1st again Woop tee wooo!!!

In all seriousness I see Frank winning by submission

Excited to see Cung Le fight, I’m sure he’ll whip Frank’s ass. They’ve got a pretty good card that night too, the last card was joke!

All Frank Shamrock fights are a Joke! What a waste of such a talent. As soon as Cung starts tagging him up, Frank will do something illegal. He is notorious for finding away out of a fight, with out actually letting his opponent beat him.

I really cant stand this guy. He has amazing talent and skills as a fighter but I really hate him. As much as we bash Ken, he isnt half the idiot that Frank is!

[quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Mania, I just recieved the autographed Dan Henderson gloves that you sent me for being the first person to post in a thread.

I’m pretty sure that the first person to post in the next newly created thread wins an all expense paid trip to UFC 84.

Keep trying to be #1 guys!

Cung Le FTW!!

[quote comment=”358289″][quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Mania, I just recieved the autographed Dan Henderson gloves that you sent me for being the first person to post in a thread.

I’m pretty sure that the first person to post in the next newly created thread wins an all expense paid trip to UFC 84.

Keep trying to be #1 guys![/quote]

Your a funny man! Lol

In all seriousness I know Fickett & Shields, Diaz are also on the card does anyone know the rest of the fight card?

The crowd is going to be in hysteria for the entire fight between these two. They are both from and train in San Jose, and the fight is taking place in… San Jose. I wonder if the crowd will be split 50/50 or if the crowd will be pulling for one of the fighters? I truely find it difficult to root for Frank Shamrock, but he is a home town hero. Even if Frank was my next door neighbor and married my cousin I’d still root against him. Just because a fighter is from the same town as you does not mean you need to love them. Sure, it gives you a reason to root for them when they are against an unknown fighter, but a fighter’s hometown does not dictate how much I like a fighter.

[quote comment=”358283″]All Frank Shamrock fights are a Joke! What a waste of such a talent. As soon as Cung starts tagging him up, Frank will do something illegal. He is notorious for finding away out of a fight, with out actually letting his opponent beat him.

I really cant stand this guy. He has amazing talent and skills as a fighter but I really hate him. As much as we bash Ken, he isnt half the idiot that Frank is![/quote]

I used to consider him one of the elite of the sport..I mean look at his fight with Tito back in the day..he taught Tito a lesson ( this was when Tito before his prime )..But when hear him speak and after that Renzo fight..he is a reject. I hope Renzo can get that rematch and finish him off. I saw the MMA docutmentary back in the dat a KOTC ” Life in the Cage “.. just listen to the guy..can’t F’ wit hhim..Frank is like what John says ..a waste of talent. He was the first fighter to ever Knock some out via takedown..he was on the cover of the first ever issue of “Fight Sport”. I used to hold him in high regard..but comes across as a punk. IMO.

[quote comment=”358289″][quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Mania, I just recieved the autographed Dan Henderson gloves that you sent me for being the first person to post in a thread.

I’m pretty sure that the first person to post in the next newly created thread wins an all expense paid trip to UFC 84.

Keep trying to be #1 guys![/quote]
um, im pretty sure being #1 is prize enough in itself. i mean your pretty much king for a day, but i got frank on this one

[quote comment=”358289″][quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Mania, I just recieved the autographed Dan Henderson gloves that you sent me for being the first person to post in a thread.

I’m pretty sure that the first person to post in the next newly created thread wins an all expense paid trip to UFC 84.

Keep trying to be #1 guys![/quote]

I rather be the last poster on the thread..you know..get that last word in… :0

I just put this on the Thiago Silva thread, but I just wanted to quite the rumors about Tito. He was just on the Adam Corolla show and said he WILL be fighting in May agaisn’t Machida.

[quote comment=”358352″]I just put this on the Thiago Silva thread, but I just wanted to quite the rumors about Tito. He was just on the Adam Corolla show and said he WILL be fighting in May agaisn’t Machida.[/quote]
Yeah? Well that’s somewhat good news I suppose.

