It was a big night for former PRIDE stars during Wednesday’s World Victory Road: Sengoku at the Yogi National Gymnasium in Tokyo, Japan.
In the main event, Josh Barnett (21-5) controlled Hidehiko Yoshida (7-6) for most of the fight before submitting him at 3:23 of the third round with a heel hook.
Both “The Babyface Assassin” and Yoshida have been out of action since coming off losses at PRIDE: Shockwave on New Year’s Eve of 2006. Barnett had dropped a unanimous decision to current UFC interim heavyweight champion Antonio Rodrigo “Minotauro” Nogueira in a rematch from their classic battle at PRIDE: Final Conflict Absolute while Yoshida was pounded out by the much bigger James “The Colossus” Thompson.
Takanori Gomi (28-3) returned to his winning ways by stopping Duane Ludwig (16-8) in the first round via TKO after a typical Gomi offense left “Bang” too badly cut to continue.
“The Fireball Kid” is probably happy to have a new fight to talk about. Gomi was submitted by Nick Diaz via gogoplata at PRIDE 33: Second Coming but had the decision overturned by the NSAC after Diaz tested positive for marijuana.
In other action, popular Japanese wrestler Kazuyuki Fujita (15-6) submitted K-1 veteran Peter Graham (0-1) via north/south choke at 1:23 in the first round. Graham trains out of Xtreme Couture and was making his MMA debut.
No doubt Fujita is glad to have won so easily after Graham (who seems to be making a career out of pre-fight scuffles) forced officials and fighters to separate the two after taunting Fujita at a recent pre-fight press conference.
2006 PRIDE welterweight Grand Prix champion Kazuo Misaki (19-8-2) choked out Shooto light heavyweight champion Siyar Bahadurzada (13-2-1) with a guillotine at 2:02 of the second round.
“The Grabaka Hitman” had the edge in experience but Bahadurzada is an up-and-coming fighter that will only get better.
With the event’s second heel hook, Evangelista Santos (16-11) upset the heavily-favored Makoto Takimoto (4-4) at 4:51 of the first round. While “Cyborg” was known for his lethal striking, many expected him to be absolutely tooled on the ground by Takimoto, an Olympic gold medalist who was supposed to be the one handing out submissions.
Bodog welterweight champion Nick “The Goat” Thompson (35-9-1) extended his winning streak to eleven after outlasting Brazil’s Fabricio “Pitbull” Monteiro (16-7). The unanimous decision win now puts Thompson at 19-1 since July of 2005.
Grappling phenom Antonio Braga Neto (5-1) saw his perfect record snapped after dropping a unanimous decision to Pancrase veteran Ryo Kawamura (8-2-2). Neto was expected to control the fight but the wily Kawamura proved that his loss against Keiichiro Yamamiya at Pancrase: Rising 10 may have been merely an off-night.
While Sengoku was a solid event it still pains me to see Josh Barnett walking the Japanese countryside like Kwai Chang Caine. Outside of Couture, Barnett is the only real credible threat to deposed despot Fedor Emelianenko who like Barnett, seems content fighting anyone not ranked in the top five.
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I wonder where they rank Barnett now. I say he’ll take #3 spot after Fedor and Nog
Josh Barnett, we NEED you in the UFC to make the heavyweight division deeper. Barnett is a stud and should be fighting the best fighters in the world.
heard this wasn’t on hdnet, sucks
[quote comment=”346288″]Josh Barnett, we NEED you in the UFC to make the heavyweight division deeper. Barnett is a stud and should be fighting the best fighters in the world.[/quote]
I wonna see him fight Fedor,,, even more than Fedor vs Randy
Another PRIDE FC clone. Coming from the land of the Rising Sun, where steroid testing does not exist, along with the heavy influence of the Yakuza. Japan truly is a MMA wasteland.
Barnett has always been one of my favorite fighters. Definatly top three in the world. Would love to see him in the UFC but Dana does not like him thus he is just a farse. Believe there are a few good fights for him there but would otherwise lay waste to that division!
if he was in the ufc he would be champ but dana does not want him.i would also rather see barnett vs fedor over randy.
JESSE, did you watch this event???? or did you just read the recap of it?? I would really like to watch a couple of these fights and I can’t seem to find them.
[quote comment=”346285″]I wonder where they rank Barnett now. I say he’ll take #3 spot after Fedor and Nog[/quote]
Over Couture because he beat Yoshida? Haha yeah right. When Couture fought Barnett, Couture controlled most of the fight even when Barnett was roided up.
[quote comment=”346380″]JESSE, did you watch this event???? or did you just read the recap of it?? I would really like to watch a couple of these fights and I can’t seem to find them.[/quote]
they will be on youtube tomorrow
[quote comment=”346359″]Another PRIDE FC clone. Coming from the land of the Rising Sun, where steroid testing does not exist, along with the heavy influence of the Yakuza. Japan truly is a MMA wasteland.[/quote]
Dana is it you?
