Didnt he get the first time the ref held him back?

Illegal upkick, knocks him out but he loses. Kind of weird seing the usually very respectful and professional Anderson Silva go after Okami while the ref was holding him back.

To me it looks like silva was trying to pull his leg over, it doesn’t exactly look like he was trying to kick him.

i dont think anyone at 185 can hang w/ silva right now. i also dont think any at 205 can come down and beat him at 185. there are really only a few lhws that could actually make 185. now that leaves the smaller guys. i think only gsp and b.j. would have a chance to outslick him (is that a term outslick?). the biggest mistake that fighters are still making against silva is that they can take him down and hold him there. not gonna happen. i think yushin will probably make this mistake as well. b.j. and gsp will both know that they wont be the stronger fighter against him and will have to out skill? him. these are big ifs but you never know. look at chonan. he outslicked him imo. i know silva is a much better fighter now, but gsp and b.j. are much better than chonan.

Looks like great strategy for Okami. He should definitely do this again. The only way to beat Anderson Silva: take a knee and invite him to kick your head off.

sick post mania & toga.. looks like a ko to me

btw i also i dont think silva could move up to 205 and be as dominate. i think he could do well but not as dominate at 185

I think that at this point, Okami is the most deserving of a title shot. Thales Leites and Martin Kampmann were moving in that direction before their injuries so hopefully they can come back and make the division a little more interesting.

ANDERSON SILVA IS DANGEROUS MAN!

Okami has a great chance to beat the champ !

[quote comment=”344268″]To me it looks like silva was trying to pull his leg over, it doesn’t exactly look like he was trying to kick him.[/quote]
Nope it was a a stright up shot to his jaw.

i would like to a rematch between Chris the crippler Leben and Patrick the Predator Cote, with the winner getting a shot at Anderson Silva.

[quote comment=”344325″]i would like to a rematch between Chris the crippler Leben and Patrick the Predator Cote, with the winner getting a shot at Anderson Silva.[/quote]
Are we serious here? Did you miss the first fight with Silva vs. Leban? I mean Leban is fun to watch cause he likes to brawl and hits pretty hard but I dont see him lasting any longer than he did in the first one. I think I’d prefer Franklin Silva III over Leban Silva II.

[quote comment=”344321″][quote comment=”344268″]To me it looks like silva was trying to pull his leg over, it doesn’t exactly look like he was trying to kick him.[/quote]
Nope it was a a stright up shot to his jaw.[/quote]

I don’t think Silva denies he was trying to kick him. Silva claims that the rules were not properly explained to him prior to the fight.

Sucks that it is considered a loss!!!!

I challenge anyone to lie flat on your back and try to KO your opponent with an upkick. It sucks because Okami’s actually had his knees on the ground too!!

That is one hell of a KO, whether it is considered illegal or not. The rule is there PRIMARILY to prevent people from KICKING a DOWNED opponent while you are on your feet and he is down(on knee(s))!!!! NOT on your back. But, oh well. I still think it was 1 of the best KO’s PERIOD.

In the spider’s web
chris leban
rich franklin
travis lutter
nate marquardt
Dan Henderson

Silva and Okami would be another great 2 round fight !~

[quote post=”5212″]To me it looks like silva was trying to pull his leg over, it doesn’t exactly look like he was trying to kick him. [/quote]

are you serious

I can’t see the video, but I’ve seen the fight before.

QUICK QUESTION: I don’t know if you can see the referee in the video above, but if so, can anyone tell who it is? HINT: He is from Hawaii

Considering Anderson has beat everyone, Okami is the only one who could possibly be considered here…As long as Silva has the strap, Rich Franklin (who I see as the #2 fighter in this division)has no chance of getting the title…he should change weight classes or go to EliteXC if he wants a shot at a title…I think Silva will probably knee Okami back to his homeland…but you never know…Okami does have a very calculated and strategic style and could very well give Silva some excellent competition.

