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	<title>Comments on: UFC 85: Martin Kampmann vs. Jorge Rivera</title>
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		<title>By: Seamus</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/03/04/ufc-85-martin-kampmann-vs-jorge-rivera/#comment-475078</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must've missed his last fight against Drew McFedries.</description>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/03/04/ufc-85-martin-kampmann-vs-jorge-rivera/#comment-346735</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot all about McDonald, Alan Belcher, Starnes is also a good one. Robbie Lawler is signed to other organization...so 4get about him. There is no point in including Filho in my imaginary tournament because the point of the tournament is too find Anderson Silva an opponent. Silva and Filho have already said that they wont fight each other, so what would be the point of having Filho take place in this tournament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot all about McDonald, Alan Belcher, Starnes is also a good one. Robbie Lawler is signed to other organization&#8230;so 4get about him. There is no point in including Filho in my imaginary tournament because the point of the tournament is too find Anderson Silva an opponent. Silva and Filho have already said that they wont fight each other, so what would be the point of having Filho take place in this tournament.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Johnson</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/03/04/ufc-85-martin-kampmann-vs-jorge-rivera/#comment-346554</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAAAARR Kampmann</description>
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		<title>By: the levi</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/03/04/ufc-85-martin-kampmann-vs-jorge-rivera/#comment-346317</link>
		<dc:creator>the levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="345996"][quote comment="344786"][quote comment="344385"][quote comment="344243"]The middleweight division isn't as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.

What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st "modern day" UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:

Bracket #1:
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida

Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping

Bracket #2:
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter

Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares

This tournament can really build up a marketable contender to fight Silva. Anyone of these fighters could win. It would be really exciting for a boring division (excluding Hendo and Silva)

What do u guys think?[/quote]

How come Franklin gets a bid in your tournament, but Henderson doesn't?  Henderson only lost to Silva one time, and he actually won a round against him?

And who the F is Rousimar Palhares?  Besides the fact that he is fighting Ivan Salaverry in May?  Where's J-Mac?

Also, Bracket 1 looks stacked compared to Bracket 2, not that it matters, but I'm just sharing the thoughts that came to mind.

PS Alesio Sakara is a bum[/quote]

Henderson wouldnt be in the tournament because I expect him to move back up to 205 lb. Only way I see Hendo staying at 185 lb is to fight Franklin or if wanderlei wanted to move down to fight him. Other than that I see him going back up to 205 lb.

You will find out soon enough about Rusimar my friend. I did it really fast and forgot a few names. Replace Sakara with J-mac. Henderson doesnt get a bid because he like Silva is "above" this tournament. If Hendo entered he would be a heavy Favorite, without Hendo its anyones game...and thats the point, to find out wich one of these fighters can step up and win it all. Have this tournament over the course of 3 pay perviews, 1 every 3 months. They could really market the hell out of the winner in a fight against Silva. Right now trying to find an opponent for him is too tough.[/quote]

Ahhh, I see John.  I think that that may be necessary soon, but not at the current moment.  Right now Yushin Okami DESERVES a title shot.  After that though, its really up in the air and anything is possible.[/quote]

anoyher fighter that was overlooked was Kalib Starnes.
i would take k.grove, a.sakara and r.palhares out,and i would replace them with Starnes,N.Quarry and bring back Ruthless Robbie Lawler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;345996&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;344786&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;344385&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;344243&#8243;]The middleweight division isn&#8217;t as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.</p>
<p>What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st &#8220;modern day&#8221; UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:</p>
<p>Bracket #1:<br />
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara<br />
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida</p>
<p>Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben<br />
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping</p>
<p>Bracket #2:<br />
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries<br />
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter</p>
<p>Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove<br />
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares</p>
<p>This tournament can really build up a marketable contender to fight Silva. Anyone of these fighters could win. It would be really exciting for a boring division (excluding Hendo and Silva)</p>
<p>What do u guys think?[/quote]</p>
<p>How come Franklin gets a bid in your tournament, but Henderson doesn&#8217;t?  Henderson only lost to Silva one time, and he actually won a round against him?</p>
<p>And who the F is Rousimar Palhares?  Besides the fact that he is fighting Ivan Salaverry in May?  Where&#8217;s J-Mac?</p>
<p>Also, Bracket 1 looks stacked compared to Bracket 2, not that it matters, but I&#8217;m just sharing the thoughts that came to mind.</p>
<p>PS Alesio Sakara is a bum[/quote]</p>
<p>Henderson wouldnt be in the tournament because I expect him to move back up to 205 lb. Only way I see Hendo staying at 185 lb is to fight Franklin or if wanderlei wanted to move down to fight him. Other than that I see him going back up to 205 lb.</p>
<p>You will find out soon enough about Rusimar my friend. I did it really fast and forgot a few names. Replace Sakara with J-mac. Henderson doesnt get a bid because he like Silva is &#8220;above&#8221; this tournament. If Hendo entered he would be a heavy Favorite, without Hendo its anyones game&#8230;and thats the point, to find out wich one of these fighters can step up and win it all. Have this tournament over the course of 3 pay perviews, 1 every 3 months. They could really market the hell out of the winner in a fight against Silva. Right now trying to find an opponent for him is too tough.[/quote]</p>
<p>Ahhh, I see John.  I think that that may be necessary soon, but not at the current moment.  Right now Yushin Okami DESERVES a title shot.  After that though, its really up in the air and anything is possible.[/quote]</p>
<p>anoyher fighter that was overlooked was Kalib Starnes.<br />
i would take k.grove, a.sakara and r.palhares out,and i would replace them with Starnes,N.Quarry and bring back Ruthless Robbie Lawler.</p>
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		<title>By: ViolentMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>ViolentMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="344786"][quote comment="344385"][quote comment="344243"]The middleweight division isn't as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.

