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		<title>By: MWA</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/02/26/ufc-middleweight-division-the-thick-and-thin/#comment-331311</link>
		<dc:creator>MWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan Salaverry is back on an upcoming card as well, he has been out of action since his loss last May to Terry Martin (which was crap IMO).  I know he's not a top contender, but he's still a very game opponent who's got volumes of experience, has fought some big names and with a few wins could be right up there in the middleweight division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan Salaverry is back on an upcoming card as well, he has been out of action since his loss last May to Terry Martin (which was crap IMO).  I know he&#8217;s not a top contender, but he&#8217;s still a very game opponent who&#8217;s got volumes of experience, has fought some big names and with a few wins could be right up there in the middleweight division.</p>
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		<title>By: b.w.</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/02/26/ufc-middleweight-division-the-thick-and-thin/#comment-330948</link>
		<dc:creator>b.w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="330543"][quote comment="329489"][quote comment="329356"]This whole Matt Lindland thing is really starting to piss me off.  Top 10 fighters born and raised in America should undoubtedly be in the UFC.  He had an 'illegal' sponsorship logo at a weigh in and they never let him fight in the UFC again.  Lindland vs Silva is a fight that we the fans deserve, Lindland deserves (provided he wins 1-2 fights in UFC first), and Anderson Silva deserves.  Anderson wants to prove that he is the best MW in the world and the way to do that is to constantly beat Top 5 or even Top 10 (in his case) ranked opponents.  Dana's grudges and biases make the UFC talent pool dwindle.[/quote]

WHY DOES IT MATTER IF HE COMES FROM AMERICA OR NOT, THE BEST FIGHTERS SHOULD BE IN THE UFC PERIOD, IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY COME FROM AMERICA OR ANT OTHER COUNTRY[/quote]

The ONLY reason I said that is because the UFC does not have ANY of the top Japanese fighters.  If they did, the LW division would be the greatest division in the history of MMA.  I am also certain that there are many top flight fighters from Brazil that are not in the UFC.  Just look at the young and talented Thales Leites.  I guarantee you that he is not the most talented MW fighter from Brazil.  He just happens to fight in the UFC, and look what he's been able to do.

Given the same opportunity to fight in your home country, or go fight an live overseas and leave your family behind, which would you choose?  I'd choose to fight at home.

[quote comment="330415"]How about Flyod Mayweather making 20 million just to fight at wrestlemania?[/quote]

That is, according to Floyd.  I don't think that he will be making anywhere near that amount of money.  $2 million dollars would have been believable, but not 20.[/quote] youre right about it being around 2 mil. tyson fought at a wrestlrmania w/ dx and got paid 2.5 mil i believe, and he is alot bigger name than mayweather. 2mil to fake fight aint bad though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;330543&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329489&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329356&#8243;]This whole Matt Lindland thing is really starting to piss me off.  Top 10 fighters born and raised in America should undoubtedly be in the UFC.  He had an &#8216;illegal&#8217; sponsorship logo at a weigh in and they never let him fight in the UFC again.  Lindland vs Silva is a fight that we the fans deserve, Lindland deserves (provided he wins 1-2 fights in UFC first), and Anderson Silva deserves.  Anderson wants to prove that he is the best MW in the world and the way to do that is to constantly beat Top 5 or even Top 10 (in his case) ranked opponents.  Dana&#8217;s grudges and biases make the UFC talent pool dwindle.[/quote]</p>
<p>WHY DOES IT MATTER IF HE COMES FROM AMERICA OR NOT, THE BEST FIGHTERS SHOULD BE IN THE UFC PERIOD, IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY COME FROM AMERICA OR ANT OTHER COUNTRY[/quote]</p>
<p>The ONLY reason I said that is because the UFC does not have ANY of the top Japanese fighters.  If they did, the LW division would be the greatest division in the history of MMA.  I am also certain that there are many top flight fighters from Brazil that are not in the UFC.  Just look at the young and talented Thales Leites.  I guarantee you that he is not the most talented MW fighter from Brazil.  He just happens to fight in the UFC, and look what he&#8217;s been able to do.</p>
<p>Given the same opportunity to fight in your home country, or go fight an live overseas and leave your family behind, which would you choose?  I&#8217;d choose to fight at home.</p>
<p>[quote comment=&#8221;330415&#8243;]How about Flyod Mayweather making 20 million just to fight at wrestlemania?[/quote]</p>
<p>That is, according to Floyd.  I don&#8217;t think that he will be making anywhere near that amount of money.  $2 million dollars would have been believable, but not 20.[/quote] youre right about it being around 2 mil. tyson fought at a wrestlrmania w/ dx and got paid 2.5 mil i believe, and he is alot bigger name than mayweather. 2mil to fake fight aint bad though.</p>
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		<title>By: b.w.</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/02/26/ufc-middleweight-division-the-thick-and-thin/#comment-330942</link>
		<dc:creator>b.w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="330390"][quote comment="329811"][quote comment="329700"]I am close to earning my degree in Marketing from one of the most prestigious Universities business school in America. I am not going to get into a big ol' marketing debate on this site because I spend 8 hours a day studying this crap.[/quote]