[quote comment=”344333″][quote comment=”344325″]i would like to a rematch between Chris the crippler Leben and Patrick the Predator Cote, with the winner getting a shot at Anderson Silva.[/quote]
Are we serious here? Did you miss the first fight with Silva vs. Leban? I mean Leban is fun to watch cause he likes to brawl and hits pretty hard but I dont see him lasting any longer than he did in the first one. I think I’d prefer Franklin Silva III over Leban Silva II.[/quote]

I would actually prefer Leben/Silva 2 than Franklin/Silva 3. Rich would be defeated before his training camp even started - Rich knows he can not beat The Spider. Then you have Chris Leben who can take a much better punch than Rich Franklin, which would give him the opportunity to hopefully last a little longer the next time around. He wouldn’t have a chance at winning, but it would be more fun to watch in my estimation.

[quote comment=”344355″]I can’t see the video, but I’ve seen the fight before.

QUICK QUESTION: I don’t know if you can see the referee in the video above, but if so, can anyone tell who it is?

HINT: He is from Hawaii[/quote]

It’s Troy Mandaloniz from the last season of TUF… i started laughing when I saw him

I like the idea of Leben v. Silva II also, but he needs at least 2 more quality wins before he can be given another shot. I’d like to see Leben fight Cote then Okami or Franklin. If he could get through that then a rematch with Silva would be in order. Its a stretch but it could happen. And I think he would have a much better chance the second time, but still quite the long shot.

As far as moving up in weight, I don’t think he should. Unless the talent pool at 205 goes south, Silva should stay at 185 for at least 4 more defenses.

I put this in the Who’s next for Anderson Silva thread, but thought I’d repost it.

What makes Anderson Silva so good are his crisp leg kicks. He can really hurt you with them which will draw you in closer and can then pick you apart with his hands or get you in the clinch. Henderson made a mistake trying to stand with him and it cost him the fight. Everyone wants to prove that their stand up is the best, but no one is smart enough to know it is not. If some people would actually take time to think about how to beat Anderson Silva, it can be done. Okami is a smart fighter, so that’s the only type of fighter left that is probably going to be able to beat Silva, is a smart one.

[quote comment=”344359″][quote comment=”344333″][quote comment=”344325″]i would like to a rematch between Chris the crippler Leben and Patrick the Predator Cote, with the winner getting a shot at Anderson Silva.[/quote]
Are we serious here? Did you miss the first fight with Silva vs. Leban? I mean Leban is fun to watch cause he likes to brawl and hits pretty hard but I dont see him lasting any longer than he did in the first one. I think I’d prefer Franklin Silva III over Leban Silva II.[/quote]

I would actually prefer Leben/Silva 2 than Franklin/Silva 3. Rich would be defeated before his training camp even started - Rich knows he can not beat The Spider. Then you have Chris Leben who can take a much better punch than Rich Franklin, which would give him the opportunity to hopefully last a little longer the next time around. He wouldn’t have a chance at winning, but it would be more fun to watch in my estimation.[/quote]
Chris Leben in no way deserves a title shot…he hasn’t proved or beaten anyone that would make him a contender…this fight would last 10 seconds..Silva is even more of a bad ass then when he fought Leben the first time…NO ONE is going to KO Silva with a strike so Leben’s strikes make no difference..the only way you can beat The Spider is take him to the ground and beat him there..Leben is made out to be alot better then he really is…Leben in my opinon is a joke and will never be a threat to anyone important…I wouldn’t like to see Franklin fight him again but..first fight only went to round 1…second fight went to round 2 so maybe third fight can get to Round 3! I mean hell if he fights him 5 times we can see it go to all five rounds haha Actually I am all for a Silva/Hendo rematch…Hendo easily won first round and just got caught..I think 2nd fight would be better and Hendo could establish the ground game and prove Silva isn’t unbeatable.

THE ODDS JUST CAME OUT ON BETUS.com and there are 3 fights:

Karo -170
Alves plus 140

Fisher -115
Aurelio -115

Lauzon plus 180
Florian -220

I would like to see odds on Nate/Kurt as well. And I REALLY hope that Edgar/Maynard makes its way there because that’s the only fight on this card that I am betting on for sure.

[quote comment=”344382″][quote comment=”344355″]I can’t see the video, but I’ve seen the fight before.

QUICK QUESTION: I don’t know if you can see the referee in the video above, but if so, can anyone tell who it is?

