Quinton will knockout Forrest in the 1st round Jardine style. His corner should make sure they have the hankies for the flood of tears that will come afterwards.
wow!
jardine got HELLA lucky agaisnt forrest in that fight
if u actually watch the damn fight forrest is picking jardine apart. so skill wise forrest is much better then jardine and if they were to fight again jardine would lose no doubt about it.
ALSO if rampage doesnt knock forrest out with in the first 2 rounds he will lose to forrest
and forrest has only been knocked out twice once by jardine and once by jeremy horn which again he was doing pretty damn good in the fight for being as yound as he was then. so there for rampage’s time is up as champion
I can’t believe how boring that interview was with normally two very charasmatic guys (Rampage & Forrest). They need to let Bas ask the questions, and have that other guy shut up.
Rampage is quite the character! I like forrest’s all buisness no b.s. style. No over hype lets just fight! Still I think Rampage is gonna be too much for Forrest. To strong and wont wear out. Only way Forrest will win is points. Should be a good fight though. See it going to around the 3rd before Rampage TKO’s him.
[quote comment=”364950″]I can’t believe how boring that interview was with normally two very charasmatic guys (Rampage & Forrest). They need to let Bas ask the questions, and have that other guy shut up.[/quote]
I was about to say the same thing. The whole thing was very awkward. You can tell the reporter guys were scrambling to find something to talk about.
[quote comment=”365042″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…[/quote]
I thought he sounded drugged. Didn’t seem his normal, charismatic self, anyway. Rampage is Rampage. Should be a very good fight.
Don’t forget that Forrest is training with Randy since some time. That means he will surely have the better game plan. And look at his fight with that hispanic dude (was his name Sanchez?) however you can really see the improvement in his game after joining Xtreme Couture.
It’s definitely possible for him to win this fight.
Madfist, Hector Ramirez is who youre looking for. I dont have any audio, was there anything important said? why was Rampage shaking his head, and laying his head on the table?
Rampage wins this fight 10 out of 10 times. forrest has no KO power what so ever, Rampage has ridiculous KO ability and he is by far the supperior wrestler who has controlled Dan henderson and Matt Lindland, 2 of the best wrestlers in MMA. Forrest had trouble controlling a half dead shogun for most of the fight.
Rampage has very good sumbission defense and Forrest is not at a level that will allow him to submit Rampage. If anything Forrest will only get hurt (slammed) trying to submit Rampage.
Prediction: rampage dumps Forrest on his goofy head! Rampage by KO before the 3rd round!
i don’t know what fight YOU were watching, but Rampage barely sqeaked by Henderson in their fight. Rampage is good, but not the best. He got lucky in the Liddell fight, he threw a punch that hit Liddell on the button. Lucky shot! I want to see that rematch, soon!
[quote comment=”365142″]Rampage wins this fight 10 out of 10 times. forrest has no KO power what so ever, Rampage has ridiculous KO ability and he is by far the supperior wrestler who has controlled Dan henderson and Matt Lindland, 2 of the best wrestlers in MMA. Forrest had trouble controlling a half dead shogun for most of the fight.
Rampage has very good sumbission defense and Forrest is not at a level that will allow him to submit Rampage. If anything Forrest will only get hurt (slammed) trying to submit Rampage.
Prediction: rampage dumps Forrest on his goofy head! Rampage by KO before the 3rd round![/quote]
i hope we see some of rampage’s slams he was known for some great ones in pride.i agree forrest is out matched at every skill,he is tough but just out matched in this one.
something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?
I dunno guys something tells me this fight is going to end in an awkward way. Forrest does have the reach advantage and height advantage. He’s basically taller and a little longer reach (or the same) as Liddell. But then again that really didnt matter when Rampage fought Chuck, he KO’d him. If Forrest doesnt get KO’d I think it will go to a descision…so
Rampage wins by KO/TKO or decision, or Forrest wins by submission….
[quote comment=”365195″]One things is for sure: Forrest will make this a fight. This will NOT be east for Rampage. I’m looking for Forrest to pull off the upset.[/quote]
I meant to say this won’t be EASY for rampage. Pardon me for the typo.
[quote comment=”365174″]something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?[/quote]
You know, page said in an interview that Pride offered him money to throw the fight against sakuraba, but he said he didn’t take the money. He ended up losing the fight against sakuraba but he clearly said he did not throw the fight. I know he says he’s all about the money, but that’s because he is a big clown. I don’t think that the “I’m only here to get paid” is 100% genuine.
I dont know if Forrest steps it up hes going to give Rampage some trouble remember Forrest took some nasty shoots from Tito for a whole round and stuck in there, Tito muscled him in the first but, then couldnt take him down maybe the person with the best cardio wins. Rampage has the power but, I think Forrest was right when he said he has the better footwork, Rampage hardly moves around and Forrest is always looking for angles,cant wait for this fight.
[quote comment=”365026″][quote comment=”364967″][quote comment=”364915″][quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..[/quote]
indeed. good line[/quote]
not into that kinda talk…..i was saying forrest but now i hope page smashes him!!!![/quote]
Oh No…Are you a Hughesesus follower? LOL
Page for the Win… But not as easily as everyone seems to think, Forrest can take punishment Leben style!! I don’t think Page will K.O. forrest, most likely win by a T.K.O or out score him with superior wrestling/G’n'P
[quote comment=”365212″][quote comment=”365174″]something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?[/quote]
You know, page said in an interview that Pride offered him money to throw the fight against sakuraba, but he said he didn’t take the money. He ended up losing the fight against sakuraba but he clearly said he did not throw the fight. I know he says he’s all about the money, but that’s because he is a big clown. I don’t think that the “I’m only here to get paid” is 100% genuine.[/quote]
no shet? thats facinating but doesn’t make sense. he didn’t throw the fight but lost. i wonder how pride paid him that night.