What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st "modern day" UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:

Bracket #1:
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida

Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping

Bracket #2:
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter

Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares

This tournament can really build up a marketable contender to fight Silva. Anyone of these fighters could win. It would be really exciting for a boring division (excluding Hendo and Silva)

What do u guys think?[/quote]

How come Franklin gets a bid in your tournament, but Henderson doesn't?  Henderson only lost to Silva one time, and he actually won a round against him?

And who the F is Rousimar Palhares?  Besides the fact that he is fighting Ivan Salaverry in May?  Where's J-Mac?

Also, Bracket 1 looks stacked compared to Bracket 2, not that it matters, but I'm just sharing the thoughts that came to mind.

PS Alesio Sakara is a bum[/quote]

Henderson wouldnt be in the tournament because I expect him to move back up to 205 lb. Only way I see Hendo staying at 185 lb is to fight Franklin or if wanderlei wanted to move down to fight him. Other than that I see him going back up to 205 lb.

You will find out soon enough about Rusimar my friend. I did it really fast and forgot a few names. Replace Sakara with J-mac. Henderson doesnt get a bid because he like Silva is "above" this tournament. If Hendo entered he would be a heavy Favorite, without Hendo its anyones game...and thats the point, to find out wich one of these fighters can step up and win it all. Have this tournament over the course of 3 pay perviews, 1 every 3 months. They could really market the hell out of the winner in a fight against Silva. Right now trying to find an opponent for him is too tough.[/quote]

Ahhh, I see John.  I think that that may be necessary soon, but not at the current moment.  Right now Yushin Okami DESERVES a title shot.  After that though, its really up in the air and anything is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;344786&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;344385&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;344243&#8243;]The middleweight division isn&#8217;t as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.</p>
<p>What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st &#8220;modern day&#8221; UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:</p>
<p>Bracket #1:<br />
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara<br />
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida</p>
<p>Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben<br />
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping</p>
<p>Bracket #2:<br />
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries<br />
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter</p>
<p>Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove<br />
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares</p>
<p>This tournament can really build up a marketable contender to fight Silva. Anyone of these fighters could win. It would be really exciting for a boring division (excluding Hendo and Silva)</p>
<p>What do u guys think?[/quote]</p>
<p>How come Franklin gets a bid in your tournament, but Henderson doesn&#8217;t?  Henderson only lost to Silva one time, and he actually won a round against him?</p>
<p>And who the F is Rousimar Palhares?  Besides the fact that he is fighting Ivan Salaverry in May?  Where&#8217;s J-Mac?</p>
<p>Also, Bracket 1 looks stacked compared to Bracket 2, not that it matters, but I&#8217;m just sharing the thoughts that came to mind.</p>
<p>PS Alesio Sakara is a bum[/quote]</p>
<p>Henderson wouldnt be in the tournament because I expect him to move back up to 205 lb. Only way I see Hendo staying at 185 lb is to fight Franklin or if wanderlei wanted to move down to fight him. Other than that I see him going back up to 205 lb.</p>
<p>You will find out soon enough about Rusimar my friend. I did it really fast and forgot a few names. Replace Sakara with J-mac. Henderson doesnt get a bid because he like Silva is &#8220;above&#8221; this tournament. If Hendo entered he would be a heavy Favorite, without Hendo its anyones game&#8230;and thats the point, to find out wich one of these fighters can step up and win it all. Have this tournament over the course of 3 pay perviews, 1 every 3 months. They could really market the hell out of the winner in a fight against Silva. Right now trying to find an opponent for him is too tough.[/quote]</p>
<p>Ahhh, I see John.  I think that that may be necessary soon, but not at the current moment.  Right now Yushin Okami DESERVES a title shot.  After that though, its really up in the air and anything is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Hand Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Hand Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="344786"][quote comment="344385"][quote comment="344243"]The middleweight division isn't as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.