[quote comment=”346396″][quote comment=”346285″]I wonder where they rank Barnett now. I say he’ll take #3 spot after Fedor and Nog[/quote]
Over Couture because he beat Yoshida? Haha yeah right. When Couture fought Barnett, Couture controlled most of the fight even when Barnett was roided up.[/quote]
let’s wait and see
thanks for the results, i bet it was a great event
Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss!
[quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.
All I got to say is everyone on this site attacks Sean Sherk for his positive steroid result, when yes it was his fault, but it was not done intentionally, and here you all are screaming for Barnett to be in the UFC.
Have we forgotten the fact that Barnett was stripped of his UFC Heavyweight Title for testing positive for Steroids? Don’t be hippocates. I think the reason why Barnett is content to fight in Japan is they don’t test him for roids. If he came to the UFC I think he would be a disappointment because he’d be off the beans.
I’m not one to judge or start a rumor, but if you ask me, I think alot of these Pride guys who have been not living up to their potential in the UFC could be the result of lack of performance enhancers. Could be why Mirko was so ready to pack his bags, or why Fedor won’t come.
Look how small Wanderlei looked against Chuck. not saying it’s true, but it does seem curious.
[quote comment=”346380″]JESSE, did you watch this event???? or did you just read the recap of it?? I would really like to watch a couple of these fights and I can’t seem to find them.[/quote]
Props to Jesse and Mania for showing World Victory Road some love! I too would like to see some of those fights, and I havent found any yet. I checked myfideofight but nothing none of last night fights are on there yet, hopefully by tomorrow they will be on the site.
Barnett submitting Yoshida by heel hook is very impressive to me. Anyone submitting Yoshida is impressive. I really would have liked to see the Bang vs. Gomi fight as well. Bang is a K-1 striker and Gomi is Gomi, it should have been an interesting stand up war.
Yesterday I was watching One of my favorite Gomi matches. It took place on the Bushido 9 DVD which was the Lightweight and welterweight Grand Prix. Gomi vs. Tasuya Kawajiri was an AWESOME match. Many people seem to think Gomi is over rated, I
wont agree, or defend him until I see him fight some UFC lightweights. But one thing cant be disputed, and that is that Gomi in general, has been involved in some of the most entertaining mma fights EVER. As a matter of fact, I can not recall, him taking part in a boring match.
I am a big Fan of the Fireball kid!
Props to Cyborg who won last night, and also accepted a fight on short notice in this up coming STRIKEFORCE event. Cyborg fought last night, and he will also fight at the end of March for Strikeforce. 2 fights in 1 month…. Gotta respect that!
[quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
Yea, i like Gom’s for sure but it pisses me off that he wont come to the UFC especially with Penn (A man that slaughtered him and the best there is period!) is back in his weight class. You would think that Gom’s would want this fight more than anything to prove his #1 status to the world. I dont think he is overranked at all, but wouldnt be #1 after a rematch with BJ so my attitude is “who cares who you fight ’til you fight BJ again, and lose, again.” Kinda how i feel about Fedor, (not like he would lose to Randy) but who cares who you fight ’til its the guy closest to your skill level, right? And besides, Gomi should want to come to the UFC, not only cause it has the best 155er in the world in BJ Penn, but ther are the #2,3, and probably 4 fighters in the world as well in Sherk, Florian, and Huerta, not to mention the competition of Guida, Lauzon, Din Thomas, Griffen, Edgar, Stevenson, Nate Diaz, Gamburyan (Cant spell that one) and a possible Faber added to a stacked list of LTWTs, i see it as hiding and holding on to a title of #1 as long as you can. BJ dont care though, if Gomi doesnt come to him, he’ll find Gomi, one day, for sure!! And yea, Gomi would win that Diaz rematch, or he should atleast . . .
[quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
I think gomi would work diaz in a rematch but it was one of my most favorite fights plus im a huge diaz brother fan….As for gomi and bj….bj would have a field day with gomi..plus gomi doesnt like to fight in the US after he had to cut the roids out to Diaz to lose……fight in Japan do steriods…..come to US get worked by more natural athletes
[quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
B.W: I think the whole mma world is awaiting the rematch of Gomi vs. Diaz. I am a huge fan of both fighters, and Diaz fought the fight of his life that night, but I to feel that Gomi might have not taken Diaz serious enough. I never really see him Gas and he was half dead by the end of round 1. I think he underestimated Diaz and it cost him.
A rematch would be really interesting. As you pointed out Diaz hasn’t looked all that great since last years win of Gomi. Gomi has only had one fight since the loss to diaz. I think EliteXC should work with WVR to collaborate on an event that would feature a rematch between the 2. I am surprised it hasnt happened yet, since that fight would be highly marketable considering that many fans feel it was 1 of the greatest mma matches of all time, if not the GREATEST!
