Mauricio “Shogun” Rua has ruptured the Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) in his left knee and it will require surgery to repair, meaning his 205-pound clash with Chuck Liddell at UFC 85 on June 7 at the O2 Arena in London, England, is scratched, according to UFC.com.
Here’s the snip:
“Scheduled to make his return to the Octagon this June against Chuck Liddell at UFC 85 in London, light heavyweight star Mauricio “Shogun” Rua has instead been forced to withdraw from the bout due to a ruptured ACL in his left knee, the same injury he had surgery on to repair last October after his UFC 76 fight with Forrest Griffin. Surgery on the injured knee will be scheduled shortly, and there is no word on when Rua will be cleared to return to the Octagon.”
Rua was looking forward to redeeming himself inside the Octagon after a poor performance against Griffin in his debut. Prior to the loss he was considered to be the man to beat in the 205-pound category.
He’ll now have to wait a little while longer to prove that the statement is indeed true.
Liddell is still slated to compete on the card. In fact, the announcement indicated that a new opponent would be revealed “shortly.” It more than likely has to be a notable fighter because “The Iceman” will be featured in the main event.
It’s hard to determine who the UFC would tab as a worthy replacement, considering that most of the top light heavyweights are seemingly booked.
That list includes Rampage Jackson, Forrest Griffin, Rashad Evans, Thiago Silva, Lyoto Machida, Tito Ortiz, Keith Jardine, Wanderlei Silva, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou and Houston Alexander.
Who’s left?
(Thanks to MMAmania.com contributor “Mr. NC-17,” as well as readers “roy,” “VNDK8,” “Brandon” and “Kyle” for the assist.)
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This is the biggest PILE OF BULLSH*T!!!! I HAVE EVER SEEN! How on earth did this moron injure his knee!?!?! My god!
This really sucks, I wonder who they’ll get to fight Chuck now. Rashad Evans?
he probably injured it playing basketball. i mean, im not a professional or anything, but thats as good a guess as any.
Dan Henderson ?
That would be a great fight, but i think that we are going to see Iceman vs Wilson Goveia.
Rashad would be a good fight…. not sure hes ready though
That sucks!!! I was really wanting to see that fight!!
Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…
That sux it wouldnt have been a great fight, but maybe someone to fill the shoes of Rua would be Thiago Silva..Thoughts(both fighters like to bang and thiago has excellent ground game)
thiago silva
sorry i wrote wrong, it wouldve been a great fight
horrible news, an acl injury is not a easy thing to come back from espcialy two in a row.he probally injured it rehabbing from the first surgery.after you go through one of those let alone two your never quit the same.
Liddell needs to fight Jardine again, hopefully he won’t be afraid of him this time.
Danni Abaddi
Jardine is fighting Wand so he’s out, Machida is fighting Tito or I think he’d step in. I really don’t see anyone on the roster that I think they’d put in there except Thiago or Rashad.
thiago silva.
This is phucking ridiculous. Why is everyone injuring themselves and withdrawing from fights all of a sudden? Ex: Alan Belcher, Stephan Bonnar, Jon Fitch’s original opponent for 82, whoever Boetsch replaced at 81, Matt Serra for 79 and now Shogun? Why can’t the crappy fighters withdraw from fights ever. I’m probably forgetting about a bunch of others, but in the last three or four months EVERYONE that makes UFC worth watching is somehow getting INJURED. WTF?
is Cro Cop just being loaned out to the DREAM organisation or is he out of contract with the UFC now, would love to see him drop to 205 to fight chuck. awesome
actually maybe if Matt Hammil can get by on 4/2..have Chuck knock the deaf out of him
Next one to injure himself will be Ortiz…. He wants nothing to do with Machida
Stephan Bonnar would be a great fight
[quote comment="344513"]is Cro Cop just being loaned out to the DREAM organisation or is he out of contract with the UFC now, would love to see him drop to 205 to fight chuck. awesome[/quote]
He’s gone. UFC doesn’t “loan” out there fighters.
This is phucking ridiculous. Why is everyone injuring themselves and withdrawing from fights all of a sudden? Ex: Alan Belcher, Stephan Bonnar, Jon Fitch’s original opponent for 82, whoever Boetsch replaced at 81, Matt Serra for 79 and now Shogun? Why can’t the crappy fighters withdraw from fights ever. I’m probably forgetting about a bunch of others, but in the last three or four months EVERYONE that makes UFC worth watching is somehow getting INJURED. WTF?
[quote comment="344476"]This really sucks, I wonder who they’ll get to fight Chuck now. Rashad Evans?[/quote]
I thought Rashad was fighting Thiago Silva at UFC 84???
I thought it was strange that they only announced Chuck Liddell during UFC 82. This doesn’t shock me that much. Sucks though.
[quote comment="344519"]Next one to injure himself will be Ortiz…. He wants nothing to do with Machida[/quote]
I think that he wants so bad to be out of the UFC and away from Dana he will fight…. Hope he comes prepared…..long night getting beat at his own game if not….Still think Forrest won that fight…..
[quote comment="344524"][quote comment="344476"]This really sucks, I wonder who they’ll get to fight Chuck now. Rashad Evans?[/quote]
I thought Rashad was fighting Thiago Silva at UFC 84???[/quote]
Damn I forgot about that, is it official yet? It’s not on the card on ufc.com.
tito, machida, rashad, thiago, and wandi are all booked to fight at UFC 84 so it looks like its goin to have to be someone like Bonner or Gouveia. i think they should try to find a guy from another organization. i don’t know who but any suggestions?
It will likely be Bonnar, which is not really a challenge for Chuck.
Remember the UFC is trying to position Chuck for a title shot. If he fights a lower quality opponent, then it will appear that the title shot is illegitimate.
wow, that blows.
That’s probably why during UFC 82, they called the event “UFC 85 Chuck Liddell”, there was no mention of Shogun.
GUYS, THERE IS ONLY ONE ELITE 205 LB FIGHTER NOT SCHEDULED TO FIGHT, AND HIS NAME, IS DAN HENDERSON!!!!!!
I totally agree with Mwm, Evans would be an excellent match up. Hes undefeated outside of the bullshit with Ortiz. Evans, Lambert or Gouviea. This weight division is really looking weak at this point. Everyone has left or gone down a weight class. If Vera dropped to 205 that might be a bad ass fight. HA! put tito’s dumbass back in there. I can never get enough of watching chuck kick his ass
Dan Henderson is the only top ranked that is not scheduled to fight….
[quote comment="344510"]This is phucking ridiculous. Why is everyone injuring themselves and withdrawing from fights all of a sudden? Ex: Alan Belcher, Stephan Bonnar, Jon Fitch’s original opponent for 82, whoever Boetsch replaced at 81, Matt Serra for 79 and now Shogun? Why can’t the crappy fighters withdraw from fights ever. I’m probably forgetting about a bunch of others, but in the last three or four months EVERYONE that makes UFC worth watching is somehow getting INJURED. WTF?[/quote]
Injuries are just going to happen in MMA. But this fight needed to happen. Shogun is turning out to be a good size disappointment. But hey, we’ve got plenty of time since the LHW championship is being tied up for so long anyway. So, Dana might as well have brought this upon himself. Interim title anyone? Just kidding.
How about Anderson Silva in a catchweight
[quote comment="344510"]This is phucking ridiculous. Why is everyone injuring themselves and withdrawing from fights all of a sudden? Ex: Alan Belcher, Stephan Bonnar, Jon Fitch’s original opponent for 82, whoever Boetsch replaced at 81, Matt Serra for 79 and now Shogun? Why can’t the crappy fighters withdraw from fights ever. I’m probably forgetting about a bunch of others, but in the last three or four months EVERYONE that makes UFC worth watching is somehow getting INJURED. WTF?[/quote]
These injuries are pretty serious man, have ever tore an acl? I don’t think anyone would fight with a serious injury against a caliber fighter. Lidell should fight Houston Alexander
Houston Alexander Houston Alexander Houston Alexander.
[quote comment="344554"]How about Anderson Silva in a catchweight[/quote]
eeeeeee…. Poor Chuck
how about the other nogueira brother?
[quote comment="344481"]Dan Henderson ?
That would be a great fight, but i think that we are going to see Iceman vs Wilson Goveia.[/quote]
Dan Henderson vs Chuck would be great, he was the first person that came to my mind. Hopefully he would consider it…
cheers for putting me straight on cro cop. tim boetsch seems to like stepping in at short notice to kick the crap out of people, with wandy, jardine, gouveia, reljic, ortiz, machida, evans and thiago silva all fighting at UFC 84, doesnt leave many other names to fight at UFC 85. matt hamill? houston alexander? or what about Rich Franklin moving up???
Can’t be Bonnar since he said last month he would be out 6 months with the tear in his knee. I’d put my money on Hendo or possibly Jason Lambert.
Hamill and Alexander are both fighting at UFN next month
I think it may very well be Wilson Gouveia
Everybody else is tied up already:
Tito vs Machida- although my gut tells me that the UFC might consider scrapping that one in favor of Machida/Chuck. They could drag out Tito’s contract a bit more and keep him away from EliteXC
Jardine vs Wandy
Jackson vs Griffin
Thiago vs Rashad
Houston vs James Irvin
Sokoudjou vs Nakamura
Hendo will stay 185
Sucks anyway
I’d love to see Vera come down in weight. He’s a soft heavyweight so I think he could definitely cut down to 205 if he worked at it. He even said he wanted to fight Chuck back when Chuck had the belt. Come on Vera, let’s see it!
[quote comment="344554"]How about Anderson Silva in a catchweight[/quote]
I don’t see Anderson Silva having a non-title fight in any other weight class. Besides, if he beat Chuck it would be very bad for the UFC. Chuck is probably the biggest draw in the UFC and they wouldn’t want to see him lose, especially to someone who fights in a lower weight class. I think that Wilson Gouveia would be the best replacement, he needs to get some more exposure. Dan Henderson is another option. I think he is more needed in the MW division, but he would make it the most marketable fight possible.
This is phucking ridiculous. Why is everyone injuring themselves and withdrawing from fights all of a sudden? Ex: Alan Belcher, Stephan Bonnar, Jon Fitch’s original opponent for 82, whoever Boetsch replaced at 81, Matt Serra for 79 and now Shogun? Why can’t the crappy fighters withdraw from fights ever. I’m probably forgetting about a bunch of others, but in the last three or four months EVERYONE that makes UFC worth watching is somehow getting INJURED. WTF?
[quote comment="344554"]How about Anderson Silva in a catchweight[/quote]
Chuck has enough trouble making 205. How is he going to drop an extra 10 pounds to 195?
I say send Anderson Silva up to kick Chucks ass.