I'd be stunned if that were true, just based on the stuff you post.[/quote]

Drexel University: Lebow College of Business! Hate all you want, those are the facts![/quote]
congrats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;330390&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329811&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329700&#8243;]I am close to earning my degree in Marketing from one of the most prestigious Universities business school in America. I am not going to get into a big ol&#8217; marketing debate on this site because I spend 8 hours a day studying this crap.[/quote]</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be stunned if that were true, just based on the stuff you post.[/quote]</p>
<p>Drexel University: Lebow College of Business! Hate all you want, those are the facts![/quote]<br />
congrats!</p>
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		<title>By: Parisyan Sucks</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/02/26/ufc-middleweight-division-the-thick-and-thin/#comment-330900</link>
		<dc:creator>Parisyan Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or what i meant was i doubt there will be any sort of fighting in a WWE event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or what i meant was i doubt there will be any sort of fighting in a WWE event.</p>
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		<title>By: Parisyan Sucks</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/02/26/ufc-middleweight-division-the-thick-and-thin/#comment-330898</link>
		<dc:creator>Parisyan Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="330415"]How about Flyod Mayweather making 20 million just to fight at wrestlemania?[/quote]

fight??? in wrestlemania??? seriously doubt that. but that is a nice amount of cash. 

parisyan sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;330415&#8243;]How about Flyod Mayweather making 20 million just to fight at wrestlemania?[/quote]</p>
<p>fight??? in wrestlemania??? seriously doubt that. but that is a nice amount of cash. </p>
<p>parisyan sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="330587"][quote comment="329700"]I am close to earning my degree in Marketing from one of the most prestigious Universities business school in America. I am not going to get into a big ol' marketing debate on this site because I spend 8 hours a day studying this crap.. All I am going to say is with the Pride footage that is now property of the UFC and the fact that he is the only man to have dismantled our current UFC Champion, The UFC marketing team (which is one of the best I have ever seen) would Market a fedor match with such easy.

After fedor's 1st UFC fight, his skills would make him an instant Fan Favorite to the fools that dont know about him yet![/quote]

Johnny boy, I don't know how you do it!  Eight hours a day there and at least 10 hrs a day posting here.  Don't see many articles without your comments. Your dedication to our obsession is admirable, my man.[/quote]

I post so much because I do it while I am in my classes. Thats why I am on here so often. My classes are at least 2 hours long, and we have internet access in every class room here at Drexel. Thats how I am able to blog as often as I do!

My friend, talking about the prestigious school you go to on an MMA thread is a bad idea, you are kind of setting yourself up for disaster. Not that I don't believe you, but it is not the place for it.