HINT: He is from Hawaii[/quote]

It’s Troy Mandaloniz from the last season of TUF… i started laughing when I saw him[/quote]

CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!

foop has their new top 10 p4p rankings out now if any is interested. i think that it is very good and pretty accurate except i would rank b.j. higher than #9. probably #4 is where i see him. i might switch gsp and silva, but thats a tough one to call.

I do not think that Okami could come close to beating Silva now. This was a long time ago. I also think that people need to stop saying that Silva’s ground game is suspect that all these wrestlers have a shot at beating Silva. When clearly he ends up beating those guys at their own game. I agree that if it wasn’t for Dan going for that Muay thai clinch and trying a knee to the head, it could have been a different fight. I would love to see Wanderlei Silva move down…. Man that would be a fight…….

Shogun Vs. Liddel is now off. Shogun injured his knee again.

Yeah… A. Silva is unbeatable.

Shogun injured will not fight Liddell at UFC 85…

Any speculation on who Liddell’s opponent might be?

how do you guys find this stuff out so fast?

[quote comment=”344418″]foop has their new top 10 p4p rankings out now if any is interested. i think that it is very good and pretty accurate except i would rank b.j. higher than #9. probably #4 is where i see him. i might switch gsp and silva, but thats a tough one to call.[/quote]

I think that Anderson Silva is clearly ahead of GSP in P4P rankings. He has CLEANED OUT his division and finished every single fight within 2 rounds. GSP has yet to successfully defend the WW belt, and several of his previous fights have gone the distance.

Anderson Silva is by far the best P4P fighter on the planet.

We got the inside track.

Oh yeah, AND he lost to Matt Serra. That is like Anderson Silva losing to Gideon Ray.

Okami is the only guy left therefore they will fight next in porbably june or august but rich franklin dominated the stand up against Okami who was extremely slow against silva so i see a butt whoopin again and then he should just retire or be VERY careful in who he fights next and not take fights based on hype or joe silva’s/dana white’s rankings cuz there’s always a chance of getting knocked out or caught in a submission by a “nobodey”…

[quote comment=”344460″]Oh yeah, AND he lost to Matt Serra. That is like Anderson Silva losing to Gideon Ray.[/quote]
agreed

how come anderson didnt get the pride belt after he won the fight.same thing with rampage. did hendo give rampage his 205 belt
if S. Bonner is healthy that might make an intresting match-up.if not UFC has to bring in someone from outside,IMO vitor belfort is probably the best 205er outside the UFC.

[quote comment=”344454″][quote comment=”344418″]foop has their new top 10 p4p rankings out now if any is interested. i think that it is very good and pretty accurate except i would rank b.j. higher than #9. probably #4 is where i see him. i might switch gsp and silva, but thats a tough one to call.[/quote]

I think that Anderson Silva is clearly ahead of GSP in P4P rankings. He has CLEANED OUT his division and finished every single fight within 2 rounds. GSP has yet to successfully defend the WW belt, and several of his previous fights have gone the distance.

Anderson Silva is by far the best P4P fighter on the planet.[/quote]
Agreed. GSP is awesome, but Anderson is at the top of the heap as far as pound for pound goes. I’m pretty sure GSP will defeat Serra, but then he’s got fitch and a few other people at MW that will pose a threat. Also GSP decisions guys like Koscheck, while Silva destroys most everybody he fights.

[quote comment=”344492″]how come anderson didnt get the pride belt after he won the fight.same thing with rampage. did hendo give rampage his 205 belt
if S. Bonner is healthy that might make an intresting match-up.if not UFC has to bring in someone from outside,IMO vitor belfort is probably the best 205er outside the UFC.[/quote]
Maybe because that organization doesn’t exist anymore. Why would you have a belt for a promotion that doesn’t have any fights. The whole Dan is the Pride champion thing was a joke and clearly just a way to market the fight.

Maybe they can talk Vera into dropping to fight Chuck.

Did I miss something? Why did Silva make numerous attempts to go after a near-unconscious Okami even after the referee repeatedly grabbed him and pulled him away?

Okami would be the next best match for Silva……….I think if Franklin wins his next fight it should be (Franklin vs Leben) winner gets winner from silva/ Okami!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Leben can beat Franklin he deserves the title shot!!!!

