Bisping basically called McCarthy a bum..and a easy warm up fight for him. Bisping truely believes in himself which is cool..but in a recent snip I read on him..he feels he can beat Anderson Silva..I wouldn’t go that far there guy.
I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him
Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.
listen bispings gonna shock a few people at mw.what youve got to remember is he held his own against 2 awesome wrestlers in hamil and evans and in uk there nowhere even remotely as good as the us to train wrestling so he stood with them being an unbeleivably novice wrestler compared to them.imagine how good hed be if he had been training wrestling his whole life.he was more than capably stuffing some takedowns and he waas getting back up reasonably comfortably against evans.those fights were against grade a wrestlers and thats his weakest point ju-jitsu and kickboxing are his forte.hes always done better against these types of fighters.
[quote comment=”356099″]Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.[/quote]
Thats bull i think he will work his way up and he will beat franklin maybe not henderson or silva
[quote comment=”356099″]Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.[/quote]
I agree with every point you make apart from the contract issue. He is THE marketing tool for UFC in the UK so even though he will get mediocre opponents like McCarthy his contract will be renewed because the UFC, as with MMA in the whole, is still a growing sport over here.
[quote comment=”356090″]I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him[/quote]
I’ve felt the same way since I heard about this bout. I mean, Swick got Burkman, Sakara got Leben..and Bisping gets Mcarthy? No dis to Mcarthy, but we all know he’s just not a “game” opponent. They should have booked him with Lutter or McDonald, hell, even Terry Martin would have been more interesting. However, I still have more praise for the UFC than I do complaints.
Maybe TUF 7 will generate some real contenders. Can’t wait till that great night on Spike!
[quote comment=”356155″][quote comment=”356090″]I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him[/quote]
I’ve felt the same way since I heard about this bout. I mean, Swick got Burkman, Sakara got Leben..and Bisping gets Mcarthy? No dis to Mcarthy, but we all know he’s just not a “game” opponent. They should have booked him with Lutter or McDonald, hell, even Terry Martin would have been more interesting. However, I still have more praise for the UFC than I do complaints.
Maybe TUF 7 will generate some real contenders. Can’t wait till that great night on Spike![/quote]
this would be a good fight to bet $ on Bisping. I love it when its a sure bet because theres no spread to cover - just odds to give up.
The UFC needs a new UK poster boy. Then they could just feed Bisping to someone like Franklin or someone, boost thier confidance before a title fight or something.
[quote comment=”356196″][quote comment=”356155″][quote comment=”356090″]I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him[/quote]
I’ve felt the same way since I heard about this bout. I mean, Swick got Burkman, Sakara got Leben..and Bisping gets Mcarthy? No dis to Mcarthy, but we all know he’s just not a “game” opponent. They should have booked him with Lutter or McDonald, hell, even Terry Martin would have been more interesting. However, I still have more praise for the UFC than I do complaints.
Maybe TUF 7 will generate some real contenders. Can’t wait till that great night on Spike![/quote]
this would be a good fight to bet $ on Bisping. I love it when its a sure bet because theres no spread to cover - just odds to give up.[/quote]
You found someone willing to bet on “Captain Miserable”!?
I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please!
the UFC always seems to protect the TUF winners, so this doesnt surprise me. Capt. Misreble is not a top fighter, but it should be a intresting 1st MW fight for the COUNT M.B.
hope he fights someone better in his next fight,since he already fought R.Evans, TUF 2 so TUF 4 T.Lutter next
[quote post=”5272″]Thats bull i think he will work his way up and he will beat franklin maybe not henderson or silva [/quote]
He lost to Rashad Evans who is hardly a great fighter and put in a less than convincing performance against Hammil, a fight he should have lost. You put him in there with better all round fighters like Silva, Henderson, Franklin and Lutter to name a few, then he will have no chance. He isnt a wolrd class fighter and will never be champ. Hes only there to make UFC some money in England and even English fans were booing him after the Hammill fight. He wont last long enough. He belongs in the lower cards of a UFC event. Maybe fight nights main event at the most.
[quote comment=”356099″]Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.[/quote]
If Joe Silva really wanted to book an exciting fight, instead of worrying about babysitting Bisping, he would have matched up Bisping vs. Belcher for UFC 83. I am not so sure Bisping could even get past Belcher, his muy tai may be too crisp for Bisping!
[quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
[quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.
[quote comment=”356513″][quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.[/quote]
Bisping is a good fighter, he’s arrogant but he’s good. He’ll do extremely well at Middle. He just has to learn to keep his mouth shut when he’s excited.
[quote comment=”356529″][quote comment=”356513″][quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.[/quote]
Bisping is a good fighter, he’s arrogant but he’s good. He’ll do extremely well at Middle. He just has to learn to keep his mouth shut when he’s excited.[/quote]
He may be a good fighter, ill give him that. But hes not good enough to even mention himself in a title match with Anderson Silva as he did in his last interview. Like i stated before, he wouldnt be able to beat other fighters in that division either. He would probably be ranked around 7th in the middleweight division the most.