[quote comment=”346485″][quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
I think gomi would work diaz in a rematch but it was one of my most favorite fights plus im a huge diaz brother fan….As for gomi and bj….bj would have a field day with gomi..plus gomi doesnt like to fight in the US after he had to cut the roids out to Diaz to lose……fight in Japan do steriods…..come to US get worked by more natural athletes[/quote]
Are you kidding me, you think Gomi would work Diaz but give BJ trouble or a “field day” LoL BJ would work both Diaz and Gomi at the same time, maybe a field day cause of all the blood coming out of Gomi, like we found out with Stevenson (and Gomi the first time around) it can get a bit messy in there, no?
[quote comment=”346486″][quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
B.W: I think the whole mma world is awaiting the rematch of Gomi vs. Diaz. I am a huge fan of both fighters, and Diaz fought the fight of his life that night, but I to feel that Gomi might have not taken Diaz serious enough. I never really see him Gas and he was half dead by the end of round 1. I think he underestimated Diaz and it cost him.
A rematch would be really interesting. As you pointed out Diaz hasn’t looked all that great since last years win of Gomi. Gomi has only had one fight since the loss to diaz. I think EliteXC should work with WVR to collaborate on an event that would feature a rematch between the 2. I am surprised it hasnt happened yet, since that fight would be highly marketable considering that many fans feel it was 1 of the greatest mma matches of all time, if not the GREATEST![/quote]
did you catch my blog about alister overeem being a good replacement for shogun. his fight w/ chuck in pride was awesome, or am i a little outdated on this one. my blog was on the shogun injury thread.
[quote comment=”346491″][quote comment=”346486″][quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
B.W: I think the whole mma world is awaiting the rematch of Gomi vs. Diaz. I am a huge fan of both fighters, and Diaz fought the fight of his life that night, but I to feel that Gomi might have not taken Diaz serious enough. I never really see him Gas and he was half dead by the end of round 1. I think he underestimated Diaz and it cost him.
A rematch would be really interesting. As you pointed out Diaz hasn’t looked all that great since last years win of Gomi. Gomi has only had one fight since the loss to diaz. I think EliteXC should work with WVR to collaborate on an event that would feature a rematch between the 2. I am surprised it hasnt happened yet, since that fight would be highly marketable considering that many fans feel it was 1 of the greatest mma matches of all time, if not the GREATEST![/quote]
did you catch my blog about alister overeem being a good replacement for shogun. his fight w/ chuck in pride was awesome, or am i a little outdated on this one. my blog was on the shogun injury thread.[/quote]
I commented what you wrote to my first post on the suject of Gom’s and BJ but its waiting to be moderated so check it once it gets posted and give a reply to my thoughts B.W.
[quote comment=”346470″]All I got to say is everyone on this site attacks Sean Sherk for his positive steroid result, when yes it was his fault, but it was not done intentionally, and here you all are screaming for Barnett to be in the UFC.
Have we forgotten the fact that Barnett was stripped of his UFC Heavyweight Title for testing positive for Steroids? Don’t be hippocates. I think the reason why Barnett is content to fight in Japan is they don’t test him for roids. If he came to the UFC I think he would be a disappointment because he’d be off the beans.
I’m not one to judge or start a rumor, but if you ask me, I think alot of these Pride guys who have been not living up to their potential in the UFC could be the result of lack of performance enhancers. Could be why Mirko was so ready to pack his bags, or why Fedor won’t come.
Look how small Wanderlei looked against Chuck. not saying it’s true, but it does seem curious.[/quote]
Barnett said he wanted to take on Courture. Dana told him to get lost. While I believe the drug testing has had little influence on the true pride fighters(Nog, Herring, Hendo, Rampage and a few others) some have definatly looked very flat(Rua, Roid Cop, ect..). Do not believe from what I have seen that Fedor uses or ever has. Yes Barnett is one of my favorites. Love his catch wrestling style but he did get caught cheating. Pissed me off!!! He however did not get an immediate second chance title shot like some oral er.. other people. Guess Dana just likes brunettes.
[quote comment=”346489″][quote comment=”346485″][quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
I think gomi would work diaz in a rematch but it was one of my most favorite fights plus im a huge diaz brother fan….As for gomi and bj….bj would have a field day with gomi..plus gomi doesnt like to fight in the US after he had to cut the roids out to Diaz to lose……fight in Japan do steriods…..come to US get worked by more natural athletes[/quote]
Are you kidding me, you think Gomi would work Diaz but give BJ trouble or a “field day” LoL BJ would work both Diaz and Gomi at the same time, maybe a field day cause of all the blood coming out of Gomi, like we found out with Stevenson (and Gomi the first time around) it can get a bit messy in there, no?[/quote]
OK, OK, i think you ment field day like kick Gomis *ss, not like how i took it which was have trouble with him, i completely agree!!! Gomi woul be Penn’s ragdoll!