If that idiot didnt attck me, I would have never brought it up. In 2 years of blogging on this site that was the 1st time I ever even mentioned it...so Piss off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;330587&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329700&#8243;]I am close to earning my degree in Marketing from one of the most prestigious Universities business school in America. I am not going to get into a big ol&#8217; marketing debate on this site because I spend 8 hours a day studying this crap.. All I am going to say is with the Pride footage that is now property of the UFC and the fact that he is the only man to have dismantled our current UFC Champion, The UFC marketing team (which is one of the best I have ever seen) would Market a fedor match with such easy.</p>
<p>After fedor&#8217;s 1st UFC fight, his skills would make him an instant Fan Favorite to the fools that dont know about him yet![/quote]</p>
<p>Johnny boy, I don&#8217;t know how you do it!  Eight hours a day there and at least 10 hrs a day posting here.  Don&#8217;t see many articles without your comments. Your dedication to our obsession is admirable, my man.[/quote]</p>
<p>I post so much because I do it while I am in my classes. Thats why I am on here so often. My classes are at least 2 hours long, and we have internet access in every class room here at Drexel. Thats how I am able to blog as often as I do!</p>
<p>My friend, talking about the prestigious school you go to on an MMA thread is a bad idea, you are kind of setting yourself up for disaster. Not that I don&#8217;t believe you, but it is not the place for it.</p>
<p>If that idiot didnt attck me, I would have never brought it up. In 2 years of blogging on this site that was the 1st time I ever even mentioned it&#8230;so Piss off!</p>
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		<title>By: TonyDrip</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/02/26/ufc-middleweight-division-the-thick-and-thin/#comment-330785</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyDrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="329515"][quote comment="329432"]I guess we can agree to disagree.  If Dana can afford to pay Brock Lesnar almost 300K when he's 0-0, I can't believe he can't pay a guy like Fedor.  Fedor chose to go elsewhere for more money.  The UFC's making more $$ than the org he went to, so tell me how they can afford it and the UFC can't.[/quote]

I'm guessing you don't have any marketing background.  Lesnar is tremendously marketable, much more than Fedor would be, at least for the first year or two each would spend in the UFC.  And Fedor was supposedly offered well over a million per fight.  If that doesn't show you that the UFC was serious about signing Fedor, I don't know what you want from them.  You may think the UFC should pay ALL their fighters more, but the fact is they offered to make Fedor the highest paid fighter in the world.  That shows respect, not a grudge.

[quote]As far as Fedor being marketable....Huh??  A Fedor vs ummm, let's see....almost any heavyweight in the UFC would  be one of the most marketable fights ever.  The US fans can't wait to see this guy in the UFC.  Now imagine him fighting Randy, Nog, AA or even someone like Brock Lesnar.  If Dana can't promote that, he's in the wrong business.[/quote]

I have news for you: Anderson Silva is the most dominant middleweight fighter the UFC has ever seen.  He's tremendously exciting.  He also doesn't command a fraction of the attention that Chuck Liddell commands, or Randy Couture, or Tito Ortiz.

You claim that "The US fans can't wait to see this guy in the UFC."  You're wrong.  Most US fans haven't even heard of the guy.  Fedor doesn't speak good english, he doesn't have a wildly entertaining fight style, he doesn't talk shit. . . there is very little to market him with besides his dominance.  And dominance doesn't make a person a draw.  Just ask Wladimir Klitschko.

Fedor can be built into a draw over time.  But that means the UFC will have to invest a lot of money into building him up.

[quote]As far as Lindland goes - you say he's been "tarring" the UFC.  Do you wonder why?  Does he go around "tarring" other organizations?  Maybe it's because he and Dana had a disagreement, he was blackballed and Dana badmouths him all the time.[/quote]

And?  Dana's a prick.  But Lindland could have talked nice about the UFC, rather than talk them down and ruin his value to them.