Cung Le is the real deal. Right now people see him as just a guy who does wild kicks but he is a complete fighter who has the talent to be a superstar. This fight should finally give him legitimacy. He will destroy shamrock.

[quote comment=”358331″][quote comment=”358289″][quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Mania, I just recieved the autographed Dan Henderson gloves that you sent me for being the first person to post in a thread.

I’m pretty sure that the first person to post in the next newly created thread wins an all expense paid trip to UFC 84.

Keep trying to be #1 guys![/quote]

I rather be the last poster on the thread..you know..get that last word in… :0[/quote]

Everybody reads the first post. Violent Mike, settle down, I was joking around. But I was still first Woop tee woo!!!! lol!

[quote comment=”358382″][quote comment=”358331″][quote comment=”358289″][quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Mania, I just recieved the autographed Dan Henderson gloves that you sent me for being the first person to post in a thread.

I’m pretty sure that the first person to post in the next newly created thread wins an all expense paid trip to UFC 84.

Keep trying to be #1 guys![/quote]

I rather be the last poster on the thread..you know..get that last word in… :0[/quote]

Everybody reads the first post. Violent Mike, settle down, I was joking around. But I was still first Woop tee woo!!!! lol![/quote]

And what did you post? Did it relate to the thread? Did it relate to anything? It seems like every couple of months we get a new wave of newbies that think its some kind of race to be the first person to post in a thread. Trust me, I’m not the first, nor the last to complain about the moronic posts.

And besides, how do you know that I didn’t get autographed Hendo gloves sent to me for posting first?

[quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Seriously man, how old are you?

They also used to say that Ken used to tool Frank in sparring. Sparring isn’t fighting.

[quote comment=”358379″]Cung Le is the real deal. Right now people see him as just a guy who does wild kicks but he is a complete fighter who has the talent to be a superstar. This fight should finally give him legitimacy. He will destroy shamrock.[/quote]
1 100% AGREE. I DON’T THINK HE’LL BE ABLE TO TAKE TO MANY OF CUNG’S WILD KICKS AND I SEE HIM GOING IN FOR THE TAKE DOWN AND CUNG THROWS THE KNEE AND LIGHTS OUT.

[quote comment=”358325″][quote comment=”358283″]All Frank Shamrock fights are a Joke! What a waste of such a talent. As soon as Cung starts tagging him up, Frank will do something illegal. He is notorious for finding away out of a fight, with out actually letting his opponent beat him.

I really cant stand this guy. He has amazing talent and skills as a fighter but I really hate him. As much as we bash Ken, he isnt half the idiot that Frank is![/quote]

I used to consider him one of the elite of the sport..I mean look at his fight with Tito back in the day..he taught Tito a lesson ( this was when Tito before his prime )..But when hear him speak and after that Renzo fight..he is a reject. I hope Renzo can get that rematch and finish him off. I saw the MMA docutmentary back in the dat a KOTC ” Life in the Cage “.. just listen to the guy..can’t F’ wit hhim..Frank is like what John says ..a waste of talent. He was the first fighter to ever Knock some out via takedown..he was on the cover of the first ever issue of “Fight Sport”. I used to hold him in high regard..but comes across as a punk. IMO.[/quote]

PhilQny: I am in the same boat as you, I used to really be a fan of Frank’s but I have lost all respect I had for him because he has the ability to be one of the greatest fighters in the sport, but he doesnt want to fight against the best, he is content on just being able to say I am the best fighter in the world. How about you prove it for once Frank!

I pray Renzo gets a rematch against that punk. I really dislike Frank, like worse than I hate melvin and Koschek, and Matt Hughes!…..this guy is one of the biggest idiots I have ever heard speak!

[quote comment=”358444″][quote comment=”358382″][quote comment=”358331″][quote comment=”358289″][quote comment=”358271″]1st again Woop tee wooo!!![/quote]

Mania, I just recieved the autographed Dan Henderson gloves that you sent me for being the first person to post in a thread.