[quote comment=”365282″][quote comment=”365212″][quote comment=”365174″]something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?[/quote]
You know, page said in an interview that Pride offered him money to throw the fight against sakuraba, but he said he didn’t take the money. He ended up losing the fight against sakuraba but he clearly said he did not throw the fight. I know he says he’s all about the money, but that’s because he is a big clown. I don’t think that the “I’m only here to get paid” is 100% genuine.[/quote]
no shet? thats facinating but doesn’t make sense. he didn’t throw the fight but lost. i wonder how pride paid him that night.[/quote]
Probably with a small unmarked brown envelope
[quote comment=”365088″][quote comment=”365026″][quote comment=”364967″][quote comment=”364915″][quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..[/quote]
indeed. good line[/quote]
not into that kinda talk…..i was saying forrest but now i hope page smashes him!!!![/quote]
chill out dude, it was just a joke. would you really lose respect for someone for making a joke? BTW, page IS going to clean the floor with forrest.[/quoteI agree that rampage will beat forrest and I hope he fights jesus in the next title fight!!]
[quote comment=”365042″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…[/quote]
I would be nervous too knowing that Rampage was going to send me to the hospital soon…Rampage is going to make Forrest look like Elvis Sinosic…I like Forrest and think he is a good fighter and entertainer…but he is way out of his league with this match up!
You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.
[quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
Well, if a one legged page shows up to fight, than I agree with you 100%! But that’s a big IF…
[quote comment=”365483″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
Well, if a one legged page shows up to fight, than I agree with you 100%! But that’s a big IF…[/quote]
Good one Linx. Forrest beat Shogun, I acknowledge that, but Forrest gets way too much credit for that win. People are sayuing Shogun should have pulled out of the fight, but when a fighter does pull out of a fight everyone is pissed. Shogun was anxious to make his UFC debut and it cost him, but that shold not make Forrest the #1 contender. Number 1 contender status should be reserved for the best fighter at the time and that isnt forrest. Machida would run circles around him with his world class footwork. I dont even think Forrest could beat Sokoudjou. I like Forrest as much as the rest of you and I admire his heart, but in this fight his heart is only going to get him hurt!
[quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up!
This should be a really entertaining fight. Im thinking Rampage will win via 3rd round referee stopage, just to much class for a very game Forest. I think Rampage might end up doing to the 205 class what Anderson is doing at 185, completely wipe it out. As long as Rampage stays hungry, there are only a handful of fighters in the world that really have a legitimate chance against him. Best chance-Shogun (only if he’s healthy) Next-Machida (depending on how he adjusts as he begins fighting stiffer competition). Page already has Chuck’s #, Wandy’s beaten him twice but is starting to look old, Tito-HA! Jardine-dont think so. We might just be seeing the beginning of a long reign at the top for Rampage, which should be great, cause TUF is going to turn him into a superstar by showing fans his personality.
[quote comment=”365535″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up![/quote]
Being hurt and not being able to practice for a fight are very different things. In shogun’s case, how could he work on his condition with a bad leg? We could see how out of shape he was in that fight, and this is due to not being able to train (and no, he was not on the juice in pride).
You Forrest fans need to think for a moment….When was the last time Rampage was knocked out by a fist? When was Forrest last knocked out….Remember Jardine anyone. Rampage is much better than Jardine. Outside of Shogun, who else has Forrest beaten of any note?
I don’t think anyone can really underestimate the champ at this point. Rampage has fought with the best and done well. The same can’t be said for Forrest…yet.
My prediction, Rampage takes it in a war, Forrest will fight valiantly but won’t be able to solve all the problems that Rampage poses.
[quote comment=”365575″][quote comment=”365535″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up![/quote]
Being hurt and not being able to practice for a fight are very different things. In shogun’s case, how could he work on his condition with a bad leg? We could see how out of shape he was in that fight, and this is due to not being able to train (and no, he was not on the juice in pride).[/quote]
Come on dude. Are you serious? And if Forrest shoulder wasn’t hurt he could have smashed Shogun’s face in.
I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.
[quote comment=”365615″]I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.[/quote]
“If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen.”
It seems to me that if you have knee problems (which is a fact he did) you more than likely can’t do much cardio…ie running, kicking drills, hill climbing, etc….I would wager he took the fight because he needed the MONEY.
“We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.”
Pointless analogy…Hughes wasn’t injured like Shogun was and still is by the way.
[quote comment=”365615″]I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.[/quote]
Oh I’m not saying forrest doesn’t deserve the victory over shogun, I’m saying that a healthy shogun x a healthy forrest you’d get shogun winning 9.99 times out of 10. I’m not discrediting forrest’s win here, all I’m saying is that you guys are dreaming if you really think he can take the belt from page, really dreaming…
As for shogun taking the fight, yes, I’d agree it was a stupid move, but we don’t know what was behind that decision. Maybe someone from the UFC wouldn’t let him take time off to recover (I just read the other day how joe silva wouldn’t allow hermes franca to take some time off for injury when he was scheduled to fight with sherk). I don’t know, but he was stupid to take the fight and deserved to lose that night, but seriously, it wouldn’t happen again.
[quote comment=”365613″][quote comment=”365575″][quote comment=”365535″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up![/quote]
Being hurt and not being able to practice for a fight are very different things. In shogun’s case, how could he work on his condition with a bad leg? We could see how out of shape he was in that fight, and this is due to not being able to train (and no, he was not on the juice in pride).[/quote]
Come on dude. Are you serious? And if Forrest shoulder wasn’t hurt he could have smashed Shogun’s face in.[/quote]
Yes, I’m serious. I won’t say anything else until page slams forrest in the canvas and the paramedics will need to pick up his brains that got squeezed through his nose and ears.