On a side note..Have been in and around gyms for quite some time. Have been around all types, fair gamers and cheaters alike. While some deny and some admit, I have never ever heard or known someone to accidently roid. I do not even know how the hell you would do that. Oh thats right someone put traces of top of the line steroids in his fifty seven vitamins. BJ is number one and while he wont be able to show it with Gomi for the time being, the “Juice Shark” will suffice for a demo.
[quote comment=”346499″][quote comment=”346491″][quote comment=”346486″][quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
B.W: I think the whole mma world is awaiting the rematch of Gomi vs. Diaz. I am a huge fan of both fighters, and Diaz fought the fight of his life that night, but I to feel that Gomi might have not taken Diaz serious enough. I never really see him Gas and he was half dead by the end of round 1. I think he underestimated Diaz and it cost him.
A rematch would be really interesting. As you pointed out Diaz hasn’t looked all that great since last years win of Gomi. Gomi has only had one fight since the loss to diaz. I think EliteXC should work with WVR to collaborate on an event that would feature a rematch between the 2. I am surprised it hasnt happened yet, since that fight would be highly marketable considering that many fans feel it was 1 of the greatest mma matches of all time, if not the GREATEST![/quote]
did you catch my blog about alister overeem being a good replacement for shogun. his fight w/ chuck in pride was awesome, or am i a little outdated on this one. my blog was on the shogun injury thread.[/quote]
I commented what you wrote to my first post on the suject of Gom’s and BJ but its waiting to be moderated so check it once it gets posted and give a reply to my thoughts B.W.[/quote]
i still havent seen it yet and i have to leave now, so i will try later. fyi if you used to much profanity or were to derogitory it might not get posted.
Nah, not too much LoL i always block it out myself like *ss, sh*t, f*ck . . . I gotta go to class as well, so ill look back later today and see if it got up and if youve replied, later man.
[quote comment=”346516″]On a side note..Have been in and around gyms for quite some time. Have been around all types, fair gamers and cheaters alike. While some deny and some admit, I have never ever heard or known someone to accidently roid. I do not even know how the hell you would do that. Oh thats right someone put traces of top of the line steroids in his fifty seven vitamins. BJ is number one and while he wont be able to show it with Gomi for the time being, the “Juice Shark” will suffice for a demo.[/quote]
WORD!
[quote comment=”346470″]All I got to say is everyone on this site attacks Sean Sherk for his positive steroid result, when yes it was his fault, but it was not done intentionally, and here you all are screaming for Barnett to be in the UFC.
Have we forgotten the fact that Barnett was stripped of his UFC Heavyweight Title for testing positive for Steroids? Don’t be hippocates. I think the reason why Barnett is content to fight in Japan is they don’t test him for roids. If he came to the UFC I think he would be a disappointment because he’d be off the beans.
I’m not one to judge or start a rumor, but if you ask me, I think alot of these Pride guys who have been not living up to their potential in the UFC could be the result of lack of performance enhancers. Could be why Mirko was so ready to pack his bags, or why Fedor won’t come.
Look how small Wanderlei looked against Chuck. not saying it’s true, but it does seem curious.[/quote]
that may be true but sherk is allowed back with an instant title shot and everyone else caught on roids has been allowed back why not barnett.
Sherk is going to ripp Penn a new hole in his rear end!!!!!!!!!Crazy to think otherwise!!……..roids or no roids Sherk is still a machine hes 31 and 2 if you all forgotten…only loseing to GSP and Hughes….and he lost to GSP in 2005 and hughes in 2003 making him 15-1 since AUG.7th/2003…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
On a side note..Have been in and around gyms for quite some time. Have been around all types, fair gamers and cheaters alike. While some deny and some admit, I have never ever heard or known someone to accidently roid. I do not even know how the hell you would do that. Oh thats right someone put traces of top of the line steroids in his fifty seven vitamins. BJ is number one and while he wont be able to show it with Gomi for the time being, the “Juice Shark” will suffice for a demo.
Maybe I’ll have to ask Roger Clemans how you juice without knowing it. I think Dana look at Sherk’s case different than most because the others were caught with high levels and no deniability, he believed Sherk when he said he didn’t and the Lie detector helped support him. While not admissible in court, not too many people can outright beat em very few, that’s why they are something like 98% accurate!!!!
[quote comment=”346288″]Josh Barnett, we NEED you in the UFC to make the heavyweight division deeper. Barnett is a stud and should be fighting the best fighters in the world.[/quote]
I totally agree, but Dana White and Josh Barnett are mortal enemies. Thus, Barnet fighting in the UFC will likely never happen.