Think I’ve said that on almost every thread for motnhs now. lol
the UFC knew this since a while back which is why in the UFC website youll only find Chuck in the logo for the sale of the tickets, at first I tought it was strange seeing how he was fighting shogun why didnt they just put a picture of both but, now it makes sense. Machida, Tito, Wandy, Jardine, Forrest, Rampage, Evans, Thiago all are scheduled to fight already Lambert is out of the picture dont know why any would mention him he got his head knocked off by Guiovea, MYb itll be him, or Rashad or Thiago im sure the UFC would mess up there fight in order to give Chuck a markee opponent oh myb the return of VITOR!!! but I dont think Chuck beating Vitor would give him a legit shot at the title who else Henderson cannot afford another loss I had thought about it before Dan just lost both his belts consecutively to very tough opponents but still lost them , Dan would need to get back into the winning column. It wouldnt be crazy if Tim Boetch beats Hamill they would throw him at Chuck. who the hell is gonna fight him NAkamura and Soko are busy as well and all the other fighters in the LHW division are not that good.
Im going with Gouveia
Vera weighs in (fight weight) @ 220 lbs. – 225 lbs. He is the lightest HW since Randy’s departure. I think he can cut the weight and this would be the best available fight.
[quote comment="344468"]This is the biggest PILE OF BULLSH*T!!!! I HAVE EVER SEEN! How on earth did this moron injure his knee!?!?! My god![/quote]
Maybe training, you “moron”.
Looks like Dan Henderson might be fighting at 205 again soon…
Crap, forgot about Wilson Gouveia vs. Goran Reljic at UFC 84. Guess it’ll have to be Sausage Tits Lambert….or Wayne Weems…
This is disapointing to hear, as a hardcore fan i was looking forward to that fight. This could not come at a worse time especially when all the highly ranked light heavies are tied up even forrest and rampage. I dont want to see gouveia(snooze fest). It is going to be exciting to see who they pick. Maybe Hendo otherwise someone is going to have to jump or drop weight.
P.s. Hendo vs Silva 2(lets see how times silva gets to hit dan in the back of the head this time)
i would love the see Liddell/Vera. they are both exciting fighters and would put on a great show!
This would be a great time for the UFC to sign Arona and have him fight chuck. No bigger name for chuck to fight who is not already scheduled to fight someone else (or litle nog).
i think a good idea would be Liddell/Machida. Tito said he doesn’t want to fight Machida so give Tito a shot at Wandi and let Machida get Liddell like he wants.
I think Shogun mis timed a steroid cycle. No knee injury. He’s just been juicing so he doesn’t gas again like he did with Forest. I don’t really think that, but wanted to throw it out there anyway.
Vera fights Werdum soon
[quote comment="344544"]wow, that blows.
That’s probably why during UFC 82, they called the event “UFC 85 Chuck Liddell”, there was no mention of Shogun.
GUYS, THERE IS ONLY ONE ELITE 205 LB FIGHTER NOT SCHEDULED TO FIGHT, AND HIS NAME, IS DAN HENDERSON!!!!!![/quote]
I hope dan jumps at this oppurtunity and requests this fight, Dan needs to get a big win and beating chuck would do that I wanna see dan win the LHW belt and then drop back down to MW to fight anderson again.
chuck and vera,nice
Vera is booked to fight Werdum on the same fight night, so Vera isn’t fighting him. I think Wilson Gouveia will step up and fight Iceman. Since Wilson has been impressive in his all ufc fights. It doesn’t really matter who Chuck is fighting. Whoever it is, he is getting his ass whoped!!
James S -
It would not be a steroid cycle in that case. More something along the lines of blood doping or other process to add oxygen to the blood. Think Tour de France as opposed to WWE.
[quote comment="344593"][quote comment="344554"]How about Anderson Silva in a catchweight[/quote]
Chuck has enough trouble making 205. How is he going to drop an extra 10 pounds to 195?[/quote]
Watch your tongue boy
LOL offer the fight to “Handy”. How can he say Fedor is the only challenge left for him when he is 1-2 vs chuck. I’m sure it’d be a big draw.
There is only one option – VITOR BELFORT.
He has already mentioned he was in talks with the UFC to return April, and that he is sick of Cage Rage (even though he is the champ). This fight would be one for the fans, and a massive draw card. If Vitor wins, he is back in the game, if he loses he heads straight out again.
Thanks Mania, now I am a contributor
about time.
[quote comment="344646"]James S -
It would not be a steroid cycle in that case. More something along the lines of blood doping or other process to add oxygen to the blood. Think Tour de France as opposed to WWE.[/quote]
In either case, I honestly don’t care. I just couldn’t believe I had read through a whole list of quotes about someone from Chute Box without the mention of anabolic enhancement usage.
There is only one option – VITOR BELFORT.
Or what about Anderson Silva in a once of showcase match. No titles, just one for the fans.
[quote comment="344663"]Or what about Anderson Silva in a once of showcase match. No titles, just one for the fans.[/quote]
Silva takes that fight with ease.
i would love the see Liddell/Vera. they are both exciting fighters and would put on a great show!
Vera sux he got embarassed in the worst fight ive ever seen with Tim S
If Bonnar is unavailable, then look to Rashad.
Doug marshall could be interesting or even Paulo Filho from wec if theres enough time between march 26th and then, but hendo got to be the man in the running considering they need to sell 25000 seats. Vera would be good but something crazy what i would like to see is rich franklin, dont laugh! that guys got some muscle and i think they match up pretty well, ufc will have to look at bringing a midle weight up or a heavy weight down considering and were else has rich franklin gotta go
that sucks but, Thiago Silva, would make up for it.
[quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….
Damn you Shogun! Phuck me! What were you thinking man? You think you would take it easy! He would have put up a much better fight than that of Griffin. I’m not saying he would win, I would like him to, but, that is my point, it would have been a halacious fight! How did he manage to reinjure?
I like the Liddell-Machida, Tito-Wanderlei idea. Those would be two very good fights. Joe Silva needs to do a little mix-and-match here.
Thiago Silva, PLEASE!!! That guy needs to get some attention.
people, you are failing to realize that 10 LHW’s are tied up in other bouts within 2 months of UFC 85 so none of those guys will be able to fight Chuck and other LHW’s are hurt. Also, guys like Vera and Franklin have fights coming up soon too. The UFC either needs to pull something outta their ass or scrap Liddell on this card and save him for the winner of any off those 205 bouts at UFC 84.
[quote comment="344503"]Danni Abaddi[/quote]
Damn, now that’s funny
Guys it is Thiago Silva vs. Rashad Evans, so cross them both off your list please.
I would love to see Brandon Vera drop the Fabricio fight and drop down to 205 and fight Liddell.
Wilson Gouevia is a tough dude, he knocked out Jason Lambert with a mean hook, and it would be a very tough fight, a lot more than people think.
Thats all I can see right now.
He should call up Brian McNamee to get him hooked up with some HGH. The guys can’t cut it without the juice. Shogun is Cro Cop part 2.
[quote comment="344618"]This is disapointing to hear, as a hardcore fan i was looking forward to that fight. This could not come at a worse time especially when all the highly ranked light heavies are tied up even forrest and rampage. I dont want to see gouveia(snooze fest). It is going to be exciting to see who they pick. Maybe Hendo otherwise someone is going to have to jump or drop weight.
P.s. Hendo vs Silva 2(lets see how times silva gets to hit dan in the back of the head this time)[/quote]
stop crying, silva is the better fighter.
[quote comment="344544"]wow, that blows.
That’s probably why during UFC 82, they called the event “UFC 85 Chuck Liddell”, there was no mention of Shogun.
GUYS, THERE IS ONLY ONE ELITE 205 LB FIGHTER NOT SCHEDULED TO FIGHT, AND HIS NAME, IS DAN HENDERSON!!!!!![/quote]
Yeah Henderson seems to be the only logical possibility, especially since he didnt take much of a beating against Silva, and he hasnt suffered any serious injuries. It would be great if Hendo steps up and saves this event because I have always wanted to see Chuck vs. Hendo!
I feel bed for Shogun, luckily he is still very young and is a determined fighter, I know he will be back, just sucks I am going to have to wait longer to see it.
Wilson Gouevia also told Chuck to watchout before he fought Carmello. So that could be an interesting contest.
[quote comment="344727"]Guys it is Thiago Silva vs. Rashad Evans, so cross them both off your list please.
I would love to see Brandon Vera drop the Fabricio fight and drop down to 205 and fight Liddell.
Wilson Gouevia is a tough dude, he knocked out Jason Lambert with a mean hook, and it would be a very tough fight, a lot more than people think.
Thats all I can see right now.[/quote]
I am pretty sure that Gouevia is already booked.
Maybe he should fight Babalu again… He wouldn’t mind trying to avenge 2 losses but Chuck would just walk right thru him for a 3rd time.
[quote comment="344624"]This would be a great time for the UFC to sign Arona and have him fight chuck. No bigger name for chuck to fight who is not already scheduled to fight someone else (or litle nog).[/quote]
Linx: Rogerio Nog would make for a great opponent and the UFC could market it easily. Rogerio is the twin brother of the UFC Heavyweight champion that stopped Big Tim…..Nuff Said!
Arona wouldnt be a bad idea either, but if I had my choice, I would go with Nogueira.
[quote comment="344730"]He should call up Brian McNamee to get him hooked up with some HGH. The guys can’t cut it without the juice. Shogun is Cro Cop part 2.[/quote]
does shogun have the body of a juicer,you should not make those kind of statements with out some facts behind them.
Booked for UFN 13 on April 2nd
Matt Hamill, Tim Boetcsh, Houston Alexander, James Irvin
Booked for UFC 84 on May 24th
Tito Ortiz, Lyoto Machida, Keith Jardine, Wanderlei Silva, Rashad Evans, Thiago Silva, Wilson Gouveia, Goran Reljic
Hendo won’t come back up to 205
Franklin fights a UFC 83
Vera fights at UFC 85
None of these guys should be mentioned in a fight with Liddell so be creative and come up with a fighter not on this list and maybe you can be taken seriously.
[quote comment="344761"][quote comment="344624"]This would be a great time for the UFC to sign Arona and have him fight chuck. No bigger name for chuck to fight who is not already scheduled to fight someone else (or litle nog).[/quote]
Linx: Rogerio Nog would make for a great opponent and the UFC could market it easily. Rogerio is the twin brother of the UFC Heavyweight champion that stopped Big Tim…..Nuff Said!
Arona wouldnt be a bad idea either, but if I had my choice, I would go with Nogueira.[/quote]
the only problem with lil’ nog is that I am 99% sure he is signed with another organization. But I really want to see Arona back in action, he is a tough dude that no one is signing… I just don’t understand why.
[quote comment="344500"]horrible news, an acl injury is not a easy thing to come back from espcialy two in a row.he probally injured it rehabbing from the first surgery.after you go through one of those let alone two your never quit the same.[/quote]
yeah, especially if you don’t give it the proper time to heal properly and then jump right into training instead of easing into it. joint injuries are rough.. i had to have my knee reconstructed and its never been the same honestly.