Do I really need to tell you who beat him down in Pride? He caught Chuck, I’ll give you that. Although some might argue it was a lucky punch. And was his win over Hendo that impressive? Oh yeah, and his win over top contender Marvin Eastman.
[quote comment=”365710″]Do I really need to tell you who beat him down in Pride? He caught Chuck, I’ll give you that. Although some might argue it was a lucky punch. And was his win over Hendo that impressive? Oh yeah, and his win over top contender Marvin Eastman.[/quote]
Actually I know who he lost to in Pride and Forrest doesn’t throw knees like either Wandy or Shogun and Saku was the only person to submit Jackson that I can recall in Pride.
Anyone who argues a well placed counter-punch is a moron besides Page beat him down in Pride.
Regarding Dan, he is not an easy opponent to finish. He gave Anderson Silva fits in the first round and Wandy ended up getting knocked out by Dan in the third round SO the fact that he beat Dan especially after he killed Wandy who beat Page twice IS in fact impressive.
So if you knock Pages opponents in the UFC, what about Forrest Griffin, I am sure Elvis Synosic and Stevan Bonnar, and Hector Ramierz where all “top contenders” too.
I agree, and look what it took for Wanderlai to beat Rampage and look at how Jardine beat Forrest big difference. To take out Rampage you have to take him out with a baseball bat. That is not the same for Forrest. I like Forrest but seriously Shogun was complete crap it wasn’t the fact that Forrest was that good. Shogun gassed after the first round. He was awful. He looked like Elvis Sinosic could have beaten him. As far as I’m concerned that fight did not prove a thing. When Forrest fights Rampage it is going to be a whole different ball game. Rampage is going to destroy him.
[quote post=”5329″]”If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen.”
It seems to me that if you have knee problems (which is a fact he did) you more than likely can’t do much cardio…ie running, kicking drills, hill climbing, etc….I would wager he took the fight because he needed the MONEY.
“We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.”
Pointless analogy…Hughes wasn’t injured like Shogun was and still is by the way. [/quote]
So now we should feel sorry for Shogun because he was injured AND broke? You made my point for me; with a hurt knee he couldn’t do any cardio. You really think he took a fight with an injury so serious he couldn’t do ANY cardio, or kicking, etc? Doubtful. And if he did, ridiculously stupid. My point is that part of being a fighter is managing your body and your game plan. If you decide to fight hurt, it should be just like any other lapse in judgment–for example, you were healthy but decided not to train at all on the ground for a fight with a ground fighter.
It might be that 9 times out of 10 a healthy Shogun would beat a healthy Griffin. But you can’t guarantee that 9 times out of 10 Shogun will have his head out of his butt enough to realize he shouldn’t fight when he’s seriously injured. Fights don’t happen in a perfect, bubble-wrapped world.
Very interesting fight preparation - I really hope Forrest wins, I think it will be good for the sport. I also would like to see Chuck take on Rampage again, just to make sure
[quote comment=”365492″][quote comment=”365483″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
Well, if a one legged page shows up to fight, than I agree with you 100%! But that’s a big IF…[/quote]
Good one Linx. Forrest beat Shogun, I acknowledge that, but Forrest gets way too much credit for that win. People are sayuing Shogun should have pulled out of the fight, but when a fighter does pull out of a fight everyone is pissed. Shogun was anxious to make his UFC debut and it cost him, but that shold not make Forrest the #1 contender. Number 1 contender status should be reserved for the best fighter at the time and that isnt forrest. Machida would run circles around him with his world class footwork. I dont even think Forrest could beat Sokoudjou. I like Forrest as much as the rest of you and I admire his heart, but in this fight his heart is only going to get him hurt![/quote]
I’ve read your opinion about #1 contenders before and their winning streaks. Did you complain when Rampage got his shot after 1 win in the UFC, or Anderson Silva, or even BJ after he beat Jens?
“So now we should feel sorry for Shogun because he was injured AND broke?”
Who said anything abut feeling sorry for Shogun?! Just stating a fact which was he was injured and apparently enough to not be well conditioned enough. Keep in mind he used to fight 10 minute first rounds in Pride. So if gasses which he did early in the second, I would guess it had something to do with his training. Shogun lost and he should have given how he showed up.
“”You made my point for me; with a hurt knee he couldn’t do any cardio.”"
Not really, the point is that fighters usually will fight through pain AND if you watch the fight, you will see that Shogun was trying to finish him in the first. I guess you dont remember him opening up a gash on Forrest Head. It appeared he thought he could end the fight early so that his lack of conditioning wouldn’t catch up with him. Do you think Shogun didn’t take his first fight in the UFC seriously enough to train hard??? I seriously doubt it.
“”My point is that part of being a fighter is managing your body and your game plan. If you decide to fight hurt, it should be just like any other lapse in judgment—for example, you were healthy but decided not to train at all on the ground for a fight with a ground fighter.”"
Why do you assume that he didn’t have a game plan walking in there? I think we all understand how important a fighters body is so you are only stating the obvious there.
“”It might be that 9 times out of 10 a healthy Shogun would beat a healthy Griffin. But you can’t guarantee that 9 times out of 10 Shogun will have his head out of his butt enough to realize he shouldn’t fight when he’s seriously injured.”"
There are no guarantees, we all know that, but unless you are a professional fighter especially getting paid like he is,you have no idea why he decided to fight on anyway.
We all know that many pro atheletes play with injuries…and some still prevail…it seems pretty clear to me that he thought he was game enough to win so he persevered…..Call it stupid of call it confidence either way had they stopped the fight when Griffin was bleeding all over the place we wouldn’t even be talking about this.
Everything you post in reply indicates that you don’t understand what I’m saying. I don’t know how to make it any clearer. Forrest Griffin beat Shogun Rua!