[quote comment=”356546″][quote comment=”356529″][quote comment=”356513″][quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.[/quote]
Bisping is a good fighter, he’s arrogant but he’s good. He’ll do extremely well at Middle. He just has to learn to keep his mouth shut when he’s excited.[/quote]
True Story.[/quote]
I dont hate on Bispings skills, and I dont mind his personality. Actually I find his personality to be entertaining. The problem I have with him is that he fights CANS!!!!
He has had a lot of UFC fights so far, and at this point in most TUF stars careers, they are moving up and fighting Big names. Bisping hasnt fought against any one decent that wasnt on TUF show. At this point in his career Forrest was fighting guys like Tito, Bisping is still wasting his career on guys like McCarthy.
As for his wrestling, I think its better than people give him credit for. I think training with Rampage and under Juanito has really increased his wrestling. Both Rashad and Hamil had a harder time taking Bisping down than I thought they would and when they actually did take him down, he proved to be hard to control and often just got up…a la Liddell. His wrestling is getting better and is better than he gets credit for.
The problem wasnt his skills, the problem was that he was too small for Light heavy weight. He wasn’t really cutting weight for those fights at 205 and he was always undersized. Not many people can fight in that division effectively undersized. The only man I can think of that has that ability is Dan Henderson.
I actually think that Bsping will make a tough opponent for most middleweight fighters. The problem is, will we ever find out? I dont want to see him fight any more TUF alumni’s for a while after this fight. He needs to step up the quality in the competition he faces. What makes me Hate on him is soley the weak fighters that he faces. I dont hate on him because the judges robbed Hamil, that wasnt Bisping;’s fault that the judges scored it that way, and the reality is that it was a close fight and when he was announced as the winner he was very excited and said some things that rubbed people the wrong way, but what do u want the man to say? Judges say he won, so he Won….what was he supposed to do? Not accept the win? that would only piss Dana off and cause the UFC to loose some credibility.
If the guy steps up and starts facing decent opponents, he will be ok with me. I think he will be tough at 185 lb, and that division has a lot of depth that doesnt include the 2 fighters on their own level, Silva and Hendo.
There are many exciting matches available for him at middleweight. As for UFC 83, I would have liked to see him fight Belcher… That wouuld be a hell of a striking match up that would showcase 2 very different striking styles. If Belcher is too good of an opponent for him, than he should have fought Pete Sell or Quarry, basically he should of fought anyone in the division but McCarthy, who is not only a can, but is another TUF alumni… Enough Bisping vs. TUF alumni fights! Please!
[quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
WORD!!!
[quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.
John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
[quote comment=”356634″]John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
That is the UFC’s decision.[/quote]
The UFC should take most of the blame, but not all of it. If I were him, I would have been insulted at being offerd Charles McCarthy. I mean are you kidding me? Bisping headlined the UFC 78 card, and his next fight in an iferior division is against Charles McCarthy? Fighters turn down certain fights all the time. Bisping should have in no way accepted this fight. If he wanted a tune up fight at 185, than he should have faced Alan Belcher, but Charles McCarthy? Come on man! A fighter shouldnt turn down fights against top guys, but in no way should they accept fights against TOOLS, like…you guessed it….Charles McCarthy! When I think of McCarthy, I think of how brutally “The Crow” smashed him!
You want to compare Fitch, who fights whoever is available to Micheal Bisping? Apples and Oranges. Like I said, the UFC is mostly to blame for his weak opponents, but some of the blame is on him. Fighters turn down fights all the time, and I understand that. A true Fighter would not be fighting charles McCarthy. If Bisping was scheduled to fight someone decent and then they got hurt and McCarthy had to fill in, I would understand. But this fight was booked a long ass time ago. No way that Bisping should have taken this fight! UFC 83 is filled with middleweight, pick anyone of them and it would be better than fighting McCarthy.
Like I said, a tune up fight for the middleweight division would have been Belcher…McCarthy is a joke… Then again, Bispings whole career has been one big tune up fight, so why the hell should he get a pass on this fight?
Personally I don’t know what fights are offered to fighters and what offers are thrown back in Joe Silva’s face.
I just think it is disrespectful for any fighter to turn down any fight.
You’ve got to trust the UFC know what they are doing.
As boring as Rashad is to watch, the UFC think he is good enough to roll with Chuck. Bisping lost a split decision which many think he didn’t to that same guy.
Now stop trying to score 3000 posts John by picking on me lol.
[quote comment=”356345″]I WOULD OF RATHER SEE BISPING VS CHONAN BUT I GUESS JOE SILVA IS TO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO GIVE BISPING A REAL OPPONENT[/quote]
Chonan is now fighting at WW
maybe a match down the road should be with fellow TUF3 fighter Kalib Starnes,thats if they both win on the same fightcard in Montreal. another TUF3 fighter i would like to see him against is Ed shortfuse Herman.hes also on the same csrd.IMO those 2 were the best 185ers from that season.if Starnes losses then a fight with Nate rock Quarry would be pretty entertaining.i dont know any thing about demian maia.
but i hope ShortFuse finishes him in the 1st or 2nd so that they show the fight.