[quote comment=”346470″]All I got to say is everyone on this site attacks Sean Sherk for his positive steroid result, when yes it was his fault, but it was not done intentionally, and here you all are screaming for Barnett to be in the UFC.
Have we forgotten the fact that Barnett was stripped of his UFC Heavyweight Title for testing positive for Steroids? Don’t be hippocates. I think the reason why Barnett is content to fight in Japan is they don’t test him for roids. If he came to the UFC I think he would be a disappointment because he’d be off the beans.
I’m not one to judge or start a rumor, but if you ask me, I think alot of these Pride guys who have been not living up to their potential in the UFC could be the result of lack of performance enhancers. Could be why Mirko was so ready to pack his bags, or why Fedor won’t come.
Look how small Wanderlei looked against Chuck. not saying it’s true, but it does seem curious.[/quote]
i agree to some extent but barnett wont come over cause dana hasnt given him an invite and fedor wont come over cause dana wouldnt let him fight in combat sambo and everybody forgets that sambo is his national sport and he is russia’s pride and joy in sambo. dana pretty much sealed the deal when he said fedor cant fight sambo if he fights in the ufc. and also they test for roids in sambo. however yes wandy did looks alot smaller as did a couple of others and its more likely than not some of em were off cycle.
speaking of roids mark coleman vs brock lesnar
[quote comment=”346491″][quote comment=”346486″][quote comment=”346454″][quote comment=”346433″]Barnett, ehhh, whatever. GOMI!!!!! BJ Penn is waiting for you . . . Never thought BJ would get back down to 155 huh, LoL! Come to the UFC so BJ can get that #1 world ranking back. This new and improved Penn will make it easy on you, well, easier than last time, only have to get beat on for two rounds before the rear naked, not three. Hell, you might not even get out of the first! BJ would want to make a statement with GOMI, he’d want to punish up the #2 LTWT in the world to show theres a huge difference between first and second place when BJ Penn is involved! And Nick Diaz is here if thats more incentive for you, puss![/quote]
i think gomi would take diaz in a rematch. diaz hasent looked well in his last 2 fights, and i think he caught gomi by suprise. i do agree that b.j. would win the rematch w/ gomi probably just as easy as the first, but i think you are being a little too hard on gomi. im not his biggest fan btw and do think he can be overranked by some, but i still have alot of respect for him. you should too.[/quote]
B.W: I think the whole mma world is awaiting the rematch of Gomi vs. Diaz. I am a huge fan of both fighters, and Diaz fought the fight of his life that night, but I to feel that Gomi might have not taken Diaz serious enough. I never really see him Gas and he was half dead by the end of round 1. I think he underestimated Diaz and it cost him.
A rematch would be really interesting. As you pointed out Diaz hasn’t looked all that great since last years win of Gomi. Gomi has only had one fight since the loss to diaz. I think EliteXC should work with WVR to collaborate on an event that would feature a rematch between the 2. I am surprised it hasnt happened yet, since that fight would be highly marketable considering that many fans feel it was 1 of the greatest mma matches of all time, if not the GREATEST![/quote]
did you catch my blog about alister overeem being a good replacement for shogun. his fight w/ chuck in pride was awesome, or am i a little outdated on this one. my blog was on the shogun injury thread.[/quote]
B.W: I missed that post, but its an excellent idea. Overeem was actually giving Chuck a beating at the beginning of their fight in the 1st round of the 2003 Pride Grand Prix. Alistar was beating Chuck in the stand up battle, eventually Liddel came back and KO him, but it was a great fight.
However, I thought Alistar Overeem was one of StrikeForce’s champion’s, I could be wrong, anyone know for sure? If he is with StrikeForce, no way the UFC will be able to get their hands on him.
Fedor On Fighting Josh Barnett: “This fight is planned.”
Fedor said this in an interview. No ones really talking about the fact that Fedor actually said it’s planned so I thought I’d bring it up. This fight is gonna be awesome! Who takes it?
http://www.fightline.com/news/2008/3…o_317826.shtml
[quote comment=”346470″]All I got to say is everyone on this site attacks Sean Sherk for his positive steroid result, when yes it was his fault, but it was not done intentionally, and here you all are screaming for Barnett to be in the UFC.
Have we forgotten the fact that Barnett was stripped of his UFC Heavyweight Title for testing positive for Steroids? Don’t be hippocates. I think the reason why Barnett is content to fight in Japan is they don’t test him for roids. If he came to the UFC I think he would be a disappointment because he’d be off the beans.
I’m not one to judge or start a rumor, but if you ask me, I think alot of these Pride guys who have been not living up to their potential in the UFC could be the result of lack of performance enhancers. Could be why Mirko was so ready to pack his bags, or why Fedor won’t come.