I’m pretty sure that the first person to post in the next newly created thread wins an all expense paid trip to UFC 84.

Keep trying to be #1 guys![/quote]

I rather be the last poster on the thread..you know..get that last word in… :0[/quote]

Everybody reads the first post. Violent Mike, settle down, I was joking around. But I was still first Woop tee woo!!!! lol![/quote]

And what did you post? Did it relate to the thread? Did it relate to anything? It seems like every couple of months we get a new wave of newbies that think its some kind of race to be the first person to post in a thread. Trust me, I’m not the first, nor the last to complain about the moronic posts.

And besides, how do you know that I didn’t get autographed Hendo gloves sent to me for posting first?[/quote]

I post on this site like a mad man and I have not once ever posted this “1st post” crap! When I do get the 1st post, I use that opportunity to post something meaningful that people can respond to and give me feedback on!

Cung Li is one of the nastiest fighters in the world… Cung also fights with AKA, so you know his take and submission defense are atleast on par with the average, his stand up is second only to prolly Anderson Silva. I think Frank is gonna get worked in the first, and go down hard in the second.

Id love to see Cung Li fight in the UFC… he could dismantle most of the division.

After Cung Le, Frank will be fighting Tito in a high profile big money rematch on EliteXC.

Put frank against renzo where it would be legal for the knees and that sort of thing…why not you know franks gonna throw it anyways might as well let renzo throw them too.

“”throw Frank around like a rag doll, like his little sister.”" what?!?!? is he trying to sell me something? because its working.

[quote comment=”358379″]Cung Le is the real deal. Right now people see him as just a guy who does wild kicks but he is a complete fighter who has the talent to be a superstar. This fight should finally give him legitimacy. He will destroy shamrock.[/quote]

Cung Le is an excellent striker and has solid throws. But he’s far from complete. His wrestling has not been tested, and he has as much ground game as Kongo. He won’t even ground and pound guys after he gets them down, because he and his coached know he might get caught with something. He’s still new to the game and can still improve, but right now he would lose to someone like Patrick Cote.

Scamrock sub 2nd rd.

Say what u want about Cung’s lack of experience and his Kongo-like ground game but keep in mind ALL FIGHTS Start off Standing, so to say Cung’s got no shot is inaccurate!

Watch for a controversial win by Le.

*cough* work *cough*.

[quote comment=”358589″]Watch for a controversial win by Le.

*cough* work *cough*.[/quote]

*Cough* I dont get it! *Cough* lol

this fight will tell me if le is gonna be a for real mma fighter or not. i always thought he was just an overated san-sho guy who i watched on espn reruns against skinny underskilled guys who looked like set-ups. but since i dont know alot about him and i see alot of the veteran posters on this site who say he has alot of upside i will give him the benefit of the doubt. if he beats frank, who’s not as good as he used to be but still formidable, then i’ll start thinking he’s for real.

Yawn about my first post, if you look at my next post I gave my opinion on topic, lighten up guys it’s not that serious.

[quote comment=”358588″]Say what u want about Cung’s lack of experience and his Kongo-like ground game but keep in mind ALL FIGHTS Start off Standing, so to say Cung’s got no shot is inaccurate![/quote]
how about instead of roy jr, let a.silva and le fight in a straight up striking match. now that i would like to see.

[quote comment=”358565″]Cung Le is an excellent striker and has solid throws. But he’s far from complete. His wrestling has not been tested, and he has as much ground game as Kongo. He won’t even ground and pound guys after he gets them down, because he and his coached know he might get caught with something. He’s still new to the game and can still improve, but right now he would lose to someone like Patrick Cote.

Scamrock sub 2nd rd.[/quote]
Pat, he trains daily with Fitch and Kos.. The dude is a total MANIAC physically. Im more then certain that his ground game has to be substantially underestimated.