What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st "modern day" UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:

Bracket #1:
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida

Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping

Bracket #2:
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter

Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares



Pretty cool if UFC would ever do it (NEVER).  I would change a couple out.  Take out Sakara, Palhares, and Drew McFedries.  Replace them with Henderson, Alan Belcher, and Jason McDonald.
That would be perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;344786&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;344385&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;344243&#8243;]The middleweight division isn&#8217;t as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.</p>
<p>What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st &#8220;modern day&#8221; UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:</p>
<p>Bracket #1:<br />
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara<br />
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida</p>
<p>Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben<br />
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping</p>
<p>Bracket #2:<br />
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries<br />
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter</p>
<p>Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove<br />
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares</p>
<p>Pretty cool if UFC would ever do it (NEVER).  I would change a couple out.  Take out Sakara, Palhares, and Drew McFedries.  Replace them with Henderson, Alan Belcher, and Jason McDonald.<br />
That would be perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: kingger</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/03/04/ufc-85-martin-kampmann-vs-jorge-rivera/#comment-345279</link>
		<dc:creator>kingger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could be fight of the night ...both guys are real crowd pleasers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could be fight of the night &#8230;both guys are real crowd pleasers</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/03/04/ufc-85-martin-kampmann-vs-jorge-rivera/#comment-345139</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="344243"]The middleweight division isn't as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.

What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st "modern day" UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:

Bracket #1:
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida

Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping

Bracket #2:
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter

Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares

This tournament can really build up a marketable contender to fight Silva. Anyone of these fighters could win. It would be really exciting for a boring division (excluding Hendo and Silva)

What do u guys think?[/quote]
i'd take out palhares, tanner and sakara . and bring up paulo filho from the wec. so we can see him and his talent that they have bragging about on the wec. jason mcdonald and see if GSP would like to move up and give it a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;344243&#8243;]The middleweight division isn&#8217;t as bad as we all make it out to be. The problem is Silva and Henderson are in a class above the rest. Whats good about the division is that it has depth. The problem right now is there is no clear cutt #1 contender thats marketable to match Silva up against.</p>
<p>What better way to clear up this division and build up a marketable #1 contender, than to have the 1st &#8220;modern day&#8221; UFC middleweight Grand Prix? 16 fighters over the course of three pay per view events. By the time its all said and done, the UFC would have built themselves a marketable #1 contender. Just to give u a picture of the possabilities. heres my tournament:</p>
<p>Bracket #1:<br />
Rich Franklin vs. Allesio Sakara<br />
Ed Herman vs. Ricardo Almeida</p>
<p>Thales Leites vs. Chris Leben<br />
Martin Kampman vs. Micheal bisping</p>
<p>Bracket #2:<br />
Yushin Okami vs. Drew McFedries<br />
Patrik Cote vs. Travis Lutter</p>
<p>Nate Marquardt vs. Kendall Grove<br />
Evan Tanner vs. Rousimar Palhares</p>
<p>This tournament can really build up a marketable contender to fight Silva. Anyone of these fighters could win. It would be really exciting for a boring division (excluding Hendo and Silva)</p>
<p>What do u guys think?[/quote]<br />
i&#8217;d take out palhares, tanner and sakara . and bring up paulo filho from the wec. so we can see him and his talent that they have bragging about on the wec. jason mcdonald and see if GSP would like to move up and give it a try.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/03/04/ufc-85-martin-kampmann-vs-jorge-rivera/#comment-345129</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="344191"]that's gonna be a hell of a card.[/quote]

i'm sorry but liddell and rua fight is off. that and the swick vs davis fight r the only ones i like. rivera should get a harder fight. like a submission fighter 2 see if he has gotten better at the ground game. and vera vs werdum i didn't like werdum in the arlovski fight but i didn't like arlovski either but arlovski already proved himself werdum has a win over the WAY OVER-RATED gonzaga big deal. i think arlovski vs vera. let vs see the healthy arlovski and i bet he moves 2 light heavywieght.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;344191&#8243;]that&#8217;s gonna be a hell of a card.[/quote]</p>
<p>i&#8217;m sorry but liddell and rua fight is off. that and the swick vs davis fight r the only ones i like. rivera should get a harder fight. like a submission fighter 2 see if he has gotten better at the ground game. and vera vs werdum i didn&#8217;t like werdum in the arlovski fight but i didn&#8217;t like arlovski either but arlovski already proved himself werdum has a win over the WAY OVER-RATED gonzaga big deal. i think arlovski vs vera. let vs see the healthy arlovski and i bet he moves 2 light heavywieght.</p>
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		<title>By: metalnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>metalnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that tournament except i'd take out Alessio Sakara and Rousimar Palhares and add Jason Macdonald and probably Jorge Rivera</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that tournament except i&#8217;d take out Alessio Sakara and Rousimar Palhares and add Jason Macdonald and probably Jorge Rivera</p>
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