Look how small Wanderlei looked against Chuck. not saying it’s true, but it does seem curious.[/quote]
Dude they could never prove he was on them first off.Second off he fought in vegas back in 06 against nastula and came up clean.And btw does anyone notice that they shortened sherks sentence and the reason they did that was because if they had admitted theyd screwed up then theyd have egg on their face let me put it this way sherk was clean and they couldnt admit it after all the crap theyd said
PLEASE NO MORE STEROID TALK!!!! Enough, when I get home and put on Sportcenter thats all we hear about these days, and now it has been taking over this site. There havent been that many fighters who have been caught using roids, the ones that have been caught, were never caught again. so forget about it.
Cro Cop was never on roids. He has always been a small Heavyweight, if anything he could have used a cycle or 2
Wanderlei and Shogun both tested clean when they fought in America and neither have decreased in Size. Everyone wants to say how small wandy looked against Chuck, well guess what he looked just as small, when he was kicking Rampage’s ass all over Pride.
Shogun didnt look as conditioned as usual against Forrest because he had no acl which prevented him from training for the Forrest fight. Last time I checked steroids build muscle, they dont aid in conditioning! If you dont train, you can take all the roids you want and u will still gas!
Until there is some proof, stop the speculating and Hating!
Mania, you want to moderate responses, well you can start by deleating the word ROIDS from every post that doesnt provide proof.Baselessly Accusing a fighter of cheating is much worse than calling some one an A-hole, IMO
Back to the thread, much props to Barnett for submitting Yoshida. I expected Barnett to win, but I would have never thought that he would be able to submit the Olympic Judoka Yoshia…. Very impressive!
Once again, Props to Cyborg for fighting 2 times in the same month!
[quote comment=”346600″]Sherk is going to ripp Penn a new hole in his rear end!!!!!!!!!Crazy to think otherwise!!……..roids or no roids Sherk is still a machine hes 31 and 2 if you all forgotten…only loseing to GSP and Hughes….and he lost to GSP in 2005 and hughes in 2003 making him 15-1 since AUG.7th/2003…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………[/quote]
LoL!! Fighters that Penn has faced that are all around better fighters than Sherk = Lyotto Machida, GSP, Renzo Gracie, Rodrigo Gracie, Hughes(twice), Gomi, Jens Pulver back in the day, Din Thomas back in the day, etc etc etc . . . But i think you’re right, Penn should be intimidated LoL When Hughes lost his belt to BJ, BJ was just 6-1-1 while Hughes was 36-3 and 5 time defending champ and BJ was moving up in weight(thats pressure and intimidation). Not to mention Machida was/is undefeated and BJ faught him at 205lbs, Rodrigo Gracie was undefeated at 185lbs. Believe me, nothing about Sherk or his lame duck record even makes Penn blink!
[quote comment=”346751″]Mania, you want to moderate responses, well you can start by deleating the word ROIDS from every post that doesnt provide proof.Baselessly Accusing a fighter of cheating is much worse than calling some one an A-hole, IMO[/quote]
its funny you can’t say to much to another posters but you can bash fighters and say crazy stuff with no proof and that gets through.
[quote comment=”346943″][quote comment=”346600″]Sherk is going to ripp Penn a new hole in his rear end!!!!!!!!!Crazy to think otherwise!!……..roids or no roids Sherk is still a machine hes 31 and 2 if you all forgotten…only loseing to GSP and Hughes….and he lost to GSP in 2005 and hughes in 2003 making him 15-1 since AUG.7th/2003…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………[/quote]
LoL!! Fighters that Penn has faced that are all around better fighters than Sherk = Lyotto Machida, GSP, Renzo Gracie, Rodrigo Gracie, Hughes(twice), Gomi, Jens Pulver back in the day, Din Thomas back in the day, etc etc etc . . . But i think you’re right, Penn should be intimidated LoL When Hughes lost his belt to BJ, BJ was just 6-1-1 while Hughes was 36-3 and 5 time defending champ and BJ was moving up in weight(thats pressure and intimidation). Not to mention Machida was/is undefeated and BJ faught him at 205lbs, Rodrigo Gracie was undefeated at 185lbs. Believe me, nothing about Sherk or his lame duck record even makes Penn blink![/quote]
LOL….PENN is 3-3 in his last six fights!!!! and one of his last six fight he fought Renzo Gracie who went in that fight loseing 5 of his last 6 fight…LOL.. before the stevenson win his last big win was Hughes in 2004….Penn only got a title shot because he beat up a washed up pulver on the ultimate fighter and all the new fans really liked him because of the past his two huge wis over Hughes and Gomi…..doesnt matter who you fight you have too ..(he lost to machida by (UNANIMOUS DECISION)…it wasnt even close and like i said Sherk is 15-1 since 2003 and before the Hughes fight he was 16-0-1 and is 36-3-1 overall….LOL