[quote comment=”344587″]Did I miss something? Why did Silva make numerous attempts to go after a near-unconscious Okami even after the referee repeatedly grabbed him and pulled him away?[/quote]
Because he didn’t understand why the fight would be stopped. He has stated he misunderstood the rules. He knew couldn’t kick or stomp a downed opponent but thought upkicks were allowed from the bottom. I don’t see why this fight wasn’t ruled a no-contest though.

[quote comment=”344678″]Okami would be the next best match for Silva……….I think if Franklin wins his next fight it should be (Franklin vs Leben) winner gets winner from silva/ Okami!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Leben can beat Franklin he deserves the title shot!!!![/quote]

So Leben can get wrecked in seconds again!
And Okami will get NAILED against Silva too. We need fresh MWs SOON

i think okami has a better chance to beat anderson then anyone else at 185. I was at ufc and was able to meet okami he is a really big 185. All that being said i think anderson will win the fight.
I think in ayear we will get to see gsp and anderson.

Despite the fact that some think Okami would be destroyed by the Spider, the truth is he earned his shot, all the marketing elements are there and of course the “you never know” factor. Let’s see it. If Silva beats Okami, we can start talking Cote, Kampmann and Leben.

Just my opinion folks!

Okami is probably the strongest 185 in the UFC so if he can get on top of Silva, he could just pound him out. The only thing is that Okami has to actual get Silva down.

Only one way to solve all of this…. Matt Lindland

exactly!!!!!!!!
dana is such an arrogant fool for not signing him!
they need to get all the top level fighters they can!
and anderson silva needs to fight a lot more top level fighters (Lindland being one of them) before he can be called the best there is! he shouldnt have the title of best there is just because he can beat the same people over and over again

lindland said the ufc has no offer for him so he is gone somewhere else to fight.

Dude that was soooooooo sick

[quote comment=”344981″]exactly!!!!!!!!
dana is such an arrogant fool for not signing him!
they need to get all the top level fighters they can!
and anderson silva needs to fight a lot more top level fighters (Lindland being one of them) before he can be called the best there is! he shouldnt have the title of best there is just because he can beat the same people over and over again[/quote]
the only fighter hes fought more than once in the UFC is Franklin???

i knew it!

This is the only fight left at 185 to happen.

But check out the post fight interview with Anderson

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=VideoPlayer.home&gid=10590

He states “I don’t wanna be troubled with moving up, (in weight) but maybe to move down….”. Give or take a word, now i’m sure he would if he was asked, but that’s not the attitude I like to hear from somebody like him. Somebody that has smashed everyone at they’re weight class should look to challenge themself, and to do so logically one would think move to bigger, not smaller. I hope it’s nothing more than me putting to much emphasize on something he said, otherwise, i’d be disappointed to hear that from someone that has accomplished what he has……

[quote comment=”345173″]This is the only fight left at 185 to happen.

But check out the post fight interview with Anderson

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=VideoPlayer.home&gid=10590

He states “I don’t wanna be troubled with moving up, (in weight) but maybe to move down….”.

Give or take a word, now i’m sure he would if he was asked, but that’s not the attitude I like to hear from somebody like him. Somebody that has smashed everyone at they’re weight class should look to challenge themself, and to do so logically one would think move to bigger, not smaller. I hope it’s nothing more than me putting to much emphasize on something he said, otherwise, i’d be disappointed to hear that from someone that has accomplished what he has……[/quote]

that is a 15lb. cut look at him do you think he can get down that low?

ANderson SIlva deserves an ALL ACCESS special

[quote comment=”344359″][quote comment=”344333″][quote comment=”344325″]i would like to a rematch between Chris the crippler Leben and Patrick the Predator Cote, with the winner getting a shot at Anderson Silva.[/quote]
Are we serious here? Did you miss the first fight with Silva vs. Leban? I mean Leban is fun to watch cause he likes to brawl and hits pretty hard but I dont see him lasting any longer than he did in the first one. I think I’d prefer Franklin Silva III over Leban Silva II.[/quote]

I would actually prefer Leben/Silva 2 than Franklin/Silva 3. Rich would be defeated before his training camp even started - Rich knows he can not beat The Spider. Then you have Chris Leben who can take a much better punch than Rich Franklin, which would give him the opportunity to hopefully last a little longer the next time around. He wouldn’t have a chance at winning, but it would be more fun to watch in my estimation.[/quote]

Did you happen to see how quick the first fight was with Leban. It was like a frieght train running over a rabbit that would not get off the tracks.