Everything you post in reply indicates that you don’t understand what I’m saying. I don’t know how to make it any clearer. Forrest Griffin beat Shogun Rua![/quote]
Sometimes a win doesn’t really prove much depending on the circumstances.
cant wait to witness forrest gameplan, actually execute it, man has changed since the ko from jardine, maybe keep distance, incorporate jabs with leg kicks, weaken up rampage for the takedown, also think dis will fustrate page he dosent like dancers, dis could be a major hole in pages mentality, cause him to rush/make misates! imagine 3 rounds of vicous leg kicks, go for the takedown, get the back forest! prob a load of shite i just wrote dere, but i think forrest can do it!
[quote comment=”365993″]Man I really like Forrest, but he is just not gonna be able to handle Rampage.[/quote]
I totally agree! I think Forrest is a great fighter and a great guy and all but Rampage is going to just be too much..I just hope Forrest will still be around after Rampage rearranges the poor guys face!
I cant belive all the excuses people make when there pick gets beat(shogun) he was hurt, he was tired, he was in a new ring, the rules, the hype, the water, the fans, need i go on. He got beat and just except the fact that forrest is a true contender. i agree Rampage is a great fighter but i still think he will take forrest lightly and if forrest has a good game plan we will se a new champ
i really dont think forrest is going to rush in and try to slug it out with rampage, hes way to smart for that now and will use his head. I know rampage said he doesnt want someone to dance around and wants them to come in and just fight, dont think that will be in the forrest beats rampage gameplan
[quote comment=”366120″]I think Saint, linx, MMazing, and me should all watch the fight together. Whoever loses gets punched in the face like Leban!!!LOL![/quote]
LOL, if forrest wins, you can kick me in the nuts!
[quote comment=”365638″][quote comment=”365615″]I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.[/quote]
Oh I’m not saying forrest doesn’t deserve the victory over shogun, I’m saying that a healthy shogun x a healthy forrest you’d get shogun winning 9.99 times out of 10. I’m not discrediting forrest’s win here, all I’m saying is that you guys are dreaming if you really think he can take the belt from page, really dreaming…
As for shogun taking the fight, yes, I’d agree it was a stupid move, but we don’t know what was behind that decision. Maybe someone from the UFC wouldn’t let him take time off to recover (I just read the other day how joe silva wouldn’t allow hermes franca to take some time off for injury when he was scheduled to fight with sherk). I don’t know, but he was stupid to take the fight and deserved to lose that night, but seriously, it wouldn’t happen again.[/quote]
[quote comment=”365042″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…[/quote]
Nervous?…I would have said tired. I like Rampage a lot, I’m a big fan but I don’t like how he put his head down like that. He is a joker but it wasn’t going both ways there, Forrest seemed serious. Rampage is a great guy, great fighter and very witty, just hope for his sake he will train hard. I’m sure he will, Juanito wouldn’t let him do otherwise.
[quote post=”5329″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…
Nervous?…I would have said tired. I like Rampage a lot, I’m a big fan but I don’t like how he put his head down like that. He is a joker but it wasn’t going both ways there, Forrest seemed serious. Rampage is a great guy, great fighter and very witty, just hope for his sake he will train hard. I’m sure he will, Juanito wouldn’t let him do otherwise.
Rampage deserves to be a heavy favourite. [/quote]
Just to be clear, I completely agree that Rampage is a heavy favorite. But that doesn’t mean that Forrest can’t win. Shogun was a heavy favorite, too, after all.
I would like to come back and watch that interview again AFTER having seen this upcoming season of TUF. I wonder how much they will get at each other on the show, and what that has done to their respect for each other.
Quinton will knockout Forrest in the 1st round Jardine style. His corner should make sure they have the hankies for the flood of tears that will come afterwards.
wow!
jardine got HELLA lucky agaisnt forrest in that fight
if u actually watch the damn fight forrest is picking jardine apart. so skill wise forrest is much better then jardine and if they were to fight again jardine would lose no doubt about it.
ALSO if rampage doesnt knock forrest out with in the first 2 rounds he will lose to forrest
and forrest has only been knocked out twice once by jardine and once by jeremy horn which again he was doing pretty damn good in the fight for being as yound as he was then. so there for rampage’s time is up as champion
[quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..
I can’t believe how boring that interview was with normally two very charasmatic guys (Rampage & Forrest). They need to let Bas ask the questions, and have that other guy shut up.
[quote comment=”364915″][quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..[/quote]
indeed. good line
Rampage is quite the character! I like forrest’s all buisness no b.s. style. No over hype lets just fight! Still I think Rampage is gonna be too much for Forrest. To strong and wont wear out. Only way Forrest will win is points. Should be a good fight though. See it going to around the 3rd before Rampage TKO’s him.
Sorry, I can’t buy into Forrest’s “serious title fight mode”.
It doesn’t suit him and the guy is going to get owned.
Forrest is a gatekeeper at best and I love Forrest.
[quote comment=”364967″][quote comment=”364915″][quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..[/quote]
indeed. good line[/quote]
not into that kinda talk…..i was saying forrest but now i hope page smashes him!!!!
forrest will wear down anyone rampage chuck it doesnt matter if you dont knoc him out quick youll get wore down
forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…
[quote comment=”365037″]forrest will wear down anyone rampage chuck it doesnt matter if you dont knoc him out quick youll get wore down[/quote]
i agree. only problem, rampage hits hard.
[quote comment=”364950″]I can’t believe how boring that interview was with normally two very charasmatic guys (Rampage & Forrest). They need to let Bas ask the questions, and have that other guy shut up.[/quote]
I was about to say the same thing. The whole thing was very awkward. You can tell the reporter guys were scrambling to find something to talk about.
[quote comment=”365042″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…[/quote]
I thought he sounded drugged. Didn’t seem his normal, charismatic self, anyway. Rampage is Rampage. Should be a very good fight.