[quote comment=”356598″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
WORD!!!
[quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.[/quote]
violent mike i repect you.u r one of the most knowledgable mma fana on this site but i think youve dropped a rick ther.id empty my account and bet it all on bisping submission or decision.(a)bispings jj is way better than lebens who is a glorified brawler(i do like him dont get me wrong)(b)his chins always up in the air.i know bispings not gonna knock him out but he will just set something up with strikes(watch the mcdonald/leben fight)(c)dont get me wrong lebens in a great camp but as soon as he steps in the octagon his gameplan goes out the window anyway he drops his hands and swings for the fences thats why technical guys always have a better chance than strikers/brawlers.by the way thx for acknowledging bispings wrestling.considering he hasnt been training it a quarter of the time evans/hamil has he has held his own.but his forte is jj and kickboxing and i think hed pick leben apart for rnc or guillotine late second.if they ever figt we will find a way to have a bet.interested?
[quote comment=”356702″][quote comment=”356634″]John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
That is the UFC’s decision.[/quote]
The UFC should take most of the blame, but not all of it. If I were him, I would have been insulted at being offerd Charles McCarthy. I mean are you kidding me? Bisping headlined the UFC 78 card, and his next fight in an iferior division is against Charles McCarthy? Fighters turn down certain fights all the time. Bisping should have in no way accepted this fight. If he wanted a tune up fight at 185, than he should have faced Alan Belcher, but Charles McCarthy? Come on man! A fighter shouldnt turn down fights against top guys, but in no way should they accept fights against TOOLS, like…you guessed it….Charles McCarthy! When I think of McCarthy, I think of how brutally “The Crow” smashed him!
You want to compare Fitch, who fights whoever is available to Micheal Bisping? Apples and Oranges. Like I said, the UFC is mostly to blame for his weak opponents, but some of the blame is on him. Fighters turn down fights all the time, and I understand that. A true Fighter would not be fighting charles McCarthy. If Bisping was scheduled to fight someone decent and then they got hurt and McCarthy had to fill in, I would understand. But this fight was booked a long ass time ago. No way that Bisping should have taken this fight! UFC 83 is filled with middleweight, pick anyone of them and it would be better than fighting McCarthy.
Like I said, a tune up fight for the middleweight division would have been Belcher…McCarthy is a joke… Then again, Bispings whole career has been one big tune up fight, so why the hell should he get a pass on this fight?[/quote]
[quote comment=”356723″]John, I agree and disagree.
Personally I don’t know what fights are offered to fighters and what offers are thrown back in Joe Silva’s face.
I just think it is disrespectful for any fighter to turn down any fight.
You’ve got to trust the UFC know what they are doing.
As boring as Rashad is to watch, the UFC think he is good enough to roll with Chuck. Bisping lost a split decision which many think he didn’t to that same guy.
Now stop trying to score 3000 posts John by picking on me lol.[/quote]
I would love to be Mr. 3000, but Its counted on a monthly basis, so I doubt I will reach that figure.
To some extent I agree that you have to trust the UFC, but not in this case. Bisping came out of the TUF show as a popular fighter. Since then, He has been rapidly loosing fans by the minute. He has even lost fans in England. They want him to be England’s posterboy, than something is going to have to change. Since TUF, Bisping has lost a ton of fans, and is going to loose more by fighting guys like McCarthy!
[quote comment=”357950″][quote comment=”356598″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
WORD!!!
[quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.[/quote]
violent mike i repect you.u r one of the most knowledgable mma fana on this site but i think youve dropped a rick ther.id empty my account and bet it all on bisping submission or decision.(a)bispings jj is way better than lebens who is a glorified brawler(i do like him dont get me wrong)(b)his chins always up in the air.i know bispings not gonna knock him out but he will just set something up with strikes(watch the mcdonald/leben fight)(c)dont get me wrong lebens in a great camp but as soon as he steps in the octagon his gameplan goes out the window anyway he drops his hands and swings for the fences thats why technical guys always have a better chance than strikers/brawlers.by the way thx for acknowledging bispings wrestling.considering he hasnt been training it a quarter of the time evans/hamil has he has held his own.but his forte is jj and kickboxing and i think hed pick leben apart for rnc or guillotine late second.if they ever figt we will find a way to have a bet.interested?[/quote]
I would most definitely be interested in betting, but it would depend on the odds BetUs were offering and what you were offering! Alessio Sakara was a LHW, technical striker that droppped to MW. Leben handled him with out any worries. It is a fight that I REALLY want to see, especially since I am a big fan of one of them, and really can’t stand the other.
[quote post=”5272″]would love to be Mr. 3000, but Its counted on a monthly basis, so I doubt I will reach that figure. [/quote]
No waaaaaay. That is total amount of posts made ever. Its not monthly.