[quote comment=”346988″][quote comment=”346943″][quote comment=”346600″]Sherk is going to ripp Penn a new hole in his rear end!!!!!!!!!Crazy to think otherwise!!……..roids or no roids Sherk is still a machine hes 31 and 2 if you all forgotten…only loseing to GSP and Hughes….and he lost to GSP in 2005 and hughes in 2003 making him 15-1 since AUG.7th/2003…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………[/quote]
LoL!! Fighters that Penn has faced that are all around better fighters than Sherk = Lyotto Machida, GSP, Renzo Gracie, Rodrigo Gracie, Hughes(twice), Gomi, Jens Pulver back in the day, Din Thomas back in the day, etc etc etc . . . But i think you’re right, Penn should be intimidated LoL When Hughes lost his belt to BJ, BJ was just 6-1-1 while Hughes was 36-3 and 5 time defending champ and BJ was moving up in weight(thats pressure and intimidation). Not to mention Machida was/is undefeated and BJ faught him at 205lbs, Rodrigo Gracie was undefeated at 185lbs. Believe me, nothing about Sherk or his lame duck record even makes Penn blink![/quote]
LOL….PENN is 3-3 in his last six fights!!!! and one of his last six fight he fought Renzo Gracie who went in that fight loseing 5 of his last 6 fight…LOL.. before the stevenson win his last big win was Hughes in 2004….Penn only got a title shot because he beat up a washed up pulver on the ultimate fighter and all the new fans really liked him because of the past his two huge wis over Hughes and Gomi…..doesnt matter who you fight you have too ..(he lost to machida by (UNANIMOUS DECISION)…it wasnt even close and like i said Sherk is 15-1 since 2003 and before the Hughes fight he was 16-0-1 and is 36-3-1 overall….LOL[/quote]
hughes and gsp beat sherk, bj lost to them both but much closer fights bj lost to machida in a close decision it was a good fight not a blow out and machida is alot bigger.the good thing is we will see when they fight and i think it will be bj that wins.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Yoshida… What have you done?
You should have came to the UFC. Drag abunch of your fighters and scrap it out over here…
Maybe your JUDO would work better in the Cage.
[quote comment=”346988″][quote comment=”346943″][quote comment=”346600″]Sherk is going to ripp Penn a new hole in his rear end!!!!!!!!!Crazy to think otherwise!!……..roids or no roids Sherk is still a machine hes 31 and 2 if you all forgotten…only loseing to GSP and Hughes….and he lost to GSP in 2005 and hughes in 2003 making him 15-1 since AUG.7th/2003…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………[/quote]
LoL!! Fighters that Penn has faced that are all around better fighters than Sherk = Lyotto Machida, GSP, Renzo Gracie, Rodrigo Gracie, Hughes(twice), Gomi, Jens Pulver back in the day, Din Thomas back in the day, etc etc etc . . . But i think you’re right, Penn should be intimidated LoL When Hughes lost his belt to BJ, BJ was just 6-1-1 while Hughes was 36-3 and 5 time defending champ and BJ was moving up in weight(thats pressure and intimidation). Not to mention Machida was/is undefeated and BJ faught him at 205lbs, Rodrigo Gracie was undefeated at 185lbs. Believe me, nothing about Sherk or his lame duck record even makes Penn blink![/quote]
LOL….PENN is 3-3 in his last six fights!!!! and one of his last six fight he fought Renzo Gracie who went in that fight loseing 5 of his last 6 fight…LOL.. before the stevenson win his last big win was Hughes in 2004….Penn only got a title shot because he beat up a washed up pulver on the ultimate fighter and all the new fans really liked him because of the past his two huge wis over Hughes and Gomi…..doesnt matter who you fight you have too ..(he lost to machida by (UNANIMOUS DECISION)…it wasnt even close and like i said Sherk is 15-1 since 2003 and before the Hughes fight he was 16-0-1 and is 36-3-1 overall….LOL[/quote]
Are you kidding, maybe you should watch the Machida fight bro, and remember there is a 4 in height advantage, several lbs weight advantage, several in reach advantage, BJ only had like 8 fights and he moved all the way up to HVWT. Take those facts, and watch that fight, watch when BJ takes Machida down and remember all that and tell me it wasnt close. And if BJ only got the title fight cuz he beat Pulver, why didnt Lauzon get a shot first??? Make some sense to me man . . . You forget Dwane Ludwig who had just beaten Pulver, An Undefeated Rodrigo Gracie. Dude the guy only has like 18 fights under his belt and almost half of them are title fights. He gets these type of fights cause he’s got nuts and skill, not cause he beat down on a has been. Just before BJ faught Hughes for the second time he lost and still got that title shot when GSP got hurt, not someone else. Because he’s a “bad man!” Do me a favor and name 5 fighters that are relavent today that Sherk has beaten and dont name Franca, Diaz or kenflo, just name some guys for me, ones that i dont know that are so accomplished which makes Sherk accomplished for beating them . . . Ill wait while you look up his MMA record . . .