[quote comment=”365026″][quote comment=”364967″][quote comment=”364915″][quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..[/quote]
indeed. good line[/quote]
not into that kinda talk…..i was saying forrest but now i hope page smashes him!!!![/quote]
chill out dude, it was just a joke. would you really lose respect for someone for making a joke? BTW, page IS going to clean the floor with forrest.
Forrest will win a UD against Page…mark my words! Scores will be 48-47 Forrest across the board.
Don’t forget that Forrest is training with Randy since some time. That means he will surely have the better game plan. And look at his fight with that hispanic dude (was his name Sanchez?) however you can really see the improvement in his game after joining Xtreme Couture.
It’s definitely possible for him to win this fight.
Madfist, Hector Ramirez is who youre looking for. I dont have any audio, was there anything important said? why was Rampage shaking his head, and laying his head on the table?
Rampage wins this fight 10 out of 10 times. forrest has no KO power what so ever, Rampage has ridiculous KO ability and he is by far the supperior wrestler who has controlled Dan henderson and Matt Lindland, 2 of the best wrestlers in MMA. Forrest had trouble controlling a half dead shogun for most of the fight.
Rampage has very good sumbission defense and Forrest is not at a level that will allow him to submit Rampage. If anything Forrest will only get hurt (slammed) trying to submit Rampage.
Prediction: rampage dumps Forrest on his goofy head! Rampage by KO before the 3rd round!
i don’t know what fight YOU were watching, but Rampage barely sqeaked by Henderson in their fight. Rampage is good, but not the best. He got lucky in the Liddell fight, he threw a punch that hit Liddell on the button. Lucky shot! I want to see that rematch, soon!
i agree
[quote comment=”365142″]Rampage wins this fight 10 out of 10 times. forrest has no KO power what so ever, Rampage has ridiculous KO ability and he is by far the supperior wrestler who has controlled Dan henderson and Matt Lindland, 2 of the best wrestlers in MMA. Forrest had trouble controlling a half dead shogun for most of the fight.
Rampage has very good sumbission defense and Forrest is not at a level that will allow him to submit Rampage. If anything Forrest will only get hurt (slammed) trying to submit Rampage.
Prediction: rampage dumps Forrest on his goofy head! Rampage by KO before the 3rd round![/quote]
i hope we see some of rampage’s slams he was known for some great ones in pride.i agree forrest is out matched at every skill,he is tough but just out matched in this one.
Rampage is my favorite fighter, so on the night I’ll be backing him up ovbiously. But I don’t know, I just don’t have it in me to count out Forrest.
something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?
NO.
I dunno guys something tells me this fight is going to end in an awkward way. Forrest does have the reach advantage and height advantage. He’s basically taller and a little longer reach (or the same) as Liddell. But then again that really didnt matter when Rampage fought Chuck, he KO’d him. If Forrest doesnt get KO’d I think it will go to a descision…so
Rampage wins by KO/TKO or decision, or Forrest wins by submission….
One things is for sure: Forrest will make this a fight. This will NOT be east for Rampage. I’m looking for Forrest to pull off the upset.
[quote comment=”365195″]One things is for sure: Forrest will make this a fight. This will NOT be east for Rampage. I’m looking for Forrest to pull off the upset.[/quote]
I meant to say this won’t be EASY for rampage. Pardon me for the typo.
NOSTRADAMUS sure did leave behind many many apprentices. Wow.
[quote comment=”365174″]something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?[/quote]
You know, page said in an interview that Pride offered him money to throw the fight against sakuraba, but he said he didn’t take the money. He ended up losing the fight against sakuraba but he clearly said he did not throw the fight. I know he says he’s all about the money, but that’s because he is a big clown. I don’t think that the “I’m only here to get paid” is 100% genuine.
I dont know if Forrest steps it up hes going to give Rampage some trouble remember Forrest took some nasty shoots from Tito for a whole round and stuck in there, Tito muscled him in the first but, then couldnt take him down maybe the person with the best cardio wins. Rampage has the power but, I think Forrest was right when he said he has the better footwork, Rampage hardly moves around and Forrest is always looking for angles,cant wait for this fight.
Forresst was talking about a fight between him and chuck at one point in that interview and i have to say that is a fight i would love to see.
[quote comment=”365026″][quote comment=”364967″][quote comment=”364915″][quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..[/quote]
indeed. good line[/quote]
not into that kinda talk…..i was saying forrest but now i hope page smashes him!!!![/quote]
Oh No…Are you a Hughesesus follower? LOL
Page for the Win… But not as easily as everyone seems to think, Forrest can take punishment Leben style!! I don’t think Page will K.O. forrest, most likely win by a T.K.O or out score him with superior wrestling/G’n'P
[quote comment=”365212″][quote comment=”365174″]something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?[/quote]
You know, page said in an interview that Pride offered him money to throw the fight against sakuraba, but he said he didn’t take the money. He ended up losing the fight against sakuraba but he clearly said he did not throw the fight. I know he says he’s all about the money, but that’s because he is a big clown. I don’t think that the “I’m only here to get paid” is 100% genuine.[/quote]
no shet? thats facinating but doesn’t make sense. he didn’t throw the fight but lost. i wonder how pride paid him that night.
[quote comment=”365282″][quote comment=”365212″][quote comment=”365174″]something fishy / creepy about that guy jumping in and talking about rampage’s heart and betting 10Gz on him. Rampage is out for a pay day. He always says that. What if someone were to give him money to throw the fight (lose on purpose)? You think he’d go for it?[/quote]
You know, page said in an interview that Pride offered him money to throw the fight against sakuraba, but he said he didn’t take the money. He ended up losing the fight against sakuraba but he clearly said he did not throw the fight. I know he says he’s all about the money, but that’s because he is a big clown. I don’t think that the “I’m only here to get paid” is 100% genuine.[/quote]
no shet? thats facinating but doesn’t make sense. he didn’t throw the fight but lost. i wonder how pride paid him that night.[/quote]
Probably with a small unmarked brown envelope
[quote comment=”365088″][quote comment=”365026″][quote comment=”364967″][quote comment=”364915″][quote comment=”364898″]I Don’t care if your Jesus.[/quote]
-Forrest Griffin.