I think Gouveia is the only guy available in the UFC.
Dana is known for stepping up with good last-minute fights. I think he may bring someone in. Rogerio Nogueira comes to mind.
Liddell will destroy Gouveia, guaranteed.
[quote comment="344775"]Booked for UFN 13 on April 2nd
Matt Hamill, Tim Boetcsh, Houston Alexander, James Irvin
Booked for UFC 84 on May 24th
Tito Ortiz, Lyoto Machida, Keith Jardine, Wanderlei Silva, Rashad Evans, Thiago Silva, Wilson Gouveia, Goran Reljic
Hendo won’t come back up to 205
Franklin fights a UFC 83
Vera fights at UFC 85
None of these guys should be mentioned in a fight with Liddell so be creative and come up with a fighter not on this list and maybe you can be taken seriously.[/quote]
why won’t hendo come back up? before the silva fight he didn’t want to come down. hendo is a possibility, so stop trying to be a smart ass.
[quote comment="344800"]I think Gouveia is the only guy available in the UFC.
Dana is known for stepping up with good last-minute fights. I think he may bring someone in. Rogerio Nogueira comes to mind.
Liddell will destroy Gouveia, guaranteed.[/quote]
gouveia isn’t available… he’s booked for UFC 84
Why not let him and Houston Alexander Exchange Bombs ???
[quote comment="344818"]Why not let him and Houston Alexander Exchange Bombs ???[/quote]
he fights at UFN 13 on april 2nd so is also not available
telling people about who is/isn’t available is starting to get old fast
Stephan bonner, belfort or anderson silva, or dan could be the opponents.
[quote comment="344751"][quote comment="344727"]Guys it is Thiago Silva vs. Rashad Evans, so cross them both off your list please.
I would love to see Brandon Vera drop the Fabricio fight and drop down to 205 and fight Liddell.
Wilson Gouevia is a tough dude, he knocked out Jason Lambert with a mean hook, and it would be a very tough fight, a lot more than people think.
Thats all I can see right now.[/quote]
I am pretty sure that Gouevia is already booked.[/quote]
He is, but it’s to fight Goran Reljic. I’m pretty sure that the UFC could find a suitable replacement to fight Reljic (i.e. Jason Lambert) a lot easier than they can find a good replacement to fight Chuck. However if they can sign Lil Nog or Arona they would also be great fights, as well as great additions to the UFC.
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope this is april fools come early.
[quote comment="344659"]There is only one option – VITOR BELFORT.[/quote]
Good option, I love Vitor, but he may not be ready and would need a warm up fight. I don’t think Anderson Silva would move up? Or pull Sokoudjou from Nakamura and match him vs Chuck??? If not, then Houston would be the only one left, and he’s fighting Apr 2.
Verne Troyer!!!!!!! Or Stone Cold, lol
[quote comment="344566"][quote comment="344481"]Dan Henderson ?
That would be a great fight, but i think that we are going to see Iceman vs Wilson Goveia.[/quote]
Yea Im pretty sure gouveia called him out at UFC 71 after he beat carmelo marrero.
Chuck vs Ricardo Arona!!!
That Fil-HO guy for telling Chuck he would never help an american train for a brazilian. The UFC could make it into a bad blood deal. Would give chuck a chance to knock his head all the way back to brazil. Or I haven’t seen Sokoujou’s name out there that would be good to.
Filho is a middleweight and happens to be the champ of WEC at that class… he wouldn’t be able to fight 205 but that would be a nice fight if he was able to.
I gotta say that i’m disappointed that Shogun is out. I don’t doubt that he reinjured his knee because although he is one of the top paid guys in that division, fighters like him and other top guys get paid a lot less than a basketball player. When those guys hurt their knees, or an ankle or shoulder, sometimes they still make like $100,00 a game. Injured or not. And they play 82 games a year. They can afford to sit out a game and still make $$$.
Why don’t they give him Alexander? If they wanna promote a good fight, get Houston in the mix. 2 guys who love to bang. Houston was a little gun-shy against Silva. Chuck will force him to bring it, and Chuck doesn’t like to take it to the ground. Sure he did it against Wandi but he never kept him down in that fight. Liddelll likes it better on the feet all the time and so does Houston, so why not?
[quote comment="344625"]i think a good idea would be Liddell/Machida. Tito said he doesn’t want to fight Machida so give Tito a shot at Wandi and let Machida get Liddell like he wants.[/quote]
[quote comment="344648"]LOL offer the fight to “Handy”. How can he say Fedor is the only challenge left for him when he is 1-2 vs chuck. I’m sure it’d be a big draw.[/quote]
The two best ideas yet. If either of these can’t happen, Chuck needs to drop out. I know he’s all about fighting anyone the UFC wants, but it’s not worth it for him to fight anyone who isn’t an elite and recognized fighter. When he fought Jardine, it was a lose/lose situation. He wins, so what? Who the hell is Jardine? He loses, he must be past his prime. He should retire. I see a similar situation with him fighting anyone but a marquee fighter.
~wAyNe
Going out on a limb, but since the WEC is the sister company of the UFC, how about the winner of Doug Marshall vs. Stann Mar 26?
[quote comment="344894"][quote comment="344625"]i think a good idea would be Liddell/Machida. Tito said he doesn’t want to fight Machida so give Tito a shot at Wandi and let Machida get Liddell like he wants.[/quote]
[quote comment="344648"]LOL offer the fight to “Handy”. How can he say Fedor is the only challenge left for him when he is 1-2 vs chuck. I’m sure it’d be a big draw.[/quote]
The two best ideas yet. If either of these can’t happen, Chuck needs to drop out. I know he’s all about fighting anyone the UFC wants, but it’s not worth it for him to fight anyone who isn’t an elite and recognized fighter. When he fought Jardine, it was a lose/lose situation. He wins, so what? Who the hell is Jardine? He loses, he must be past his prime. He should retire. I see a similar situation with him fighting anyone but a marquee fighter.
~wAyNe[/quote]
well i’m glad i could come up with the best idea… makes me feel smart haha
dan sounds like the best choice to me and one of the only names mentioned that if he wins deserves a title shot right after.of course arona and lil nog would be great but there not in the ufc and everyone else seems to by booked up.
Bring in the WEC champ its a win win for Zuffa chuck wins give him a chance Marshall wins and all of a sudden WEC is mainstream and legit. I could be wrong but i say go for it
marshall can’t hold chuck’s jock but i understand what you’re trying to say
[quote comment="344618"]This is disapointing to hear, as a hardcore fan i was looking forward to that fight. This could not come at a worse time especially when all the highly ranked light heavies are tied up even forrest and rampage. I dont want to see gouveia(snooze fest). It is going to be exciting to see who they pick. Maybe Hendo otherwise someone is going to have to jump or drop weight.
P.s. Hendo vs Silva 2(lets see how times silva gets to hit dan in the back of the head this time)[/quote]
If you think Hendo lost because of hits to the back of the head you might wanna start watching a new sport. That is a typical nut hugger comment right there. I’m a fan of Hendo but he was beat fair and square
[quote comment="344911"]Bring in the WEC champ its a win win for Zuffa chuck wins give him a chance Marshall wins and all of a sudden WEC is mainstream and legit. I could be wrong but i say go for it[/quote]
The only bummer is that we will soon have to pay to watch WEC on pay per view..but eventually that’s the goal correct??? UFC stars can experiment with different weight classes as well, and maybe throw in a Super Heavyweight Div, like I read another blog suggesting that so that Sapp can be in the Octagon.
[quote comment="344779"][quote comment="344761"][quote comment="344624"]This would be a great time for the UFC to sign Arona and have him fight chuck. No bigger name for chuck to fight who is not already scheduled to fight someone else (or litle nog).[/quote]
Linx: Rogerio Nog would make for a great opponent and the UFC could market it easily. Rogerio is the twin brother of the UFC Heavyweight champion that stopped Big Tim…..Nuff Said!
Arona wouldnt be a bad idea either, but if I had my choice, I would go with Nogueira.[/quote]
the only problem with lil’ nog is that I am 99% sure he is signed with another organization. But I really want to see Arona back in action, he is a tough dude that no one is signing… I just don’t understand why.[/quote]
Nicely said. ANDERSON SILVA!!!!! WOWZA…I don’t know if he could fight outside of 185 while being the champ, but this would be HUGE!!! I don’t want to waste $40 watching him kill Okami. SILVA SILVA SILVA…I’d pay $100 to watch this.
Stephan Bonnar. I think it would be a great opportunity for him and it wouldn’t be a walk-in-the-park like everyone might suspect.
Nicely said. ANDERSON SILVA!!!!! WOWZA…I don’t know if he could fight outside of 185 while being the champ, but this would be HUGE!!! I don’t want to waste $40 watching him kill Okami. SILVA SILVA SILVA…I’d pay $100 to watch this.
Bonner said he won’t be back for about 6 months, which puts it past the event
ANDERSON SILVA. This would be a mega fight even if it’s not for a title. Besides…there is no one else in 185 worth wasting a fight on in the UFC.
[quote comment="344916"][quote comment="344618"]This is disapointing to hear, as a hardcore fan i was looking forward to that fight. This could not come at a worse time especially when all the highly ranked light heavies are tied up even forrest and rampage. I dont want to see gouveia(snooze fest). It is going to be exciting to see who they pick. Maybe Hendo otherwise someone is going to have to jump or drop weight.
P.s. Hendo vs Silva 2(lets see how times silva gets to hit dan in the back of the head this time)[/quote]
If you think Hendo lost because of hits to the back of the head you might wanna start watching a new sport. That is a typical nut hugger comment right there. I’m a fan of Hendo but he was beat fair and square[/quote]
seriously, how many times did silva hit dan in the back of the head? I don’t think I counted even one…
ENTER STEPHAN BONNAR. IF HE CAN BEAT CHUCK AND FORREST CAN BEAT JACKSON, WE HAVE GRIFFIN BONNAR 3 FOR 5 ROUNDS
Rameau Sokoudjou “The African Assassin” Even though he lost to Machida, he is still a bad mutha and loves to bang. Or Stephen Bonner, but it won’t sell big. Can Brandon Vera drop Werdum and drop weight? That would be awesome too.
[quote comment="344944"]ENTER STEPHAN BONNAR. IF HE CAN BEAT CHUCK AND FORREST CAN BEAT JACKSON, WE HAVE GRIFFIN BONNAR 3 FOR 5 ROUNDS[/quote]
Bonnar has only won 2 of his last 4 fights, those 2 wins being in his last 2 fights but he isn’t even being mentioned as a title contender. there is an entire list of fighters i could see fighting for a title before him.
With nobody available the UFC should bring in Melvin Manhoef. The british fans should know who the guy is (Manhoef vs Cyborg in Cage Rage rings a bell) and those that don’t know him get to see what should be a spectacular clash.
Sounds like a win-win situation for the UFC.