[quote comment=”358151″]Automation: Please dont ever compare Fitch’s career to Bisping’s again. I was enjoying all your posts yesterday, until that comment!
Take it back! Damn it! lol[/quote]
Seeing how you said you were enjoying my posts, I’ll take it back
I did mean 3000 for this month as you didn’t quite reach 3000 last month.
A little hint for hitting 3000 this month…..don’t type such lengthy posts lol
[quote post=”5272″]Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.
violent mike i repect you.u r one of the most knowledgable mma fana on this site but i think youve dropped a rick ther.id empty my account and bet it all on bisping submission or decision.(a)bispings jj is way better than lebens who is a glorified brawler(i do like him dont get me wrong)(b)his chins always up in the air.i know bispings not gonna knock him out but he will just set something up with strikes(watch the mcdonald/leben fight)(c)dont get me wrong lebens in a great camp but as soon as he steps in the octagon his gameplan goes out the window anyway he drops his hands and swings for the fences thats why technical guys always have a better chance than strikers/brawlers.by the way thx for acknowledging bispings wrestling.considering he hasnt been training it a quarter of the time evans/hamil has he has held his own.but his forte is jj and kickboxing and i think hed pick leben apart for rnc or guillotine late second.if they ever figt we will find a way to have a bet.interested?[/quote]
Scott, very well said.
I didn’t want to say that as I thought everyone would gang up on me lol
Bisping is going to shake up the Middle weights. He’ll beat Leben and Franklin. C’mon guys….Franklin is gone, he’s been surpassed by the next generation of fighters, Bisping included. Silva has shown how many holes Franklin has in his game. Franklin should be looking to Strike Force or Elite XC because he’s no longer a genuine title threat in the UFC Middles. He could earn bigger money in these promotions and hold a belt for a few more years at least. Leben is a heavy hitter but he’s not droping bombs like Hamill or Evans (both of whom i don’t really rate anyway) guys that Bisping has gone toe to toe with. Evans was a former heavy weight and landed a couple of nice hits on Bisping in their match. Put Evans or Hamill against Leben and we’ll see where Leben’s at. I’m tipping backed into the corner and beaten like a punk.
Bisping is a clever fighter and he’s starting his Middle weight campaign in a very conservative fashion. Why not notch up a fight against a middle weight journey man? Look at chicken legs Lesnar, he’s gone the other way round and fought a former heavy weight, lost and is now fighting an old broken down man in Coleman, just to notch a win.
I say reaserve your judgement on Bisping, i think we’ll see him go through the ranks of the Middle weights in the UFC until he hits the Hendersons and Silvas. From there we’ll see what he’s made of……
[quote comment=”356634″]John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
That is the UFC’s decision.[/quote]
Agreed Auto!! And Bisping has a string of big knockouts as well. My god…..who said Fitch is getting a title shot??? Don’t you need to a. knock somone out or b. beat someone who is at least a top 5 contender. The only chance Fitch gets a belt is if he bore’s his opponent into submission…..
Micheal “The Can Crusher” Bisping .vs. Charles “Tupper Ware” McCarthy..
Great job Joe Silva.
word
Bisping basically called McCarthy a bum..and a easy warm up fight for him. Bisping truely believes in himself which is cool..but in a recent snip I read on him..he feels he can beat Anderson Silva..I wouldn’t go that far there guy.
I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him
Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.
listen bispings gonna shock a few people at mw.what youve got to remember is he held his own against 2 awesome wrestlers in hamil and evans and in uk there nowhere even remotely as good as the us to train wrestling so he stood with them being an unbeleivably novice wrestler compared to them.imagine how good hed be if he had been training wrestling his whole life.he was more than capably stuffing some takedowns and he waas getting back up reasonably comfortably against evans.those fights were against grade a wrestlers and thats his weakest point ju-jitsu and kickboxing are his forte.hes always done better against these types of fighters.
[quote comment=”356099″]Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.[/quote]
Thats bull i think he will work his way up and he will beat franklin maybe not henderson or silva
[quote comment=”356099″]Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.[/quote]
I agree with every point you make apart from the contract issue. He is THE marketing tool for UFC in the UK so even though he will get mediocre opponents like McCarthy his contract will be renewed because the UFC, as with MMA in the whole, is still a growing sport over here.
[quote comment=”356090″]I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him[/quote]
I’ve felt the same way since I heard about this bout. I mean, Swick got Burkman, Sakara got Leben..and Bisping gets Mcarthy? No dis to Mcarthy, but we all know he’s just not a “game” opponent. They should have booked him with Lutter or McDonald, hell, even Terry Martin would have been more interesting. However, I still have more praise for the UFC than I do complaints.
Maybe TUF 7 will generate some real contenders. Can’t wait till that great night on Spike!