LOL…too funny.
Forrest is hilarious…..[/quote]
indeed. good line[/quote]
not into that kinda talk…..i was saying forrest but now i hope page smashes him!!!![/quote]
chill out dude, it was just a joke. would you really lose respect for someone for making a joke? BTW, page IS going to clean the floor with forrest.[/quoteI agree that rampage will beat forrest and I hope he fights jesus in the next title fight!!]
[quote comment=”365042″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…[/quote]
I would be nervous too knowing that Rampage was going to send me to the hospital soon…Rampage is going to make Forrest look like Elvis Sinosic…I like Forrest and think he is a good fighter and entertainer…but he is way out of his league with this match up!
You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.
[quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
Well, if a one legged page shows up to fight, than I agree with you 100%! But that’s a big IF…
[quote comment=”365483″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
Well, if a one legged page shows up to fight, than I agree with you 100%! But that’s a big IF…[/quote]
Good one Linx. Forrest beat Shogun, I acknowledge that, but Forrest gets way too much credit for that win. People are sayuing Shogun should have pulled out of the fight, but when a fighter does pull out of a fight everyone is pissed. Shogun was anxious to make his UFC debut and it cost him, but that shold not make Forrest the #1 contender. Number 1 contender status should be reserved for the best fighter at the time and that isnt forrest. Machida would run circles around him with his world class footwork. I dont even think Forrest could beat Sokoudjou. I like Forrest as much as the rest of you and I admire his heart, but in this fight his heart is only going to get him hurt!
[quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up!
This should be a really entertaining fight. Im thinking Rampage will win via 3rd round referee stopage, just to much class for a very game Forest. I think Rampage might end up doing to the 205 class what Anderson is doing at 185, completely wipe it out. As long as Rampage stays hungry, there are only a handful of fighters in the world that really have a legitimate chance against him. Best chance-Shogun (only if he’s healthy) Next-Machida (depending on how he adjusts as he begins fighting stiffer competition). Page already has Chuck’s #, Wandy’s beaten him twice but is starting to look old, Tito-HA! Jardine-dont think so. We might just be seeing the beginning of a long reign at the top for Rampage, which should be great, cause TUF is going to turn him into a superstar by showing fans his personality.
Feelbad for Forrest, he’s gonna be just like Joe daddy, lose to the best, but never have another shot at the title.
[quote comment=”365535″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up![/quote]
Being hurt and not being able to practice for a fight are very different things. In shogun’s case, how could he work on his condition with a bad leg? We could see how out of shape he was in that fight, and this is due to not being able to train (and no, he was not on the juice in pride).
You Forrest fans need to think for a moment….When was the last time Rampage was knocked out by a fist? When was Forrest last knocked out….Remember Jardine anyone. Rampage is much better than Jardine. Outside of Shogun, who else has Forrest beaten of any note?
I don’t think anyone can really underestimate the champ at this point. Rampage has fought with the best and done well. The same can’t be said for Forrest…yet.
My prediction, Rampage takes it in a war, Forrest will fight valiantly but won’t be able to solve all the problems that Rampage poses.
[quote comment=”365575″][quote comment=”365535″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up![/quote]
Being hurt and not being able to practice for a fight are very different things. In shogun’s case, how could he work on his condition with a bad leg? We could see how out of shape he was in that fight, and this is due to not being able to train (and no, he was not on the juice in pride).[/quote]
Come on dude. Are you serious? And if Forrest shoulder wasn’t hurt he could have smashed Shogun’s face in.
I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.
[quote comment=”365615″]I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.[/quote]
Well said Sir.
“If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen.”
It seems to me that if you have knee problems (which is a fact he did) you more than likely can’t do much cardio…ie running, kicking drills, hill climbing, etc….I would wager he took the fight because he needed the MONEY.
“We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.”
Pointless analogy…Hughes wasn’t injured like Shogun was and still is by the way.
[quote comment=”365615″]I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.[/quote]
Oh I’m not saying forrest doesn’t deserve the victory over shogun, I’m saying that a healthy shogun x a healthy forrest you’d get shogun winning 9.99 times out of 10. I’m not discrediting forrest’s win here, all I’m saying is that you guys are dreaming if you really think he can take the belt from page, really dreaming…
As for shogun taking the fight, yes, I’d agree it was a stupid move, but we don’t know what was behind that decision. Maybe someone from the UFC wouldn’t let him take time off to recover (I just read the other day how joe silva wouldn’t allow hermes franca to take some time off for injury when he was scheduled to fight with sherk). I don’t know, but he was stupid to take the fight and deserved to lose that night, but seriously, it wouldn’t happen again.
[quote comment=”365613″][quote comment=”365575″][quote comment=”365535″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
That’s what I am talking about. I knew people would jump all over you with their excuses for Shogun. The fact is no one knows how Shogun felt except for Shogun. His injury could have been worse than what he said or not nearly as bad. Fighters fight hurt all the time. By the way, wasn’t Forrest hurt too? Why doesn’t anybody talk about his shoulder?
Forrest is tough as nails and I would never count him out of any fight. Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up![/quote]
Being hurt and not being able to practice for a fight are very different things. In shogun’s case, how could he work on his condition with a bad leg? We could see how out of shape he was in that fight, and this is due to not being able to train (and no, he was not on the juice in pride).[/quote]
Come on dude. Are you serious? And if Forrest shoulder wasn’t hurt he could have smashed Shogun’s face in.[/quote]
Yes, I’m serious. I won’t say anything else until page slams forrest in the canvas and the paramedics will need to pick up his brains that got squeezed through his nose and ears.