[quote comment=”358618″][quote comment=”358588″]Say what u want about Cung’s lack of experience and his Kongo-like ground game but keep in mind ALL FIGHTS Start off Standing, so to say Cung’s got no shot is inaccurate![/quote]
how about instead of roy jr, let a.silva and le fight in a straight up striking match. now that i would like to see.[/quote]

That would be an great fight to take place under K-1 rules. i would pay to see that for sure!

I see frank winning this fight, cung lee hasent faught anybody that will take it to the ground and thats what frank will do and winn either by sub or g&p

I would like to see Cng Le vs. Anderson Silva in any type of match.

[quote comment=”358634″][quote comment=”358618″][quote comment=”358588″]Say what u want about Cung’s lack of experience and his Kongo-like ground game but keep in mind ALL FIGHTS Start off Standing, so to say Cung’s got no shot is inaccurate![/quote]
how about instead of roy jr, let a.silva and le fight in a straight up striking match. now that i would like to see.[/quote]

That would be an great fight to take place under K-1 rules. i would pay to see that for sure![/quote]
That would be a great fight!

[quote comment=”358283″]All Frank Shamrock fights are a Joke! What a waste of such a talent. As soon as Cung starts tagging him up, Frank will do something illegal. He is notorious for finding away out of a fight, with out actually letting his opponent beat him.

I really cant stand this guy. He has amazing talent and skills as a fighter but I really hate him. As much as we bash Ken, he isnt half the idiot that Frank is![/quote]

Okay Mr John so outside of the Renzo fight what other fights has Frank found a way out of a fight via something illegal with out letting the guy beat him?

The main reason Josh Thompson is saying that about Shamrock……its the fact that Frank Shamrock called Josh mma’s FIRST openly gay fighter.

Sure Thompson is gonna try and say anything he can to try and counter that. It is impossible, taht line from Shamrock was a classic and PROBABLY WILL NEVER BE TOPPED. I mean he said it on a major mma show(well Strikeforce, not UFC major, but anyhow)

[quote comment=”358858″]The main reason Josh Thompson is saying that about Shamrock……its the fact that Frank Shamrock called Josh mma’s FIRST openly gay fighter.

Sure Thompson is gonna try and say anything he can to try and counter that. It is impossible, taht line from Shamrock was a classic and PROBABLY WILL NEVER BE TOPPED. I mean he said it on a major mma show(well Strikeforce, not UFC major, but anyhow)[/quote]

Did he really say that about Thompson? What a D**k! Is thompson really even gay?

[quote comment=”358770″][quote comment=”358634″][quote comment=”358618″][quote comment=”358588″]Say what u want about Cung’s lack of experience and his Kongo-like ground game but keep in mind ALL FIGHTS Start off Standing, so to say Cung’s got no shot is inaccurate![/quote]
how about instead of roy jr, let a.silva and le fight in a straight up striking match. now that i would like to see.[/quote]

That would be an great fight to take place under K-1 rules. i would pay to see that for sure![/quote]
That would be a great fight![/quote]

I think that Anderson Silva would prove to be too fast for Cung Le to handle. Of course, I could be wrong, but that’s my assessment. Silva is too fast for what I have seen so far from Le, he seem laxidasical

[quote comment=”358908″][quote comment=”358770″][quote comment=”358634″][quote comment=”358618″][quote comment=”358588″]Say what u want about Cung’s lack of experience and his Kongo-like ground game but keep in mind ALL FIGHTS Start off Standing, so to say Cung’s got no shot is inaccurate![/quote]
how about instead of roy jr, let a.silva and le fight in a straight up striking match. now that i would like to see.[/quote]

That would be an great fight to take place under K-1 rules. i would pay to see that for sure![/quote]
That would be a great fight![/quote]

I think that Anderson Silva would prove to be too fast for Cung Le to handle. Of course, I could be wrong, but that’s my assessment. Silva is too fast for what I have seen so far from Le, he seem laxidasical[/quote]

VM: I think u have seen more K-1 than me, so I ask: How do you think Silva would do in K-1? Phil you might know as well. I just dont follow it close enough to make that assesment. I have never watched a complete event, I just catch all the fights on the NET.