[quote comment=”356155″][quote comment=”356090″]I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him[/quote]
I’ve felt the same way since I heard about this bout. I mean, Swick got Burkman, Sakara got Leben..and Bisping gets Mcarthy? No dis to Mcarthy, but we all know he’s just not a “game” opponent. They should have booked him with Lutter or McDonald, hell, even Terry Martin would have been more interesting. However, I still have more praise for the UFC than I do complaints.
Maybe TUF 7 will generate some real contenders. Can’t wait till that great night on Spike![/quote]
this would be a good fight to bet $ on Bisping. I love it when its a sure bet because theres no spread to cover - just odds to give up.
The UFC needs a new UK poster boy. Then they could just feed Bisping to someone like Franklin or someone, boost thier confidance before a title fight or something.
[quote comment=”356196″][quote comment=”356155″][quote comment=”356090″]I dont see why he gets this easy of a fight i mean nothing against charles but come on there are alot better fighters he could fight lutter would have been a good fight for him[/quote]
I’ve felt the same way since I heard about this bout. I mean, Swick got Burkman, Sakara got Leben..and Bisping gets Mcarthy? No dis to Mcarthy, but we all know he’s just not a “game” opponent. They should have booked him with Lutter or McDonald, hell, even Terry Martin would have been more interesting. However, I still have more praise for the UFC than I do complaints.
Maybe TUF 7 will generate some real contenders. Can’t wait till that great night on Spike![/quote]
this would be a good fight to bet $ on Bisping. I love it when its a sure bet because theres no spread to cover - just odds to give up.[/quote]
You found someone willing to bet on “Captain Miserable”!?
I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please!
the UFC always seems to protect the TUF winners, so this doesnt surprise me. Capt. Misreble is not a top fighter, but it should be a intresting 1st MW fight for the COUNT M.B.
hope he fights someone better in his next fight,since he already fought R.Evans, TUF 2 so TUF 4 T.Lutter next
I AGREE WITH EVERYONE BISPING IS OVERRATED THERE ARE PLENTY OF DECENT MIDDLEWEIGHTS THEY COULD ATLEAST GIVE HIM OLD ASS TANNER
I WOULD OF RATHER SEE BISPING VS CHONAN BUT I GUESS JOE SILVA IS TO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO GIVE BISPING A REAL OPPONENT
you guys need to chill on bisping a bit, its not his falt dana and joe are in love with him, and he is a good fighter that belongs in the ufc.
[quote post=”5272″]Thats bull i think he will work his way up and he will beat franklin maybe not henderson or silva [/quote]
He lost to Rashad Evans who is hardly a great fighter and put in a less than convincing performance against Hammil, a fight he should have lost. You put him in there with better all round fighters like Silva, Henderson, Franklin and Lutter to name a few, then he will have no chance. He isnt a wolrd class fighter and will never be champ. Hes only there to make UFC some money in England and even English fans were booing him after the Hammill fight. He wont last long enough. He belongs in the lower cards of a UFC event. Maybe fight nights main event at the most.
[quote comment=”356099″]Lets be honest, Bisping is going to be in the UFC only until his current contract runs out. After he beats McCarthy he cant run away from other competition. He will definately not beat fighters like Franklin, Marquadt, Lutter, Henderson and Silva. He is never going to be in title contention in any division, period! They only give him easy fights in England so they can market him across the pond. Its a disgrace.[/quote]
-yes, its a big disgrace.
If Joe Silva really wanted to book an exciting fight, instead of worrying about babysitting Bisping, he would have matched up Bisping vs. Belcher for UFC 83. I am not so sure Bisping could even get past Belcher, his muy tai may be too crisp for Bisping!
[quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.
[quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.
I’d see a doctor about the square balls
[quote comment=”356513″][quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.[/quote]
Bisping is a good fighter, he’s arrogant but he’s good. He’ll do extremely well at Middle. He just has to learn to keep his mouth shut when he’s excited.
[quote comment=”356529″][quote comment=”356513″][quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.[/quote]
Bisping is a good fighter, he’s arrogant but he’s good. He’ll do extremely well at Middle. He just has to learn to keep his mouth shut when he’s excited.[/quote]
True Story.
He may be a good fighter, ill give him that. But hes not good enough to even mention himself in a title match with Anderson Silva as he did in his last interview. Like i stated before, he wouldnt be able to beat other fighters in that division either. He would probably be ranked around 7th in the middleweight division the most.
[quote comment=”356546″][quote comment=”356529″][quote comment=”356513″][quote post=”5272″]Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Hes as a good a fighter as my balls are squared shaped.[/quote]
Bisping is a good fighter, he’s arrogant but he’s good. He’ll do extremely well at Middle. He just has to learn to keep his mouth shut when he’s excited.[/quote]
True Story.[/quote]
I dont hate on Bispings skills, and I dont mind his personality. Actually I find his personality to be entertaining. The problem I have with him is that he fights CANS!!!!
He has had a lot of UFC fights so far, and at this point in most TUF stars careers, they are moving up and fighting Big names. Bisping hasnt fought against any one decent that wasnt on TUF show. At this point in his career Forrest was fighting guys like Tito, Bisping is still wasting his career on guys like McCarthy.