[quote]I'm not a complete Dana Hater because of everything he's done for the sport.  I'm just saying it's completely gone to his head.  He's making poor business decisions based on personal feelings.[/quote]

Again, you're reaching.  Dana talks a lot of shit, and can be a total prick.  But the evidence for Dana's personal feelings interfering with his business decisions begins and ends with Josh Barnett.

Dana made Tito an Ultimate Fighter coach.  And Dana hates Tito to the core.  Shouldn't that answer the questions about whether or not Dana lets emotions interfere with his decisions?[/quote]


Dana....is that you??

Seconds Out &#38; Roy made my points for me.  

You're wrong about my Marketing experience and I'll leave it at that.  Brock Lesnar is marketable to a broader audience because of pro wresting.  Fedor is much more marketable to the MMA fan base and we're the one's paying $49.99 for the PPVs.

It seems obvious that you're either not a true MMA fan or that you're employed by the UFC brass ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;329515&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329432&#8243;]I guess we can agree to disagree.  If Dana can afford to pay Brock Lesnar almost 300K when he&#8217;s 0-0, I can&#8217;t believe he can&#8217;t pay a guy like Fedor.  Fedor chose to go elsewhere for more money.  The UFC&#8217;s making more $$ than the org he went to, so tell me how they can afford it and the UFC can&#8217;t.[/quote]</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing you don&#8217;t have any marketing background.  Lesnar is tremendously marketable, much more than Fedor would be, at least for the first year or two each would spend in the UFC.  And Fedor was supposedly offered well over a million per fight.  If that doesn&#8217;t show you that the UFC was serious about signing Fedor, I don&#8217;t know what you want from them.  You may think the UFC should pay ALL their fighters more, but the fact is they offered to make Fedor the highest paid fighter in the world.  That shows respect, not a grudge.</p>
<p>[quote]As far as Fedor being marketable&#8230;.Huh??  A Fedor vs ummm, let&#8217;s see&#8230;.almost any heavyweight in the UFC would  be one of the most marketable fights ever.  The US fans can&#8217;t wait to see this guy in the UFC.  Now imagine him fighting Randy, Nog, AA or even someone like Brock Lesnar.  If Dana can&#8217;t promote that, he&#8217;s in the wrong business.[/quote]</p>
<p>I have news for you: Anderson Silva is the most dominant middleweight fighter the UFC has ever seen.  He&#8217;s tremendously exciting.  He also doesn&#8217;t command a fraction of the attention that Chuck Liddell commands, or Randy Couture, or Tito Ortiz.</p>
<p>You claim that &#8220;The US fans can&#8217;t wait to see this guy in the UFC.&#8221;  You&#8217;re wrong.  Most US fans haven&#8217;t even heard of the guy.  Fedor doesn&#8217;t speak good english, he doesn&#8217;t have a wildly entertaining fight style, he doesn&#8217;t talk shit. . . there is very little to market him with besides his dominance.  And dominance doesn&#8217;t make a person a draw.  Just ask Wladimir Klitschko.</p>
<p>Fedor can be built into a draw over time.  But that means the UFC will have to invest a lot of money into building him up.</p>
<p>[quote]As far as Lindland goes - you say he&#8217;s been &#8220;tarring&#8221; the UFC.  Do you wonder why?  Does he go around &#8220;tarring&#8221; other organizations?  Maybe it&#8217;s because he and Dana had a disagreement, he was blackballed and Dana badmouths him all the time.[/quote]</p>
<p>And?  Dana&#8217;s a prick.  But Lindland could have talked nice about the UFC, rather than talk them down and ruin his value to them.</p>
<p>[quote]I&#8217;m not a complete Dana Hater because of everything he&#8217;s done for the sport.  I&#8217;m just saying it&#8217;s completely gone to his head.  He&#8217;s making poor business decisions based on personal feelings.[/quote]</p>
<p>Again, you&#8217;re reaching.  Dana talks a lot of shit, and can be a total prick.  But the evidence for Dana&#8217;s personal feelings interfering with his business decisions begins and ends with Josh Barnett.</p>
<p>Dana made Tito an Ultimate Fighter coach.  And Dana hates Tito to the core.  Shouldn&#8217;t that answer the questions about whether or not Dana lets emotions interfere with his decisions?[/quote]</p>
<p>Dana&#8230;.is that you??</p>
<p>Seconds Out &amp; Roy made my points for me.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re wrong about my Marketing experience and I&#8217;ll leave it at that.  Brock Lesnar is marketable to a broader audience because of pro wresting.  Fedor is much more marketable to the MMA fan base and we&#8217;re the one&#8217;s paying $49.99 for the PPVs.</p>
<p>It seems obvious that you&#8217;re either not a true MMA fan or that you&#8217;re employed by the UFC brass <img src='http://mmamania.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: yoububg</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoububg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="330390"][quote comment="329811"][quote comment="329700"]I am close to earning my degree in Marketing from one of the most prestigious Universities business school in America. I am not going to get into a big ol' marketing debate on this site because I spend 8 hours a day studying this crap.[/quote]