[quote comment="344775"]Booked for UFN 13 on April 2nd
Matt Hamill, Tim Boetcsh, Houston Alexander, James Irvin
Booked for UFC 84 on May 24th
Tito Ortiz, Lyoto Machida, Keith Jardine, Wanderlei Silva, Rashad Evans, Thiago Silva, Wilson Gouveia, Goran Reljic
Hendo won’t come back up to 205
Franklin fights a UFC 83
Vera fights at UFC 85
None of these guys should be mentioned in a fight with Liddell so be creative and come up with a fighter not on this list and maybe you can be taken seriously.[/quote]
I wouldn’t be so quick to say Hendo won’t go back to 205: I seem to remember hearing a lot after he lost to Jackson about how he wouldn’t go to 185 and look how that turned out. Plus that’s really the only available star opponent for Liddell that’s already under contract.
The only other names that are being thrown around that are available and already under contract are Anderson Silva, Stephan Bonnar and Jason Lambert:
Silva probably needs to dispose of Okami before he goes after another division. Even so, he’s already said that he’d prefer to go down to 170 rather than up to 205.
Stephan Bonnar-Not nearly as marketable as hendo/liddell. They’d definitely need a good co-main event to bolster the card or they’ll end up with UFC 78 part 2.
Jason Lambert-It’d probably be a tougher fight for Liddell than most people might think, but even less marketable than Bonnar/Liddell. I think this one’s only slightly more likely than “the spider” vs. “da spyda”.
So unless the UFC’s on the verge of signing a big name, It’s likely to be Hendo, or maybe Bonnar with a good co-main event or with a new main event (maybe Anderson Silva vs. Danny Abbadi and Gabe “Colonic” Ruedinger in a 2-on-1 match with Lesnar as the special guest referee).
How about an extremely long shot……..The Natural !
[quote comment="344989"][quote comment="344775"]Booked for UFN 13 on April 2nd
Matt Hamill, Tim Boetcsh, Houston Alexander, James Irvin
Booked for UFC 84 on May 24th
Tito Ortiz, Lyoto Machida, Keith Jardine, Wanderlei Silva, Rashad Evans, Thiago Silva, Wilson Gouveia, Goran Reljic
Hendo won’t come back up to 205
Franklin fights a UFC 83
Vera fights at UFC 85
None of these guys should be mentioned in a fight with Liddell so be creative and come up with a fighter not on this list and maybe you can be taken seriously.[/quote]
I wouldn’t be so quick to say Hendo won’t go back to 205: I seem to remember hearing a lot after he lost to Jackson about how he wouldn’t go to 185 and look how that turned out. Plus that’s really the only available star opponent for Liddell that’s already under contract.
The only other names that are being thrown around that are available and already under contract are Anderson Silva, Stephan Bonnar and Jason Lambert:
Silva probably needs to dispose of Okami before he goes after another division. Even so, he’s already said that he’d prefer to go down to 170 rather than up to 205.
Stephan Bonnar-Not nearly as marketable as hendo/liddell. They’d definitely need a good co-main event to bolster the card or they’ll end up with UFC 78 part 2.
Jason Lambert-It’d probably be a tougher fight for Liddell than most people might think, but even less marketable than Bonnar/Liddell. I think this one’s only slightly more likely than “the spider” vs. “da spyda”.
So unless the UFC’s on the verge of signing a big name, It’s likely to be Hendo, or maybe Bonnar with a good co-main event or with a new main event (maybe Anderson Silva vs. Danny Abbadi and Gabe “Colonic” Ruedinger in a 2-on-1 match with Lesnar as the special guest referee).[/quote]
I just don’t see how Hendo can bounce back and forth between classes and be competitive in the UFC(i know he did it in PRIDE but that’s different)… For his sake, he should pick a weight class and just run with it
its Ricardo Arona
Sokoujou would be good, both will bang, and its a good fight for Chuck, Sokoujou is not that bad of a name, to set up his next title shot at the championship.
Since HO..gun is faking a knee injury to get out of this fight with Chuck. Just my opinion.
[quote comment="344597"]the UFC knew this since a while back which is why in the UFC website youll only find Chuck in the logo for the sale of the tickets, at first I tought it was strange seeing how he was fighting shogun why didnt they just put a picture of both but, now it makes sense. Machida, Tito, Wandy, Jardine, Forrest, Rampage, Evans, Thiago all are scheduled to fight already Lambert is out of the picture dont know why any would mention him he got his head knocked off by Guiovea, MYb itll be him, or Rashad or Thiago im sure the UFC would mess up there fight in order to give Chuck a markee opponent oh myb the return of VITOR!!! but I dont think Chuck beating Vitor would give him a legit shot at the title who else Henderson cannot afford another loss I had thought about it before Dan just lost both his belts consecutively to very tough opponents but still lost them , Dan would need to get back into the winning column. It wouldnt be crazy if Tim Boetch beats Hamill they would throw him at Chuck. who the hell is gonna fight him NAkamura and Soko are busy as well and all the other fighters in the LHW division are not that good.[/quote]
Lambert just got caught in the Gouveia fight…he was dominating until that point…and I think Lamberts style is a good match with Over-rated Chuckys…they both like to stand and bang..but I am sure that Over-rated Chucky would be scared to fight someone that has some power…and you can call him sausage tits all you want…at least he doesn’t have a huge ass beer gut like over-rated Chucky
[quote comment="344489"]That sux it wouldnt have been a great fight, but maybe someone to fill the shoes of Rua would be Thiago Silva..Thoughts(both fighters like to bang and thiago has excellent ground game)[/quote]
No way will Thiago replace Shogun. This was a fight that Lidell was supposed to win and Thiago would be all over Chuck.
[quote comment="344928"]Stephan Bonnar. I think it would be a great opportunity for him and it wouldn’t be a walk-in-the-park like everyone might suspect.[/quote]
Agreed. This would be a good matchup and give us a genuine idea of where Chuck is really at. I think it could be a real 50/50 fight, an absolute bang-fest!
Its offical theres no for liddell because either the person has a fight coming up, there injured, or in an other weight class. Chuck can either wait for shogun or settel for a bum.
[quote comment="345052"][quote comment="344928"]Stephan Bonnar. I think it would be a great opportunity for him and it wouldn’t be a walk-in-the-park like everyone might suspect.[/quote]
Agreed. This would be a good matchup and give us a genuine idea of where Chuck is really at. I think it could be a real 50/50 fight, an absolute bang-fest![/quote]
Where Chuck is really at? So him leaving Wanderlei’s face unrecognizable doesn’t mean any thing to you. You must be in the twilight zone Stephen is nowhere near Chuck’s league
dam it! oh well..saves Shogun from getting knocked out, hopefully he gets a warm up fighter for wen he is healed and comes back
I have a feeling they are seriously considering Anderson Silva. He mentioned at the post fight conference that he is an employee of the UFC and if they need him to step up a weight class and take on a super fight, he would do it for the company. It leads me to believe that they have at least mentioned it to him. And Dana admitted Spider had cleaned out the division, and in the same breath said he has some very exciting plans for Silva. This, along with the fact that they promised a replacement shortly has me thinking with all the pound for pound talk surrounding Silva, he will be given the chance to prove it.
[quote comment="345072"][quote comment="345052"][quote comment="344928"]Stephan Bonnar. I think it would be a great opportunity for him and it wouldn’t be a walk-in-the-park like everyone might suspect.[/quote]
Agreed. This would be a good matchup and give us a genuine idea of where Chuck is really at. I think it could be a real 50/50 fight, an absolute bang-fest![/quote]
Where Chuck is really at? So him leaving Wanderlei’s face unrecognizable doesn’t mean any thing to you. You must be in the twilight zone Stephen is nowhere near Chuck’s league[/quote]
Wanderlei is overated and by my count Chuck scraped across the line 2 rounds to one. Wanderlei has serious scaring from years of barefist fights and EVERYONE opens up those cuts, not just Chuck. Sorry, but if you’re talking about a committed, younger Chuck of three years ago i would agree, but he is not the fighter he was either mentally or physically. Shogun is a middle weight and was being fed to Chuck to help give him a few wins. Let it go man……
Really we can speculate a day until are heads explode, but the only thing we can hope for is that one of the LHWs from fight UFN 13 escapes there fight unsathed.
I wish shogun would just fight with his injured knee. It wont make much of a difference, he would have got KOed any way.
IT HAS JUST BEEN CONFIRMED THAT DAN HENDERSON HAS AGREED TO FIGHT CHUCK LIDDELL AT UFC 85
I have a funny feeling SIlva will move up to 205 and take on Chuck….I could just be dreaming, but I saw on Chucks site mmajacked that he said he doesnt see anyone at 185 as a challenge for Silva….dont know if it means anything or not
[quote comment="345088"][quote comment="345072"][quote comment="345052"][quote comment="344928"]Stephan Bonnar. I think it would be a great opportunity for him and it wouldn’t be a walk-in-the-park like everyone might suspect.[/quote]
Agreed. This would be a good matchup and give us a genuine idea of where Chuck is really at. I think it could be a real 50/50 fight, an absolute bang-fest![/quote]
Where Chuck is really at? So him leaving Wanderlei’s face unrecognizable doesn’t mean any thing to you. You must be in the twilight zone Stephen is nowhere near Chuck’s league[/quote]
Wanderlei is overated and by my count Chuck scraped across the line 2 rounds to one. Wanderlei has serious scaring from years of barefist fights and EVERYONE opens up those cuts, not just Chuck. Sorry, but if you’re talking about a committed, younger Chuck of three years ago i would agree, but he is not the fighter he was either mentally or physically. Shogun is a middle weight and was being fed to Chuck to help give him a few wins. Let it go man……[/quote]
Did you say Wanderlei is overrated? so what does that make Rampage? cause he got his ass kicked twice by overrated Wandy, explain that. Every fighter gets comfortable when he dominates a division, so he gets caught by Rampage, probably took Jardine lightly that puts him over the hill?
Sad situation for this young fighter,hes trying to make a name in the ufc and the only one he has is on the injury list.
IDIOT. Pull a David Terral and BUCK this fool outta town.
There’s Stephan Bonnar, that’s all I can think of. Easy fight for Liddell, but what else can you do?
HENDO would be good…quick redemption to two high profile losses. Both throw hard looping punches and Hendo has a tough enough chin to take some heat coming in for a take down. HENDO is going going to be the replacement. Plus it’s high profile and will sell unlike ANY of the other availables out there.
Can any1 think of a more must see fight than Chuck against Anderson Silva? If the UFC wants to make BIG MONEY than this should be a no brainer for them. They could charge what ever they wanted & I would pay!!!!!
hmmm, strange considering there are still over 3 months left until the fight to call it off now…idk im just pissed LOL
Please dont throw in a guy like stephan bonnar! The only logical thing to do at this point is to do what they should have done in the first place, rework the contracts and put MACHIDA vs LIDELL! since all of these fights bear a huge decision on the next contender for the title! its a more logical matchup than ortiz, especially if ortiz is on his way out. The only realistic matchups i will consider in a serious fashion for title contendership are:
1. LIDELL vs MACHIDA
2. LIDELL vs THIAGO
3. LIDELL vs ALEXANDER
4. LIDELL vs HENDO
Anything other than that and i would have to think lidell is just being protected by dana! IT MAKES SENSE, AND ITS WHAT THE FANS WANT TO SEE! ~blah
Alexander is nowhere near contention.