As for his wrestling, I think its better than people give him credit for. I think training with Rampage and under Juanito has really increased his wrestling. Both Rashad and Hamil had a harder time taking Bisping down than I thought they would and when they actually did take him down, he proved to be hard to control and often just got up…a la Liddell. His wrestling is getting better and is better than he gets credit for.
The problem wasnt his skills, the problem was that he was too small for Light heavy weight. He wasn’t really cutting weight for those fights at 205 and he was always undersized. Not many people can fight in that division effectively undersized. The only man I can think of that has that ability is Dan Henderson.
I actually think that Bsping will make a tough opponent for most middleweight fighters. The problem is, will we ever find out? I dont want to see him fight any more TUF alumni’s for a while after this fight. He needs to step up the quality in the competition he faces. What makes me Hate on him is soley the weak fighters that he faces. I dont hate on him because the judges robbed Hamil, that wasnt Bisping;’s fault that the judges scored it that way, and the reality is that it was a close fight and when he was announced as the winner he was very excited and said some things that rubbed people the wrong way, but what do u want the man to say? Judges say he won, so he Won….what was he supposed to do? Not accept the win? that would only piss Dana off and cause the UFC to loose some credibility.
If the guy steps up and starts facing decent opponents, he will be ok with me. I think he will be tough at 185 lb, and that division has a lot of depth that doesnt include the 2 fighters on their own level, Silva and Hendo.
There are many exciting matches available for him at middleweight. As for UFC 83, I would have liked to see him fight Belcher… That wouuld be a hell of a striking match up that would showcase 2 very different striking styles. If Belcher is too good of an opponent for him, than he should have fought Pete Sell or Quarry, basically he should of fought anyone in the division but McCarthy, who is not only a can, but is another TUF alumni… Enough Bisping vs. TUF alumni fights! Please!
[quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
WORD!!!
[quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.
John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
That is the UFC’s decision.
[quote comment=”356634″]John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
That is the UFC’s decision.[/quote]
The UFC should take most of the blame, but not all of it. If I were him, I would have been insulted at being offerd Charles McCarthy. I mean are you kidding me? Bisping headlined the UFC 78 card, and his next fight in an iferior division is against Charles McCarthy? Fighters turn down certain fights all the time. Bisping should have in no way accepted this fight. If he wanted a tune up fight at 185, than he should have faced Alan Belcher, but Charles McCarthy? Come on man! A fighter shouldnt turn down fights against top guys, but in no way should they accept fights against TOOLS, like…you guessed it….Charles McCarthy! When I think of McCarthy, I think of how brutally “The Crow” smashed him!
You want to compare Fitch, who fights whoever is available to Micheal Bisping? Apples and Oranges. Like I said, the UFC is mostly to blame for his weak opponents, but some of the blame is on him. Fighters turn down fights all the time, and I understand that. A true Fighter would not be fighting charles McCarthy. If Bisping was scheduled to fight someone decent and then they got hurt and McCarthy had to fill in, I would understand. But this fight was booked a long ass time ago. No way that Bisping should have taken this fight! UFC 83 is filled with middleweight, pick anyone of them and it would be better than fighting McCarthy.
Like I said, a tune up fight for the middleweight division would have been Belcher…McCarthy is a joke… Then again, Bispings whole career has been one big tune up fight, so why the hell should he get a pass on this fight?
John, I agree and disagree.
Personally I don’t know what fights are offered to fighters and what offers are thrown back in Joe Silva’s face.
I just think it is disrespectful for any fighter to turn down any fight.
You’ve got to trust the UFC know what they are doing.
As boring as Rashad is to watch, the UFC think he is good enough to roll with Chuck. Bisping lost a split decision which many think he didn’t to that same guy.
Now stop trying to score 3000 posts John by picking on me lol.
I’d love to see Bisping take on Silva! Silva would chase him all over the ring with those dhalsim legs of his.
[quote comment=”356345″]I WOULD OF RATHER SEE BISPING VS CHONAN BUT I GUESS JOE SILVA IS TO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO GIVE BISPING A REAL OPPONENT[/quote]
Chonan is now fighting at WW
maybe a match down the road should be with fellow TUF3 fighter Kalib Starnes,thats if they both win on the same fightcard in Montreal. another TUF3 fighter i would like to see him against is Ed shortfuse Herman.hes also on the same csrd.IMO those 2 were the best 185ers from that season.if Starnes losses then a fight with Nate rock Quarry would be pretty entertaining.i dont know any thing about demian maia.
but i hope ShortFuse finishes him in the 1st or 2nd so that they show the fight.
[quote comment=”356598″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
WORD!!!
[quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.[/quote]
violent mike i repect you.u r one of the most knowledgable mma fana on this site but i think youve dropped a rick ther.id empty my account and bet it all on bisping submission or decision.(a)bispings jj is way better than lebens who is a glorified brawler(i do like him dont get me wrong)(b)his chins always up in the air.i know bispings not gonna knock him out but he will just set something up with strikes(watch the mcdonald/leben fight)(c)dont get me wrong lebens in a great camp but as soon as he steps in the octagon his gameplan goes out the window anyway he drops his hands and swings for the fences thats why technical guys always have a better chance than strikers/brawlers.by the way thx for acknowledging bispings wrestling.considering he hasnt been training it a quarter of the time evans/hamil has he has held his own.but his forte is jj and kickboxing and i think hed pick leben apart for rnc or guillotine late second.if they ever figt we will find a way to have a bet.interested?
[quote comment=”356702″][quote comment=”356634″]John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
That is the UFC’s decision.[/quote]
The UFC should take most of the blame, but not all of it. If I were him, I would have been insulted at being offerd Charles McCarthy. I mean are you kidding me? Bisping headlined the UFC 78 card, and his next fight in an iferior division is against Charles McCarthy? Fighters turn down certain fights all the time. Bisping should have in no way accepted this fight. If he wanted a tune up fight at 185, than he should have faced Alan Belcher, but Charles McCarthy? Come on man! A fighter shouldnt turn down fights against top guys, but in no way should they accept fights against TOOLS, like…you guessed it….Charles McCarthy! When I think of McCarthy, I think of how brutally “The Crow” smashed him!
You want to compare Fitch, who fights whoever is available to Micheal Bisping? Apples and Oranges. Like I said, the UFC is mostly to blame for his weak opponents, but some of the blame is on him. Fighters turn down fights all the time, and I understand that. A true Fighter would not be fighting charles McCarthy. If Bisping was scheduled to fight someone decent and then they got hurt and McCarthy had to fill in, I would understand. But this fight was booked a long ass time ago. No way that Bisping should have taken this fight! UFC 83 is filled with middleweight, pick anyone of them and it would be better than fighting McCarthy.
Like I said, a tune up fight for the middleweight division would have been Belcher…McCarthy is a joke… Then again, Bispings whole career has been one big tune up fight, so why the hell should he get a pass on this fight?[/quote]
Well Said.
[quote comment=”356723″]John, I agree and disagree.
Personally I don’t know what fights are offered to fighters and what offers are thrown back in Joe Silva’s face.
I just think it is disrespectful for any fighter to turn down any fight.
You’ve got to trust the UFC know what they are doing.
As boring as Rashad is to watch, the UFC think he is good enough to roll with Chuck. Bisping lost a split decision which many think he didn’t to that same guy.
Now stop trying to score 3000 posts John by picking on me lol.[/quote]
I would love to be Mr. 3000, but Its counted on a monthly basis, so I doubt I will reach that figure.
To some extent I agree that you have to trust the UFC, but not in this case. Bisping came out of the TUF show as a popular fighter. Since then, He has been rapidly loosing fans by the minute. He has even lost fans in England. They want him to be England’s posterboy, than something is going to have to change. Since TUF, Bisping has lost a ton of fans, and is going to loose more by fighting guys like McCarthy!
Automation: Please dont ever compare Fitch’s career to Bisping’s again. I was enjoying all your posts yesterday, until that comment!
Take it back! Damn it! lol
[quote comment=”357950″][quote comment=”356598″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
WORD!!!
[quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356239″]I liked to see “The Crippler” knock Bisbing back down to a smaller org. It seems liked he never fights anyone with stand up game. Will someone test his chin Please![/quote]
Look, that is when Bisping excels.
The difficulty that Bisping has at the moment, is dealing with wrestlers.
I saw Bisping fighting in Cage Rage where he was brought in a relatively unknown to be a punchbag for the reigning champion at the time (Mark Epstein). Epstein was a hard hard puncher that loved to go toe to toe. Bisping destroyed him and in the subsequent rematch so it wasn’t luck.
Look how he dealt with Josh Haynes in TUF3 finale. Leben is a slugger like Haynes.
Bisping has no trouble with hitters, Leben would have trouble with Bisping. I would have Bisping in a TKO win in round 3 with Leben.
Leben hits hard but is slow and totally leaves his chin open all the time. He relies to heavily on his chin which Bisping would happily kick, knee and punch.
It has just been a case of certain fighters out there with skills that totally cancel out the other fighter’s skills they are fighting and make that fighter look very plain. These are usually wrestlers against stand ups.
The only problem Bisping has, is his mouth runs with his andrenaline.
Give Bisping a break, I know he says stupid things sometimes but the guy is trying to plug himself at every opportunity and is just saying the wrong things.
