 favorite and still under 40 so not too old. I tip him based on his past and recent achievements to be the best in the world at Middleweight. Unless he gets beaten by Cung Le of course, to be fair to Cung.
I’ve watched Silva, and i see him tied with Frank - as long as they haven’t fought. People watch fights because they aren’t 100% sure who’ll win. Obviously based on age, Silva would have an edge.
But guys: don’t get brainwashed by UFC propaganda that they are the only legid mma organisation. Look at how many good guys aren’t there:
Fedor, Couture, Josh Barnett, Igor,Pedro Rizzo [/quote]

He hasnt fought anyone of great calibre in the past 8 years. His last real tough opponent was Tito. You cant consider him the best middleweight when the most notable fighter he has fought since Tito was a washed up Phil Baroni, who had him in trouble for a bit. Silva has fought real fighters now in Henderson, Franklin, Murray, Lutter. This isnt even a debate. Silva is hands down the best middleweight in the world. If they were both at their prime then maybe this would be a different story, but to consider Frank better or even equal to Silva is an insult to everyone who knows MMA.

]]> By: ShamrockFan http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374186 ShamrockFan Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:24:53 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-374186 Seems to be so many "young" MMA fans in mmamania. Just because you don't "like" Frank does not mean you mean you have to be so biased. Look at his record FIRST! When Frank retired after beating Tito, he was the best in the business. Look at videos and record at wikipedia. Hardly any other mma star has a similar path. And he really did have a lot tough machtes back then. Now that he's back, he still nr. 1 favorite and still under 40 so not too old. I tip him based on his past and recent achievements to be the best in the world at Middleweight. Unless he gets beaten by Cung Le of course, to be fair to Cung. I've watched Silva, and i see him tied with Frank - as long as they haven't fought. People watch fights because they aren't 100% sure who'll win. Obviously based on age, Silva would have an edge. But guys: don't get brainwashed by UFC propaganda that they are the only legid mma organisation. Look at how many good guys aren't there: Fedor, Couture, Josh Barnett, Igor,Pedro Rizzo Seems to be so many “young” MMA fans in mmamania.
Just because you don’t “like” Frank does not mean you mean you have to be so biased.
Look at his record FIRST!
When Frank retired after beating Tito, he was the best in the business. Look at videos and record at wikipedia. Hardly any other mma star has a similar path. And he really did have a lot tough machtes back then.

Now that he’s back, he still nr. 1 favorite and still under 40 so not too old. I tip him based on his past and recent achievements to be the best in the world at Middleweight. Unless he gets beaten by Cung Le of course, to be fair to Cung.

I’ve watched Silva, and i see him tied with Frank - as long as they haven’t fought. People watch fights because they aren’t 100% sure who’ll win. Obviously based on age, Silva would have an edge.

But guys: don’t get brainwashed by UFC propaganda that they are the only legid mma organisation. Look at how many good guys aren’t there:
Fedor, Couture, Josh Barnett, Igor,Pedro Rizzo

]]> By: kAiNOA PilAGO http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-373747 kAiNOA PilAGO Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:19:21 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2008/03/18/strikeforce-shamrock-vs-cung-le-conference-call-recap/#comment-373747 dont kno dat much bout cung lee. anybody got any links to vids? dont kno dat much bout cung lee. anybody got any links to vids?

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