If your telling me the GSP fight wasnt close ill really laugh here, im not argueing that Penn won (He did) but that it was a close fight either way and the tuffest of GSP’s career to that point for sure. And then tell me how close the Sherk/GSP fight was. . . And with Renzo, its not about his record prior to that fight, its about going up from 155 to 185 and beating a Gracie that you shouldnt have even been in the ring with to begin with. Sherk would never dream of trying it, hell he cant even hold his own at 170 let alone at 185 against a Gracie, or two Gracies like BJ did. Meanwhile BJ is a former 170lb CHAMP!
HA, Sherk has all those wins and fights over a long career but was ony a champion for like a year, all that work and nothing to show for it, plus all those W’s could be courtesy of roids, we all know his only title defense was and he couldnt even put Franca away, on roids he couldnt put Franca away, need i say more . . .
[quote comment=”347140″]HA, Sherk has all those wins and fights over a long career but was ony a champion for like a year, all that work and nothing to show for it, plus all those W’s could be courtesy of roids, we all know his only title defense was and he couldnt even put Franca away, on roids he couldnt put Franca away, need i say more . . .[/quote]
i’ll end this for you. b.j. will destroy mini-matt roids or no roids. b.j. is what icall a super-fighter. a super-fighter is what boxing experts used as a term for the likes of leonard,hagler,roy jones, delahoya and mayweather. gsp, a.silva,rampage,chuck, wandi, fedor and randy are super-fighters in my book. if i left anyone off my bad. i left sherk off purposley.
And Sherk is 31-2-1, not 36-3-1. If your gonna back a fighter, know his MMA record when you talk sh*t . . .
[quote comment=”347161″][quote comment=”347140″]HA, Sherk has all those wins and fights over a long career but was ony a champion for like a year, all that work and nothing to show for it, plus all those W’s could be courtesy of roids, we all know his only title defense was and he couldnt even put Franca away, on roids he couldnt put Franca away, need i say more . . .[/quote]
i’ll end this for you. b.j. will destroy mini-matt roids or no roids. b.j. is what icall a super-fighter. a super-fighter is what boxing experts used as a term for the likes of leonard,hagler,roy jones, delahoya and mayweather. gsp, a.silva,rampage,chuck, wandi, fedor and randy are super-fighters in my book. if i left anyone off my bad. i left sherk off purposley.[/quote]
WORD! And that moderated paragraph response to you is up there now B.W. about the original Q’s and A’s regarding Gom’s and Penn, Diaz etc . . .
for the millionith time fedor vs randy would not b a good fight fedor would rape randy aginst his will, lesnar is wht its all about
[quote comment=”347178″]for the millionith time fedor vs randy would not b a good fight fedor would rape randy aginst his will, lesnar is wht its all about[/quote]
In 3 or 4 years, Lessy needs some experience, but would probably get subbed regarless of when they fight, it would take Lesnar about 10 years to catch up to fedors all around MMAness.
[quote comment=”346751″]Mania, you want to moderate responses, well you can start by deleating the word ROIDS from every post that doesnt provide proof.Baselessly Accusing a fighter of cheating is much worse than calling some one an A-hole, IMO[/quote]
John, In my opinion!!! that’s what we do here. We give our opinion. You don’t like it, that’s fine, you have a different opinion. that’s what ceates discussion. that’s what keeps the site active. If we all agreed on everything, it would be one big “No doubt” “Totally agree” “I second that” type site and what kind of sense does that make? Stop taking it so personally. Nobody speculated about you of using Roids did they?
[quote comment=”346751″]Mania, you want to moderate responses, well you can start by deleating the word ROIDS from every post that doesnt provide proof.Baselessly Accusing a fighter of cheating is much worse than calling some one an A-hole, IMO[/quote]
No thanks. Moderation is THE BANE OF MY EXISTENCE. There is nothing worse, except maybe people complaining about it. I do what I can. It’s a necessary evil to try and keep this place troll-free. Some stuff I see, some stuff gets through. When there’s 500+ comments a day it gets a little hard. I’m sorry the word and the allegations offend you so much. My only suggestion is to take the high road and not even interact with the people with whom you have an issue (or who you say make baseless claims). And yes, we’re far more strict with reader-on-reader attacks than reader-on-fighter. This thread would be a whole lot worse if we weren’t … trust me.
Where the hell is Denis Kang?
[quote comment=”346716″]Fedor On Fighting Josh Barnett: “This fight is planned.”
Fedor said this in an interview. No ones really talking about the fact that Fedor actually said it’s planned so I thought I’d bring it up. This fight is gonna be awesome! Who takes it?
http://www.fightline.com/news/2008/3…o_317826.shtml/quote
I don’t know man, it’s gonna be a tough one