Bring in Ricardo Arona.
[quote comment="345222"]Alexander is nowhere near contention.
Bring in Ricardo Arona.[/quote]
-Sure he lost to thiago, but he killed jardine, and jardine did the same to lidell! but most importantly, a houston vs lidell would make for a very exciting knockout. And again, its something the fans want to see!
i say grab ricardo arona right now or victor, you guys are screwed, there isn’t any one left to fight that already will in the coming months, feel sorry for the england fans that all ready bought tickets,
What about Sokoudjou? Is he booked to fight anyone soon?
Does anyone else think this forum is getting annoying with all this guessing? Mania: do your job and get the info!
(only half serious and you know I love you site)
How about Tommy Morrison? Chuck said earlier he wanted to fight him let’s make it happen.
I’m sure out of all the up and comming LHW fights, someone worthy will come out of a fight unscathed and ready to fight Liddell. Too bad Wandys on the card right before it.
[quote comment="345130"][quote comment="345088"][quote comment="345072"][quote comment="345052"][quote comment="344928"]Stephan Bonnar. I think it would be a great opportunity for him and it wouldn’t be a walk-in-the-park like everyone might suspect.[/quote]
Agreed. This would be a good matchup and give us a genuine idea of where Chuck is really at. I think it could be a real 50/50 fight, an absolute bang-fest![/quote]
Where Chuck is really at? So him leaving Wanderlei’s face unrecognizable doesn’t mean any thing to you. You must be in the twilight zone Stephen is nowhere near Chuck’s league[/quote]
Wanderlei is overated and by my count Chuck scraped across the line 2 rounds to one. Wanderlei has serious scaring from years of barefist fights and EVERYONE opens up those cuts, not just Chuck. Sorry, but if you’re talking about a committed, younger Chuck of three years ago i would agree, but he is not the fighter he was either mentally or physically. Shogun is a middle weight and was being fed to Chuck to help give him a few wins. Let it go man……[/quote]
Did you say Wanderlei is overrated? so what does that make Rampage? cause he got his ass kicked twice by overrated Wandy, explain that. Every fighter gets comfortable when he dominates a division, so he gets caught by Rampage, probably took Jardine lightly that puts him over the hill?[/quote]
Shogun is a middleweight? Is that why he was the number one ranked LHW for quite a long time and has a dominant win over Rampage? Bonner would go out in the first round against Chuck and I thought he just pulled out of his upcoming fight do to injury anyways so I doubt he would be the guy to fill in anyways.
[quote comment="345488"]How about Tommy Morrison? Chuck said earlier he wanted to fight him let’s make it happen.[/quote]
HA, Best idea yet!
HOUSTON ALEXANDER period.
[quote comment="344503"]Danni Abaddi[/quote]
Ha, love it!
Seriously though, this sucks!
Can’t believe no one has yet mentioned the long shot (but in reality still a possibility) of Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro Nogueria for the Heavyweight title. Randy won’t fight in the UFC ever again which means that eventually Dana will have to strip him of his title and announce Nogueria as the undisputed champ. But what better way of undisputing the belt than to have the man that KO’ed Couture twice fight Nogueria?!
Id like to see Dan fight Chuck. I am interested to see how Dan’s chin holds up to Chuck’s sledgehammers, as well as maybe see Chuck on the ground with Dan like Rampage? I think this fight has some dimension and marketability.
Besides, its Dans kinda challenge, and its Chucks chance to beat another Pride guy. He likes feeling like UFC was better ha ha.. They are 2 of my top 5 favs and i think it would be a great brawl
[quote comment="345199"]Can any1 think of a more must see fight than Chuck against Anderson Silva? If the UFC wants to make BIG MONEY than this should be a no brainer for them. They could charge what ever they wanted & I would pay!!!!![/quote]
Agreed, this would be the best fight I could imagine, two of my favourite fighters… If it was at 205 I would probably give the edge to iceman with a counterpunch ending the fight but whoever wins it would be awesome. Could be the biggest test yet for the spider
This really causes problems because all of the top L/HW’s are booked up. However the beauty of this being an unoffical page is the fact that not all of the rumoured UFC 84 bouts have been confirmed by UFC.COM.
Therfor they could easily have a juggle up and maybe move Thaigo Silva, Sokoudjou or Rashad Evans.
It makes sense to have Evans tho, would love to see Chuck put him to sleep.
Its very early days but this card is looking a bit weak, a non title fight where there scratching around for an opponant as the main event.
Am a bit concerned because i can’t think of many other big fights/fighters that they could schedule.
Maybe,
Sanchez vs Kos II
Florian (if he wins) vs Huerta
Sylvia vs Mir
Chuck vs. Big Nog
This fight will happen. It’s the only fight that makes sense for either guy. It would be a great fight. There aren’t any heavys that are deserving a title shot and Chuck has talked about fighting CroCop in the past.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/story/2008/3/4/192713/8543
KURT ANGLE? ? ?
[quote comment="345867"]Chuck vs. Big Nog
This fight will happen. It’s the only fight that makes sense for either guy. It would be a great fight. There aren’t any heavys that are deserving a title shot and Chuck has talked about fighting CroCop in the past.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/story/2008/3/4/192713/8543/quote
Fight would make no sense for Nog. Plus Nog would easily submit Liddell like he has done to Henderson, Sylvia ect.
I think a Ken Shamrock vs. Chuck Liddell would be insane!
I guess since Wilson Gouevia is booked, you could throw him (Liddell) Jason Lambert, because when Liddell fought Jardine, Jardine was coming off a loss (as well as Liddell) and the same goes for Lambert.
But more than likely this fight is going to get pulled from the card, and it will be on free TV.
I really say make Nog vs. Mir the main event, since Shogun/Liddell got taken off.
[quote comment="345765"][quote comment="345199"]Can any1 think of a more must see fight than Chuck against Anderson Silva? If the UFC wants to make BIG MONEY than this should be a no brainer for them. They could charge what ever they wanted & I would pay!!!!![/quote]
Agreed, this would be the best fight I could imagine, two of my favourite fighters… If it was at 205 I would probably give the edge to iceman with a counterpunch ending the fight but whoever wins it would be awesome. Could be the biggest test yet for the spider[/quote]
chuck wouldn’t get out of the second round either.
I’d like to see some re-organization of some fights. Two re-matches could have a huge draw on the same card with Hendo vs Wandi and a Jardine vs Liddell. Winner of Jardine vs Liddell faces Machida (if he beats Tito) for the #1 contender spot. If Machida looses vs Tito, then Liddell or Jardine gets to fight the winner of Rampage/Forrest.
[quote post="5213"] dont want to see gouveia(snooze fest). [/quote]
Wilson a snoozefest??? What makes you say that? Besides, he is booked to fight some guy named Goran Reljik or something…
[quote comment="344700"]Doug marshall could be interesting or even Paulo Filho from wec if theres enough time between march 26th and then[/quote]
DOUG MARSHALL? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And Paulo would fight at MW if he was to fight. Yeah, he talked about moving up but he’s like 5′6″ so he’s too short for LHW. Plus, there is no way the UFC would have Filho be the main event of a UFC PPV in his first fight unless it was against the current MW champ. BUt someone needs to beat Andrerson before that can happen because the two of them wouldn’t fight each other.
[quote post="5213"]I would love to see Brandon Vera drop the Fabricio fight and drop down to 205 and fight Liddell.
Wilson Gouevia is a tough dude, he knocked out Jason Lambert with a mean hook, and it would be a very tough fight, a lot more than people think.[/quote]
Vera seems pretty intent on winning the HW belt before dropping to LHW, and the HW division is super weak right now. With a win over Werdum, he is already in position for a shot at the title. What’s he need to do first, beat Herring before a title shot? That shouldn’t be a problem for him…
I have been a fan of Wilson Gouveia since the first time I seen him fight. His upcoming fight with Goran Reljic is completely pointless. The UFC should drop that fight and have Gouviea fight Liddell.
At first I was thinking it had to be Hendo. But now I am second guessing myself. The UFC probably wants him to get more of a “guaranteed win” under his belt, but Hendo vs Chuck may provide to be just that. I’ll tell you one thing, Hendo isn’t one to turn down big fights!
[quote comment="345084"]I have a feeling they are seriously considering Anderson Silva. He mentioned at the post fight conference that he is an employee of the UFC and if they need him to step up a weight class and take on a super fight, he would do it for the company. It leads me to believe that they have at least mentioned it to him. And Dana admitted Spider had cleaned out the division, and in the same breath said he has some very exciting plans for Silva. This, along with the fact that they promised a replacement shortly has me thinking with all the pound for pound talk surrounding Silva, he will be given the chance to prove it.[/quote]
I, like everyone else, would love to see Anderson Silva vs Cuck Liddell at UFC 85. However, UFC 85 is a free event. There is NO WAY that the UFC would give us Liddell/Silva for free – just no way. Also, I got a
QUICK QUESTION: If Anderson Silva does decide to move up to LHW after clearing out the MW division completely, should he get an instant shot at the LHW champ, or should he have to win a fight or two in the division?
For example, if Okami nor anyone else was deserving of a title shot right now in the MW division, and Rampage/Forrest were not booked, and Anderson Silva then decided to move up to LHW – Would his first fight be against Rampage, or would they have him fight someone like Liddell in a #1 contender fight, or would they have him fight someone like a Rashad Evans, then be in a #1 contender fight, and then fight the champ?
Vitor Belfort
[quote comment="344998"]How about an extremely long shot……..The Natural ![/quote]
The ONLY way he’d return is to defend his HW belt.
[quote comment="345737"]Can’t believe no one has yet mentioned the long shot (but in reality still a possibility) of Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro Nogueria for the Heavyweight title. Randy won’t fight in the UFC ever again which means that eventually Dana will have to strip him of his title and announce Nogueria as the undisputed champ. But what better way of undisputing the belt than to have the man that KO’ed Couture twice fight Nogueria?![/quote]
VERY, VERY, VERY interesting idea!!!!!!!
thats ridicolous!
buy i think atleast they have to give chuck a type of opponent that could earn him a title if he beat that guy,coz if chuck beat shogun he’ll be defenetly earn his title shot against the LHW champ.
hendo pls get back up to LHW again
Although an interesting fight, I don’t see how Chuck beating Hendo would put him in a #1 contender spot. Dan needs to at least have a LHW win in the UFC before he can be considered a top contender.