He actually fights well.[/quote]
Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.[/quote]
violent mike i repect you.u r one of the most knowledgable mma fana on this site but i think youve dropped a rick ther.id empty my account and bet it all on bisping submission or decision.(a)bispings jj is way better than lebens who is a glorified brawler(i do like him dont get me wrong)(b)his chins always up in the air.i know bispings not gonna knock him out but he will just set something up with strikes(watch the mcdonald/leben fight)(c)dont get me wrong lebens in a great camp but as soon as he steps in the octagon his gameplan goes out the window anyway he drops his hands and swings for the fences thats why technical guys always have a better chance than strikers/brawlers.by the way thx for acknowledging bispings wrestling.considering he hasnt been training it a quarter of the time evans/hamil has he has held his own.but his forte is jj and kickboxing and i think hed pick leben apart for rnc or guillotine late second.if they ever figt we will find a way to have a bet.interested?[/quote]
I would most definitely be interested in betting, but it would depend on the odds BetUs were offering and what you were offering! Alessio Sakara was a LHW, technical striker that droppped to MW. Leben handled him with out any worries. It is a fight that I REALLY want to see, especially since I am a big fan of one of them, and really can’t stand the other.
[quote post=”5272″]would love to be Mr. 3000, but Its counted on a monthly basis, so I doubt I will reach that figure. [/quote]
No waaaaaay. That is total amount of posts made ever. Its not monthly.
[quote comment=”358151″]Automation: Please dont ever compare Fitch’s career to Bisping’s again. I was enjoying all your posts yesterday, until that comment!
Take it back! Damn it! lol[/quote]
Seeing how you said you were enjoying my posts, I’ll take it back
I did mean 3000 for this month as you didn’t quite reach 3000 last month.
A little hint for hitting 3000 this month…..don’t type such lengthy posts lol
[quote post=”5272″]Great write up Automation!
If Bisping were to fight Leben, I would be running over to BetUs to bet my entire account on Chris Leben. Leben has one of the best chins in the business, and Bisping is one of the “softer hitters” around. I don’t see Bisping being able to KO Leben. Thier BJJ are probably about the same, and I would think wrestling would go to Leben since he spent so much time training with Team Quest, even though Bisping’s wrestling hasn’t looked bad, going up against wrestlers at that. I see the fight taking place on its feet the whole time with Bisping landing more shots, but eventually catching Bisping and putting him to sleep.
violent mike i repect you.u r one of the most knowledgable mma fana on this site but i think youve dropped a rick ther.id empty my account and bet it all on bisping submission or decision.(a)bispings jj is way better than lebens who is a glorified brawler(i do like him dont get me wrong)(b)his chins always up in the air.i know bispings not gonna knock him out but he will just set something up with strikes(watch the mcdonald/leben fight)(c)dont get me wrong lebens in a great camp but as soon as he steps in the octagon his gameplan goes out the window anyway he drops his hands and swings for the fences thats why technical guys always have a better chance than strikers/brawlers.by the way thx for acknowledging bispings wrestling.considering he hasnt been training it a quarter of the time evans/hamil has he has held his own.but his forte is jj and kickboxing and i think hed pick leben apart for rnc or guillotine late second.if they ever figt we will find a way to have a bet.interested?[/quote]
Scott, very well said.
I didn’t want to say that as I thought everyone would gang up on me lol
Bisping is going to shake up the Middle weights. He’ll beat Leben and Franklin. C’mon guys….Franklin is gone, he’s been surpassed by the next generation of fighters, Bisping included. Silva has shown how many holes Franklin has in his game. Franklin should be looking to Strike Force or Elite XC because he’s no longer a genuine title threat in the UFC Middles. He could earn bigger money in these promotions and hold a belt for a few more years at least. Leben is a heavy hitter but he’s not droping bombs like Hamill or Evans (both of whom i don’t really rate anyway) guys that Bisping has gone toe to toe with. Evans was a former heavy weight and landed a couple of nice hits on Bisping in their match. Put Evans or Hamill against Leben and we’ll see where Leben’s at. I’m tipping backed into the corner and beaten like a punk.
Bisping is a clever fighter and he’s starting his Middle weight campaign in a very conservative fashion. Why not notch up a fight against a middle weight journey man? Look at chicken legs Lesnar, he’s gone the other way round and fought a former heavy weight, lost and is now fighting an old broken down man in Coleman, just to notch a win.
I say reaserve your judgement on Bisping, i think we’ll see him go through the ranks of the Middle weights in the UFC until he hits the Hendersons and Silvas. From there we’ll see what he’s made of……
[quote comment=”356634″]John…Does anyone give Jon Fitch a hard time for not fighting top 5 or even top 10 guys?? No….they say he should have a title shot.
Bisping is in the UFC…..that is HUGE for any fighter let alone a british one. Bisping is just a puppet just now and does whatever Dana or Joe Silva says….PERIOD!!!
He aint about to upset any of the hierarchy and turn down fights because they are cans.
Like Chuck Lidell, Rampage, Wanderlei, AA etc…Bisping will fight anyone who is put in front of him, even if they are cans.
That is the UFC’s decision.[/quote]
Agreed Auto!! And Bisping has a string of big knockouts as well. My god…..who said Fitch is getting a title shot??? Don’t you need to a. knock somone out or b. beat someone who is at least a top 5 contender. The only chance Fitch gets a belt is if he bore’s his opponent into submission…..