Shamrock may not have found a way out of the middle of many fights, but he sure as hell ducked Bas Rutten after he beat Tito. Bas wanted to drop down to middleweight but Shamrock retired to ‘go make a living’ One must wonder just how much Frank or Ken might have evolved if they hadn’t taken substantial layoffs

Frank shamrock by tko rnd 2

[quote comment=”358283″]All Frank Shamrock fights are a Joke! What a waste of such a talent. As soon as Cung starts tagging him up, Frank will do something illegal. He is notorious for finding away out of a fight, with out actually letting his opponent beat him.

I really cant stand this guy. He has amazing talent and skills as a fighter but I really hate him. As much as we bash Ken, he isnt half the idiot that Frank is![/quote]
I agree completly John, he makes TITO look like a true champ.
I think Le is FAR overrated, but I sure hope he kills Frank.

At first I thought Frank would win this fight by submission fairly quickly. However, the more I think about it th more I’m leaning towards Cung le. Of course if it goes to the ground, you have to favor Frank’s grappling skills over Cung’s considering we haven’t really seen them tested before. But what if Frank can’t take Cung le down? I don’t think he’ll be able to. Frank also has decent stand up skills but, similar to Anderson Silva, Le is a different kind of striker. Le also has remarkable takedowns and throws and very good takedown defense as well. I don’t see Le finishing this but picking Frank apart on thier feet for the majority of the rounds. Either way, I’m anticipating this one almost as much as these upcoming UFC’s.

[quote comment=”358908″][quote comment=”358770″][quote comment=”358634″][quote comment=”358618″][quote comment=”358588″]Say what u want about Cung’s lack of experience and his Kongo-like ground game but keep in mind ALL FIGHTS Start off Standing, so to say Cung’s got no shot is inaccurate![/quote]
how about instead of roy jr, let a.silva and le fight in a straight up striking match. now that i would like to see.[/quote]

That would be an great fight to take place under K-1 rules. i would pay to see that for sure![/quote]
That would be a great fight![/quote]

I think that Anderson Silva would prove to be too fast for Cung Le to handle. Of course, I could be wrong, but that’s my assessment. Silva is too fast for what I have seen so far from Le, he seem laxidasical[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike, I think Anderson would take ‘em with not much trouble at all. Chung Le has gotten to much credit for what he’s done, he hasnt fought much competition at all, his striking has looked pretty good, but he hasnt realy fought many other accomplished strikers at all. When Frank is the best person you have fought(going to fight) you shouldnt be getting compared to Anderson.
Remember, Anderson has DESTROYED Hendo, Rich, and everyone else for a long long time. Compare Chung’s credentials to that, and talk to me.
Le’s striking looks nice and is fancy, but does not compare to the ability Anderson has, it’s unreal, it’s like magic, or cheat codes.

actually there is some interesting information and background to this.

frank and josh actually trained together for quite a while and there was apparently some heat between the two during sparring and grappling sessions, it got particularily magnified when frank left American Kickboxing Academy to start shamrocks submission fighting

in 2006 frank shamrock questioned josh thompsons heterosexuality by commentating on the pink stripe in his hair and claiming that he would soon be “the first openly gay mixed martial artist”

josh thompson responded by saying that frank shamrock was a punk and always backs down from real challenges and should “stop living off of his victory over tito”

i think that josh thompson just said that cung would beat him because he and cung train together and are good friends.

Frank shamrock left the ufc cause he was scared to fight tito again cause he knew he would lose a rematch and he would never beat chuck. He retired and then went to fight people who couldnt make it in the ufc. Tito was out of shape then and would destroy frank now. If frank thought he was so good he would come back and fight tito again and lose or come back and fight anderson silva and lose.