[quote comment="346048"]
QUICK QUESTION: If Anderson Silva does decide to move up to LHW after clearing out the MW division completely, should he get an instant shot at the LHW champ, or should he have to win a fight or two in the division?
For example, if Okami nor anyone else was deserving of a title shot right now in the MW division, and Rampage/Forrest were not booked, and Anderson Silva then decided to move up to LHW – Would his first fight be against Rampage, or would they have him fight someone like Liddell in a #1 contender fight, or would they have him fight someone like a Rashad Evans, then be in a #1 contender fight, and then fight the champ?[/quote]
He should take a top contender to prove he is competitive at that weight class. It wouldn’t be right to skip over the #1 contender in the LHW class. Someone like Chuck perhaps…although that fight doesn’t make a lot of sense for Chuck. If he wins, it’s still easy to dismiss because The Spider, although dominant, is known as a middleweight.
[quote comment="345737"]Can’t believe no one has yet mentioned the long shot (but in reality still a possibility) of Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro Nogueria for the Heavyweight title. Randy won’t fight in the UFC ever again which means that eventually Dana will have to strip him of his title and announce Nogueria as the undisputed champ. But what better way of undisputing the belt than to have the man that KO’ed Couture twice fight Nogueria?![/quote]
Brilliant. The road to LHW title is so cluttered. Plus the “Heavyweight champion of the world” just has a better ring to it. Chuck did destroy the real heavyweight champ (twice). Although if this doesn’t happen I think Mir deserves the title shot against NOG.
~wAyNe
[quote comment="345971"][quote comment="345867"]Chuck vs. Big Nog
This fight will happen. It’s the only fight that makes sense for either guy. It would be a great fight. There aren’t any heavys that are deserving a title shot and Chuck has talked about fighting CroCop in the past.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/story/2008/3/4/192713/8543/quote
Fight would make no sense for Nog. Plus Nog would easily submit Liddell like he has done to Henderson, Sylvia ect.
I think a Ken Shamrock vs. Chuck Liddell would be insane!
I guess since Wilson Gouevia is booked, you could throw him (Liddell) Jason Lambert, because when Liddell fought Jardine, Jardine was coming off a loss (as well as Liddell) and the same goes for Lambert.
But more than likely this fight is going to get pulled from the card, and it will be on free TV.
I really say make Nog vs. Mir the main event, since Shogun/Liddell got taken off.[/quote]
How would a fight with Chuck not make sense for Big Nog? Chuck has a huge following. Not many people stateside know Big Nog. If Big Nog did submit Chuck, it would give him some more notoriety. Also, I don’t think Chuck would get submitted as easily as you think he would. Chuck has some pretty good take down defense.
You think Chuck wouldn’t make sense for Big Nog, but Lambert or Gouevia WOULD make sense for Chuck? Chuck would be stupid if he took either of those fights. Don’t you think Chuck learned his lesson with Jardine?
I think we ought to give up on the idea of Hendo coming back up. He is not gonna just bounce up and down weights that easily.
After reading all these i think the most interesting idea is Big Nog vs Chuck. The heavyweight division is badly in need of a star to sell PPV’s. Nog is not that man… cue replies of all his accomplishments… i know but he is not a big draw in the US.
Liddell’s new opponet will be Thiago Silva.Other than this guy I dont see anybody else.Brandon vera said he will continue to fight as a heavyweight.
[quote comment="346179"]Liddell’s new opponet will be Thiago Silva.Other than this guy I dont see anybody else.Brandon vera said he will continue to fight as a heavyweight.[/quote]
Machida makes perfect sense. He has wins over better competition in the Octagon and he said he wants Chuck. He makes perfect sense.
[quote comment="346048"]QUICK QUESTION: If Anderson Silva does decide to move up to LHW after clearing out the MW division completely, should he get an instant shot at the LHW champ, or should he have to win a fight or two in the division?quote]
Well they gave Hendo an instant title shot for being a PRIDE champion twice. I know the circumstances were a bit different since the MW division had no real #1 contender but it does set a precedent.
[quote comment="344702"][quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….[/quote]
Are you people smoking or are you just plain stup*d? HOW THE HELL can he fight Liddell on JUNE 7the when he fights Rashad on May 24th!???
[quote comment="344544"]wow, that blows.
That’s probably why during UFC 82, they called the event “UFC 85 Chuck Liddell”, there was no mention of Shogun.
GUYS, THERE IS ONLY ONE ELITE 205 LB FIGHTER NOT SCHEDULED TO FIGHT, AND HIS NAME, IS DAN HENDERSON!!!!!![/quote]
Yeah, exactly what the UFC wants…Henderson to get owned 3 times in a row. Not happening Mikey. You doing better after that complete decimation on Saturday? Hendo did worse than Travis frickin Lutter.
[quote comment="346223"][quote comment="344702"][quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….[/quote]
Are you people smoking or are you just plain stup*d? HOW THE HELL can he fight Liddell on JUNE 7the when he fights Rashad on May 24th!???[/quote]
someone is finally realizing that all these fighters are already booked. I think the UFC should bring in Vitor to fight Tito and have Machida fight Chuck. That’s the best situation I can think of.
[quote comment="346166"]I think we ought to give up on the idea of Hendo coming back up. He is not gonna just bounce up and down weights that easily.
After reading all these i think the most interesting idea is Big Nog vs Chuck. The heavyweight division is badly in need of a star to sell PPV’s. Nog is not that man… cue replies of all his accomplishments… i know but he is not a big draw in the US.[/quote]
yeah, but neither was sylvia. and I seriously don’t think the iceman could beat nog in any way, not standing and definitely not on the ground. big nog has actually a great standing game, the only reason he looked bad in the sylvia fight is because he was so much taller than nog, giving him great distance. nog vs iceman would not have the huge difference in height.
[quote comment="346233"][quote comment="346223"][quote comment="344702"][quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….[/quote]
Are you people smoking or are you just plain stup*d? HOW THE HELL can he fight Liddell on JUNE 7the when he fights Rashad on May 24th!???[/quote]
someone is finally realizing that all these fighters are already booked. I think the UFC should bring in Vitor to fight Tito and have Machida fight Chuck. That’s the best situation I can think of.[/quote]
FOR REAL DUDE It’s like some of the people posting here have sh*t for brains, mentioning fighters that are signed to fight already!
Machida is not that good, I really do hope this fight happens sooner or later so Chuck can expose him like Forest did to HOgun.
[quote comment="346269"][quote comment="346233"][quote comment="346223"][quote comment="344702"][quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….[/quote]
Are you people smoking or are you just plain stup*d? HOW THE HELL can he fight Liddell on JUNE 7the when he fights Rashad on May 24th!???[/quote]
FOR REAL DUDE It’s like some of the people posting here have sh*t for brains, mentioning fighters that are signed to fight already![/quote]
It’s because some of the sh*t for brains ppl you referred to here know that not all the bouts that were rumored were made OFFICIAL yet. When it’s not official, there is nothing wrong with wishing the UFC would change their cards. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but there is nothing wrong with wishing it.
I guess its a lot easier to get injured when you’re off the juice.
I guess its a lot easier to get injured when you’re off the juice.
Go Pride!!! Such rigorous testing methods…
[quote comment="346287"][quote comment="346269"][quote comment="346233"][quote comment="346223"][quote comment="344702"][quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….[/quote]
Are you people smoking or are you just plain stup*d? HOW THE HELL can he fight Liddell on JUNE 7the when he fights Rashad on May 24th!???[/quote]
FOR REAL DUDE It’s like some of the people posting here have sh*t for brains, mentioning fighters that are signed to fight already![/quote]
It’s because some of the sh*t for brains ppl you referred to here know that not all the bouts that were rumored were made OFFICIAL yet. When it’s not official, there is nothing wrong with wishing the UFC would change their cards. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but there is nothing wrong with wishing it.[/quote]
Thiago Silva Vs Rashad Evans was signed a long time ago numnuts, it’s old news, as we speak they are training to fight each other.
Tito Ortiz Vs Lyoto Machida
Thiago Silva Vs Rashad Evans
James Ervin Vs Houston Alexander
Matt Hammill Vs Tim Boetsch
Forrest Griffin Vs Rampage Jackson
Keith Jardine Vs Wanderlei Silva
Those are all OFFICIAL.
Sokoudjou might fight Nakamura.
Stephan Bonnar and Shogun are injured.
Who does that leave to fight Liddell? THAT IS THE QUESTION.
Again, lycan and I know what we are talkin about. So, with over 2 months before 10 of the LHW fight at UFC 84, the UFC should break up the Tito/Machida fight because Tito says he doesn’t want to fight Machida and have Machida fight Liddell just 2 weeks later than he was going to have to fight anyways. Scrap Tito on that card and stretch his contract out a little longer and have him fight a big name before he leaves for EliteXC.
Maybe the UFC should just give us 2 names and let us vote on who Chuck should fight. Obviously, plenty of people check these forums out and could easily vote for one of the 2 fighters they could choose. That would be the best way to please the fans in a situation like this.
This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!!
[quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
I agree.
[quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
Half of the names on that list are legit fighters or were legit fighters at the time of those fights. He has beaten everyone put in front of him and that is his JOB as a fighter so for that reason alone he should get a shot at Chuck and I’m saying this as a HUGE Liddell fan.
[quote comment="344520"]Stephan Bonnar would be a great fight[/quote]
what about alister overeem? i remember him giving chuck a helluva fight back in pride. i think overeem just came off a tko win over paul buentello at hw, so i not sure he can still make 205. does anyone else know more adout alister’s sitiuation right now? i kinda thinking it will be belfort as well after the ufc brought back coleman to fight brock. whats randleman up to these days? john where are you? you usually have the best inside stuff going.
I was thinking that him versus Stephan Bonner would be good, not as good as him vs. Shogun, but what you gonna do. Someone had the interesting idea of cro cop, if possible it would be cool to see chuck knock him out. Or if the UFC really wanted some publicity offer a deal with Randy to let him out of his contract after a fight with Lidell. That way UFC sends him out with a loss.
[quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
Must be hard to post with chucks bag in ur mouth
[quote comment="346327"][quote comment="346287"][quote comment="346269"][quote comment="346233"][quote comment="346223"][quote comment="344702"][quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….[/quote]
Are you people smoking or are you just plain stup*d? HOW THE HELL can he fight Liddell on JUNE 7the when he fights Rashad on May 24th!???[/quote]
FOR REAL DUDE It’s like some of the people posting here have sh*t for brains, mentioning fighters that are signed to fight already![/quote]
It’s because some of the sh*t for brains ppl you referred to here know that not all the bouts that were rumored were made OFFICIAL yet. When it’s not official, there is nothing wrong with wishing the UFC would change their cards. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but there is nothing wrong with wishing it.[/quote]
Thiago Silva Vs Rashad Evans was signed a long time ago numnuts, it’s old news, as we speak they are training to fight each other.