I'd be stunned if that were true, just based on the stuff you post.[/quote]

Drexel University: Lebow College of Business! Hate all you want, those are the facts![/quote]

My friend, talking about the prestigious school you go to on an MMA thread is a bad idea, you are kind of setting yourself up for disaster. Not that I don't believe you, but it is not the place for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;330390&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329811&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329700&#8243;]I am close to earning my degree in Marketing from one of the most prestigious Universities business school in America. I am not going to get into a big ol&#8217; marketing debate on this site because I spend 8 hours a day studying this crap.[/quote]</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be stunned if that were true, just based on the stuff you post.[/quote]</p>
<p>Drexel University: Lebow College of Business! Hate all you want, those are the facts![/quote]</p>
<p>My friend, talking about the prestigious school you go to on an MMA thread is a bad idea, you are kind of setting yourself up for disaster. Not that I don&#8217;t believe you, but it is not the place for it.</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="330579"][quote comment="329612"]"I'm guessing you don't have any marketing background. Lesnar is tremendously marketable, much more than Fedor would be, at least for the first year or two each would spend in the UFC. And Fedor was supposedly offered well over a million per fight. If that doesn't show you that the UFC was serious about signing Fedor, I don't know what you want from them. You may think the UFC should pay ALL their fighters more, but the fact is they offered to make Fedor the highest paid fighter in the world. That shows respect, not a grudge."

the only people that think lesnar is more markeable are kids that don't know anything about mma,any true fan of the sport would know that fedor is one of the best and lesnar is a side show more of a freak like alor of you called hung man choi who is popular in japan and marketable there but you all called it a freak show and said fedor not fighting any one.lesnar has wrestleing creds and choi has kickboxing creds but choi lasted longer with one of the best h.w.'s and lesnar could not last more than 90 seconds with a so so fighter who now after one win against a newcomer all of the suddon is back in the mix.lesnar will lose to any decent fighter.[/quote]

Umm,Roy, you pretty much made his point for him.  People know Lesnar's name.  They wanted to see if/how well he could compete.  It was worth the investment spent because they were drawing tremendous numbers and attracting new viewers that wouldn't otherwise be making PPV buys. Some might stick around and become loyal fans or just watch when Lesnar fights next.  Either way, it was good business strategy.  Breaking the bank to hire away fighters from other orgs just for the sake of doing so = bad strategy.[/quote]