“Thunder” is a giant.

In fact Silva claimed that the rules were not properly explained to him and was not aware that up kicks were not allowed.So let see the rematch and i garantee fireworks for this match.
Silva is eager to avenge this disqualification and tired to hear that Okami has a single chance to beat him.

[quote comment=”345707″]ANderson SIlva deserves an ALL ACCESS special[/quote]

Amen! Would be interesting to see first hand his humble beginnings and life in Brasil.

Has anyone mentioned how small Okami looks in this fight. He’s much bigger and stronger now.

[quote comment=”344834″]Okami is probably the strongest 185 in the UFC so if he can get on top of Silva, he could just pound him out. The only thing is that Okami has to actual get Silva down.[/quote]
when Franklin fought Okami he said he thought that Okami was going to be stonger than him,but he wasnt Ace was clearly the stonger fighter.he out worked okami,including surviving a submission attempt by okami.IMO ACE is the strongest 185er

[quote comment=”345555″][quote comment=”345173″]This is the only fight left at 185 to happen.

But check out the post fight interview with Anderson

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=VideoPlayer.home&gid=10590

He states “I don’t wanna be troubled with moving up, (in weight) but maybe to move down….”.

Give or take a word, now i’m sure he would if he was asked, but that’s not the attitude I like to hear from somebody like him. Somebody that has smashed everyone at they’re weight class should look to challenge themself, and to do so logically one would think move to bigger, not smaller. I hope it’s nothing more than me putting to much emphasize on something he said, otherwise, i’d be disappointed to hear that from someone that has accomplished what he has……[/quote]

that is a 15lb. cut look at him do you think he can get down that low?[/quote]
No not really, but that’s not really my point, if you were that dominant in that weight class, why would you rather move down then up? I don’t see where anderson is coming from on that one.

silva may move to 170 to force gsp hughes etc to face him

they can currently legitimately avoid him by refusing to step up in weight if he can make 170 then they are in trouble

GSP is the only guy who stands a chance

judging by the vid okami isnt a real threat thats not a legitimate win

im somewhat suprised okami has had 7 ufc fights hed slipped under my radar somewhat
i recall a few franklin tanner…nothing too memorable to suggest iv somehow lapsed on 5 other fights

watch that video closely and youll see the only time andersson silva is ever likely to be manhandled…(by the ref)

silva has a few more fights at 185 okami bisping…
but then he really needs to go to 205 and carve out a legacy
i believe he will as i doubt hell be happy to relax and get a highlight reel of ko wins over the 185ers who dont really appear to have earnt a fight with him

at 205 there are probably 20 new guys for him to face

i wouldnt chuck him against the champ straight away
there are plenty of journeymen TUFers etc that he could have warmup fights against

he is the greatest pound for pound fighter period but to solidify his reputation he needs several wins at 205 and to get the belt like henderson did in pride

People forget that Silva is a human and can make mistake or a get a lucky punch or whatever during a fight. Every MMA fighters got loses or a bad fight, so do Silva…just look at his record. Okami is still a very young 26 years old fighter and Silva is 33 at the top of his game (and age he won’t get physical better). Time is on the side of Okami, he’ll improve more and more with time. The longer Okami-Silva fight will take to realize, the better chance Okami will have.

P.S. After his illegal kick, Silva kept pushing the referee and try to attack Okami again. Silva is a professional fighter and know that when the referee stop you, you stop. He may not understand the rules but believe me his attempts to attack Okami even after the referee try to push him away many times show that he understand the rules and try to pretend not to by continuing the fight and push the referee. His kick was the result of frustration that Okami was haft guard and pounded on him.

Okami?……Get real. That’s not even an interesting matchup……..there’s nobody left in that division. Silva has to move up or down, to create some new suspense for himself………