Tito Ortiz
Vs Lyoto Machida
Thiago Silva Vs Rashad Evans
James Ervin Vs Houston Alexander
Matt Hammill Vs Tim Boetsch
Forrest Griffin Vs Rampage Jackson
Keith Jardine Vs Wanderlei Silva
Those are all OFFICIAL.
Sokoudjou might fight Nakamura.
Stephan Bonnar and Shogun are injured.
Who does that leave to fight Liddell? THAT IS THE QUESTION.[/quote]
thiago silva vs rashad is not official yet, it’s not on ufc.com and once it’s official I’d agree with you, all I’m saying is that it’s not set in stone just yet, and could change. But I rather have the UFC sign Arona or lil’ nog to fight chuck anyways.
[quote comment="346371"][quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
I agree.[/quote]
seems like a nice resume to me, but he is fighting tito, not chuck…
[quote comment="346338"]Again, lycan and I know what we are talkin about. So, with over 2 months before 10 of the LHW fight at UFC 84, the UFC should break up the Tito/Machida fight because Tito says he doesn’t want to fight Machida and have Machida fight Liddell just 2 weeks later than he was going to have to fight anyways. Scrap Tito on that card and stretch his contract out a little longer and have him fight a big name before he leaves for EliteXC.[/quote]
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This makes the most sense and would be a fight I would like to see. I think machida has a good chance, and that might be why it wont happen as the ufc obviously favors a popular chuck.
[quote comment="346225"][quote comment="344544"]wow, that blows.
That’s probably why during UFC 82, they called the event “UFC 85 Chuck Liddell”, there was no mention of Shogun.
GUYS, THERE IS ONLY ONE ELITE 205 LB FIGHTER NOT SCHEDULED TO FIGHT, AND HIS NAME, IS DAN HENDERSON!!!!!![/quote]
Yeah, exactly what the UFC wants…Henderson to get owned 3 times in a row. Not happening Mikey. You doing better after that complete decimation on Saturday? Hendo did worse than Travis frickin Lutter.[/quote]
First, Liddell has NOTHING to offer that Hendo hasn’t already seen. Quite frankly, I think he’d beat Liddell.
And secondly, yeah, I’m over the loss – only because I was expecting it. If I was setting the odds to that fight, I would have had Anderson at -350 and Hendo at plus 300. Actually, I think Hendo did beter than Lutter. He lasted longer, had Silva on his back for longer, and clearly won round 1. With that said, Anderson Silva dominated that fight once Hendo became a moron and tried to throw a knee from the clinch. But up until that point, the fight was all Hendo.
Also, let me quote MYSELF from a post I made at 9:30 am.
[quote post="5213"]At first I was thinking it had to be Hendo. But now I am second guessing myself. The UFC probably wants him to get more of a “guaranteed win” under his belt, but Hendo vs Chuck may provide to be just that. I’ll tell you one thing, Hendo isn’t one to turn down big fights! [/quote]
[quote comment="346437"][quote comment="346338"]Again, lycan and I know what we are talkin about. So, with over 2 months before 10 of the LHW fight at UFC 84, the UFC should break up the Tito/Machida fight because Tito says he doesn’t want to fight Machida and have Machida fight Liddell just 2 weeks later than he was going to have to fight anyways. Scrap Tito on that card and stretch his contract out a little longer and have him fight a big name before he leaves for EliteXC.[/quote]
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This makes the most sense and would be a fight I would like to see. I think machida has a good chance, and that might be why it wont happen as the ufc obviously favors a popular chuck.[/quote]
glad to see someone else appreciates my genius haha
[quote comment="346048"][quote post="5213"]I would love to see Brandon Vera drop the Fabricio fight and drop down to 205 and fight Liddell.
Wilson Gouevia is a tough dude, he knocked out Jason Lambert with a mean hook, and it would be a very tough fight, a lot more than people think.[/quote]
Vera seems pretty intent on winning the HW belt before dropping to LHW, and the HW division is super weak right now. With a win over Werdum, he is already in position for a shot at the title. What’s he need to do first, beat Herring before a title shot? That shouldn’t be a problem for him…
I have been a fan of Wilson Gouveia since the first time I seen him fight. His upcoming fight with Goran Reljic is completely pointless. The UFC should drop that fight and have Gouviea fight Liddell.
At first I was thinking it had to be Hendo. But now I am second guessing myself. The UFC probably wants him to get more of a “guaranteed win” under his belt, but Hendo vs Chuck may provide to be just that. I’ll tell you one thing, Hendo isn’t one to turn down big fights!
[quote comment="345084"]I have a feeling they are seriously considering Anderson Silva. He mentioned at the post fight conference that he is an employee of the UFC and if they need him to step up a weight class and take on a super fight, he would do it for the company. It leads me to believe that they have at least mentioned it to him. And Dana admitted Spider had cleaned out the division, and in the same breath said he has some very exciting plans for Silva. This, along with the fact that they promised a replacement shortly has me thinking with all the pound for pound talk surrounding Silva, he will be given the chance to prove it.[/quote]
I, like everyone else, would love to see Anderson Silva vs Cuck Liddell at UFC 85. However, UFC 85 is a free event. There is NO WAY that the UFC would give us Liddell/Silva for free – just no way. Also, I got a
QUICK QUESTION: If Anderson Silva does decide to move up to LHW after clearing out the MW division completely, should he get an instant shot at the LHW champ, or should he have to win a fight or two in the division?
For example, if Okami nor anyone else was deserving of a title shot right now in the MW division, and Rampage/Forrest were not booked, and Anderson Silva then decided to move up to LHW – Would his first fight be against Rampage, or would they have him fight someone like Liddell in a #1 contender fight, or would they have him fight someone like a Rashad Evans, then be in a #1 contender fight, and then fight the champ?[/quote]
Does it really matter. He probably walks through all the LH guys anyways.
[quote comment="346372"][quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
Half of the names on that list are legit fighters or were legit fighters at the time of those fights. He has beaten everyone put in front of him and that is his JOB as a fighter so for that reason alone he should get a shot at Chuck and I’m saying this as a HUGE Liddell fan.[/quote]
Ok, yes he’s beatin all the fighters but think about it Penn is nowhere near a 205er and he couldn’t even stop him, Being a Chuck fan yourself do you not think Chuck would destroy Penn? Winning all your fights means nothing, its the names on your resume. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve a shot ever, he just needs to put better names on his record before he turns into a dragon, he’s still a butterfly. And if just winning all your fights is what counts then why don’t we want to see Chuck fight a lesser fighter so he can win? If he’s a good submission guy then he would have more of them than decisions (2 submissions) (7 decisions) and if he’s a good striker then he would have more TKO’s (only 2) so again OVERRATED…. for now, who knows maybe he’ll beat Tito? But I don’t think so, and if he does it will depend how he beats him cause Chuck Ko’d him twice.
[quote comment="346447"][quote comment="346372"][quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
Half of the names on that list are legit fighters or were legit fighters at the time of those fights. He has beaten everyone put in front of him and that is his JOB as a fighter so for that reason alone he should get a shot at Chuck and I’m saying this as a HUGE Liddell fan.[/quote]
Ok, yes he’s beatin all the fighters but think about it Penn is nowhere near a 205er and he couldn’t even stop him, Being a Chuck fan yourself do you not think Chuck would destroy Penn? Winning all your fights means nothing, its the names on your resume. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve a shot ever, he just needs to put better names on his record before he turns into a dragon, he’s still a butterfly. And if just winning all your fights is what counts then why don’t we want to see Chuck fight a lesser fighter so he can win? If he’s a good submission guy then he would have more of them than decisions (2 submissions) (7 decisions) and if he’s a good striker then he would have more TKO’s (only 2) so again OVERRATED…. for now, who knows maybe he’ll beat Tito? But I don’t think so, and if he does it will depend how he beats him cause Chuck Ko’d him twice.[/quote]
I’m kinda saying the same thing you’re saying… I think Machida is a GOOD fighter, not great, but if he gets a shot at better competiton, then he can prove that he is legit… is that a fair assessment?
bring in the sick dog, hector ramirez … liddell will put on a good show.. and who knows maybe we could see the next upset of the year haha
[quote comment="346447"][quote comment="346372"][quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
Half of the names on that list are legit fighters or were legit fighters at the time of those fights. He has beaten everyone put in front of him and that is his JOB as a fighter so for that reason alone he should get a shot at Chuck and I’m saying this as a HUGE Liddell fan.[/quote]
Ok, yes he’s beatin all the fighters but think about it Penn is nowhere near a 205er and he couldn’t even stop him, Being a Chuck fan yourself do you not think Chuck would destroy Penn? Winning all your fights means nothing, its the names on your resume. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve a shot ever, he just needs to put better names on his record before he turns into a dragon, he’s still a butterfly. And if just winning all your fights is what counts then why don’t we want to see Chuck fight a lesser fighter so he can win? If he’s a good submission guy then he would have more of them than decisions (2 submissions) (7 decisions) and if he’s a good striker then he would have more TKO’s (only 2) so again OVERRATED…. for now, who knows maybe he’ll beat Tito? But I don’t think so, and if he does it will depend how he beats him cause Chuck Ko’d him twice.[/quote]
he was a MW when he fought penn. just because someone is in a certain weight class today doesn’t mean they were always at that weight class.
[quote comment="346434"][quote comment="346371"][quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
I agree.[/quote]
seems like a nice resume to me, but he is fighting tito, not chuck…[/quote]
Bonner was a tko(cuts) very domanating preformance, and he will walk through washed up tito
the only legit fighter not booked is Luiz Cane, that would be a bad ass fight Liddel vs Cane
Well it’s just too bad that they already made the Tito/Machida fight at 84 official. I doubt the UFC is going to change any part of that card to accommodate Liddell. No, the UFC has to have a couple of options in mind and pretty close to being finalized if they knew ahead of time and didn’t pull Liddell.
Just sitting here and thinking about it the best options in my mind are:
– Randy Couture. You bury the hatchet a bit with him and he drops down to 205 to fight a fight that still makes sense for him. He has some unfinished business at 205 (lost to Liddell 2 of 3 times) and this would fulfill another fight on his contract and allow him not to put his belt on the line, i.e. risk losing before a possible fight with Fedor
– Vitor Belfort. He’s had talks with the UFC about coming back as recently as January. What better time than to come back now?
– Ricardo Arona. Not currently employed by any promotion it seems…
– Dan Henderson. Thing is I don’t think you can throw Hendo to the wolves for a third time. All he has done since coming to the UFC is fight the best and lose. I don’t think that’s fair to him. I do believe he’s coming back up to 205 (b.c why would he stay at 185 after being dominated by the champ? and plus he never even wanted to drop in the first place) but I think he should get at least two wins against a couple of decent fighters before fighting a big name again.
I just don’t see them throwing Anderson Silva at Liddell right now. They know Silva would crush him and then what? Liddell gets put right back at the starting line and they don’t want that.