“Rampage is very beatable as we have all seen. I can’t wait till Forest shuts all these haters up!”
Every fighter is beatable, but what are you referring to here. If he is so beatable, how come Dan and Chuck couldn’t do it?
Do I really need to tell you who beat him down in Pride? He caught Chuck, I’ll give you that. Although some might argue it was a lucky punch. And was his win over Hendo that impressive? Oh yeah, and his win over top contender Marvin Eastman.
[quote comment=”365710″]Do I really need to tell you who beat him down in Pride? He caught Chuck, I’ll give you that. Although some might argue it was a lucky punch. And was his win over Hendo that impressive? Oh yeah, and his win over top contender Marvin Eastman.[/quote]
Actually I know who he lost to in Pride and Forrest doesn’t throw knees like either Wandy or Shogun and Saku was the only person to submit Jackson that I can recall in Pride.
Anyone who argues a well placed counter-punch is a moron besides Page beat him down in Pride.
Regarding Dan, he is not an easy opponent to finish. He gave Anderson Silva fits in the first round and Wandy ended up getting knocked out by Dan in the third round SO the fact that he beat Dan especially after he killed Wandy who beat Page twice IS in fact impressive.
So if you knock Pages opponents in the UFC, what about Forrest Griffin, I am sure Elvis Synosic and Stevan Bonnar, and Hector Ramierz where all “top contenders” too.
I agree, and look what it took for Wanderlai to beat Rampage and look at how Jardine beat Forrest big difference. To take out Rampage you have to take him out with a baseball bat. That is not the same for Forrest. I like Forrest but seriously Shogun was complete crap it wasn’t the fact that Forrest was that good. Shogun gassed after the first round. He was awful. He looked like Elvis Sinosic could have beaten him. As far as I’m concerned that fight did not prove a thing. When Forrest fights Rampage it is going to be a whole different ball game. Rampage is going to destroy him.
[quote post=”5329″]”If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen.”
It seems to me that if you have knee problems (which is a fact he did) you more than likely can’t do much cardio…ie running, kicking drills, hill climbing, etc….I would wager he took the fight because he needed the MONEY.
“We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.”
Pointless analogy…Hughes wasn’t injured like Shogun was and still is by the way. [/quote]
So now we should feel sorry for Shogun because he was injured AND broke? You made my point for me; with a hurt knee he couldn’t do any cardio. You really think he took a fight with an injury so serious he couldn’t do ANY cardio, or kicking, etc? Doubtful. And if he did, ridiculously stupid. My point is that part of being a fighter is managing your body and your game plan. If you decide to fight hurt, it should be just like any other lapse in judgment–for example, you were healthy but decided not to train at all on the ground for a fight with a ground fighter.
It might be that 9 times out of 10 a healthy Shogun would beat a healthy Griffin. But you can’t guarantee that 9 times out of 10 Shogun will have his head out of his butt enough to realize he shouldn’t fight when he’s seriously injured. Fights don’t happen in a perfect, bubble-wrapped world.
Very interesting fight preparation - I really hope Forrest wins, I think it will be good for the sport. I also would like to see Chuck take on Rampage again, just to make sure
[quote comment=”365492″][quote comment=”365483″][quote comment=”365469″]You know i read all the post about how Shogun was going to kill forret and how he didnt have a chance. We all saw what the outcome there was, so lets think about. I think if forrest can weather the Rampage intial storm he will win the fight. As for as him having a weak chin, thats not true he has taken some hard hits from some tough fighters and handled them well.[/quote]
Well, if a one legged page shows up to fight, than I agree with you 100%! But that’s a big IF…[/quote]
Good one Linx. Forrest beat Shogun, I acknowledge that, but Forrest gets way too much credit for that win. People are sayuing Shogun should have pulled out of the fight, but when a fighter does pull out of a fight everyone is pissed. Shogun was anxious to make his UFC debut and it cost him, but that shold not make Forrest the #1 contender. Number 1 contender status should be reserved for the best fighter at the time and that isnt forrest. Machida would run circles around him with his world class footwork. I dont even think Forrest could beat Sokoudjou. I like Forrest as much as the rest of you and I admire his heart, but in this fight his heart is only going to get him hurt![/quote]
I’ve read your opinion about #1 contenders before and their winning streaks. Did you complain when Rampage got his shot after 1 win in the UFC, or Anderson Silva, or even BJ after he beat Jens?
“So now we should feel sorry for Shogun because he was injured AND broke?”
Who said anything abut feeling sorry for Shogun?! Just stating a fact which was he was injured and apparently enough to not be well conditioned enough. Keep in mind he used to fight 10 minute first rounds in Pride. So if gasses which he did early in the second, I would guess it had something to do with his training. Shogun lost and he should have given how he showed up.
“”You made my point for me; with a hurt knee he couldn’t do any cardio.”"
Not really, the point is that fighters usually will fight through pain AND if you watch the fight, you will see that Shogun was trying to finish him in the first. I guess you dont remember him opening up a gash on Forrest Head. It appeared he thought he could end the fight early so that his lack of conditioning wouldn’t catch up with him. Do you think Shogun didn’t take his first fight in the UFC seriously enough to train hard??? I seriously doubt it.
“”My point is that part of being a fighter is managing your body and your game plan. If you decide to fight hurt, it should be just like any other lapse in judgment—for example, you were healthy but decided not to train at all on the ground for a fight with a ground fighter.”"
Why do you assume that he didn’t have a game plan walking in there? I think we all understand how important a fighters body is so you are only stating the obvious there.