i never said lesnar was not marketable just that fedor is more marketable to any true mma fan would know that,if you prefer to watch lesnar over fedor try the wwe or go watch bob sapp fight and don't complain about hung man choi than because it is the same thing side show fights compared top to fighters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;330579&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329612&#8243;]&#8221;I&#8217;m guessing you don&#8217;t have any marketing background. Lesnar is tremendously marketable, much more than Fedor would be, at least for the first year or two each would spend in the UFC. And Fedor was supposedly offered well over a million per fight. If that doesn&#8217;t show you that the UFC was serious about signing Fedor, I don&#8217;t know what you want from them. You may think the UFC should pay ALL their fighters more, but the fact is they offered to make Fedor the highest paid fighter in the world. That shows respect, not a grudge.&#8221;</p>
<p>the only people that think lesnar is more markeable are kids that don&#8217;t know anything about mma,any true fan of the sport would know that fedor is one of the best and lesnar is a side show more of a freak like alor of you called hung man choi who is popular in japan and marketable there but you all called it a freak show and said fedor not fighting any one.lesnar has wrestleing creds and choi has kickboxing creds but choi lasted longer with one of the best h.w.&#8217;s and lesnar could not last more than 90 seconds with a so so fighter who now after one win against a newcomer all of the suddon is back in the mix.lesnar will lose to any decent fighter.[/quote]</p>
<p>Umm,Roy, you pretty much made his point for him.  People know Lesnar&#8217;s name.  They wanted to see if/how well he could compete.  It was worth the investment spent because they were drawing tremendous numbers and attracting new viewers that wouldn&#8217;t otherwise be making PPV buys. Some might stick around and become loyal fans or just watch when Lesnar fights next.  Either way, it was good business strategy.  Breaking the bank to hire away fighters from other orgs just for the sake of doing so = bad strategy.[/quote]</p>
<p>i never said lesnar was not marketable just that fedor is more marketable to any true mma fan would know that,if you prefer to watch lesnar over fedor try the wwe or go watch bob sapp fight and don&#8217;t complain about hung man choi than because it is the same thing side show fights compared top to fighters.</p>
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		<title>By: duece 4</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2008/02/26/ufc-middleweight-division-the-thick-and-thin/#comment-330732</link>
		<dc:creator>duece 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="329412"][quote comment="329392"][quote comment="329367"]Why haven't they signed Lawler and Kang?  How about the fact they were outbid on both of them?  In Kang's case, K-1 offered him TRIPLE what the UFC offered him, and Kang said he liked the offer the UFC gave him.

Somehow, people have seen the stunning growth the UFC has had, and started to assume they can do whatever they want and sign anybody they want.  It flat isn't true: very real monetary competition exists for top fighters.  The UFC can't just buy off every single top fighter, especially the marketable ones: Kang makes more business sense for K-1 than for the UFC, and Lawler makes more sense for EliteXC.

As for Dana's grudges, Dana never lets a grudge get in the way of making money, with the possible exception of Barnett (I have no idea what the deal is with Barnett and the UFC, except I'm certain it goes beyond just a grudge).  Dana hates Tito with a passion, and he responded by making Tito a coach.  Dana's love for money outweighs any personal vendettas.[/quote]

What about Lindland?  What about Fedor - Dana can't afford to pay the #1 Heavyweight in the world?  Tell me Dana can't pay Arlovski?  Now that he's going to leave, his fights don't make the main event?  Dana absolutely lets his personal vendettas get in the way of sound decision making.[/quote]

Lindland would probably be a losing proposition money-wise for the UFC, even if he fought for free.  He's a marketing black hole.  On top of that, he's impossible to work with and has spent the past several years tarring the UFC.  Not signing Lindland makes perfect sense as a business deal, regardless of personal vendettas.  I'd love to have Lindland in the UFC, but he's obviously a bad business bet.

The UFC offered Fedor a ton of money, and he still chose to go elsewhere.  Personal vendettas don't factor in when a guy wants a lot more than he's worth to the UFC.  Fact of the matter is, Fedor's a terrific fighter, but there is zero reason to break the bank for him--he's not marketable beyond his skill.  The UFC wants all the best fighters in the world, but they aren't going to lose money just to make it happen.

Arlovski is worth more to other organizations than to the UFC right now.  He's been put on the undercard to avoid inflating his value before he leaves, to give the UFC a better chance at re-signing him, and reducing the problems he'll cause if he signs somewhere else.  Not particularly nice, but nothing to do with vendettas.