Now just a quick side note on Shogun that know one seems to be touching on… I think his career could be over. I mean you see an athlete in any other sport tear their ACL in the same knee twice in such quick succession and they’re done. They’re just never the same after that. And that’s baseball or football. This is MMA. I just don’t see Shogun ever being the same. And no matter what, this has to put him on the shelf for a good year. ACL’s take 8 months AT LEAST to rehab properly. He’s going to have 2 surgeries in about 6 months time. I think he needs at least a year to rehab. Probably another 2 tacked on to get even close to normal again.
[quote comment="345088"][quote comment="345072"][quote comment="345052"][quote comment="344928"]Stephan Bonnar. I think it would be a great opportunity for him and it wouldn’t be a walk-in-the-park like everyone might suspect.[/quote]
Agreed. This would be a good matchup and give us a genuine idea of where Chuck is really at. I think it could be a real 50/50 fight, an absolute bang-fest![/quote]
Where Chuck is really at? So him leaving Wanderlei’s face unrecognizable doesn’t mean any thing to you. You must be in the twilight zone Stephen is nowhere near Chuck’s league[/quote]
Wanderlei is overated and by my count Chuck scraped across the line 2 rounds to one. Wanderlei has serious scaring from years of barefist fights and EVERYONE opens up those cuts, not just Chuck. Sorry, but if you’re talking about a committed, younger Chuck of three years ago i would agree, but he is not the fighter he was either mentally or physically. Shogun is a middle weight and was being fed to Chuck to help give him a few wins. Let it go man……[/quote]
Shogun is a middle weight? He is 6′1″ and 205 lbs 1 inch shorter than chuck and 1 inch taller than Rampage and you say he’s a middle weight? Wanderlei at 5′11″ would be more like a middle weight. I guess you missed the second knockdown when wanderlei knocked chuck on his ass and didn’t finish him he just let him up. I will agree that maybe Chuck isn’t the same fighter mentally because Rampage getting destroyed by Rampage twice will do that to you but physically not much different. Wanderlei I think was very nervous for this fight and I think we will see a much more focused and agressive wanderlei silva this next fight.
[quote comment="344850"][quote comment="344566"][quote comment="344481"]Dan Henderson ?
That would be a great fight, but i think that we are going to see Iceman vs Wilson Goveia.[/quote]
Yea Im pretty sure gouveia called him out at UFC 71 after he beat carmelo marrero.[/quote]
I love Wilson Gouevai, but how do you call out Chuck Liddel after beating Carmelo Marrero? lol gouveai is booked.
Some of you are suggesting that the UFC should pull a fighter from a scheduled fight and have him fight chuck and look for a replacement for the fighter who was booked to fight chuck’s opponent in the 1st place….. Can anyone tell me if the UFC has ever done that before? i dont recall them ever cancelling a scheduled fight to take one of the fighters and book them in a bigger fight. As a fan, that would be great, but realistically I dont know if thats an option.
Anyone know anything about this? Has it ever happened in the UFC?
I wont be surprised if it is Henderson. Hendo didnt take much damage last weekend, he didnt suffer any serious injuries. He would have 3 months to train, and Henderson is all about the big fights, he loves them….and in the UFC from a fans point of view, it still doesnt get any Bigger than Fighting Chuck Liddell.
We already know Henderson is willing to fight Chuck. Proof of this, is that Henderson was introduced to the UFC back when Rampage beat Chuck, and Henderson was announced as the PRIDE champion who wouuld have fought the winner of Liddel/Rampage, so he was willing to fight chuck, but Rampage spoiled it.
Henderson is an older guy, so I dont know if he will taker this fight with a little less than 3 months to train, but then again, hendo is as tough and is as GAME as it gets and hopefully he will step up and save this pay per view.
I am pretty sure that they will find Chuck a very tough and marketable opponent to fight. I say this because the UFC has been loosing lots of money on those European events, which have been less quality than the American events. It looked like UFC 85, Dana was really trying to put together an awesome card for the Englisgh people to finally make some money on a European event. The UFC is in Debt and they are sick of loosin $ in Europe, so I realy expect them to find a Big Name replacement by then.
The UFC got GSP to fight hughes on 1 months notice and although most top 205 ers are booked, 3 months will give the UFC enough Time to get a big name dude to fight Chuck…. they have too!
Get Branden Vera to drop to 205. That would be a great fight
I think that a recovering Shogun was offer to Liddell as an easy win to buil Ice back up to a title contender. Evans, both Silva’s, Suko, and Machida are not gimmie wins and the UFC wants to give him a contender he will easily beat. A win over a non-top 10 fighter makes Chuck’s next title shot questionable.
You know what SUCKS? Most likely rather than see an awesome Chuck Liddell fight, something retarded will happen where they will just decide cancel the phucking fight completely. God I am so phucking sick of this bull$hit.
There is only like 5 /- guys on the roster that isn’t already booked to fight or hurt.
Jason Lambert
Luis Cane
David Heath
Eric Shafer
Do any of these guys look good as a main event fight at UFC85?
[quote comment="344519"]Next one to injure himself will be Ortiz…. He wants nothing to do with Machida[/quote]
ye i dont doubt that one bit specially seens as he was out for a while there with surgery
[quote comment="344965"][quote comment="344944"]ENTER STEPHAN BONNAR. IF HE CAN BEAT CHUCK AND FORREST CAN BEAT JACKSON, WE HAVE GRIFFIN BONNAR 3 FOR 5 ROUNDS[/quote]
Bonnar has only won 2 of his last 4 fights, those 2 wins being in his last 2 fights but he isn’t even being mentioned as a title contender. there is an entire list of fighters i could see fighting for a title before him.[/quote]
Don’t tell me how many fights he’s had and how many he won. EVERYONE is booked. i just think that it would be fun one day we got to see those two fight a 5 round fight for the title. i didn’t ask you to give me a history lesson. God Bless
[quote comment="346803"][quote comment="344965"][quote comment="344944"]ENTER STEPHAN BONNAR. IF HE CAN BEAT CHUCK AND FORREST CAN BEAT JACKSON, WE HAVE GRIFFIN BONNAR 3 FOR 5 ROUNDS[/quote]
Bonnar has only won 2 of his last 4 fights, those 2 wins being in his last 2 fights but he isn’t even being mentioned as a title contender. there is an entire list of fighters i could see fighting for a title before him.[/quote]
Don’t tell me how many fights he’s had and how many he won. EVERYONE is booked. i just think that it would be fun one day we got to see those two fight a 5 round fight for the title. i didn’t ask you to give me a history lesson. God Bless[/quote]
I’m just telling you that it CAN’T happen on June 7th because Stephan Bonnar is HURT! I have said that before but apparently some people are unable to read in order to know the facts. I’m just asking that people back up what they are trying to request.
This is going to be the main event so they need someone that is well known and can be sold as a main event. Stephan Bonnar may be a tough guy and entertaining to watch but he isn’t a main event draw.
I see this going down one of two ways either they get Dan Henderson to move back up, even though that would be a good fight the middleweight division is so thin they need him there. Or who I think is more likely to get the shot is Rashad Evans.
I actually like Rashad I think he is a good fighter who isn’t a dick. I’m just a little worried not sure if he is ready for a striker like the former champ.
The way I see this is to make this fight work as a main event they need a fighter with a main event name. Really there are only two fighters that I can see them putting in with Chuck that have that appeal. One is Dan Henderson however the UFC’s middleweight division is so thin they really need him there. The other is Rashad Evans which makes some sense cause Rashad has headlined a pay per view card before.
I really like Rashad and wish him luck if this happens but I’m not sure if he is ready for a Chuck Liddell yet
[quote comment="346673"]There is only like 5 /- guys on the roster that isn’t already booked to fight or hurt.
Jason Lambert
Luis Cane
David Heath
Eric Shafer
Do any of these guys look good as a main event fight at UFC85?[/quote]
cane
Chuck liddell vs Jeremy horn 3
CALL KEN SHAMROCK….he is always down for an ass kicking
chuck wont fight bonner he’s out for like 6 months to a year he messed his knee up to he wont be ready in june
Tim Boetsch
[quote comment="346233"][quote comment="346223"][quote comment="344702"][quote comment="344487"]Jardine, Houston Alexander, Thiago Silva, Rashad…[/quote]
Yeah,I was thinking Thiago Silva….[/quote]
Are you people smoking or are you just plain stup*d? HOW THE HELL can he fight Liddell on JUNE 7the when he fights Rashad on May 24th!???[/quote]
-You are a big idiot! dont you think we already know that all of these guys are booked, afterall we are on these kinds of blogs pretty frequently!
Our point is simply this, because the shogun /lidell was going to be a huge fight for conterdership, all we are doing is opinionating on who should be reworked to a new contract and fight lidell now!
why on gods green earth would you bring a non UFC contender to fight lidell when the division is stacked with others who deserve the title shot equally! the reason for people bringing up scenario matches like the machidas,jardines,thiago’s,hendo’s etc(yes..yes we know..eventhough they are booked) is simply to narrow down the next in line for a title shot list!
Dont you think dana has the power to rework the contracts if its to the fighters benefits as well if he very well desired to??? i think so….or have you forgotten when matt serra got hurt not too long ago, it forced dana to create an intermin title shot for GSP/hughes
So next time, avoid insulting all the bloggers here because IMO you are the STUPID one for stating the obvious!~blah
I think they will put Liddell against Rashad Evans. I hope they don’t because I have never seen an exciting Evans fight beside the fight against Jason Lambert. I would like undefeated Thiago Silva fight liddel. He trains with Chute Box so you know it will be a stand up war.
I think for all of our sakes and my sanity, we need the UFC to find an opponent and announce it ASAP so we can stop speculating and talk about how bad Chuck is going to beat whoever they throw in front of him.
[quote comment="346430"][quote comment="346350"]This is for all you Machida lovers.
Win-Kengo Watanabe (decision) 2003
Win-Stephen Bonner (decision) 2003
Win-Rich Franklin (tko) 2003
Win-Michael Mcdonald (submission) 2004
Win-Sam Greco (decision) 2004
Win-BJ Penn (decision) 2005
Win-Dimitri Wanderley (tko) 2006
Win-Vernon White (decision) 2006
Win-Sam Hoger (decision) 2007
Win-David Heath (decision) 2007
Win-Kazuhiro Nakamura (decision) 2007
Win-Sokoudjou (submission) 2007
Now tell me what on that resume say’s he deserves a title shot or even a shot at Chuck Liddell? He’s overrated, overhyped and will get exposed. It’s funny how people will believe anything thats put out there. I know he’s a good fighter but Elite don’t think so. If he can put Tito on his resume, in a decisive way then maybe and I mean maybe a fight with Chuck. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE’LL GET EXPOSED BY TITO!!![/quote]
Must be hard to post with chucks bag in ur mouth[/quote]
With a name like (belly of fury) that must mean Machida got you pregnant