“”It might be that 9 times out of 10 a healthy Shogun would beat a healthy Griffin. But you can’t guarantee that 9 times out of 10 Shogun will have his head out of his butt enough to realize he shouldn’t fight when he’s seriously injured.”"
There are no guarantees, we all know that, but unless you are a professional fighter especially getting paid like he is,you have no idea why he decided to fight on anyway.
We all know that many pro atheletes play with injuries…and some still prevail…it seems pretty clear to me that he thought he was game enough to win so he persevered…..Call it stupid of call it confidence either way had they stopped the fight when Griffin was bleeding all over the place we wouldn’t even be talking about this.
Man I really like Forrest, but he is just not gonna be able to handle Rampage.
Saint,
Everything you post in reply indicates that you don’t understand what I’m saying. I don’t know how to make it any clearer. Forrest Griffin beat Shogun Rua!
[quote comment=”366070″]Saint,
Everything you post in reply indicates that you don’t understand what I’m saying. I don’t know how to make it any clearer. Forrest Griffin beat Shogun Rua![/quote]
Sometimes a win doesn’t really prove much depending on the circumstances.
cant wait to witness forrest gameplan, actually execute it, man has changed since the ko from jardine, maybe keep distance, incorporate jabs with leg kicks, weaken up rampage for the takedown, also think dis will fustrate page he dosent like dancers, dis could be a major hole in pages mentality, cause him to rush/make misates! imagine 3 rounds of vicous leg kicks, go for the takedown, get the back forest! prob a load of shite i just wrote dere, but i think forrest can do it!
I think Saint, linx, MMazing, and me should all watch the fight together. Whoever loses gets punched in the face like Leban!!!LOL!
[quote comment=”365993″]Man I really like Forrest, but he is just not gonna be able to handle Rampage.[/quote]
I totally agree! I think Forrest is a great fighter and a great guy and all but Rampage is going to just be too much..I just hope Forrest will still be around after Rampage rearranges the poor guys face!
MMAzing: Did you not read where I stated Shogun Lost and he should have based off the way he fought? I though that was pretty clear.
bnf: I am with you….LOL!!!! Leban is nuts.
This is Rampage’s fight to lose, but depending on the odds, it might be smart to bet on Forrest.
i love how rampage answers with, “yeah yeah i respect forrest alot…he a funny guy”…gotta love page!
I cant belive all the excuses people make when there pick gets beat(shogun) he was hurt, he was tired, he was in a new ring, the rules, the hype, the water, the fans, need i go on. He got beat and just except the fact that forrest is a true contender. i agree Rampage is a great fighter but i still think he will take forrest lightly and if forrest has a good game plan we will se a new champ
i really dont think forrest is going to rush in and try to slug it out with rampage, hes way to smart for that now and will use his head. I know rampage said he doesnt want someone to dance around and wants them to come in and just fight, dont think that will be in the forrest beats rampage gameplan
[quote comment=”366120″]I think Saint, linx, MMazing, and me should all watch the fight together. Whoever loses gets punched in the face like Leban!!!LOL![/quote]
LOL, if forrest wins, you can kick me in the nuts!
[quote comment=”365638″][quote comment=”365615″]I think it has been noted already that one aspect of being a great fighter is having a great game plan. Fighters who train smart and execute their plan seem to do better than fighters who just train a lot. If a fighter has a great game plan (Randy vs. Sylvia), we applaud and praise. If a fighter has a bad game plane (Hughes with no plan against St. Piere), we consider it a part of their downfall. If (and this is a big IF) Shogun was really hurt so badly that he couldn’t train and still took the fight, doesn’t that only go to show that he had the worst game plan ever? If his plan was to not train any cardio and go in fighting on one leg, then he is possibly the stupidest fighter we have ever seen. We don’t discount St. Piere’s victory over Hughes because Hughes is stupid; we shouldn’t discount the Griffin win either.[/quote]
Oh I’m not saying forrest doesn’t deserve the victory over shogun, I’m saying that a healthy shogun x a healthy forrest you’d get shogun winning 9.99 times out of 10. I’m not discrediting forrest’s win here, all I’m saying is that you guys are dreaming if you really think he can take the belt from page, really dreaming…
As for shogun taking the fight, yes, I’d agree it was a stupid move, but we don’t know what was behind that decision. Maybe someone from the UFC wouldn’t let him take time off to recover (I just read the other day how joe silva wouldn’t allow hermes franca to take some time off for injury when he was scheduled to fight with sherk). I don’t know, but he was stupid to take the fight and deserved to lose that night, but seriously, it wouldn’t happen again.[/quote]
Great post linx!
[quote comment=”365042″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…[/quote]
Nervous?…I would have said tired. I like Rampage a lot, I’m a big fan but I don’t like how he put his head down like that. He is a joker but it wasn’t going both ways there, Forrest seemed serious. Rampage is a great guy, great fighter and very witty, just hope for his sake he will train hard. I’m sure he will, Juanito wouldn’t let him do otherwise.
Rampage deserves to be a heavy favourite.
[quote post=”5329″]forrest really seemed nervous in that interview, you know…
Nervous?…I would have said tired. I like Rampage a lot, I’m a big fan but I don’t like how he put his head down like that. He is a joker but it wasn’t going both ways there, Forrest seemed serious. Rampage is a great guy, great fighter and very witty, just hope for his sake he will train hard. I’m sure he will, Juanito wouldn’t let him do otherwise.
Rampage deserves to be a heavy favourite. [/quote]
Just to be clear, I completely agree that Rampage is a heavy favorite. But that doesn’t mean that Forrest can’t win. Shogun was a heavy favorite, too, after all.
I would like to come back and watch that interview again AFTER having seen this upcoming season of TUF. I wonder how much they will get at each other on the show, and what that has done to their respect for each other.