You're mistaking business actions for personal grudges.  Flat out, the UFC doesn't run that way.[/quote]
man fedor didn't turn down the ufc for more money, he turned it down b/c he's like a lot of us patriotic americans, except he's a patriotic russian and there's nothing he loved more than competing in his motherland's greatest sport, combat sambo. Dana white wasn't going to let him compete in the russian national tournament. if Fedor had signed dana's contract, he could only appear at ufc events where dana would be the only person making money off of fedor. Russians are a proud and respectable people, no american is gonna tell a russian what they can and cant do and that's what dana tried to do to fedor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;329412&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329392&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;329367&#8243;]Why haven&#8217;t they signed Lawler and Kang?  How about the fact they were outbid on both of them?  In Kang&#8217;s case, K-1 offered him TRIPLE what the UFC offered him, and Kang said he liked the offer the UFC gave him.</p>
<p>Somehow, people have seen the stunning growth the UFC has had, and started to assume they can do whatever they want and sign anybody they want.  It flat isn&#8217;t true: very real monetary competition exists for top fighters.  The UFC can&#8217;t just buy off every single top fighter, especially the marketable ones: Kang makes more business sense for K-1 than for the UFC, and Lawler makes more sense for EliteXC.</p>
<p>As for Dana&#8217;s grudges, Dana never lets a grudge get in the way of making money, with the possible exception of Barnett (I have no idea what the deal is with Barnett and the UFC, except I&#8217;m certain it goes beyond just a grudge).  Dana hates Tito with a passion, and he responded by making Tito a coach.  Dana&#8217;s love for money outweighs any personal vendettas.[/quote]</p>
<p>What about Lindland?  What about Fedor - Dana can&#8217;t afford to pay the #1 Heavyweight in the world?  Tell me Dana can&#8217;t pay Arlovski?  Now that he&#8217;s going to leave, his fights don&#8217;t make the main event?  Dana absolutely lets his personal vendettas get in the way of sound decision making.[/quote]</p>
<p>Lindland would probably be a losing proposition money-wise for the UFC, even if he fought for free.  He&#8217;s a marketing black hole.  On top of that, he&#8217;s impossible to work with and has spent the past several years tarring the UFC.  Not signing Lindland makes perfect sense as a business deal, regardless of personal vendettas.  I&#8217;d love to have Lindland in the UFC, but he&#8217;s obviously a bad business bet.</p>
<p>The UFC offered Fedor a ton of money, and he still chose to go elsewhere.  Personal vendettas don&#8217;t factor in when a guy wants a lot more than he&#8217;s worth to the UFC.  Fact of the matter is, Fedor&#8217;s a terrific fighter, but there is zero reason to break the bank for him&#8211;he&#8217;s not marketable beyond his skill.  The UFC wants all the best fighters in the world, but they aren&#8217;t going to lose money just to make it happen.</p>
<p>Arlovski is worth more to other organizations than to the UFC right now.  He&#8217;s been put on the undercard to avoid inflating his value before he leaves, to give the UFC a better chance at re-signing him, and reducing the problems he&#8217;ll cause if he signs somewhere else.  Not particularly nice, but nothing to do with vendettas.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re mistaking business actions for personal grudges.  Flat out, the UFC doesn&#8217;t run that way.[/quote]<br />
man fedor didn&#8217;t turn down the ufc for more money, he turned it down b/c he&#8217;s like a lot of us patriotic americans, except he&#8217;s a patriotic russian and there&#8217;s nothing he loved more than competing in his motherland&#8217;s greatest sport, combat sambo. Dana white wasn&#8217;t going to let him compete in the russian national tournament. if Fedor had signed dana&#8217;s contract, he could only appear at ufc events where dana would be the only person making money off of fedor. Russians are a proud and respectable people, no american is gonna tell a russian what they can and cant do and that&#8217;s what dana tried to do to fedor</p>
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